BBCNEWS — Business Today 20260915 103000 UTC 275 transcript segments Original Broadcaster Captioning (Enhanced) Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:02] Now on BBC News. The latest [00:00:04] business news from across the globe. [00:00:06] globe. Business Today. Tough choices [00:00:17] choices UK state pensions are set [00:00:18] set to rise by nearly £500 a year. [00:00:21] year. But can the country afford afford the triple lock policy? And [00:00:25] And the price of debt? The yield [00:00:26] yield on US Treasury bonds hits its [00:00:29] its highest level since 2023, with [00:00:31] with a fed rate rise now looming. [00:00:35] looming. Hello. Welcome. This is is Business Today I'm Ben Thompson [00:00:38] Thompson and we start in the UK where where the latest employment data [00:00:41] data paints a picture of a rather rather tricky jobs market. If you [00:00:45] you take a look first of all at the the employment numbers, those figures figures show that there's been a [00:00:49] a slight fall in August. That compares [00:00:51] compares to the previous month. It [00:00:55] It represents around 26,000 fewer fewer employees in the workforce. workforce. That drop has been mainly [00:00:59] mainly in retail and hospitality. hospitality. Well, the quarterly [00:01:02] quarterly rate of unemployment that that remains unchanged at 4.9% for [00:01:06] for the three months to July. On On top of that, job vacancies remain [00:01:10] remain at their lowest level outside outside of the pandemic. But the [00:01:14] the wage data tells us a different different story. Annual growth in [00:01:18] in employees average earnings, including [00:01:19] including bonuses, came in at 3.9% [00:01:22] 3.9% between May and July. Now it it is unchanged from the previous [00:01:25] previous period, but the figure is is likely to be a defining factor [00:01:28] factor in the rise in the state pension [00:01:31] pension next April under the so-called so-called triple lock guarantee, guarantee, the pension will go up [00:01:35] up by the highest of either 2.5% [00:01:38] 2.5% inflation or wage growth. So So it means that state pensions would [00:01:41] would rise by nearly £500 a year [00:01:45] year from next April. Labour made made a manifesto pledge at the election [00:01:48] election to keep the triple lock, lock, but economists have warned [00:01:51] warned about the cost of the policy policy and that it will mean tough [00:01:54] tough spending choices in next month's month's budget. So just how sustainable [00:01:58] sustainable is it? Well, let's talk talk now to Heidi Karjalainen, who's [00:02:01] who's senior research economist at at the Institute of Fiscal Studies. [00:02:04] Studies. It's good to have you here. here. And let me start with that [00:02:07] that question. Is the triple lock [00:02:10] lock still affordable? Yeah. So basically [00:02:13] basically the triple lock is really really important because it determines [00:02:16] determines how we operate the state state pension every year. And we [00:02:20] we currently spend £154 billion on [00:02:23] on the state pension each year. And [00:02:26] And that's basically the equivalent equivalent to the total budgets of [00:02:30] of the Ministry of Defence and Department Department of Education combined. [00:02:33] combined. So that's why all these these decisions around how we're [00:02:36] we're going to increase the state state pension matters so much. Now [00:02:40] Now the triple lock compared to average average earnings indexation. So that's [00:02:43] that's kind of the usually what we we consider as the alternative. Actually Actually this year wouldn't have [00:02:47] have made much of a difference because because we think that the average [00:02:51] average earnings growth is the highest highest of these three numbers. But [00:02:54] But looking forward that's where where we really start seeing those [00:02:57] those big spending pressures. And And the government has talked a lot [00:03:01] lot about what they call fairness, fairness, making sure that everyone everyone pays their way. We know [00:03:04] know there are some tough choices choices that the government will [00:03:07] will have to make, but they are just just that. They are choices. The The government can choose what it [00:03:11] it does with the money it has and and where it will spend it. But is [00:03:14] is it fair when it comes to different different generations about who pays [00:03:17] pays the burden of looking after [00:03:19] after people in their older age? [00:03:21] age? Well, yeah, I think that's basically [00:03:24] basically what a lot of this conversation conversation kind of is about is, [00:03:27] is, is, is comes to this kind of of generational differences, but [00:03:30] but really actually how we operate operate the state pension affects, [00:03:33] affects, you know, public finances finances more generally. And, you [00:03:37] you know, the challenges are they're they're kind of common across everyone. [00:03:41] everyone. We need to or there's are are pledges to spend more on defence. [00:03:45] defence. We there's, we tend to have have higher health care spending, [00:03:48] spending, social care spending. All All of those pressures apply to everyone [00:03:51] everyone really. So so that's why why addressing the triple lock isn't [00:03:55] isn't just about kind of generational [00:03:59] generational differences, but it's it's really benefits everyone and and the public finances overall in [00:04:03] in the long run. We know there have [00:04:04] have been attempts to reform pensions pensions in previous years, some [00:04:08] some with limited success. And I I wonder whether there needs to now [00:04:12] now be a bigger conversation, one one that looks at we're all living [00:04:15] living a bit longer, so the cost cost of that welfare benefit is going [00:04:18] going up and there's maybe a bit bit of a misconception that a lot [00:04:21] lot of people feel they have paid paid in during their lifetime and and therefore are entitled to it. [00:04:25] it. But actually what we're all doing doing is just paying for the next [00:04:28] next generation, aren't we? Yeah, Yeah, that's absolutely right. And [00:04:32] And you're exactly right that there's there's this misconception that, [00:04:35] that, you know, people somehow paid paid their National Insurance contributions contributions into a pot and then [00:04:39] then they're paid their state pension [00:04:40] pension from that. But actually current [00:04:43] current pensioners are being paid paid their state pension from current [00:04:46] current taxation. So that's why these these challenges of an ageing population, [00:04:50] population, for example, where we we have fewer working age people people compared to the size of the [00:04:54] the pensioner population. That's That's why that adds a lot more pressure [00:04:58] pressure to the system. And I think, [00:04:59] think, you know, there is an increasing increasing understanding that the [00:05:03] the way that the triple lock increases increases state pension spending [00:05:06] spending adds a lot of uncertainty uncertainty and adds a lot of spending. [00:05:09] spending. And I think people are are starting to well, there's more [00:05:12] more and more talk about how we might might be better off if we move to [00:05:16] to a system where we, for example, example, increase the state pension [00:05:19] pension in line with average earnings earnings and building building in [00:05:23] in some inflation protection as well. well. Heidi, it's good to get your [00:05:26] your thoughts on this. I'm sure we'll we'll talk again about it, but for for now, thank you, Heidi Karjalainen [00:05:29] Karjalainen there, the senior research research economist at the Institute Institute of Fiscal Studies. Thank [00:05:33] Thank you. Well, those latest employment employment and wage figures will [00:05:37] will be scrutinised very closely closely by the Bank of England. They They will meet on Thursday. There [00:05:41] There will also be casting a close close eye on the latest inflation [00:05:44] inflation numbers that are published published tomorrow morning. Rising [00:05:47] Rising energy costs caused by the the war in Iran have been pushing pushing up prices right around the [00:05:51] the world, which in turn is causing causing a sell off in the bond market [00:05:55] market on Monday. The yield on ten ten year US government bonds briefly [00:05:59] briefly exceeded 5% for the first [00:06:02] first time since 2023, hitting thresholds thresholds that will ring alarm bells. [00:06:05] bells. The rise in yields comes during during a continued sell off in the [00:06:09] the US Treasury market, which is is estimated to be worth just over [00:06:13] over $31 trillion in total. That's That's likely to push up mortgage [00:06:16] mortgage rates in the US and make make borrowing more expensive for [00:06:19] for businesses. Now, all of this this at a time when the when we are [00:06:22] are expecting Fed Chair Kevin Warsh Warsh to raise US. Interest rates [00:06:26] rates this week as prices across across the US continue to rise. Let's [00:06:29] Let's talk now to Bob Parker, who's [00:06:31] who's senior adviser at Icma Asset Asset Management and Investors. Bob, [00:06:35] Bob, good to have you here. Why does [00:06:37] does this matter? It matters for [00:06:40] for a variety of reasons. And you [00:06:43] you know, linking back to your conversation [00:06:46] conversation earlier about pensions, pensions, let's not forget that in [00:06:49] in the UK, you know, the cost of [00:06:52] of interest debt in the gilt market, [00:06:53] market, the cost to the government government is over £100 billion this [00:06:57] this year. In you know, the situation [00:07:00] situation in America is even more [00:07:02] more worrying where interest costs [00:07:04] costs are the second largest item [00:07:06] item in the American budget and will [00:07:09] will exceed 1 trillion. So the higher [00:07:11] higher bond yields go and bond yields [00:07:14] yields are going higher because of of what's going on in. As you mentioned [00:07:18] mentioned in energy markets. And [00:07:19] And that feeds into higher inflationary [00:07:22] inflationary expectations. And central central banks have to respond to [00:07:26] to that by raising interest rates rates with The Fed probably raising [00:07:29] raising rates tomorrow. Bank of England England not necessarily raising rates [00:07:33] rates this week but certainly in [00:07:36] in October or later in the year. [00:07:38] year. And the ECB has has raised [00:07:41] raised rates twice already. So higher [00:07:44] higher costs for consumers, higher higher costs for businesses. And [00:07:47] And as bond yields go higher, we [00:07:50] we have this sort of catch 22 this [00:07:53] this vicious circle in dealing with [00:07:55] with budget pressures. Yes. And quite quite clearly that will be thrown [00:07:58] thrown into focus when we hear the the budget here in the UK. But particularly, particularly, of course, the politics [00:08:02] politics and the economics will come come crashing together, won't they? [00:08:05] they? Not least in the US for the the mid-term elections and for President [00:08:09] President Trump, the cost of borrowing borrowing going the wrong way. Absolutely. [00:08:13] Absolutely. And you know, the opinion opinion polls for the mid-term elections [00:08:17] elections are not positive for the [00:08:19] the Republicans. And, you know, another another factor which I think does [00:08:22] does worry investors is that if the [00:08:27] the Republicans lose control of the [00:08:29] the lower the House, then we could [00:08:31] could end up with a policy gridlock [00:08:34] gridlock in America. And, you know, [00:08:35] know, when that has happened in the [00:08:38] the past, we have had, you know, know, increased volatility in bond [00:08:41] bond markets. So it's not just the [00:08:45] the problem of upward pressure on [00:08:46] on bond yields. Investors face the [00:08:49] the challenge of increased volatility, volatility, which in turn means that [00:08:52] that they adopt much more cautious [00:08:55] cautious positions in terms of their their asset allocation. Bob, we will [00:08:58] will talk again about this, but I I know you'll be keeping a close close eye on it as well. Thank you, [00:09:02] you, Bob Parker. Thank you. A thanks. [00:09:06] thanks. Europe's biggest names in in transport and energy are joining [00:09:09] joining forces in a major push to to bring hydrogen powered heavy trucks [00:09:12] trucks onto the road by 2030. A host [00:09:14] host of companies, including Volvo Volvo Daimler Truck, Toyota and TotalEnergies [00:09:18] TotalEnergies say the technology technology is ready, but the ecosystem [00:09:22] ecosystem around it isn't. Now, for for the first time, they're co-ordinating [00:09:25] co-ordinating fleets, fuel stations stations and hydrogen supply into [00:09:28] into a single plan. Full details details of the programme will be [00:09:31] be announced by the bosses at the the IAA Transportation event that's [00:09:34] that's getting under way in Hannover [00:09:37] Hannover as Julia Caesar now reports. reports. Heavy duty transport is [00:09:40] is one of Europe's biggest remaining remaining sources of emissions. Hydrogen [00:09:44] Hydrogen has long been seen as a a promising solution for long haul, [00:09:47] haul, heavy duty transport, but progress [00:09:50] progress has been slow. Without a [00:09:53] a co-ordinated ecosystem, Europe [00:09:56] Europe has about 6.5 million diesel diesel trucks producing a quarter [00:10:00] quarter of all road transport emissions. [00:10:02] emissions. Stand by any busy road road like this one and you can feel [00:10:06] feel the noise and pollution that that they create while switching [00:10:09] switching heavy trucks to hydrogen [00:10:12] hydrogen would mean zero tailpipe [00:10:15] tailpipe emissions, quieter roads roads and cleaner long haul freight [00:10:19] freight where batteries fall short. short. The initiative aims to make [00:10:22] make hydrogen trucks commercially commercially viable. That means tackling [00:10:26] tackling one of the biggest barriers barriers to adoption the total cost [00:10:29] cost of ownership. During the coming [00:10:32] coming 5 to 10 years, we. Our anticipation anticipation is that we will start [00:10:36] start to see the scaling. But again, again, we will only see it if we [00:10:39] we are working together in the ecosystem. ecosystem. And that's the reason [00:10:42] reason why a coming together between between different actors in the ecosystem [00:10:45] ecosystem is so important because because we think that the business [00:10:49] business case, the technology is is there and now it's about really [00:10:52] really to make sure that we are putting [00:10:56] putting also the right conditions conditions to provide business models [00:10:59] models for scaling. The plan includes [00:11:02] includes strategically placed refuelling refuelling corridors along key transport [00:11:06] transport routes designed to give give operators confidence that hydrogen [00:11:10] hydrogen will be available where where and when they need it. This [00:11:13] This is a teamwork between private private and public to make it happen. [00:11:17] happen. But again, we believe and [00:11:18] and we have seen that also that countries [00:11:21] countries and regions that are driving [00:11:23] driving this agenda can combine competitiveness [00:11:29] competitiveness resilience or energy [00:11:30] energy resilience. So to speak. Regional [00:11:34] Regional security and also competitiveness competitiveness and eventually, which [00:11:38] which is super important decarbonisation, decarbonisation, less pollution and [00:11:40] and less noise when it comes to mobility. [00:11:43] mobility. Hydrogen offers fast refuelling, refuelling, high energy density and [00:11:46] and the ability to keep freight moving moving without adding huge battery [00:11:50] battery packs. Experts say that shifting [00:11:54] shifting these trucks to hydrogen hydrogen is essential if Europe's [00:11:58] Europe's going to meet its climate [00:12:01] climate targets. Europe's transport transport sector is preparing for [00:12:04] for a hydrogen powered future and [00:12:06] and the race to build it has officially [00:12:09] officially begun. Julia Caesar. BBC [00:12:12] BBC News. Some of the other business business stories we're following [00:12:15] following for you and a plan to nationalise nationalise the UK's third largest [00:12:18] largest steelworks is being developed developed by the government. The The Business Secretary, Jonathan [00:12:21] Jonathan Reynolds, said ministers ministers were looking to acquire [00:12:24] acquire Speciality Steel UK that that has sites in South Yorkshire Yorkshire and the West Midlands. [00:12:28] Midlands. 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