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[00:00:10] Live from London this is BBC
[00:00:12] News. I'm Karin Giannone. The authorities authorities in Lithuania spend the
[00:00:16] the night searching for
[00:00:21] For debris after a drone entered EU airspace and was shot shot down by Nato jets. The co-founder
[00:00:25] co-founder of Anthropic says AI firms firms may need a compulsory kill
[00:00:28] kill switch to stop the technology
[00:00:30] technology spiralling out of control. control. The public inquiry into
[00:00:33] into how former nurse Lucy Letby Letby was able to murder seven babies
[00:00:37] babies and attempt to kill seven seven more is due to publish its
[00:00:41] its findings. I'm Sally Bundock coming
[00:00:44] coming up in business Labour market market under pressure as the number
[00:00:46] number of UK workers on the payroll
[00:00:48] payroll falls, especially in retail
[00:00:51] retail and hospitality. And Prince Prince Harry and Meghan's police
[00:00:54] police protection is to be reviewed reviewed as they change their children's
[00:00:59] children's school over security concerns.
[00:01:09] concerns. Hello. The President of
[00:01:12] of Lithuania says Nato fighter jets jets have shot down a drone that
[00:01:16] that entered the country's airspace airspace overnight. It's the latest
[00:01:19] latest security incident in the Baltic Baltic states since Russia launched
[00:01:22] launched its full-scale invasion invasion of Ukraine in 2022. In a
[00:01:26] a separate development, Poland's Poland's armed forces say they launched
[00:01:29] launched military operations to secure secure their airspace as a preventative
[00:01:33] preventative measure. It comes as
[00:01:35] as Moscow launches jet powered drone drone attacks on Ukraine. The head
[00:01:39] head of the country's state Post Post Office has told the BBC that
[00:01:43] that Russia is deliberately targeting targeting his branches and delivery
[00:01:46] delivery vans. Our diplomatic correspondent
[00:01:49] correspondent James Landale in Kyiv Kyiv explains more. Well, what we
[00:01:52] we know about this, this drone flying flying into Lithuanian airspace is
[00:01:56] is that it came from the West. It It came through Belarus. It was detected
[00:02:00] detected by Nato fighters. There's There's a whole separate Nato mission
[00:02:03] mission there to protect the Baltic Baltic states from this kind of thing.
[00:02:06] thing. The as you say, the drone drone was shot down. It landed in
[00:02:09] in a rural area in the sort of central central southern part of Lithuania.
[00:02:13] Lithuania. Now nobody knows the origin
[00:02:16] origin of this drone. But as you
[00:02:17] you say, the President of Lithuania, Lithuania, Mr Nauseda, said that
[00:02:21] that look, we know with increasing
[00:02:22] increasing Russian aggression, Lithuania
[00:02:25] Lithuania has to be protective of of these kinds of things. So the
[00:02:28] the hint that he's making is that that this was a Russian drone. James,
[00:02:32] James, how much concern is this causing causing these countries that border
[00:02:36] border Ukraine, which belong to the
[00:02:38] the EU and Nato? Well, I mean, look,
[00:02:42] look, this is a familiar occurrence occurrence now throughout this war, war, which we should remember is
[00:02:45] is now in its fifth year, there have
[00:02:47] have been drone incursions into Nato Nato territory and other European
[00:02:51] European countries. And those drones
[00:02:54] drones have been there for a variety variety of reasons. Sometimes it's
[00:02:57] it's just the spill-over of a conflict conflict in, in Europe, the fact
[00:03:01] fact that there are drones and missiles missiles in the skies, that means
[00:03:03] means sometimes they go wrong, sometimes sometimes they lose control, sometimes
[00:03:06] sometimes by mistake, sometimes deliberately deliberately as a result of electronic
[00:03:09] electronic countermeasures and air air defences. And sometimes drones drones can just fly off and they
[00:03:13] they just keep flying until they they are taken down and they go into
[00:03:16] into Nato territory. So that's just, just, you know, the spill-over of
[00:03:19] of war. But at the same time, Russia
[00:03:23] Russia has been deliberately launching launching drones into Nato territory
[00:03:26] territory to test Nato, to probe
[00:03:27] probe Nato, part of the whole sort
[00:03:30] sort of systemic attempt by Russia Russia to do this, whether it's in
[00:03:33] in the skies, whether it's under under the water, attacking undersea
[00:03:36] undersea cables, whether it's in in cyberspace and the information
[00:03:39] information space. I think these these drone incursions are seen as
[00:03:42] as part of that. Other times there there might be other reasons. If
[00:03:45] If you remember last week there was
[00:03:48] was a Russian drone detected in Moldova
[00:03:50] Moldova exactly at the same time time that President Zelensky was
[00:03:53] was on the tarmac at Chisinau airport
[00:03:55] airport preparing to fly to Canada. Canada. And his flight was delayed
[00:03:59] delayed because of that Russian incursion. incursion. Was that deliberate? Nobody
[00:04:01] Nobody knows. But this is a frequent
[00:04:04] frequent occurrence. James, inside inside Ukraine itself. Tell us about
[00:04:07] about how Russia is increasingly increasingly targeting softer infrastructure.
[00:04:11] infrastructure. We've seen those those attacks on trains. You've also
[00:04:13] also been looking at what it's doing
[00:04:15] doing to the postal network. Yeah,
[00:04:20] Yeah, look, we're at the middle of of a pretty substantial Russian escalation
[00:04:23] escalation at the moment. It began began at the end of August with the
[00:04:27] the attacks on Kyiv and elsewhere elsewhere moving from daytime attacks
[00:04:30] attacks to almost round the clock clock daytime attacks, greater use
[00:04:34] use of fast jet powered drones, more
[00:04:37] more attacks on civilian infrastructure
[00:04:39] infrastructure warehouses, businesses businesses obviously energy facilities
[00:04:41] facilities and as you say, trains trains and border positions that
[00:04:44] that we saw over the weekend. But
[00:04:46] But we've been out and talking to
[00:04:49] to people who work for the Postal
[00:04:51] Postal Service here, the State Postal
[00:04:53] Postal Service is a crucial part
[00:04:56] part of the Ukrainian state holding holding together this war torn country.
[00:04:59] country. It doesn't just deliver, deliver, you know, letters and parcels.
[00:05:02] parcels. This is a service that provides
[00:05:05] provides pensions in cash based societies. societies. It allows people to pay
[00:05:09] pay their own bills. It provides provides medicines and food to really
[00:05:13] really remote rural areas. And they
[00:05:16] they have been attacked by Russia Russia as well, not just the actual
[00:05:19] actual vans that the postmen and and women are using to deliver these
[00:05:22] these services, but also the postal
[00:05:25] postal services, the distribution distribution listed logistics centres
[00:05:27] centres and the like. And it's just
[00:05:30] just part of the warp and weft of
[00:05:32] of life here in Ukraine under attack
[00:05:34] attack from Russia. James Landale,
[00:05:37] Landale, the co-founder of one of of the world's biggest artificial
[00:05:41] artificial intelligence companies, companies, told the BBC that AI firms
[00:05:44] firms may need a compulsory kill
[00:05:45] kill switch to prevent the technology
[00:05:48] technology spiralling out of control. control. Anthropic Jack Clark says
[00:05:52] says AI is getting smarter and more more capable every few months, which
[00:05:56] which could become a major risk to
[00:05:58] to society. President Trump has angrily angrily rejected calls to slow down
[00:06:02] down the development of AI, describing describing fears that it poses a
[00:06:05] a threat to humanity as a big hoax.
[00:06:08] hoax. Our economics editor Faisal
[00:06:11] Faisal Islam reports. We've made made for complex. AI giant Anthropic
[00:06:14] Anthropic called to slow down the the AI race. A whistleblower and
[00:06:18] and safety experts at the company company said there was a 1 in 10
[00:06:21] 10 chance or higher that the technology technology could kill all humans.
[00:06:24] humans. Their boss is this man Jack Jack Clark, a Brit and founder of
[00:06:28] of the company. Speaking exclusively exclusively to the BBC from Silicon
[00:06:31] Silicon Valley. How have you and and your industry let this happen?
[00:06:35] happen? What's happened is the technology technology has got substantially
[00:06:38] substantially more powerful and those those risks which were once academic
[00:06:41] academic or theorised, we can now now see the early signs of them.
[00:06:45] them. What do you specifically think? think? Here? Is the risk sort of
[00:06:49] of swarms of AI taking over the internet, internet, closing down power stations
[00:06:52] stations or wiping out financial financial institutions? I think it's
[00:06:56] it's time to sort of spell out what what it practically means. For basic
[00:07:00] basic risk is how well do you fancy fancy your chances at being able
[00:07:03] able to deal with the risks of a a system that is 100 times smarter
[00:07:06] smarter than the smartest person person on the planet? I think that
[00:07:09] that your chance of dealing with with that and getting out in a safe
[00:07:13] safe way is pretty low. So high level
[00:07:16] level you need to control AI as a a technology because you're making
[00:07:19] making things that might be smarter smarter than people, things that that are smarter than people could
[00:07:23] could be really, really, really dangerous. dangerous. It raises the question question of some sort of kill switch.
[00:07:27] switch. I mean, have you guys got
[00:07:29] got one? Can you pull the plug? I
[00:07:32] I think most most labs have different different ways of being able to pull pull the plug. And yes, of course
[00:07:36] course we have systems in place for for this, but this is the kind of
[00:07:39] of thing that you want to feed into into the larger policy conversation.
[00:07:42] conversation. Should you mandate mandate that companies definitely definitely have a kill switch? And
[00:07:45] And is that kill switch verifiable verifiable by a third party? I think think that's the kind of thing that
[00:07:49] that society is going to want to to know and might want to eventually
[00:07:52] eventually pass rules around. But But it may already be too late. It's
[00:07:56] It's not too late and I don't believe
[00:07:58] believe that we're yet at this maximal
[00:08:01] maximal kind of danger zone. But But we are close enough that we need
[00:08:04] need to be taking this seriously seriously and having national level
[00:08:08] level public conversations about about it. The bosses of the rest
[00:08:11] rest of the industry have joined joined Anthropic from Elon Musk and
[00:08:14] and ChatGPT maker OpenAI, agreeing agreeing on some sort of slowdown.
[00:08:18] slowdown. President Trump, on the the other hand, did not criticising
[00:08:21] criticising the company, saying fears fears were a hoax and that the only
[00:08:24] only control needed was him. We're
[00:08:26] We're seeing increasing calls for
[00:08:30] for nations to get together and establish establish some base rules around
[00:08:33] around this, and this has happened happened in the past with technologies technologies which we call dual use
[00:08:37] use that can be used for good and and ill. And let's not forget AI
[00:08:41] AI is going to deliver extraordinary extraordinary benefits to us, but
[00:08:43] but we need to be very alert to the
[00:08:46] the harms to. Right now, AI investment investment seems to be boosting the
[00:08:49] the UK economy and there are some some promises of AI cures for cancer.
[00:08:53] cancer. Jack Clark team, though,
[00:08:55] though, said unchecked the economic economic impact could be unprecedented.
[00:08:58] unprecedented. White collar unemployment.
[00:09:00] unemployment. When you put it all all together, is it really worth
[00:09:04] worth it? Does it cause you sleepless
[00:09:05] sleepless nights? What might happen?
[00:09:08] happen? I mean, of course we have have to get this right. I think if
[00:09:12] if we get this technology right,
[00:09:14] right, we are going to change the
[00:09:16] the world in so many positive ways.
[00:09:18] ways. We are going to genuinely change change the face of science, change
[00:09:22] change the face of healthcare. We're We're going to expand the frontiers
[00:09:24] frontiers of what you or I or any any of our children could ever do.
[00:09:27] do. And if we get it wrong, we are
[00:09:31] are going to massively disrupt the the economy and misery people and
[00:09:35] and potentially cause harm. The message message that the world still has
[00:09:38] has choices over the pace of artificial artificial intelligence. But time
[00:09:41] time is running out. Faisal Islam,
[00:09:44] Islam, BBC News. Tech expert Lisa
[00:09:46] Lisa Martin gave her reaction to
[00:09:48] to that kill switch statement. What
[00:09:51] What we need globally when we think think about AI, I really leaned into
[00:09:55] into what Jack Clark said because
[00:09:58] because I think regardless, every every company needs an ability to
[00:10:02] to stop AI. I do think the kill switch
[00:10:05] switch term, I think it makes it
[00:10:07] it sound simpler than it is. But
[00:10:09] But if you distil this issue, the
[00:10:11] the biggest issue here is human control. control. We know that AI is moving
[00:10:15] moving so fast right from answering
[00:10:18] answering our questions to now taking
[00:10:20] taking actions for us with AI. So
[00:10:22] So we're not just giving these systems systems more intelligence any more,
[00:10:25] more, we're giving them more authority.
[00:10:27] authority. And authority is is access
[00:10:30] access to data, to software, to networks.
[00:10:33] networks. So what I want to know
[00:10:34] know from every tech company is what
[00:10:37] what can your AI access? What is
[00:10:39] is it authorised to do and not to
[00:10:41] to do? Who can revoke that authority?
[00:10:45] authority? And can you contain it it or stop it if something goes wrong?
[00:10:48] wrong? I think Jack Clark makes a a very important point. Like don't
[00:10:51] don't just take the AI company's company's word for it. And I believe
[00:10:54] believe this firmly test it right, right, audit it independently verify
[00:10:57] verify it. I say yes because if we
[00:11:00] we give AI the authority to act, act, which we are doing more and
[00:11:03] and more humans have got to remain
[00:11:06] remain the authority to stop it.
[00:11:08] it. Well, a senior UK government government minister will address
[00:11:12] address concerns about the pace of
[00:11:13] of AI development later. Here's our our chief political correspondent
[00:11:17] correspondent Henry Zeffman. We're We're going to hear today from the the most senior government minister
[00:11:21] minister yet here in the UK to engage engage with this debate. That's Louise
[00:11:25] Louise Haig. She's Andy Burnham's Burnham's deputy. She's giving a a speech to the annual conference
[00:11:29] conference of the Trades Union Congress Congress today. Actually, Andy Burnham
[00:11:31] Burnham was meant to be giving this this speech, but his father died.
[00:11:34] died. So she's giving this speech speech and she will say that the
[00:11:37] the government must heed the warnings warnings of those who are at the
[00:11:41] the forefront of developing this this technology. And she'll say that
[00:11:43] that the government is ready to work work with international partners
[00:11:46] partners to prioritise public safety safety and national security. Of
[00:11:50] Of course, working with international international partners would principally principally mean working with the
[00:11:54] the United States. And President President Trump said yesterday that that the idea that AI would take
[00:11:57] take over the world and destroy humanity
[00:12:00] humanity is a hoax. So it's a little little hard to know in practical practical terms what working with
[00:12:04] with the US would mean. There is is a role that the UK could play.
[00:12:07] play. We have the AI Security Institute Institute here, which was founded
[00:12:10] founded under Rishi Sunak's government
[00:12:12] government back in 2023. But there there is a recognition from ministers
[00:12:15] ministers I've spoken to here in in the UK that realistically this
[00:12:19] this is for the US and for China
[00:12:21] China to sort or as it may be not
[00:12:24] not sort. Henry, another story that's
[00:12:26] that's been dominating politics day
[00:12:29] day after day, the huge donations
[00:12:31] donations from two billionaires to to Reform UK. What are we expecting
[00:12:35] expecting to happen around the rules rules on political donations? Let's
[00:12:39] Let's just emphasise again that huge
[00:12:42] huge is an understatement. £36 million million each from Ben Delo and from
[00:12:46] from Christopher Harborne both to
[00:12:47] to Reform UK announced on successive
[00:12:50] successive days that is far bigger. bigger. Each of them individually
[00:12:53] individually than the previous record. record. Donations from an individual individual to political party. I
[00:12:56] I think the previous record was £10
[00:12:58] £10 million. So far, far, far bigger.
[00:13:01] bigger. The government was already already and Parliament was already
[00:13:05] already looking at changes to the the rules around the amounts that
[00:13:07] that donors can give to British political political parties. But they were
[00:13:10] were looking at changes to the amounts amounts that Brits living overseas
[00:13:14] overseas can give to political parties. parties. What complicates things things here is that Ben Delo and
[00:13:18] and Christopher Harborne were both both living overseas, but they returned
[00:13:22] returned to the UK. Reform UK is is adamant that they return to the
[00:13:25] the UK in time not to be captured
[00:13:27] captured by at least the legislation, legislation, as it is currently drafted.
[00:13:31] drafted. That's going through Parliament. Parliament. But what the government
[00:13:32] government is now looking at is beefing
[00:13:35] beefing up the definition of residency
[00:13:37] residency required not to have your your donations capped in the way
[00:13:40] way that Brits living overseas are are going to have their donations
[00:13:43] donations capped. They're talking talking about potentially defining
[00:13:46] defining residency more along the the lines of how it's defined for for the purposes of tax or immigration
[00:13:50] immigration or welfare, which is
[00:13:52] is much more onerous than simply simply being based here in the UK.
[00:13:56] UK. So we don't know where this is is going to end up, but it does seem
[00:13:59] seem possible and I put it no stronger stronger than that, but possible possible that the law will change
[00:14:03] change in such a way that Reform Reform UK are not able to keep these
[00:14:07] these donations and if so, expect expect an absolutely furious political
[00:14:11] political row. Henry Zeffman the
[00:14:14] the findings of a UK public inquiry inquiry into how Lucy Letby was able
[00:14:17] able to repeatedly murder and harm harm babies will be published later.
[00:14:21] later. The Thirlwall Inquiry was was set up to look into what happened
[00:14:24] happened at the Countess of Chester Chester Hospital between 2015 and
[00:14:27] and 16, while Letby was working as
[00:14:29] as a nurse in the neonatal unit.
[00:14:32] unit. Now aged 36, she is serving
[00:14:34] serving 15 whole life prison terms. terms. The inquiry wasn't tasked
[00:14:38] tasked with examining Letby guilt.
[00:14:40] guilt. Lauren Moss has this report. report. The offences of murder and
[00:14:44] and attempted murder have been identified identified and you have been identified
[00:14:47] identified as a suspect of these these offences. Lucy Letby, seen
[00:14:50] seen here on police body camera footage footage arrested at her home on suspicion
[00:14:54] suspicion of murdering vulnerable vulnerable babies on a neonatal hospital
[00:14:58] hospital ward. You're going to have have to go to the police station station to be questioned about these
[00:15:01] these allegations. Being a nurse nurse was her dream job. Is it a
[00:15:05] a job that you enjoyed? I love my
[00:15:11] my job. She would go on to be convicted
[00:15:14] convicted of murdering seven babies, babies, making her the UK's most
[00:15:17] most prolific child serial killer killer of modern times. Now, the
[00:15:21] the findings of an inquiry looking looking into how Letby was able to
[00:15:25] to harm those in her care but not
[00:15:27] not reviewing her convictions, will
[00:15:29] will be published later. This whole whole process has been very, very
[00:15:32] very difficult and at times very, very, very traumatic for them. Lawyer
[00:15:36] Lawyer Richard Scorer represents
[00:15:38] represents some of the babies families.
[00:15:41] families. It's very clear that there
[00:15:42] there were serious failings and the the responsibility for ensuring that
[00:15:46] that the police were brought in and and brought in at an early stage
[00:15:49] stage when it was clear that there there was potential criminal activity,
[00:15:53] activity, that responsibility ultimately ultimately rested with the senior
[00:15:55] senior managers and they failed.
[00:15:58] failed. Between June 2015 and 2016, 2016, a number of babies collapsed collapsed and died at the Countess
[00:16:01] Countess of Chester Hospital. In
[00:16:04] In August 2023, Lucy Letby was found
[00:16:06] found guilty of murdering seven babies babies and the attempted murder of
[00:16:10] of six others. A year later, she she was convicted of the attempted
[00:16:13] attempted murder of a seventh baby baby and is serving 15 whole life
[00:16:17] life sentences in prison. The government government launched the Thirlwall
[00:16:20] Thirlwall Inquiry into what happened happened and hearings began in September
[00:16:23] September 2024. They concluded in in March last year and the report
[00:16:27] report will be published later. It
[00:16:29] It is not the actions of Lucy Letby
[00:16:32] Letby that I am scrutinising. It
[00:16:34] It is the actions of all those who
[00:16:37] who were in the hospital. What they they did at the time. In the light
[00:16:40] light of what they knew at the time time and in the light of what they
[00:16:44] they should have known at the time. time. The inquiry has taken place.
[00:16:48] place. While a campaign by some to
[00:16:50] to prove Lucy Libby's innocence has has grown in the background. Her
[00:16:53] Her legal team wants her convictions convictions reviewed and a group
[00:16:56] group of medical experts have questioned questioned the evidence. In summary,
[00:17:00] summary, ladies and gentlemen, we we did not find any murders. The
[00:17:03] The families of Letby's victims who who suffered at the Countess of Chester
[00:17:07] Chester Hospital. They say they hope hope the inquiry leads to lasting
[00:17:10] lasting change. The legal reality reality is that Lucy Letby has been
[00:17:14] been convicted. We have these long,
[00:17:16] long, often long running and often
[00:17:19] often expensive inquiries, and they're they're very important for learning
[00:17:21] learning lessons. But often the recommendations recommendations are never implemented.
[00:17:25] implemented. And it's a betrayal betrayal not just of the people who've
[00:17:29] who've suffered in these cases, families families like those I represent.
[00:17:32] represent. It's actually betrayal betrayal of the public. The inquiry's
[00:17:35] inquiry's conclusions will be published published this afternoon. Lauren
[00:17:39] Lauren Moss, BBC News. You're with
[00:17:41] with BBC News still to come. Prince Prince Harry and Meghan's police
[00:17:45] police protection is to be reviewed reviewed as they change their children's
[00:17:49] children's school over security concerns.
[00:17:52] concerns. Around the world and across across the UK.
[00:18:56] as we follow every twist of the Premier Premier League season here on BBC
[00:18:59] BBC News. This is BBC News. It's
[00:19:06] It's emerged that the Duke and Duchess Duchess of Sussex have pulled their
[00:19:10] their children out of their new school school here in the UK, just two days
[00:19:14] days into term. A spokesperson said said the decision was taken after
[00:19:17] after a discussion with the family's family's protection team about the
[00:19:21] the practicalities of their original original arrangements. The children children are now at another school.
[00:19:24] school. It's understood Prince Harry's Harry's publicly funded security
[00:19:28] security is to be subject to a fresh
[00:19:29] fresh review, as Ellie Price reports. reports. It was the first glimpse
[00:19:33] glimpse into the new life of the
[00:19:35] the Sussex family. An Instagram video
[00:19:38] video posted by Meghan, Duchess of of Sussex showing five-year-old Lilibet
[00:19:41] Lilibet and seven-year-old Archie. Archie. Her faces hidden enjoying
[00:19:45] enjoying a trip out. But now a spokesperson spokesperson for the family has confirmed
[00:19:48] confirmed the children have had to to change schools. Just days into
[00:19:51] into the new school term. The locations locations of the schools were of
[00:19:55] of course kept private, but even even so, it's understood that there
[00:19:58] there were concerns from the family's family's security team about the
[00:20:02] the practicalities of their first first choice. Prince Harry and his
[00:20:05] his wife Meghan lost their publicly publicly funded security when they
[00:20:08] they stepped back from royal duties duties and moved to the US in January
[00:20:12] January 2020. The Duke of Sussex Sussex appealed that decision, made
[00:20:15] made by Ravec, an independent body body overseen by the Home Office
[00:20:19] Office in the court last May and and lost. For the time being. It's
[00:20:23] It's impossible for me to take my my family back to the UK. I can't
[00:20:26] can't see a world in which I would
[00:20:29] would be bringing my wife and children children back to the UK at this point point it's totally normal. But this
[00:20:33] this summer the family did come back back first on holiday where Harry
[00:20:36] Harry appeared at various charity charity events. And now for what's
[00:20:39] what's been described as an extended extended period of time. As a result,
[00:20:43] result, it's understood the Sussexes Sussexes will be given a review of
[00:20:45] of their publicly funded security
[00:20:47] security now that they are full-time full-time residents rather than visitors.
[00:20:51] visitors. The King has made clear clear the pair will not be working
[00:20:54] working royals and will not carry carry out official engagements, but
[00:20:57] but their security may yet be stepped stepped up as if they were Ellie
[00:21:01] Ellie Price. BBC News. Well, let's let's speak to journalist and royal
[00:21:05] royal commentator Afia Hagan. Afia, Afia, nice to see you. Thanks for
[00:21:08] for being with us. Just remind us us what the current security arrangements
[00:21:12] arrangements are for the couple and and the family. Well, at the moment
[00:21:16] moment the Sussexes have private
[00:21:19] private security that is funded by by themselves. They have that with
[00:21:21] with them every day. They also have have a phone number of someone from
[00:21:25] from the Metropolitan Police should should they need anything. Additionally.
[00:21:28] Additionally. OK. And we now learn learn that that is all going to be
[00:21:32] be reviewed. It was last reviewed reviewed around six years ago, I
[00:21:35] I believe. Just tell us the circumstances circumstances and why you think this.
[00:21:39] this. This really does need looking looking at again. I mean there's
[00:21:43] there's a real difference between
[00:21:47] between 2020 and 2026. I mean, then then Harry and Meghan stepped back
[00:21:50] back as working royals no longer longer living in the UK. So of course
[00:21:54] course there wasn't really any need need for them to have permanent security
[00:21:57] security provided by Ravec because because they no longer lived in the
[00:21:59] the UK. Harry coming back for a visit.
[00:22:03] visit. Yes, he perhaps could have have had security provided by Ravec
[00:22:06] Ravec on a case by case basis. But
[00:22:08] But no, Harry and Meghan and the the children are resident in the
[00:22:12] the UK for an extended period of
[00:22:14] of time. So of course their status status has changed, which means that
[00:22:17] that Ravec doing their job needs
[00:22:19] needs to review where the Sussexes Sussexes are now, what the threat
[00:22:23] threat is levelled against them and
[00:22:26] and what security needs to be provided. provided. This is not about Prince
[00:22:29] Prince Harry or Meghan. The Duchess Duchess of Sussex being working royals.
[00:22:33] royals. It's about who they are in
[00:22:35] in public life. I mean, they can can be described as private citizens.
[00:22:39] citizens. But Prince Harry still still remains the second son of the
[00:22:43] the King. He has had, you know, six
[00:22:45] six plots levelled against him that
[00:22:48] that it was discovered. Five of them
[00:22:50] them were jihadist plots. One of of them was from right wing actors.
[00:22:54] actors. You know, over the years years they've had many threats levelled
[00:22:58] levelled against both Harry and Meghan. Meghan. I mean, you've got a neo-Nazi
[00:23:02] neo-Nazi who's in prison at the moment,
[00:23:03] moment, was in prison in 2019 for
[00:23:06] for posting a picture of Prince Harry
[00:23:08] Harry with a gun to his head, calling
[00:23:11] calling him a race traitor. You know know that that's a direct threat
[00:23:13] threat to both Prince Harry and Meghan, Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex. So
[00:23:16] So now where we are is Ravec reviewing
[00:23:19] reviewing the Sussexes security situation situation as to where they are now,
[00:23:23] now, which is them being resident resident in the United Kingdom for
[00:23:26] for this extended period and seeing seeing what security they may need.
[00:23:30] need. So so you think even though though they don't carry out official
[00:23:34] official duties, they're not working working Royals. There should be an
[00:23:37] an element of publicly funded protection. protection. Just briefly in the time
[00:23:40] time we've got. What do you think? think? What do you know about the
[00:23:43] the circumstances that have led to to them having to pull their children
[00:23:45] children out of that first school? school? Yes, absolutely. That was
[00:23:49] was on security concerns. It was was to do with the school on going
[00:23:52] going from to and from school. Of Of course, you can vary the route,
[00:23:56] route, but the end and the beginning beginning of that journey remains remains the same. And there were
[00:24:00] were some issues about cars being being able to remain in convoy. And
[00:24:03] And so they had to pull their children children out of school. And remember remember at school you're going to
[00:24:07] to have parents and groups and you you can keep it as private as possible, possible, but people are still going
[00:24:11] going to find out that they are there. there. So security concerns meant
[00:24:14] meant that they had to change schools schools for the children. OK. Afia
[00:24:17] Afia Hagan, royal commentator and
[00:24:19] and journalist thank you very much.
[00:24:22] much. Plenty of news about the job job situation here in the UK. Sally
[00:24:26] Sally is here to tell us the latest latest figures which have just come come out. Yeah, they have indeed.
[00:24:30] indeed. So it shows that overall overall unemployment hasn't shifted shifted in, in the three months to
[00:24:34] to the end of July. It's still sitting
[00:24:37] sitting at 4.9%. But when you look look at the detail, that's where where you find what's going on in
[00:24:40] in our jobs market. It shows it's it's still really challenging and
[00:24:43] and it's still really tough, especially especially for young people. So the
[00:24:47] the area where we saw the number number of people in payroll, IE those
[00:24:50] those who were on the payroll of of businesses that's been going down,
[00:24:54] down, especially in the area of retail retail and hospitality, which is
[00:24:58] is where many young people tend to to get their first job. So those
[00:25:02] those numbers of jobs available is is is reducing that number has gone
[00:25:05] gone down in terms of those who are are on the payroll, but also the
[00:25:08] the number of vacancies available
[00:25:09] available is at the lowest level
[00:25:12] level outside of the pandemic. So So it just paints a picture of how
[00:25:16] how hugely difficult it is, especially especially for those who are looking looking for work, especially for
[00:25:20] for young people. But what's interesting interesting as well about this is
[00:25:24] is the average earnings number, which
[00:25:26] which came in at 3.8%, which didn't
[00:25:28] didn't change either. But this is is the number that's likely to mean
[00:25:31] mean an increase in state pensions pensions from April next year is
[00:25:34] is going to be at that level 3.9%,
[00:25:36] 3.9%, I believe. And that's because because the government's got this
[00:25:40] this commitment to the so-called so-called triple lock for state pensioners,
[00:25:43] pensioners, meaning they either get get an increase of the same rate
[00:25:47] rate as average earnings, the same
[00:25:49] same rate of inflation, or at 2.5%, 2.5%, depending on which one is higher.
[00:25:52] higher. Will certainly average earnings earnings is higher. And that's quite
[00:25:56] quite a big increase for pensioners. pensioners. And that will make things
[00:25:59] things very tough for the Chancellor. Chancellor. So there's quite a lot
[00:26:02] lot to digest in these numbers today. today. You've given us quite a lot lot already. Thank you very much
[00:26:05] much Sally. We'll see you very soon. soon. Thanks for being
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