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[00:00:00] last few days actually now hearing him sit down and say it and talking
[00:00:03] great detail
[00:00:05] of about those really difficult days
[00:00:07] of in the time after the death of Diana between her death and the
[00:00:11] funeral, the complex relationships at play, he
[00:00:14] was as we have read directly critical
[00:00:18] of of the king and some
[00:00:19] of the things he says the king did and the way he behaved, so
[00:00:22] hearing that so directly for him from him was interesting,
[00:00:26] he was calm, he was cool in his recollections, he seemed very...
[00:00:30] considered in what he had to say, um, you did occasionally
[00:00:33] say, this is how I remember it, these are my recollections, I can't tell
[00:00:37] you whether this is true or not, but this is what I
[00:00:41] remember, and it was very compelling to hear him, he
[00:00:44] spoke about the reaction from the palace, um, as Laura
[00:00:48] said,
[00:00:48] you know, been denied, and he pushed back, he said, well actually it hadn't been denied, they've kind of
[00:00:52] fudged it, they he referred to this kind of recollections may vary
[00:00:56] phrase that we're now using, um, what's your interpreting? of
[00:01:00] how the palace has responded and whether it was denial? yeah, I
[00:01:04] a mean, I think first of all, it was a surprise that the palace responded,
[00:01:07] you know, it's not really something
[00:01:09] of they generally do, get involved in this kind of conversation, and I
[00:01:13] of think when the story in the daily
[00:01:15] in mail about the fact they had the extract and what was in the book first dropped, my
[00:01:19] instinct was, then they're not going to say anything, it's not
[00:01:23] of of their of style, it's too personal, it's too difficult, it deals with something pretty raw still
[00:01:26] even though we are 30 years down the line, but they clearly... felt that they
[00:01:30] in couldn't leave void, that silence wasn't the right
[00:01:33] of thing for this moment, and they wanted to say something, as ever, it
[00:01:37] is a carefully worded
[00:01:40] of in statement. i think for the palace it's a sort of fit all, because they're not going to say anything else
[00:01:44] about
[00:01:44] of of it, so when you speak to them about the various um claims and accounts
[00:01:48] in
[00:01:50] of in subsequent days, they refer you back
[00:01:52] of to that initial statement, so they wanted to say something
[00:01:53] that didn't deal with anything specific, didn't talk about any
[00:01:56] particular account or allegation or claim from ell spencer, but something... that
[00:02:00] just dealt with an overriding sense that they do not buy this
[00:02:04] particular recollection. he's been asked um
[00:02:07] why he is writing this book nearly 30 years after the
[00:02:11] in accident of that killed princess Diana, why is he raking up
[00:02:14] a history? he said this is his
[00:02:16] a swan song, he wanted to pay a tribute to his sister, it's also his swan song, he said in his
[00:02:20] later years, and he said he's a historian, he wants to put this on record,
[00:02:24] but he has been criticized quite widely and for the fact that he's
[00:02:28] doing this, for something that's... for many sea it is history, what's
[00:02:32] your assessment of his justification? well, lot of people have asked me whether it's
[00:02:36] money,
[00:02:36] I mean that's the obvious thing, you know, this is going to prove very lucrative
[00:02:40] project for Earl
[00:02:41] of Spencer, um, he says it isn't money, it is not driven by money, that that wasn't the
[00:02:45] reason to do it, um, he said that he felt he was a point in
[00:02:49] his life heading into the 30th anniversary of his sister's death that he didn't
[00:02:53] want to just keep being asked to answer questions about it, he wanted to have
[00:02:57] something finally on the table that dealt with everything. and
[00:03:00] of that's what this book Swansong is, he also said he's
[00:03:03] of now of um heading into his mid 60s, that his parents both died before they were
[00:03:07] 70, and he really felt this was moment for
[00:03:10] a him to actually lay it all out and put it on the table, so I think
[00:03:13] you know who knows whether
[00:03:14] there was a financial motive driving it here, but there's definitely very much a personal
[00:03:18] and emotional one for him here there as
[00:03:20] of well. Okay, Daniella, stay with us as we continue to discuss that interview and the book. I'm
[00:03:24] joined now by former broadcaster, a former BBC Royal correspondent
[00:03:28] rather and broadcaster Jenny Bond. Jenny, good to see you, um,
[00:03:32] now you were
[00:03:33] of royal correspondent here at the BBC at the time of Diana's death for many
[00:03:36] years, you had many interactions with the
[00:03:40] then Prince Charles with Princess Diana, what's your assessment first of
[00:03:44] me all
[00:03:45] of these claims made by Charles Spencer about
[00:03:48] of what of the of then Prince Charles said at the time
[00:03:50] of of her death? Well, I think as Daniella was saying,
[00:03:54] we've had number of quotations come out, which have been
[00:03:57] of extremely sensational,
[00:03:59] of have me draw... this response from the palace, we have a war of
[00:04:03] words reminiscent
[00:04:04] of the war
[00:04:05] of the waleses back then, but if you do watch the full interview as we
[00:04:08] just have, i also find it very compelling,
[00:04:12] i've met earl
[00:04:13] a spencer, i've interviewed him, he always exhudes
[00:04:17] charm, actually and
[00:04:18] of gentleness, and that gentleness came through, a
[00:04:22] of confident, quiet voice, um, in which
[00:04:25] of he asserts, as Daniel has said, um, this is his
[00:04:28] version, his memory. and it's an honest interview I
[00:04:32] think, it's also quite cutting in places, you know, he says,
[00:04:36] I know lot of things about the king that I have not said, this
[00:04:40] is not a threat, he adds, and as Laura says, it sounds a bit
[00:04:44] in like a threat, but he he has lot of knowledge, and he says
[00:04:48] he's decided not to put that
[00:04:50] in a book, and he's not going to say anymore, um, so it was
[00:04:54] most interesting interview and and
[00:04:57] compelling, and I'm inclined to believe him, things are
[00:05:00] said
[00:05:01] of in the heat
[00:05:01] of the moment, the heat of trauma and shock, and it's
[00:05:05] possible that Charles did say those words uh, that
[00:05:09] Diana would soon be forgotten, and one other thing on that, I
[00:05:12] thought that uh Earl Spencer's
[00:05:15] defense
[00:05:17] of of that recollection was also very honest,
[00:05:21] he said that in his eology, the reason he said, at
[00:05:25] the end of his eology, Diana, her beauty, both inward
[00:05:29] and outward, would never be extinguished from our
[00:05:33] minds, he said that was a direct rebuttle
[00:05:36] to Prince Charles as he was then, at whom he was looking from the
[00:05:40] pulpet, I found that very... interesting, it's also
[00:05:44] interesting, Jenny, that you said you do believe him, and the words that he
[00:05:48] said, Prince Charles said to him at the time that we'll forget
[00:05:52] her soon enough, did this interview change that
[00:05:55] perception in your mind, because there's again been lots of people
[00:05:59] over the last few days commenting on these words that have been
[00:06:03] quoted in this book and saying they actually don't believe him, but do you seeing him
[00:06:07] in person, you said he was very calm, very considered, very composed and very
[00:06:10] gentle, did did this interview ch that in your mind or did you believe it
[00:06:14] anyway? uh, no, I think it did change it actually, when you see
[00:06:18] the full interview, because the childs that I have known over number of years um, is
[00:06:22] not that kind of character, yes he has temper and yes we say things in the
[00:06:25] heat the moment, but he's a gentle character, I mean he was quite interesting this morning listening
[00:06:29] to um dane Julia Clevorton who used to head up one of his charities
[00:06:33] and I knew her in those years um and she said she lost her husband very
[00:06:37] suddenly two weeks after Diana and she had two children the same age of William
[00:06:41] and Harry and when she's back from the holiday during which her husband had tragically
[00:06:45] died, her phone uh, she had three messages from the
[00:06:48] from the prince as he was then, he could not wait to express his
[00:06:52] grief and compassion for her loss, so it
[00:06:55] isn't the character the man, i that
[00:06:58] recognize, but who knows what was said a conversation
[00:07:02] between two men in the trauma and shock the most famous woman in
[00:07:06] the world suddenly being killed in a car crash in Paris, and jenny,
[00:07:10] what's your assessment of why he has? this book now, his
[00:07:13] justification, saying he wants to put it on record and that he's a
[00:07:17] historian, he wants to put the truth out there, but nearly 30 years
[00:07:20] after princess Diana's death, many critics are saying, why are you
[00:07:24] raking this up? um, it's so painful, not least for her children,
[00:07:28] princes William and Harry, and but he's saying no, he he wants to make
[00:07:32] sure that
[00:07:32] it is there on record, what do you make of that? I don't know his
[00:07:36] motivation, we we can choose to believe that it's because he's in his
[00:07:40] 60's and he feels that... mortality is round the
[00:07:44] corner and he wants to put this down. um, I do think
[00:07:48] that raking up the past in this way is not helpful or kind to William and
[00:07:52] Harry, but interestingly in the interview he says that this will not have come a
[00:07:55] surprise to William and Harry, and when we were told that uh, they only knew
[00:07:59] that the book was being published, not its content, now what he said seemed to be rather
[00:08:03] different to that, he he insists it's not about money, I do
[00:08:07] think that if it's not about money, fair enough, well then
[00:08:11] perhaps donate... all the prophets to the Diana
[00:08:14] Award, the uh the charity in her name, that would
[00:08:18] please his late sister, Jenny Bond, really interesting to get your analysis, thank
[00:08:22] you for being with us. Let's go back to Danielella Ralph, and that was an interesting
[00:08:26] point that Jenny made there about the fact that this won't be used to princes
[00:08:30] William and Harry, implying that he has already discussed it with them.
[00:08:33] Yeah, that definitely is the implication in what um Charles Spencer said
[00:08:37] there, and actually if you go back to Harry's book, spare, he
[00:08:41] does actually. fur in spare to the fact that he was well aware
[00:08:45] the difficulties around the decision making over whether he and his brother
[00:08:49] William should walk behind their mother's coffins, so you get a sense of that
[00:08:53] discussion had already been had with with their uncle Charles and that that perhaps they were
[00:08:57] both well aware the difficult nature the conversations and some
[00:09:01] the um differences of opinions about that in that
[00:09:05] week, but um they may have that conversation may have been had with them before, but
[00:09:09] I'm not sure either them really understood quite how it was going to... play in
[00:09:13] this book, I think just listening to Jenny as well, there is a there is a sort of
[00:09:16] alternative option here, which is that everybody is right, I mean there's
[00:09:19] a lot of um conversation about um who's telling the
[00:09:23] truth, who who do you
[00:09:25] believe here? now you've heard seen the buckian palace statement, we've now heard from Charles
[00:09:28] Spencer, um, who do you believe? it's a really difficult conversation
[00:09:32] for bucky and palace because they are having to deal with questions about the
[00:09:36] honesty and the integrity the king. now they do not want to be
[00:09:39] doing that and find themselves in this position, but it may... that everybody's right, that this
[00:09:43] is how Charles Spencer remembers it, that maybe the king
[00:09:47] didn't say it how he, in the way that Charles Spencer will trays it, so it
[00:09:51] may be correct, but everybody's as ever take on this situation is different. Let me
[00:09:55] just ask you as well about, you mentioned Princess William Harring, you mentioned Prince Harry's
[00:09:59] book spare, I've read some analysis that said that he kind of
[00:10:03] opened the stable door by writing that book in that beforehand it was a
[00:10:06] accepted that nobody would talk about private conversations within
[00:10:10] the royal family, but because he's did it, he is the son the king,
[00:10:14] that actually that gave - permission almost to El
[00:10:18] Spencer to do the same, what do you make of that? I mean, it's
[00:10:22] possible, I suppose I think that have been thinking about. this for a long
[00:10:26] time and he said he was very much driven by the fact that he was heading into the
[00:10:29] 30th anniversary of his sister's death and that was the timing
[00:10:33] that drove him uh to to write the book and that was the big
[00:10:37] thing behind it. mean i think that for buckingham
[00:10:40] palace the fact that it was al spencer writing this book was significant
[00:10:44] in terms of why they responded because there are you know dozens of royal
[00:10:48] books, hundreds probably every year written by world watches and pundits and
[00:10:52] journalists, but they viewed a book by ell spencer to be... from someone
[00:10:56] within the wider family, and I think that was added pressure in terms
[00:10:59] of whether they should say something. Okay, Daniel, stay with us. I want to bring in now
[00:11:03] historian and broadcaster, Dr. Tessa Dunlop to get some
[00:11:07] analysis from her. Doctor, welcome to you, thanks very much for being with us. Tell
[00:11:11] us a little bit more about Charles Spencer's relationship with his sister, Diana. We saw
[00:11:15] him in that interview, get emotional, talking about the moments that he learned
[00:11:19] about her death from his other sister, one of his other sisters, Jane, and
[00:11:23] also tearing up when he spoke about how... how much he remembers her, misses
[00:11:27] her, how you never get over the loss of sibling, um, and also
[00:11:31] more about this justification that he wants to set the record straight, he wants to speak on
[00:11:34] behalf of princess Diana, what's your assessment of
[00:11:37] that?
[00:11:43] I've managed to unmute my microphone now, I um, in terms
[00:11:47] the uh justification for the book and
[00:11:51] his sadness over the loss of Diana, it's a given, he will have been devastated by
[00:11:55] the loss of his older sister, but I felt in terms the
[00:11:59] motivations for his book, for this expose, he wasn't
[00:12:02] sufficiently challenged, your reporter just now said, it's possible,
[00:12:06] they're all right, I would say on every count, almost every
[00:12:10] player involved in this sorry saga is wrong, I think Charles
[00:12:13] Spencer has misjudged it horribly with the publication of this
[00:12:16] book, I think the king misjudged it by
[00:12:20] responding with that verbose word salad rebottle,
[00:12:24] because that gave... predence if you like, to spencer's allegations, and I
[00:12:28] thought that the BBC was also wrong in the way in which they platform
[00:12:32] Spencer's book, to be frank, they may as well have run an Amazon link beneath the
[00:12:35] interview, there was no proper interrogation of his motives, clear that
[00:12:39] he wants to make money, it's on his thrott website, he even claimed in the interview that he
[00:12:43] didn't really believe in titles, this is a man who's often postured
[00:12:47] with his earl title, you can go to the church in Naseby where he's the main
[00:12:51] champion, the title champion pushing for the battlefield to be...
[00:12:55] recognized, he often weaponizes his title, when it suits him, that
[00:12:59] wasn't challenged, his own failures regarding his sister, i expect
[00:13:02] there was a heft of guilt for example, um, when he
[00:13:06] was um in in the wake of of Diana's death, often guilt
[00:13:10] is is a primary and primary motivation, I'm not, I just think
[00:13:14] there's there's a sort of sadness about all of this, that we feel compelled to be sucked
[00:13:17] into the soap elements, stand back and tell me where is the public
[00:13:21] interest that two men in grief in... guilt in
[00:13:25] confusion, had hot words, yes, that's predictable,
[00:13:29] that's obvious, but
[00:13:31] i i'm i'm kind of looking back at it, and i think history will judge all the
[00:13:35] players badly. yeah, well, critics, there may be someho
[00:13:38] agree with you, others would say there is a justification, he is talking about the king
[00:13:42] of England and what happened
[00:13:44] in those king of britain, king the UK, king of 14 other realms outside of
[00:13:48] England, yeah, and so there is justification and a public interest because he is talking
[00:13:51] about something that was hugely significant at the time, and
[00:13:55] does call into question um the king's integrity, others may
[00:13:59] disagree, they may agree with you and think that actually we shouldn't be discussing this at all,
[00:14:03] but but it is a book that is being published and lots of people across the country and up
[00:14:07] and down the land are talking about it, so let ask you, so let me out
[00:14:11] in the public domain, it had to be discussed, also had to be properly interrogated, okay,
[00:14:15] well, you can criticize other people's journalism, um, I'm sure
[00:14:19] Laura would say that she absolutely did push back and ask him justifiable questions, but let ask you
[00:14:23] about the criticism you had the king, you said he shouldn't have um written
[00:14:27] that verbose or the palace shouldn't have responded in that v i think verbose you
[00:14:30] called a word salad way what why what you so critical
[00:14:33] about because historically and as they said it in their
[00:14:37] own statement we don't normally comment on
[00:14:41] books so why this one the king did not push
[00:14:45] back against Harry's book spare which made accusations about William being a
[00:14:49] hot head and Camilla being a sort of media manipulator king said
[00:14:52] nothing he let that go by so
[00:14:55] we to infer from that what Harry wrote was true, or is it
[00:14:59] just different rules for sons and separate ones for ex-brother-in-laws? I thought it
[00:15:02] was hugely inconsistent, and what it did was it gave
[00:15:06] Charles Spencer agency, so you effectively had there,
[00:15:10] Laura Clinsburg platforming the king's words, basically
[00:15:14] suggesting, I think she used the word the furious palace responses
[00:15:17] fury, so that then Spencer could push back and go, well it's my truth, I'm telling
[00:15:21] the truth, so it's a sort of reducing the monarchy to the level. of
[00:15:25] Yabu sucks, I'm not, I'm right, you're wrong. This is
[00:15:28] lowering the institution of monarchy. What if we sit back and
[00:15:32] look at the polling for monarchy, which is approximately 50 plus
[00:15:36] percent just. "if you dig into that, the younger
[00:15:39] generations, the the largest minority them aren't just
[00:15:43] apathetic about monarchy, they are anti-monarchy. what
[00:15:47] monarchy needs to do if it's to serve the public in this popular symbolic form
[00:15:51] that it now inhabits, it needs to be national glue, national glue
[00:15:55] for an often disunited kingdom and beyond that for its other realms, and
[00:15:59] actually by digging in the weeds and and and effectively
[00:16:03] responding to accusations against the monarch's integrity, you are
[00:16:07] lowering..." that office
[00:16:09] that that your position is head of state, and I think
[00:16:12] retrospectively, bearing in mind they released this statement about
[00:16:16] 90 minutes after it was first leaked into the public domain,
[00:16:20] those very incendiary comments about Charles and
[00:16:24] Furing Diana would soon be forgotten, they did it very, very quickly, they gave
[00:16:28] 90 minutes, it was an impetuous response, always better to
[00:16:31] wait, and they didn't, I think they should have held
[00:16:35] fort, waited and let it... over what they did was they gave it
[00:16:39] legs and look how we're running with those legs, laura used them and
[00:16:42] journalistically they're correctly in the interview and I think it's it's lowered the
[00:16:46] weight the institution of monarchy from a historic perspective
[00:16:50] donlop thank you okay daniella um tasa
[00:16:54] done not happy with any of this any element the story at all very critical of
[00:16:57] everybody um let's just take that claim or that
[00:17:01] accusation that the palice should not have responded in that way others may well agree that
[00:17:05] actually they should have carried on much as the queen did through most of her rain,
[00:17:09] never explain, never complain. yeah, i um, i could
[00:17:13] understand that perspective. mean, my thought about it lot over the past few days,
[00:17:17] mean we live a very noisy world, um, i wonder whether when
[00:17:21] there was so much cut coming at the palace from Charles Spencer over
[00:17:25] number of days that they felt they just didn't want to leave that void, um, and i
[00:17:29] wonder whether we are now not in a world of never explain, never
[00:17:32] complain, um, the the landscape is very different 10
[00:17:36] years ago, or 20 years ago, if you want to engage young people, you have
[00:17:40] to connect with them and have something to say, and would it have been better for the
[00:17:44] palace to say absolutely nothing, day after day after day? I mean, for
[00:17:48] me, from a journalistic perspective, it was very good to have a statement, it's much easier to do
[00:17:52] report about a statement than it is about silence, and I just
[00:17:55] wonder, I think it was very difficult decision for the palace
[00:17:58] to decide to say something, and they've thought about it and mold
[00:18:02] over it over the past couple of days in terms of how it's landed, but
[00:18:06] I do think may... not silent but sparing might be
[00:18:10] better way of how they're going to do things going forward and just completely staying
[00:18:14] silent. she she raised the point about and you did just say as well
[00:18:17] about the popularity or otherwise the royal family with younger generations
[00:18:21] it is really important because they need to be able to justify
[00:18:25] their existence um going forward when
[00:18:28] you know king charles isn't here um william perhaps become you will become
[00:18:32] king eventually he needs to connect with younger people because
[00:18:36] they need to feel that the... justified in the money that goes to the royal family,
[00:18:40] yeah, I mean, the success the monarchy is of course down to its popularity
[00:18:44] ultimately and how it connects with the people it is raining over and it is a
[00:18:47] difficult time for them, there has been a rough ride, what with the Andrew
[00:18:51] Mountbatton Winder situation following the transition into
[00:18:54] a new reign, the problems with Harry and Megan and how that has
[00:18:58] polarized many people and particularly young people who
[00:19:01] feel very much generally in the polling that they are on Harry and Megan's side
[00:19:05] and feel that they have been treated bad. by the institution, so there are lots
[00:19:09] of very difficult situations that they are having to manage, and that is
[00:19:13] why Prince William has spoken number of times about why, when
[00:19:17] he is king, he is going to modernize the monarchy and do things his way.
[00:19:21] Okay, Danielle, again, stay
[00:19:22] with us, I want to bring in Victoria Murphy, a journalist specializing in the Royal
[00:19:26] Family. Hi, Victoria, what did you make the interview, what stood out for
[00:19:29] you? Good evening, well, I mean, an extraordinary
[00:19:33] interview and another extraordinary week in raw reporting.
[00:19:37] and um, as I'm sure Danielella will agree, we've had few extraordinary weeks in w
[00:19:41] reporting in recent years. I mean, I think really
[00:19:45] the the bit that was initially put out um by the BBC
[00:19:49] was remains to me, having watched the whole interview, the most striking
[00:19:53] part of it, and that is really seeing El Spencer doubling
[00:19:56] down on these allegations, he is being very, very clear that this
[00:20:00] is exactly what he remembers being said to him, you know, and
[00:20:04] he looked Laura Kunsberg in the eye and he said, "I am telling the..." truth, we've also
[00:20:08] seen him speak to the email on Sunday accusing the king of
[00:20:12] gaslighting him, he's also said the same thing to ABC news in the US,
[00:20:16] I work with them, actually they have an interview as well, um, and I
[00:20:19] think this is deeply, deeply uncomfortable for the Royal Family that this
[00:20:23] is happening, they must have known when they put out the
[00:20:27] statement that there was a significant chance that -
[00:20:31] Spencer was going to be vocal, he's going to promote this book, he's going to be
[00:20:35] carrying out lots of interviews and there was always a significant chance that there would
[00:20:39] be this war of words, and that is what we are
[00:20:42] now in. I think from their perspective, as Daniela has said, they
[00:20:45] obviously very strongly felt that they needed to put a big question
[00:20:49] mark. over this because the allegation was so damaging and we've seen them
[00:20:53] do this a handful of times in recent years of course
[00:20:57] Harry and Megan's opra interview another example of that
[00:21:01] um but they've only really I think put a question mark over it for some people
[00:21:05] because polling we've seen in U-gav um recent polling has
[00:21:08] shown that people are divided on whether or not they believe that the king
[00:21:12] said this so this this real war of words and it's not a good
[00:21:16] outcome for the royal family you know the royal family is meant to stand for
[00:21:20] unity and consistency and stability, and we have the
[00:21:23] public very divided on this. well, I was going to ask,
[00:21:27] does it matter ultimately, um, who the public
[00:21:31] believes, whether it is the king, whether it is ol spencer, will this just
[00:21:35] blow over, or is that the potential for this do long-term
[00:21:38] damage to the monarchy? well, all these scandals, they all do come
[00:21:42] and go, and that is the thing that we have learned over,
[00:21:46] recent years, these things blow up and they seem like the biggest... and
[00:21:50] something that people will never move on from, and then of course people do.
[00:21:54] um, but I
[00:21:55] do think there's a sort of wider issue here for the monarchy and the royal family, which I
[00:21:59] think has the potential to be lot more ongoing, because
[00:22:02] you know, it's one thing for the king, the palace to be a
[00:22:06] war of words, a PR battle with
[00:22:08] El Spencer, and they may well ultimately win that. He has been criticized
[00:22:12] quite a bit over his motivations for writing this book and
[00:22:16] questioned over those, um, but it's quite another thing for them. to
[00:22:20] be a PR battle with Princess Diana and her legacy, and I
[00:22:24] think that's the wider picture here as we approach the 30th anniversary
[00:22:28] of her death, because one the reasons this book is so
[00:22:32] problematic for the monarchy, it's not just because the new
[00:22:35] information that's in it, the new allegations that are in it, but
[00:22:39] it's because lot the content is reminding the public and
[00:22:43] reminding whole new generations of people, there are a lot of adults now in their
[00:22:47] 30s and 40s who were just children. when Diana
[00:22:51] died and who perhaps didn't have that same level of emotional
[00:22:54] attachment that older generations might have, but for whom
[00:22:58] this story has the potential to be resurrected a new
[00:23:02] way, well that's a good, that is a good point Victoria, because actually two younger
[00:23:06] people, do they do they
[00:23:08] care? um,
[00:23:11] I, I think there's a more visceral emotional attachment from the
[00:23:15] older generations, from people who perhaps lived through the
[00:23:19] Diana, years, I mean, you're most likely to hear that more
[00:23:23] kind of visceral criticism of Camilla, for example, I think from the older
[00:23:26] generations who formed their opinions very strongly in that
[00:23:30] time, um, I think time has been a healer for her reputation
[00:23:34] absolutely, um, but I still think that there's a lot of
[00:23:38] fascination and interest in Diana and her legacy around the world, and
[00:23:41] particularly in the US, I work with US media a lot, and
[00:23:45] that there's a lot of love and lot of interest in her, and we've seen in recent years things like
[00:23:49] the... so when i think it was series 4 the crown came out
[00:23:53] and that dealt with Dianas and happiness in the royal family, yes it's
[00:23:56] fiction, but it's based on facts and it's got this
[00:24:00] huge, huge global audience, and around
[00:24:04] that time we actually saw that um, it was Clarence House at the time, but Charles and
[00:24:08] Camilla, they had to turn off the comments on their social media because people were
[00:24:12] criticizing them so much and this is likely to be a younger generation
[00:24:16] who are watching the crown, it's not just the older generation being
[00:24:20] reminded, it's bringing that story to new audience. Victoria Murphy, thank
[00:24:24] you very much for jing being with us, journalists specializing in the Royal Family
[00:24:27] there. Um, Danielle, just before we let you go, um, Charles
[00:24:31] Spencer said in that interview, there was more things he could say, but he's not
[00:24:35] going to. Um, we've talked about how potentially damaging this is to the
[00:24:39] royal family, will the king be worried, do you think? I think Charles
[00:24:43] Bencer was pretty clear in that interview that yes, he may have had plenty of
[00:24:46] other things he could say, but this was it, it was his. song to the
[00:24:50] name of his book, it was an end for him
[00:24:53] and he seemed pretty genuine about that,
[00:24:56] that this he didn't want to
[00:24:56] say anything more about it, the whole point of writing this book would be to draw a line
[00:25:00] under it for him, so let's see if he holds to that, he seem pretty determined
[00:25:04] that this would be um the end, suspect that will be much to the relief
[00:25:08] the royal family who have been incredibly unsettled by events the
[00:25:12] last few days and also for William and Harry because this must have been
[00:25:16] just from a personal perspective having all of this drawn up again.
[00:25:20] incredibly painful episode in recent days. have you read the book? have
[00:25:24] you got it yet? haven't got all of it. no, no, yes, so we don't know if there's actually any more
[00:25:28] to come. no, we don't. mean, what we do know though is that the book is published
[00:25:32] on Tuesday, most journalists will get it tomorrow morning to have a 24
[00:25:36] hour uh speed reading session of it. and Charles
[00:25:39] Bencer will be doing further interviews. as Victoria mentioned there, there there will be more to come
[00:25:43] this week. so the story is not going anywhere certainly for the next few days.
[00:25:47] Daniel, thank you very much for being with us taking us through all
[00:25:49] of that. You can watch the full interview here on the BBC News channel at 9:30
[00:25:53] pm BST, it's also available on the BBC i player and
[00:25:57] BBC Sounds right now. Stay with us here on BBC
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[00:26:08] 'Hello there, let's take a look at some the world weather headlines across the globe, we're going to
[00:26:12] start off in North America, not that much in the way of significant change if
[00:26:16] you've been following for the last couple of days, we've got this heavy rain that's been easing
[00:26:20] to the south the great lakes across the Ohio valley moving up
[00:26:24] across parts of New England and that is going to producing some heavy
[00:26:27] torrential thundery downpours, to the south of that we still got that
[00:26:31] extreme heat'. as well now Mexico is largely fine and
[00:26:35] quiet, we've got some heavier rain through Honduras and down into Costa Rica and
[00:26:39] Panama we could see as much as 200 to 250 millimeters over the
[00:26:43] next few days and plenty of frequent showers across the Caribbean as
[00:26:46] well. into South America, some heavy rain across southern Brazil, that's
[00:26:50] still very much feature. we've got slightly quieter conditions down
[00:26:54] to the south, but it's this heavy rain and strong winds with guts of
[00:26:58] winds in excess of 100 miles an hour over the next couple of.
[00:27:03] into Europe, north, south divide at the moment, we've still got a lot of dry
[00:27:07] weather with showers easing through the Mediterranean and temperatures above the
[00:27:11] average for the time of year, a little bit fresher to the far north, but some of that
[00:27:14] extreme heat will gradually drift its way across France, not as
[00:27:18] extreme as it has been in recent months. over into
[00:27:21] Africa, still the risk of few scattered showers across parts
[00:27:25] the extreme north into Algeria and Tunisia, very heavy
[00:27:29] rain through the Gulf of Guiney out along the west coast, but... heavy rain through
[00:27:33] South Africa has gradually starting to fade away.
[00:27:37] Extreme heat has been the feature through the Middle East in recent days, some of
[00:27:40] that extreme heat is starting ease a little across Iraq, Kuwait
[00:27:44] and northern Iran, few scattered showers through the caucases. Very
[00:27:48] heavy rain is expected to move its way up through West Bengal
[00:27:52] gradually over to um Andhra Pradesh. We're also seeing some heavy rain
[00:27:56] along that east coast of Tamil Nadu. Here weather warnings remain
[00:27:59] in force. Storm Deujoin. and continues to track
[00:28:03] its way
[00:28:04] and easterly direction across that east coast of
[00:28:07] Japan, taking some very heavy rain through Tokyo and washes a
[00:28:11] public holiday at the moment, the heaviest the rain further south is across
[00:28:15] southern Vietnam, Myanmar and Inter Borneo and the
[00:28:18] Philippines as well, and then finally into Australia little bit
[00:28:22] quieter here over the next few days
[00:28:23] and warmer with the exception perhaps through parts of Adelade, but
[00:28:27] temperatures will climb, we got some shary rain through the south island of
[00:28:31] New Zealand, that's gradually ease in the next few days as well,
[00:28:35] take care, we just kind of
[00:28:39] work without fear because it's fun for me, it's like if I fail, it's no
[00:28:43] big deal, if something don't work out, I'm not afraid of of failure, because to me I
[00:28:47] never feel like loser, she could act, she could sing, she could write songs, I mean she was
[00:28:51] the complete package, to millions across the globe, Dolly
[00:28:54] Partton was a true one off, lady who,
[00:28:58] I truly believe was the most beloved human being in.
[00:29:02] the world fans from Nashville, Dolly, we
[00:29:06] love you to Newcastle have been celebrating the star's
[00:29:10] life. It feels a little bit like when the queen
[00:29:13] died, it honestly
[00:29:15] does. This is
[00:29:19] how the world paid its respects to the undisputed
[00:29:22] queen of country. The idea of a world without dolly in it, it just
[00:29:26] doesn't seem real down to Dollywood,
[00:29:30] I'm on down to Dollywood. You'll have fun and we'll treat you good, so
[00:29:34] come on down to Dollywood, it's better on
[00:29:36] fast.
[00:30:06] live from London, this is BBC News. Exit polls in two state
[00:30:10] elections in Germany show big losses for Chancellor Merz's CDU
[00:30:13] party. He describes the results as disaster for his party with
[00:30:17] the AFD and D Linker making gains. Bill
[00:30:21] Spencer tells the BBC writing his book about his sister Princess Diana was his
[00:30:25] duty as an eyewitness to history and defends claims he made about the
[00:30:29] king. I'm reporting. every word in this
[00:30:33] book, I report exactly as I saw it and felt it at the
[00:30:36] time, and I was surprised at the giddiness
[00:30:40] of his tone, that's what I'm recording there.
[00:30:44] At least two people are killed in the Moscow region a massive Ukrainian drone
[00:30:48] attack, Russia says it's an attempt to disrupt the country's parliamentary
[00:30:51] elections. Atchiran apologizes to fans for what he calls
[00:30:55] mistakes as he performs for the first time since the support act was dropped for making.