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[00:00:09] Live from London. This is BBC News. The Lithuanian authorities
[00:00:13] authorities locate the debris of of a drone that entered EU airspace
[00:00:17] airspace overnight and was shot down down by Nato jets. The United States
[00:00:21] States confirms for the first time time its deployed space weapons.
[00:00:24] weapons. China urges the US to stop
[00:00:26] stop preparing for war in space train train travel across large parts of
[00:00:30] of the Netherlands has ground to to a standstill because of what authorities
[00:00:34] authorities suspect are co-ordinated co-ordinated acts of sabotage. The
[00:00:36] The UN says an influx of refugees refugees fleeing the fighting in
[00:00:40] in Yemen to Djibouti is unexpected
[00:00:43] unexpected and horror comedy Widow's Widow's Bay wins big at the TV Emmy
[00:00:46] Emmy Awards, taking home 14 at the
[00:00:49] the ceremony in LA. Hello, I'm Lucy
[00:01:01] Lucy Hockings, welcome to BBC News News Now! The President of Lithuania
[00:01:04] Lithuania says Nato fighter jets jets have shot down a drone that
[00:01:08] that entered the country's airspace airspace overnight from neighbouring
[00:01:10] neighbouring Belarus. The debris, debris, which was scattered over
[00:01:13] over a wide area, is now being collected collected and examined by military
[00:01:16] military police. It's the latest latest security incident in the Baltic
[00:01:19] Baltic states since Russia launched launched its full-scale invasion
[00:01:22] invasion of Ukraine in 2022. Posting Posting on X, the UK's Defence Secretary
[00:01:26] Secretary Wes Streeting says thanks thanks to the swift and professional
[00:01:29] professional actions of Lithuanian Lithuanian and Italian forces, Nato
[00:01:31] Nato once again demonstrated our
[00:01:33] our readiness to protect our airspace.
[00:01:36] airspace. We stand united around around the clock in defence of every
[00:01:40] every inch of Nato territory. Our Our Eastern Europe correspondent correspondent Sarah Rainsford has
[00:01:44] has this report from Vilnius. It
[00:01:46] It was. Just after midnight this this morning here in Vilnius that
[00:01:50] that my phone screeched with an alert alert and when I checked the message,
[00:01:53] message, it said there was a suspected suspected drone. Keep safe, it said,
[00:01:57] said, and wait for the all clear.
[00:01:59] clear. Now that all clear came about about 20 minutes later and we now
[00:02:02] now know that there was a drone confirmed confirmed that it was in Lithuanian
[00:02:05] Lithuanian airspace for around about about half an hour before it was
[00:02:08] was intercepted and shot down by by Nato fighter jets belonging to
[00:02:12] to Italy. We still don't know who who that drone belonged to. We don't
[00:02:15] don't know whether it was launched launched deliberately or it might might have strayed into Lithuanian
[00:02:19] Lithuanian airspace. We know that that it entered from neighbouring
[00:02:23] neighbouring Belarus and that after after it was shot down, the debris debris was scattered over a wide
[00:02:26] wide area. So it's being collected collected up and examined to see
[00:02:30] see where it came from, who it was was launched by and whether or not
[00:02:34] not it was armed. In fact, whether whether or not there was any explosives.
[00:02:38] explosives. But this has happened happened at a nervous time here in
[00:02:41] in this region because Russia is is escalating its full-scale war
[00:02:45] war on Ukraine, and it is also escalating escalating its hybrid attacks on
[00:02:49] on Ukraine's greatest supporters. supporters. Vilnius, Lithuania has
[00:02:52] has always been a staunch supporter supporter of Ukraine ever since the
[00:02:55] the full-scale invasion. This city city is still covered in Ukrainian
[00:02:59] Ukrainian flags. There's lots of
[00:03:01] of messages of solidarity for Kyiv
[00:03:04] Kyiv here in this city, in this country,
[00:03:07] country, in the past, when there there have been drone incursions incursions into other countries,
[00:03:11] countries, including Poland and other other Baltic states, experts have
[00:03:15] have suggested that Moscow could could be testing Nato's reactions.
[00:03:18] reactions. At the moment here in in Lithuania, there are still more
[00:03:20] more questions than answers, but but certainly there is now a full-scale
[00:03:24] full-scale investigation into what what happened and who might be behind
[00:03:27] behind it. Sarah Rainsford there there will separately, Denmark has
[00:03:31] has reported that a Russian frigate frigate fired two flares towards
[00:03:35] towards a Danish military helicopter helicopter off its coast on Monday.
[00:03:37] Monday. The flares narrowly missed missed the aircraft, which had been
[00:03:40] been on a mission to photograph the the ship. Russia's ambassador to
[00:03:44] to Denmark has been summoned. Moscow Moscow has accused the Danish helicopters
[00:03:47] helicopters of making dangerous manoeuvres manoeuvres near its warships. These
[00:03:50] These incidents also come as Russia Russia and Ukraine exchanged aerial
[00:03:54] aerial attacks overnight. The government government of Zaporizhzhia said power
[00:03:57] power had been cut to some areas
[00:03:58] areas while ships were struck in
[00:04:01] in Odesa, the Russian city of Taganrog
[00:04:03] Taganrog came under large-scale Ukrainian Ukrainian drone attack as well. Let's
[00:04:07] Let's take you live to Kyiv now and and join our diplomatic correspondent
[00:04:10] correspondent James Landale. Who Who is there, James? President Trump
[00:04:12] Trump had said on Monday that both
[00:04:15] both Ukraine and Russia had promised
[00:04:17] promised to stop striking energy energy targets. They obviously haven't
[00:04:20] haven't signed up to this. Yeah.
[00:04:24] Yeah. President Trump spoke of an
[00:04:27] an agreement both Ukraine and Moscow
[00:04:30] Moscow are talking about a proposal, proposal, an idea. There is clearly
[00:04:34] clearly a suggestion doing the rounds. rounds. And clearly the Americans
[00:04:36] Americans are backing it because because they are desperate to have
[00:04:40] have some kind of good news that that can suggest that perhaps oil
[00:04:43] oil the price of fuel might be falling falling ahead of the elections in
[00:04:46] in November. But both Moscow and
[00:04:50] and Kyiv here have been sort of falling falling over themselves to sort of
[00:04:54] of put dampers on this without actually actually upsetting Washington, President
[00:04:57] President Zelensky said in his overnight overnight address. Look, yeah, you
[00:05:01] you know, it's a strong proposal proposal from Washington that there
[00:05:04] there should be some kind of pause pause in the fighting in terms of
[00:05:07] of energy targets. And in theory, theory, Ukraine is willing to consider
[00:05:11] consider de-escalatory moves, but but only if Russia shows a willingness willingness to end the war. And you
[00:05:15] you know, that hasn't happened yet. yet. Likewise, the Kremlin this morning
[00:05:19] morning said that this idea of some some kind of pause in the fighting
[00:05:22] fighting would be a good idea. But But again, you know, with lots of
[00:05:26] of conditions attached, we've been
[00:05:27] been down this route before. It hasn't
[00:05:31] hasn't materialised. It hasn't worked. worked. So nobody here, I think in
[00:05:34] in Kyiv is holding their breath, breath, expecting that to happen, happen, not least on the basis of
[00:05:38] of the attacks overnight, especially. especially. James, can we get your
[00:05:42] your views on what we saw in Lithuania Lithuania overnight with this drone
[00:05:45] drone being shot down by Nato jets jets and the different considerations
[00:05:48] considerations that Baltic governments governments are having to make now,
[00:05:52] now, as well as Nato when this is
[00:05:54] is increasingly happening. Yeah.
[00:05:57] Yeah. Well, look, it's not a new new thing for a drone to enter Nato
[00:06:01] Nato airspace as a result of this this war that has happened pretty
[00:06:04] pretty much on a regular basis since since Russia's full-scale invasion
[00:06:08] invasion in 2022. The big question, question, of course, is this sometimes sometimes those drones and missiles
[00:06:12] missiles that cross into Nato territory, territory, you know, their missiles missiles and drones are out of control.
[00:06:16] control. They have been fired by by one side or the other. They've
[00:06:19] They've been disrupted by some kind kind of electronic countermeasures
[00:06:22] countermeasures or air defences, defences, and they're just a spill-over
[00:06:25] spill-over of this conflict. Other Other times, though, these drones
[00:06:28] drones are deliberately sent by Russia
[00:06:31] Russia to test Nato airspace and and Nato defences. And this drone
[00:06:35] drone that was that ended up in Lithuania. Lithuania. I mean, it came a long long way. We don't know where it
[00:06:39] it originated, but it came west through
[00:06:42] through Belarus and then went straight straight into southern Lithuania.
[00:06:45] Lithuania. You know, that's a long
[00:06:47] long way from this particular battlefield.
[00:06:50] battlefield. So the suggestion, the the consensus among analysts is that
[00:06:53] that it's more likely to have been
[00:06:55] been a deliberate deployment of a
[00:06:58] a drone by Russia. And again, it's it's part of a piece, you know, on
[00:07:01] on the same time we've got sort of
[00:07:05] of a conflict, if you like, between
[00:07:07] between a Russian frigate and a Danish
[00:07:10] Danish helicopter in the Baltic Sea.
[00:07:13] Sea. You've got Russian drones, sorry,
[00:07:15] sorry, Russian bombers in the air
[00:07:18] air over the Norwegian Sea. That's
[00:07:20] That's just reported. I can hear
[00:07:22] hear another air alert alarm firing firing as we speak because Russia's
[00:07:25] Russia's new tactic now is for daily daily round the clock attacks rather
[00:07:29] rather than just at night. I think think this is part of a piece Russia
[00:07:33] Russia is escalating in this country country in Ukraine, but it's also
[00:07:36] also escalating its push against against Nato countries. Really great
[00:07:40] great to have you with us, James. James. Thank you so much. Take care
[00:07:42] care as well. James Landale there
[00:07:44] there in Kyiv. Well, let's get you
[00:07:47] you some official reaction now from from Lithuania. I'm joined by the
[00:07:51] the Minister of National Defence, Defence, Robertas Kaunas, who joins
[00:07:54] joins us. Very good to see you. Thank Thank you for taking the time. James
[00:07:58] James Landale just laying out some
[00:08:00] some of the picture there. But from
[00:08:02] from your perspective, was this just just a spill-over this drone into
[00:08:05] into your territory or was this deliberate,
[00:08:07] deliberate, a deliberate action from
[00:08:09] from Russia? Good afternoon. Actually, Actually, it's a good, good question.
[00:08:13] question. We last night we faced
[00:08:15] faced drone entered Lithuania airspace
[00:08:18] airspace from Belarus and during
[00:08:21] during this time there were no huge
[00:08:26] huge attacks from Russia in Ukraine.
[00:08:31] Ukraine. So it could be a deliberate deliberate provocation from Russia.
[00:08:34] Russia. We will collect all data.
[00:08:36] data. We will find answers and we
[00:08:40] we will ask questions because it
[00:08:43] it is very dangerous when not only
[00:08:46] only Lithuanian airspace facing incursion,
[00:08:49] incursion, but Nato, Nato airspace
[00:08:51] airspace facing incursion from Belarus
[00:08:54] Belarus and Nato jets had to scramble
[00:08:58] scramble to intercept those targets.
[00:09:00] targets. I want to express my sincere
[00:09:03] sincere gratitude to Italian pilots,
[00:09:07] pilots, to Italian armed forces,
[00:09:11] forces, because only working together
[00:09:12] together we can mitigate this threat
[00:09:15] threat and show to Putin that we
[00:09:19] we will defend our ground. Were you
[00:09:22] you satisfied then with how quickly
[00:09:25] quickly the Italians and Nato responded?
[00:09:28] responded? Minister calmness. Yes,
[00:09:30] Yes, it actually it is an example
[00:09:33] example how Lithuanian armed forces
[00:09:35] forces should co-operate with Nato
[00:09:39] Nato and air forces. And this is
[00:09:41] is an example of how Italians pilots
[00:09:45] pilots actually shows example to
[00:09:47] to all Nato, how to react. I think
[00:09:50] think that reaction was great. Of
[00:09:53] Of course we will collect data. Of
[00:09:56] Of course we will provide some investigation.
[00:09:58] investigation. We will do our lessons.
[00:10:01] lessons. But this example shows that
[00:10:03] that Nato air defence mission is is working.
[00:10:10] Mission is working. What happens though next time if one drone drone gets this far into Lithuania,
[00:10:13] Lithuania, what if next time there there are ten. Those are cheap drones.
[00:10:16] drones. They're easy to deploy. You're You're putting up there a very expensive
[00:10:19] expensive fighter jet from Nato to
[00:10:21] to counter them. I believe that security
[00:10:25] security of our people, security
[00:10:28] security of our society is most important
[00:10:31] important thing. We are not counting
[00:10:33] counting how much does it cost. We
[00:10:35] We will provide what is necessary
[00:10:37] necessary to secure our ground, our
[00:10:41] our air and our nation. I think that
[00:10:46] that we need air defence mission mission proved itself and we will
[00:10:50] will continue in this way. Many would
[00:10:53] would say that that Russia is just
[00:10:56] just constantly testing that. There's There's this ambiguity. There's this
[00:10:59] this grey zone they're pushing to
[00:11:01] to see what they can do, what they
[00:11:03] they can get away with. What would
[00:11:06] would your red line be in your country country in terms of collective defence
[00:11:10] defence and a collective response
[00:11:11] response to some of these actions?
[00:11:14] actions? We shouldn't speak as separated
[00:11:16] separated country. We are Nato alliance.
[00:11:19] alliance. We are working together.
[00:11:21] together. And I already mentioned
[00:11:25] mentioned that Russia is attacking
[00:11:28] attacking Nato. They are attacking attacking at the moment but they
[00:11:31] they are not working in that real
[00:11:35] real war. War, real world as we understand
[00:11:40] understand it. They are working in
[00:11:42] in that grey zone. They are providing
[00:11:44] providing hybrid attacks against
[00:11:46] against Nato. So we must respond
[00:11:49] respond as a single alliance, as
[00:11:53] as a single unit. United Alliance. Alliance. Minister, it's one final
[00:11:56] final question. Did people in Lithuania
[00:12:00] Lithuania feel a bit frightened today
[00:12:02] today by what had happened? People
[00:12:07] People reacted very well. They were
[00:12:09] were informed on time. All messages
[00:12:12] messages were sent on time. Jets
[00:12:16] Jets scrambled on time. And I think
[00:12:18] think this is an example how we should
[00:12:22] should react. Robertas Kaunas Minister Minister of National Defence in Lithuania, Lithuania, thank you very much for
[00:12:26] for joining us on BBC News. Russia
[00:12:30] Russia has called for weapons to to be kept out of space after the
[00:12:33] the US military confirmed for the the first time that it's deployed deployed weapons in Earth's orbit.
[00:12:37] orbit. It's believed to be the first
[00:12:39] first public acknowledgement by Washington Washington of such capabilities.
[00:12:42] capabilities. US officials say weapons weapons are already in operation
[00:12:45] operation and capable of defending defending American assets. China
[00:12:48] China has also criticised Washington's Washington's move, urging the US
[00:12:52] US to stop preparing for war in space. space. I've been speaking to Doctor
[00:12:56] Doctor Mark Hilborne, a senior lecturer lecturer in defence studies at King's
[00:12:59] King's College London. He also set set up the space Security Research
[00:13:02] Research Group to further the understanding understanding of space, and I asked
[00:13:05] asked him what the US has actually actually revealed and why they're
[00:13:08] they're doing it now. Well, the US US hasn't said precisely what they've
[00:13:11] they've done. They have said they they have orbital capabilities. They've
[00:13:15] They've probably done it now as a a form of deterrence and in response
[00:13:19] response to certain activities they've
[00:13:21] they've seen by the Chinese and the the Russians. So that probably explains
[00:13:24] explains the timing, although we we did know that there was a sort
[00:13:27] sort of testing process going on on since 2023. So something was in
[00:13:31] in the works. So are we talking about about something in space that could
[00:13:34] could do something like destroy a
[00:13:35] a satellite? What they've what they
[00:13:39] they haven't revealed is probably probably not that kind of capability. capability. We know that exists.
[00:13:43] exists. We have ground based interceptors, interceptors, but what the US is
[00:13:46] is talking about are probably things things like electronic warfare or
[00:13:50] or jamming abilities or spoofing
[00:13:53] spoofing abilities, possibly things things like what we call co-orbital
[00:13:56] co-orbital weapons, which you have have another satellite that's orbiting
[00:13:59] orbiting alongside another satellite satellite and could bang into it it or grapple with it or manoeuver
[00:14:03] manoeuver itself in some way to find find out more information. And is
[00:14:07] is nothing destructive? OK, nothing nothing destructive, but is it the the sort of thing that China also
[00:14:10] also has? Like, how much do we know know about China's space programme?
[00:14:14] programme? Well, we don't know necessarily. necessarily. I mean, it's not beyond beyond the bounds of possibility
[00:14:18] possibility that they could create create the same kind of ability, ability, you know, electronic warfare.
[00:14:21] warfare. We see that being waged waged from the ground by Russia,
[00:14:24] Russia, for instance, against Starlink
[00:14:27] Starlink to undermine the Ukrainian Ukrainian use of Starlink. So these
[00:14:30] these kind of capabilities exist. exist. Whether they've put them in
[00:14:32] in orbit is another question. China
[00:14:35] China also has a kind of space plane, plane, much the same as the American
[00:14:39] American X-37, which can do a number number of different things in orbit. orbit. So, you know, they certainly
[00:14:43] certainly have growing capabilities capabilities in this space domain.
[00:14:46] domain. And what about the Russians?
[00:14:48] Russians? Russia as well? I mean, mean, they've been actively using
[00:14:52] using these kind of capabilities, capabilities, jamming GPs. And we've we've seen a number of stories of,
[00:14:56] of, you know, commercial flights flights being disrupted by this,
[00:14:58] this, but specifically for military military purposes. And they've been
[00:15:01] been doing so over some time prior
[00:15:04] prior to the invasion of Ukraine. Ukraine. Very again, whether they
[00:15:07] they have anything in space is another
[00:15:09] another question. There has been been persistent rumours, and I'm
[00:15:13] I'm always careful as to the credence credence I put in these rumours. rumours. But they're long standing
[00:15:16] standing of a Russian kind of nuclear nuclear explosive device that they
[00:15:19] they can put in space. And this would would have a sort of game changing
[00:15:22] changing effect that it would be be able to take out many numbers
[00:15:26] numbers of satellites, something something like Starlink, which is is very difficult to take out individual
[00:15:29] individual satellites and have any any effect on. Let's just take you
[00:15:32] you to the very latest pictures that
[00:15:34] that we've getting in from Bucharest,
[00:15:37] Bucharest, from Romania. And what
[00:15:38] what you can see here is a big crowd
[00:15:42] crowd and they are facing off against against riot police. As you can see
[00:15:45] see here, what we know about this
[00:15:47] this crowd, they are livestock farmers farmers and they've gathered in Victory
[00:15:50] Victory Square in the centre of Bucharest,
[00:15:54] Bucharest, voicing their concerns, concerns, their grievances over restrictions
[00:15:57] restrictions on sheep and goat exports
[00:15:59] exports and also unpaid compensation.
[00:16:02] compensation. So it's a big protest protest in Bucharest. These are live
[00:16:05] live pictures we're getting at the
[00:16:07] the moment as this crowd of farmers farmers particularly face off, as
[00:16:11] as you can see against riot police police in the middle of Bucharest
[00:16:14] Bucharest and Victory Square. So So we're keeping across this story
[00:16:17] story for you any developments, we we will bring them to you around
[00:16:21] around the world and across the UK.
[00:17:24] global streaming giants. That's all
[00:17:25] all on The Media Show on BBC News.
[00:17:32] News. Now and the United Nations Nations has described an influx of
[00:17:35] of refugees fleeing the fighting fighting in Yemen to Djibouti as
[00:17:39] as unexpected. More than 2000 crossing crossing the Red Sea since last Thursday.
[00:17:43] Thursday. Officials are warning that that thousands more could arrive
[00:17:45] arrive if the fighting continues. continues. This news comes as Bloomberg
[00:17:49] Bloomberg reports that Saudi Arabia Arabia has requested operational operational assistance from Britain.
[00:17:52] Britain. The military and diplomatic diplomatic support is to counter
[00:17:56] counter the Houthis advance, which which is happening right along Yemen's
[00:17:58] Yemen's Red Sea coast right now toward
[00:18:01] toward the strategic Bab al Mandab Mandab Strait, as well as to help
[00:18:04] help protect its oil infrastructure infrastructure from Houthi attacks.
[00:18:07] attacks. Richard Kagoe, our correspondent, correspondent, is following these
[00:18:10] these developments from Nairobi. Nairobi. Well, the UN in Djibouti
[00:18:14] Djibouti is saying that they are are currently overwhelmed by the
[00:18:17] the influx of refugees who are fleeing fleeing the fighting in Yemen, saying
[00:18:21] saying that they have so far received
[00:18:25] received about 2400. But the authorities authorities in Djibouti indicating
[00:18:28] indicating that there are thousands
[00:18:31] thousands more, about 3400 and more more are still coming. What they're
[00:18:34] they're saying is that the town of of Obock, which is literally on the
[00:18:38] the front line in terms of this response,
[00:18:40] response, is currently overwhelmed overwhelmed because you're having
[00:18:44] having majority of them who are children. children. They say that the children
[00:18:47] children on arrival are appear to
[00:18:50] to be stressed, also at the same
[00:18:52] same time, they appear to be very very tired and but there's a sense
[00:18:56] sense of relief from them. The fact fact that they have been able to
[00:18:59] to escape the war and successfully successfully navigated the waters
[00:19:03] waters across the Red Sea. So currently currently what they're doing is that
[00:19:05] that they're doing registration, registration, providing them with
[00:19:08] with water, with food and other supplies.
[00:19:13] supplies. Do they have what they they need in order to help these
[00:19:16] these people though, Richard. Because Because were there not already thousands
[00:19:19] thousands of refugees that the country country was having to host and deal
[00:19:23] deal with? Yeah, actually, that's
[00:19:26] that's the major concern by the authorities authorities in Djibouti as well as
[00:19:30] as aid partners, because currently
[00:19:31] currently Djibouti hosts nearly about
[00:19:34] about 36,000 refugees. So these are
[00:19:35] are largely displaced people from from Eritrea, from Somalia and also
[00:19:39] also Ethiopia. And it also includes
[00:19:42] includes asylum-seekers. So they're they're saying currently they are
[00:19:45] are stretched to capacity. And what what they're saying is that they're
[00:19:49] they're currently need about 3 million
[00:19:50] million USD for them to be able to
[00:19:53] to accommodate the current lot that that has just arrived in Djibouti.
[00:19:56] Djibouti. And also those that are are anticipated to be coming in the
[00:19:59] the coming days because we listen listen to the Unicef local representative
[00:20:03] representative in Djibouti, speaking speaking to the BBC earlier today
[00:20:06] today saying that they're expecting expecting anything between 5000 to
[00:20:10] to 10,000 new arrivals in the coming coming days if the fighting continues.
[00:20:14] continues. And what is the latest latest from Yemen itself, Richard,
[00:20:17] Richard, in terms of the Houthis
[00:20:18] Houthis advance along the Red Sea
[00:20:22] Sea coast? Well, there are fierce
[00:20:25] fierce fighting is continuing. What What we are hearing at the moment
[00:20:29] moment is that the Houthi militias
[00:20:31] militias have attacked the southern
[00:20:34] southern province of the Saudi kingdom.
[00:20:37] kingdom. About 13 people there have have been wounded. The reports also
[00:20:40] also of about three people, have
[00:20:42] have been killed in the southwestern
[00:20:44] southwestern province of Taiz from
[00:20:47] from Saudi air strikes. So the situation situation seems to be escalating.
[00:20:51] escalating. The Duke and Duchess Duchess of Sussex have pulled their
[00:20:53] their children out of their new school school in the UK, and it's just two
[00:20:57] two days into the term. A spokesperson spokesperson said the decision was
[00:20:59] was taken after a discussion with with the family's protection team
[00:21:03] team about the practicalities of of their original arrangements. The
[00:21:05] The children are now at another school school and it's understood that Prince
[00:21:09] Prince Harry's publicly funded security security is to be subject to a fresh
[00:21:12] fresh review. As Ellie Price reports.
[00:21:16] reports. It was the first glimpse glimpse into the new life of the
[00:21:19] the Sussex family. An Instagram video
[00:21:21] video posted by Meghan, Duchess of of Sussex showing five-year-old Lilibet
[00:21:25] Lilibet and seven-year-old Archie. Archie. Their faces hidden enjoying
[00:21:28] enjoying a trip out. But now a spokesperson spokesperson for the family has confirmed
[00:21:31] confirmed the children have had to to change schools. Just days into
[00:21:35] into the new school term. The locations locations of the schools were of
[00:21:38] of course kept private, but even even so, it's understood that there
[00:21:41] there were concerns from the family's family's security team about the
[00:21:45] the practicalities of their first first choice. Prince Harry and his
[00:21:49] his wife Meghan lost their publicly publicly funded security when they
[00:21:52] they stepped back from royal duties
[00:21:53] duties and moved to the US in January
[00:21:56] January 2020. The Duke of Sussex Sussex appealed that decision, made
[00:21:59] made by Ravec, an independent body body overseen by the Home Office.
[00:22:02] Office. In the court last May and and lost. For the time being. It's
[00:22:06] It's impossible for me to take my my family back to the UK. I can't
[00:22:09] can't see a world in which I would would be bringing my wife and children
[00:22:13] children back to the UK at this point. point. It's totally normal. But this
[00:22:16] this summer the family did come back back first on holiday where Harry
[00:22:20] Harry appeared at various charity charity events. And now for what's
[00:22:23] what's been described as an extended extended period of time. As a result,
[00:22:26] result, it's understood the Sussexes Sussexes will be given a review of
[00:22:29] of their publicly funded security
[00:22:30] security now that they are full-time
[00:22:34] full-time residents rather than visitors. visitors. The King has made clear clear the pair will not be working
[00:22:38] working royals and will not carry carry out official engagements. But
[00:22:41] But their security may yet be stepped stepped up as if they were Ellie
[00:22:45] Ellie Price. BBC News. Billed as as TV's biggest night, the Primetime
[00:22:48] Primetime Emmy Awards have been taking taking place in Los Angeles. Winners
[00:22:52] Winners so far include talk show show host Stephen Colbert, Allison
[00:22:56] Allison Janney you might remember remember her from The West Wing, Wing, making history with her eighth
[00:23:00] eighth award and Welsh actor Matthew Matthew Rhys making history with
[00:23:03] with wins in two lead actor categories.
[00:23:05] categories. David Willis is an Alia.
[00:23:07] Alia. Emmy winner and Law and Order
[00:23:10] Order star Mariska Hargitay got a
[00:23:12] a celebration of the best in television. television. Off to a high energy
[00:23:15] energy start. The Emmy. And the Emmy
[00:23:20] Emmy goes to Kate O'Flynn Widow's Widow's Bay. The first award of the
[00:23:24] the night going to Kate O'Flynn from from Greater Manchester for her role
[00:23:28] role as the awkward assistant Patricia Patricia in the quirky new comedy
[00:23:31] comedy Widow's Bay. Hello, my name
[00:23:33] name is Patricia. It's Patricia.
[00:23:35] Patricia. Thank you Katie and Hiro Hiro for trusting this Lancashire
[00:23:38] Lancashire lass to play a sassy broad
[00:23:41] broad like Patricia. And the Emmy
[00:23:45] Emmy goes to Matthew Rhys The Beast
[00:23:48] Beast In Me. Matthew Rhys is the the star of Widow's Bay, but his
[00:23:51] his history making moment was still still to come. His first award of
[00:23:55] of the night was for his role in
[00:23:56] in the Netflix miniseries The Beast
[00:23:59] Beast In Me. Don't Let Me Down. Matthew
[00:24:02] Matthew Rhys. His Emmy for Widow's
[00:24:04] Widow's Bay, made him the first actor
[00:24:06] actor to win two lead acting trophies trophies in a single night. He is
[00:24:10] is also the first performer in history history to have won the lead acting
[00:24:14] acting award in all three fields.
[00:24:16] fields. Limited series, drama and
[00:24:18] and now comedy. Sorry buddy. To the
[00:24:22] the great and good people of Wales Wales who were as much a nurture
[00:24:25] nurture as anyone else. We are a a small but mighty nation. This is
[00:24:28] is incredible. Thank you very much.
[00:24:31] much. Thank you, thank you. In his his native Welsh, Matthew Rhys crowned
[00:24:34] crowned Widow's Bay his rapid transformation
[00:24:37] transformation from quirky newcomer newcomer to mainstream hit. He plays
[00:24:40] plays the hapless mayor of a New New England town that he refuses
[00:24:43] refuses to believe is haunted. Apple
[00:24:46] Apple TV has commissioned a second
[00:24:48] second series for the fifth year year in a row. 75-year-old Jean Smart,
[00:24:52] Smart, the star of Hacks, was named
[00:24:54] named best comedy actress. Jean Smart
[00:24:58] Smart Hacks. The hospital drama The
[00:25:00] The Pitt went into these awards with
[00:25:04] with 25 Emmy nominations, collecting collecting his Best Dramatic Actor
[00:25:06] Actor award. Its star, Noah Wyle
[00:25:09] Wyle paid tribute to fellow contender
[00:25:12] contender Sir Gary Oldman. Mr Oldman,
[00:25:13] Oldman, I have to tell you I don't
[00:25:16] don't know that as an actor my age age that didn't look at Prick Up
[00:25:18] Up Your Ears and Sid and Nancy and and think that's the benchmark that
[00:25:21] that I want to hit one day in my my career. The leading award of the
[00:25:25] the night for Best Drama went to
[00:25:27] to The Pitt amid the fall in Hollywood
[00:25:31] Hollywood production and flight to to other less expensive corners of
[00:25:34] of the world, including the UK and
[00:25:36] and Canada. The success of The Pitt
[00:25:38] Pitt provides at least a crumb of
[00:25:40] of comfort. It was made not in Pittsburgh
[00:25:43] Pittsburgh but on a soundstage here here in Los Angeles, and it's already
[00:25:46] already been commissioned for a third
[00:25:48] third series. David Willis, BBC News
[00:25:51] News at the Emmys. All the winners winners on the BBC News website as
[00:25:55] as well. Do stay with us here on
[00:25:58] on BBC News.
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[00:30:08] BBC News. These are the latest headlines
[00:30:16] headlines from BBC News. The United United States confirms for the first
[00:30:19] first time its deployed space weapons. weapons. China urges the US to stop
[00:30:23] stop preparing for war in space. space. A drone is shot down over
[00:30:27] over European Union airspace by Nato
[00:30:29] Nato fighter jets. Lithuania's president president says such readiness is
[00:30:33] is vital as Russia intensifies its
[00:30:35] its aggression against Ukraine. Babies Babies could have been saved at the
[00:30:38] the British hospital, where child child killer Lucy Letby worked. That's
[00:30:41] That's according to an inquiry into into the crimes of the former nurse.
[00:30:45] nurse. Trains across large parts parts of the Netherlands grind to
[00:30:47] to a halt because of what authorities authorities suspect are co-ordinated
[00:30:50] co-ordinated acts of sabotage on on the tracks. Nairobi in Kenya is
[00:30:54] is to become the first African city
[00:30:56] city to host the World Athletics Athletics Championships, beating
[00:30:59] beating rival bids from London and
[00:31:01] and Rome for the 2029 event. And And horror comedy Widow's Bay is
[00:31:05] is the big winner at the TV Emmy
[00:31:07] Emmy Awards, taking home 14 at the
[00:31:09] the ceremony in Los Angeles. Hello,
[00:31:19] Hello, I'm Lucy Hockings, good to to have you with us. Both Ukraine Ukraine and Russia have continued
[00:31:23] continued their strikes on each other other overnight. Ships and a warehouse
[00:31:26] warehouse were struck in Odesa. These These images, showing firefighters
[00:31:29] firefighters tackling a fire at a a warehouse in the region after a
[00:31:32] a Russian strike. The Russian city city of Taganrog, also coming under
[00:31:36] under a large-scale Ukrainian drone drone attack. The head of Ukraine's
[00:31:40] Ukraine's state Post Office, meanwhile, meanwhile, has told the BBC Russia Russia is deliberately targeting
[00:31:44] targeting his branches and delivery
[00:31:46] delivery vans. Igor Smelyansky said
[00:31:49] said this was because his staff provided provided a lifeline for millions
[00:31:52] millions left isolated by the war. war. Our diplomatic correspondent correspondent James Landale has been
[00:31:56] been out on the road in Ukraine, Ukraine, meeting some of the most
[00:31:59] most men and women who deliver more
[00:32:01] more than just parcels. This is all
[00:32:05] all that's left of Katerina's Post
[00:32:06] Post Office. Widowed by war. Forced
[00:32:09] Forced from her home. It was in this
[00:32:11] this building she rebuilt her life
[00:32:13] life until March when a Russian drone drone struck, targeting soldiers
[00:32:17] soldiers who'd worked nearby. So
[00:32:20] So that was your desk? Yeah. From
[00:32:24] From here. For two years, she served
[00:32:26] served as the village postmistress. postmistress. It's a great picture
[00:32:30] picture for me to lose this room.
[00:32:33] room. This was your life. This was
[00:32:34] was your work? Yeah. Yeah, I didn't
[00:32:40] didn't visit this room. It is first
[00:32:44] first time. Today, Katerina's new
[00:32:47] new office is this van. One of thousands thousands of mobile branches providing
[00:32:50] providing vital services to people people on the margins of society.
[00:32:54] society. And they don't just deliver deliver parcels. Most here in this
[00:32:58] this village near Zaporizhzhia are
[00:32:59] are collecting pensions or paying
[00:33:02] paying bills. It's a long way for
[00:33:04] for us to travel to Zaporizhzhia, Zaporizhzhia, especially now at a
[00:33:08] a time when there are attacks all
[00:33:10] all around. They also deliver medicines
[00:33:13] medicines and food and something
[00:33:16] something more intangible. It's very
[00:33:19] very important. It's one of the few few joys of the month. You come out,
[00:33:22] out, have a chat with people, collect
[00:33:24] collect your pension and go home.
[00:33:27] home. For security, Katerina travels travels with Slava, who's armed,
[00:33:30] armed, and they go from home to home,
[00:33:32] home, helping those most in need.
[00:33:34] need. Where would you be without
[00:33:37] without Kate? We would be stuffed.
[00:33:42] stuffed. Ukraine is a vast rural rural country made up of thousands
[00:33:45] thousands of remote villages just just like this. And the Postal Service
[00:33:48] Service is part of the glue that that holds it all together. And for
[00:33:52] for these people, not too far from
[00:33:54] from the front line, this van can
[00:33:57] can be their last link to the Ukrainian Ukrainian state. What do you think
[00:34:01] think people here think about you?
[00:34:04] you? They proud of me. They love
[00:34:09] love me. They need me. But this is
[00:34:16] is dangerous work. Russia has destroyed destroyed hundreds of branches and
[00:34:19] and vans and more than 50 postmen postmen and women have lost their
[00:34:23] their lives. The region, plan B.
[00:34:25] B. The head of Ukrposhta told me me they were deliberately targeted
[00:34:29] targeted and he faced a daily decision decision about where to deploy his
[00:34:32] his teams. If we don't go, they don't don't have basic supplies, they don't
[00:34:36] don't have food, they don't have have medicine. I mean, people will
[00:34:39] will struggle. If we do go, they
[00:34:42] they may delay the decision to evacuate
[00:34:45] evacuate from the areas they probably probably should have evacuated. For
[00:34:49] For their safety. Katerina and Slava
[00:34:50] Slava have just one antenna to detect
[00:34:53] detect drones. Do you not feel scared?
[00:34:55] scared? No. Why not? It's my luck.
[00:35:03] luck. Yeah yeah. If I can't, who
[00:35:09] who will do my job? Ukraine's defence
[00:35:11] defence comes in many forms and it's
[00:35:14] it's not always delivered at the the barrel of a gun. James Landale,
[00:35:17] Landale, BBC News near Zaporizhzhia. Zaporizhzhia. Here in the UK, an
[00:35:21] an inquiry has found that some of of the deaths of babies murdered
[00:35:24] murdered by neonatal nurse Lucy Lepe Lepe could have been prevented if
[00:35:28] if safeguarding practices had been been followed. Letby was convicted
[00:35:32] convicted in 2023 of seven murders murders of babies and attempting
[00:35:34] attempting to murder seven more.
[00:35:37] more. Lady Justice Thirlwall's report report sets out 17 recommendations
[00:35:41] recommendations the NHS must take take to prevent, detect and act when
[00:35:44] when deliberate harm is suspected. suspected. Lauren Moss reports. The
[00:35:47] The offences of murder and attempted attempted murder have been identified
[00:35:51] identified and you have been identified identified as a suspect of these
[00:35:54] these offences. Lucy Letby, seen seen here on police body camera footage
[00:35:57] footage arrested at her home on suspicion suspicion of murdering vulnerable
[00:36:01] vulnerable babies on a neonatal hospital
[00:36:04] hospital ward in 2015 and 2016. I
[00:36:05] I was at a job that you enjoyed.
[00:36:11] enjoyed. She would go on to be convicted convicted of murdering seven babies
[00:36:15] babies and attempting to murder seven seven others, making her the UK's
[00:36:19] UK's most prolific child killer of of modern times. Now, the findings
[00:36:22] findings of an inquiry led by a senior senior judge looking into how Letby
[00:36:26] Letby was able to harm those in her
[00:36:29] her care, has found huge failures failures in the NHS trust where she
[00:36:33] she worked and that babies may have have lived if senior managers had
[00:36:36] had acted sooner. The report describes
[00:36:39] describes dysfunctional management management and governance, a gulf
[00:36:42] gulf between hospital leadership leadership and clinicians, and failure
[00:36:46] failure to understand the fundamentals
[00:36:50] fundamentals of safeguarding. Errors Errors were made by nurses, doctors
[00:36:53] doctors and managers at the time time of. These events. I've set these
[00:36:57] these out in the report and will
[00:36:59] will turn to this topic later. There
[00:37:02] There was also complete failure at
[00:37:04] at all levels to invoke safeguarding
[00:37:07] safeguarding procedures at any point.
[00:37:09] point. The inquiry has found there
[00:37:11] there was a complete failure to protect
[00:37:14] protect babies on the neonatal unit. unit. There was a failure to understand
[00:37:18] understand the fundamentals of safeguarding safeguarding and that parents of
[00:37:21] of the babies were kept in the dark dark for years over concerns that
[00:37:25] that their babies may have been deliberately
[00:37:27] deliberately harmed. It says the
[00:37:29] the NHS must take steps to prevent,
[00:37:32] prevent, detect and act when deliberate
[00:37:35] deliberate harm is suspected. The
[00:37:37] The inquiry hasn't reviewed Letby
[00:37:39] Letby convictions. Protesters campaigning
[00:37:42] campaigning about Libby's innocence innocence gathered outside Liverpool
[00:37:44] Liverpool town Hall ahead of the
[00:37:47] the inquiry's report. Her legal team team asked for the inquiry to be
[00:37:50] be paused while her case is looked looked at by the Criminal Cases Review
[00:37:54] Review Commission, but that was denied. denied. A group of medical experts
[00:37:57] experts have questioned the evidence.
[00:37:58] evidence. In summary, ladies and and gentlemen, we did not find any
[00:38:02] any murders. The inquiry found clinicians
[00:38:05] clinicians who raised concerns about about Letby were themselves made
[00:38:08] made the subject of investigation investigation and forced to apologise
[00:38:11] apologise to her. It also found lessons lessons from previous scandals, including
[00:38:14] including the Harold Shipman case,
[00:38:16] case, had not been learnt. Solicitors Solicitors representing some of the
[00:38:20] the families of the babies say the
[00:38:22] the inquiry, which started hearing hearing evidence two years ago, has
[00:38:26] has been traumatic. The legal reality reality is that Lucy Letby has been
[00:38:29] been convicted. We have these long,
[00:38:31] long, often long running and often
[00:38:34] often expensive inquiries and they're they're very important for learning
[00:38:37] learning lessons. But often the recommendations recommendations are never implemented
[00:38:40] implemented and it's a betrayal not not just of the people who've suffered
[00:38:44] suffered in these cases, families families like those I represent.
[00:38:47] represent. It's actually betrayal
[00:38:49] betrayal of the public. The inquiry
[00:38:51] inquiry makes 17 urgent recommendations. recommendations. Lady Justice Thirlwall
[00:38:55] Thirlwall says nothing like this
[00:38:56] this must ever be allowed to happen
[00:38:59] happen again. Lauren Moss there. there. Let's return now to this news
[00:39:03] news that Russia has called for weapons
[00:39:05] weapons to be kept out of space after after the US military confirmed for
[00:39:08] for the first time that it's deployed deployed weapons in Earth's orbit.
[00:39:11] orbit. It's believed to be the first
[00:39:13] first public acknowledgement by Washington Washington of such capabilities.
[00:39:16] capabilities. China also criticising criticising Washington's move, urging
[00:39:20] urging the US to stop preparing for
[00:39:23] for war in space. But why would the the US acknowledge this now? Our
[00:39:26] Our defence correspondent Jonathan Jonathan Beale explains. It's strange.
[00:39:29] strange. That China and Russia should
[00:39:33] should criticise the US for something something that the US already accuses accuses them of. In other words,
[00:39:37] words, they say the US that both
[00:39:39] both Russia and China have tested tested weapons in space. But I think
[00:39:43] think I went to the US Space Force
[00:39:46] Force in Colorado last year and they
[00:39:48] they made clear that they were going
[00:39:50] going to defend their interests in in space, and that signalled that
[00:39:54] that they were going to use some
[00:39:57] some kind of weapon. And now we have have confirmation that they have
[00:40:00] have used weapon. Now the question, question, I guess, is what was the
[00:40:04] the weapon? So if you look at the the range of threats in space that
[00:40:07] that the US Space Force lists, it
[00:40:10] it is communications jamming of satellites,
[00:40:14] satellites, lasers down to grappling
[00:40:16] grappling hooks to manoeuver satellites
[00:40:18] satellites out of orbit, down to
[00:40:22] to using weapons essentially missiles
[00:40:25] missiles from the ground to space space to destroy satellite, which
[00:40:28] which China has carried out a test test of, according to the US. And
[00:40:31] And then Russia itself firing a projectile
[00:40:33] projectile from one satellite. And And again getting the condemnation
[00:40:37] condemnation of the US and other other countries, including the UK.
[00:40:40] UK. So I think that there are lots
[00:40:42] lots of potential. And it is you
[00:40:44] you know, for most of us it should should be concerning because we use
[00:40:48] use space every day in terms of communications,
[00:40:52] communications, internet banking, banking, transfers, and there is is the potential to take out satellites.
[00:40:56] satellites. Does it feel like an an important sort of threshold has has been crossed, though, with this
[00:40:59] this kind of acknowledgement? I think think it has. I think that, you know,
[00:41:03] know, there was I think when I went went to US briefings about five years
[00:41:06] years ago, the emphasis was on the the importance of the peaceful use
[00:41:10] use of space. And now I think everybody
[00:41:12] everybody accepts that, you know, know, they need to defend what they they have in space. And remember,
[00:41:16] remember, there are about 18,000
[00:41:18] 18,000 satellites, functioning satellites satellites in space and they are
[00:41:22] are taking steps. These big countries.
[00:41:26] countries. So I'd say China, which which is as far as the US is concerned,
[00:41:29] concerned, the pacing challenge Russia
[00:41:31] Russia and now the US to protect protect their own satellites, which
[00:41:35] which they need for fighting wars wars on the ground as well as in.
[00:41:38] in. How vulnerable would a military military be if its satellites were
[00:41:41] were taken out of action? I mean, mean, it would be catastrophic. I
[00:41:45] I mean, if you think about all those those aircraft that have been flying
[00:41:48] flying those long range bombing missions
[00:41:51] missions from the US to hit Iran,
[00:41:54] Iran, the weapons themselves that that are being used sometimes have
[00:41:58] have GPs, sometimes they have other other systems to guide them. But
[00:42:02] But space is pretty much. And US US Space Force has been active on
[00:42:05] on the ground in Iran. They're the the ones to detect the launch of
[00:42:09] of Iranian ballistic missiles, for
[00:42:11] for example. So if you did take out
[00:42:15] out a country's capabilities, satellites satellites in space, its guidance guidance systems and there are lots
[00:42:19] lots of military satellites up there, there, they would be in an awful
[00:42:22] awful lot of bother. Jonathan Beale Beale there around the world and
[00:42:26] and across the UK.
[00:43:29] adventure is far from offline. The
[00:43:30] The Travel Show on BBC iPlayer. Train
[00:43:37] Train travel across large parts of of the Netherlands has ground to
[00:43:40] to a standstill. Hours before the the ceremonial state opening of Parliament,
[00:43:44] Parliament, services in central and and eastern parts of the country
[00:43:46] country are suffering from severe severe disruption, and authorities
[00:43:50] authorities suspect this was a co-ordinated co-ordinated act of sabotage. So
[00:43:53] So what do we know? Let's take you you to our Europe correspondent Nick
[00:43:56] Nick Beake, who joins us now from
[00:43:58] from Brussels. What's going on in in terms of the disruption? Firstly,
[00:44:02] Firstly, Nick. Hi, Lucy. Yes, mainly
[00:44:05] mainly in the north and the east east of the country where the disruption
[00:44:08] disruption has been seen from early early this morning, it has to be be said. And the information we've
[00:44:12] we've got is from the Dutch rail rail operator saying that they're
[00:44:16] they're thinking that this is a co-ordinated
[00:44:18] co-ordinated act of sabotage. They're
[00:44:21] They're talking about around 30 spots,
[00:44:23] spots, mainly in rural locations. locations. These are places where
[00:44:26] where it seems that someone has attached attached some sort of tube or pipe
[00:44:30] pipe to the track. And the problem problem is that the computer system
[00:44:34] system detects this as being a part part of the track that's occupied.
[00:44:37] occupied. So in other words, the the computer thinks that there is
[00:44:41] is some sort of train there at the the moment. So that kicks into place
[00:44:44] place a red light. And so you get
[00:44:47] get all this disruption along the
[00:44:49] the tracks. And we've seen this today,
[00:44:51] today, lots of cancellations, lots lots of problems. The big question
[00:44:54] question I guess, Lucy, is who is is behind this. And we don't have
[00:44:57] have an answer to that. We know that
[00:44:59] that the various authorities, the
[00:45:02] the police prosecutors also intelligence intelligence agencies in the Netherlands
[00:45:05] Netherlands are looking into this. this. One thing to say, though, this
[00:45:09] this is the Dutch equivalent of the the state opening of Parliament.
[00:45:12] Parliament. It's when the King gives gives a speech, the government sets
[00:45:14] sets out its budget for the next
[00:45:17] next year and farmers had said that that they were going to protest in
[00:45:20] in some way today. They haven't said said that they're behind this, but
[00:45:23] but certainly lots of people, lots lots of groups in the Netherlands Netherlands unhappy about the budget
[00:45:27] budget for the year ahead. And so so that will certainly be one line
[00:45:30] line of inquiry that the authorities authorities will be looking at. And And like I say, there's also a few
[00:45:34] few problems on the roads because because some level crossings have have been shut. But what about access
[00:45:38] access to some of the big airports?
[00:45:40] airports? What about where you are are in Belgium? Any problems there?
[00:45:43] there? Has there been a spill-over spill-over effect? Well, I was having
[00:45:46] having a look a short time ago. Lucy,
[00:45:49] Lucy, to see whether there was wider wider disruption. I think some international
[00:45:53] international services to Germany Germany were certainly affected earlier. earlier. But looking at the latest
[00:45:56] latest from Eurostar, there doesn't doesn't seem to be any particular
[00:45:59] particular problem there. So for
[00:46:01] for now it appears to be confined confined to the Netherlands. As you
[00:46:04] you say, there were some problems problems on the roads because signal
[00:46:08] signal crossings were affected by by this because of the computer detecting
[00:46:12] detecting that there were things things on the line when actually actually there weren't. Also we did
[00:46:16] did see some fires that were started started and it seems that these were
[00:46:19] were bales of hay in certain parts parts of the country. So there was
[00:46:23] was smoke that was drifting across across onto highways, onto motorways,
[00:46:26] motorways, which were stopping traffic. traffic. The latest I've just seen
[00:46:28] seen is that the roads are now clear clear once again, but we had a quick
[00:46:32] quick chat with the rail operator operator and they say the disruption
[00:46:35] disruption is ongoing. Although they're
[00:46:37] they're trying to clear this as soon soon as possible. But of course it
[00:46:41] it takes some time to do that. All All the while investigators are looking
[00:46:43] looking into who may have been behind behind this. Nick, thank you so much.
[00:46:47] much. A number of people in Japan
[00:46:49] Japan who are aged 100 or older has
[00:46:53] has surpassed 100,000 for the first
[00:46:54] first time. Nearly 90% of the centenarians
[00:46:57] centenarians are women with the oldest
[00:47:01] oldest person being 114 years old. old. She's a woman from Kyoto. When
[00:47:04] When Japan's Ministry of Health first
[00:47:06] first began collecting data on centenarians
[00:47:09] centenarians in 1963, there were were only 153 of them in the country.
[00:47:13] country. So let's speak now to Doctor Doctor Saul Newman, a research fellow
[00:47:15] fellow at the Oxford Institute of of Population Ageing. He also authored
[00:47:19] authored the book Morbid Debunking
[00:47:21] Debunking Modern Longevity Science. Science. So you've got all the answers
[00:47:25] answers for us, I hope. What are are they doing in Japan in particular?
[00:47:29] particular? That means that they're they're living for longer. Saul.
[00:47:32] Saul. I think this is a very curious curious because 20 years ago the
[00:47:35] the exact same ministry more than than 20 years ago announced the exact
[00:47:38] exact same thing that they had got
[00:47:42] got over 100,000 living centenarians.
[00:47:44] centenarians. Now, in 2010, it turned turned out that 82% of those people
[00:47:47] people were actually dead, even though though even though they were claimed
[00:47:50] claimed to be alive by the ministry,
[00:47:53] ministry, they were ghosts in a filing filing cabinet. And yet now, even
[00:47:57] even though we have no new methods methods of detecting these, exactly
[00:48:00] exactly the same kind of error, we're
[00:48:02] we're in the same place again. So
[00:48:05] So the short answer is there is no
[00:48:07] no secret because the data are incredibly
[00:48:12] incredibly unreliable the methods methods haven't changed and we still
[00:48:15] still cannot detect these sort of of basic errors that occur in age
[00:48:18] age validation. What would be the the reason behind this? Do we know
[00:48:21] know that they would be fabricating fabricating this? Well, it's not
[00:48:25] not necessarily fabricating. I mean
[00:48:26] mean if nobody reports your death,
[00:48:29] death, you can't do it. You know,
[00:48:31] know, it's oh, and in Japan you have
[00:48:34] have this remarkable system called called the Koseki system, where households
[00:48:37] households and the head of the household household needs to report a death.
[00:48:41] death. So if you have a system like like this, you often end up with
[00:48:44] with a shambles where people are
[00:48:47] are long dead, but they're kept alive alive in filing cabinets. There's
[00:48:51] There's even a word in Japanese for
[00:48:53] for this kodokushi where people die die and not discovered to be dead
[00:48:56] dead for a long time and they remain
[00:48:59] remain alive and often over the age
[00:49:01] age of 100. I do think, though, that
[00:49:05] that on the whole, people imagine
[00:49:07] imagine or believe that the Japanese
[00:49:09] Japanese are healthier live a better
[00:49:13] better life, meditate, you know, know, do all these different things,
[00:49:17] things, particularly with their diets diets that mean that they live on
[00:49:19] on average. Is that true? It's true. true. Yes. On average this is true.
[00:49:23] true. I mean, they have excellent
[00:49:26] excellent average lifespans. It's It's really at this sort of nice
[00:49:30] nice round figures at the margins margins where we go wrong because
[00:49:33] because the odds of having bad paperwork paperwork are far better than the
[00:49:36] the odds of reaching age 100. And
[00:49:39] And again, the Japanese Ministry
[00:49:41] Ministry of Health dramatically demonstrated demonstrated this when they investigated
[00:49:45] investigated whether or not 280 odd
[00:49:48] odd thousand people were alive. It It was slightly less. And they discovered
[00:49:52] discovered that 230 000 people, at at least were dead. You know, they
[00:49:54] they had these people alive on the
[00:49:56] the record books, but they were they
[00:49:59] they were gone. So so what do we we know? Are there things, though,
[00:50:01] though, that help us live longer?
[00:50:04] longer? This is very simple. I mean, mean, talk to your doctor, do some
[00:50:07] some exercise. Don't drink, don't
[00:50:08] don't smoke. You know, there are
[00:50:11] are some societal level helpers, helpers, you know, having lots of
[00:50:15] of money and free healthcare. Really
[00:50:17] Really the key. But beyond that, that, you know, if you look at these
[00:50:21] these edge cases, these extreme outliers, outliers, you don't get any more
[00:50:24] more information. And often it's it's highly counterproductive. So
[00:50:27] So what about diet? That's always always cited as being a very big
[00:50:30] big one. I think diet is really curious.
[00:50:34] curious. I think it's not clear to
[00:50:36] to me I'm not a dietician, but you you get an extraordinary diversity
[00:50:40] diversity of answers, let's put it it that way. Some you know, the ones
[00:50:43] ones I would go with would be the the sort of solid, reliable professionals
[00:50:47] professionals who say some more vegetables. vegetables. But beyond that, I can't
[00:50:51] can't really comment. OK, doctor doctor Saul Newman, interesting to to talk to you. Thanks so much for
[00:50:55] for joining us. Lots more to come. come. I hope you can stay with us
[00:50:58] us here on BBC News.
[00:51:21] in association with Turkish Airlines.
[00:51:25] Airlines. I'm travelling through through Japan, going off the beaten
[00:51:28] beaten track to find out what makes
[00:51:30] makes this country unique. This is
[00:51:33] is ultimate Japan. This time I visit
[00:51:38] visit Toba in the South to witness witness the ultimate Japanese fishing
[00:51:41] fishing tradition. I'm on a small
[00:51:44] small island in an area called Toba,
[00:51:46] Toba, which is home to one of Japan's
[00:51:48] Japan's most unusual communities communities a group, mostly women
[00:51:52] women who over generations have forged forged a really tight bond with both
[00:51:56] both the sea and nature generally.
[00:52:05] generally. AMA are iconic Japanese
[00:52:08] Japanese freedivers who collect seafood, seafood, seaweed and even pearls
[00:52:11] pearls from the sea floor. Almost
[00:52:14] Almost all AMA are women, and many
[00:52:16] many keep diving until their 70s.
[00:52:18] 70s. 80s and even 90s diving without
[00:52:23] without oxygen in their traditional traditional white outfits. It's a a centuries old way of life that's
[00:52:27] that's been passed down through generations,
[00:52:30] generations, but today's divers under under threat from all the pressures
[00:52:34] pressures of modernity, are having having to adapt. Like here, displaying
[00:52:37] displaying their skills for tourists.
[00:52:42] tourists. Talbi what is this show
[00:52:45] show about? Amazon. I. Uno. Simon
[00:52:54] Simon King. Which do you prefer getting
[00:52:58] getting real fish or would you like like doing this and performing to
[00:53:02] to tourists. Or not? No I. It's kind
[00:53:11] kind of ironic because for a long
[00:53:12] long time Japan was a homogenous homogenous and quite inward looking
[00:53:16] looking society. But it's outsiders,
[00:53:20] outsiders, tourists who are now providing providing a major industry here.
[00:53:22] here. But rest assured elsewhere elsewhere there is still some genuine
[00:53:26] genuine AMA diving going on a few
[00:53:29] few miles along the shore in Asatsu Asatsu I meet some divers who are
[00:53:33] are still making a living from this
[00:53:34] this traditional form of fishing.
[00:53:40] fishing. Abha he Abha so they. MUSIC
[00:53:52] MUSIC Aizawa
[00:53:54] Aizawa Umi Asa yukimasu so I don't
[00:53:59] don't know. Oyo State what more.
[00:54:10] more. I. Know that. Yet these AMA
[00:54:18] AMA still need to supplement their their income by preparing meals for.
[00:54:21] for. Well, people like me. How is
[00:54:25] is it different now diving to when
[00:54:28] when you first started doing it?
[00:54:37] it? Solheim Cup. And why do you think
[00:54:42] think that is? Do you think AMA diving
[00:54:46] diving will carry on? I know. MUSIC
[00:55:04] MUSIC Even Even having spent just a few hours hours with these charming ladies
[00:55:07] ladies has made me realise that the the traditional old ways aren't just
[00:55:11] just romantic. They actually offer offer a viable way of life for the
[00:55:15] the next generation. It was really really interesting to learn that that people are coming back here
[00:55:19] here to actually live and work as
[00:55:21] as AMA divers. Maybe it's just very
[00:55:24] very Japanese. The past is also the
[00:55:28] the future.
[00:55:40] in association with Turkish
[00:59:20] I was on air when the London seven over seven attacks happened.
[00:59:24] happened. That day was different different because of the sheer volume
[00:59:27] volume of information we were grappling grappling with in real time. We couldn't
[00:59:30] couldn't let the desperation for for news influence our reporting
[00:59:34] reporting or be overwhelmed by the the magnitude of what we were witnessing.
[00:59:37] witnessing. Today, as we wade through through endless waves of misinformation,
[00:59:41] misinformation, it's vital that we we don't just ask the questions.
[00:59:45] questions. We question the answers. answers. I'm Matthew Amroliwala on
[00:59:48] on Verified Live for BBC News.
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