BBCNEWS — BBC News 20260915 050000 UTC 507 transcript segments Original Broadcaster Captioning (Enhanced) Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:13] Live from London. This is BBC [00:00:15] News. Anthropic co-founder says AI [00:00:17] AI firms may need a compulsory kill [00:00:20] kill switch to stop the technology [00:00:23] technology spiralling out of control. control. The public inquiry into [00:00:25] into how Lucy Letby was able to murder murder seven babies and attempt to [00:00:29] to kill seven more is due to be published [00:00:32] published today. Yemen's Houthi say [00:00:35] say Saudi Arabia launches fresh strikes strikes after the Iran backed group [00:00:39] group targeted military bases in [00:00:41] in the kingdom. Prince Harry and [00:00:44] and Meghan's police protection will will be reviewed after changing their [00:00:47] their children's school over security [00:00:49] security concerns. Also coming up, [00:00:51] up, British success at the Emmys. [00:00:54] Emmys. Matthew Rhys makes history [00:00:56] history with two best lead Actor Actor awards as Kate O'Flynn and [00:00:59] and Alan coming also take home trophies. [00:01:11] trophies. Hello and a very warm welcome [00:01:13] welcome to the programme. I'm Sally Sally Bundock, the co-founder of [00:01:17] of one of the world's biggest artificial artificial intelligence companies [00:01:19] companies has told the BBC that AI [00:01:22] AI firms may need a compulsory kill [00:01:24] kill switch to prevent the technology [00:01:27] technology spiralling out of control. control. Anthropic Jack Clark says [00:01:31] says AI is getting smarter and more more capable every few months, which [00:01:34] which could become a major risk to [00:01:36] to society. President Trump has angrily angrily rejected calls to slow down [00:01:40] down the development of AI, calling [00:01:42] calling fears it poses a threat to [00:01:45] to humanity as a big hoax. Our economics [00:01:49] economics editor, Faisal Islam reports. reports. We've made for complex. complex. One AI giant Anthropic called [00:01:53] called to slow down the AI race. race. A whistleblower and safety [00:01:57] safety experts at the company said said there was a 1 in 10 chance or [00:02:01] or higher that the technology could could kill all humans. Their boss [00:02:04] boss is this man Jack Clark, a Brit Brit and founder of the company. [00:02:07] company. Speaking exclusively to to the BBC from Silicon Valley. How [00:02:11] How have you and your industry let let this happen? What's happened [00:02:14] happened is the technology has got got substantially more powerful. [00:02:17] powerful. And those risks which were were once academic or theorised, [00:02:21] theorised, we can now see the early early signs of them. What do you [00:02:24] you specifically think? Here? Is [00:02:25] Is the risk sort of swarms of AI [00:02:29] AI taking over the internet, closing closing down power stations or wiping [00:02:32] wiping out financial institutions? institutions? I think it's time to [00:02:35] to sort of spell out what it practically practically means. For basic risk [00:02:39] risk is how well do you fancy your your chances at being able to deal [00:02:42] deal with the risks of a system that that is 100 times smarter than the [00:02:46] the smartest person on the planet? planet? I think that your chance [00:02:49] chance of dealing with that and getting getting out in a safe way is pretty [00:02:53] pretty low. So high level you need [00:02:56] need to control AI as a technology technology because you're making making things that might be smarter [00:02:59] smarter than people, things that that are smarter than people could could be really, really, really dangerous. [00:03:03] dangerous. It raises the question question of some sort of kill switch. switch. I mean, have you guys got [00:03:07] got one? Can you pull the plug? I [00:03:11] I think most most labs have different different ways of being able to pull pull the plug. And yes, of course [00:03:15] course we have systems in place for for this, but this is the kind of [00:03:17] of thing that you want to feed into into the larger policy conversation. [00:03:21] conversation. Should you mandate mandate that companies definitely definitely have a kill switch? And [00:03:24] And is that kill switch verifiable verifiable by a third party? I think think that's the kind of thing that [00:03:28] that society is going to want to to know and might want to eventually [00:03:31] eventually pass rules around. But But it may already be too late. It's [00:03:35] It's not too late and I don't believe [00:03:37] believe that we're yet at this maximal [00:03:40] maximal kind of danger zone. But But we are close enough that we need [00:03:43] need to be taking this seriously seriously and having national level [00:03:46] level public conversations about about it. The bosses of the rest [00:03:49] rest of the industry have joined joined Anthropic from Elon Musk and [00:03:53] and ChatGPT maker OpenAI, agreeing [00:03:54] agreeing on some sort of slowdown. slowdown. President Trump, on the [00:03:58] the other hand, did not criticising criticising the company, saying fears [00:04:01] fears were a hoax and that the only only control needed was him. We're [00:04:05] We're seeing increasing calls for [00:04:08] for nations to get together and establish establish some base rules around [00:04:12] around this, and this has happened happened in the past with technologies [00:04:15] technologies which we call dual use use that can be used for good and [00:04:17] and ill. And let's not forget AI AI is going to deliver extraordinary [00:04:21] extraordinary benefits to us, but but we need to be very alert to the [00:04:24] the harms to. Right now, AI investment investment seems to be boosting the [00:04:28] the UK economy and there are some some promises of AI cures for cancer. [00:04:32] cancer. Jack Clark team, though, [00:04:34] though, said unchecked the economic economic impact could be unprecedented. [00:04:37] unprecedented. White collar unemployment. unemployment. When you put it all [00:04:41] all together, is it really worth worth it? Does it cause you sleepless [00:04:44] sleepless nights? What might happen? [00:04:47] happen? I mean, of course we have have to get this right. I think if [00:04:50] if we get this technology right, [00:04:53] right, we are going to change the the world in so many positive ways. [00:04:57] ways. We are going to genuinely change change the face of science, change [00:05:00] change the face of healthcare. We're We're going to expand the frontiers [00:05:03] frontiers of what you or I or any any of our children could ever do. [00:05:06] do. And if we get it wrong, we are [00:05:10] are going to massively disrupt the the economy immiserated people and [00:05:14] and potentially cause harm. The message message that the world still has [00:05:17] has choices over the pace of artificial artificial intelligence. But time [00:05:20] time is running out. Faisal Islam, [00:05:22] Islam, BBC News. And the stark warnings [00:05:25] warnings about AI comes amid a race race between America and China to [00:05:29] to become the dominant player in in the market. President Xi is due [00:05:32] due to visit Washington later this this month. Our China correspondent [00:05:36] correspondent in Beijing, Laura Bicker, Bicker, is following the developments. [00:05:39] developments. When it comes to a a slowdown in China hasn't explicitly [00:05:43] explicitly reacted to that. What What they have said is they've pushed [00:05:47] pushed back against any claims that [00:05:49] that China's development in artificial [00:05:51] artificial intelligence poses any [00:05:54] any international security risks. risks. However, it is worth pointing [00:05:57] pointing out that this debate has [00:06:00] has erupted at a time when the two two superpowers are scheduled to [00:06:03] to meet. There was that meeting here [00:06:05] here in China earlier this year, [00:06:07] year, and now Donald Trump will welcome welcome Xi Jinping is scheduled to [00:06:10] to welcome Xi Jinping next week. week. So there is a lot of pressure pressure on both leaders to come [00:06:14] come up with some kind of plan. China [00:06:18] China has long advocated for more more global governance of artificial [00:06:22] artificial intelligence. President President Xi Jinping did it again [00:06:24] again at a summit in India at the [00:06:28] the weekend, calling for an international international framework and for more [00:06:31] more sharing of technology. And I I think that is where there is going [00:06:35] going to be many sticking points points because when it comes to both [00:06:38] both countries approach to AI, it [00:06:40] it is very, very different. China China advocates a more open source [00:06:43] source approach sharing of technology technology where it will help innovation. [00:06:47] innovation. But China may also see see any calls for a slowdown as a [00:06:51] a way to curb its development. Laura [00:06:54] Laura Bicker there in Beijing. Well, Well, the tech expert Lisa Martin [00:06:57] Martin gave us her reaction to the the kill switch statement. What we [00:07:01] we need globally when we think about [00:07:03] about AI, I really leaned into what [00:07:05] what Jack Clark said because I think [00:07:09] think regardless, every company needs [00:07:11] needs an ability to stop AI. I do [00:07:13] do think the kill switch term, I [00:07:16] I think it makes it sound simpler [00:07:18] simpler than it is. But if you like [00:07:20] like distil this issue, the biggest biggest issue here is human control. [00:07:24] control. We know that AI is moving [00:07:26] moving so fast right from answering answering our questions to now taking [00:07:29] taking actions for us with AI. So [00:07:32] So we're not just giving these systems systems more intelligence any more, [00:07:35] more, we're giving them more authority [00:07:38] authority and authority is is access [00:07:40] access to data, to software, to networks. [00:07:43] networks. So what I want to know [00:07:44] know from every tech company is what [00:07:47] what can your AI access? What is is it authorised to do and not to [00:07:51] to do? Who can revoke that authority? [00:07:55] authority? And can you contain it it or stop it if something goes wrong? [00:07:58] wrong? I think Jack Clark makes a a very important point. Like don't [00:08:01] don't just take the AI company's company's word for it. And I believe [00:08:04] believe this firmly. Test it right, right, audit it independently verify [00:08:07] verify it. I say yes because if we [00:08:10] we give the AI the authority to act, act, which we are doing more and [00:08:14] and more humans have got to remain remain the authority to stop it. [00:08:18] it. OK. Now we've mentioned that [00:08:20] that President Xi is coming to the the United States at the end of the [00:08:24] the month. He's going to have a meeting meeting with President Trump. They They have an awful lot on their agenda, [00:08:28] agenda, but this is bound to be discussed. [00:08:30] discussed. I just wonder to what [00:08:32] what extent we could hope for the [00:08:35] the two seeing eye to eye on this [00:08:37] this matter. Interestingly, over over the weekend we had the first [00:08:41] first public statement in China from [00:08:43] from the Ministry of State Security, Security, which detailed threats [00:08:47] threats the technology presents to [00:08:49] to China, including China's cyber cyber defences, sensitive data and [00:08:53] and military apparatus. So there [00:08:55] there are some warnings in China [00:08:58] China as well. There's also warnings warnings here in America like what [00:09:02] what when President Trump said on [00:09:04] on Sunday, he said whoever wins AI [00:09:06] AI wins. And I that concerned me [00:09:10] me because, well, we know that I'm. I'm. And I'm here in Silicon Valley, [00:09:13] Valley, America can't slow down while while we let China keep racing ahead. [00:09:17] ahead. But I do think President Trump Trump has a point about the stakes, [00:09:21] stakes, right? He talks about AI AI leadership, but what it means [00:09:25] means more and more is beyond geopolitical geopolitical power. It's economic [00:09:28] economic power. It's also military [00:09:31] military power and geopolitical. geopolitical. Lucy Martin there. [00:09:34] there. Well, there's a lot to discuss discuss on this subject in business. business. Of course, we'll unpack [00:09:38] unpack it. There's been tech stocks stocks sell off on markets, etc it's [00:09:41] it's all there. So that's coming coming a little later. Now here in [00:09:45] in the UK, the findings from a public public inquiry into how Lucy Letby [00:09:49] Letby was able to repeatedly murder [00:09:51] murder and harm babies will be published [00:09:53] published today. The Thirlwall Inquiry [00:09:55] Inquiry was set up to look into what [00:09:58] what happened at the Countess of [00:10:02] of Chester Hospital between 2015 2015 and 2016, while Letby was working [00:10:05] working as a nurse in the neonatal [00:10:07] neonatal unit. Now aged 36 years [00:10:10] years old, she's serving 15 whole [00:10:11] whole life prison terms. The inquiry [00:10:14] inquiry was not tasked with examining [00:10:16] examining Letby guilt. Lauren Moss Moss has this report. The offences [00:10:20] offences of murder and attempted attempted murder have been identified [00:10:23] identified and you have been identified identified as a suspect of these [00:10:26] these offences. Lucy Letby, seen seen here on police body camera footage [00:10:30] footage arrested at her home on suspicion suspicion of murdering vulnerable [00:10:33] vulnerable babies on a neonatal hospital hospital ward. You're going to have have to go to the police station [00:10:37] station to be questioned about these these allegations. Being a nurse [00:10:41] nurse was her dream job. And is it [00:10:43] it a job that you enjoyed? I love [00:10:48] love my job. She would go on to be [00:10:51] be convicted of murdering seven babies, babies, making her the UK's most [00:10:55] most prolific child serial killer [00:10:57] killer of modern times. Now the findings findings of an inquiry looking into [00:11:01] into how Letby was able to harm those those in her care but not reviewing [00:11:05] reviewing her convictions will be be published later. This whole process [00:11:09] process has been very, very difficult difficult and at times very, very [00:11:12] very traumatic for them. Lawyer Richard Richard Scorer represents some of [00:11:15] of the babies families. It's very [00:11:19] very clear that there were serious [00:11:22] serious failings and the responsibility responsibility for ensuring that that the police were brought in and [00:11:25] and brought in at an early stage stage when it was clear that there [00:11:28] there was potential criminal activity, activity, that responsibility ultimately [00:11:31] ultimately rested with the senior senior managers and they failed. [00:11:35] failed. Between June 2015 and 2016, 2016, a number of babies collapsed [00:11:38] collapsed and died at the Countess Countess of Chester Hospital. In [00:11:42] In August 2023, Lucy Letby was found found guilty of murdering seven babies [00:11:45] babies and the attempted murder of of six others. A year later, she [00:11:48] she was convicted of the attempted attempted murder of a seventh baby [00:11:52] baby and is serving 15 whole life [00:11:54] life sentences in prison. The government government launched the Thirwall [00:11:57] Thirwall inquiry into what happened happened and hearings began in September [00:12:01] September 2024. They concluded in [00:12:03] in March last year and the report report will be published later. It [00:12:06] It is not the actions of Lucy Letby [00:12:10] Letby that I am scrutinising. It [00:12:11] It is the actions of all those who [00:12:14] who were in the hospital. What they they did at the time, in the light [00:12:18] light of what they knew at the time time and in the light of what they [00:12:21] they should have known at the time. time. The inquiry is taking place [00:12:25] place while a campaign by some to [00:12:27] to prove Lucy Libby's innocence has has grown in the background, her [00:12:30] her legal team wants her convictions convictions reviewed and a group [00:12:34] group of medical experts have questioned questioned the evidence. In summary, [00:12:37] summary, ladies and gentlemen, we we did not find any murders. The [00:12:41] The families of Libby's victims who who suffered at the Countess of Chester [00:12:44] Chester Hospital. They say they hope hope the inquiry leads to lasting [00:12:48] lasting change. The legal reality reality is that Lucy Letby has been [00:12:51] been convicted. We have these long, [00:12:53] long, often long running and often [00:12:56] often expensive inquiries, and they're they're very important for learning [00:12:59] learning lessons. But often the recommendations recommendations are never implemented [00:13:02] implemented and it's a betrayal not [00:13:04] not just of the people who've suffered suffered in these cases. Families [00:13:08] Families like those I represent. represent. It's actually betrayal [00:13:11] betrayal of the public. The inquiry's inquiry's conclusions will be published [00:13:14] published this afternoon. Lauren [00:13:16] Lauren Moss, BBC News. Now the latest [00:13:19] latest on what's going on in the the Gulf. Yemen's Houthi movement [00:13:23] movement says Saudi Arabia has launched launched renewed air strikes across [00:13:26] across the west of the country after after the Iran backed group announced [00:13:30] announced it targeted military bases bases in the kingdom. The Houthis [00:13:34] Houthis said the Saudi attacks hit [00:13:36] hit areas including Taiz, al-Jawf al-Jawf and Hodeida. The group had [00:13:40] had earlier targeted the King Khalid Khalid air base in southern Saudi [00:13:44] Saudi Arabia. The extent of the damage damage in both attacks has not been [00:13:47] been verified, and there's been no no reaction from Riyadh. Last week, [00:13:51] week, the Houthis seized control [00:13:53] control of Yemen's Red Sea coast [00:13:55] coast and Bab al-Mandab Strait from from Jerusalem. Here's our Middle [00:13:59] Middle East correspondent Hugo Bachega. [00:14:01] Bachega. The Houthis say they fired fired dozens of missiles and drones [00:14:05] drones at a military base in southern southern Saudi Arabia, targeting [00:14:09] targeting radar systems, runways runways and ammunition depots, and [00:14:12] and there were emergency alerts issued issued by the Saudi authorities for [00:14:16] for several locations around this [00:14:18] this base. And in Yemen, government [00:14:20] government forces supported by Saudi Saudi Arabia are trying to fight [00:14:23] fight back. The Houthis have accused [00:14:26] accused Saudi Arabia of carrying [00:14:28] carrying out more than 300 air strikes [00:14:31] strikes in the past five days. This This has been a rapid advance by [00:14:34] by the Houthis, capturing a key territory [00:14:38] territory along the Red Sea. And And the fear here is that this could [00:14:41] could reignite the civil war in Yemen. [00:14:44] Yemen. The United Nations says that [00:14:47] that more than 80,000 people have have already been displaced because [00:14:51] because of the fighting, and we still still don't know if the Houthis will [00:14:54] will try to seize even more territory [00:14:56] territory or if there will be a larger [00:15:00] larger offensive by the government government and its allies. But the [00:15:03] the violence in Yemen is also putting [00:15:06] putting pressure on energy supplies supplies because the Red Sea has [00:15:09] has become a key alternative for [00:15:11] for Saudi oil exports. Given that that the Strait of Hormuz has been [00:15:15] been effectively closed because of [00:15:18] of the US war against Iran, and it [00:15:21] it isn't clear if the Houthis have have the ability or are planning [00:15:25] planning to disrupt a shipment in [00:15:28] in this vital waterway. And finally, [00:15:30] finally, reports say that a crucial [00:15:33] crucial Saudi pipeline that was struck struck in a drone attack a few days [00:15:36] days ago is likely to remain closed [00:15:40] closed for a few weeks for the damage [00:15:43] damage to be repaired, and this could [00:15:45] could squeeze oil prices even further. [00:15:49] further. Hugo Bachega there in Jerusalem. Jerusalem. Well, several Gulf states [00:15:52] states are struggling amid the stalemate [00:15:54] stalemate between the US and Iran. [00:15:56] Iran. Alia Al-Khaled is a former former member of Kuwait's National [00:15:59] National Assembly and explained how [00:16:01] how her country is being [00:16:05] affected. Kuwait air Defence has has repeatedly intercepted Iranian Iranian ballistic missiles and drones, [00:16:09] drones, and some of those strikes strikes affected energy facilities [00:16:12] facilities and have caused some infrastructure infrastructure damage and electricity, [00:16:15] electricity, electricity plants and and some oil fields and multiple [00:16:19] multiple injuries among personnel [00:16:21] personnel and workers at those areas. [00:16:24] areas. The blockage of the Strait [00:16:26] Strait of Hormuz by Iran has severely [00:16:30] severely restricted Kuwait primary primary shipping lanes, causing a [00:16:33] a backlog in oil exports and increasing [00:16:37] increasing state revenues. So therefore, [00:16:40] therefore, to combat mounting budget [00:16:43] budget deficit that Kuwait is suffering [00:16:46] suffering from and massive reconstruction reconstruction costs, the Kuwaiti [00:16:50] Kuwaiti government issued emergency [00:16:53] emergency decrees allowing it to [00:16:56] to borrow up to 10% from its future [00:16:59] future Generation Fund. We'll have [00:17:03] have more on oil prices and the impact impact on the economy and business [00:17:05] business also still to come. British [00:17:08] British success at the Emmys. Matthew Matthew Rhys makes history with two [00:17:12] two best lead Actor awards as Cato [00:17:15] Cato Flynn and Alan coming also take take home trophies [00:18:20] with hyper. Join me Martin Sharkey [00:18:21] Sharkey I'll take now on BBC News. [00:18:30] News. You're [00:18:35] You're with BBC News. Prince Harry has complained repeatedly about about the removal of the security [00:18:37] security he had as an active royal. royal. He said it has left him and [00:18:40] and his family at risk, even unsuccessfully [00:18:44] unsuccessfully challenging it in in the courts. It's now emerged his [00:18:47] his security and for him in the family family is going to be reviewed. The [00:18:50] The committee, which oversees royal [00:18:52] royal and VIP security known as Ravec, [00:18:54] Ravec, is to reconsider the level level of police protection in the [00:18:58] the UK. Ellie Price has more. It [00:19:01] It was the first glimpse into the the new life of the Sussex family. [00:19:05] family. An Instagram video posted [00:19:06] posted by Meghan, Duchess of Sussex Sussex showing five-year-old Lilibet [00:19:10] Lilibet and seven-year-old Archie Archie their faces hidden enjoying [00:19:14] enjoying a trip out. But now a spokesperson spokesperson for the family has confirmed [00:19:17] confirmed the children have had to to change schools. Just days into [00:19:20] into the new school term. The locations locations of the schools were of [00:19:23] of course kept private, but even even so, it's understood that there [00:19:27] there were concerns from the family's family's security team about the [00:19:31] the practicalities of their first first choice. Prince Harry and his [00:19:34] his wife Meghan lost their publicly publicly funded security when they [00:19:37] they stepped back from royal duties [00:19:38] duties and moved to the US in January [00:19:41] January 2020. The Duke of Sussex Sussex appealed that decision, made [00:19:44] made by Ravec, an independent body body overseen by the Home Office. [00:19:48] Office. In the court last May and and lost. For the time being. It's [00:19:52] It's impossible for me to take my my family back to the UK. I can't [00:19:55] can't see a world in which I would would be bringing my wife and children [00:19:59] children back to the UK at this point. point. Is it totally normal? But [00:20:01] But this summer the family did come come back first on holiday where [00:20:05] where Harry appeared at various charity charity events. And now for what's [00:20:08] what's been described as an extended extended period of time. As a result, [00:20:11] result, it's understood the Sussexes Sussexes will be given a review of [00:20:14] of their publicly funded security security now that they are full-time [00:20:18] full-time residents rather than visitors. visitors. The King has made clear [00:20:21] clear the pair will not be working working royals and will not carry [00:20:25] carry out official engagements. But But their security may yet be stepped [00:20:28] stepped up as if they were Ellie [00:20:30] Ellie Price. BBC News. Let's bring bring you some other stories making [00:20:34] making headlines. The US military military has confirmed it has weapons [00:20:37] weapons deployed in space. 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It It was also closed in August for [00:21:22] for almost a week. TV's biggest night [00:21:25] night the Primetime Emmy Awards, Awards, have been taking place in [00:21:29] in Los Angeles. Winners include talk [00:21:31] talk show host Stephen Colbert. The [00:21:34] The total number of trophies awarded [00:21:36] awarded this year has been reduced, reduced, with some categories merged. [00:21:40] merged. Allison Janney. You might might remember her from The West [00:21:43] West Wing, made history with her her eighth award. She won Outstanding [00:21:46] Outstanding Supporting Actress in [00:21:48] in the drama The. Meanwhile, it was [00:21:51] was the Welsh actor Matthew Rhys [00:21:53] Rhys who has made all the headlines [00:21:55] headlines because he has made history [00:21:58] history winning two lead actor categories categories in the same night for [00:22:01] for the very first time. And this [00:22:02] this is for his work in Widow's Bay [00:22:06] Bay and The Beast In Me. The pop pop star Taylor Swift missed the [00:22:09] the Emmy Awards in favour of an NFL [00:22:12] NFL game as she cheered on her husband, [00:22:15] husband, Travis Kelce. However, she she did appear in a video like a [00:22:19] a cameo appearance which was very very entertaining indeed. Our North [00:22:21] North America correspondent David David Willis is in LA and has the [00:22:25] the latest. Very big night for Widow's [00:22:27] Widow's Bay and as you mentioned mentioned that is a hit TV series [00:22:31] series that four months ago nobody [00:22:34] nobody here had even heard of. But [00:22:36] But it has become a smash hit both [00:22:39] both with the critics and with viewers. [00:22:41] viewers. Very much a word-of-mouth [00:22:44] word-of-mouth hit if you like, but [00:22:46] but it picked up 14 Emmy Awards tonight, [00:22:50] tonight, including, as you mentioned, mentioned, one for Matthew Rhys. [00:22:53] Rhys. He got two Emmys in total. [00:22:56] total. And that sets a record. He [00:22:58] He also is the first actor to win [00:23:02] win awards in all three Emmy genre [00:23:07] genre categories for the for acting, [00:23:09] acting, for comedy, for drama and [00:23:11] and for limited series. So a very, [00:23:13] very, very big night for him and [00:23:17] and also for his co-star Kate O'Flynn, [00:23:20] O'Flynn, who plays alongside him [00:23:22] him in Widow's Bay. She was nominated [00:23:25] nominated for her first Emmy and [00:23:26] and she won it and she said it was [00:23:29] was a dream come true. Yeah, fantastic [00:23:32] fantastic win. The Brits did really [00:23:35] really well. Talk us through some [00:23:37] some of the other winners and highlights. [00:23:40] highlights. Well, I tell you what, [00:23:43] what, there was a record at risk [00:23:46] risk tonight that involved. Gene [00:23:47] Gene sharp, who of course has played [00:23:50] played in Hacks since the series [00:23:52] series began. And Hacks started out [00:23:55] out the night with a slew of nominations, [00:23:59] nominations, but it was up against against Widow's Bay in that comedy [00:24:02] comedy category. And basically the [00:24:04] the fifth and final season went largely [00:24:07] largely unmarked, although she did [00:24:08] did get as the star of the show a [00:24:11] a fifth consecutive award, a Gary [00:24:13] Gary Oldman. You mentioned Brits [00:24:15] Brits there was up for a best actor [00:24:18] actor for the third year in succession [00:24:21] succession for his portrayal of the [00:24:24] the spymaster in Slow Horses, but but he was beaten to the post for [00:24:28] for a third time by the star of The [00:24:30] The Pitt. Noah Wyle. It's worth mentioning [00:24:33] mentioning The Pitt Sally because [00:24:35] because that went into these nominations [00:24:39] nominations with 25 nominees and and in actual fact it picked up as [00:24:42] as well. The best actor and the best [00:24:45] best drama, which is the biggest biggest award, of course, of the [00:24:48] the night at the Emmys. And I know know it was a very, very moving moment [00:24:52] moment when Michael J. Fox appeared [00:24:54] appeared on stage in his wheelchair. wheelchair. He was given a standing [00:24:58] standing ovation as he received the the Bob Hope Humanitarian Award for [00:25:02] for his tireless campaigning for [00:25:04] for Parkinson's disease. A very moving [00:25:08] moving moment. One of a number Michael [00:25:10] Michael J. Fox making a very humble [00:25:14] humble speech and having a standing [00:25:16] standing ovation as he took to the [00:25:18] the stage. The Peacock Theater in in downtown Los Angeles tonight. [00:25:22] tonight. A tribute was also paid. paid. As you'd expect, to Dolly Parton, [00:25:26] Parton, who passed away three weeks [00:25:29] weeks ago and president on stage [00:25:31] stage as well. Tonight were three [00:25:34] three of the original members of [00:25:37] of Charlie's Angels. Remember that [00:25:38] that they were marking the 50th anniversary [00:25:42] anniversary of that hit TV show. [00:25:45] show. 50 Years of Charlie's Angels. Angels. That's fantastic. David Willis Willis there. Well, let's just show [00:25:49] show you the image of Michael J. J. Fox. It's on our website with [00:25:52] with all the lowdown on the Emmys. Emmys. You can see all the detail detail and the photographs and the [00:25:56] the pictures and all the glamour glamour and the glitz. He's now 65 [00:26:00] 65 years old, Michael J. Fox, who who got a standing ovation at the [00:26:03] the event. The Bob Hope Humanitarian [00:27:37] it looks like being dry and sunny. [00:29:42] people coping? For more coverage [00:29:43] coverage join me James Landale here [00:29:47] here on BBC News. MUSIC [00:29:57] MUSIC [00:30:04] Now on BBC News. 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