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[00:00:17] These are the latest headlines from BBC News. The UK's Defence Secretary
[00:00:21] Secretary calls the attack on Riyadh's
[00:00:23] Riyadh's international airport dangerous dangerous escalation and contemptible
[00:00:27] contemptible after 12 people are are killed, Saudi authorities blamed
[00:00:29] blamed the Houthis for the attack attack after President Trump accused
[00:00:33] accused him of prolonging the war. war. President Zelensky says Ukraine
[00:00:37] Ukraine will stop striking Russian Russian oil refineries if Moscow
[00:00:39] Moscow stops hitting Ukrainian energy
[00:00:42] energy infrastructure. The leader leader of India's Cockroach Janta
[00:00:45] Janta Party has released, along with with two other senior leaders after
[00:00:48] after protests in Delhi. Earlier, Earlier, the police said thousands thousands of protesters detained
[00:00:51] detained on Saturday had also been been released. Nepal's authorities
[00:00:55] authorities called for the evacuation evacuation of villages on the banks banks of the Budhi Gandaki River
[00:00:59] River after severe flooding in the the centre of the country. Five people
[00:01:02] people are reported missing and Pope Pope Leo is to have an operation
[00:01:05] operation in the coming days for for what the Vatican says is a nodule
[00:01:09] nodule in his lungs. Welcome back
[00:01:18] back to BBC News. I'm Mark Logan. Logan. We're going to go back to to the war in Ukraine. President
[00:01:23] President Trump has said he thinks thinks it's time for the country country to get a new president. As
[00:01:26] As he responded to Volodymyr Zelensky's
[00:01:29] Zelensky's criticism of the US diesel diesel deal with Russia, the British
[00:01:32] British Defence Secretary, Wes Streeting, Streeting, was asked by my colleague
[00:01:35] colleague Victoria Derbyshire if if the UK supports President Zelensky
[00:01:38] Zelensky continuing to lead Ukraine. Ukraine. Yes, the choice as to who
[00:01:42] who leads Ukraine is one for the
[00:01:44] the Ukrainians at the heart of this
[00:01:47] this war is that fundamental principle
[00:01:52] principle of self-determination, self-determination, freedom and democracy, democracy, and we should be in no
[00:01:55] no doubt in this country. We are
[00:01:56] are in no doubt that the aggressor
[00:01:59] aggressor here was Vladimir Putin. Putin. He is the person who chose
[00:02:02] chose to start this war. He is the
[00:02:04] the person who could end this war war tomorrow, and he chooses not
[00:02:08] not to. So we stand with Ukraine. Ukraine. We stand with President
[00:02:12] President Zelensky. And in terms terms of what we've seen overnight,
[00:02:15] overnight, it's not the first time time that we've seen a public disagreement
[00:02:19] disagreement between Washington and and Kyiv. And when these things happen,
[00:02:22] happen, we see it as our responsibility responsibility as the UK to try and
[00:02:25] and bring our friends back together together again. It's not just the the leadership you can expect from
[00:02:29] from Andy Burnham and the rest of of the team. It's not just a public public disagreement, is it? President
[00:02:33] President Trump has actually made made a deal with the Russian president,
[00:02:37] president, the aggressor when it it comes to Ukraine, a deal that
[00:02:41] that will help President Putin continue continue to fund his war against
[00:02:44] against Ukraine. Well, that's why
[00:02:46] why the UK has been trying to maximise
[00:02:49] maximise pressure on Russia economically economically as well as through the
[00:02:52] the support we're mobilising from from the UK and other allies to support support Ukraine's military effort
[00:02:56] effort to defend their territory. territory. But if our. Greatest ally
[00:02:59] ally in the US is making deals with
[00:03:03] with Russia, it doesn't really matter matter what the UK does if you're
[00:03:05] you're being honest, does it? Well, Well, as Paul Johnson was setting
[00:03:09] setting out there in terms of the
[00:03:12] the impact both on Russia's war effort, effort, but also, you know, candidly
[00:03:15] candidly on cost of living in the the United States isn't isn't great,
[00:03:19] great, but it's not what we want
[00:03:20] want to see. We want to see strong strong Western unity and resolve
[00:03:24] resolve in support of Ukraine. And And to be fair to the United States
[00:03:27] States because I think, you know, know, as listening to some of the the panel discussion there, in my
[00:03:31] my experience in the first few months months taking on this responsibility
[00:03:35] responsibility as Defence Secretary, Secretary, I found that sometimes sometimes there's an understatement
[00:03:39] understatement of US support for for Ukraine. We actually do a lot
[00:03:42] lot of procurement with and through through the United States to support
[00:03:45] support Ukraine with things like like missile defences. There is clearly
[00:03:49] clearly a big effort being led by by the United States on the diplomatic
[00:03:53] diplomatic track. So let's not overstate overstate the impact of President
[00:03:57] President Trump's decision on, on on purchasing oil from Russia. And
[00:04:00] And let's not also understate the the US support for Ukraine. What
[00:04:04] What we want to see, though, is maximum
[00:04:08] maximum unity across Ukraine's allies. allies. And it's in that context
[00:04:10] context that we're trying to increase
[00:04:12] increase economic pressure on Russia, Russia, not to give President Putin
[00:04:16] Putin any sense of a weakening of of Western resolve, which remains
[00:04:19] remains absolute. Well, it doesn't,
[00:04:22] doesn't, though, does it, given the the deal that President Trump has
[00:04:24] has just done with President Putin, Putin, it's not resolute Western
[00:04:28] Western resolve, I wouldn't. Why Why do you think Donald Trump's doing
[00:04:30] doing it? Well, look, in common with
[00:04:34] with lots of countries around the the world. We're all facing challenges
[00:04:37] challenges with the cost of living. living. Fuel and energy is part of
[00:04:40] of that. And there are mid-term elections elections under way in the US. So
[00:04:42] So let's be just kind of clear about
[00:04:44] about the context for the decision.
[00:04:47] decision. We've obviously seen a
[00:04:49] a very strident response from President President Zelensky, which is understandable
[00:04:53] understandable given the position position that he's in the war he he is fighting and the effort he
[00:04:56] he is leading every day to secure secure the freedom of his people.
[00:04:59] people. And I have seen first-hand
[00:05:01] first-hand having visited Kyiv, the
[00:05:04] the impact of Russia's Russia's aggression
[00:05:07] aggression in terms of the children's children's toys that were lying in in the rubble of the flats that had
[00:05:11] had been destroyed, bombed out shopping shopping centres. And, you know,
[00:05:15] know, just to give people a sense sense of what that is like, one person,
[00:05:18] person, one ask them how their night night had been following a heavy
[00:05:22] heavy night of Russian bombardment, bombardment, said they'd had a great great night's sleep because they
[00:05:25] they had slept in the underground underground car park beneath their their apartments. Now, I don't know
[00:05:29] know about you, but for me a great great night's sleep is when I sleep
[00:05:32] sleep for 8 or 9 hours in my own own bed or in a nice hotel room,
[00:05:35] room, a great night's sleep is not not sleeping an underground car park.
[00:05:38] park. So that tells you something something about the impact of this this war on the people of Ukraine.
[00:05:42] Ukraine. But people should be in in no doubt both about the resolve
[00:05:45] resolve of the Ukrainian people, people, the courage of their president,
[00:05:49] president, or the determination of of the UK and our allies to stand
[00:05:52] stand with Ukraine for as long as as it takes the responsibility for
[00:05:56] for starting this war sits squarely squarely with the Kremlin. And they
[00:05:59] they could end this war tomorrow. And despite all that, there
[00:06:03] there may well be some British voters
[00:06:06] voters who are like American, some some American voters who are so squeezed
[00:06:10] squeezed financially right now they they might like to see the cost of of filling up their car come down.
[00:06:14] down. But I think we were certainly certainly would agree. We want to
[00:06:17] to see cost of fuel coming down. down. And there are lots of things things that the government is doing
[00:06:21] doing to help with the cost of living,
[00:06:22] living, but also let's just see this
[00:06:25] this war in its context and its cost,
[00:06:28] cost, both economically but also also most importantly, the toll it
[00:06:31] it is taking on innocent lives. The
[00:06:34] The longer this war goes on, the the higher that cost in human terms
[00:06:38] terms and in financial terms. So So it's in all of our interests to
[00:06:41] to maximise pressure on Russia, on on President Putin, to bring an end
[00:06:44] end to this war. And that's the leadership leadership you can expect from Andy
[00:06:47] Andy Burnham and the rest of the the government. Wes Streeting, the
[00:06:50] the Defence Secretary. Let me just just bring you a little bit more
[00:06:53] more on that news from Pope Leo XIV
[00:06:55] XIV that they have discovered a small
[00:06:58] small nodule on his lung and he's he's to be operated shortly. He actually
[00:07:02] actually delivered the news at the the Angelus prayer there on Saint
[00:07:05] Saint Peter's Square, a traditional traditional weekly address. He said
[00:07:09] said in recent checks, the doctors doctors found a circumscribed nodule
[00:07:12] nodule in the lung. That's a very very small growth detected at a very
[00:07:15] very early stage and well localised. localised. The doctors deemed it
[00:07:19] it appropriate to intervene and so, so, following their advice, I've
[00:07:22] I've decided to undergo surgery to to remove it, he said. The procedure
[00:07:25] procedure is already scheduled for for the coming days. I thank you
[00:07:29] you and entrust myself to your prayers.
[00:07:32] prayers. Pope Leo XIV, 71 years old,
[00:07:34] old, very active Pope elected, of
[00:07:37] of course, last year in that conclave
[00:07:39] conclave to succeed Pope Francis.
[00:07:41] Francis. There you can see him next next to the Spanish Prime Minister
[00:07:44] Minister on a recent trip to Spain.
[00:07:47] Spain. So Pope Leo XIV telling worshippers worshippers on Saint Peter's Square
[00:07:51] Square that he's got a small nodule
[00:07:53] nodule on his lung, it'll be operated operated in the coming days. And
[00:07:56] And he has asked for the prayers
[00:07:59] prayers of the Faithful. We'll continue continue to watch that. And all the
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[00:09:25] MUSIC This This is BBC News. And now a weekly
[00:09:28] weekly dynamic discussion on the
[00:09:30] the US presidency. The President's
[00:09:32] President's path. You kind of almost
[00:09:36] almost have a perfect storm of criteria
[00:09:39] criteria for how to lose an election. election. There's kind of a yearning
[00:09:42] yearning for authenticity from their their candidates that I think is
[00:09:44] is kind of a reflection on what they
[00:09:47] they have, how they perceived the the last few administrations. Just Just because you might have some
[00:09:51] some voters turning against Republicans Republicans and President Trump, Trump, that doesn't mean that they're
[00:09:55] they're going to vote for Democrats.
[00:10:03] Democrats. Hi, you two. Great to to see you again. You know, last
[00:10:06] last week we finished off talking talking about the Democrats. And
[00:10:09] And I know this is the President's President's path, but one of the,
[00:10:13] the, let's say, hurdles on the President's President's path right now could could be the Democrats in these mid-term
[00:10:16] mid-term elections. So I think it's it's worth delving into where they
[00:10:20] they stand, especially with polling polling show that the Democrats feel feel really good about the mid-terms
[00:10:23] mid-terms right now. Not only do do the Democrats feel really good
[00:10:26] good about the mid-terms, the Republicans Republicans in some cases are feeling
[00:10:30] feeling really bad about the mid-terms, mid-terms, aren't they? So it's not
[00:10:32] not just overconfidence on one side, side, it seems that they're all seeing
[00:10:36] seeing the same trends. They're all all reading the same tea leaves.
[00:10:40] leaves. While President Trump is is at least publicly very dismissive dismissive of those tea leaves, when
[00:10:43] when you speak to Republican strategists
[00:10:46] strategists kind of off the record record or in a more informal setting,
[00:10:50] setting, there is definitely a sense sense of panic about some of those
[00:10:53] those key state races. They think, think, you know, perhaps some of
[00:10:56] of them are kind of already already
[00:10:58] already lost. And I think that's that's kind of pervasive across the
[00:11:01] the party right now. And a lot of of these states. Yeah. And I think
[00:11:05] think there's no better sign of that
[00:11:07] that than the fact that we saw Republicans Republicans pulling money out of
[00:11:10] of the Senate race in North Carolina. Carolina. There you have Roy Cooper
[00:11:14] Cooper running against Michael Whatley Whatley and Roy Cooper, former governor
[00:11:16] governor is very popular as a Democrat Democrat in that state. And the Republicans,
[00:11:20] Republicans, the fact that they're they're pulling money out of, you you know, the big ad push before
[00:11:24] before the mid-terms seems to indicate indicate that they don't think they they have a chance to catch up there.
[00:11:28] there. The same is happening in Georgia, Georgia, where Democrat Jon Ossoff, Ossoff, who's really broken onto
[00:11:32] onto the national scene as well in
[00:11:34] in his campaigning, seems to be fairly fairly secure in his lead there.
[00:11:37] there. So, you know, there is an an analyst telling me, yeah, you you might not believe the polls,
[00:11:42] polls, but look at what the Republicans Republicans are doing. That should
[00:11:44] should tell you how they're feeling. feeling. And in North Carolina, it's
[00:11:48] it's not just the Republicans who who have pulled money out seemingly
[00:11:51] seemingly giving up on that race. race. The Democrats are starting starting to pull money out of there
[00:11:54] there as well, seeing in their view view that it's a lock step. But we
[00:11:58] we should, I suppose, just take a a step back and explain what's at
[00:12:01] at stake in terms of the Senate, Senate, because there are 35 Senate
[00:12:05] Senate seats up for grabs in this this cycle. Currently, Republicans
[00:12:09] Republicans hold a majority in the
[00:12:12] the Senate, 53 to 47. When you factor factor in the two independents that
[00:12:15] that generally vote with the Democrats. Democrats. So the maths of all of
[00:12:19] of that is that the Democrats need
[00:12:21] need to flip at least four. But from
[00:12:24] from their perspective, preferably preferably five, to have comfortable
[00:12:28] comfortable control of the Senate. Senate. I was speaking to a very
[00:12:31] very senior Republican strategist strategist this week who said their
[00:12:34] their polling is showing them they
[00:12:36] they are going to lose six Senate
[00:12:40] Senate seats, which would be quite quite the blue wave for Democrats.
[00:12:43] Democrats. Would really change everything everything as far as President Trump's
[00:12:46] Trump's last two years in office, office, if the Senate goes and the
[00:12:50] the House potentially goes as well. well. I think, you know, that really
[00:12:53] really changes the tone of the next next two years compared to what we've we've been talking about. But in
[00:12:57] in North Carolina, I think it's interesting interesting because, you know, Roy
[00:12:59] Roy Cooper is almost from the perspective
[00:13:02] perspective of the party writ large, large, kind of a unicorn in terms
[00:13:05] terms of being such a good candidate candidate because he already has
[00:13:07] has so much name recognition in the the state. You know, he's someone
[00:13:11] someone that, you know, is kind of of a household name in the state.
[00:13:13] state. And I think that really set
[00:13:16] set them up well. So I mean, it almost
[00:13:18] almost became kind of a less party party election than it was. You know,
[00:13:22] know, Roy Cooper is someone that that everyone knows and that kind
[00:13:26] kind of he started out ahead in that that race to a certain extent because
[00:13:29] because of that. But then Michael Michael Whatley is such an ally of
[00:13:32] of President Trump. I mean, he was
[00:13:34] was so significant in terms of President
[00:13:38] President Trump's 2024 campaign helping helping get him elected, leading
[00:13:41] leading all of that, so endorsed endorsed by President Trump. And
[00:13:44] And to see him now. I mean, it must must be, you know, quite embarrassing
[00:13:47] embarrassing for him for everyone everyone in his team putting all
[00:13:50] all of that work in. And then you're you're seeing the party and also
[00:13:53] also the superPACs and the supporters supporters all just taking their
[00:13:56] their money away from you and saying saying it's over now. Of course it's
[00:14:00] it's not over till it's over. But
[00:14:01] But still it's quite the indicator. I think one of the points points that you just made, Bernie,
[00:14:05] Bernie, that's important is the question question of candidate quality. I
[00:14:08] I remember having this conversation conversation so often in 2022. If
[00:14:11] If you remember President Trump, Trump, there was at that point a
[00:14:14] a somewhat disgraced former president. president. Many Republicans didn't didn't want to be seen around him
[00:14:18] him because of the January 6th riot riot on the Capitol. And he put his
[00:14:21] his endorsement behind a number of of candidates who didn't perform
[00:14:24] perform well in the mid-terms. Think Think of Herschel Walker in Georgia.
[00:14:27] Georgia. And the point there was
[00:14:29] was that it was the candidates themselves themselves who were not strong. And
[00:14:32] And that was one of the reasons Republicans Republicans couldn't win those races.
[00:14:36] races. Well, fast forward to this this year and you're seeing that
[00:14:38] that same point being made. Even Even if President Trump can be seen
[00:14:42] seen in some races as a drag on the
[00:14:45] the party because of his unpopularity, unpopularity, the war in Iran, the
[00:14:48] the economy, affordability, all of of these issues we've been talking
[00:14:51] talking about week in, week out. out. It is particular candidates
[00:14:54] candidates themselves who also have have not been able to kind of punch
[00:14:57] punch above their weight. And I'm
[00:14:59] I'm thinking of Ken Paxton in Texas, Texas, who obviously, as I keep saying,
[00:15:02] saying, is someone who is impeached impeached by his own party in Texas. Texas. And, you know, that tells
[00:15:06] tells you kind of all you need to to know about what a difficult path
[00:15:10] path he's had, let's say, to come come to being the Republican nominee
[00:15:13] nominee there. But that question question of the individual candidates
[00:15:16] candidates and how strong they are are really going to play out quite quite big. I think the Paxton example
[00:15:20] example is quite interesting too, too, because I mean, in retrospect,
[00:15:24] retrospect, I think a lot of Republicans Republicans will be wondering, you you know, why President Trump ended
[00:15:27] ended up supporting him when he has has so much obvious baggage about,
[00:15:31] about, you know, his personal life, life, the impeachment. I mean, he's
[00:15:34] he's at best, you know, considered considered by many to be a very,
[00:15:37] very, very imperfect candidate. And And against him you have Talarico Talarico who's kind of, you know,
[00:15:41] know, kind of a rising star within within the Democratic Party and coming
[00:15:44] coming at it from quite an interesting interesting different perspective
[00:15:47] perspective in a way that seems to to be speaking to a lot of people.
[00:15:49] people. I think it's, you know, if
[00:15:52] if Talarico were to win that race, race, that's a huge defeat for the
[00:15:55] the party and for President Trump.
[00:15:56] Trump. Exactly. And I think the issue