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[00:00:20] Welcome back and let's get more
[00:00:22] on artificial intelligence with King
[00:00:24] King Charles urging tech bosses to
[00:00:26] to develop a sufficient means of of controlling the technology before,
[00:00:30] before, in his words, it all becomes becomes too late. Well, addressing
[00:00:34] addressing figures from Nvidia, Google, Google, DeepMind, OpenAI, Anthropic
[00:00:37] Anthropic and others, the King warned warned of the existential dangers
[00:00:40] dangers of AI falling into the wrong
[00:00:42] wrong hands. Well, Suresh Venkatasubramanian
[00:00:46] Venkatasubramanian is the director director of centre for Technological Technological Responsibility at Brown
[00:00:49] Brown University. I asked him a little little earlier what he thought of
[00:00:52] of the wealth of warnings that have have come from AI bosses. I have
[00:00:56] have very mixed feelings about this. this. On the one hand, I'm very glad
[00:01:00] glad that we're, you know, starting starting again. It seems every six
[00:01:02] six months we start again to have have a discussion about the impact
[00:01:06] impact and the harms that can come come from an unchecked deployment deployment of AI in the world and
[00:01:10] and in various places. But I'm also also very disappointed that these
[00:01:13] these conversations are happening. happening. Even the summit that you're you're having in the UK right now
[00:01:17] now are apparently only happening happening with the tech companies
[00:01:21] companies who are in some ways directly directly responsible for the mess
[00:01:23] mess we find ourselves in and that that we're not hearing from broader
[00:01:26] broader voices. I remember, you know, know, three years ago when the UK
[00:01:30] UK hosted the first AI safety summit summit in Bletchley Park and our
[00:01:33] our Vice President at the time, Kamala Kamala Harris, came in and asked
[00:01:36] asked very pointedly, safety for for whom? And then three years passed
[00:01:40] passed and first of all, nothing nothing happened. The tech companies companies did nothing to make sure
[00:01:43] sure the systems were safer. And
[00:01:46] And the UK itself, your you know, know, you're very well respected.
[00:01:49] respected. AI Safety Institute decided decided to rebrand itself as an AI
[00:01:52] AI Security Institute and remove remove the word safety from the discussion.
[00:01:56] discussion. So it seems like we've we've had this collective amnesia amnesia for three years, and now
[00:02:00] now suddenly we're waking up again again and say, wait, wait, we should should think about safety all over
[00:02:03] over again. And so that's a little little disappointing, I think. Briefly Briefly before we come on to some
[00:02:06] some of the wider issues, you said said that you're disappointed it
[00:02:09] it who is there at the summit. So
[00:02:11] So who else should be there. Here's
[00:02:15] Here's the problem with a lot of of the discussions around AI right
[00:02:17] right now. The tech companies want want us to believe in all the benefits
[00:02:20] benefits of AI. We just heard from from the CEO of Nvidia about this.
[00:02:24] this. Those benefits will accrue accrue almost directly to the people people who work at those tech companies,
[00:02:28] companies, but the harms are being being distributed everywhere. And And this is not even something new.
[00:02:31] new. We've seen the harms of AI and
[00:02:35] and incommensurately apply to people people who are already disadvantaged disadvantaged to begin with, and
[00:02:39] and we don't hear from any of those those folks. We don't hear from civil
[00:02:42] civil society. We don't hear from from people inside governments who
[00:02:44] who are working to make sure we actually actually use AI responsibly. All
[00:02:48] All we hear from is the people who who are putting the systems out there. there. They are not the only people
[00:02:52] people who should be in the room. room. More on that AI summit coming
[00:02:55] coming up a little later. Let's turn turn to South Africa though now because
[00:02:58] because another body has been discovered discovered following a spate of killings
[00:03:02] killings of women near Johannesburg, Johannesburg, nine women have been
[00:03:05] been killed over the last two months. months. Police say they're trying
[00:03:08] trying to work out any connections. connections. Most of the bodies have
[00:03:11] have been found either partially partially or fully naked. South Africa
[00:03:14] Africa has one of the highest rates rates of femicide in the world. Our
[00:03:18] Our South Africa correspondent Nomsa Nomsa Maseko has more. The woman
[00:03:22] woman whose body was found here earlier
[00:03:24] earlier is believed to be in her
[00:03:26] her 30s. She was found partially partially naked with her throat cut.
[00:03:29] cut. Police believe she was murdered murdered elsewhere and that her body
[00:03:33] body was deliberately dumped here here near a residential area so that
[00:03:37] that her body could be found. The The recent spate of killings has
[00:03:40] has sparked public outrage and fear, fear, raising new questions about
[00:03:44] about the scale of gender based violence
[00:03:46] violence in South Africa. You know, know, I'm scared. I'm angry. I'm
[00:03:50] I'm upset. I'm nervous. I am everything.
[00:03:53] everything. I'm shattered. This is
[00:03:57] is bad in the a country where there
[00:04:00] there is democracy. But we experience experience we are faced with this
[00:04:03] this challenge of murdering women. women. We are parents. We are young.
[00:04:07] young. We. We like. We are even scared
[00:04:10] scared now to come out of your house. house. You are scared to go to the
[00:04:13] the shop. You are scared to go anywhere. anywhere. We are no longer free in in the country. We're supposed to
[00:04:17] to be free and to be safe as women. women. There's widespread speculation
[00:04:21] speculation that the recent murders murders have been committed by a
[00:04:23] a serial killer, but police have.
[00:04:25] have. Not confirmed this yet. The
[00:04:27] The acting police commissioner has has said investigators are following
[00:04:30] following up on all possible leads.
[00:04:33] leads. It's still very early to make
[00:04:36] make any conclusions about this body
[00:04:38] body that has been found here. However,
[00:04:41] However, because we are having currently currently a multidisciplinary team
[00:04:44] team that was assembled already on on Sunday when the acting provincial
[00:04:47] provincial commissioner made a call,
[00:04:49] call, it was also joined by the National
[00:04:54] National Forensic, a investigative investigative psychology unit, so
[00:04:55] so that they can assist with the
[00:04:58] the profiling of the victims as well
[00:05:00] well to look at the similarities
[00:05:03] similarities and if there is any, any, a connection that can be made
[00:05:06] made on all the bodies. Women have have been urged not to walk or run
[00:05:10] run alone and avoid secluded spaces.
[00:05:13] spaces. Officials have said the warnings warnings are not about restricting
[00:05:16] restricting the freedom of women
[00:05:18] women to move, exercise or live their their lives, but that it's all about
[00:05:22] about taking reasonable precautions.
[00:05:24] precautions. While police continue
[00:05:26] continue with their investigations. investigations. Nomsa Maseko BBC
[00:05:30] BBC News, Johannesburg. We'll have have much more on that story in about
[00:05:33] about an hour's time here on BBC BBC News. That will be the subject
[00:05:37] subject of our big story here. Also
[00:05:39] Also later on the BBC News YouTube
[00:05:41] YouTube channel. Now. MUSIC
[00:05:54] MUSIC I I know this might sound weird, but
[00:05:57] but I've been obsessed with the oldest
[00:05:59] oldest person in the world for
[00:06:04] years. Meet adventurous, Brooklyn Brooklyn based, Oscar nominated filmmaker
[00:06:07] filmmaker Sam Green. Since 2015, 2015, he's been travelling the world,
[00:06:11] world, chronicling the forever changing changing holders of the title of
[00:06:14] of oldest person in the world. Its
[00:06:17] Its survey has included Kane Tanaka Tanaka in Japan, who held the title
[00:06:20] title for four years. And then there's
[00:06:23] there's the oldest person ever, Jeanne
[00:06:25] Jeanne Louise Calment, who when she
[00:06:27] she died in 1997, was 122 years old. old. In her later years she recorded
[00:06:31] recorded a rap album, the thing I
[00:06:34] I liked about the film Sam Green's Green's investigation of these very
[00:06:37] very senior citizens has become a a lifelong project. A documentary
[00:06:41] documentary based on his survey so so far has just been released. His
[00:06:44] His long been fascinated by why the
[00:06:46] the news media and the public are
[00:06:48] are so interested in the title holder holder of the oldest person in the
[00:06:52] the world. To this day I still don't don't fully understand it. Is this
[00:06:56] this a fear of death? Is this a fear
[00:06:59] fear of fate or a you know, one of
[00:07:02] of those things like with the car
[00:07:04] car crash where you can't look away away but you don't want to look at
[00:07:07] at it? In making his documentary, documentary, Sam Green found there
[00:07:11] there was nearly always a desire desire on the part of others to find
[00:07:14] find out if there's a secret to longevity.
[00:07:16] longevity. The elderly people, he he observed, had all kinds of answers
[00:07:19] answers for why they'd led a long long life. One woman stated she'd
[00:07:23] she'd live for a long time because because she'd stayed away from men.
[00:07:26] men. She also said her secret was was eating three raw eggs a day.
[00:07:30] day. Two, you know, so it's like like the media descends on these
[00:07:33] these people. Everybody asks them them what their secret is and they
[00:07:37] they say something and everybody everybody runs with that. This documentary
[00:07:40] documentary often shows that other other people, the outside world is
[00:07:44] is often much more intrigued by the the oldest person in the world than
[00:07:47] than the subjects who hold that title. title. But this film isn't just about
[00:07:51] about the very old. It's also about about life and death and events in
[00:07:55] in the filmmaker's own life the birth birth of a son and his own confrontation
[00:07:59] confrontation with a life threatening threatening illness. These things things started to creep into the
[00:08:03] the movie, so over time it becomes
[00:08:05] becomes a larger meditation, I hope,
[00:08:08] hope, about time and the mysteries mysteries of being alive and fate
[00:08:12] fate and all these big questions
[00:08:14] questions that we ask ourselves.
[00:08:17] ourselves. The last person I interviewed, interviewed, a Spanish woman named
[00:08:21] named Maria Branyas, she was very very funny. She even was making fun
[00:08:24] fun of me, which I love. But in. in. At a moment in the interview
[00:08:28] interview she said, you are
[00:08:33] young. I know. So now is the time time to do good works. What she was
[00:08:36] was saying is you're young and you
[00:08:38] you have time, so use it. And I think
[00:08:41] think that's a beautiful thing to
[00:08:45] to appreciate. Over the last ten ten years, Sam Green has met many
[00:08:49] many of those who've held the title title of oldest person in the world.
[00:08:53] world. But there's been one holdout
[00:08:55] holdout the current title holder, holder, 117-year-old Ethel Caterham,
[00:08:59] Caterham, who lives in Surrey just
[00:09:01] just outside London. She was born born in Edwardian times. She is the
[00:09:05] the first person in ten years who
[00:09:08] who has rebuffed my overtures. But But she did let King Charles visit
[00:09:12] visit her, didn't she? When I saw
[00:09:14] saw a video of her in King Charles
[00:09:17] Charles and I thought, Charles, not
[00:09:19] not me. You know she's British. She's
[00:09:22] She's the last Edwardian. So I guess guess she feels some allegiance to
[00:09:26] to the King. But you know, come on. on. I've been doing this for ten
[00:09:29] ten years. Even though this documentary documentary focuses on the very old
[00:09:32] old and very fragile. It makes the the point that there is much to learn
[00:09:36] learn from observing them and from from the filmmaker himself about
[00:09:39] about what it means to live a thoughtful
[00:09:41] thoughtful life. It is an unexpectedly
[00:09:45] unexpectedly life affirming film.
[00:13:28] MUSIC
[00:13:41] Being able to inspire someone
[00:13:43] is always the greatest joy. I saw
[00:13:46] saw Sienna one time at the Grammys Grammys and she said that she studied studied some of my songs for the
[00:13:50] the songwriting, and I thought that that that was the biggest compliment
[00:13:53] compliment ever. States. Etait sacrifies...
[00:14:03] MUSIC
[00:14:09] My support for Ukraine is unwavering.
[00:14:13] unwavering. It is 100%. When the
[00:14:15] the big names talk. They talk to
[00:14:17] to us
[00:15:07] MUSIC
[00:15:10] Live from London. This is BBC News.
[00:15:16] News. King Charles urges Silicon Silicon Valley bosses to develop
[00:15:19] develop sufficient controls for AI AI amid fresh calls for safeguards
[00:15:23] safeguards from another senior tech
[00:15:25] tech figure. Those in our world who
[00:15:28] who value deeply our humanity and
[00:15:31] and its vital moral component are
[00:15:33] are anxiously seeking your reassurance
[00:15:37] reassurance that we will not lose
[00:15:38] lose control of our destiny or our
[00:15:41] our souls. We're essentially ceding
[00:15:45] ceding a new silicon species, which which will no doubt compete with
[00:15:48] with us for resources. Buckingham Buckingham Palace is in a war of
[00:15:52] of words with Princess Diana's brother brother over his controversial memoir
[00:15:56] memoir about her life and death. death. South African police say they