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[00:00:22] elections are a gift for you, but I'm not sure
[00:00:24] if you will perceive
[00:00:27] them in this way.
[00:01:00] an absolutely incompetent
[00:01:02] president, he started a war with
[00:01:05] Iran, which had catastrophic
[00:01:08] consequences, he started it without any
[00:01:11] reason, and these elections, although
[00:01:15] they are congressional elections, in essence these elections became
[00:01:19] a referendum on trust in Trump, the American people said
[00:01:22] no, they said to Trump, no, you do not represent
[00:01:25] our interests, and we no longer want you to fight with...
[00:01:31] we no longer want Israel to continue its aggressive
[00:01:34] wars, and I think, although,
[00:01:38] of course, this is still just a conjecture, I
[00:01:41] think the American people do not
[00:01:44] want the Ukrainian war to continue either, they certainly
[00:01:48] do not want the United States
[00:01:51] to continue providing financial and other assistance
[00:01:54] to Ukraine, dragging out this
[00:01:56] war.
[00:02:12] Americans do not want to orchestrate regime change in
[00:02:15] Iran, Americans
[00:02:18] are not interested in all these
[00:02:22] projects, all this hegemony, for them, the economy
[00:02:25] is important,
[00:03:01] but I would say this: this
[00:03:03] situation is not unique to the US. Everyone is tired
[00:03:07] of war. In Europe, everyone is also tired
[00:03:09] of war. Those parties that advocate
[00:03:13] for supporting Ukraine are rapidly losing popular support. And in
[00:03:17] Israel, we saw the same thing last week, when
[00:03:21] Netanyahu lost his majority in the Knesset, and I think
[00:03:25] he will soon lose his post. So,
[00:03:28] most voters in the US.
[00:03:30] And in Europe, in Israel, everyone says the same thing,
[00:03:34] everyone says: "We are tired, we are fed up with these wars,
[00:03:38] we no longer want to be
[00:03:40] ruled by these warmongers who have
[00:03:44] some grand visions of how the US will rule the entire
[00:03:47] world, we just want to live peacefully,
[00:03:51] earn money, so that prices are
[00:03:54] affordable and so on. Again, maybe I'm getting
[00:03:58] ahead of myself, because..." in the Democratic Party there
[00:04:02] are also many warmongers, such people are not only
[00:04:10] it was Biden, who started this
[00:04:12] war, the Democrats lost the elections in twenty-
[00:04:16] four, for exactly the same reason that
[00:04:20] the Republicans lost in twenty- six, both parties
[00:04:24] proceeded from this warlike
[00:04:27] mentality, but... I
[00:04:30] think, maybe now politicians will draw some
[00:04:34] conclusions, they will understand that if
[00:04:37] you want to stay in power, you need to advocate for peace,
[00:04:40] using diplomacy is much easier and cheaper than war, I absolutely agree with your
[00:04:44] analysis, why Trump
[00:04:47] lost, but I'm not
[00:04:51] sure what we can expect from
[00:04:54] the new Democratic majority in
[00:04:57] Congress, because ... no,
[00:05:00] of course, they don't want war,
[00:05:03] but do they believe that the United States is involved in the war
[00:05:07] in Ukraine? Trump just said that he
[00:05:11] supports it.
[00:05:55] in Iran, there is a war in Palestine, there is a war in
[00:05:58] Ukraine, and there
[00:06:01] is
[00:06:03] strategic rivalry between the US and China. So
[00:06:07] now, if you take, for example, the Biden
[00:06:10] administration, the Democrats. back then they took hawkish
[00:06:14] positions on three of these four
[00:06:16] issues,
[00:06:20] they were not particularly aggressive towards Iran, but regarding
[00:06:23] Ukraine, they acted very harshly, they
[00:06:27] wanted Ukraine to fight this war and
[00:06:30] defeat Russia. It's clear that this is absurd, but the Democrats
[00:06:33] firmly believed in it. Israel, they also
[00:06:36] fully supported
[00:06:37] it,
[00:06:41] and they ignited a trade war with
[00:06:45] China, not a military conflict, of course, but a very
[00:06:48] harsh competition, so
[00:06:51] the Democrats, of course, were not a party of peace, not at all,
[00:06:54] they, of course, didn't listen to me, but I warned them,
[00:06:58] I warned some important people in that party that
[00:07:02] they would lose the elections in twenty-four because of foreign policy, and so
[00:07:44] Of course, Trump can start something, but now I personally
[00:07:48] very strongly doubt it,
[00:07:51] the president cannot now act completely independently,
[00:07:54] the vice president just said that it was a political
[00:07:57] catastrophe, this war was a catastrophe,
[00:08:01] just now the people unequivocally
[00:08:04] spoke out for an end to this war,
[00:08:08] so I am quite optimistic in this regard.
[00:08:18] Zionist lobby in the US, I still think that Trump will not now
[00:08:22] resume the war.
[00:08:26] Well, besides, Netanyahu.
[00:08:29] I think that in the near future he will disappear from
[00:08:32] the political
[00:08:33] scene.
[00:08:38] Let's see if the Israeli opposition is ready
[00:08:41] to stand united? Front with Arab
[00:08:44] parties, this would be the only reasonable
[00:08:53] Russian position,
[00:08:56] if they refuse to stand together against Netanyahu,
[00:09:00] but I believe that Netanyahu's days as
[00:09:03] a politician are numbered, maybe again I'm getting a little ahead
[00:09:07] of myself, but I think that this will be
[00:09:10] a lesson.
[00:09:14] And regarding
[00:09:15] Iran,
[00:09:19] Vance said that regarding Israel, Vance
[00:09:22] said that aid to Israel needs to be re-evaluated,
[00:09:25] Trump expressed himself in the same vein, now
[00:09:29] in the Michigan elections Abdul
[00:09:32] El-Sayed won,
[00:09:34] who also categorically opposes providing
[00:09:37] support, providing aid
[00:09:47] to this, Michigan is a very important state in
[00:09:50] terms of, among other things, the presidential elections of twenty-
[00:09:54] eight,
[00:09:58] so Israel must understand that if it wants to survive,
[00:10:01] it needs to make a turn towards
[00:10:10] Russia.
[00:10:14] for Russia, it's clear
[00:10:16] that we have many Russophobes in Congress, many senators,
[00:10:19] Russophobes, but I want to say again, and
[00:10:23] the election results showed the fatigue of the American
[00:10:26] people, Americans no longer want
[00:10:29] to hear about foreign policy, about all these endless
[00:10:32] wars, for Americans, what's important
[00:10:36] first and foremost
[00:10:39] are prices for housing, for
[00:10:42] fuel, for education, for healthcare,
[00:10:46] that's what concerns them, that's what they want to talk about first
[00:10:50] and foremost, so
[00:10:53] many of the Democrats who...
[00:11:19] And I really hope that this signal will be
[00:11:22] heard.
[00:11:25] because I don't think that
[00:11:28] Americans will want congressmen
[00:11:31] to now allocate new aid to Ukraine, I don't
[00:11:35] think that Congress will agree to allocate any additional
[00:11:38] funds. I think that this will bring closer the end
[00:11:41] of the war and bring closer a diplomatic
[00:11:50] wanted
[00:11:50] to say.
[00:12:25] that the US will behave quietly and will not particularly
[00:12:28] stick its neck out in this situation, especially Trump, he suffered
[00:12:32] a defeat, he became a lame duck, he is weakened,
[00:12:36] he will not escalate with
[00:12:44] of Americans, which was clearly demonstrated during these
[00:12:47] elections, I don't think that the US will pursue a warlike
[00:12:51] policy towards China, now regarding Europe. if Europeans
[00:12:57] in the current situation think that they will now come to Ukraine's
[00:13:02] aid, they will save it without the US, I
[00:13:05] think this is complete
[00:13:06] madness,
[00:13:10] and the Prime Minister of Norway
[00:13:12] spoke,
[00:13:14] and the President of Finland, Stubb, spoke with Putin, and even
[00:13:18] Zelensky, even
[00:13:20] Zelensky.
[00:13:26] who does not reflect the true interests of the Ukrainian
[00:13:30] people, even he, in my opinion, for the first time in many years
[00:13:33] said, we need to take into account Russian
[00:13:36] security concerns,
[00:13:42] said: we need to establish diplomatic contacts, it's clear
[00:13:46] that he advocates for igniting war, but his
[00:13:49] rating has dropped so much that even Merz started talking about
[00:13:53] dialogue and... The US will not
[00:13:56] interfere in this, maybe, of course, I am mistaken, maybe
[00:14:00] I am naive, maybe I am overly optimistic, but I
[00:14:04] still think that the voter's voice is still
[00:14:08] worth something, it is still important, especially
[00:14:11] when elections end with such a
[00:14:14] decisive defeat, I think conclusions will be
[00:14:17] drawn, Irena Chernenko wants to ask you a
[00:14:21] question, dear Professor Sachs, you mentioned.
[00:14:55] create problems for him, he will have more freedom on the external
[00:14:59] front, or will his hands essentially be tied now and
[00:15:02] he will have to actively engage in domestic politics,
[00:15:06] problems, investigations, which the Democrats are already promising
[00:15:09] to launch against him, so he will not be at all
[00:15:12] concerned with peacekeeping or
[00:15:13] Ukraine.
[00:15:25] I don't think that the Democratic Party will now be engaged in
[00:15:29] trying to resume aid
[00:15:32] to Ukraine from the US,
[00:15:35] to win by doing so.
[00:15:39] in twenty-eight, any candidate who will advocate for
[00:15:42] providing aid to Ukraine and allocating large quantities
[00:15:46] of weapons or money, will lose in twenty-eight
[00:15:49] elections,
[00:15:53] because no one will vote for such people,
[00:15:55] therefore
[00:15:58] I think that
[00:16:01] the Democratic Party will not
[00:16:03] organizedly oppose peace, that is, if yes...
[00:16:38] just look at his last speech on the eve of the elections, he
[00:16:42] there talked about that pond in Washington that he
[00:16:46] repaired,
[00:16:48] constantly he talks about how he
[00:16:51] built a ballroom in the White House, how he built
[00:16:55] a helicopter pad, sometimes he speaks absolutely
[00:16:58] incoherently, says some incomprehensible
[00:17:00] things,
[00:17:03] but in general, one should not expect Trump to organize
[00:17:06] some kind of... very complex multi-move, he is
[00:17:10] not capable of this,
[00:17:13] I know that many will find this
[00:17:15] unlikely, but I think that peace will come not
[00:17:19] through Trump, not thanks to Trump, but thanks to the fact that Europeans
[00:17:22] will finally say, enough, let's stop this war,
[00:17:31] are tired, they are confused, they tried,
[00:17:34] they tried to prepare.
[00:17:40] but there are already signs
[00:17:42] that in Europe a split is appearing,
[00:17:45] a split has emerged between the pro-war faction
[00:17:49] and the peace faction, we just recently
[00:17:52] saw what happened in Bulgaria, in Bulgaria
[00:17:56] voters spoke out in support
[00:17:59] of peace, so I think in the coming weeks, possibly
[00:18:02] we will see that European leaders
[00:18:04] will say, it's time to
[00:18:08] agree that Ukraine should be a neutral country, abandon NATO
[00:18:16] which we have neglected for many years, but let's see, let's see, we'll live
[00:18:19] and see what happens in the coming weeks, in general, I think that peace
[00:18:23] will come not thanks to Donald Trump, who will suddenly
[00:18:26] carry out some brilliant, super complex
[00:18:29] operation, I think he is fundamentally incapable of that, he doesn't have the
[00:18:33] abilities for that, you recently published a book
[00:18:36] about... Europe, as far as I understand, it's called
[00:18:40] The Strategic Error of Europe, why
[00:18:43] Europe's anti-Russian policy turned out to be dangerous and erroneous
[00:18:47] for the European continent itself, could you briefly
[00:18:51] tell us what it's about and most importantly, how it was received in Europe, maybe there's already
[00:18:55] some initial
[00:18:55] reaction?
[00:19:00] I wrote this book, in which I say that
[00:19:03] Europe for the most part pursues.
[00:19:46] England in the 1840s,
[00:19:48] and I specifically researched why
[00:19:52] this phobia began, not because of some specific actions of Russia, but simply
[00:19:56] because the English perceived Russia as a threat
[00:19:59] to the interests of the British
[00:20:00] Empire.
[00:20:20] They thought that Russia posed some threat to their empire,
[00:20:24] that's why England started the Crimean War, not because of
[00:20:28] the actions of the Russian Empire, but because
[00:20:31] Lord Palmerston decided to block Russia's access to the Black
[00:21:20] their Russophobia, in the end they themselves
[00:21:23] paid for it,
[00:21:27] because this anti-Hitler coalition was created
[00:21:30] too late, naturally, the biggest
[00:21:33] price was paid by the Soviet Union, it was the Soviet
[00:21:37] Union that bore the main losses, but
[00:21:41] this coalition could have been created much earlier, then the losses
[00:21:45] would have been much less, but they didn't go for it then,
[00:21:48] then after the second...
[00:22:23] I am absolutely convinced that the Cold War could have been
[00:22:27] prevented. I understand that not everyone will agree with
[00:22:31] this thesis, but
[00:22:34] back in 1952, Stalin proposed
[00:22:37] the reunification of Germany, and
[00:22:40] Adenauer said, the German Chancellor, it's better that Germany
[00:22:44] remain divided than it be neutral,
[00:22:47] you see how tragic a mistake. Well then,
[00:22:51] naturally, there was an episode where I was directly a witness
[00:22:54] and participant, this is the period of Gorbachev and Yeltsin,
[00:22:58] everything there was absolutely clear,
[00:23:01] peace was proposed, cooperation for many, many
[00:23:05] generations, and the US essentially said:
[00:23:08] no, we don't need any cooperation, we want
[00:23:12] to dominate, we want to be
[00:23:13] the hegemon,
[00:23:17] to unite Germany, they promised:
[00:24:20] security,
[00:24:22] there was once Willy Brandt's Ostpolitik,
[00:24:26] a new Eastern policy, there were
[00:24:28] the Paris agreements, eighty-nine, ninety, we
[00:24:32] came so close to creating
[00:24:34] such an architecture of indivisible security,
[00:24:38] which would take into account the interests of both Russia and European
[00:24:42] countries, everyone, not just NATO's interests, but the US
[00:24:45] constantly interfered, the US wanted to be the hegemon,
[00:24:49] wanted dominance. countries
[00:25:02] is most important: Americans are tired, they
[00:25:05] are tired, this is a classic situation when
[00:25:08] an empire constantly strives for expansion, at a certain point
[00:25:11] such a moment comes
[00:25:14] when people are just tired, the empire is unable to expand further,
[00:25:17] it begins to decay. The world is becoming
[00:25:21] multipolar, Russia is a great power, China is
[00:25:24] a great power, the US,
[00:25:26] India,
[00:25:29] in the world there is no longer this situation where the only superpower
[00:25:33] was the US, this is a delusion they
[00:25:36] believed in at the end of the Cold War, but
[00:25:39] the American people, they are wiser than their leaders,
[00:25:43] their leaders,
[00:25:46] who say that we must rule the whole world and we can...
[00:25:50] arrange a coup in Iran, Ukraine
[00:25:53] must belong to us, we will surround Russia with our military
[00:25:57] bases, this is complete nonsense, this is complete absurdity, and
[00:26:00] it's all outdated, the world has long since become multipolar, it's much
[00:26:04] cheaper to live in harmony than to constantly
[00:26:07] try to attack each other,
[00:26:11] and people understood this, in America, in Europe, in Israel,
[00:26:15] people understood, so they voted the way they voted, they said:
[00:26:19] stop, this is costing us very dearly,
[00:26:23] prices are soaring, we don't want to be the hegemon, we want to live
[00:26:26] peacefully, so politicians need to listen to the voice
[00:26:30] of the people, politicians must...
[00:29:02] Therefore, we need to put aside all this foreign
[00:29:05] policy, because it will not bring us victory in the next
[00:29:09] elections. And now all
[00:29:12] American politicians will only be thinking about the elections of twenty-
[00:29:16] eight. Now this is the most important question: who will become president in twenty-
[00:29:19] eight? And a person who pursues an aggressive policy, or
[00:29:23] proposes to pursue it, will certainly not win. Professor,
[00:29:26] thank you very much, of course, to understand
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[00:35:46] Jeffrey Sachs is a wonderful person and
[00:35:49] an outstanding scientist,
[00:35:52] that's why his
[00:35:53] optimism is so
[00:35:56] infectious,
[00:35:59] but in the case of optimism, as in the case of other contagious
[00:36:03] diseases, you need to know
[00:36:05] your limits, and of course, when you are in
[00:36:09] the center of this game, and he is in the United
[00:36:12] States, and he is still a Democrat. Not
[00:36:15] a Republican, at least in terms of his political history, I don't
[00:36:19] know how he voted in these elections, then of course
[00:36:22] he is prone to rejoicing, he has reason
[00:36:26] to rejoice, but... we are not in the United
[00:36:29] States, we are here in Moscow, do you see any reason for us
[00:36:33] to rejoice? Not yet, on the one hand, of course,
[00:36:37] esteemed Professor Sachs is absolutely right that it was
[00:36:40] anti-war sentiments within the US that became
[00:36:44] one of the main reasons why the Republicans lost, but
[00:36:47] Americans, of course, voted against
[00:36:50] the administration of Donald Trump and against the war unleashed by him
[00:36:54] against Iran, and not just because these are some... philosophical
[00:36:57] sentiments, the main reason is that because of this
[00:37:01] war, prices for energy, for
[00:37:04] gasoline, for diesel, rose, this caused an acceleration of inflation,
[00:37:08] almost all categories
[00:37:10] of products, services, and so on became more expensive, that is, Americans felt
[00:37:14] the cost, the high cost of this war on their
[00:37:17] wallets, and this caused such a rejection
[00:37:20] of the foreign policy actions of the Trump administration, which ultimately
[00:37:24] became the main reason, along with his
[00:37:28] inept tariff policy, which led to the defeat
[00:37:31] of the Republican Party in the elections, and yes,
[00:37:34] there are indeed such sentiments among voters,
[00:37:37] Republicans, among Democrats, especially Democrats of a slightly more
[00:37:41] left-wing persuasion, that they believe that the administration should
[00:37:44] focus more on domestic problems, those very
[00:37:47] costs of housing, education,
[00:37:50] medicine, and so on, that is, in this he is absolutely right,
[00:37:54] but when we look at the statements of the Democrats, the willingness
[00:38:07] to compromise, the willingness to
[00:38:11] settle, no, we have seen how
[00:38:14] they have acted so far, for example, now, diesel
[00:38:18] deal, yes, it is the Democrats who are doing everything
[00:38:21] to prevent a single Russian tanker with
[00:38:25] diesel from reaching the territory of the United States and not...
[00:39:57] prices for everything that should be delivered,
[00:40:00] airplanes, cars and so
[00:40:02] on.
[00:40:06] In addition, Iran, of course, is much weaker
[00:40:09] than Russia militarily, but they are inflicting real
[00:40:13] blows on American bases in this region, they
[00:40:17] are killing American servicemen, they
[00:40:21] are creating problems for America, blocking the Strait of Hormuz, absolutely
[00:40:24] accurately, when they talk about the conflict. In
[00:40:28] Ukraine, in the United States
[00:40:31] they generally don't see how this can severely affect
[00:40:35] them. From my point of view, this is chicken
[00:40:38] blindness. And, probably,
[00:40:42] if we were to go into a direct conflict with the United
[00:40:45] States, then they would very quickly understand
[00:40:49] why they are making a tragic
[00:40:52] mistake, but for now
[00:40:56] we are concentrating on confrontation with
[00:40:59] Europeans, or rather they are concentrating on
[00:41:02] confrontation with us, and we are behaving
[00:41:06] restrainedly, but still, when we
[00:41:09] discuss this conflict, we draw
[00:41:12] a distinction between the United States and Europe,
[00:41:16] as if we treat the United States with greater
[00:41:19] tolerance, which creates in the average
[00:41:22] American a feeling
[00:41:25] of indifference to this conflict, except for those
[00:41:28] groups that have a clear Russophobic
[00:41:31] position. In the case of Palestine,
[00:41:34] for example,
[00:41:37] he mentioned the elections in Michigan.
[00:41:40] In Michigan, the demographics now
[00:41:42] mean that there is a large
[00:41:45] category of voters from the Middle East,
[00:41:49] Muslims, for whom blind support
[00:41:53] for Israel is far from
[00:41:54] a blessing.
[00:41:57] I don't see similar groups of voters in America
[00:42:01] who would support Russia, maybe I'm missing something.
[00:42:05] No, you are absolutely right, Dmitry, that the war,
[00:42:08] the Ukrainian conflict, it for...
[00:43:10] right in the long term, because American
[00:43:13] demographics, when it ceases to be an Anglo-Saxon
[00:43:17] society, when it is more and
[00:43:20] more a society multifaceted and in
[00:43:24] many ways not based on European values,
[00:43:27] all of which will hinder
[00:43:30] the traditional American orientation towards Europe,
[00:43:34] traditional American hegemony, but that is in
[00:43:37] the long term, and... at
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[00:48:52] new Congress, but
[00:48:54] Trump still remains for another 2 years in the Oval Office of the White
[00:48:58] House, do you expect any changes in American foreign
[00:49:02] policy?
[00:49:05] American foreign policy in many
[00:49:07] aspects is a product of the domestic policy of the United States,
[00:49:11] all internal political battles that Republicans wage with Democrats, they
[00:49:15] inevitably reflect this, but the fact
[00:49:17] also is that the executive branch has more
[00:49:21] leverage for...
[00:50:22] the entire process around President Trump, I think that these are all still
[00:50:26] premature conclusions that can only be drawn
[00:50:30] as events unfold,
[00:50:33] an important circumstance is also that the current defeat of President
[00:50:37] Trump was a product, was the result of his mistake,
[00:50:40] an unforced error in the war against Iran
[00:50:43] and some colleagues said that
[00:50:46] voters were tired of expansionist
[00:50:50] active American foreign policy.
[00:51:24] boats, which were shot from
[00:51:27] the air, without even establishing
[00:51:30] who was on them and what they
[00:51:33] were carrying, it was absolutely beyond
[00:51:37] the scope of law enforcement
[00:51:39] practice, and the fact that precisely
[00:51:43] unsuccessful, ineffective foreign policy
[00:51:46] actions led to an increase
[00:51:50] in costs for the American voter.
[00:53:05] when I first came to the United States, I attended
[00:53:08] congressional hearings, just sat and listened,
[00:53:12] and of course, the hearings were good and
[00:53:14] varied, but still, they invited
[00:53:17] witnesses from both sides,
[00:53:20] and there were both
[00:53:23] senators and House members who tried to use
[00:53:26] the hearings to understand what
[00:53:29] was happening, now
[00:53:33] you are absolutely right, this is...
[00:57:05] from my point of view, a false feeling that the United
[00:57:09] States won the Cold
[00:57:11] War,
[00:57:14] and the losing country.
[00:58:17] foreign policy presence in the world -
[00:58:20] is primarily a product of American
[00:58:23] pressure. Americans were indeed the main rival for
[00:58:27] the Soviet Union, but the crisis in which our
[00:58:30] country found itself - more than 30 years ago, was caused
[00:58:33] predominantly by internal reasons.
[00:58:36] I am surprised that the current victors
[00:58:39] of the American elections - do not focus on, in my opinion,
[00:58:43] the key issue of American viability, at least, the viability
[00:58:48] of their global leadership, this
[00:58:52] grandiose federal debt, the servicing of which has
[00:58:55] already become more expensive than their
[00:58:58] astronomical military budget, this is a large
[00:59:02] number of expenses for
[00:59:05] foreign policy presence in different parts of the world, which are already
[00:59:09] difficult to bear in themselves,
[00:59:12] this is an advantage in terms of the current
[00:59:16] personnel strength of the Chinese navy over the American
[00:59:19] navy, and this is a series of unforced
[00:59:23] errors regarding security issues in various international
[00:59:27] crises, this is Ukraine, this is
[00:59:29] Iran, in the middle of last
[00:59:32] year, figures in the military department
[00:59:36] of the United States began to insist on determining
[00:59:39] the exact position of Japan and the Republic of Korea regarding a possible
[00:59:43] military crisis around Taiwan, that is,
[00:59:46] tension is growing, therefore. this question,
[00:59:48] this series of circumstances inevitably
[00:59:52] raises the question of how
[00:59:54] healthy the foundations of American influence are,
[00:59:58] how healthy their currency is, how healthy their debt
[01:00:01] borrowings are, how capable they are of pursuing such
[01:00:05] a policy, without regard to the cost of this policy, to the cost of these
[01:00:09] expenses, and I see few of these arguments, strangely
[01:00:12] enough, with these arguments Republicans came to power
[01:00:16] 2 years ago.
[01:00:48] but it is unequivocal that in our dialogue with the United
[01:00:52] States, especially under the second
[01:00:55] Trump administration, there were encouraging
[01:00:58] moments.