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[00:00:00] The Socialist Progress, meaning its last presence in the government was
[00:00:05] This is reflected in spending, and it is reflected in during the era of Wali Mr. El Othmani in And fourth, be careful of 2021. The Popular
[00:00:07] Moroccan enterprises, and it is reflected in Movement as well, meaning even the elites today that will be presented by the
[00:00:10] political parties of the bloc, other than the Istiqlal Party, are elites who have not experienced
[00:00:15] to agree on government work and were in the opposition more than in the government. Therefore, this will also
[00:00:18] have repercussions on the performance of the next government. Thus, we give
[00:00:22] both scenarios 50% 50%. Each scenario has
[00:00:26] its own cost. There is no scenario that is only
[00:00:32] without cost. Perhaps we can conclude regarding
[00:00:34] the digital world, alliances that it is
[00:00:37] the finance law, an increase in almost certain that the number of
[00:00:39] spending means an increase in parties forming the next alliance will not be only three, meaning perhaps
[00:00:43] in four or five, more than three. Therefore, this raises a set of
[00:00:45] problems related to the distribution of
[00:00:49] give you something and I lose 100%. The portfolios, the number of ministries, and thus, as you said, we will have a Balkanization and at the same time, pressures that create
[00:00:53] a problem in policy convergence with something else, because the more you have, the
[00:00:57] more you are forced to create portfolios.
[00:01:06] We have produced secretariats of state and other than the Ministry of Finance, we have a secretariat
[00:01:10] and a delegate minister and a minister. I think
[00:01:13] to satisfy these parties that will form
[00:01:16] is waiting for answers to a set of the next government alliance for me, I have to
[00:01:18] distribute an additional financial cost that burdens the state
[00:01:21] budget, but also this weakens public policies
[00:01:25] and weakens convergence, making government policies today
[00:01:28] heavy with procedures and additional ministries. Today, we need to
[00:01:32] reduce the number of
[00:01:35] does not, let's say, take at portfolios and move towards parity
[00:01:38] reassuring measures at for citizens through ballot boxes. This between men and women. These are the things that should be a priority. But when you go and add a larger
[00:01:41] there being a set of reassuring measures at number to your government formation, of course, you have to satisfy
[00:01:44] all spectrums. I don't think any party, no matter its size,
[00:01:48] will accept only one or two ministerial positions. Every party, because
[00:01:52] all other parties are the ones that are pressing, they have their elites who
[00:01:55] are pressing, and all elites also need to be
[00:01:58] represented more and more. The parties, this is on one hand. On the other
[00:02:01] hand, which program will we implement? Will we implement the program of the
[00:02:05] Contemporary Authenticity Party that won the elections, or the program of the Istiqlal Party, or the program of the Socialist
[00:02:09] Union? Or how will the agreement on the program be? Since
[00:02:12] we have started, we will move on to programs. Are there really
[00:02:16] fundamental differences between the programs of these
[00:02:18] parties that have now expressed their desire to be part of
[00:02:22] the government? Let me give you an example. There are no
[00:02:26] for territorial justice to be present in differences because all programs revolved around a set of points that strengthen
[00:02:35] regarding the issue of wage increases purchasing power, develop
[00:02:37] on infrastructure, enhance access
[00:02:39] citizens, the one who made this to services in education, health, and other areas with high quality. These are the basic demands of the Moroccan
[00:02:42] citizen. Demands
[00:02:45] for example, the Contemporary Authenticity Party
[00:02:48] for example, it did not go into the issue of capping the minimum wage at
[00:02:51] 5,000 dirhams. The Istiqlal Party went there. The Istiqlal Party brought
[00:02:55] 5,000 dirhams. The Rally The Rally includes the
[00:02:59] measures and efficiency in Istiqlal Party, which brought us dirhams for young people who are about to get married. Let me give you an example
[00:03:02] of how I can reconcile them. The Party
[00:03:05] The Party The Authenticity and Modernity
[00:03:08] Party said that it cannot implement the issue of capping
[00:03:12] wages, capping, because it raises problems related to
[00:03:15] investment.
[00:03:18] Raising wages, especially in Some proposed one million jobs, some proposed 750,000
[00:03:23] Immediate and urgent expectations, especially in jobs. Each party has a certain vision reducing income for the same concerns that Moroccan citizens have. So, there is another
[00:03:27] issue that we will not feel now because today we will only focus on positions
[00:03:30] and portfolios and who will board the government ship and who will disembark
[00:03:34] from it. Only then will we reach the stage of drafting
[00:03:37] a government program that everyone will agree on,
[00:03:41] and then we will move to implementation. I, in parentheses, always
[00:03:44] mean that electoral campaigns are one thing
[00:03:48] and government programs are perhaps different. To what
[00:03:52] extent is this logical? In the end, you committed to citizens
[00:03:56] and is waiting for 100 days from with certain commitments, and therefore,
[00:03:59] you said that if we lead the government, we will insist on these
[00:04:02] commitments that we put in the program. What are
[00:04:06] the things that, for you, cannot be abandoned? I will start from your words. The party
[00:04:09] or most parties today concerned with implementing its program is the one that came
[00:04:13] at the head of the government. This is its authority, but it has other constraints because it does
[00:04:17] not have an absolute majority. Because when you, as a party,
[00:04:20] will raise the issue that you
[00:04:24] only to other promises, but I will stick to contracted with me, because voting is a contract, you contracted to implement the government program. You did not give me an absolute
[00:04:28] majority, and therefore, I cannot
[00:04:31] a gradual reduction in implement the program as it was drafted, presented, and proposed
[00:04:36] will show the intention to implement this during the election campaign. It should have been voted on, and you should have given me an absolute
[00:04:38] purposes. So, in majority of 198 seats. I don't have it. So today, the broad
[00:04:43] the base of contributors to the tax system in lines, the main lines, will remain. What we ask of citizens
[00:04:48] citizens in the decisions to show good faith in is that we keep these programs and make them indicators, and we continue to evaluate government work, because evaluating
[00:04:50] government work is not only for parliament to do
[00:04:54] officially and civil
[00:04:56] society, and parties in the opposition in another way. The conscious
[00:05:00] citizen today is required
[00:05:02] pressing issue today that must be addressed in to come tomorrow and attend and vote again and choose the
[00:05:05] next government in 2031, but he must follow up on the government today,
[00:05:09] whether it has fulfilled its promises or not, so that when the election
[00:05:13] date comes, the municipal election date, he finds indicators
[00:05:17] and data to be able to discuss with
[00:05:21] today the issue is difficult for
[00:05:24] all parties, not only the Modernity and Authenticity Party,
[00:05:27] a specific program, even though this program does not deviate from the concerns.
[00:05:31] Second, the constraint that we did not address and I would like to mention now is that today
[00:05:34] the government must declare its formation not only because
[00:05:38] of the opening, because this is a constraint, but
[00:05:41] also something very important here, which is the finance law.
[00:05:45] We cannot draft a finance law while we have not
[00:05:48] yet formed the new government and we do not know the sectors we have. We
[00:05:51] cannot have the 2027 finance law come out and then we say, "Oh, the Ministry of
[00:05:55] National Education and Higher Education, we merged them, they became one, we changed the budget,"
[00:05:59] or we will separate or we will. So here, no, the government structure must be
[00:06:02] in place, on which we will base the financial structure. Therefore,
[00:06:06] today, Al-Mansouri, this is another constraint in a big way. Yes, madam,
[00:06:10] since you mentioned the constraints, it is our next topic. What are the most important challenges
[00:06:13] and constraints, and also the expectations that
[00:06:16] citizens have from the next government? Expectations and challenges, one constraint,
[00:06:20] not a constraint, but a challenge for the government. The government today must be aware
[00:06:23] that the level of citizen awareness has increased, and the issue
[00:06:27] today is that citizens have started to refer to election promises and have also started to hold accountable through
[00:06:30] ballot boxes. We have seen development and we have seen
[00:06:33] with the Liberal Party, even if partially. Therefore, all parties in the future
[00:06:37] must take into account that if they make promises to the Moroccan
[00:06:40] citizen, they must fulfill them. Therefore, if they do not fulfill election promises, they may
[00:06:44] be subject to an electoral vote, and this is a legitimate and guaranteed right
[00:06:49] is the first constraint, and therefore, the constraint related to this constraint is that
[00:06:53] your program is implemented because no party wants to be
[00:06:57] punished by voters. Madam,
[00:07:00] since you mentioned citizens, we would like to hear some of their opinions. We have gathered some
[00:07:04] opinions regarding their expectations from the next government.
[00:07:07] Let's watch.
[00:07:09] We hope for a strong, cohesive government
[00:07:13] with a strong, proactive opposition. What
[00:07:15] does the Moroccan citizen expect from these elections?
[00:07:19] Of course, public policies must serve the citizen: purchasing power,
[00:07:23] improving living standards,
[00:07:26] territorial equity. We expect the regions to be
[00:07:29] We expect Morocco not to be at two speeds,
[00:07:33] Morocco to be, meaning Morocco
[00:07:39] public policies. We expect effective,
[00:07:42] high-speed, and rapid implementation
[00:07:44] of social and economic priorities, at the forefront
[00:07:48] of which is stimulating the labor market,
[00:07:51] improving public services like health and education,
[00:07:55] and effective implementation of the program
[00:07:57] proposed by the party. The challenge
[00:08:01] today is for the Moroccan citizen to feel
[00:08:04] the impact of these policies in their daily lives
[00:08:08] through concrete
[00:08:11] implementation. We hope that this government, first of all, to
[00:08:15] be a promising government, is for the implementation of promises, because the basis of
[00:08:18] trust in political work is the implementation of promises. A lot of this government
[00:08:21] is in the field of education
[00:08:25] and health and employment as well.
[00:08:32] tax.
[00:08:35] the social aspect, when we talk about supporting citizens’
[00:08:39] purchasing power and finding solutions to curb rising prices,
[00:08:43] in addition to strengthening and reinforcing social
[00:08:46] protection, in addition to prioritizing
[00:08:49] sectors of a social nature, such as health, education, and transportation. This
[00:08:53] is in addition to expectations of an economic nature, mainly
[00:08:56] related to the necessity of creating sources of income
[00:08:59] to enhance employment opportunities. So, we have followed
[00:09:02] these opinions. An initial comment on these opinions of
[00:09:05] citizens. Everyone is waiting
[00:09:08] impatiently to see how these promises will be implemented, promises related
[00:09:18] to employment, related to wage increases, related to prices, especially fuel and so on. So, today the citizen has passed the stage of elections and is waiting
[00:09:21] with great eagerness for the formation of this government. What are its pillars and how
[00:09:24] will it deal in the first hundred days with the essentials? I think
[00:09:27] the issue of wages will be present in the first hundred days. What
[00:09:31] will the government do, especially today, and I will not stick
[00:09:36] the promise of the majority party. The majority party did not propose capping the minimum wage,
[00:09:40] but it proposed something else. It proposed
[00:09:44] income tax, and I believe that the first hundred days
[00:09:48] proposal and this promise. Therefore, perhaps it promised that this
[00:09:52] will be done gradually during the term, but at least the first
[00:09:57] implementation, because this is a challenge, because the first hundred days, the opposition
[00:10:01] will give you a grace period. The citizen will give you a grace period, and therefore, the first hundred
[00:10:05] days will be what? What are the decisions, even if they have a long-term
[00:10:08] impact? No problem. Second, I believe that the most
[00:10:14] the first hundred days, at least decisions must be taken on it, is the fuel file. I believe that today
[00:10:18] fuel exceeds 16 dirhams and has risen to 17 dirhams. It will be the first
[00:10:22] file presented to the government. It must intervene in it, for if it does not intervene, it may
[00:10:26] become a snowball that may push in another direction. So
[00:10:30] the first hundred days are crucial at the level of
[00:10:33] evaluating the work and the overall coherence and cohesion
[00:10:37] of the next government. And at the same time, even the drafting of the 2027
[00:10:41] finance law will give us an idea of the sectors that will be important,
[00:10:44] the newly created sectors, the sectors that will be merged,
[00:10:47] or abandoned. So, the citizen also awaits all these expectations,
[00:10:51] because the citizen does not have much patience. At least they need some yes. We followed
[00:10:55] the statements, everyone talks about purchasing power, meaning purchasing power has become
[00:11:10] a concern for all Moroccans. So what is expected from the next
[00:11:13] government in dealing with this file? I hope, I hope this year
[00:11:17] will be somewhat merciful to the government. I hope, first of all, in terms of rainfall, it will give it
[00:11:21] some breathing room, at least, and ease up a bit. Second,
[00:11:23] also, that the soaring fuel prices globally
[00:11:27] will decrease somewhat, especially
[00:11:30] due to the Strait of Hormuz between Ukraine and Russia
[00:11:33] and so on. But if these things do not happen, it will be a difficult year for the government today.
[00:11:37] The Moroccan citizen, as I said,
[00:11:41] questions. Was the government not taking into account that we have these constraints?
[00:11:44] How can we avoid these commitments
[00:11:48] turning into a tangible reality and not being delayed in the face of these possible
[00:11:52] transformations? Look, the citizen now has, regarding these files,
[00:11:55] now there will be a great sense of frustration if the government
[00:12:00] least some
[00:12:03] البدايه مايمكنش تمر مئه يوم يكون
[00:12:06] the beginning, at least to inaugurate
[00:12:09] the government's start. It will last five years. So today,
[00:12:13] what will it do? Even reports from research
[00:12:16] centers and the opposition will continue to be issued after one hundred days. So, one hundred days will show
[00:12:19] us whether the government
[00:12:22] bloc is serious in responding to citizens'
[00:12:25] demands or not. This is on one hand. On the other hand, we said before the 100-day
[00:12:28] deadline, the drafting of the finance law, the distribution of state budgets,
[00:12:32] are these things, is this reduction, because for example, we are talking about tax reduction
[00:12:36] that concerns wages, it must be included in the 2027
[00:12:39] finance law.
[00:12:41] Reducing certain revenues, so it requires special measures, special measures,
[00:12:45] but I think, because let's be realistic again, we have a
[00:12:48] party that represents the continuity of government
[00:12:52] work, and the person who gave us these
[00:12:55] statements
[00:13:00] and tax reduction
[00:13:04] proposal is the Minister Delegate for Finance, and therefore,
[00:13:08] he knows very well the limits
[00:13:12] of the state budget and its capacity to bear
[00:13:15] the pressure through reducing its revenues. He also knows who
[00:13:18] will compensate for these revenues. No, no, look,
[00:13:22] in some cases, in some parties, I can say
[00:13:25] this is just political outbidding. But when it
[00:13:28] comes from, for example, Mr. Fouzi Lekjaa, who is the Secretary of State,
[00:13:31] the Minister Delegate for Finance, and who has experienced this sector for years,
[00:13:35] he gave us a lot of things. He gave us things, he gave us data related to support and the value
[00:13:39] of the support that was discussed, and he also gave us a lot of data
[00:13:42] related to the budget's capacity to absorb tax burden reduction.
[00:13:46] It's a good thing. If we go by those numbers he gave us of 10 and
[00:13:49] 20%, we will set a ceiling of 20% as the maximum we will reach
[00:13:53] in terms of tax deductions.
[00:14:03] The unprecedented rise today, we have never reached 17 dirhams and 16 dirhams for
[00:14:07] diesel. We have reached it. So this will be a prominent issue because
[00:14:11] all Moroccans are waiting for the formation of the government. The opposition
[00:14:15] is also silent today. Everyone is waiting for
[00:14:18] the drafting of the finance law
[00:14:21] the government. After that, criticisms will begin, and the government must be
[00:14:24] strong enough to absorb and withstand
[00:14:27] that first shock of the opposition. Yes, the government has many
[00:14:30] open dossiers awaiting it, chief among them
[00:14:33] the 2030 World Cup project, which requires
[00:14:36] significant resources for the infrastructure
[00:14:40] we need, and so on. So how can the government balance
[00:14:43] الانفاق على البنى التحتيه وايضا التكاليف الاجتماعيه التي
[00:14:47] await it, the social protection project
[00:14:51] Of course, of course, here this is another big challenge,
[00:14:56] and I add, how can it
[00:14:59] promises to reduce income tax, but there is also work that I previously
[00:15:03] and I know that there is great work on
[00:15:08] Morocco. Let's not forget that today we have a large segment of
[00:15:13] formal sector, reaching 60 to 70%, and we have a large
[00:15:16] segment that only paid us a declarative tax, we don't know how much
[00:15:19] they pay, and we have a large segment that has cash and doesn't pay tax on it, and cash
[00:15:23] today, you know that in Morocco, the citizen
[00:15:44] employment, because the engine of the economy is spending. Spending is the engine. Purchasing power
[00:15:48] is the main determinant of job creation. I cannot create jobs if I
[00:15:52] don't have purchasing power, because what is purchasing power? Purchasing power is
[00:15:55] spending. Spending on services and spending on goods that I buy. Who
[00:15:59] provides me with services and goods? They are companies. And the more the demand for
[00:16:02] services and products increases, the more
[00:16:05] they hire people. This is through the increase,
[00:16:08] because even the increase can come back, and even the state, even if there is an increase, let's be
[00:16:12] realistic, in the language of
[00:16:17] value-added tax. An increase in spending
[00:16:19] means hiring new people and new
[00:16:23] income taxes. So, it's not just that I will
[00:16:26] state budget benefits. Not to mention that if I expand the base of
[00:16:30] contributors, the state will benefit. If I fight something, for example,
[00:16:34] cash in the market, the budget will also benefit. So, if there is
[00:16:37] seriousness in this tax reform, the budget will not
[00:16:41] lose much; on the contrary, it will benefit, and we will have large financial margins
[00:16:45] to be able to finance the social protection
[00:16:47] project and to be able to finance investments in infrastructure.
[00:16:50] Investments in infrastructure also have returns, because we are talking
[00:16:54] about productive investment. We are not just building
[00:16:58] stadiums. We are building and redeveloping
[00:17:00] tourist flows, which this year
[00:17:04] exceeded 20 million. So, this also generates additional
[00:17:08] tax revenues. So, even investment should be productive,
[00:17:11] not just investment that we use to pay salaries
[00:17:14] and does not have a cycle and does not have a return on the state
[00:17:17] budget. So, today, if there is seriousness in implementing these
[00:17:21] reforms, we will not be losing, and we can reduce these taxes and we can reach
[00:17:25] high levels in terms of strengthening
[00:17:28] challenges. There is a difference between conception and
[00:17:32] government and its cadres deal with
[00:17:36] we started the episode with politics, and perhaps we will conclude with politics.
[00:17:40] The parties are forming the government alliance
[00:17:43] now, and their eyes are on the municipal elections.
[00:17:46] How are the parties preparing for these
[00:17:49] elections that we expect in an hour? I believe
[00:17:53] that today, the issue of municipal elections is also read in light of
[00:17:56] the elections that took place, and these new
[00:18:00] forces that these elections produced will also try to
[00:18:03] strengthen their position, especially the Justice and Development Party and the
[00:18:07] Left Party, which will be a fierce opposition, because from the opposition
[00:18:10] platform, it will try to mobilize
[00:18:13] its voter base. The government, in turn,
[00:18:16] has a year to prove that the citizen who voted
[00:18:20] for it was right. Otherwise, the
[00:18:23] انتخابات الجماعيه محطه عقابيه جديده لهذه الاحزاب اذا
[00:18:26] everyone is dealing with seriousness, and I said that even the government today benefits
[00:18:30] from fulfilling its promises and from
[00:18:33] and accelerating the drafting of the finance law
[00:18:37] let's go back to the scenarios, Ben Salek, to
[00:18:41] conclude. What is the scenario most likely to happen
[00:18:44] realistically, which Moroccans are perhaps waiting for
[00:18:47] for this government to come to light? I mentioned two scenarios. The first scenario is that we will have the
[00:18:51] Authenticity and Modernity Party, the National Rally of Independents, the Istiqlal Party, and
[00:18:55] two components from the center and left will be added to it. And I give this 50%.
[00:18:59] The second is the Istiqlal
[00:19:01] Party, it is the Authenticity and Modernity Party, the Istiqlal Party, the Socialist
[00:19:04] Union, and the other parties form the bloc, with
[00:19:08] preference given to the first scenario because the first scenario has normal strength
[00:19:11] and has continuity for the government work that began
[00:19:15] during the outgoing government's term, with the addition of
[00:19:17] a political dimension through opening up to the left as well,
[00:19:21] which the government needs to face the opposition. Yes, so
[00:19:25] the coming days will reveal to us
[00:19:29] alliance that everyone is waiting for. Thank you, Professor Badr
[00:19:32] El-Zeer El-Azraq, for all these insights. Thank
[00:19:35] you, and thanks are also extended to our viewers for their kind follow-up.
[00:19:38] Until we meet again in another episode, may you be safe with God's care.