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[00:00:09] It's 6pm in London. This is the
[00:00:12] world today with Maryam Moshiri. Moshiri. King Charles warns of the
[00:00:15] the existential dangers of AI systems systems falling into the wrong hands
[00:00:19] hands as he addresses tech leaders
[00:00:21] leaders at a summit in Scotland.
[00:00:23] Scotland. Those in our world who
[00:00:25] who value deeply our humanity and
[00:00:28] and its vital moral component are
[00:00:30] are anxiously seeking your reassurance
[00:00:34] reassurance that we will not lose
[00:00:35] lose control of our destiny or our
[00:00:38] our souls. More allegations from
[00:00:40] from Earl Spencer in the latest extract extract from his book on Princess
[00:00:44] Princess Diana. He claims the then
[00:00:46] then Prince Charles sounded giddily giddily elated on the night Princess
[00:00:50] Princess Diana died. South African
[00:00:52] African police say they found a ninth ninth woman killed near Johannesburg
[00:00:55] Johannesburg in a spate of murders,
[00:00:57] murders, causing fear and outrage
[00:00:59] outrage in the country. Also coming
[00:01:02] coming up on the world today, we'll we'll speak to the founder of the
[00:01:06] the London pizzeria that's been voted
[00:01:07] voted the best in the world. Hello
[00:01:19] Hello and a very warm welcome to
[00:01:23] to The World Today on BBC News. Well,
[00:01:24] Well, King Charles has warned AI AI executives of the existential
[00:01:27] existential dangers posed by the the technology falling into the wrong
[00:01:30] wrong hands as he hosted a conference conference on the issue in Scotland.
[00:01:34] Scotland. He told participants from
[00:01:36] from firms including OpenAI and Anthropic, Anthropic, as well as Chinese representatives,
[00:01:40] representatives, that they must urgently urgently consider the dangers of
[00:01:43] of AI being used in potentially catastrophic
[00:01:45] catastrophic ways. The King urged urged them to implement controls
[00:01:48] controls before it's too late. Those
[00:01:51] Those who have created these technologies technologies are now increasingly
[00:01:55] increasingly warning that AI risks
[00:01:57] risks developing darker capacities.
[00:02:00] capacities. Perhaps even to take
[00:02:02] take life. And in this regard, if
[00:02:04] if I may say so, there seems urgency
[00:02:08] urgency in adequately considering considering the existential dangers
[00:02:12] dangers of such technologies falling
[00:02:14] falling into the wrong hands and
[00:02:17] and being used in potentially catastrophic
[00:02:19] catastrophic ways. Well, recent doomsday doomsday scenarios have prompted
[00:02:23] prompted tech bosses to join discussions discussions on how to protect humanity
[00:02:27] humanity from rogue AI. Jensen Huang
[00:02:29] Huang is president and CEO of Nvidia. Nvidia. He attended the summit at
[00:02:33] at Dumfries House in Ayrshire and and answered the question whether
[00:02:36] whether people are right to be afraid afraid of artificial intelligence.
[00:02:39] intelligence. Well, it's very powerful powerful technology. It could be
[00:02:43] be used for incredible things. Of Of course it could be used for ill.
[00:02:46] ill. And so we have to build this
[00:02:49] this technology safely and securely securely and responsibly. And but
[00:02:52] but we have to do it with, if you
[00:02:55] you will, responsible optimism because because the impact and the benefit
[00:02:58] benefit is going to bring to society
[00:03:00] society is so, so incredible. Well,
[00:03:03] Well, let's cross live and speak speak to Isabel Ryle, who is the the director at Prairie. It's one
[00:03:07] one of the main AI analytical programmes programmes in France. Thank you so
[00:03:10] so much for joining us. And let me me just start by asking you what
[00:03:13] what you make of what we've seen seen today and that kind of push
[00:03:16] push by King Charles to ensure, in
[00:03:19] in his words, that those within AI
[00:03:22] AI don't allow it to become a danger
[00:03:24] danger to society. Thank you. Hello.
[00:03:29] Hello. I think that AI is beneficial beneficial in many fields. As it
[00:03:34] it was mentioned in health care and
[00:03:36] and medical imaging and so on. But
[00:03:39] But we don't know exactly today how
[00:03:41] how it works and why it works. So So for me, it's very important to.
[00:03:45] to. It's a very important things things is continuing all research
[00:03:49] research that helps us understanding
[00:03:52] understanding AI and its impact, impact, understanding LLMs to capture
[00:03:55] capture the theoretical properties, properties, to understand how training
[00:03:58] training data can influence their their behaviour. To have more safety
[00:04:02] safety guarantees. And of course course to link the impact of AI on
[00:04:05] on economy, jobs and so on. So I
[00:04:08] I think that politicians, policymakers
[00:04:10] policymakers should of course pay
[00:04:13] pay attention to this technology,
[00:04:14] technology, but also consult extensively.
[00:04:21] extensively. Scientists before being being afraid by big announcements
[00:04:23] announcements made by people who who have their own trajectory and
[00:04:26] and their whole lives. And that's
[00:04:30] that's interesting because the announcements announcements you're referring to to have been in the news recently
[00:04:33] recently a warnings that there's there's a 10% chance AI could destroy
[00:04:37] destroy humanity. Those are things things that stay in people's minds.
[00:04:40] minds. What do you think governments
[00:04:42] governments need to do then, in terms
[00:04:45] terms of AI companies. Government
[00:04:51] Government monitoring AI since 2017?
[00:04:54] 2017? I think most of the country
[00:04:57] country has their own strategy, and
[00:04:59] and I think that they are looking
[00:05:01] looking very carefully on companies
[00:05:03] companies and develop AI. Our problem
[00:05:06] problem is here that we have much
[00:05:08] much more big tech companies in US.
[00:05:12] US. Companies essentially, that have
[00:05:14] have their own context and they have
[00:05:17] have announcements that arise. Many Many questions for me, for example,
[00:05:21] example, imminence of an initial initial public offering, release
[00:05:25] release of competitive open source
[00:05:27] source Chinese models, etc, etc.
[00:05:29] etc. So I think that all governments
[00:05:32] governments in Europe should be concerned
[00:05:37] concerned with these topics, but
[00:05:40] but not to not too much manipulated
[00:05:43] manipulated by all these big announcements.
[00:05:45] announcements. You have one excitement
[00:05:48] excitement six months. OK. Isabelle. Isabelle. Isabelle. Well, great to
[00:05:51] to talk to you. Thank you very much much indeed for joining us. Thank
[00:05:54] Thank you. Well, let's take you to to another royal story now because
[00:05:58] because Earl Spencer has made more more deeply personal attacks on the
[00:06:02] the King in new extracts from his his book, which had just been published published or released, excuse me,
[00:06:05] me, by the Daily Mail. He claims claims that on the night that Princess
[00:06:09] Princess Diana, his sister, died, died, the then Prince Charles sounded
[00:06:13] sounded giddily elated, like a lottery lottery winner. Well, the book swan
[00:06:16] swan song Diana my sister alleges alleges the King told Diana's brother
[00:06:20] brother we'll forget her soon enough.
[00:06:22] enough. After her death in 1997 and and that Charles subjected the earl
[00:06:25] earl to a stream of anger after he he insisted Diana would not have
[00:06:29] have wanted Princes William and Harry,
[00:06:31] Harry, then aged 15 and 12, to walk
[00:06:34] walk in her funeral procession in in an unusually strong response,
[00:06:37] response, the palace hit back on on Wednesday, saying that the pain
[00:06:40] pain of fraternal grief can cloud cloud reason and colour memory. Well,
[00:06:44] Well, let's cross live and speak speak to our royal correspondent correspondent Noor Nanji, who's in
[00:06:47] in Greenwich in south London, where where Prince Harry is attending an
[00:06:50] an event connected to his Invictus Invictus Games. But first of all,
[00:06:53] all, before we talk about that, let's let's talk a little bit about the
[00:06:56] the latest revelations that we're we're hearing. And I mentioned earlier
[00:07:00] earlier a robust rebuff from the the Palace yesterday. No reaction
[00:07:03] reaction today, though, to the latest
[00:07:04] latest lines that the Daily Mail
[00:07:07] Mail has published. That's right. right. The reaction from the Palace
[00:07:10] Palace is very much the same as the
[00:07:12] the one that we had last night, which
[00:07:15] which is essentially to suggest that
[00:07:16] that Earl Spencer's grief may have
[00:07:19] have coloured his memory and those those lines that we got from the
[00:07:22] the palace then and now remain very
[00:07:25] very surprising. You know, we don't don't normally hear the palace respond
[00:07:28] respond in such strong terms. Of Of course, the famous royal family
[00:07:31] family motto is very much never explain, explain, never complain. But very
[00:07:35] very much on this occasion they are are feeling the need to say something.
[00:07:38] something. And that's because these these claims that are coming out,
[00:07:41] out, you know, bit by bit yesterday yesterday and today, and we'll carry
[00:07:44] carry on in the coming days from from Earl Spencer's new book are
[00:07:48] are obviously quite damaging for for the royal family in particular
[00:07:52] particular for the King at the moment moment with the revelations we've
[00:07:54] we've had yesterday and today, today, today, as you mentioned, just in
[00:07:57] in the last hour or so, we had those those latest lines from the book,
[00:08:01] book, which has been serialised in in the mail, which suggested Earl
[00:08:04] Earl Spencer was suggesting that that the then Prince Charles sounded
[00:08:08] sounded giddily elated, like a lottery lottery winner when on the night
[00:08:11] night that Diana, Princess of Wales,
[00:08:15] Wales, died and that he suspected suspected he was, he was happy that
[00:08:18] that he was freed up to then marry marry the woman that he loved. And
[00:08:21] And of course that is deeply damaging. damaging. But as I say, the response response from the palace so far is
[00:08:25] is very much the same as the response response they'd issued yesterday,
[00:08:29] yesterday, which is, as I say, very very much the sense that fraternal
[00:08:32] fraternal grief may be colouring colouring recollections. OK, Nora,
[00:08:35] Nora, just talk us through what you
[00:08:38] you are doing in Greenwich because because it's a big day today for
[00:08:41] for Prince Harry. He's back in the the UK and he's back doing what he
[00:08:45] he loves, heavily involved in his
[00:08:47] his Invictus Games. That's absolutely absolutely right. So today has been
[00:08:51] been a really big day for a lot of of the members of the royal family. family. We've had of course, you
[00:08:55] you heard a little bit there about about the King and the AI summit. summit. We've had the Prince and
[00:08:59] and Princess of Wales out and about about in the Isle of Bute. But today,
[00:09:03] today, this evening is all about about Prince Harry, the Duke of Sussex
[00:09:06] Sussex here in Greenwich at this this Invictus Games related event.
[00:09:10] event. It is Invictus Spirit Awards Awards and it is linked to those
[00:09:13] those games that he set up. Of course, course, he founded very much aiming
[00:09:16] aiming to celebrate the achievements achievements of injured servicemen servicemen and servicewomen. And
[00:09:20] And we know that it's something that that Prince Harry is so passionate
[00:09:23] passionate about. He describes them them as a family. Invictus community,
[00:09:27] community, and it's something that that he really champions and he does.
[00:09:30] does. Even when he was in the States States living in the US., he would
[00:09:33] would come back here and attend events events related to it. Now, of course,
[00:09:36] course, he's moved back here and and this is the first big public
[00:09:39] public event that he's attending attending since moving back. It's
[00:09:41] It's worth mentioning that we had had there were some expectations
[00:09:45] expectations and hopes for some that that Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex,
[00:09:48] Sussex, would be joining. We don't don't believe that's going to be
[00:09:51] be the case. Sources close to the the Sussex family say that her priority
[00:09:54] priority at the moment is settling settling Archie Lilibet into their
[00:09:57] their new routine. Of course, the the children have just moved over
[00:10:00] over here as well, so that is her her priority for now. So we're not
[00:10:04] not expecting to see her here today. today. But Prince Harry is very much
[00:10:07] much expected to attend and usually usually he gets a hero's reception
[00:10:10] reception here. He's very loved in in this community, this Invictus
[00:10:13] Invictus community as he calls them. them. OK, Nora, great to talk to
[00:10:16] to you. Thank you very much indeed.
[00:10:19] indeed. Well, it is a very busy day, day, isn't it? In terms of the royal
[00:10:23] royal family, both with engagements engagements but also those latest
[00:10:26] latest lines coming from Earl Spencer's Spencer's book. Let's dive a little
[00:10:29] little bit more deeply into what what all this means with Victoria
[00:10:33] Victoria Howard, royal commentator commentator and founder of The Crown Crown Chronicles. Victoria, great
[00:10:36] great to have you on the show. Let Let me ask you first of all, for
[00:10:39] for a little bit of a kind of insight insight into what we're seeing now.
[00:10:42] now. It just feels like a very busy
[00:10:44] busy time for the royals with King
[00:10:46] King Charles talking about AI, Prince Prince Harry with Invictus. What's
[00:10:50] What's happening with the Earl Spencer Spencer book? Is there a danger, danger, do you think, that the Earl
[00:10:54] Earl Spencer news will overshadow overshadow the kind of work the royal
[00:10:56] royal family is, are trying to push
[00:10:59] push forward? There is and the royals royals are used to this. You know,
[00:11:02] know, something will happen and it it will just take over the news cycle
[00:11:06] cycle rather than the visit or the the speech that they are doing that
[00:11:09] that day. I think it's worth reflecting reflecting that it's September, and
[00:11:12] and August is always known as silly silly season when it comes to the
[00:11:15] the royal family. You know, they they go on holiday, they spend time
[00:11:19] time away from the spotlight and and that means you get some of these
[00:11:22] these rumours floating around. But But then they come back in September September and they really dive into
[00:11:26] into those engagements. So that's that's what we're seeing a little little bit here in terms of the volume
[00:11:30] volume of engagements with William William and Catherine out today,
[00:11:32] today, the King out today, Harry, Harry, obviously not a working royal.
[00:11:35] royal. So that might just be coincidental,
[00:11:38] coincidental, but it does. It overshadows overshadows that. And Charles was
[00:11:41] was giving a very serious message message today about the risks of
[00:11:44] of AI. And instead we are now talking talking about Earl Spencer's claims
[00:11:48] claims about something that happened happened 30 years ago, which is very
[00:11:51] very emotional. But is it as important? important? That's a question I would
[00:11:54] would pose. Yeah. And I think that that the difficulty is it's such such a long time ago. Why is he releasing
[00:11:58] releasing the book now. With a cynical
[00:12:02] cynical hat on? I think it could
[00:12:04] could be a commercial thing. Next Next year is 2027. That does mark
[00:12:08] mark 30 years since the death of of Diana. Could it be the lead up
[00:12:11] up to something like a bigger exhibition exhibition at Althorp? You know,
[00:12:14] know, those estates are really expensive expensive to run, so that could be
[00:12:18] be something definitely in the back back of this plan behind this plan
[00:12:21] plan even to mean that that Charles Charles Spencer thought it was now
[00:12:25] now the time to talk about his sister's sister's death when he has had 30
[00:12:28] 30 years to do so already. And of of course, we've had a big, as you
[00:12:31] you mentioned earlier, very strong strong pushback from the palace.
[00:12:34] palace. How unusual is it for the the palace to push back in that way?
[00:12:38] way? I remember when Harry and Meghan
[00:12:40] Meghan did that interview with Oprah Oprah and the Palace came out with
[00:12:44] with that line. Recollections may may vary. This feels very much like
[00:12:47] like it's vibing with that. Exactly. Exactly. And I think that the language
[00:12:51] language is very similar. As you you say. What I find interesting
[00:12:54] interesting is probably in the last last year or so, actually the Palace
[00:12:57] Palace has been slightly more vocal. vocal. You know, when Andrew was
[00:13:00] was arrested earlier this year, February
[00:13:03] February on his birthday, the Palace Palace actually actually released
[00:13:06] released a statement and I was taken taken by surprise by that. They said
[00:13:10] said that the law must take its course. course. No one is above the law.
[00:13:13] law. And I think what they're doing doing is they're starting to notice
[00:13:16] notice moments that the scale of of the risk or the threat to the
[00:13:19] the perception of the palace or the the royals themselves needs to be
[00:13:22] be dealt with. So the Andrew one
[00:13:25] one in particular around the Harry Harry and Meghan protocols which
[00:13:28] which went to the government, the the military, the Lords lieutenant,
[00:13:31] lieutenant, etc that seemed to be be causing a lot of confusion. Therefore
[00:13:34] Therefore it was a risk. This is is also the case with the allegations
[00:13:37] allegations that Earl Spencer is is making against the King. This This is risky enough that they need
[00:13:41] need to do something about it. So So for me it's a trend of being slightly
[00:13:44] slightly more proactive and vocal. vocal. And I think what I'll be watching watching quite closely in the next
[00:13:48] next couple of months. OK. Victoria
[00:13:50] Victoria Howard, great to see you. you. Thank you. Now let's take a
[00:13:54] a short break around the world and and across the UK. This is The World
[00:13:58] World Today on BBC
[00:14:59] truth, trust and fake news on BBC
[00:15:01] BBC News. The Secretary General of
[00:15:09] of Nato has told the BBC there has
[00:15:11] has to be a credible path towards
[00:15:13] towards the UK meeting targets to to increase defence spending. Mark
[00:15:16] Mark Ritter on a visit to Britain, Britain, has met the Prime Minister Minister and the Defence Secretary
[00:15:20] Secretary for the first time. He He also described drone strikes in
[00:15:23] in western Ukraine today very close close to the Polish border, as evidence
[00:15:27] evidence of Russia's desperation. desperation. Mr Ritter has been talking
[00:15:30] talking to our political editor,
[00:15:33] editor, Chris Mason. Eastern Poland.
[00:15:36] Poland. This morning, sirens blaring
[00:15:37] blaring Russia's war in Ukraine sounds
[00:15:41] sounds near drone strikes over the
[00:15:43] the border far too close for comfort.
[00:15:46] comfort. Is this yet another example example of a dangerous escalation
[00:15:49] escalation in this war? It's clearly
[00:15:51] clearly an example of increasingly
[00:15:54] increasingly reckless behaviour by
[00:15:56] by Russia and its president, but
[00:15:58] but also evidence of him being increasingly
[00:16:00] increasingly desperate. Should Nato Nato intercept Russian drones that
[00:16:04] that are over Ukrainian territory territory if they are approaching
[00:16:07] approaching a Nato border. There There is a limit to what I can go
[00:16:11] go into in a public interview, but but I can assure you we do everything
[00:16:14] everything to make sure that Nato Nato stays safe. Nato territory stay
[00:16:18] stay safe, that we can defend every every inch of that's happening again.
[00:16:21] again. I can never get into those those operational details. I was
[00:16:25] was told afterwards drones were not
[00:16:27] not at least yet intercepted by Nato
[00:16:30] Nato while still over Ukraine. How How worried are you? How worried
[00:16:34] worried should we all be that Russia
[00:16:36] Russia will attack or invade a Nato
[00:16:39] Nato country in the coming years? years? If you're willing to sacrifice
[00:16:43] sacrifice 1.2 million of your own own people in this crazy, unprovoked
[00:16:46] unprovoked fight, let's not be naive naive about what Putin could do,
[00:16:50] do, but we are stronger. I mean, mean, we are stronger. It could happen. happen. It could happen in the coming
[00:16:54] coming years. No, don't think so. so. Because we are strong. So strong
[00:16:57] strong that he will not try. But But we have to make sure of is that
[00:17:00] that we are as strong in two, three, three, five years from now. You've
[00:17:03] You've been here meeting the Prime Prime Minister, the Defence Secretary,
[00:17:07] Secretary, the Foreign Secretary, Secretary, as you all know, the Chancellor, Chancellor, John Healey, the former
[00:17:11] former Defence Secretary, resigned resigned because he wasn't certain. certain. You know, he didn't think
[00:17:15] think the previous government would would get to 3% of national income
[00:17:18] income on defence by 2030 and said
[00:17:21] said that was essential. The new new government hasn't yet explicitly
[00:17:24] explicitly committed to that. In In the conversations you've just just come from, are you confident
[00:17:28] confident they're going to manage manage that? I'm totally confident confident about what this government
[00:17:31] government wants to do. That is to
[00:17:34] to reach the 3.5 and 2035. Also understanding understanding that it cannot be that
[00:17:37] that you stick to 2.6, 2.7 now and
[00:17:40] and then in one go in 2034, you would
[00:17:43] would go to 3.5. So you've long been been a sceptic about a. Credible
[00:17:46] Credible path. It sounds like they've they've not managed to be specific
[00:17:49] specific and reassure you that that
[00:17:52] that 3% target by 2030 is actually actually going to be met. I'm absolutely
[00:17:55] absolutely confident that when it it comes to the 3.5 they are there. there. I'm absolutely confident that
[00:17:59] that when it comes to the yearly yearly increments, they totally take
[00:18:02] take it and accept it that they have have to be there. What exactly the
[00:18:05] the pathway will be. We will see see next year in the spending review. review. Secretary General, thank
[00:18:08] thank you. Thank you very much. Well,
[00:18:11] Well, Mark Rutte was talking to Chris
[00:18:14] Chris Mason there. Now the European European Union has set out plans plans to ban social media for children
[00:18:18] children under the age of 13. It It follows similar bans for under
[00:18:22] under 16 seconds in countries such such as the UK and Australia. Our
[00:18:25] Our Europe correspondent Nick Beake Beake reports now from Brussels.
[00:18:29] Brussels. The European Commission, Commission, which proposes legislation
[00:18:31] legislation for the whole of the the EU, says that there has to be
[00:18:35] be a complete change of emphasis emphasis here that in the future
[00:18:38] future big tech companies prove that that their products are safe for
[00:18:42] for children. Now officials have have been looking at the ban that
[00:18:45] that Australia brought in at the the end of last year for under 16
[00:18:49] 16 seconds. They're using social social media and the European officials
[00:18:53] officials believe that there needs needs to be a more gradual approach
[00:18:56] approach in the continent. Here they're they're saying that under 13 should
[00:18:59] should not have access to social social media. Then when a child reaches
[00:19:02] reaches the age of 13 and when they're they're 14, they should have some
[00:19:06] some limited access to certain platforms
[00:19:10] platforms with parental supervision. supervision. And for only an hour
[00:19:13] hour a day. So parents will have
[00:19:15] have to play their part in this, this, not just social media apps
[00:19:18] apps though also video sharing platforms
[00:19:21] platforms are included. Online gaming
[00:19:24] gaming and AI companions. How will will this work in practice? Well,
[00:19:28] Well, some people are talking about
[00:19:30] about privacy concerns because there
[00:19:32] there is talk of age restrictions restrictions coming in. So people people having to prove that they're
[00:19:36] they're old enough to use these particular
[00:19:39] particular services. And it's worth worth pointing out that just last
[00:19:42] last month in France, after the government government there had come up with
[00:19:46] with its own ideas for making children
[00:19:49] children safer online, the top court court in France said that there were
[00:19:53] were concerns about restrictions restrictions on freedom of expression. expression. So that's just one indication
[00:19:56] indication of how there could be be obstacles in the months to come.
[00:20:00] come. But certainly the European European Union says this is putting
[00:20:04] putting children at the heart of of what they're doing and also giving
[00:20:07] giving the power back to parents parents so that in the future they
[00:20:11] they can feel confident that their their children are safe as they try
[00:20:14] try and navigate the digital world.
[00:20:18] world. That's Nick Beake there with with me now is Doctor Caitlin Rieger,
[00:20:20] Rieger, who is an associate professor professor of digital humanities at
[00:20:24] at University College London. Great Great to talk to you, Caitlin, as as always. And just give me a bit
[00:20:28] bit of an insight into why we think think the EU is doing this now. Well
[00:20:31] Well I think this is a really promising promising move. And what we're seeing
[00:20:34] seeing is that the EU is looking looking to learn from best practice
[00:20:38] practice and also mistakes of other
[00:20:41] other countries. And that's a really
[00:20:43] really promising thing in that we we actually see countries coming
[00:20:46] coming together on this. With my my work at rise, which sits across
[00:20:50] across a few different countries, countries, we look to do knowledge knowledge sharing across different
[00:20:54] different countries. So what we see see here is that they are looking
[00:20:57] looking to the UK for the end of of social media ban, where they're
[00:21:00] they're looking to some of the mistakes mistakes of Australia and potentially
[00:21:03] potentially also the Canadians that that have recently tabled a social
[00:21:06] social Media Safety Act as well. well. But under 13 doesn't sound
[00:21:10] sound very old does it? Right. So
[00:21:12] So they have now this kind of buffer buffer period that they want to propose,
[00:21:15] propose, which is between the age
[00:21:18] age of 13 and 15. Now that will what
[00:21:21] what it sounds like that will mean mean in practice is that we'll have
[00:21:24] have about an hour a day that those
[00:21:27] those early years teenagers, what what we call younger teenagers may
[00:21:30] may be allowed about an hour a day day on a parental device or on a
[00:21:34] a parental account. Now that will will deal with the quantity of time
[00:21:38] time spent on social media, not necessarily
[00:21:41] necessarily the quality of time spent spent on social media. The other
[00:21:44] other thing, though, that it may may encourage is something that we
[00:21:47] we call co-viewing, which is where
[00:21:49] where parents and young person view view together and talk through these
[00:21:53] these issues, whether that will work work in practice. Hard to know, but
[00:21:56] but that's probably what they're they're looking at for that buffer
[00:21:59] buffer period and probably why they've
[00:22:02] they've made that 13 to 15-year-old 15-year-old stop gate. What are the
[00:22:05] the dangers of younger people having having full on access to social media
[00:22:08] media in the way that they have done done in the past few years? So I
[00:22:11] I think what's important to note note here is this is not the social
[00:22:15] social media of 2012. When we talked talked about online activism, when
[00:22:19] when we talked about this space of
[00:22:22] of collectivity and connectivity, connectivity, we do not consume social
[00:22:25] social media in the same way any any more. And that is because the
[00:22:28] the technological affordances that that feed us content have become
[00:22:30] become a much more sophisticated. sophisticated. We know that hate,
[00:22:34] hate, harm and disinformation or or more attention grabbing content
[00:22:37] content is algorithmically prioritised. prioritised. But increasingly we're
[00:22:40] we're also worried about the way
[00:22:43] way in which children are much more more accessible online. So this is
[00:22:46] is through things like live streaming streaming on TikTok, where we may
[00:22:49] may think that this is akin to opening opening up your front door and just
[00:22:52] just letting anyone talk to your
[00:22:54] your child. And so the way in which
[00:22:56] which social media is evolved, it it is becoming incrementally less
[00:23:00] less safe. And that is what countries countries are trying to tackle with
[00:23:03] with right now. OK, doctor Caitlin, Caitlin, it's always great to talk talk to you and get your analysis.
[00:23:07] analysis. Thank you so much. Thank
[00:23:08] Thank you. Now in Russia tomorrow tomorrow is the start of three days
[00:23:12] days of voting in the country's parliamentary parliamentary election. It's the
[00:23:16] the first since Russia's full-scale full-scale invasion of Ukraine. While
[00:23:19] While critics dismiss the vote as as neither free nor transparent,
[00:23:22] transparent, but the Kremlin is expected expected to use it to claim the country
[00:23:25] country is united behind the policies policies of President Putin. Our
[00:23:28] Our Russia editor, Steve Rosenberg, Rosenberg, sent this report from
[00:23:32] from Moscow. In Russia, ultimate
[00:23:36] ultimate power lies here in the Kremlin.
[00:23:40] Kremlin. But across the road there there is a parliament and it's election
[00:23:44] election time. So what is a parliamentary parliamentary election like now in
[00:23:48] in Putin's Russia? Different. At
[00:23:53] At this TV debate for candidates,
[00:23:56] candidates, the presenter came. The
[00:23:59] The candidates didn't. Come. And
[00:24:04] And this party political was more
[00:24:06] more X factor than exit poll. Mind
[00:24:10] Mind you in the last Parliament everyone everyone was singing from the same
[00:24:14] same hymn sheet. Russia, Putin. All
[00:24:20] All together now Russia, Putin victory
[00:24:23] victory chants the Speaker of the the House, all MPs, all parties are
[00:24:27] are expected to back the President
[00:24:29] President and the war in Ukraine.
[00:24:32] Ukraine. There has been some campaigning campaigning and a bread and biscuit
[00:24:35] biscuit factory near Moscow. We caught
[00:24:37] caught up with the communists at
[00:24:40] at times, though, the tent parties parties allowed on the ballot are
[00:24:43] are hard to tell apart, none of them
[00:24:46] them criticised the Kremlin or the
[00:24:48] the war. As the Communist leader
[00:24:52] leader Gennady Zyuganov tells me,
[00:24:58] Duma voted unanimously for 170 laws laws in support of the special military
[00:25:01] military operation. Russia's political political system is often referred
[00:25:05] referred to as managed democracy, democracy, where the Kremlin does
[00:25:09] does the managing and the Kremlin Kremlin is likely to use this election
[00:25:11] election to claim that despite problems problems in the country, Russians
[00:25:15] Russians are united behind their
[00:25:17] their president and behind the war
[00:25:20] war in Ukraine. Gregory Grecian belongs
[00:25:23] belongs to the one party that is
[00:25:25] is publicly calling for peace. Yabloko
[00:25:29] Yabloko for freedom. Peace for a
[00:25:31] a ceasefire, he says. For a Russia
[00:25:34] Russia free from political repressions,
[00:25:36] repressions, Yabloko was on the ballot
[00:25:38] ballot until the Supreme Court removed
[00:25:40] removed it from the party list. Some
[00:25:45] Some of its candidates, including including Grigory, are still competing
[00:25:49] competing in individual constituencies. constituencies. But in the run up
[00:25:52] up to the election, many of these these candidates have had problems
[00:25:55] problems with the police and the
[00:25:57] the courts, and some have been barred.
[00:26:00] barred. Gregory was questioned by
[00:26:02] by police, but he's still in the
[00:26:04] the race. The police. Are carrying
[00:26:07] carrying out a political order. The
[00:26:10] The demand for an end to the bloodshed bloodshed in Ukraine is very popular.
[00:26:13] popular. I think most people in Russia Russia now want peace, and Yabloko
[00:26:17] Yabloko helped people express this. this. That's why it's been excluded
[00:26:21] excluded from the party lists and
[00:26:23] and why individual candidates are
[00:26:26] are being barred. 50 miles from Moscow
[00:26:29] Moscow in Dmitrov, there's little little sign of an election. But there
[00:26:33] there are signs of the war. A new
[00:26:36] new memorial to people from the town town who've been killed fighting
[00:26:40] fighting in Ukraine. And the war
[00:26:42] war is front and centre of people's
[00:26:45] people's minds. Of course we feel feel it, says Olga, whose son in
[00:26:48] in law is fighting in Ukraine. But
[00:26:51] But elections can't affect what happens
[00:26:54] happens there. I'd like our country country to be peaceful, Paulina tells
[00:26:57] tells me, so we don't have to worry worry that drones will fall in front
[00:27:01] front of us. This election is unlikely
[00:27:04] unlikely to deliver that in Russia.
[00:27:06] Russia. It's the Kremlin that decides
[00:27:08] decides on war and peace. Steve Rosenberg,
[00:27:12] Rosenberg, BBC News, Moscow. Now
[00:27:17] Now scientists have confirmed that that climate change was a core factor
[00:27:21] factor in last month's deadly glacial
[00:27:23] glacial mountain collapse on the
[00:27:25] the China-nepal border, 1400 people
[00:27:27] people were killed. At least 6000
[00:27:29] 6000 are still missing huge amounts
[00:27:32] amounts of water, ice and debris debris smashed through buildings
[00:27:35] buildings after a massive section section of rock and glacier broke
[00:27:38] broke away from the mountain, according according to a new report. The glacier
[00:27:42] glacier collapse or the collapse collapse of that specific glacier,
[00:27:45] glacier, was caused by a compound
[00:27:47] compound compound crisis which is
[00:27:49] is shaped by long-term global warming.
[00:27:52] warming. Hence the climate change change connection there. Well, we're
[00:27:56] we're going to be coming up at the the after the break. We're coming
[00:27:59] coming up with The Iran War Today, Today, all the very latest on the
[00:28:02] the US war with Iran. Stay with us