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[00:00:00] if the management of the hospital hospital would have acted differently. differently. What she can't do is
[00:00:03] is put a number on that, but she's she's very clear. You remember June
[00:00:06] June 2015 is when the first murder murder that she was convicted of
[00:00:08] of took place. October 2015 though though Lady Justice Thirlwall found
[00:00:12] found was the first point at which which suspicions were raised. The
[00:00:16] The death of a baby called baby J J or the babies, of course, were
[00:00:20] were anonymized. He. Had she been
[00:00:21] been moved off the ward at that point point because of safeguarding concerns,
[00:00:25] concerns, the deaths of other babies, babies, specifically two other babies
[00:00:27] babies O and P would not have happened happened and other babies would not
[00:00:31] not have been attacked. And there there was also concerns about a level
[00:00:34] level of insulin. Back in August
[00:00:37] August of 2015. And at that point,
[00:00:40] point, those concerns were disregarded disregarded by a senior doctor. I'll
[00:00:42] I'll get. You to pause there. We
[00:00:46] We now have that inquiry report published. published. Let's listen to Lady Justice.
[00:00:49] Justice. Justice Thurwell's findings.
[00:00:53] findings. October 2023. After the
[00:00:55] the convictions of Lucy Letby for
[00:00:58] for the murder and attempted murder
[00:01:00] murder of newborn babies in the neonatal
[00:01:03] neonatal unit at the Countess of
[00:01:06] of Chester Hospital my report has has been delivered to the Secretary
[00:01:09] Secretary of State for Health and
[00:01:10] and Social Care and it was laid before
[00:01:13] before Parliament a few moments ago.
[00:01:16] ago. The report describes dysfunctional dysfunctional management and governance,
[00:01:20] governance, a gulf between hospital hospital leadership and clinicians
[00:01:24] clinicians and failure to understand
[00:01:26] understand the fundamentals of safeguarding
[00:01:29] safeguarding errors were made by by nurses, doctors and managers at
[00:01:32] at the time of these events. I've
[00:01:34] I've set these out in the report
[00:01:37] report and will turn to this topic
[00:01:39] topic later. There was also complete
[00:01:42] complete failure at all levels to
[00:01:45] to invoke safeguarding procedures procedures at any point. Looking
[00:01:48] Looking for clinical or other explanations
[00:01:50] explanations for deaths and collapses
[00:01:53] collapses was not wrong. But once once there was suspicion that Letby
[00:01:55] Letby may be causing harm, deliberately
[00:01:59] deliberately safeguarding steps should should have been taken. She should
[00:02:03] should have been removed from the
[00:02:05] the ward as a neutral act and matters
[00:02:08] matters could have been investigated investigated without risk to babies.
[00:02:12] babies. No one seems to have thought thought that safeguarding action
[00:02:15] action is required when a member member of staff is suspected of causing
[00:02:19] causing deliberate harm. It isn't
[00:02:22] isn't necessary to be sure suspicion
[00:02:25] suspicion is enough. At the Countess,
[00:02:30] Countess, doctors and nurses failed failed to bring concerns to the safeguarding
[00:02:34] safeguarding leads. In late 2015,
[00:02:37] 2015, when concerns were raised with with senior managers, including the
[00:02:40] the hospital lead, for safeguarding.
[00:02:42] safeguarding. In May 2016, no safeguarding
[00:02:45] safeguarding action was taken. Senior
[00:02:48] Senior nurses never accepted that that the consultant's concerns were
[00:02:51] were or even might be justified.
[00:02:54] justified. Neither did senior managers
[00:02:58] managers from the death of baby P
[00:03:00] P in late June 2016. And despite
[00:03:03] despite the fact that Letby had been been moved from the neonatal unit,
[00:03:07] unit, there was a prolonged delay
[00:03:08] delay by senior managers in calling
[00:03:12] calling the police alternative explanations explanations for the deaths and collapses
[00:03:15] collapses were sought via internal
[00:03:17] internal and external reviews. The
[00:03:20] The reviews did not address the issue
[00:03:23] issue of whether deliberate harm
[00:03:24] harm had been caused or not, as the
[00:03:28] the Royal College of Paediatrics Paediatrics and Child Health accepted,
[00:03:32] accepted, the service review it undertook
[00:03:34] undertook could not address the doctor's
[00:03:37] doctor's concerns and should not
[00:03:38] not have been undertaken. The police
[00:03:41] police were eventually contacted
[00:03:43] contacted in May 2017, almost a year
[00:03:46] year after the last death. Relationships
[00:03:52] Relationships between consultant consultant paediatricians and senior
[00:03:54] senior managers and senior nurses
[00:03:57] nurses disintegrated during 2016
[00:04:00] 2016 and 2017, the way Letby grievance
[00:04:02] grievance and its consequences were
[00:04:04] were handled was deplorable. Ultimately, Ultimately, some consultants were
[00:04:08] were told to apologise to her and
[00:04:10] and to enter. Mediation plans were
[00:04:12] were being made to return her to
[00:04:15] to the neonatal unit. By the beginning
[00:04:19] beginning of 2017, the hospital was
[00:04:22] was far adrift from the correct course
[00:04:24] course of a responsible and prompt
[00:04:27] prompt response to serious concerns concerns raised by consultants about
[00:04:30] about the safety of babies. A summary
[00:04:35] summary report of 70 pages has been
[00:04:37] been prepared to provide an overview overview of my findings, but if you
[00:04:41] you want to understand what happened happened and to understand the reasons
[00:04:45] reasons for the recommendations, recommendations, it really is necessary
[00:04:47] necessary to read the whole report.
[00:04:50] report. I make it plain what this
[00:04:52] this report is not. It is not an
[00:04:55] an investigation into the criminal criminal convictions or the guilt
[00:04:58] guilt of Letby. The Court of Appeal
[00:05:00] Appeal has dismissed two applications applications for leave to appeal.
[00:05:03] appeal. And it's not for me to. Says Says the inquiry chair, Lady Justice Justice Thirlwall, speaking right
[00:05:07] right now. If you'd like to continue continue watching her deliver the
[00:05:10] the report, findings do go to the the BBC News website. We have a live
[00:05:14] live page up and running there for for you. Click the bottom at the
[00:05:16] the button at the top of the page page and you'll be able to continue
[00:05:19] continue seeing her deliver her findings.
[00:05:22] findings. But let's return now to to the news that Russia has called
[00:05:25] called for weapons to be kept out out of space after the US military
[00:05:28] military confirmed for the first first time that it's deployed weapons weapons in Earth's orbit. It's believed
[00:05:32] believed to be the first public acknowledgement acknowledgement by Washington of
[00:05:36] of such capabilities. China has also also criticised Washington's move,
[00:05:39] move, urging the US to stop preparing preparing for war in space while
[00:05:43] while our defence correspondent Jonathan Jonathan Beale is with me now. How How much do we actually know Jonathan?
[00:05:47] Jonathan? And why would the US acknowledge
[00:05:49] acknowledge this now? Yeah, I mean
[00:05:52] mean it's strange that. China and.
[00:05:54] and. Russia should criticise. The The US for something that the US
[00:05:58] US already accuses them of. In other other words, they say the US that
[00:06:02] that both Russia and China have tested tested weapons in space. But I think
[00:06:06] think I went to the US Space Force
[00:06:08] Force in Colorado last year and they
[00:06:10] they made clear that they were going
[00:06:13] going to defend their interests in in space and that signalled that
[00:06:16] that they were going to use some
[00:06:19] some kind of weapon. And now we have have confirmation that they have
[00:06:23] have used weapon. Now the question, question, I guess, is what was the
[00:06:26] the weapon? So if you look at the the range of threats in space that
[00:06:29] that the US Space Force lists, it
[00:06:33] it is communications jamming of satellites,
[00:06:36] satellites, lasers down to grappling
[00:06:38] grappling hooks to manoeuver satellites
[00:06:41] satellites out of orbit, down to
[00:06:44] to using weapons essentially missiles
[00:06:47] missiles from the ground to space space to destroy satellite, which
[00:06:50] which China has carried out a test test of, according to the US. And
[00:06:54] And then Russia itself firing a projectile
[00:06:56] projectile from one satellite and and again getting the condemnation
[00:06:59] condemnation of the US and other other countries, including the UK.
[00:07:02] UK. So I think that there are lots
[00:07:05] lots of potential. And it is. You You know, for most of us it should
[00:07:09] should be concerning because we use
[00:07:10] use space every day in terms of communications,
[00:07:15] communications, internet banking, banking, transfers. And there is is the potential to take out satellites.
[00:07:18] satellites. Does it feel like an an important sort of threshold has has been crossed though, with this
[00:07:22] this kind of acknowledgement? I think think it has I think that, you know,
[00:07:26] know, there was I think when I went went to US briefings about five years
[00:07:29] years ago, the emphasis on the importance importance of the peaceful use of
[00:07:33] of space. And now I think everybody everybody accepts that, you know,
[00:07:36] know, they need to defend what they they have in space. And remember,
[00:07:39] remember, there are about 18,000
[00:07:41] 18,000 satellites, functioning satellites
[00:07:43] satellites in space, and they are
[00:07:45] are taking steps. These big countries.
[00:07:48] countries. So I'd say China, which which is as far as the US is concerned,
[00:07:52] concerned, the pacing challenge Russia
[00:07:53] Russia and now the US to protect
[00:07:56] protect their own satellites, which which they need for fighting wars
[00:07:59] wars on the ground as well as in. in. How vulnerable would a military
[00:08:02] military be if its satellites were were taken out of action? I mean,
[00:08:06] mean, it would be catastrophic. I I mean, if you think about all those
[00:08:10] those aircraft that had been flying
[00:08:11] flying those long range bombing missions
[00:08:14] missions from the US to hit Iran,
[00:08:17] Iran, the weapons themselves that that are being used sometimes have
[00:08:21] have GPs, sometimes they have other other systems to guide them. But
[00:08:24] But space is pretty much a US space space force has been active on the
[00:08:28] the ground in Iran. They're. They're They're the ones to detect the launch
[00:08:31] launch of Iranian ballistic missiles,
[00:08:33] missiles, for example. So if you
[00:08:36] you did take out a country's capabilities,
[00:08:39] capabilities, its satellites in space, space, its guidance systems and there
[00:08:41] there are lots of military satellites satellites up there, they would be
[00:08:44] be in an awful lot of bother. Are
[00:08:47] Are there any regulations, international international laws in place that
[00:08:49] that can tell you what you can do? do? There is in the 60s there was
[00:08:53] was something that, you know, an an international agreement not to
[00:08:56] to have a weapon of mass destruction
[00:08:58] destruction in space. And even then
[00:09:01] then the Americans are concerned concerned that the Russians have
[00:09:04] have tried ways of seeing whether whether they could launch a nuclear
[00:09:07] nuclear weapon into space. I don't don't think that's been confirmed, confirmed, but they've talked about
[00:09:10] about it. The Americans have as far
[00:09:13] far as what Russia is doing. But
[00:09:15] But I think that there is essentially
[00:09:19] essentially just that. And now we're we're seeing, you know, from talk,
[00:09:22] talk, as I said, of the peaceful peaceful use of space to defending
[00:09:26] defending your interests in space. space. And, you know, we've got the
[00:09:29] the Americans now saying that they they are using some kind of weapons.
[00:09:32] weapons. They probably call it defensive
[00:09:34] defensive weapon systems. They haven't haven't said what, but clearly they
[00:09:38] they are looking at what they have. have. So if there are headlines talking
[00:09:40] talking about some kind of space space race, is it possible? Do we
[00:09:43] we know enough to know who would would be winning that right now?
[00:09:45] now? Yeah. So I think, you know,
[00:09:47] know, from my visit to the US Space
[00:09:50] Space Command in, in Colorado, their
[00:09:52] their challenge, their prime challenge
[00:09:55] challenge is China. And I think,
[00:09:59] think, you know, you can say the
[00:10:01] the US always already had an advantage
[00:10:03] advantage in space and it's, you
[00:10:06] you know, commercial as well as military military satellites. You just look
[00:10:08] look at the sheer number most of of their satellites in space, the
[00:10:11] the majority, not all of them, but but majority would be US satellites.
[00:10:15] satellites. So I think that if there
[00:10:16] there is an arms race in space the
[00:10:20] the US has clearly been preparing
[00:10:22] preparing for that. And again, back
[00:10:25] back to China and Russia accusing accusing the US or warning the US
[00:10:28] US not of creating an arms race. race. The US have turned around and
[00:10:31] and said, well, you started this. this. And I guess the next step that
[00:10:35] that people will be thinking about about is that if something breaks
[00:10:37] breaks out in space, Jonathan, that that obviously has massive implications
[00:10:40] implications for some kind of conflict
[00:10:41] conflict here on earth to. Yes. I
[00:10:45] I mean, you're not taking this. Yeah, Yeah, we're not quite into the star
[00:10:48] star Star Wars realm, are we? And
[00:10:51] And I think as we mentioned earlier,
[00:10:53] earlier, the use of space is, is
[00:10:57] is very important for wars on the
[00:10:59] the ground. So but you know, it's
[00:11:03] it's conceivable that sometime in
[00:11:05] in the future that to avoid destruction
[00:11:08] destruction on earth that they will will look at trying to. But even
[00:11:11] even if you try to avoid destruction destruction on earth and take out
[00:11:15] out a satellite, it's going to have have an impact on earth. It's going
[00:11:18] going to and it will have a bigger bigger impact. And you know, we talk
[00:11:21] talk about cyber attacks. Just think think about that magnified if satellites
[00:11:25] satellites are taken out. And the the other thing to say is if a satellite
[00:11:28] satellite is destroyed, there are are thousands of bits of debris just
[00:11:31] just flying around in space that that can take out other satellites
[00:11:34] satellites and bring down other communication communication systems. So it is a
[00:11:38] a pretty frightening prospect. Yeah, Yeah, it's yeah, really interesting interesting to talk to you, Jonathan.
[00:11:41] Jonathan. Thank you so much. Well, Well, the co-founder of one of the
[00:11:44] the world's biggest artificial intelligence intelligence companies has told the
[00:11:47] the BBC that AI firms may need a a compulsory kill switch to prevent
[00:11:51] prevent the technology spiralling spiralling out of control. Anthropic
[00:11:54] Anthropic Jack Clark says AI is getting getting smarter and more capable
[00:11:57] capable every few months, which could could become a major risk to society.
[00:12:01] society. President Trump angrily angrily rejecting calls to slow down
[00:12:04] down the development of AI, calling calling fears it poses a threat to
[00:12:08] to humanity as a big hoax. Economics
[00:12:11] Economics editor Faisal Islam reports. reports. We've made for complex.
[00:12:14] complex. AI giant Anthropic called called to slow down the AI race.
[00:12:18] race. A whistleblower and safety safety experts at the company said
[00:12:21] said there was a 1 in 10 chance or or higher that the technology could
[00:12:25] could kill all humans. Their boss boss is this man Jack Clark, a Brit
[00:12:29] Brit and founder of the company. company. Speaking exclusively to
[00:12:32] to the BBC from Silicon Valley. How How have you and your industry let
[00:12:35] let this happen? What's happened happened is the technology has got
[00:12:39] got substantially more powerful and and those risks which were once academic
[00:12:43] academic or theorised, we can now now see the early signs of them.
[00:12:46] them. What do you specifically think? think? Here is the risk. It sort
[00:12:49] sort of swarms of AI taking over
[00:12:52] over the internet, closing down power power stations or wiping out financial
[00:12:56] financial institutions. I think it's it's time to sort of spell out what
[00:12:59] what it practically means. For basic basic risk is. How well do you fancy
[00:13:03] fancy your chances at being able able to deal with the risks of a
[00:13:06] a system that is 100 times smarter smarter than the smartest person
[00:13:09] person on the planet? I think that that your chance of dealing with
[00:13:13] with that and getting out in a safe
[00:13:14] safe way is pretty low. So high level
[00:13:18] level you need to control AI as a a technology because you're making making things that might be smarter
[00:13:22] smarter than people, things that that are smarter than people could could be really, really, really dangerous.
[00:13:26] dangerous. It raises the question question of some sort of kill switch.
[00:13:28] switch. I mean, have you guys got
[00:13:30] got one? Can you pull the plug? I
[00:13:33] I think most most labs have different different ways of being able to pull
[00:13:36] pull the plug. And yes, of course course we have systems in place for for this, but this is the kind of
[00:13:40] of thing that you want to feed into into the larger policy conversation.
[00:13:44] conversation. Should you mandate mandate that companies definitely definitely have a kill switch? And
[00:13:47] And is that kill switch verifiable verifiable by a third party? I think think that's the kind of thing that
[00:13:50] that society is going to want to to know and might want to eventually
[00:13:53] eventually pass rules around. But But it may already be too late. It's
[00:13:57] It's not too late and I don't believe
[00:14:00] believe that we're yet at this maximal
[00:14:02] maximal kind of danger zone. But But we are close enough that we need
[00:14:05] need to be taking this seriously seriously and having national level
[00:14:09] level public conversations about about it. The bosses of the rest
[00:14:12] rest of the industry have joined joined Anthropic from Elon Musk and
[00:14:16] and ChatGPT maker OpenAI, agreeing agreeing on some sort of slowdown.
[00:14:19] slowdown. President Trump, on the the other hand, did not, criticising
[00:14:23] criticising the company, saying fears fears were a hoax and that the only
[00:14:26] only control needed was him. We're
[00:14:28] We're seeing increasing calls for
[00:14:31] for nations to get together and establish establish some base rules around
[00:14:34] around this, and this has happened happened in the past with technologies
[00:14:37] technologies which we call dual use use that can be used for good and
[00:14:40] and ill. And let's not forget AI AI is going to deliver extraordinary
[00:14:44] extraordinary benefits to us, but but we need to be very alert to the
[00:14:47] the harms to. Right now, AI investment investment seems to be boosting the
[00:14:51] the UK economy and there are some some promises of AI cures for cancer.
[00:14:55] cancer. Jack Clark team, though,
[00:14:56] though, said unchecked the economic economic impact could be unprecedented.
[00:15:00] unprecedented. White collar unemployment. unemployment. When you put it all
[00:15:04] all together, is it really worth worth it? Does it cause you sleepless
[00:15:06] sleepless nights? What might happen?
[00:15:09] happen? I mean, of course we have have to get this right. I think if
[00:15:13] if we get this technology right,
[00:15:16] right, we are going to change the the world in so many positive ways.
[00:15:20] ways. We are going to genuinely change change the face of science, change
[00:15:23] change the face of healthcare. We're We're going to expand the frontiers
[00:15:26] frontiers of what you or I or any any of our children could ever do.
[00:15:29] do. And if we get it wrong, we are
[00:15:32] are going to massively disrupt the the economy immiserated people and
[00:15:36] and potentially cause harm. The message message that the world still has
[00:15:39] has choices over the pace of artificial artificial intelligence. But time
[00:15:42] time is running out. Faisal Islam,
[00:15:45] Islam, BBC News. Around the world
[00:15:47] world and across the UK.
[00:16:49] as we follow every twist of the Premier
[00:16:50] Premier League season here on BBC
[00:16:54] BBC News. To the US now and with
[00:17:00] with the mid-terms around the corner, corner, a US Supreme Court ruling
[00:17:03] ruling has stopped the Trump administration administration from restricting postal
[00:17:07] postal voting in the November elections. elections. The top court's ruling
[00:17:09] ruling is a blow to President Trump, Trump, who often votes by post but
[00:17:12] but insists the method is not secure.
[00:17:15] secure. Research by think tank suggests suggests it is in fact safe. Let's
[00:17:18] Let's speak to political reporter reporter and author Molly Ball. Molly, Molly, thanks so much for joining
[00:17:22] joining us. Can you just outline outline what this case was about
[00:17:25] about and how much of a blow it is
[00:17:28] is to President Trump? The ruling ruling that we've just had through.
[00:17:32] through. Well, it's a significant significant blow to his efforts to
[00:17:36] to exert federal control over these
[00:17:39] these mid-term elections. You know, know, our elections under our system
[00:17:42] system of federalism are controlled controlled by states and localities, localities, and there's very little
[00:17:45] little role for the federal government. government. But we know that President
[00:17:48] President Trump very much wants to to control elections. He has spoken
[00:17:51] spoken about wanting to nationalise nationalise the election process.
[00:17:54] process. His critics argue he's actually actually trying to rig the election
[00:17:57] election and exactly the ways that that he has criticised others for
[00:18:00] for doing. Be that as it may, the. the. While elections are controlled
[00:18:04] controlled at the local level, there there is, of course, a federal agency
[00:18:07] agency that delivers the mail. So So the administration had formulated
[00:18:10] formulated this rule to try to have have the Postal Service oversee mail
[00:18:14] mail ballots, which are a quite popular popular way of voting. In the last
[00:18:18] last presidential election. More More than half of people did vote vote by mail, and many states have
[00:18:21] have massively expanded or even exclusively
[00:18:24] exclusively offer voting by mail mail in elections. The Supreme Court
[00:18:28] Court saying maybe this is something something you could do at some point, point, some justices saying that.
[00:18:32] that. But at this point it is far far too close to the election to
[00:18:36] to implement a system that would
[00:18:38] would be this wide reaching and complicated complicated and would likely disenfranchise
[00:18:41] disenfranchise significant numbers numbers of people if it wasn't rolled
[00:18:44] rolled out perfectly. And so this this is a this decision puts an end
[00:18:48] end to this effort, at least for for the time being. And for President
[00:18:51] President Trump, though. Molly for for years he has touted what have
[00:18:54] have to be called conspiracy theories
[00:18:56] theories about how mail voting works. works. And he's tried to discredit
[00:19:00] discredit previous elections. You
[00:19:01] You know, using these theories. It's
[00:19:05] It's an interesting tension for Republicans Republicans because on the one hand,
[00:19:08] hand, many of their voters like to to vote by mail and they will do
[00:19:11] do better in elections if they encourage
[00:19:13] encourage their voters to vote in in any way possible. And so we've
[00:19:17] we've seen Republicans trying to
[00:19:20] to go against the President's spreading spreading of conspiracy theories theories and encourage their voters
[00:19:23] voters to take advantage of this this so that they don't lose votes
[00:19:25] votes in this way in the upcoming upcoming mid-term election. We do do know that Democrats are more likely
[00:19:29] likely to trust mail voting precisely precisely because the President has
[00:19:33] has made it such a political issue. issue. So it is likely that more
[00:19:36] more of those mail votes will be
[00:19:38] be Democratic votes. But people across across the political spectrum enjoy enjoy the convenience of this voting
[00:19:42] voting method, and it looks like
[00:19:44] like it will now be available to to them somewhat uninterrupted. Can
[00:19:48] Can you fill us in on this controversy controversy around the wedding of
[00:19:52] of President Trump's son, Don Jr,
[00:19:55] Jr, and what his response to it has has been? Molly, I see this as making
[00:19:58] making a lot of headlines in the the US. That's right. I mean, even
[00:20:01] even some Republicans are quite uncomfortable
[00:20:04] uncomfortable with this. This Kremlin
[00:20:07] Kremlin connected Russian businessman
[00:20:09] businessman having spent quite lavishly,
[00:20:12] lavishly, apparently to sponsor the
[00:20:14] the wedding related celebrations celebrations around the President's
[00:20:18] President's eldest son's second marriage.
[00:20:21] marriage. Back in May, there was was a private island rented. There
[00:20:24] There were fireworks. And after this
[00:20:26] this was exposed by the news organisation
[00:20:29] organisation ProPublica yesterday, yesterday, Donald Trump Jr confirmed
[00:20:32] confirmed that it was true but basically basically said it shouldn't be an
[00:20:35] an issue whether or not this is illegal. illegal. Even some Republicans find
[00:20:38] find it unseemly and it fits with
[00:20:41] with a pattern of what Democrats Democrats say is, is a highly corrupt
[00:20:45] corrupt administration. You know, know, this president has accepted
[00:20:48] accepted a lot of gifts in ways that
[00:20:51] that would not have been seen as
[00:20:54] as proper in the past. The jet from
[00:20:57] from Qatar, the investments that that he and his family are involved
[00:21:00] involved in, that he hasn't distanced distanced himself from in the way
[00:21:03] way that he did in his first administration. administration. And this has become
[00:21:06] become a major part of the Democrats Democrats political case against
[00:21:09] against Trump, that he's looking looking out for his own interests interests instead of those of the
[00:21:13] the people he's meant to be serving. serving. And is there anyone also also questioning, I imagine some
[00:21:17] some Democrats have come forward forward to question the national
[00:21:20] national security implications, potentially
[00:21:22] potentially of an ally of President
[00:21:24] President Putin's giving Don Jr money
[00:21:27] money in this way. Yes, absolutely. absolutely. And for many people,
[00:21:31] people, it evokes flashbacks of what what the president calls the Russia,
[00:21:35] Russia, Russia, Russia scandal from from his first term, which he has
[00:21:39] has consistently portrayed as a hoax
[00:21:40] hoax and a conspiracy against him.
[00:21:43] him. But people will remember that that back during the 2016 campaign,
[00:21:46] campaign, part of how this all got
[00:21:48] got started was Donald Trump Jr accepting
[00:21:51] accepting a meeting with some Russian
[00:21:55] Russian individuals who claimed to
[00:21:57] to have incriminating information information about his political opponent,
[00:22:01] opponent, and this continued through through the Ukraine scandal and Trump's
[00:22:04] Trump's first impeachment and many
[00:22:06] many related matters. So while you
[00:22:09] you know Don Trump Jr is not himself himself involved in the government,
[00:22:16] Involved in the government, we know he is a close political adviser adviser to his father and someone
[00:22:20] someone who does a lot of campaigning campaigning for the Republican Party.
[00:22:22] Party. And so at a time when the
[00:22:24] the President's relationship with with Russia and with Putin continues
[00:22:28] continues to be quite controversial, controversial, this raises all of of that yet again. Molly, great to
[00:22:32] to see you. Thank you so much. Molly Molly Ball joining us there more
[00:22:35] more now on this news that Kenya Kenya is set to become the first
[00:22:38] first African country to host the the World Athletics Championships,
[00:22:41] Championships, its capital Nairobi, Nairobi, beating off competition competition from London and Rome
[00:22:45] Rome to host the 2029 tournament.
[00:22:48] tournament. Munich in Germany has has been selected for the 2031 event.
[00:22:52] event. Kenya has recently hosted hosted major tournaments and its
[00:22:55] its stadiums are being renovated renovated as it prepares to host
[00:22:58] host next year's Africa Cup of Nations. Nations. We've had the President
[00:23:01] President as well, William Ruto, Ruto, describing this as Kenya's
[00:23:04] Kenya's moment, Africa's moment and and a victory for generations of
[00:23:07] of athletes who made our nation synonymous synonymous with excellence on the
[00:23:11] the track, on the road and across across the country, the East African
[00:23:15] African country has produced numerous numerous Olympic world champions
[00:23:18] champions as well. So let's take take you to our BBC Africa sports
[00:23:21] sports reporter Celestine Karoney, Karoney, who joins us now from Nairobi.
[00:23:24] Nairobi. Seems like they're absolutely
[00:23:27] absolutely thrilled with this decision.
[00:23:30] decision. Celestine. Oh yes. Lucy,
[00:23:32] Lucy, it has received a massive this
[00:23:34] this massive, massive excitement excitement around this decision by
[00:23:38] by World Athletics. And there's one one line that has been repeated online
[00:23:41] online that a lot of England fans fans might be familiar with when when it comes to sport, and that
[00:23:45] that is it's coming home. And this
[00:23:47] this is because Kenya sees itself
[00:23:49] itself as the home of distance running running owing to its huge heritage.
[00:23:52] heritage. They have produced a lot lot of Olympic and world champions
[00:23:55] champions and so a lot of them are are feeling that this is a time for
[00:23:58] for them to. It's going to be a time time for them to celebrate that heritage
[00:24:02] heritage with the world. And it's it's not just Kenya celebrating. celebrating. It is also Africa celebrating
[00:24:05] celebrating the first time it's coming coming to the continent. And there's there's been massive reaction as
[00:24:09] as well. A lot of celebration across across the continent for this decision.
[00:24:12] decision. Lucy. Where is it going going to be held? Celestine how's
[00:24:15] how's it all going to work? So Kenya,
[00:24:19] Kenya, Kenya. First of all sold its
[00:24:22] its decision its bid on a couple couple of things. And that was first
[00:24:25] first of all the fact that I mean mean they are the they see themselves
[00:24:29] themselves as a home of athletics. athletics. Secondly they also sold
[00:24:31] sold themselves as having experience experience because they have hosted
[00:24:34] hosted a age group tournaments when when it comes to World Athletics
[00:24:37] Athletics Championships and also also the World Cross Country Championships.
[00:24:39] Championships. And so they say this this buys them some. This shows evidence
[00:24:43] evidence that they are able to host host major global sporting events.
[00:24:47] events. But there has been areas areas that Kenya has not done very
[00:24:50] very well when it comes to these these events. And in 2025 they lost
[00:24:54] lost the bid to host the 2025 edition edition to Tokyo because the infrastructure
[00:24:58] infrastructure the stadium was deemed deemed inadequate. Kenya have said
[00:25:00] said they have now fixed that, that that they are fixing their infrastructure
[00:25:04] infrastructure when it comes to stadiums
[00:25:06] stadiums because of hosting the 2027
[00:25:08] 2027 Africa Cup of Nations alongside alongside Tanzania and Uganda. And And so these are the things that
[00:25:12] that they have put forward. They've They've said there are big tourism
[00:25:14] tourism hub. The city is known for for having enough hotels. They have
[00:25:17] have the road infrastructure. And
[00:25:19] And so Kenya feels that this is what
[00:25:22] what helped them get this bid. And And World Athletics President Sebastian
[00:25:26] Sebastian Coe also said that another another thing that worked for Kenya Kenya was the fact that they have
[00:25:29] have a massive fan base and that that their research showed that 68%
[00:25:33] 68% of Kenyans are ranked, that they they are huge athletics fans. And
[00:25:37] And so they said why not bring the
[00:25:40] the competition to not just the continent continent for the first time, but but also to a country that has a
[00:25:44] a massive, massive following in the the sport? Great to see you with
[00:25:47] with this news as well, the Kasarani
[00:25:48] Kasarani Stadium. I just see 48,000
[00:25:51] 48,000 is the capacity. I imagine imagine the tickets are just going going to sell and it will be full
[00:25:55] full every day. It's really great great news for the continent. Thank Thank you so much for joining us
[00:25:59] us with that. News from Nairobi.
[00:26:00] Nairobi. Do stay with us here on
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