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[00:00:10] It's 7pm in London. This is the world today with Maryam Moshiri.
[00:00:14] Moshiri. King Charles warns of the the existential dangers of AI systems
[00:00:17] systems falling into the wrong hands hands as he addresses tech leaders
[00:00:20] leaders at a summit in Scotland.
[00:00:22] Scotland. Those in our world who
[00:00:24] who value deeply our humanity and
[00:00:27] and its vital moral component are
[00:00:29] are anxiously seeking your reassurance
[00:00:33] reassurance that we will not lose lose control of our destiny or our
[00:00:37] our souls. The Duke of Sussex has has been seen for the first time
[00:00:40] time in public since returning to to the UK. When he arrived at the
[00:00:44] the award ceremony for the Invictus Invictus Games. More allegations
[00:00:47] allegations from Earl Spencer in in the latest extract from his book
[00:00:50] book on Princess Diana, he claims claims the then Prince Charles sounded
[00:00:53] sounded giddily elated on the night
[00:00:55] night Princess Diana died. South South African police say they found
[00:00:59] found a ninth woman killed near Johannesburg Johannesburg in a spate of murders,
[00:01:02] murders, causing fear and outrage
[00:01:04] outrage in the country. Also coming
[00:01:07] coming up on the world today, hope hope for thousands of women with
[00:01:10] with incurable breast cancer as a a new life extending drug becomes
[00:01:14] becomes available on the NHS. Two
[00:01:15] Two years after it was deemed too
[00:01:18] too expensive. Hello and a very warm
[00:01:29] warm welcome to The World Today on on BBC News. King Charles has warned
[00:01:33] warned of the existential dangers dangers posed by artificial intelligence.
[00:01:37] intelligence. Addressing this audience audience that included bosses from
[00:01:39] from a number of AI giants. At a a conference he convened in Ayrshire.
[00:01:43] Ayrshire. The King urged the audience audience to make sure that they develop
[00:01:47] develop technology which would keep keep humanity sacred. The royal intervention
[00:01:50] intervention is the latest in a spate spate of recent warnings over the
[00:01:53] the safety of AI, and the urgent urgent need for regulation. Our correspondent
[00:01:57] correspondent Shiona McCallum has
[00:01:58] has the top story. Not just another
[00:02:03] another royal engagement for the the King. He was hosting Jensen Huang,
[00:02:06] Huang, the boss of one of the world's
[00:02:08] world's most valuable companies in in Nvidia and Sir Demis Hassabis,
[00:02:11] Hassabis, the co-founder of Google Google DeepMind, along with some
[00:02:14] some of the world's most influential
[00:02:16] influential voices on AI. And as as soon as pleasantries were over,
[00:02:20] over, it was a stark warning. There
[00:02:23] There seems urgency in adequately
[00:02:26] adequately considering the existential existential dangers of such technologies
[00:02:30] technologies falling into the wrong wrong hands. The King addressed an
[00:02:33] an audience that included Tino Cuellar
[00:02:36] Cuellar from Anthropic, Sarah Friar
[00:02:37] Friar from OpenAI and Professor Chu
[00:02:40] Chu Lang from the Shanghai University University in China. A Chinese presence
[00:02:43] presence in the room is significant, significant, too, with President
[00:02:46] President Trump framing AI as a race,
[00:02:49] race, America must win. The summit summit has been in the royal diary
[00:02:52] diary for six months, but the timing timing of it has become part of the
[00:02:56] the story. Last week, a former Anthropic Anthropic researcher said some of
[00:02:59] of the people building AI believe believe that it could kill us all
[00:03:02] all by the end of the decade. The
[00:03:04] The King has asked you here to give
[00:03:07] give reassurances that this technology technology will not harm humanity.
[00:03:10] humanity. Can you give those reassurances?
[00:03:14] reassurances? It is the responsibility responsibility of the AI companies
[00:03:18] companies ourselves to develop the the technology safely and to properly
[00:03:21] properly test it. That as we move
[00:03:23] move from labs to product development,
[00:03:26] development, the companies have to
[00:03:27] to become much more rigorous in testing.
[00:03:30] testing. But other chief execs are
[00:03:32] are less optimistic. I think that
[00:03:35] that if we all create AI that are
[00:03:38] are able to act autonomously, that that can define their own objectives,
[00:03:41] objectives, that can earn money, money, that can own assets, that
[00:03:45] that could run businesses, we're
[00:03:48] we're essentially ceding a new silicon silicon species, which will no doubt
[00:03:52] doubt compete with us for resources, resources, no matter how much it
[00:03:55] it cares about humanity and loves loves us. Beyond the garden. The
[00:03:59] The public's feelings about AI are are equally as mixed. I do think
[00:04:03] think it is scary if you think about about it too much, so it's better better just to stay in the present.
[00:04:06] present. I think there's a lot of of fear mongering as well with it, it, but I do think it's going to
[00:04:10] to take a lot of jobs. And the debate debate is not only about safety and
[00:04:14] and jobs. The data centres powering
[00:04:17] powering AI require enormous amounts amounts of electricity and water.
[00:04:20] water. Placing the tech's environmental environmental issues at the heart
[00:04:23] heart of a cause that King Charles
[00:04:25] Charles has championed for decades.
[00:04:28] decades. The King cannot regulate regulate artificial intelligence, intelligence, but what he can do
[00:04:31] do is use his convening power to to get these rivals round the table.
[00:04:35] table. The question is will anything anything concrete be produced from
[00:04:39] from these private discussions beyond
[00:04:41] beyond what happens in Dumfries House
[00:04:43] House Shiona McCallum BBC News. Meanwhile,
[00:04:47] Meanwhile, Earl Spencer, the brother brother of Princess Diana, has made
[00:04:50] made more deeply personal attacks attacks on the King in new extracts
[00:04:53] extracts from his book, which have have been released by the Daily Mail.
[00:04:56] Mail. He claims that on the night night that Diana died, the then Prince
[00:05:00] Prince Charles sounded giddily elated, elated, like a lottery winner. The
[00:05:04] The book called Swan Song Diana, Diana, My Sister alleges the King
[00:05:07] King told Diana's brother will forget forget her soon enough. After her
[00:05:11] her death in 1997 and that Charles Charles subjected the earl to a stream
[00:05:14] stream of anger after he insisted insisted Diana would not have wanted wanted Princes William and Harry,
[00:05:18] Harry, then aged 15 and 12, to walk
[00:05:21] walk in her funeral procession. In In an unusually strong response,
[00:05:24] response, the palace hit back on on Wednesday, saying the pain of
[00:05:28] of fraternal grief can cloud reason reason and colour memory. Well, let's
[00:05:31] let's speak to the Daily Mail's Robert Robert Hardman, author of the new
[00:05:35] new biography Elizabeth II in Private Private in Public The Inside Story.
[00:05:38] Story. Great to talk to you, Robert. Robert. Thanks so much for joining joining us. And let me just ask you,
[00:05:42] you, first of all, I'm sure you're you're across all the revelations
[00:05:45] revelations from Earl Spencer's book. book. What do you make of these latest
[00:05:48] latest ones? Well, we go into good
[00:05:50] good evening. We go into a lot more
[00:05:54] more detail on that period, that that extraordinary period immediately
[00:05:57] immediately after Diana's death 29
[00:05:59] 29 years ago. Now. And yes, the Charles
[00:06:03] Charles Spencer in the latest extract extract talks about, as you said,
[00:06:07] said, he suggests that somehow Prince
[00:06:10] Prince Charles was upbeat, was elated.
[00:06:12] elated. He said, like a lottery winner
[00:06:15] winner following the death of the the princess. I mean, these are very,
[00:06:18] very, very wounding words. And it
[00:06:21] it explains, I think, why we had
[00:06:23] had that remarkable statement from
[00:06:25] from the palace yesterday very forceful,
[00:06:27] forceful, very swift. Normally the
[00:06:29] the palace doesn't respond to these these things except when I think
[00:06:33] think they feel that something really
[00:06:37] really can't go unacknowledged. One One thinks back to the Queen's immortal
[00:06:40] immortal line. Recollections may may vary about some of the allegations
[00:06:44] allegations thrown at the monarchy monarchy by Harry and Meghan some some years ago. This is of that order.
[00:06:48] order. But then this book is of.
[00:06:50] of. I think it's the most explosive
[00:06:53] explosive royal memoir since Harry's Harry's book spare. And this is the
[00:06:56] the King clearly saying that is simply simply not how I remember it. And
[00:06:59] And I think a lot of people who know know the King who work with him,
[00:07:02] him, who met him over the years, years, who know him well, I don't
[00:07:06] don't think that the picture that that Charles Spencer paints is one
[00:07:09] one that they will recognise, but but of course nobody else was there
[00:07:12] there in the room at the time. And And I suppose what's less clear now
[00:07:15] now is, is how the public might perceive perceive these very personal claims.
[00:07:19] claims. It's a very strong allegation allegation to make very strong rebuttal
[00:07:23] rebuttal from the palace, as you you said. How much damage do you
[00:07:25] you think something like this will will do to how King Charles is viewed
[00:07:28] viewed right now, particularly given given all the other problems that
[00:07:31] that have beset the royal family family over the past couple of years?
[00:07:34] years? Well, funnily enough, I don't don't think it's going to make much
[00:07:37] much difference. I think the public public have a very settled view of
[00:07:41] of the King of the Charles. They
[00:07:44] They know most people are pro the the monarchy, a significant proportion
[00:07:48] proportion of the public are anti anti it. I mean views don't really
[00:07:51] really change. I noticed when I was
[00:07:54] was writing my book on the late Queen
[00:07:56] Queen and looked at all the opinion
[00:07:59] opinion polling in those months after
[00:08:00] after the late Queen's death, and
[00:08:03] and suddenly you had the new King
[00:08:04] King Charles battered by allegations allegations by by new series of The
[00:08:08] The Crown, which painted him in a a very unfavourable light, a six
[00:08:11] six part Netflix series by Harry Harry and Meghan, followed by Harry's
[00:08:14] Harry's book Spurs about 12 weeks weeks of negative headlines. And
[00:08:17] And the interesting thing was the the polling didn't move one jot.
[00:08:21] jot. People just had their view. view. And I think it'll be like that
[00:08:24] that with this. I mean, clearly it's it's pretty unpleasant for all the
[00:08:28] the family to read this stuff. And
[00:08:30] And I think one of the reasons that that the King came out as forcefully
[00:08:34] forcefully as he did was, you know, know, right now things are delicate
[00:08:38] delicate between him, the relationship relationship between him and both
[00:08:40] both his sons are sort of three way
[00:08:43] way relationship. And I think he
[00:08:45] he would be very unhappy if somehow
[00:08:47] somehow the Spencer view of events events becomes a sort of settled
[00:08:51] settled narrative. So I think it it was felt a need was felt as to
[00:08:55] to say, no, that's not how we view view it, but I don't I wouldn't be be hanging around waiting for any
[00:08:59] any more statements from the Palace. Palace. I think they've made their their point. I think they'll now
[00:09:02] now leave it to the public to make make their own minds up. OK, Robert,
[00:09:05] Robert, great to talk to you as always. always. Thank you very much indeed.
[00:09:08] indeed. Thank you. Well, let's bring bring you some more royal news. As
[00:09:12] As if we didn't quite have enough enough for you, Prince Harry has has made his first public appearance
[00:09:16] appearance since moving back to the the UK from California. He arrived
[00:09:19] arrived earlier on at the Invictus
[00:09:22] Invictus Spirit Awards Invictus related related Awards ceremony in Greenwich.
[00:09:25] Greenwich. I mean, he came without
[00:09:29] without his wife Meghan. There was was some expectation potentially potentially they could come as a
[00:09:31] a couple, but she wasn't there with with him. But he was still the star
[00:09:34] star of the show as you see him there there climbing up those stairs towards
[00:09:37] towards the Greenwich building behind behind him, supporting the Invictus Invictus cause, which of course is
[00:09:41] is very much something that he holds holds dear to his heart. Let's speak
[00:09:44] speak to our royal correspondent correspondent Noor Nanji, who is
[00:09:47] is in Greenwich, where Prince Harry Harry has just arrived for that event.
[00:09:50] event. And Nora, just talk me through
[00:09:53] through the event. Prince Harry's Harry's arrival and of course, the
[00:09:56] the fact that this is his first public public appearance since arriving
[00:09:59] arriving in the UK, but also since since those Earl Spencer revelations. revelations. We've just been talking
[00:10:03] talking to Robert about. Yeah. And
[00:10:06] And even here there's no escaping escaping the Earl Spencer revelations
[00:10:10] revelations as Prince Harry arrived, arrived, a journalist did ask him
[00:10:12] him what he made of his uncle's book. book. It may not surprise you that
[00:10:16] that he didn't answer that. He walked walked straight into the venue. But
[00:10:20] But you know, tonight for Prince Prince Harry is really something
[00:10:22] something for him to celebrate. We
[00:10:24] We know how dear the Invictus Games Games are to him, how close it is
[00:10:28] is to his heart. This is an event
[00:10:30] event which is around an awards event
[00:10:33] event which is celebrating the people people who the communities around
[00:10:36] around Invictus and the people who've who've really championed and celebrated
[00:10:39] celebrated that cause. And so it's it's for him, something he describes
[00:10:42] describes as a family. We know how how much it means to him. He, of
[00:10:45] of course, founded the Invictus Games,
[00:10:47] Games, which are for injured servicemen servicemen and servicewomen. So he
[00:10:51] he speaks a lot of this. The group group here as his family. And we
[00:10:54] we know that he is, as you say, treated treated as something of a hero when
[00:10:57] when he arrives at events like this, this, even when he was living in
[00:11:00] in the US, he still made a point point of attending all these sorts sorts of events. Of course, now he
[00:11:04] he has moved back here and this is
[00:11:06] is his first big public event since since moving back here. So that will
[00:11:10] will be the focus today. No escaping escaping the Earl Spencer revelations.
[00:11:14] revelations. But of course for him, him, a moment to celebrate Meghan,
[00:11:17] Meghan, as you were saying there, there, she did not join him. There
[00:11:20] There had been some speculation she she might join on at this event because
[00:11:24] because she does tend to attend a
[00:11:26] a lot of the Invictus Games events
[00:11:29] events with him. But sources close
[00:11:31] close to the Sussexes have said that that her priority is really settling
[00:11:35] settling the children, Archie and and Lilibet, into their new routine.
[00:11:37] routine. Of course they've just moved moved a country as well so it's a
[00:11:40] a big step for them and that is her her priority for the time being.
[00:11:44] being. So we understand that she she stayed with the children tonight.
[00:11:47] tonight. OK. Thank you very much.
[00:11:49] much. Indeed. Well, let's tie all all of these threads together with
[00:11:52] with Caroline Aston royal commentator commentator and broadcaster. And And I mean all these threads. And
[00:11:56] And by that I mean we've seen King King Charles at an event in Scotland.
[00:12:00] Scotland. We've seen Prince Harry Harry in his first public appearance
[00:12:03] appearance since arriving in the the UK. And at the same time this
[00:12:07] this evening, more revelations with with regards to Earl Spencer and
[00:12:11] and his sister Princess Diana. It's It's never a dull moment for the
[00:12:14] the royal family. Well, what a tangled
[00:12:16] tangled web. The rich tapestry of
[00:12:18] of royal life with some very sad
[00:12:21] sad strands indeed revealed today. today. You couldn't make it up, could
[00:12:25] could you? Starting with the theft,
[00:12:28] theft, these four books from a lorry lorry parked up in the Netherlands.
[00:12:31] Netherlands. It's almost worthy of of Agatha Christie, isn't it? The
[00:12:35] The mystery of the missing bombshell
[00:12:37] bombshell books to the revelations revelations contained in the pieces
[00:12:40] pieces published today by the mail, mail, which really leave you reeling.
[00:12:44] reeling. Some of it. And one does does feel a degree of sorrow, of
[00:12:48] of course, for the King having to
[00:12:50] to face this and carry on doing his
[00:12:52] his job still, in a very early part
[00:12:55] part of his reign and dealing. Of Of course, in my opinion rather well
[00:12:59] well by issuing this unprecedented
[00:13:02] unprecedented statement where he he talked about the shocking effects
[00:13:05] effects of fraternal grief, talking
[00:13:07] talking of it, clouding reason of of affecting judgement and colouring
[00:13:11] colouring memory in other words, words, a rather longer statement
[00:13:16] statement akin to the one his mother mother once made after the Oprah
[00:13:19] Oprah Winfrey interview that recollections
[00:13:21] recollections may vary, and we are
[00:13:23] are a long way on from the events
[00:13:26] events being discussed. I mean, how
[00:13:28] how much of what Earl Spencer has
[00:13:30] has said do. You kind of think sounds
[00:13:34] sounds right? Well, we've long wondered,
[00:13:38] wondered, long thought about the the true nature of the relationship
[00:13:41] relationship between the King and and the young and inexperienced Lady
[00:13:45] Lady Diana Spencer when they first
[00:13:47] first married, she spoke of being being the third party in a marriage.
[00:13:51] marriage. We're all aware of this,
[00:13:53] this, but if you read the extracts
[00:13:56] extracts today, he talks. Earl Spencer, Spencer, for example, about when
[00:13:59] when Prince Charles, as he then was,
[00:14:01] was, was speaking to him about the
[00:14:03] the death, the sudden death of Princess
[00:14:05] Princess Diana. He said that he felt
[00:14:07] felt he sounded elated, that somehow
[00:14:10] somehow he felt freed. Perhaps going
[00:14:13] going forward. But of course, shock, shock, grief hits people in different
[00:14:17] different ways. And when you're relating
[00:14:19] relating the content of a telephone telephone call, so much is down to
[00:14:23] to tone of voice, isn't it? And at
[00:14:26] at this distance in time, we really
[00:14:28] really don't know. Indeed, we do do know that the speech given by
[00:14:32] by Earl Spencer at his sister's funeral,
[00:14:35] funeral, standing in that great gilded
[00:14:37] gilded wooden pulpit in St Paul's
[00:14:39] Paul's Cathedral rated by some people people as one of the great speeches
[00:14:43] speeches of the 20th century, was
[00:14:45] was full of fire and invective, anger
[00:14:47] anger and sorrow at what he felt
[00:14:49] felt had been the way his sister sister had been treated up to the
[00:14:53] the time of her death. So his pen
[00:14:55] pen is very much dipped in vitriol vitriol as he writes this book. Let's
[00:14:59] Let's talk a little bit about the the boys, about Harry and William.
[00:15:03] William. They both have slightly slightly different relationships relationships with their uncle Earl
[00:15:07] Earl Spencer, I believe. One never never knows, of course, what the
[00:15:10] the truth is behind these rumours, rumours, but how do you think they
[00:15:14] they would both be? You know, reacting
[00:15:16] reacting and thinking in terms of of the things they've been seeing
[00:15:19] seeing in this book? Well, I should should think in very different ways.
[00:15:23] ways. Prince William will keep his his counsel. And we've just heard
[00:15:26] heard that someone did query with with Prince Harry whether he knew
[00:15:30] knew about it, wanted to make a comment, comment, and he just carried on walking.
[00:15:34] walking. We know that he knew about about the book. We don't think he's
[00:15:38] he's read it or perhaps read any any of the extracts yet, but it must
[00:15:41] must be very difficult for the boys
[00:15:43] boys to revisit that most painful
[00:15:47] painful period of their lives. And And I have to say about the fact
[00:15:50] fact that the King is supposed to
[00:15:52] to have said to Earl Spencer that that we won't remember Diana for
[00:15:56] for long, or words to that effect.
[00:15:59] effect. All I would say, if that that is the case, why then did the
[00:16:02] the Prince of Wales tell his mother, mother, the Queen, that it wasn't
[00:16:06] wasn't just going to be a private private family funeral? There was
[00:16:09] was going to be a full state funeral.
[00:16:12] funeral. And I think in doing so
[00:16:14] so made that funeral totally memorable.
[00:16:16] memorable. And the memory of Diana
[00:16:19] Diana memorable too. So whatever
[00:16:21] whatever these people involved her
[00:16:23] her boys, the King feel personally personally and I should think they're
[00:16:27] they're feeling very hurt and shocked shocked by much of this. I very much
[00:16:30] much doubt whether we will hear any
[00:16:32] any public expressions from any of
[00:16:35] of them at the moment. OK Caroline Caroline Aston, it's always great
[00:16:38] great to get your analysis, so I I thank you once again for talking
[00:16:40] talking to us here on the world today.
[00:16:42] today. A pleasure. Let's take a short
[00:16:45] short break now around the world world and across the UK, you're watching