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[00:00:00] We were in a difficult situation. We included it in
[00:00:03] our electoral program and entered the government to implement
[00:00:06] this, meaning I can't. The cost was five billion. He told me,
[00:00:10] "What about these liabilities that exist? What should I do with them? I need to bring in
[00:00:14] contractual employees." I need to fix all educational categories.
[00:00:17] All of them are affected. The cost reached
[00:00:20] 29 billion dirhams. This
[00:00:23] is what Moroccans need to know. Today, the sector
[00:00:26] meaning the issue of staying in has reached its peak of success, and we are proud
[00:00:30] that the President of France, in
[00:00:32] actor, whether in Ghana, in front of the head of government
[00:00:34] the majority or in and in front of the African community, told them, "You can be proud
[00:00:38] of what Morocco is doing." And this is a head of state who will not speak
[00:00:44] but I did Ben Youssef in that were withdrawn from about, about. Let me add something so we can move to other topics, because we no longer have this issue
[00:00:47] of just this. If we don't tell
[00:00:51] Moroccans today, when will we tell them? They need to know. Very
[00:00:53] important. It was possible only for the health
[00:00:56] sector to give us some data. The health sector
[00:01:00] because it is the backbone of the discussion and the backbone
[00:01:03] of society. The health sector, everyone was
[00:01:07] in RAMED. RAMED, RAMED. It didn't succeed.
[00:01:10] You created a RAMED system
[00:01:13] affects investment, for example. It affects but you didn't fund it to enter this for this system to survive.
[00:01:16] the civil registry, I am There were no appointments for nine months, seven months,
[00:01:19] a year, until the person died. This was not happening. Today,
[00:01:23] we brought a system. Do you know how much time we spent just to set
[00:01:26] the laws for this social protection project?
[00:01:30] Greetings, Professor Sabah. A great effort has been made in
[00:01:33] the country, and we must acknowledge it. We must
[00:01:38] Every stone in this acknowledge it. Today, the Moroccan citizen
[00:01:41] has the right to go to a public hospital if he wants.
[00:01:44] If he wants to go to a private hospital, he can go. Although
[00:01:47] there are some reservations, I
[00:01:51] memory always heard them from you
[00:01:52] sharp between you in that 90% of the budget that goes to health goes to the private sector.
[00:01:56] Private, correct. But I
[00:01:58] to leave the now have a public sector.
[00:02:01] Sick, and I have a private sector that exists.
[00:02:04] This Moroccan is sick, should I tell him to stay sick
[00:02:08] until I finish the reform
[00:02:11] is considered one of the important withdrawal as of public hospitals? Impossible. Therefore, we are working at a
[00:02:15] distinguished pace. This is what the Minister of Health is doing. A great
[00:02:19] job.
[00:02:22] The issue of unemployment figures, I will come to that. I will come to that.
[00:02:25] What is being done today should not be underestimated.
[00:02:28] Therefore, we, as Moroccans, regardless
[00:02:34] Moroccans. And among the files that of our political affiliations, this success that these two systems are experiencing, we must
[00:02:39] grew up in this support and encourage it, because all of this is for the benefit of my children and your children. This debate
[00:02:43] today is beautiful, and we hear these numbers and what
[00:02:47] to my studio in the room has been achieved and mentioned in the presentation
[00:02:51] at home, of the government's achievements in
[00:02:53] I talk to you about this term. That's good. But there is a general feeling
[00:02:58] because it came out of among wide segments of citizens that this has
[00:03:00] not reached them. Where is the flaw? And there are
[00:03:05] it's just about those from the opposition who also criticize the weakness of the political measure of
[00:03:08] the majority. Look,
[00:03:11] perhaps there is some truth
[00:03:14] neighborhood, and it naturally overlooks This presence in my house is located in this in this. There is no communication. There is a problem with communication, and I'll go further
[00:03:17] with you. The governmental structure for five
[00:03:21] years raises a big question. I will, I will
[00:03:24] talk. We spent five years with three
[00:03:27] strong parties. The governmental structure gave what it brought.
[00:03:31] nowadays. So, this The ballot boxes brought three parties. This choice can be repeated in
[00:03:39] I found my parents had left in the governed the country, we became the next elections. The results of the elections are that the government will be made up of three parties. They are called Said. I
[00:03:42] think, I think that
[00:03:45] this majority, and this is a criticism you can take, but I think it was
[00:03:48] healthy. This current governmental structure has three parties,
[00:03:52] meaning the level of, of, of
[00:03:56] politics was weak, but the level of
[00:04:01] Mr. Abdullah, Morocco is changing. Many
[00:04:04] sectors are moving. Many
[00:04:07] things in our country are changing. And we see this through
[00:04:11] the eyes of foreigners, not even through our own eyes.
[00:04:13] We do not doubt the nature,
[00:04:16] the weight of those who represent
[00:04:19] what they are now within the government. But when politics happens, there is
[00:04:23] a word next to it called communication about what you are doing.
[00:04:26] It needs to reach people. What the government cannot do, it says, "I didn't do it."
[00:04:30] But these
[00:04:32] because it was a bit close to are the available options. But
[00:04:34] the door, especially in silence should not last. It doesn't last for a period. There is
[00:04:36] financial independence. In my communication, but then it becomes incapacity. It's no longer. Not incapacity,
[00:04:39] but we will, we will
[00:04:43] move
[00:04:44] was studying with me to the topic of who will bear the responsibility
[00:04:47] of defending the government's achievements.
[00:04:54] to Al-Safyani." This colleagues in the opposition Will all three defend it, or will each party defend its ministers and sectors? I see now that they have started, and each one is scratching their own back. Mr. Ghiyat defended health
[00:04:57] and education. I, I think,
[00:05:01] lie to Moroccans. I think now it's time
[00:05:03] were in the that there are some who will, well, look, morally, we should defend the government's
[00:05:07] achievements. But to go to elections, to go to the citizen, you will
[00:05:11] defend your party's achievements.
[00:05:15] Elections with some prior coordination from the opposition, from
[00:05:18] the majority, you don't have movements. No, we
[00:05:21] don't. No, no, we don't. Okay.
[00:05:24] Let's assume
[00:05:26] that the first place was won by another
[00:05:30] party other than the National Rally of Independents, meaning for
[00:05:34] you it doesn't pose a problem,
[00:05:39] the government remains a political challenge for the National Rally of Independents.
[00:05:43] Whatever its leadership is, first of all, we respect
[00:05:47] what the Moroccan citizen will decide. He is the one who will choose, and therefore at that time,
[00:05:51] the decision whether to join the government or not will remain
[00:05:54] a decision, for example, if
[00:05:56] but we are working to be the first, because we have
[00:06:00] started major projects behind His Majesty
[00:06:03] the King, and we want to complete them. But yes, if
[00:06:06] this happens, meaning you will make way for other
[00:06:10] parties. I mean here the Socialist Union
[00:06:13] for Popular Forces and the Justice and Development Party,
[00:06:17] meaning within the government, Sabah, we have no red
[00:06:20] line. We are ready for any
[00:06:23] political expression that shares the same concerns as
[00:06:26] the Moroccan citizen. We are ready to deal with
[00:06:30] you. You don't have any problem with a specific party.
[00:06:33] No problem. Any party that gets the third or fourth place, any
[00:06:37] party that Moroccans voted for, and we were in the leadership and had the opportunity
[00:06:41] to ally, we have no problem.
[00:06:44] This is good in political discourse. But practically, the parties
[00:06:47] that are currently, meaning the first four in the opposition, and who
[00:06:50] criticize you harshly throughout these five years,
[00:06:54] they were your allies, meaning you allied with them in
[00:06:57] previous governments. But today, meaning
[00:07:00] the paths have diverged, and the discourse has become
[00:07:05] both directions. Do you want me to give you my opinion?
[00:07:08] I think, I think it's just noise.
[00:07:14] What the National Rally of Independents has done is a great
[00:07:17] work for the country. These
[00:07:20] criticisms, I hear some of them, but
[00:07:24] the work that has been done is great work. I will not tell you that we do not claim
[00:07:27] perfection. Perfection belongs to God, but what
[00:07:31] we have done is all with conviction to serve the nation.
[00:07:34] I cannot listen to this discourse
[00:07:37] and the criticisms of the opposition. It's natural that they do it, but they need
[00:07:40] to leave room for the water to flow. Okay, the other issue concerns
[00:07:44] let's go to the current parliamentary
[00:07:47] experience. For you, it was
[00:07:50] an exemplary experience,
[00:07:54] but there is an issue here related
[00:07:56] to the image among public opinion
[00:08:00] of the institution. How do you see this image among
[00:08:03] Moroccan public opinion? And before
[00:08:06] the numbers, I will talk to you about the quality
[00:08:09] of the projects to add, to add, to add the point that
[00:08:13] the opposition considers it only a voting chamber. No,
[00:08:17] the projects that the government
[00:08:20] brings, nothing more. I want to ask you, when they
[00:08:23] were in power, wasn't parliament a voting
[00:08:26] chamber? The nature of parliament is a voting chamber.
[00:08:30] There must be voting. When they had the majority,
[00:08:34] they didn't talk about tyranny. When they governed all the cities of Morocco,
[00:08:37] we didn't talk about tyranny. When they had a number,
[00:08:40] we didn't talk about tyranny. Today, when
[00:08:44] the Moroccan citizen gave this parliamentary formation that
[00:08:49] tyrannical. Look, Professor Al-Fadhila, before
[00:08:53] we look at the results of parliament by numbers, we need to look at the quality
[00:08:57] of the projects that have passed.
[00:09:00] Look at how many structured projects
[00:09:03] have been
[00:09:05] implemented. To be implemented, they need laws.
[00:09:09] Health, education, justice,
[00:09:12] investment, employment, the strike law. How long
[00:09:15] was it pending? We brought it, voted on it, and passed it. The investment
[00:09:19] law, likewise. Education, health. What
[00:09:22] was done in the health sector is incredible. How much
[00:09:26] time we spent. Parliament was a beehive,
[00:09:29] working in an exceptional
[00:09:32] way. Please, this constitutional
[00:09:35] institution, there is no democracy without parliament, and we must
[00:09:39] preserve it. The opposition criticizes you for not going in the direction
[00:09:43] of the fact-finding committee, and also for not interacting
[00:09:47] more with legislative initiatives. I will tell you
[00:09:50] about that fact-finding committee. I
[00:09:53] will give you the real stance. Parliament
[00:09:56] is going to close, and some
[00:09:59] of my
[00:10:03] and in the majority told me, "The parliament is now
[00:10:06] causing a fuss in the streets. Vote with us. Parliament
[00:10:09] is going to close." I told them, "No, we are a responsible party. We cannot
[00:10:14] We cannot lie. Parliament today
[00:10:18] cannot do this, and you have enough votes to do
[00:10:21] that. Otherwise, look, even that fact-finding committee.
[00:10:25] The day I told them not to go to the fact-finding committee, do an investigative
[00:10:28] mission, or we formed a conviction that there is
[00:10:31] a waste of public funds. I assure you that we will join you, because we also
[00:10:35] defend the country. We are not outside
[00:10:38] it, on the contrary. But there were political
[00:10:41] maneuvers, and a responsible party leading the government cannot get involved in this,
[00:10:45] because our reputation, our image in front of the citizen, we must protect
[00:10:48] it. What makes issues
[00:10:51] like the wealth tax and fighting corruption stagnate
[00:10:55] with the political
[00:10:59] the government, considering that the opposition was ready to
[00:11:01] go ahead with this specific issue? I don't understand
[00:11:05] how, in the files
[00:11:07] parliament, you had illicit enrichment. That
[00:11:11] criminal law has one or two clauses that confirm
[00:11:15] this. When
[00:11:19] the government came, they had been ruling for 10
[00:11:22] years. Why didn't they issue that law until
[00:11:26] we came? We saw that that
[00:11:28] law, those clauses
[00:11:30] were made
[00:11:33] in a retaliatory way. We cannot do that in the country, and that
[00:11:38] the country's image. Those two clauses are only found in
[00:11:42] one, two, or three countries in Latin America that have the problem
[00:11:45] of, of, of,
[00:11:48] of drugs, you understand? Therefore,
[00:11:52] why should we get involved in this? On the contrary.
[00:11:55] We look for demands
[00:11:58] to say where this enrichment came from.
[00:12:01] How did it happen? He is the public official.
[00:12:05] As a parliamentarian, the day I was elected, I went and
[00:12:08] declared my assets. During the term,
[00:12:11] I declare, and at the end of the term. I am concerned.
[00:12:15] Why should I involve all Moroccans in this process? Every parliamentarian commits to this, everyone.
[00:12:19] What if they don't declare? They lose their membership.
[00:12:22] Therefore, look, that whole file is political
[00:12:26] maneuvering. These people who are talking today, they have been
[00:12:30] ruling for 10 years. Why didn't they issue it?
[00:12:33] Some present this
[00:12:36] fear from the majority of accountability and fighting
[00:12:39] corruption. And I am telling you what happened. Are you afraid
[00:12:43] of fighting? No, we're not. And I am telling you, I declare. I,
[00:12:47] as a public official, declare,
[00:12:49] and the concerned institutions have everything.
[00:12:53] All of this, Mr. Abdullah, is political maneuvering, and we should not fool
[00:12:59] remained unresolved in this term and were not resolved is the pension reform file.
[00:13:02] The postponed file until
[00:13:06] a ready file.
[00:13:09] Ready. We hear that. I tell you, the file
[00:13:12] is ready, and God willing, directly,
[00:13:16] the next government, the appointment will start with it. And this file needs
[00:13:19] to be dealt with. This file needs to be dealt with. Why
[00:13:23] wasn't it dealt with in this government term?
[00:13:26] Between you and me, we didn't reach agreements with social
[00:13:29] partners. We need to, but we will go
[00:13:32] until. You didn't convince the unions. Now will you be able to convince
[00:13:35] the unions in the next government?
[00:13:39] the next government, Mr. Ghiyat, this is confidence in the presence in
[00:13:42] perhaps if Moroccans want us to be there. But do you
[00:13:46] have the capabilities for it? Are you working on it? We are working on the electoral
[00:13:49] program. The party elite now, and who
[00:13:53] you will nominate as elite. Look, before I talk about, let me talk to you about the party.
[00:13:57] How do you have 30 seconds, sir? If my brothers
[00:14:01] operation allow me, its time.
[00:14:03] The program. Just to tell you, the party structure, we have
[00:14:07] 12 regional coordinations and we have
[00:14:10] 1500 local coordinations. So in those
[00:14:13] 12 regional coordinations, their regional coordinators, all
[00:14:17] the districts. All these districts will be covered, and God willing, we are
[00:14:21] confident that what we have done, we will go with our heads held high.
[00:14:27] Moroccans often do not risk changing their leadership before
[00:14:31] elections, and this is what the Rally party did. On the contrary, the
[00:14:33] Rally party, even though the leadership changed, the party is still following
[00:14:37] its methodology. It works, it communicates. We conducted
[00:14:40] the largest listening operation ever carried out by a political party in Morocco over
[00:14:44] five years. We took all the concerns of Moroccans.
[00:14:48] Our electoral program will be released soon, God
[00:14:51] willing, and it is very simple but useful for Morocco. Thank
[00:14:55] you, Mr. Mohamed Ghiyat, Deputy Speaker of
[00:14:58] the House of Representatives, member of the Political Bureau of the National Rally of Independents. Thank you
[00:15:02] for your contribution to this political discussion within the "Point to the
[00:15:05] Line" program. Thank you, Professor Sabah. Thank you, Mr. Abdullah. Thank you, Abdullah. Thank
[00:15:09] you, Sabah. Thank you, Mr. Mohamed Ghiyat. This was the "Point to the Line" program
[00:15:13] live on Al Oula channel. See you next week, God willing.
[00:15:17] Greetings to the program
[00:15:18] team.