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[00:04:49] The Big Game is on air,
[00:04:53] a couple of days have passed since
[00:04:56] the BRICS session, the summit,
[00:05:01] I think we can already try to sum up the results,
[00:05:05] and no one can do it better than Andrey
[00:05:08] Ivanovich, a senator for many
[00:05:12] years.
[00:05:43] an international event, an event of global scale, and
[00:05:46] an event that will have its consequences, in any case, this
[00:05:50] follows from the statements that were made at the summit, and from
[00:05:54] the document that was adopted, I draw attention to the fact that it was adopted,
[00:05:57] of course, not without difficulty, and this is always the case, it was
[00:06:01] reported somewhere that until 4:00
[00:06:03] AM,
[00:06:05] specialists argued about the provisions, this
[00:06:09] is a very voluminous document, but explain?
[00:06:35] Iran and the United Arab Emirates, this
[00:06:38] was done, which strike each
[00:06:40] other. In the case
[00:07:43] of existing friction between them, I used a very mild word,
[00:07:46] the general climate of the summit did not
[00:07:50] spoil it, did not poison it, did not, as
[00:07:53] they say, lead away from any main
[00:07:57] discussions, statements, I must say
[00:07:59] that yesterday in your program a very
[00:08:03] detailed, in my opinion, deep analysis
[00:08:07] of what is happening in the expert
[00:08:10] community, in the world press, by the way,
[00:08:12] was given. I won't retell it,
[00:08:16] I'll note, well, maybe some points that caught my eye,
[00:08:19] firstly, a respectful tone towards the summit, if earlier
[00:08:22] Western observers
[00:08:26] somehow tried with some, well, not
[00:08:29] disdain, but with some kind of, you know,
[00:08:32] condescension, let's say that, to speak
[00:08:35] about BRICS, now in
[00:08:38] Western mass media, this
[00:08:41] note, well... it kind of still
[00:08:43] went away, at a minimum - it's an
[00:08:47] objective such just coverage of what
[00:08:50] is happening, so, and for the most part
[00:08:54] it's still such a serious analysis precisely regarding far-
[00:08:57] reaching consequences. At such
[00:09:00] summits, documents
[00:09:03] are developed, adopted, discussions take place, statements are made,
[00:09:07] here I would note that regarding the statements of our
[00:09:10] leader, well... I must say, they were distinguished,
[00:09:14] among other things, excuse me for such phrasing,
[00:09:17] but also by literary perfection, and not only by their
[00:09:21] political, so to speak, charge, it's no accident that our
[00:09:25] president was even applauded in places, although generally, at
[00:09:28] such summits, frankly speaking, it's not very
[00:09:31] common, our positions were expressed,
[00:09:35] positions expressed quite decisively, they
[00:09:38] are known in favor
[00:09:41] of... action with a wide range of countries on
[00:09:45] the basis of principles, but if we reduce them to
[00:09:48] such a maximally compressed form, on the principles
[00:09:51] of equality
[00:09:53] and justice. Our proposals
[00:09:56] were included in the final document, these
[00:09:59] proposals are purely business-like, by the way, they were also submitted
[00:10:03] earlier, we are working them out, repeating them, offering them to partners,
[00:10:07] this is the creation
[00:10:10] of a clearing
[00:10:25] this is a grain exchange, well, to this
[00:10:28] were added detailed proposals for a joint
[00:10:31] investment platform and a whole
[00:10:34] host of other, I repeat, concrete proposals, which, apparently, will be
[00:10:38] worked out further, I always pay attention
[00:10:41] to
[00:10:44] the verbal formulations,
[00:10:46] definitions of Chinese leaders, because there were
[00:10:50] no accidental words in Xi Jinping's speeches at such
[00:10:54] forums.
[00:12:25] for a long time, that is, changes are not just
[00:12:28] happening, they are also accelerating,
[00:12:32] well, I remembered his wording about
[00:12:35] the fact that the trend towards multipolarity is becoming
[00:12:38] unstoppable, this, by the way, echoes
[00:12:42] the statements of our president, with
[00:12:44] comments on this matter by the Minister of Foreign Affairs that
[00:12:48] the movement towards multipolarity
[00:12:52] is indeed irreversible, well, and...
[00:13:55] already considered it necessary to continue the dialogue, I consider it very
[00:13:58] important, by the way, I would like to draw attention
[00:14:01] to the fact that usually they don't
[00:14:04] write about it or report it dryly in three
[00:14:08] words, but recently Kazakhstan celebrated
[00:14:11] the thirty-fifth anniversary of independent development, among
[00:14:15] those who congratulated the President of Kazakhstan was
[00:14:18] Donald Trump, President of the United States of America, this
[00:14:22] time Donald Trump's congratulations sounded very... not
[00:14:25] шаблонно, very untraditional, very, I would
[00:14:27] say, weighty and respectful towards the President of the Republic
[00:14:31] of Kazakhstan, whom he undoubtedly
[00:14:35] deserves, in a
[00:14:37] word,
[00:14:40] Kazakhstan is among the top three countries along with
[00:14:44] China and India, which
[00:14:47] conduct with our president, well, as it
[00:14:50] seems to me, the deepest and frankest dialogue, including
[00:14:54] on... issues of Ukraine,
[00:14:57] well, regarding Ukraine, here I must say,
[00:15:00] it's noteworthy, not what was in
[00:15:04] the joint statement about Ukraine, but that there was
[00:15:07] nothing, uh-huh, and as I understand,
[00:15:11] according to my sources, who knew what was
[00:15:13] happening there, there was no attempt to even
[00:15:17] drag Ukraine into this document, but what there
[00:15:21] was was unanimous
[00:15:24] condemnation. I am a supporter of sanctions, and
[00:15:27] not only that, I would even correct you to some extent
[00:15:30] here, and it seems to me that
[00:15:33] still, even if not directly, but indirectly, something...
[00:17:55] four states, Japan, Germany, Brazil, and India, we support
[00:17:58] Brazil and India, we believe that these countries have
[00:18:01] every reason to join the permanent
[00:18:05] members, as for Japan and... Germany, well, we won't
[00:18:09] go into it now, the main thing here is not how we treat them
[00:18:12] and what happens with other, let's say,
[00:18:16] plots, but the fact that
[00:18:19] it will in no way enrich the composition
[00:18:22] of permanent members, there are already England and France, there are
[00:18:26] the United States of America, these will simply be two more
[00:18:29] votes that will simply numerically strengthen the platform
[00:18:33] that already prevails in the Security Council
[00:18:36] at the moment.
[00:18:49] China, frankly speaking, had a rather restrained attitude
[00:18:53] towards inviting India to join the permanent members
[00:18:56] for understandable reasons, there are some purely
[00:18:59] bilateral, let's say,
[00:19:01] так
[00:19:03] frictions, everyone knows about them, we won't dwell on that now.
[00:19:19] India and Brazil, this is also generally
[00:19:22] a certain step, I
[00:19:25] repeat, on a specific issue, but a very important one. As for
[00:19:28] Japan, it is of course now a country unfriendly
[00:19:31] to Russia, actively unfriendly, but at
[00:19:35] least it is not located.
[00:20:09] and I would even say, the organizers of what
[00:20:12] the Nazi, non-Nazi Zelensky regime is doing,
[00:20:15] I think it was simply a mockery of the main
[00:20:19] mission, of
[00:20:22] the image of the United Nations, and I am sure that
[00:20:26] this will not happen, do you agree that this will not happen, well, at least
[00:20:30] in the foreseeable future, it is quite obvious that we will be against it,
[00:20:34] in fact, everything is much, maybe even deeper, but this, by the way, I noticed
[00:20:38] in one of the articles by such a
[00:20:41] German parliamentarian, I think, a member of the European Parliament with
[00:20:44] a very characteristic surname Von Schulenburg,
[00:20:48] apparently a relative of that same Schulenburg.
[00:22:50] that we finished the war in Berlin, and
[00:22:54] it's useful for them to remember that when they led a coalition
[00:22:58] against us of almost all of Europe, at least
[00:23:01] continental Europe, it's useful for them to remember that
[00:23:05] the Soviet Union was, well, not entirely
[00:23:07] alone, but almost alone with Mongolia,
[00:23:11] nevertheless, this in no way stopped us
[00:23:15] from standing firm and winning, this
[00:23:18] feeling.
[00:24:20] we allowed ourselves to strike at
[00:24:23] a locomotive that was standing at
[00:24:26] a station
[00:24:28] where an hour and a half earlier
[00:24:32] there was
[00:24:34] a train with Boris Johnson and other
[00:24:38] individuals who were attending some security conference
[00:24:41] in Kyiv, which they for some reason
[00:24:43] called,
[00:24:45] and imagine, we went and struck the
[00:24:48] locomotive. just an hour and a
[00:24:52] half after Boris Johnson
[00:24:54] was there, well, imagine the indignation
[00:24:58] this causes in NATO circles, especially for Mr.
[00:25:01] Johnson himself. Well, yes, David
[00:25:04] Petraeus was also there, who also
[00:25:08] delivered an angry tirade about this being
[00:25:12] a crime, this is
[00:25:15] a completely inhumane strike against
[00:25:17] diplomatic representatives, I must say that, in general, from my point
[00:25:21] of view, it was high time for us to stop
[00:25:25] this diplomatic tourism, but we could have started at
[00:25:28] the Kyiv train station, but
[00:25:31] I also want to say that if the target of our
[00:25:35] strikes was this diplomatic, so-called
[00:25:38] train with Johnson,
[00:25:41] Petraeus, there were several other characters, I assure
[00:25:44] you that this train would not be here today, just as Johnson
[00:25:48] and Petraeus would not be. and so on, the target
[00:25:52] was the locomotive, it's very good that we
[00:25:55] continue to strike precisely at the
[00:25:58] rolling stock of the Ukrainian railway
[00:26:01] infrastructure, well, I think we've more or less
[00:26:05] figured it out, especially since rails are restored quite
[00:26:09] quickly, that's literally a matter of, well, not days,
[00:26:12] but weeks, so
[00:26:15] rolling stock and bridges - that's certainly more serious, we've already
[00:26:18] knocked out over 200 locomotives, that's a third
[00:26:22] of the existing fleet, restoring it is extremely
[00:26:26] difficult, well,
[00:26:28] firstly,
[00:26:30] you can't just take Western
[00:26:34] locomotives and transfer them due to the different
[00:26:37] gauge, so you need to order them, ordering
[00:26:41] takes a long time, it's expensive, Ukraine isn't doing very
[00:26:44] well with money, even with Western aid,
[00:26:48] so it's very good that
[00:26:51] it's very good that we started hitting locomotives
[00:26:55] near the Polish border, I must say that
[00:26:58] we are already in
[00:27:01] of strikes on Black Sea infrastructure,
[00:27:05] when Ukrainians, well, they
[00:27:08] are trying and doing it, redirecting
[00:27:11] agricultural exports, partially metallurgical
[00:27:15] to Danube ports, so that
[00:27:18] from there everything is redirected to the Romanian port
[00:27:22] Constanta and from there to the external
[00:27:26] market, we started hitting
[00:27:30] Danube ...
[00:28:02] something would fly into Polish territory, but let them
[00:28:05] strain, especially since today they announced that they
[00:28:08] will now raise aviation, shoot down
[00:28:12] all their patriots will mobilize to shoot down everything that
[00:28:15] flies into Polish airspace, well, let them shoot down, I
[00:28:19] think if something accidentally flies in, well, let them
[00:28:22] train,
[00:28:24] as for locomotives, this is all in line, I must say,
[00:28:28] regarding maritime topics,
[00:28:33] now our
[00:28:35] strikes have shifted to port infrastructure,
[00:28:38] infrastructure that we have generally dealt with quite
[00:28:41] thoroughly, especially in Odesa, there are
[00:28:43] storage facilities, various, so
[00:28:47] to speak, capacities, loading
[00:28:50] capacities, now we have started to
[00:28:54] hit more ships, since
[00:28:56] July 11th, July 11th, we started and practically
[00:29:00] on a daily basis, our
[00:29:03] armed forces strike ships, the
[00:29:07] container ships, grain carriers, bulk carriers,
[00:29:10] everything is different there,
[00:29:13] plus boats, tugboats that
[00:29:16] accompany ships to port,
[00:29:20] over the last month, well, approximately 80
[00:29:23] strikes have been carried out on ships of various
[00:29:27] classes, 50 of them on ships that
[00:29:30] were already berthed in the port, and
[00:29:33] 30 that were in the port area,
[00:29:36] these are certainly not fantastic figures, but
[00:29:40] it's enough for our goal,
[00:29:43] especially since we use fourth- generation Geran drones, Geran 4-5
[00:29:47] reactive ones,
[00:29:51] their warhead is 90 kg, of course,
[00:29:54] you can't sink a cargo
[00:29:58] ship with a displacement of tens of thousands of tons with Geran drones, but
[00:30:01] in my opinion...
[00:31:15] the intensity of strikes on port
[00:31:18] infrastructure and ships, I think we will easily
[00:31:21] do this, returning to the railway,
[00:31:24] I am absolutely sure that we will methodically
[00:31:28] try to knock out the locomotive fleet. This
[00:31:31] is what Dmitry Peskov said regarding numerous Western
[00:31:35] calls not to act as we did with this
[00:31:39] poor locomotive, Peskov's statement was very short,
[00:31:42] but there's nothing more to add here.
[00:31:47] If I understand correctly, we are talking about the territory of Ukraine, our military
[00:31:51] are performing their tasks throughout Ukraine and will continue to
[00:31:54] do so. You mentioned General
[00:31:56] Petraeus, I have a
[00:32:00] photo at home where I am standing with Henry
[00:32:03] Kissinger, presenting
[00:32:06] Petraeus with an award, a prize,
[00:32:09] which was awarded to him by the board
[00:32:12] of directors of the Center for National Interest.
[00:33:05] as Nixon's successor, but then a
[00:33:08] girl let him down, you're not offended, that's
[00:33:12] how it is with girls, they just
[00:33:15] let you down, sometimes, sometimes they uplift you, sometimes
[00:33:18] they let you down, although Petraeus mostly let himself
[00:33:21] down, he always traveled as CIA
[00:33:24] director with a girl, the girl was
[00:33:28] a journalist, writing his
[00:33:29] biography,
[00:33:32] he shared classified information with her, in
[00:33:36] order to, as it were, help her write his
[00:33:39] biography better, but then it turned out that he shared with her not
[00:33:42] only that and that she... they had an affair,
[00:33:46] well, Petraeus had to leave
[00:33:49] the CIA, not because of the girl, but for
[00:33:52] disclosing classified information, and
[00:33:55] of course, he could no longer think about running
[00:33:58] for president, at least then,
[00:34:02] but he is such a decisive person, he doesn't give up easily, and he started
[00:34:06] thinking, why not run in the next presidential
[00:34:10] elections already in 2016,
[00:34:12] but then already... the leading
[00:34:16] candidate was becoming Donald
[00:34:19] Trump, who then took the position of an instinctive
[00:34:22] realist, vehemently exposing liberal
[00:34:26] hegemony, invasions of some foreign countries, and Petraeus
[00:34:30] then, he was surrounded
[00:34:32] by neoconservatives, and he began to
[00:34:35] position himself as
[00:34:37] an alternative
[00:34:39] to Donald Trump, that's how his neoconservative
[00:34:43] career began, of course. He didn't become any kind of candidate, much
[00:34:46] less president, but since then he has
[00:34:49] joined the neoconservative political
[00:34:53] machine, this time it was his
[00:34:56] eleventh trip to Kyiv, and I must
[00:34:59] say, I'm just
[00:35:02] embarrassed for him, because he is certainly not
[00:35:05] a stupid person, a person with some real achievements
[00:35:09] in the past, now he sounds, well,
[00:35:13] you know, not like an analyst, not like a statesman,
[00:35:16] but like a Kyiv
[00:35:19] lobbyist and propagandist, I don't know
[00:35:22] if he gets paid for it, I, at least, am absolutely not
[00:35:26] ready to make such accusations, but I believe that he is simply
[00:35:29] disgracing his good name in
[00:35:31] history, and he is already well over 70, although he
[00:35:35] is a very vigorous person, but at this age I am also
[00:35:39] well over 70, but sometimes one has to think about meeting with
[00:35:42] God, you know, I must say: this often
[00:35:46] happens with retired generals, who at
[00:35:49] first are sensible,
[00:35:52] understand everything and reason, but as soon as they, so
[00:35:55] to speak, retire, they start talking absolute
[00:35:59] nonsense, some, I, well, not many, but some I
[00:36:03] knew, well, in particular, Ben Hodges always
[00:36:06] gave me the impression of being quite sensible, but what he
[00:36:09] is saying now, of course, Ben Hodges, is
[00:36:12] former.
[00:36:15] but he sounds now like just a malicious idiot, no, he just sometimes
[00:36:19] says, he, I think, can even outdo
[00:36:22] Sikorski, who just - the day before yesterday,
[00:36:25] I think, made some completely, either he really drank too much, or
[00:36:29] I don't know what, he said that Poland has decisive superiority over Russia
[00:36:33] in the air, yes, in the air and
[00:36:36] Poland will destroy, so to speak, what is left of
[00:36:40] our MPRs, after Ukraine destroyed half in
[00:36:43] 6 months, then Poland in 6 weeks
[00:36:47] will destroy the rest, with what, when,
[00:36:50] it's unclear, even in the West, I think no one understood what he
[00:36:54] said, so Hodges, I think, is from the same cohort.
[00:37:28] but mostly, I think, with each other, we're going to a
[00:37:30] commercial,
[00:37:36] Alexander Antonovich, senior
[00:37:39] sergeant of the airborne troops, UAV
[00:37:42] operator, how much damage have you inflicted on the enemy in
[00:37:45] money? Well, it's something over 70 million dollars,
[00:37:49] could you have imagined that this would become an instrument of a new type
[00:37:53] of war, more than 500 combat sorties have been carried out, this is on
[00:37:56] radio drones and...
[00:37:59] I have a principle in my head that I will not work on civilians, on
[00:38:03] women, on children, we have exclusively military targets, my grandfather flew over NATO
[00:38:07] countries in a plane, and you burn NATO equipment
[00:38:10] flying on fiber optics, paratroopers are always
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[00:40:59] Maria Vladimirovna, Ukraine, of course, in the West, is presented
[00:41:03] as a beacon of democracy and as, naturally, a victim,
[00:41:06] an innocent victim of Russian aggression,
[00:41:10] but when I look at the statements of politicians, including
[00:41:14] those who very recently worked for Zelensky, in prominent
[00:41:17] positions, those who supported him in
[00:41:21] the Ukrainian Rada, they openly say that
[00:41:25] it was Zelensky who started corruption, that
[00:41:28] it was Zelensky who was losing the war, that
[00:41:31] it was Zelensky who was trampling democracy,
[00:41:35] is this mouse wrangling or some
[00:41:38] serious opposition movement?
[00:41:41] Well, on the one hand, dear Dmitry, I have said many
[00:41:45] times that for the Ukrainian state,
[00:41:48] if it suddenly at some point, at some point turns out to be truly
[00:41:52] genuinely sovereign, since it has no other
[00:41:55] statehood, the only natural state is
[00:41:59] ruin, such an endless wedding in Malinovka, my favorite
[00:42:02] in childhood, a film that I think many of us love and appreciate,
[00:42:06] and it's clear that, you know, when I...
[00:42:10] was a little younger, I didn't really believe
[00:42:13] that there were some initially prescribed
[00:42:17] national myths, archetypes, and traditions. I always thought
[00:42:20] that you could always forge a new person, some
[00:42:24] other person, and especially another
[00:42:27] nation. But now, having become a little wiser, I understand
[00:42:31] that Russia, no matter what they do to it, still returns to those traditional
[00:42:34] rails, patterns, national myths,
[00:42:37] archetypes that are inherent to us. And China, exactly
[00:42:41] the same way, whatever revolutions happened to
[00:42:45] it throughout the 20th century, it still returns to the good old Chinese
[00:42:48] empire. And it's the same with Ukraine. It really
[00:42:52] constantly turns into this ruin, into endless squabbles
[00:42:56] among elites, bandits, and so on, because if you look at what's actually
[00:43:00] happening, the escape across the Lithuanian
[00:43:03] border, across the Polish border, of course,
[00:43:05] of the Prosecutor General. The discovery
[00:43:09] happened. What happened was the discovery in the safe of this very
[00:43:12] Prosecutor General at work, attention, at work, a safe probably my height,
[00:43:16] of bundles of dollars and euros. I can't
[00:43:20] tell by eye, I'm just not an expert, how much is there, but I think it's quite
[00:43:23] a lot. And it's even unclear why he needed so many bundles of
[00:43:27] dollars and euros at work as the Prosecutor General. In turn, the accusation
[00:43:30] of the Prosecutor General,
[00:43:34] the head of the National Anti-Corruption Committee,
[00:43:37] NABU, is that he was actually the one who...
[00:44:40] I cannot say that those
[00:44:43] sociological studies that are there now are
[00:44:47] sufficiently accurate, academic, but simply because
[00:44:50] a warring state in chaos, which does not control,
[00:44:54] as it were, many things, for example, it does not control its men who
[00:44:57] went to the front, who simply cannot be objectively
[00:45:01] surveyed, or does not control its citizens abroad,
[00:45:04] can it somehow claim to have some effective, some
[00:45:08] truthful sociology, but... at the same time, we understand
[00:45:11] that Zelensky's rating is very low. Well, after all, this
[00:45:15] man started the war, this man cannot end it,
[00:45:19] this is how they, to think
[00:45:21] that the citizens of Ukraine want the war to continue, of course
[00:45:25] we cannot, there are also some polls, about
[00:45:28] that these citizens are quite well, well, any person on earth
[00:45:32] wants peace, always, always.
[00:45:35] Many are already saying, well, okay, let's leave those lands to the Russians, but...
[00:46:30] And I will tell you that our benefit lies in prolonging any chaos as much as possible, let them fight
[00:46:34] among themselves, let them have a lot, it's chaos they create themselves, not us, this
[00:46:38] chaos they create themselves.
[00:46:52] If you wish, if, for example, Budanov,
[00:46:56] or Fedorov, or Zaluzhny, or some other extremist
[00:46:59] and terrorist comes to power, of course,
[00:47:03] and he is called a terrorist not, in general and
[00:47:07] on the whole, but because he organized
[00:47:10] terrorist acts in Moscow, including, as I
[00:47:13] understand, a terrorist act against our regular participant, he will be with
[00:47:17] us this week, Alexander Dugin, as a result
[00:47:20] of which his daughter died.
[00:47:23] Yes, as a result of which a very talented, young
[00:47:26] political scientist and philosopher died, who, of course, well, even now when I go to the
[00:47:30] philosophy faculty, everyone says that Dasha had a perfectly
[00:47:34] brilliant dissertation on Plato, which she
[00:47:37] unfortunately did not have time to defend.
[00:47:40] So they are hitting our best young
[00:47:41] minds,
[00:47:44] and well, because they understand where to hit, well, what I don't quite
[00:47:48] understand, although I have guesses, why...
[00:49:28] in Istanbul, when Boris Johnson persuaded him not to, well,
[00:49:30] strictly
[00:49:33] speaking, not to go to peace talks, at first it was unclear what would happen, and
[00:49:37] then the West helped, then something else happened, at some point he
[00:49:40] just started to feel that this improvisation
[00:49:44] was successful for him, but probably now everyone understands about his
[00:49:48] improvisation, and that now in Ukraine there is such
[00:49:51] a struggle for power,
[00:50:23] Ukraine agreed not to strike Russian energy systems, Russia
[00:50:27] also agreed not to strike Ukrainian energy systems, the rise in world diesel
[00:50:31] prices is related to the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, not with
[00:50:34] Iran. Here it must be said immediately
[00:50:36] that Zelensky came to this
[00:50:40] conclusion not on his own, he responded to a very
[00:50:43] public appeal from Trump. And
[00:50:46] I want to ask you, Evgeny Petrovich, what
[00:50:49] does this mean for us? I may be too suspicious,
[00:50:53] but I assume that now Zelensky and his patrons
[00:50:57] will start saying, look, Zelensky
[00:51:00] went for this energy truce
[00:51:03] and now Russia can't do this either, can't do
[00:51:07] that, but this approach is to be expected. You know, Dmitry, well, firstly,
[00:51:11] Zelensky's wish is
[00:51:14] energy and grain
[00:51:17] export, that is, the unblocking of Black Sea
[00:51:20] ports, primarily the port of Odessa.
[00:51:23] And the cessation of attacks on ships. What is
[00:51:27] energy? You see, the thing that Trump is only interested in
[00:51:30] diesel. In the United States, I think it's already
[00:51:34] crossed $6 a gallon, it's already past that,
[00:51:37] over six, somewhere closer to seven, and it was, and it was, and
[00:51:40] it was - a year
[00:51:43] ago, below four, below four, well, that is
[00:51:46] the prices have practically doubled, despite
[00:51:50] all Trump's promises that in just a little while, prices would fall
[00:51:53] like a stone, nevertheless, but Trump is interested in diesel.
[00:51:57] Well, diesel is an oil refinery, but
[00:52:01] energy is much broader, it's also -
[00:53:35] confirmed, but in any case, I say, the only thing that, from my point
[00:53:38] of view, we could, so to speak, as a compromise, was
[00:53:42] to suspend attacks on oil,
[00:53:44] you know. Trump's appeal
[00:53:48] was not to Putin, but to Zelensky, it was only to
[00:53:51] Zelensky. We are discussing
[00:53:53] a hypothetical, but probable situation where
[00:53:57] we will be pressured,
[00:54:00] such formulations can mean
[00:54:03] very different things.
[00:54:05] Of course, and the devil is in the details, and we are going to a commercial break, we'll be back
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[00:54:14] important and disturbing topic,
[00:54:17] the topic of out-of-control artificial
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[01:00:00] Senator, we have all read
[01:00:02] books by authors who were engaged in science
[01:00:06] fiction. Many of them had
[01:00:09] predictions about how machines would get
[01:00:13] out of control and start harming
[01:00:16] humans, and even try to destroy
[01:00:19] humanity. Well, in general, when I read this, I
[01:00:23] wasn't very scared, because fiction is
[01:00:26] fiction, and this fiction seemed to me not
[01:00:30] too scientific. Just now
[01:00:34] an employee of an American
[01:00:37] company that develops artificial
[01:00:40] intelligence announced that he was resigning, although this
[01:00:44] company was about to issue shares, and this
[01:00:48] young man, just in the coming
[01:00:51] weeks, was facing very very large payouts, multi-million
[01:00:55] payouts.
[01:00:58] Well, then, then the leaders of these very
[01:01:01] companies began to say that this young man, in a somewhat
[01:01:05] overly dramatic
[01:01:07] way, expressed what they
[01:01:11] are starting to take seriously,
[01:01:14] the timeframes they mentioned, like...
[01:01:17] artificial intelligence could start posing a
[01:01:21] threat? from 6 to 12
[01:01:25] months.
[01:01:28] And if we are talking about
[01:01:30] several years, then in general they all
[01:01:33] agreed that if something urgent is not
[01:01:37] done, if governments,
[01:01:41] governments of other states do not intervene and there
[01:01:45] is no real
[01:01:49] regulation of artificial intelligence development, then we could pay dearly
[01:01:53] for it, and it seemed to me that this was a very correct,
[01:01:57] reasonable, worthy concern. Well, what
[01:02:01] Donald Trump just said
[01:02:03] about this.
[01:02:08] We are ahead of China in artificial intelligence, we are the most advanced country in
[01:02:12] the world, frankly, I want it to stay that way, because whoever wins in
[01:02:16] the field of artificial intelligence... will win, and we can set
[01:02:19] limits, we can do this and that, but I think there are many hostile
[01:02:22] forces that are raising this topic, although they should not raise it, they are raising
[01:02:26] questions that will not happen, but the one who wins in this field.
[01:03:01] You were talking about science fiction here, we all
[01:03:04] remember science fiction of relatively recent
[01:03:06] times, the film Terminator,
[01:03:10] where the main character was also a kind
[01:03:13] of artificial intelligence, we remember his phrase: "I will be
[01:03:16] back", I will return, and so he returned,
[01:03:20] but only already in a different, more, immeasurably more
[01:03:23] dangerous guise, and here I am not an expert and
[01:03:27] would not want to elaborate much on this. Here
[01:03:30] details are really important, approaches are important, but we can
[01:03:34] state the obvious thing, that from a legal
[01:03:38] point of view, from a regulatory point of view, from
[01:03:42] the point of view of some frameworks,
[01:03:45] well, we are generally close to zero,
[01:03:48] started, there are certain efforts in different countries,
[01:03:51] national efforts to develop internal legislation,
[01:03:55] they are generally progressing with great difficulty, including, by the way, in
[01:03:58] our country. We have this, let's say, legislation
[01:04:02] regulating artificial intelligence, it is on the drawing
[01:04:06] boards, but progress so far, unfortunately,
[01:04:08] сожалению,
[01:04:10] without, as they say, a light at the end of the tunnel has not yet
[01:04:13] appeared. Well, in the United States of America, I don't know about
[01:04:17] domestic legislation, but what they are talking about,
[01:04:20] yes, Trump was also talking about it just now, somehow
[01:04:24] there is still no critical mass
[01:04:27] of concern that would prompt
[01:04:31] the development of legislation, apparently not yet ready. There is also the Chinese
[01:04:34] People's Republic, by the way, sharing leadership with
[01:04:37] the Americans in the field of this very
[01:04:41] artificial intelligence, and perhaps, perhaps, even somewhere,
[01:04:45] I would say, a more applied
[01:04:48] leadership, because, well, again, I'm not an expert, but as far as I
[01:04:51] can tell from publications, Americans are developing very
[01:04:55] complex and very expensive models, which
[01:04:58] possibly only large corporations, big
[01:05:02] buyers, and so on, can use. China is taking the opposite approach, it makes
[01:05:05] simpler, more accessible, more, I would
[01:05:09] say, practice-oriented
[01:05:11] schemes,
[01:05:14] and offers them practically
[01:05:16] for free, unlike the United States of America.
[01:05:20] Well, we will not discuss which concept, so to speak, is more promising
[01:05:23] now, but China, by the way, the law
[01:05:27] on artificial intelligence is also still in the works, it is
[01:05:31] being discussed, and apparently they are running into the
[01:05:34] same, including ethical, considerations that concern our
[01:05:38] developers, but, but, China, unlike
[01:05:42] the United States, has made efforts to
[01:05:45] consolidate some international approaches to this
[01:05:49] matter, proposed an organization,
[01:05:52] an international organization that would deal
[01:05:55] with artificial intelligence issues, somewhere, I think, in
[01:05:59] June, yes... that is, just recently a summit of sorts,
[01:06:02] an expert meeting of high level, where these issues were discussed, we, by the way,
[01:06:06] took part in it, we were not in agreement with everything in
[01:06:09] the approaches of our Chinese partners, well, it's a complex issue,
[01:06:12] so here, as they say, there can be different opinions, but in the end
[01:06:16] we came closer, and Russia signed the final document, that is,
[01:06:20] agreed with the theses of the Chinese side, so,
[01:06:23] to conclude the discussion on this topic, I would also speak
[01:06:27] in favor of...
[01:07:30] that Ukrainians, those of them
[01:07:34] who are involved in arms trade, have actively
[01:07:37] started promoting
[01:07:40] drones. Other types of weapons, but especially
[01:07:44] drones, which are equipped with artificial
[01:07:48] intelligence. They offer them
[01:07:51] at a reasonable
[01:07:54] small price and are ready to provide
[01:07:57] them not only to governments, but
[01:08:00] to rebels, including groups
[01:08:03] openly associated, as in Mali, with
[01:08:06] Al-Qaeda. This is, uh, how
[01:08:09] do you think, something that can also be stopped?