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[00:00:10] Live from London. I'm Kasia
[00:00:11] Madera. This is BBC News. Authorities
[00:00:15] Authorities in Lithuania spend the the night searching for debris after
[00:00:18] after a drone enters EU airspace airspace and was shot down by Nato
[00:00:22] Nato jets. The public inquiry into into how the former nurse, Lucie
[00:00:26] Lucie Letby, was able to murder seven seven babies and attempt to kill
[00:00:30] kill seven more is due to publish
[00:00:32] publish its findings. The co-founder
[00:00:35] co-founder of Anthropic says that that AI firms may need a compulsory
[00:00:38] compulsory kill switch to stop the the technology spiralling out of
[00:00:42] of control. Prince Harry and Meghan's Meghan's police protection is to
[00:00:45] to be reviewed as they change their
[00:00:47] their children's school over security
[00:00:49] security concerns. The US confirms confirms it has weapons deployed
[00:00:53] deployed in space, in what's believed
[00:00:54] believed to be the first public acknowledgement
[00:00:57] acknowledgement of such capabilities. capabilities. And British success
[00:01:00] success at the Emmys. Matthew Rhys Rhys makes history with two best
[00:01:03] best lead Actor awards as Kate O'Flynn
[00:01:05] O'Flynn and Alan Cumming also win
[00:01:09] win trophies. Welcome you are with
[00:01:19] with BBC News. The President of Lithuania Lithuania says that Nato fighter
[00:01:22] fighter jets have shot down a drone drone that entered the country's
[00:01:26] country's airspace overnight. The The drone was shot down in a rural
[00:01:29] rural area of central Lithuania near
[00:01:32] near Lake Kaunas, with debris located
[00:01:34] located by military police in the the area. It is the latest security
[00:01:38] security incident in the Baltic states states since Russia launched its
[00:01:41] its full-scale invasion of Ukraine
[00:01:44] Ukraine back in 2022. Well, separately, separately, Denmark has reported
[00:01:47] reported that a Russian frigate fired fired two flares towards a Danish
[00:01:51] Danish military helicopter off its its coast on Monday, narrowly missing
[00:01:55] missing the aircraft. The incident incident happened during a routine
[00:01:58] routine Danish military mission to to photograph a Russian frigate.
[00:02:01] frigate. Russia's ambassador to Denmark Denmark has been summoned. Well,
[00:02:05] Well, all this comes as Russia launches launches jet powered drone attacks
[00:02:09] attacks on Ukraine. The head of the the country's state Post Office has
[00:02:12] has told the BBC that Russia is deliberately
[00:02:15] deliberately targeting his branches branches and delivery vans. A lot lot to discuss. Let's cross over
[00:02:19] over to Kyiv. Our diplomatic correspondent correspondent James Landale joins
[00:02:22] joins us once again. James, let's
[00:02:24] let's just start with that drone
[00:02:27] drone entering into Lithuanian airspace airspace and the scrambling of Nato
[00:02:30] Nato jets. Do we know whether this
[00:02:33] this was just a breach? Because there there are incidents before where
[00:02:36] where these drones do just go into
[00:02:40] into EU airspace, into countries countries who are member states of
[00:02:43] of Nato into their airspace, accidentally?
[00:02:48] accidentally? Yeah, that's absolutely absolutely right. Throughout this this war, which is now we should
[00:02:51] should not forget in its fifth year, year, there have been incidents of
[00:02:54] of drones entering Nato airspace. airspace. And sometimes it is just
[00:02:58] just by mistake. These things go go out of control. They are brought
[00:03:01] brought down by or confused by electronic electronic countermeasures or air
[00:03:04] air defences. And the war just spills spills over into Nato territory.
[00:03:08] territory. But there are also incidents incidents of Russia deliberately
[00:03:11] deliberately sending drones into into Nato countries to test Nato
[00:03:15] Nato defences, to probe Nato, to to keep Nato occupied, and also to
[00:03:19] to distract. Now, we do not know know the origin of this particular
[00:03:22] particular drone that entered Lithuania, Lithuania, but the fact that it crossed
[00:03:26] crossed in we know from Belarus heading heading west and was brought down
[00:03:30] down in the sort of central southern southern part of Lithuania means
[00:03:32] means the you know, that's a reasonable
[00:03:36] reasonable distance from the Ukrainian Ukrainian battlefield. So I think
[00:03:39] think certainly the implication hinted
[00:03:42] hinted at by the Lithuanian president. president. Mr Nauseda, saying that
[00:03:46] that with Russian aggression, increasing increasing readiness like this needs
[00:03:49] needs to be maintained. He at least least is hinting that this was a
[00:03:52] a deliberate thing by Russia. And
[00:03:55] And James Denmark also reporting reporting that a Russian frigate
[00:03:58] frigate fired two flares towards towards its Danish military helicopter helicopter off its coast. Bring us
[00:04:02] us up to date with that development.
[00:04:05] development. Well, look again, just
[00:04:06] just part of a continual pattern
[00:04:09] pattern of Russian probing testing,
[00:04:12] testing, you know, and whether that that can be in the skies, it can
[00:04:14] can be on the seas, it can be under under the seas. And so, you know,
[00:04:18] know, in the Baltic Sea, any kind kind of proximity of Russian and
[00:04:21] and other vessels can lead to these these kinds of incidents. Sometimes
[00:04:25] Sometimes it can be, you know, Russian Russian activity under the water,
[00:04:28] water, attacking underwater cables cables in the Baltic and the seas
[00:04:32] seas near there. So I think people people will see all of this as part
[00:04:36] part of the round, as a gentle increasing
[00:04:39] increasing ramping up of pressure pressure by Russia, not just here
[00:04:42] here in Ukraine, but also on its
[00:04:45] its borders with Nato. James, as as always, many thanks. James Landale Landale there joining us from Kyiv.
[00:04:49] Kyiv. Thank you. We'll keep an eye eye on any developments. Of course.
[00:04:52] course. Any commentary on that of of course. But now an important story
[00:04:56] story here in the UK, the findings
[00:04:58] findings of a UK public inquiry into
[00:05:00] into how Lucy Letby was able to repeatedly
[00:05:03] repeatedly murder and harm babies babies will be published later. The
[00:05:06] The Thirlwall Inquiry was set up up to look into what happened at
[00:05:09] at the Countess of Chester Hospital
[00:05:13] Hospital between 2015 and 2016, while while Letby was working as a nurse
[00:05:16] nurse in the neonatal unit well.
[00:05:17] well. Now aged 36, Letby is serving
[00:05:20] serving 15 whole life prison terms. terms. The inquiry was not tasked
[00:05:24] tasked with examining Libby's guilt, guilt, Lauren Moss reports. The offences
[00:05:28] offences of murder and attempted attempted murder have been identified
[00:05:31] identified and you have been identified identified as a suspect of these
[00:05:34] these offences. Lucy Letby, seen seen here on police body camera footage
[00:05:38] footage arrested at her home on suspicion suspicion of murdering vulnerable
[00:05:41] vulnerable babies on a neonatal hospital hospital ward. You're going to have
[00:05:44] have to go to the police station station to be questioned about these
[00:05:47] these allegations. Being a nurse nurse was her dream job. And was
[00:05:51] was it a job that you enjoyed? I
[00:05:56] I loved my job. She would go on to
[00:05:59] to be convicted of murdering seven seven babies, making her the UK's
[00:06:03] UK's most prolific child serial killer
[00:06:05] killer of modern times. Now the findings
[00:06:08] findings of an inquiry looking into into how Letby was able to harm those
[00:06:11] those in her care but not reviewing reviewing her convictions, will be
[00:06:15] be published later. This whole process process has been very, very difficult
[00:06:18] difficult and at times very, very very traumatic for them. Lawyer Richard
[00:06:22] Richard Scorer represents some of
[00:06:23] of the babies families. It's very
[00:06:27] very clear that there were serious
[00:06:30] serious failings and the responsibility responsibility for ensuring that that the police were brought in and
[00:06:34] and brought in at an early stage stage when it was clear that there
[00:06:37] there was potential criminal activity, activity, that responsibility ultimately
[00:06:40] ultimately rested with the senior senior managers and they failed.
[00:06:43] failed. Between June 2015 and 2016, 2016, a number of babies collapsed
[00:06:46] collapsed and died at the Countess Countess of Chester Hospital. In
[00:06:50] In August 2023, Lucy Letby was found
[00:06:52] found guilty of murdering seven babies babies and the attempted murder of
[00:06:55] of six others. A year later, she she convicted was of the attempted
[00:06:59] attempted murder of a seventh baby baby and is serving 15 whole life
[00:07:02] life sentences in prison. The government government launched the Thirlwall
[00:07:05] Thirlwall Inquiry into what happened happened and hearings began in September
[00:07:09] September 2024. They concluded in in March last year and the report
[00:07:13] report will be published later. It
[00:07:15] It is not the actions of Lucy Letby
[00:07:18] Letby that I am scrutinising. It
[00:07:19] It is the actions of all those who
[00:07:22] who were in the hospital. What they they did at the time, in the light
[00:07:26] light of what they knew at the time time and in the light of what they
[00:07:29] they should have known at the time. time. The inquiry has taken place
[00:07:33] place while a campaign by some to
[00:07:35] to prove Lucy Libby's innocence has has grown in the background, her
[00:07:39] her legal team wants her convictions convictions reviewed and a group
[00:07:42] group of medical experts have questioned questioned the evidence. In summary,
[00:07:45] summary, ladies and gentlemen, we we did not find any murders. The
[00:07:49] The families of Letby's victims who who suffered at the Countess of Chester
[00:07:52] Chester Hospital. They say they hope hope the inquiry leads to lasting
[00:07:56] lasting change. The legal reality reality is that Lucy Letby has been
[00:07:59] been convicted. We have these long,
[00:08:02] long, often long running and often
[00:08:04] often expensive inquiries, and they're they're very important for learning
[00:08:07] learning lessons. But often the recommendations recommendations are never implemented.
[00:08:11] implemented. And it's a betrayal
[00:08:12] betrayal not just of the people who've
[00:08:15] who've suffered in these cases, families families like those I represent.
[00:08:17] represent. It's actually betrayal betrayal of the public. The inquiry's
[00:08:21] inquiry's conclusions will be published published this afternoon. Lauren
[00:08:24] Lauren Moss, BBC News. Let's talk talk to Emily Townsend, who is from
[00:08:28] from the trade journal the Health
[00:08:30] Health Service Journal, which focuses
[00:08:33] focuses on the NHS. And Emily, this
[00:08:35] this is incredibly disturbing and and really upsetting for all the
[00:08:38] the families involved. This inquiry
[00:08:40] inquiry was not actually tasked with with examining Lucy Libby's guilt.
[00:08:44] guilt. Just talk us through the scope
[00:08:46] scope of the Thirlwall Inquiry. Yes,
[00:08:49] Yes, thanks very much. So the inquiry's
[00:08:52] inquiry's asked to investigate under under three strands. So the first
[00:08:55] first was parents experiences. So So what families were told what they
[00:08:59] they were told about Letby and whether whether she was suspected. And the
[00:09:02] the second part was the conduct of
[00:09:05] of people at the Countess of Chester. Chester. So what concerns were raised
[00:09:09] raised and when how those who raised raised them were treated? Board oversight,
[00:09:12] oversight, any referrals to regulators, regulators, etc and then the third
[00:09:16] third is the wider NHS. So whether whether previous inquiries or recommendations
[00:09:20] recommendations were implemented implemented where gaps remain and
[00:09:23] and what structural and regulatory regulatory changes needed, and that's
[00:09:26] that's where we're expecting to see see potential regulation for senior
[00:09:30] senior managers. Before we move on
[00:09:32] on to that, just one of the key things things that people will want to know,
[00:09:36] know, and I wonder whether you will will be able to answer this, will
[00:09:39] will this report be able to answer answer whether any of those babies
[00:09:42] babies could have lived or avoided avoided injury if action had been
[00:09:45] been taken earlier? I think it will.
[00:09:48] will. It will perhaps look at whether whether some of those deaths could
[00:09:50] could have been avoidable and whether whether the concerns that consultants
[00:09:54] consultants had could have been escalated escalated earlier and whether board
[00:09:58] board members should have acted on on them. So I would imagine that
[00:10:01] that that may be the case. It may may not go that far, but I would
[00:10:04] would imagine that there will be
[00:10:07] be something about why managers did
[00:10:09] did not escalate or when concerns concerns were escalated to them.
[00:10:12] them. They did not act in the way way that they should have done. So
[00:10:15] So you mentioned regulation and obviously obviously the inquiry. We don't have
[00:10:19] have the report yet is a long time time coming. Incredibly expensive
[00:10:22] expensive as well over £18 million
[00:10:24] million in cost. But just in terms
[00:10:27] terms of regulation, what could it
[00:10:29] it suggest to prevent a future case
[00:10:31] case like that of Lucy Letby? So
[00:10:34] So what it could do is there could could be statutory powers which would
[00:10:38] would essentially disbar NHS leaders leaders in senior roles who have
[00:10:41] have committed senior misconduct misconduct from holding roles again.
[00:10:44] again. So if there has been a concern
[00:10:46] concern about a manager's misconduct, misconduct, it will go on their record.
[00:10:49] record. And if they then try to apply apply to another job that will be
[00:10:53] be on the record. So particularly particularly serious misconduct will
[00:10:56] will be kind of act designed to suppress suppress whistleblowing, those sorts
[00:10:59] sorts of things, which obviously obviously there is concern about
[00:11:02] about in this case. And in terms
[00:11:04] terms of Lucy Letby herself, she
[00:11:06] she is now imprisoned. But there
[00:11:08] there are some medical experts who
[00:11:11] who potentially suggest that she she could be innocent. Just where
[00:11:14] where are we in terms of her investigations?
[00:11:17] investigations? So the Thirlwall Thirlwall Inquiry proceeded explicitly explicitly on the basis that Letby
[00:11:20] Letby is guilty. So this inquiry
[00:11:23] inquiry is not expected to. There
[00:11:25] There were some quite strong representations
[00:11:28] representations from families and
[00:11:29] and sort of Libby's lawyers, former
[00:11:32] former executives to, you know, look look at that and review the convictions.
[00:11:36] convictions. But Lady Thelwall was was very explicit that that isn't
[00:11:39] isn't what she's going to look at. at. Obviously, there is a great deal
[00:11:42] deal of people who are concerned concerned about that, but that is
[00:11:45] is for the law and for appeals courts
[00:11:47] courts to handle only. She has been
[00:11:49] been very clear on that basis. Emily.
[00:11:52] Emily. Yeah, a really difficult, difficult, sensitive period of time.
[00:11:55] time. We're awaiting that inquiry. inquiry. Emily Townsend from the
[00:11:59] the trade journal Health Service Service Journal, thank you so much. much. We will, of course, when we
[00:12:03] we get the results of that inquiry, inquiry, we'll bring that to you
[00:12:06] you here on BBC News. The co-founder co-founder of one of the world's
[00:12:10] world's biggest artificial intelligence intelligence companies has told the
[00:12:12] the BBC that AI firms may need a
[00:12:15] a compulsory kill switch to prevent prevent the technology spiralling
[00:12:19] spiralling out of control. Anthropic Anthropic Jack Clark says that AI
[00:12:23] AI is getting smarter and more capable capable every few months, which could
[00:12:26] could become a major risk to society.
[00:12:29] society. Well, President Trump has has angrily rejected calls to slow
[00:12:32] slow down the development of AI, AI, describing fears that it poses
[00:12:35] poses a threat to humanity as a big
[00:12:38] big hoax. Let's cross over to Westminster
[00:12:40] Westminster because our chief political political correspondent Henry Zeffman
[00:12:44] Zeffman joins us live now. And Henry, Henry, these question of AI. It's
[00:12:47] It's one of many stories that have have been dominating the headlines.
[00:12:51] headlines. Just talk us through how how the government is planning to
[00:12:53] to approach this, because I'm assuming assuming they're not going to go
[00:12:56] go down Donald Trump's path. Who Who says that when it comes to controls
[00:13:00] controls over AI, they need a strong
[00:13:02] strong and smart high IQ president?
[00:13:06] president? Well, no slightly different different tone from the UK government. government. I mean, actually it's
[00:13:09] it's been striking over the past past few days, perhaps understandably,
[00:13:13] understandably, given these are principally principally American based entrepreneurs
[00:13:16] entrepreneurs who are calling for for greater government regulation. regulation. We haven't really heard
[00:13:20] heard much from the British government, government, and that is going to to change later today when Louise
[00:13:24] Louise Hay, who is essentially the the deputy Prime Minister, gives
[00:13:26] gives a speech at the annual conference conference of the Trades Union Congress.
[00:13:30] Congress. It's a speech that actually actually Andy Burnham was going to
[00:13:33] to give, but his father died. So So Louise Hay is giving this speech
[00:13:37] speech and she will become by far far the most senior government minister
[00:13:40] minister to speak about these issues. issues. She will say that the government
[00:13:44] government must heed the warnings warnings of those who are at the
[00:13:47] the forefront of developing this this technology. She will say that
[00:13:49] that the government is ready to work work with international partners
[00:13:52] partners to prioritise public safety safety and national security. Of
[00:13:56] Of course. What does it mean to work
[00:13:59] work with international partners? partners? Given that the UK clearly
[00:14:02] clearly has a much smaller role to to play here than the US than China,
[00:14:05] China, and given some of the things things that Donald Trump has been been saying about this over the past
[00:14:09] past few days, well, that I think think is much less clear indeed. indeed. The other big story that's
[00:14:12] that's been dominating the political political headlines that massive
[00:14:16] massive those two massive donations
[00:14:18] donations to reform by UK billionaires, billionaires, Nigel Farage, Reform
[00:14:22] Reform UK leader insisting that the the two big donations given to his
[00:14:25] his party are 100% compliant with
[00:14:27] with the law today. What are we expecting
[00:14:30] expecting to happen with the rules rules around these types of political
[00:14:34] political donations? Well, it's pretty pretty complicated because Parliament
[00:14:36] Parliament was already and has been
[00:14:38] been for some time considering laws
[00:14:42] laws which would introduce a variety
[00:14:44] variety of new requirements on donations
[00:14:47] donations to political parties, in
[00:14:49] in particular affecting donations donations from British citizens who
[00:14:53] who have been living overseas. Well, Well, that is relevant here because
[00:14:56] because the two men who've each given
[00:14:58] given Reform UK £36 million Ben Delo Delo and Christopher Harborne have
[00:15:01] have both been living overseas in in Ben Delo case in Hong Kong and
[00:15:05] and Christopher Harborne case in in Thailand. Reform UK say both are
[00:15:08] are back in the UK. We don't know know exactly when they came back.
[00:15:12] back. We'd thought that the crucial crucial fact was just whether they
[00:15:14] they were back in the UK by March
[00:15:17] March the 25th, 2026 or not. However, However, we now understand that the
[00:15:21] the government is looking at beefing beefing up what it means to be resident
[00:15:24] resident in the UK for the purposes purposes of donating to a political
[00:15:27] political party and perhaps having having some sort of enhanced residency
[00:15:31] residency requirement more akin to to the kinds of residency requirements
[00:15:34] requirements that there are for tax tax purposes or for immigration purposes
[00:15:37] purposes or for welfare purposes. purposes. Clearly this is an embryonic
[00:15:41] embryonic stage, but it does seem seem possible, though no stronger
[00:15:43] stronger than that, that the government
[00:15:45] government could tweak this proposed proposed legislation such that Reform
[00:15:48] Reform UK would have to hand back back those two donations. And if
[00:15:51] if the government does do that, that that would provoke, I think, an almighty
[00:15:55] almighty political row. Indeed, Henry, Henry, as always, thank you so much.
[00:15:58] much. Henry Zeffman there joining joining us from Westminster. We'll
[00:16:01] We'll keep an eye on everything that's that's happening around UK politics.
[00:16:04] politics. We're also in just a few few moments time. We're going to
[00:16:07] to be speaking to the former head head of Royal Security regarding
[00:16:10] regarding the Sussexes changing school
[00:16:13] school of their for their children. children. Short break now though though around the world across the
[00:16:17] the UK you're
[00:17:19] as we follow every twist of the Premier Premier League season here on BBC
[00:17:23] BBC News. Hello. Welcome back. You're
[00:17:26] You're with BBC News. It has emerged emerged that the Duke and Duchess
[00:17:30] Duchess of Sussex have pulled their their children out of their new school
[00:17:33] school in the UK just two days into into the term. A spokesperson said
[00:17:37] said the decision was taken after after a discussion with the family's
[00:17:40] family's protection team about the the practicalities of their original
[00:17:44] original arrangements. The children children are now at another school.
[00:17:47] school. It's understood that the the committee overseeing royal and
[00:17:50] and VIP security is to review the the level of protection for the family
[00:17:53] family now that they're living in
[00:17:55] in the UK, Ellie Price reports. It
[00:17:58] It was the first glimpse into the the new life of the Sussex family.
[00:18:01] family. An Instagram video posted posted by Meghan, Duchess of Sussex
[00:18:05] Sussex showing five-year-old Lilibet Lilibet and seven-year-old Archie
[00:18:08] Archie their faces hidden enjoying enjoying a trip out. But now a spokesperson
[00:18:12] spokesperson for the family has confirmed confirmed the children have had to
[00:18:15] to change schools. Just days into into the new school term. The locations
[00:18:19] locations of the schools were of of course kept private but even so,
[00:18:22] so, it's understood that there were were concerns from the family's security
[00:18:26] security team about the practicalities practicalities of their first choice.
[00:18:29] choice. Prince Harry and his wife wife Meghan lost their publicly funded
[00:18:33] funded security when they stepped stepped back from royal duties and
[00:18:35] and moved to the US in January 2020.
[00:18:39] 2020. The Duke of Sussex appealed appealed that decision, made by Ravec,
[00:18:42] Ravec, an independent body overseen overseen by the Home Office in the
[00:18:45] the courts last May and lost. For For the time being. It's impossible
[00:18:48] impossible for me to take my family family back to the UK. I can't see
[00:18:52] see a world in which I would be bringing bringing my wife and children back
[00:18:55] back to the UK at this point, is is it totally normal? But this summer
[00:18:58] summer the family did come back first first on holiday where Harry appeared
[00:19:02] appeared at various charity events. events. And now for what's been described
[00:19:05] described as an extended period of of time. As a result, it's understood
[00:19:09] understood the Sussexes will be given given a review of their publicly publicly funded security now that
[00:19:13] that they are full-time residents residents rather than visitors. The
[00:19:17] The King has made clear the pair pair will not be working royals and
[00:19:20] and will not carry out official engagements, engagements, but their security may
[00:19:23] may yet be stepped up as if they
[00:19:26] they were Ellie Price. BBC News. News. Let's pick up on some of those
[00:19:30] those points with former head of
[00:19:31] of Royal security, also former divisional divisional commander in the Metropolitan
[00:19:35] Metropolitan Police, Dai Davies. Davies. Welcome Dai to BBC News.
[00:19:38] News. In terms of the first issue
[00:19:40] issue when it comes to changing schools
[00:19:43] schools for the Sussexes children, children, there was a question over
[00:19:46] over the level of traffic, the proximity proximity of the school. Why was
[00:19:50] was that? What's your understanding? understanding? Why would their security security detail not have thought
[00:19:53] thought of that to begin with? Well, Well, it's a very good question and
[00:19:57] and it's a question I certainly would would be asking of them. Did they
[00:20:00] they not prepare? Did they not do
[00:20:03] do any kind of runs? How far the the home where they're currently
[00:20:07] currently living to the school is. is. These are all issues you would
[00:20:11] would hope and think that the security security team and those advising
[00:20:14] advising them would have thought thought about prior to. But the other
[00:20:17] other big thing I say is if you are are going to have protection in any
[00:20:20] any shape or form, keep a very low
[00:20:24] low profile, stop briefing favoured favoured journalists newspapers as
[00:20:27] as to what you're doing almost on
[00:20:29] on a daily basis. I just find this
[00:20:32] this beyond belief, frankly, that that whoever is advising them on
[00:20:36] on security, if they actually listen listen to it, are not complying with
[00:20:40] with that because most of us wouldn't wouldn't know when they're in the
[00:20:43] the country, wouldn't know anything anything about them unless they and
[00:20:47] and the so-called team choose to to tell the world what they are doing,
[00:20:50] doing, including putting film and and photographs. I just don't understand
[00:20:53] understand their strategy and tactics tactics unless it is to force Ravec
[00:20:57] Ravec to actually give them protection. protection. And I
[00:21:03] And I hope Ravec will take a cold, hard view as to whether now
[00:21:06] now they are private citizens, whether whether they deserve it any more
[00:21:09] more than countless others, including including female MPs, which I worry
[00:21:13] worry tremendously in the current current climate about whether they
[00:21:16] they deserve protection. Whether Whether Meghan, who now is going
[00:21:19] going to be reviewed as well, whether whether they deserve it more than
[00:21:22] than numerous others ex-soldiers, ex-soldiers, ex-military who also
[00:21:26] also are at risk from a variety of
[00:21:28] of different sources. So it has to
[00:21:30] to be Ravec decision if they decide decide in their wisdom and they are
[00:21:34] are meant to be wise, there are at at least ten members and most of
[00:21:37] of them are from the security section, section, but they also include the
[00:21:41] the private secretary to the King King and his deputy as part of this
[00:21:45] this team. So what? So what does does represented. So just on that
[00:21:47] that point then and apologies because because we're running out of time.
[00:21:51] time. Obviously just the when it it comes to the Sussexes children, children, we don't know the names
[00:21:55] names of the schools either of the the schools. We don't know the location.
[00:21:58] location. So that is locked down. down. But just in terms of Ravec,
[00:22:01] Ravec, this is the committee overseeing overseeing Royal and VIP security.
[00:22:04] security. They're reviewing, as you
[00:22:05] you say, the level of protection
[00:22:08] protection for the family. What are are they considering? Because like
[00:22:11] like you say, they're not working
[00:22:13] working royals, but they are very very visible and very prominent.
[00:22:16] prominent. And members of the royal royal family. Well, they're visible
[00:22:20] visible and prominent by their own own actions. I would respectfully
[00:22:23] respectfully suggest and again I I say again, keep a lower profile
[00:22:26] profile if you want any kind of safety
[00:22:30] safety and security in terms, what what are they going to get? I don't
[00:22:33] don't know, it would depend on the the intelligence, the committee are
[00:22:37] are part of the Home Office structure
[00:22:39] structure and they will be afforded afforded every possible information
[00:22:42] information and intelligence. And And I can't imagine if there's any
[00:22:46] any real intelligence which again, again, has been looked at so many
[00:22:48] many times over the years that if if there is any, then surely, like
[00:22:52] like any other citizen, they should should get the appropriate level
[00:22:55] level depending on where they are,
[00:22:57] are, where they're going and what
[00:22:59] what they are doing. Thank you so
[00:23:03] so much. Fascinating to hear from
[00:23:06] from you and really value your expertise.
[00:23:09] expertise. Former divisional commander commander of the Metropolitan Police
[00:23:12] Police Dai Davis, also a former head head of royal Security. Thank you.
[00:23:15] you. Now the US military has confirmed confirmed that it's deployed weapons
[00:23:19] weapons in space. It's believed to to be the first public acknowledgement
[00:23:22] acknowledgement by Washington of of such capabilities. Officials say
[00:23:25] say weapons are already in operation operation and they're capable of
[00:23:28] of defending American assets in response. response. China is urging the US
[00:23:31] US to stop preparing for war in space.
[00:23:33] space. So let's talk to Dr Bleddyn Bleddyn Bowen, co-director of the
[00:23:37] the Space Research Centre at Durham Durham University. Welcome. The US
[00:23:40] US hasn't revealed the weapons capabilities
[00:23:43] capabilities or when it was in fact fact put into orbit. But what's your
[00:23:46] your guess as to what it is and what
[00:23:48] what it does? I would say that there's
[00:23:51] there's precious little details out
[00:23:53] out there. So this is a best an educated
[00:23:57] educated guess, but I would be guessing guessing that an electronic warfare
[00:24:00] warfare platform of some kind is is likely and that is a jammer really
[00:24:04] really to disrupt and interfere with with the radio communications between
[00:24:07] between the satellites and their their operators and users on the
[00:24:10] the ground on earth, these are just just machines in space. So if you
[00:24:13] you disrupt that radio link, then then you just got a hunk of junk
[00:24:16] junk of metal that won't do much.
[00:24:19] much. So that is probably what they're they're referring to. And we know
[00:24:23] know that the Americans have had
[00:24:25] had terrestrial based anti-satellite anti-satellite jammers and also kinetic
[00:24:29] kinetic interceptors or missiles missiles that can launch vehicles vehicles that can ram into satellites
[00:24:33] satellites from the earth, that shoot shoot up into space. So space based
[00:24:37] based weapons we're looking at jammers,
[00:24:39] jammers, possibly a space based kinetic
[00:24:41] kinetic or ramming vehicle, but that that would be a more dangerous kind
[00:24:44] kind of weapon as they would generate
[00:24:47] generate debris in space and the the debris that any sort of impact
[00:24:50] impact or explosive event in space space would generate would be a danger
[00:24:53] danger to everyone else in the part
[00:24:56] part of orbit that would happen. happen. And so, so we're really looking
[00:24:59] looking and waiting for more details details as and when they come as
[00:25:02] as to where the weapons are and what
[00:25:05] what are the mechanisms as these
[00:25:07] these alter the calculation of security security and reliability of satellites
[00:25:11] satellites for everyone? Dr Bleddyn Bleddyn Bowen briefly if you would, would, how does this compare to what
[00:25:14] what other countries are doing? This This is part of the US Space Force,
[00:25:18] Force, China said. Stop taking up
[00:25:21] up a space war. How are other countries
[00:25:23] countries doing? Well, Russia, China China and the United States are all
[00:25:27] all at it. They are developing anti-satellite anti-satellite weapons of various
[00:25:30] various kinds. China and Russia have
[00:25:32] have spent the last ten years ramping ramping up their more sophisticated
[00:25:36] sophisticated satellite manoeuvring manoeuvring capabilities to do close
[00:25:39] close inspections. Some would say say harassment of Western satellites
[00:25:43] satellites in geostationary orbit. orbit. China has also demonstrated
[00:25:46] demonstrated what's called a space space tug, which is a vehicle that
[00:25:48] that can go up to another satellite, satellite, grapple it and move it
[00:25:52] it into a different or less useful
[00:25:53] useful orbit. They tested that on on their own old satellite to move
[00:25:57] move it out of the way, which is is good for space sustainability
[00:26:01] sustainability but can be a weapon weapon against another country's country's satellite. Dr Bleddyn Bowen
[00:26:04] Bowen from Durham University. They're They're all at
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