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[00:00:13] Live from Washington. This is
[00:00:16] BBC News. The bloodshed in Ukraine
[00:00:18] Ukraine continues. Three dead in
[00:00:21] in this Russian strike, while President
[00:00:23] President Zelensky says Russia struck struck energy facilities after President
[00:00:26] President Trump's announcement of of an energy ceasefire. President
[00:00:30] President Zelensky welcomes Donald Donald Trump's announcement, but
[00:00:33] but Moscow has yet to comment. Another
[00:00:36] Another strike hits Riyadh airport
[00:00:38] airport in Saudi Arabia a day after
[00:00:40] after 13 people were killed and hundreds
[00:00:43] hundreds wounded in a Houthi attack. attack. And it was a frosty reception
[00:00:46] reception in Liverpool. But Manchester Manchester City secure a win in their
[00:00:49] their first match since being found
[00:00:51] found guilty of breaching all financial
[00:00:55] financial rules. Hi, I'm Helena Humphrey,
[00:01:05] Humphrey, good to have you with us. us. Ukraine is accusing Russia of
[00:01:09] of ongoing deadly attacks despite despite a so-called energy ceasefire
[00:01:13] ceasefire proposed by President Trump. Trump. President Zelensky says Russia
[00:01:16] Russia struck power plants following following the announcement and has
[00:01:19] has continued to strike civilian civilian areas. This footage shows
[00:01:23] shows damage from an industrial site site near Kyiv, while on Sunday President
[00:01:26] President Trump posted this claiming claiming the two sides agreed to
[00:01:29] to stop attacks on energy facilities facilities effective immediately.
[00:01:33] immediately. But the Kremlin has has yet to comment. President Zelensky
[00:01:36] Zelensky said the announcement was, was, quote, news to him but that
[00:01:39] that Ukraine would support a ceasefire
[00:01:42] ceasefire if Russia sticks to the the terms both UK and Canada have
[00:01:45] have since affirmed support for a a sustained energy cease fire, and
[00:01:49] and I've been speaking to Dan Johnson, Johnson, our Ukraine correspondent,
[00:01:53] correspondent, about the reaction reaction from Ukrainians to Trump's
[00:01:55] Trump's cease fire declaration. Yeah,
[00:01:58] Yeah, this did seem to take Ukrainians Ukrainians by surprise this afternoon
[00:02:02] afternoon when Donald Trump posted posted on Truth Social that an energy
[00:02:05] energy cease fire was in immediate immediate force and that it had been
[00:02:09] been signed up to by both parties.
[00:02:11] parties. There was no immediate comment
[00:02:15] comment from the Ukrainians, but but President Zelensky then released released a statement saying that that this is what he had wanted so
[00:02:18] so that he would sign up to it even
[00:02:20] even though he was waiting for further
[00:02:25] further details from the Americans. Americans. The reports are that perhaps perhaps behind the scenes over the
[00:02:28] the past weekend this was being discussed discussed and that the Americans Americans may have actually been
[00:02:32] been threatening the Ukrainians that that if they didn't sign up to this,
[00:02:35] this, they may find that their weaponry weaponry and intelligence was cut.
[00:02:39] cut. So the Ukrainians may have felt felt under some pressure. But certainly
[00:02:41] certainly the way this was announced announced felt like the Ukrainians
[00:02:45] Ukrainians were not actually signed signed up to it. But this is what what they've been calling for. It's
[00:02:48] It's what they said they were ready ready for if Russia would respect respect it, that they would cease
[00:02:52] cease their attacks on Russian oil oil refineries. But what we haven't
[00:02:56] haven't had is any comment so far
[00:02:58] far from the Kremlin. And Ukraine Ukraine is already accusing the Russians
[00:03:02] Russians of breaching this energy energy cease fire because we've seen
[00:03:05] seen an attack on a power station station in Kharkiv less than two
[00:03:08] two hours after Donald Trump made made this announcement. President
[00:03:11] President Trump has starkly criticised criticised the Ukrainian president.
[00:03:14] president. When you speak to Ukrainians, Ukrainians, how do they feel about
[00:03:17] about that? Are they worried about
[00:03:20] about US support slipping away? Yeah,
[00:03:24] Yeah, it's been a really tricky weekend
[00:03:26] weekend of bitter, fractious U. S
[00:03:28] S Ukraine relations with Donald Trump
[00:03:30] Trump calling for a new president
[00:03:33] president and for elections. And And Volodymyr Zelensky saying that
[00:03:36] that President Trump was being weak weak because of the deal that he'd he'd done with Vladimir Putin to
[00:03:40] to allow Russia to export diesel
[00:03:42] diesel on the open market. Once again,
[00:03:44] again, Ukrainians tend to rally behind behind their president whenever there's
[00:03:48] there's that sort of slapdown from from the US that's what we saw the
[00:03:52] the last time Donald Trump tore into into President Zelensky. Although
[00:03:55] Although there have been questions questions about his approach, the the sort of targets that he's chosen,
[00:03:58] chosen, the strategy that he's adopted
[00:04:01] adopted during this war, that sort sort of criticism from the American
[00:04:04] American President tends to unite unite people behind their president.
[00:04:08] president. The question now amongst amongst Ukrainians is whether this
[00:04:11] this is for real, whether this is is a ceasefire that will have any
[00:04:15] any impact in the real world. The The evidence from across Ukraine
[00:04:18] Ukraine this evening is perhaps not not because they've seen a continuation
[00:04:21] continuation of Russian attacks on on energy infrastructure and other
[00:04:24] other targets too. And even if this this is respected by Russia, no one
[00:04:28] one is expecting that this will bring
[00:04:30] bring an end to the war in entirety. entirety. There are plenty of other
[00:04:34] other targets that Russia could choose choose to fire its missiles and drones
[00:04:37] drones at. So although Ukrainians Ukrainians may be hoping that this
[00:04:40] this brings some relief in terms terms of their electricity supplies
[00:04:43] supplies and the power that they they need to get them through the the winter, they are still aware
[00:04:46] aware that Russia has all sorts of of ways of doing damage right across
[00:04:50] across Ukraine. Dan Johnson reporting reporting there. Now, all of this
[00:04:54] this comes just days after Donald Donald Trump announced a deal with
[00:04:57] with Russia to allow diesel imports imports into the United States, a
[00:05:00] a deal that sparked criticism from from European leaders. British Defence
[00:05:03] Defence Secretary Wes Streeting told
[00:05:05] told the BBC, quote, we stand with
[00:05:08] with Ukraine and condemned the US's US's deal with the Kremlin. Don't
[00:05:11] Don't support that decision. As the the Prime Minister set out, we are
[00:05:15] are strengthening sanctions against against Russia. So is the President President wrong? Well, look, I think
[00:05:19] think the way I have interpreted interpreted what President Trump
[00:05:21] Trump has done is very much in the the context of the US mid-term elections
[00:05:25] elections that are taking place and and the inevitable pressure that
[00:05:28] that all of us are feeling at the the moment to try and ease the cost
[00:05:31] cost of living. I've been speaking speaking to Lesia Vasylenko, a Ukrainian
[00:05:35] Ukrainian MP from part of Zelensky's Zelensky's coalition in Kyiv. I asked
[00:05:39] asked her how Ukraine is reacting
[00:05:41] reacting to this declared
[00:05:45] ceasefire. I don't think there's there's going to be anything coming
[00:05:47] coming out of the ceasefire for the
[00:05:50] the reason. The main reason being
[00:05:53] being that Ukraine was not part of
[00:05:55] of the deal making of the negotiations
[00:05:58] negotiations around the ceasefire. ceasefire. This information just
[00:06:02] just came through social media from
[00:06:04] from President Trump and the reaction reaction of President Zelensky was,
[00:06:07] was, as you correctly said, that that it came as a complete surprise
[00:06:10] surprise to him. It came as a complete complete surprise to Ukrainian people
[00:06:14] people as well. The relationship
[00:06:17] relationship between President Trump Trump and President Zelensky appears
[00:06:20] appears to be strained again. What's
[00:06:23] What's your assessment of where things things stand right now? Is it as
[00:06:26] as bad as what we saw after that
[00:06:29] that difficult Oval Office
[00:06:34] meeting? The relationship is very very difficult with the United States
[00:06:37] States since President Trump came
[00:06:40] came into office, into power. You
[00:06:43] You have seen that the supplies,
[00:06:46] supplies, the military supplies to
[00:06:48] to Ukraine have dwindled since then.
[00:06:52] then. We have had an intensification intensification of Russia's attacks.
[00:06:55] attacks. Russia seems to think that
[00:06:59] that they can go unpunished for continuously
[00:07:01] continuously bombing Ukrainian civilian civilian infrastructure instead of
[00:07:04] of putting pressure on Putin, President
[00:07:08] President Trump continuously tries tries to put pressure in every way
[00:07:11] way he can on President Zelensky
[00:07:14] Zelensky to cease and to the demands
[00:07:17] demands of Vladimir Putin, which which is kind of ridiculous because
[00:07:20] because it really should be the other other way around. What we are witnessing
[00:07:24] witnessing here in Ukraine, even
[00:07:26] even after this announcement of the
[00:07:29] the so-called energy ceasefire, is is more attacks in Kyiv. I have counted
[00:07:32] counted at least three air raids
[00:07:34] raids since the announcement of the
[00:07:36] the ceasefire. I'm sure that down
[00:07:39] down east and southeast Ukraine have
[00:07:41] have it even worse. The truth is
[00:07:44] is that Russia has a strategy to
[00:07:47] to make Ukrainian cities unliveable. unliveable. By the time winter comes.
[00:07:50] comes. So not even through winter, winter, but even by the time that
[00:07:54] that winter arrives. So as of 30th
[00:07:57] 30th September, they have started
[00:07:59] started bombing precision bombing bombing Ukrainian energy infrastructure.
[00:08:02] infrastructure. So power lines, power
[00:08:05] power distribution grids, the heating heating system, the water system
[00:08:09] system are all under constant attack
[00:08:11] attack from Russian missiles, drones
[00:08:14] drones and where it is possible closer closer to the border, glide bombs
[00:08:18] bombs and artillery. Leslie, are are you concerned that the relationship
[00:08:21] relationship with the United States States could deteriorate further?
[00:08:23] further? There's been reporting today today from the Financial Times that
[00:08:27] that the US has threatened to block
[00:08:29] block arms for Ukraine over attacks attacks on Russian refineries. Have
[00:08:33] Have you heard that? Are you concerned
[00:08:36] concerned about it? There is great
[00:08:38] great concern. I mean, we still view
[00:08:41] view the United States as well as
[00:08:43] as all other Nato member states as
[00:08:45] as key allies, strategic allies for
[00:08:47] for Ukraine, the United States has
[00:08:49] has been playing a key role in maintaining
[00:08:53] maintaining democracy across the the world. As things stand, we would
[00:08:57] would really appreciate the United United States providing air defence
[00:09:00] defence for Ukraine, in particular
[00:09:03] particular Patriot missiles, which
[00:09:06] which the supplies are nearly zero
[00:09:09] zero in Ukraine. We look to the United
[00:09:12] United States for further defence
[00:09:15] defence partnerships and for weapon
[00:09:17] weapon deliveries. However, for some
[00:09:20] some time now, these weapon deliveries deliveries have been unsteady if
[00:09:24] if available at all, and it has become
[00:09:26] become increasingly difficult even even for our European partners for
[00:09:30] for the EU, mainly to buy, to buy,
[00:09:33] buy, not even to receive for Ukraine,
[00:09:35] Ukraine, but to buy for Ukraine. Ukraine. Weapons and weapon systems
[00:09:38] systems from the United States. All All of this is making defence of
[00:09:42] of Ukrainian civilians more and more
[00:09:44] more difficult. And at this point,
[00:09:47] point, as we speak, the only reliable
[00:09:49] reliable defence that we have is
[00:09:51] is using our own long range strike
[00:09:55] strike weapons to hit targets inside inside of Russia. And by targets
[00:09:58] targets I mean the very sources that
[00:10:01] that fuel Russia's war economy and
[00:10:04] and that make Russia's continued continued war of aggression possible.
[00:10:07] possible. And you've got President President Trump, for example, saying
[00:10:10] saying that he believes that Ukraine
[00:10:12] Ukraine needs a new president. You
[00:10:16] You are a lawyer. There are barriers
[00:10:18] barriers to that, aren't there. To
[00:10:21] To hold an election in Ukraine. We
[00:10:24] We would need to be in peace time time conditions. Ukraine's constitution
[00:10:28] constitution is no different from from the constitution of many other
[00:10:31] other countries across the world, world, and it prohibits any type
[00:10:34] type of elections during martial martial law. And Ukraine has been
[00:10:37] been in martial law conditions since
[00:10:42] since the 24th of February 2022. 2022. Now President Zelensky has
[00:10:46] has also said that should there be
[00:10:48] be a ceasefire, a full ceasefire
[00:10:52] ceasefire for two months, 60 days,
[00:10:54] days, then preparations for elections
[00:10:57] elections could be on the way. But,
[00:11:01] But, again, in my opinion, being being a Ukrainian living through
[00:11:05] through sometimes 20 hour air raids
[00:11:07] raids in Kyiv, I think it's impossible
[00:11:09] impossible for Russia to maintain maintain a ceasefire even for one
[00:11:13] one day, let alone for 60 days needed
[00:11:16] needed to prepare the country to to start preparing the country for
[00:11:19] for an election process. Well, now
[00:11:21] now to Saudi Arabia, where the international
[00:11:23] international airport in Riyadh remains remains closed after again coming
[00:11:27] coming under attack. Saudi officials officials say that a projectile hit
[00:11:30] hit a passenger hall on Sunday, sparking sparking a fire and causing injuries.
[00:11:34] injuries. A short time later. Yemen's
[00:11:35] Yemen's Houthi movement claimed responsibility
[00:11:38] responsibility for Saturday's strike strike on that same airport. That
[00:11:41] That attack killed 13 people, marking marking the deadliest single attack
[00:11:45] attack on a Gulf country since the
[00:11:47] the start of the US-Iran war. No
[00:11:50] No flights are going in or out of of Riyadh. This is a live illustration
[00:11:54] illustration of air traffic largely largely avoiding the Saudi capital,
[00:11:57] capital, which usually handles more more than 100,000 passengers each
[00:12:00] each day. Joe Inwood reports. May
[00:12:04] May I have your attention, please?
[00:12:09] please? Chaos at one. Of Saudi Arabia's
[00:12:12] Arabia's most important airports. airports. Inside the terminal, the
[00:12:15] the damage is clear. The result of
[00:12:17] of a missile strike. More than 300
[00:12:20] 300 people injured. Emergency services services are said to be overwhelmed.
[00:12:24] overwhelmed. Tonight. The Houthis Houthis have claimed responsibility
[00:12:27] responsibility not just for this this attack but for this one. Last
[00:12:31] Last Thursday at the same airport airport as well as one at a state
[00:12:34] state run gas plant. With the help
[00:12:37] help of Almighty God, the armed forces
[00:12:39] forces carried out for qualitative qualitative operations over the past
[00:12:42] past 24 hours using a number of ballistic
[00:12:45] ballistic and winged missiles as as well as drones. The first operation
[00:12:48] operation targeted King Khalid Airport Airport in Riyadh. The second operation
[00:12:52] operation targeted an Aramco gas
[00:12:54] gas plant. The Iran-backed group
[00:12:57] group control large parts of Yemen.
[00:12:59] Yemen. Saudi Arabia's strategically strategically significant southern southern neighbour for more than
[00:13:03] than a decade, the Houthis have been been involved in a brutal civil war
[00:13:07] war with the internationally recognised recognised government, which has
[00:13:09] has Saudi backing. Now, for the last last couple of years there's been
[00:13:12] been an uneasy truce. But that was
[00:13:15] was shattered in recent months. The The Houthis made lightning advances
[00:13:19] advances down the Red Sea coast last last month, giving them an even greater
[00:13:23] greater ability to threaten shipping shipping in the Red Sea. Now Saudi
[00:13:26] Saudi Arabia responded with air strikes. strikes. And with the government
[00:13:30] government recently retook some territory.
[00:13:32] territory. The Houthi response to
[00:13:34] to that could be seen at Riyadh airport
[00:13:37] airport last night from the US President.
[00:13:40] President. Condemnation of the attack, attack, but no promise of support.
[00:13:42] support. I think it's terrible, terrible.
[00:13:45] terrible. Without being able Esme Esme Stallard southwest. Well they're
[00:13:49] they're able to defend the Saudis Saudis are good fighters. But I think
[00:13:52] think the attack was a terrible thing. thing. This attack was one of the
[00:13:56] the most severe on Saudi soil in
[00:13:59] in over a decade. Some of those killed killed are now being identified.
[00:14:03] identified. One of them, Buthaina Buthaina Awada, was a mother of four
[00:14:06] four from Syria. She was a victim victim of a conflict she had no part
[00:14:10] part in, but that seems to be escalating
[00:14:12] escalating dangerously. Joe Inwood,
[00:14:15] Inwood, BBC News. Meanwhile, inside
[00:14:17] inside Yemen, Houthi run television television claims to show buildings
[00:14:21] buildings damaged by a Saudi strike strike in the capital Sanaa. The
[00:14:24] The BBC has not independently verified
[00:14:26] verified that footage. All of this this as Yemen's internal civil war
[00:14:30] war rages on. Yemen's government government forces say that these
[00:14:32] these pictures show military operations operations against the Houthis east
[00:14:36] east of Sanaa. It is extremely difficult difficult for journalists to get
[00:14:39] get access to Yemen, but the BBC BBC is Orla Guerin has been allowed
[00:14:43] allowed in and is currently in the the southern port city of Aden. She
[00:14:46] She walks us through the implications implications of the Houthis deadly
[00:14:50] deadly attack inside Saudi Arabia.
[00:14:52] Arabia. The conflicts in this region
[00:14:54] region are intertwined, and one of of those conflicts is certainly now
[00:14:57] now getting worse. The attack on
[00:14:59] on the airport in Riyadh was a major
[00:15:02] major strike by the Houthis. They They managed to target a building
[00:15:06] building that was not only economically economically important to Saudi Arabia,
[00:15:09] Arabia, but also a very politically politically sensitive site. Now,
[00:15:13] Now, since the strike on Saturday, Saturday, the Houthis have struck
[00:15:16] struck again. We know they have hit hit a building at the airport. We
[00:15:19] We don't yet know if there are any
[00:15:21] any fatalities. The Houthis are saying saying that Saudi airspace remains
[00:15:25] remains a target. They are telling telling airlines to stay away and
[00:15:29] and say that that warning should should be heeded. Now Saudi Arabia,
[00:15:33] Arabia, for its part, has pledged pledged a decisive retaliation. Now
[00:15:36] Now we don't know what that will will be. But people here in the region
[00:15:40] region are certainly bracing. And And there is also a dimension to
[00:15:43] to all of this that stretches far
[00:15:45] far beyond the Middle East. This
[00:15:48] This renewed increased insecurity
[00:15:51] insecurity is going to drive concerns
[00:15:53] concerns about the flow of global global exports from this region.
[00:15:57] region. The Houthis have taken control control of the strategic strait of
[00:16:00] of Bab al-Mandab. That's already already a problem. So all of this
[00:16:04] this will exacerbate concerns about about global supplies and fears about
[00:16:07] about prices. So the impact will
[00:16:10] will be felt well beyond this region.
[00:16:12] region. Well, joining me live now now is Ambassador Michael Ratney,
[00:16:16] Ratney, former US ambassador to Saudi
[00:16:20] Saudi Arabia from 2023 to 2025. Ambassador, Ambassador, good to have you with with us. I understand that you've
[00:16:24] you've been trying to get out of of Saudi Arabia for a number of days.
[00:16:27] days. You eventually left via Bahrain. Bahrain. What was that experience
[00:16:30] experience like? What does that tell tell us about the situation on the
[00:16:33] the ground? You know, when I got got to Saudi Arabia last week, it
[00:16:37] it felt pretty normal. But it was was just the next night as some friends
[00:16:40] friends were arriving at the airport airport that there was a Houthi strike
[00:16:43] strike seemingly intercepted at that that point. But it was pretty unnerving.
[00:16:46] unnerving. We were planning on leaving
[00:16:49] leaving on Friday via the airport. airport. In the event the airport
[00:16:52] airport was actually fine on Friday, Friday, but we left via Bahrain and
[00:16:55] and sure enough, Saturday was this
[00:16:58] this last atrocious attack again, again, repeated another one today.
[00:17:01] today. I think it's really unnerving unnerving for people because in so
[00:17:04] so many ways Riyadh feels relatively relatively unscathed. And I think
[00:17:08] think this is the Houthis sending sending a message that it's not just
[00:17:11] just military targets, it's not just just energy infrastructure. They're
[00:17:14] They're going to strike at civilian
[00:17:15] civilian airports in a way that could
[00:17:18] could kill a lot of people. So what
[00:17:19] what do you think we will see in
[00:17:22] in response now from Saudi Arabia?
[00:17:24] Arabia? It's vowed some kind of retaliation. retaliation. What kind of form do
[00:17:28] do you think that could take? I do
[00:17:30] do think the Saudis are going to to try to escalate air strikes against
[00:17:34] against Houthi targets. They had had been doing some damage to the
[00:17:37] the Houthis, who had taken last month. month. These positions along the
[00:17:40] the Bab el Mandeb and the Saudis Saudis felt it necessary just as as a matter of their national security,
[00:17:44] security, to push them back. It threatened threatened commercial navigation.
[00:17:48] navigation. They were targeting Saudi Saudi oil tankers. This was the Houthi
[00:17:52] Houthi retaliation. And it puts the the Saudis in a real difficult situation
[00:17:55] situation because as a matter of of national security, I think they
[00:17:59] they have to retaliate. They have have to push back. They have to try
[00:18:01] try to degrade the Houthis ability ability to do this damage. On the
[00:18:04] the other hand, they know the Houthis Houthis can respond asymmetrically
[00:18:07] asymmetrically with these airport airport attacks that disincentivize disincentivize tourists and investors
[00:18:11] investors and others from visiting visiting the country. It's really really kind of a no win proposition
[00:18:15] proposition for the Saudi government government right now. Ambassador, Ambassador, in the last few hours,
[00:18:18] hours, we heard that Saudi Arabia's
[00:18:20] Arabia's foreign minister had spoken
[00:18:23] spoken to his Iranian counterpart counterpart about efforts to lower
[00:18:26] lower tensions. How do you read that? that? Do you take that at face value
[00:18:30] value when, of course, Iran also
[00:18:32] also backs the Houthis? I do think
[00:18:35] think that eventually some kind of of a de-escalation of this conflict
[00:18:38] conflict with the Houthis is probably
[00:18:39] probably going to start with a de-escalation de-escalation with the Iranians.
[00:18:43] Iranians. It's still sort of unfinished unfinished business at this point
[00:18:46] point with both an Iranian and a
[00:18:47] a US blockade on the Strait of Hormuz.
[00:18:50] Hormuz. I think the Saudis and other other GCC states are probably going
[00:18:53] going to want to come to some arrangement arrangement with the Iranians that
[00:18:57] that regularises that it might be be politically difficult, but at
[00:19:00] at least it will be practically a
[00:19:02] a solution that will allow oil tankers tankers to continue moving. I think
[00:19:06] think with the de-escalation with with the Iranians, that sets the
[00:19:09] the stage for some sort of de-escalation de-escalation with the Houthis. The
[00:19:12] The Houthis are in some sense a proxy proxy of the Iranians, but they're
[00:19:15] they're also quite independent minded. minded. So it's not a sure thing.
[00:19:18] thing. But I do think it has to start start with diplomacy with the Iranians.
[00:19:21] Iranians. Depending on how all of of this goes. Do you see a prospect
[00:19:25] prospect of Western nations getting getting involved when President Trump
[00:19:28] Trump has said the US is weighing weighing its options? The UK also
[00:19:31] also looking at what kind of assistance
[00:19:34] assistance they could offer. As I I understand it, the UK has been
[00:19:38] been offering assistance. I think think it's possible as well that
[00:19:41] that the US has been offering some some behind the scenes support, short
[00:19:44] short of what the Saudis really want, want, which is support on air strikes
[00:19:48] strikes against Houthi targets. I I think the Saudis will be reaching
[00:19:51] reaching out to all of their partners. partners. I think it's disappointing disappointing and frustrating for
[00:19:54] for them that the US., at a moment moment when they're being the Saudis
[00:19:57] Saudis being attacked by their mortal
[00:20:00] mortal enemies, President Trump seems seems disinclined to get further further involved. So I do think the
[00:20:04] the Saudis will be doing what they they can with Europeans in particular
[00:20:07] particular to try to get more help. help. We've got about a minute left,
[00:20:10] left, but I do just want to ask you you about comments from Senator Murphy
[00:20:13] Murphy saying that he thinks this this is spiralling out of control.
[00:20:17] control. Do you think this situation
[00:20:19] situation gets worse before it potentially
[00:20:21] potentially gets better? I think think that's entirely possible. I
[00:20:25] I think this current conflict with with the Houthis is the inevitable,
[00:20:28] inevitable, the predictable outgrowth outgrowth of a war that the Saudis Saudis really none of the states
[00:20:32] states of the Gulf ever wanted. They
[00:20:34] They all knew this was an entirely entirely predictable outgrowth of
[00:20:37] of it. And now they're grappling grappling with it. I do think it
[00:20:41] it gets uglier before it really de-escalates. de-escalates. Ambassador Michael
[00:20:44] Michael Ratney, former US ambassador
[00:20:46] ambassador to Saudi Arabia from 2023
[00:20:50] 2023 to 2025. Very good to have your your thoughts. Thanks for being with
[00:20:52] with us. Any time. At least 139 people
[00:20:57] people have died, including 15 children,
[00:21:00] children, after a boat sank off the the shores of Djibouti. That's according
[00:21:03] according to the International Organisation Organisation for migration. Survivors
[00:21:06] Survivors said the vessel, which which was carrying around 350 people
[00:21:10] people from Djibouti to Yemen, capsized
[00:21:13] capsized north of the town of Obock
[00:21:16] Obock overnight on the 8th of October. October. 82 people all Ethiopian
[00:21:19] Ethiopian nationals, were rescued. rescued. It is among the deadliest deadliest shipwrecks recorded on
[00:21:23] on a route used by migrants from
[00:21:25] from the Horn of Africa trying to
[00:21:28] to reach the Gulf states. Now a flash
[00:21:30] flash flood left at least five people
[00:21:32] people missing in Nepal. More than
[00:21:35] than 140 houses were fully or partially partially damaged, and bridges and
[00:21:38] and hydro power infrastructure was
[00:21:40] was swept away. More than 90 people, people, including nine foreigners,
[00:21:44] foreigners, have been rescued so so far. And a disaster management
[00:21:47] management official said that SMS SMS alerts helped avert a major loss
[00:21:50] loss of life. The country remains
[00:21:52] remains on high alert after devastating devastating floods swept thousands
[00:21:56] thousands of people away seven weeks
[00:21:58] weeks ago, triggered by a glacier
[00:22:01] glacier collapse along the border border with Tibet. Pope Leo made
[00:22:05] made a surprise health announcement announcement on Sunday, saying that
[00:22:08] that he'll undergo surgery to remove
[00:22:10] remove a small lung nodule. The Pope Pope said that the nodule, which
[00:22:13] which usually refers to a lump or or tissue growth, was detected at
[00:22:17] at a very early stage during a routine
[00:22:20] routine medical check-up. The Vatican Vatican said the operation is scheduled
[00:22:23] scheduled for the first days of this
[00:22:26] this week, and the estimated post-operative post-operative recovery time will
[00:22:28] will be about one week. Well, the
[00:22:31] the 71-year-old pontiff has previously previously known as no previously
[00:22:35] previously known health problems. problems. Our Rome correspondent correspondent Sarah Rainsford has
[00:22:38] has more. Yeah. As you say, a real real surprise, of course, for everybody everybody who gathered here on Saint
[00:22:42] Saint Peter's Square at midday today. today. That's when Catholics come
[00:22:45] come here to see the Pope, to have have a blessing by the Pope from
[00:22:49] from the balcony here. After that,
[00:22:51] that, though, the Pope then delivered delivered this announcement, as you
[00:22:54] you say, a big shock for those who who were listening. He said that
[00:22:57] that he had had medical checks and and that doctors had discovered a
[00:23:00] a nodule on his lung. Now, he said, said, as he put it, that this had
[00:23:03] had been detected at a very early
[00:23:06] early stage and was well localised, localised, but that doctors had advised
[00:23:09] advised him he should have it removed. removed. So he is going to have surgery surgery and that will take place
[00:23:13] place in the next few days here in in Rome. The Vatican is not giving
[00:23:16] giving many more details than that. that. Just saying that it will take
[00:23:19] take him about a week to recover recover from the surgery itself. itself. We do know that nodules like
[00:23:23] like this are relatively common and and that usually they're not cancerous.
[00:23:27] cancerous. But certainly I think think Catholics around the world world are concerned are watching
[00:23:31] watching this news very closely. closely. I think in particular, because
[00:23:34] because this is a relatively young young Pope. He's in his early 70s. 70s. He goes to the gym. He likes
[00:23:38] likes playing tennis. He's always always been thought of as fit and
[00:23:41] and as healthy. And this is the first first health scare that he's had
[00:23:45] had since he was elected last year. year. One encouraging note, I think,
[00:23:48] think, was perhaps his tone as he he made that announcement. He seemed
[00:23:51] seemed very calm. He even smiled smiled a couple of times during the
[00:23:54] the statement and also he mentioned mentioned today a trip that's coming
[00:23:57] coming up in November to Peru, the the place where he was a missionary
[00:23:59] missionary for many years and a bishop. bishop. He has talked about that
[00:24:03] that with the suggestion that that that trip should still go ahead in
[00:24:06] in November. So perhaps encouraging encouraging news for Catholics even
[00:24:09] even as they absorb this. Pretty Pretty surprising and for some shocking
[00:24:12] shocking news. Football now a Manchester. Manchester. City have won their first
[00:24:16] first match since being found guilty
[00:24:17] guilty of all charges related to to breaches of the financial rules
[00:24:21] rules governing the game. Now the the team were met by boos in Liverpool
[00:24:24] Liverpool this afternoon. Take a a listen to this crowd reaction from
[00:24:27] from Sky sports match coverage. All
[00:24:31] All the venues. And it was city who
[00:24:36] who took the victory, securing a a three zero win. The club maintained
[00:24:39] maintained they haven't broken any any rules and have appealed against against the verdict. Well, security
[00:24:43] security was stepped up around Anfield Anfield ahead of the arrival of the
[00:24:46] the City team bus, which was also also greeted by boos and chants.
[00:24:50] chants. Our sports editor Dan Roan Roan sent this update after the final
[00:24:54] final whistle. Now city have won won convincingly here today. I think
[00:24:57] think that is the result that many many fans, not just Liverpool fans fans but supporters of other clubs
[00:25:01] clubs would have feared because it it does mean that their perfect start start to the season continues that
[00:25:05] that six wins out of six. There are
[00:25:07] are three points clear at the top top of the table, nine points ahead
[00:25:11] ahead of Liverpool. But how much much does it actually mean that?
[00:25:15] that? That is a hard question to to answer. If city go on and win
[00:25:18] win or even just if they're in the the title race, how much pride can
[00:25:21] can they take? How much excitement excitement can it spark when you
[00:25:25] you know, when everybody knows that that there is a very real prospect prospect that they could be handed
[00:25:29] handed a huge points deduction that that would condemn them to relegation
[00:25:32] relegation or even expulsion from from the league? And until we know
[00:25:36] know what that punishment is and and until we know the outcome of of any appeal, we know that city
[00:25:39] city have appealed, but we don't don't know how long that will take
[00:25:41] take or whether indeed they'll then then go beyond football jurisdiction
[00:25:45] jurisdiction and take it to the courts.
[00:25:48] courts. Then this sense of limbo limbo will hang over this campaign.
[00:25:52] campaign. And what many will fear
[00:25:53] fear is future seasons. If it's not
[00:25:57] not concluded before the start of of next season. Dan Roan reporting
[00:26:00] reporting there. Do stay with us
[00:26:02] us here on BBC News. I'll see you you soon.
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