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[00:00:00] Forum. We'll continue watching that. that. Geeta Guru-Murthy will be with
[00:00:02] with you for the next few hours here
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[00:00:16] BBC News. Blackouts reported across across Ukraine as power plants were
[00:00:20] were attacked. Despite President President Trump's claims that an
[00:00:23] an energy ceasefire had been agreed, agreed, Saudi officials say one person
[00:00:27] person has been killed and nearly nearly a dozen others injured in
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[00:00:33] by the Iran-backed Houthi group in in Yemen, a BBC investigation finds.
[00:00:37] finds. The world's biggest accountancy accountancy firm helped in falsifying
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[00:00:48] tax. Big night planned.
[00:00:53] Night planned. And Robert Patterson tells the BBC why he took took on the role of a journalist journalist who helps expose child
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[00:01:08] Primetime. Hello, I'm Geeta Guru-Murthy. Guru-Murthy. Thanks for being with with us. Ukraine says Russia has
[00:01:12] has continued carrying out deadly deadly attacks despite a so-called
[00:01:15] so-called energy ceasefire proposed proposed by President Trump. President
[00:01:19] President Zelensky said Russia hit hit power plants and civilian areas
[00:01:22] areas following the announcement. announcement. This footage shows shows damage from an industrial site
[00:01:26] site near Kyiv. Yesterday, President President Trump posted this, claiming claiming the two sides had agreed
[00:01:30] agreed to stop attacks on energy energy facilities effective immediately.
[00:01:33] immediately. But the Kremlin has has yet to comment. Mr Zelensky said
[00:01:37] said the announcement was news to to him, but that Ukraine would support
[00:01:40] support a ceasefire if Russia sticks sticks to the terms. Relations between
[00:01:44] between Mr Zelensky and Mr Trump Trump have deteriorated as the US
[00:01:47] US President tries to get the cost cost of oil and diesel down before
[00:01:51] before the US mid-term elections. elections. Dan Johnson reports from
[00:01:54] from Kyiv. On the edge of Kharkiv.
[00:01:58] Kharkiv. Last night. A reminder Russia
[00:02:02] Russia has not stopped attacking
[00:02:06] attacking Ukraine. This woman was
[00:02:08] was filming after the sirens. Asking
[00:02:10] Asking where would be hit? She was
[00:02:13] was lucky to survive a strike on on a shop that killed three people
[00:02:17] people and injured more than 20.
[00:02:21] 20. This just hours after Donald
[00:02:22] Donald Trump announced his partial
[00:02:25] partial truce on Truth Social. He He wrote effective immediately, there
[00:02:29] there is an energy ceasefire in the
[00:02:31] the war between Russia and Ukraine.
[00:02:33] Ukraine. Both parties have agreed.
[00:02:35] agreed. Do not break it. Ukraine's
[00:02:40] Ukraine's been targeting Russian Russian oil refineries in response
[00:02:42] response to attacks on its own power power grid. Ukraine said it was ready
[00:02:46] ready to cease if Russia did the the same. But Donald Trump's announcement
[00:02:50] announcement appeared to come as
[00:02:51] as a surprise to President Zelensky.
[00:02:55] Zelensky. Ukraine is ready to refrain
[00:02:57] refrain from striking Russia's energy energy infrastructure, and we expect
[00:03:01] expect Russia to show the same readiness readiness and honour. The agreement
[00:03:05] agreement reached with the President President of the United States. He'd
[00:03:09] He'd better damn well stop. It was
[00:03:11] was a tense weekend of fractured fractured US Ukraine relations. I
[00:03:15] I suggest they get a new leader who
[00:03:17] who can make a deal. The row started
[00:03:20] started when Donald Trump lifted lifted export restrictions on Russian
[00:03:23] Russian diesel. Many believe to ease
[00:03:25] ease fuel prices driven up by the
[00:03:28] the war in Iran. In Kyiv, the streets
[00:03:33] streets have fallen dark and quiet
[00:03:35] quiet as its power network has been
[00:03:37] been pounded. Many people here are are without light, heat or water
[00:03:41] water because electricity is needed needed to pump it. Ukrainians were
[00:03:44] were braced for a very difficult difficult few months ahead into the
[00:03:47] the winter, so there's a lot riding riding on this ceasefire. But even
[00:03:51] even if it holds, the war is not
[00:03:54] not over. That was hammered home
[00:03:58] home with more drones heading for
[00:04:00] for the capital. And within two hours
[00:04:05] hours this was Kharkiv's main power power station, leaving Ukrainians
[00:04:09] Ukrainians questioning what impact impact this ceasefire will have.
[00:04:12] have. Dan Johnson, BBC News in Kyiv. Let us take you to Warsaw
[00:04:18] Kyiv. Let us take you to Warsaw because because the security forum is being being held there this week. And Donald
[00:04:22] Donald Tusk, the Polish Prime Minister, Minister, is speaking. Let's listen
[00:04:24] listen in. De-Escalation, seizing
[00:04:26] seizing fire or peace? They are only only interested in domination. This
[00:04:30] This is why I will go to Brussels
[00:04:32] Brussels to convince all my European
[00:04:36] European partners to consider seriously seriously increasing sanctions against
[00:04:40] against Russia. We must not. And
[00:04:45] And we will not send. And Poland
[00:04:46] Poland will. Guard that. We will
[00:04:51] will send no signal that would show
[00:04:54] show that Poland is leaning to this
[00:05:01] this policy of scaring Europe and
[00:05:02] and the West against supporting Ukraine.
[00:05:07] Ukraine. Ukraine will not be broken
[00:05:09] broken and will not yield to fear.
[00:05:11] fear. Poland will not be broken and and will not yield to fear. Europe.
[00:05:15] Europe. The entire free world will
[00:05:18] will not be broken and will not yield
[00:05:20] yield to fear. This signal should
[00:05:22] should be sent to the to all capitals
[00:05:25] capitals across the world from Warsaw Warsaw to Washington. Our answer.
[00:05:29] answer. I'm sure over the next months
[00:05:32] months will be full solidarity and
[00:05:36] and determination of the entire free
[00:05:39] free world of all European, of all
[00:05:42] all world leaders. Thank you very
[00:05:45] very much. Donald Tusk there. And
[00:05:50] And we will be bringing you more more on the security forum. We're
[00:05:54] We're expecting to hear from President
[00:05:56] President Zelensky also shortly.
[00:06:00] shortly. Let us to go to Ukraine.
[00:06:03] Ukraine. OK. Let's just actually actually go back to Warsaw. That
[00:06:06] That security forum ongoing after
[00:06:08] after a very fraught couple of days
[00:06:11] days between the US and Ukrainian Ukrainian leaders. Let us listen
[00:06:15] listen in there. Now as President
[00:06:17] President Zelensky is due to appear
[00:06:19] appear soon. The floor is yours.
[00:06:27] yours. Distinguished Prime. And join
[00:06:34] join us dear Katarzyna dear Zbigniew
[00:06:41] Zbigniew dear Kasha, our moderator
[00:06:45] moderator and all the participants participants of the forum. Dear ladies
[00:06:49] ladies and gentlemen, first of all
[00:06:50] all I want to thank you all for your
[00:06:54] your attention to Ukraine. Our people,
[00:06:57] people, for your support for Poland's
[00:07:01] Poland's support and for understanding
[00:07:03] understanding how much security matters,
[00:07:05] matters, especially now when we are
[00:07:08] are facing another wave of escalation
[00:07:11] escalation from Russia and when we
[00:07:14] we have real tools to reduce this
[00:07:19] this escalation. Yesterday we were
[00:07:25] were all horribly surprised that
[00:07:27] that after a sudden but very important
[00:07:31] important post from the American
[00:07:33] American President saying that he
[00:07:35] he had secured an energy ceasefire
[00:07:38] ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine,
[00:07:41] Ukraine, that at that very moment,
[00:07:42] moment, Russian jet powered drones
[00:07:45] drones were flying in our skies,
[00:07:48] skies, large parts of Kyiv had no
[00:07:52] no water supplies and electricity
[00:07:56] electricity and repair crews were
[00:07:58] were working to restore power after
[00:08:01] after a strike on a power plant and
[00:08:06] and immediately after the post, Russia
[00:08:08] Russia launched a targeted strike
[00:08:10] strike on a power plant in Kharkiv
[00:08:15] Kharkiv causing further damage to
[00:08:18] to our energy system. It was clear
[00:08:21] clear that Putin does not read true
[00:08:27] true social and his cheeky drones drones follow a different set of
[00:08:31] of instructions. But this post is
[00:08:34] is actually about something that
[00:08:37] that affects the lives of millions
[00:08:39] millions of people, and that makes
[00:08:42] makes it very, very important. First
[00:08:45] First of all, in Ukraine, because
[00:08:46] because Russia is trying to use another
[00:08:49] another winter, another period of
[00:08:51] of cold weather against our country,
[00:08:54] country, taking our power plants,
[00:08:56] plants, power grids and all parts
[00:08:59] parts of our energy infrastructure
[00:09:02] infrastructure every single day.
[00:09:05] day. But this also concerns Russia
[00:09:10] Russia and not only its oil refining
[00:09:12] refining industry. This those refineries
[00:09:16] refineries that Putin is so shamelessly
[00:09:19] shamelessly trying to sell to the
[00:09:21] the world at the solution claiming
[00:09:24] claiming they can somehow make up
[00:09:27] up for the losses in global oil supplies
[00:09:30] supplies caused by the crisis in
[00:09:33] in the Strait of Hormuz and across
[00:09:35] across the Middle East this winter.
[00:09:38] winter. If Russia does not agree
[00:09:41] agree to an energy ceasefire, we
[00:09:44] we will respond. So that is why yesterday
[00:09:49] yesterday the American president's
[00:09:51] president's post drew real interest
[00:09:53] interest and real hope that the energy
[00:09:56] energy ceasefire could actually work. work. We in Ukraine immediately supported
[00:10:00] supported this idea, as we did, by
[00:10:02] by the way, as we did more than once
[00:10:05] once for months when we ourselves
[00:10:08] ourselves put forward the idea of
[00:10:10] of the energy ceasefire, we agreed
[00:10:12] agreed to an energy cease fire. The
[00:10:16] The American team knows very well
[00:10:18] well what this means for us. We do
[00:10:23] do not have major or reserves large
[00:10:27] large oil export capacity or dozens
[00:10:30] dozens of oil refineries. We import
[00:10:33] import large amounts of diesel and
[00:10:35] and other oil products and I am grateful
[00:10:38] grateful to all our neighbours, especially
[00:10:41] especially Poland, for helping us
[00:10:44] us with our energy needs and also also Norway. Thank you so much. For
[00:10:48] For US, the key issue is electricity.
[00:10:53] electricity. Russia started its campaign
[00:10:55] campaign of strikes against our power
[00:10:57] power generation and power grid years
[00:11:00] years ago, and every winter, including
[00:11:03] including this one, Russians try
[00:11:05] try to make these attacks even more
[00:11:08] more intense. We have power cuts
[00:11:12] cuts every single day for Russia.
[00:11:14] Russia. Of course. Gasoline shortages
[00:11:19] shortages and burning oil refineries
[00:11:22] refineries because of our strikes strikes in response are painful.
[00:11:26] painful. And these are not the same
[00:11:27] same values. These are not the same
[00:11:31] same volumes that could be lost because because of the crisis in arm. But
[00:11:35] But if Russia wants us to stop our
[00:11:39] our long range strikes against its
[00:11:41] its oil refineries and oil exports,
[00:11:44] exports, then Russia must stop its
[00:11:48] its strikes against our energy system
[00:11:52] system and critical infrastructure
[00:11:54] infrastructure and stop killing our
[00:11:56] our people. This is only fair. And
[00:12:00] And I hear from leaders across Europe Europe and around the world that
[00:12:04] that they support us on this. In
[00:12:09] In Ukraine we have just one oil refinery
[00:12:12] refinery and it was badly damaged damaged by Russian strikes long,
[00:12:16] long, long ago. So importing oil
[00:12:21] oil products is simply our reality.
[00:12:23] reality. And that is why our offer
[00:12:25] offer is honest and clear. We are
[00:12:27] are ready to respect an energy ceasefire
[00:12:30] ceasefire if Russia is ready to do
[00:12:32] do the same. We agree if they agree
[00:12:39] agree and we have already shown that
[00:12:41] that we mean it. Last night Russian
[00:12:46] Russian oil refineries were not burning.
[00:12:50] burning. But at midnight Russian
[00:12:52] Russian jet struck a gas production
[00:12:55] production facility in Ukraine and
[00:12:58] and there was also a Russian strike
[00:13:01] strike on an ordinary gas station
[00:13:04] station involving several drones drones and repair crews are still
[00:13:08] still working to fix the damage from
[00:13:11] from yesterday's attacks. So there
[00:13:15] there were Russian violations of
[00:13:17] of the energy ceasefire announced
[00:13:20] announced by by President Trump and
[00:13:23] and all morning today, more and more
[00:13:24] more Russian jet powered ships have
[00:13:27] have continued to enter our skies
[00:13:30] skies over Kyiv and other Ukrainian
[00:13:33] Ukrainian cities. We shoot down many
[00:13:35] many of them. And if we didn't, that
[00:13:40] that would clearly be even more damage
[00:13:42] damage to our energy infrastructure.
[00:13:44] infrastructure. So for now this is
[00:13:48] is Putin's answer to Trump. Russian
[00:13:51] Russian attacks. But we are waiting.
[00:13:55] waiting. We are waiting for the details details of the conversation between
[00:13:59] between the Americans and the Russians, Russians, and we are waiting to see
[00:14:02] see what specific steps the Americans
[00:14:04] Americans are ready to take this
[00:14:07] this energy ceasefire can work and
[00:14:09] and it can become a major step toward
[00:14:11] toward ending the war. If the Americans
[00:14:16] Americans truly step in now and make
[00:14:19] make sure Russia respects the ceasefire
[00:14:26] ceasefire now, it is still the middle middle of the night in Washington.
[00:14:29] Washington. But we know that people
[00:14:32] people there wake up early and they
[00:14:35] they will immediately see what we
[00:14:36] we are seeing here. So let me say
[00:14:39] say once again, especially for them,
[00:14:43] them, we are grateful to America
[00:14:46] America and we support the idea of
[00:14:48] of an energy ceasefire. And now Russia
[00:14:52] Russia must must also show that it
[00:14:56] it agrees to this energy ceasefire.
[00:14:58] ceasefire. And if the Americans need
[00:15:00] need it, we are ready to sign these
[00:15:04] these guarantees to make sure they
[00:15:07] they can be trusted. And it's important
[00:15:09] important that we all see this situation
[00:15:12] situation in the same way that we
[00:15:15] we get the priorities right. No one
[00:15:18] one in Europe is the source of destabilisation
[00:15:22] destabilisation for war. No one in
[00:15:24] in Europe is rejecting peace or wants
[00:15:27] wants an endless war. No one in Europe
[00:15:30] Europe wants anything bad for America.
[00:15:34] America. Quite the opposite. Everyone
[00:15:36] Everyone wants the closest and friendliest
[00:15:39] friendliest possible relations with
[00:15:42] with America. Everyone. Everyone
[00:15:45] Everyone in Europe. But not Russia.
[00:15:47] Russia. By the way, when we started
[00:15:50] started responding to Russia's operation
[00:15:54] operation against our data centres
[00:15:56] centres and when our strikes reached
[00:15:59] reached Yandex data centres, it suddenly
[00:16:03] suddenly became a little easier to
[00:16:05] to breathe on many social media platforms.
[00:16:09] platforms. A lot of people and a
[00:16:11] a lot of people noticed it. And there
[00:16:14] there was less hate, less division
[00:16:18] division and fewer provocations because
[00:16:21] because there were fewer bots. And
[00:16:25] And it's pretty clear where those
[00:16:28] those boats were coming from and
[00:16:31] and if they disappeared when Yandex
[00:16:33] Yandex went offline. This proves
[00:16:37] proves again and again that Europe
[00:16:38] Europe is not the source of the problems.
[00:16:41] problems. Europe is not the one making
[00:16:44] making everything more difficult. difficult. Most importantly, we need
[00:16:48] need people in America every morning morning when the day in Europe is
[00:16:52] is already moving toward evening
[00:16:55] evening to really see what is happening,
[00:16:58] happening, to see the truth. We want
[00:17:02] want peace and we are ready to work
[00:17:04] work together with America and with
[00:17:07] with everyone else to end this war
[00:17:08] war and also to end the war in the
[00:17:11] the Middle East which is causing
[00:17:13] causing so many global problems,
[00:17:16] problems, including including problems
[00:17:18] problems with prices and to solve
[00:17:21] solve any other problem we face together.
[00:17:23] together. And we must deal with all
[00:17:25] all these challenges together, Europe,
[00:17:28] Europe, together with America. And
[00:17:30] And we need to feel that same unity
[00:17:36] unity from America. America is without without question the strongest country
[00:17:39] country in the world, and it's important
[00:17:41] important that America uses its strengths
[00:17:44] strengths to make the world a better
[00:17:45] better place. Dear friends, over
[00:17:49] over these past weeks we have been
[00:17:52] been in almost constant contact with
[00:17:55] with Donald. I mean, Prime Minister
[00:17:58] Minister Tusk. And we have also been
[00:18:00] been in touch with Jonas and our
[00:18:05] our other real, real friends and and partners. And we are preparing
[00:18:09] preparing joint steps and decisions decisions cause it's important that
[00:18:13] that we all speak with one voice.
[00:18:16] voice. Now we need American pressure
[00:18:18] pressure on Russia, not sanctions
[00:18:21] sanctions relief, not concessions, concessions, but real pressure so
[00:18:25] so that we can achieve at least what
[00:18:28] what the American President. Posted
[00:18:30] Posted about yesterday and an energy
[00:18:33] energy ceasefire. Please speak about
[00:18:36] about this. Make it clear that Ukraine Ukraine is ready for a ceasefire
[00:18:39] ceasefire and Russia must be ready
[00:18:41] ready to. Steps toward peace must
[00:18:44] must be exactly like this. Honest
[00:18:47] Honest with both sides doing the the same and helping millions of
[00:18:51] of people. Second, please stand with
[00:18:54] with Ukraine every single day. Right
[00:18:55] Right now we need your support every
[00:18:59] every day. Munitions for our F-16s
[00:19:03] F-16s that shoot down Russian jet
[00:19:06] jet power interceptors for our air
[00:19:10] air defence funding to produce our
[00:19:12] our own weapons and drones, political political support for Ukraine and
[00:19:15] and global pressure on Russia above
[00:19:19] above all through sanctions. And And I know that Poland and Norway
[00:19:23] Norway and the Baltic states and
[00:19:24] and other friends have a very firm,
[00:19:27] firm, firm position on this based
[00:19:29] based on a strong principles. And And this is important for Europe
[00:19:33] Europe as a whole. Sure, this will
[00:19:36] will be a very active week in Europe
[00:19:39] Europe and we will have our meetings
[00:19:41] meetings and you will have your decisions
[00:19:44] decisions at the EU level. And here
[00:19:47] here is what matters. Please do not
[00:19:50] not allow any pauses in Ukraine's Ukraine's European integration. We
[00:19:54] We are expecting to open two classes
[00:19:57] classes in our EU accession negotiations
[00:20:00] negotiations and we must open two two more by the end of this year.
[00:20:03] year. This is not just about politics.
[00:20:05] politics. It's also in many ways
[00:20:08] ways about moral, about motivation.
[00:20:11] motivation. Our people need to feel
[00:20:14] feel that despite all the difficulties,
[00:20:17] difficulties, Ukraine's European
[00:20:19] European future is health and we
[00:20:21] we are ready to work on all the difficult
[00:20:25] difficult issues. But we must remember
[00:20:27] remember that the biggest challenge
[00:20:29] challenge for all of us is Russia
[00:20:33] Russia and it is Ukraine that is
[00:20:36] is giving the strongest response
[00:20:39] response to this challenge and it
[00:20:42] it is our co-operation between Ukraine
[00:20:44] Ukraine and all of you that gives
[00:20:48] gives Ukrainians the greatest support
[00:20:50] support and motivation. Please do
[00:20:52] do not allow any pauses in this work
[00:20:58] work force. Please do not underestimate
[00:21:01] underestimate the threats to your
[00:21:04] your own countries. There is no such
[00:21:06] such thing as a small act of destabilisation.
[00:21:10] destabilisation. Our intelligence intelligence services know that Russia
[00:21:13] Russia is planning many, many aggressive
[00:21:16] aggressive hybrid operations against
[00:21:18] against Europe against different different countries, against your
[00:21:22] your countries. Paying attention
[00:21:27] attention to every situation that
[00:21:28] that could become a problem and stay
[00:21:32] stay united in your defence. Unity Unity at home is always important
[00:21:36] important when facing threats from
[00:21:39] from outside. Fifth place. Be sure
[00:21:42] sure that Ukraine is always ready
[00:21:44] ready to stand shoulder to shoulder
[00:21:47] shoulder with you and we always welcome
[00:21:49] welcome joint projects with Poland
[00:21:52] Poland and we need shared achievements achievements and real results together.
[00:21:56] together. And we need joint production
[00:21:59] production and the best way to move
[00:22:03] move forward is through a drone deal
[00:22:08] deal between our countries and other other similar agreements that make
[00:22:11] make both Ukraine and Poland stronger.
[00:22:15] stronger. Our experience in defending defending against threats and our
[00:22:19] our technological progress can help
[00:22:21] help strengthen your security and
[00:22:24] and your capabilities can help strengthen
[00:22:26] strengthen ours. The most important
[00:22:29] important thing is that we stay together
[00:22:34] together and that we make sure. Let
[00:22:37] Let us just bring in Dan who's been
[00:22:40] been watching this, our correspondent correspondent in Kyiv as President
[00:22:43] President Zelensky issues a very
[00:22:45] very firm and clear set of statements.
[00:22:47] statements. Dan, clearly directed directed at the US on this question
[00:22:51] question of an energy ceasefire, ceasefire, saying there to the world
[00:22:55] world and to the US leadership that that Ukraine wants an energy ceasefire,
[00:22:59] ceasefire, it is willing to sign sign an agreement, but Russia has
[00:23:02] has to agree to. Yeah. Zelensky reiterating
[00:23:08] reiterating that Ukraine will sign sign up to this, that it will abide
[00:23:11] abide by it, but making clear that that Russia needs to do the same.
[00:23:14] same. And he needs to see that evidence evidence from Russia. And he laid
[00:23:17] laid bare the level of attacks that that had continued in the initial
[00:23:21] initial hours of this cease fire, fire, having been announced by Donald
[00:23:24] Donald Trump. Zelensky said that that Putin clearly does not read
[00:23:28] read Truth Social and that his Shaheed
[00:23:30] Shaheed drones were following different different instructions, so there
[00:23:34] there scepticism there. There is is doubt, but there is hope that
[00:23:37] that this can deliver. I think Zelensky Zelensky wants to present himself
[00:23:41] himself as the pragmatist, the honest honest broker here. And although
[00:23:44] although this started with a row row about how Donald Trump was apparently
[00:23:48] apparently favouring the Russians Russians and Vladimir Putin and making
[00:23:51] making deals and moves that were
[00:23:53] were to Russia's benefit, Zelensky
[00:23:55] Zelensky sees a possible favourable favourable outcome for Ukraine in
[00:23:59] in this. On the first hand, getting
[00:24:01] getting an energy ceasefire which which would protect the electricity
[00:24:04] electricity network of this country country and enable Ukrainians to
[00:24:07] to get through this winter without without the level of discomfort that
[00:24:10] that he laid bare. They'd suffered suffered increasingly over the last
[00:24:13] last few years. As this war has gone
[00:24:15] gone on, but also that if that energy
[00:24:18] energy cease can be implemented and and holds that some trust may be
[00:24:21] be built and that there may potentially potentially be possible steps towards
[00:24:25] towards further de-escalation and
[00:24:26] and even ending the conflict. So
[00:24:30] So a lot of confusion, a lot still
[00:24:32] still to play out. Still no word
[00:24:34] word directly from the Kremlin, but but President Zelensky making clear
[00:24:37] clear there that he hopes this is is a positive step. And we'll just
[00:24:40] just keep an eye down as you speak
[00:24:41] speak on that Warsaw security forum
[00:24:45] forum as President Zelensky has been been addressing it, likely to take
[00:24:48] take questions to you shortly. You're You're there on the ground in Kyiv.
[00:24:52] Kyiv. Just tell us what the extent
[00:24:53] extent of the damage has been and and how is it affecting, you know,
[00:24:57] know, normal everyday life for people
[00:25:00] people there. In terms of the energy
[00:25:05] energy infrastructure, the electricity electricity network, it's had a quite
[00:25:09] quite severe impact for people in in Kyiv and in other cities already
[00:25:13] already before the temperatures even even dropped, before we're even really
[00:25:16] really into winter, people were already
[00:25:18] already experiencing scheduled power power outages to try to preserve
[00:25:21] preserve electricity. So for 3 or or 4 hours a day, some people have
[00:25:25] have been without electricity for for the past week. They've been in in darkness. They've been without
[00:25:28] without heat. It also means large large numbers of people have been
[00:25:31] been without water because they rely
[00:25:33] rely on power to pump the water to
[00:25:35] to the top of apartment blocks. So So people were already suffering
[00:25:39] suffering at home and out in the the streets as well. There are dark
[00:25:43] dark streets at night with very little
[00:25:45] little light. There are transport transport disruptions because the
[00:25:48] the metro trains have stopped. The The escalators don't run. The trolley
[00:25:51] trolley buses have ground to a halt
[00:25:53] halt in the street. So very early early on in this autumn, people were
[00:25:57] were already witnessing just what
[00:25:59] what the impact of Russia's energy energy attacks could be, and they
[00:26:03] they were braced for more of that that through the winter. Dan Johnson Johnson in Kyiv, thanks very much
[00:26:07] much indeed for bringing us up to to date there. As President Zelensky
[00:26:10] Zelensky continues his address. This
[00:26:13] This is BBC News. Let us go back
[00:26:20] back to that Warsaw security forum forum and listen to President Zelensky
[00:26:24] Zelensky there, who I gather is still still speaking. And we can see then
[00:26:27] then in your screens I might be taking
[00:26:28] taking questions. Changing the Constitution
[00:26:32] Constitution to. Reach the elections
[00:26:35] elections very quickly. As of now,
[00:26:38] now, it's very difficult because because of the security level in
[00:26:42] in our cities and villages and communities.
[00:26:44] communities. And it's also impossible impossible now because of our military.
[00:26:47] military. More than a million people
[00:26:52] people who must vote. But how will will they vote while being on the
[00:26:55] the front? And we've discussed this
[00:26:58] this on many occasions together with
[00:27:00] with our American partners. But if
[00:27:05] if the American President has such
[00:27:07] such a strong desire and after all,
[00:27:10] all, he. Has made a deal with the
[00:27:14] the Russians, he lifted sanctions
[00:27:17] sanctions on them. Then he can influence
[00:27:19] influence the leader of the Kremlin Kremlin to have a full cease fire.
[00:27:23] fire. And if we have at least a 60 60 day full ceasefire, then I'll
[00:27:27] I'll be ready to work on holding
[00:27:29] holding elections. On the ceasefire.
[00:27:31] ceasefire. You mentioned that President President Putin doesn't read true
[00:27:35] true social. Everyone else does.
[00:27:37] does. Were you caught out by this
[00:27:39] this energy ceasefire? Did you know
[00:27:41] know about it beforehand? No, we
[00:27:51] we did not know about that. We've
[00:27:54] We've learned that from the media media as well. That the President
[00:27:58] President of the United States has
[00:28:02] has secured an energy ceasefire. ceasefire. I thought perhaps their
[00:28:05] their team reached out to the Russians.
[00:28:07] Russians. I think they are in constant
[00:28:13] constant contact in a certain format.
[00:28:16] format. So the format on how they
[00:28:19] they can arrange such a ceasefire ceasefire with the Russians is unimportant
[00:28:22] unimportant for us. For US, it's it's important that people have electricity
[00:28:25] electricity supply. That power is
[00:28:29] is there, that water supply is functioning.
[00:28:32] functioning. That is our main objective.
[00:28:34] objective. So we do support it. But
[00:28:37] But I have not heard approval of
[00:28:41] of this proposal from the Russian Russian side. And this looks strange
[00:28:45] strange and I have not heard their
[00:28:47] their rhetorics about this. We have
[00:28:50] have not seen that they support this
[00:28:52] this cease fire anywhere. But we
[00:28:55] we have not witnessed that in their their deeds as well because they
[00:28:58] they have hit a number of our energy
[00:29:00] energy facilities. But we hope that
[00:29:05] that President Trump, who has our our support of this energy ceasefire,
[00:29:08] ceasefire, that he will be able to
[00:29:10] to make Putin agree to this proposal.
[00:29:14] proposal. Can you have a US President President who supports an energy
[00:29:17] energy ceasefire, who supports Ukraine Ukraine but also does a deal with
[00:29:21] with the Kremlin to get diesel? Once
[00:29:32] Once again, I reiterate that. I think
[00:29:38] think that these arrangements they
[00:29:40] they are not right. I do not think
[00:29:43] think that the volumes that Russia
[00:29:44] Russia is to offer that it will have
[00:29:47] have an influence on the market.
[00:29:49] market. What we've heard was 300
[00:29:54] 300 to 500,000 tonnes a month. Think
[00:29:58] Think of that while the global consumption
[00:30:01] consumption is 120 million a month
[00:30:04] month I don't think that this will will have a tangible impact if somebody
[00:30:07] somebody thinks otherwise, let them
[00:30:09] them think so. So I believe that
[00:30:12] that there are different rationales
[00:30:14] rationales behind this decision.
[00:30:17] decision. If so, why? Why doesn't doesn't America then conclude a diesel
[00:30:21] diesel deal with Ukraine? Ukraine.
[00:30:24] Ukraine. Let's propose a diesel deal
[00:30:27] deal with Ukraine. We are influencing
[00:30:29] influencing whether these ships are
[00:30:32] are moving. We are. We define whether
[00:30:34] whether the refineries are working.
[00:30:37] working. Let's do this for us. What's What's important is electricity.
[00:30:41] electricity. If they can guarantee guarantee the protection of our energy
[00:30:44] energy grid, we will not respond respond to their diesel infrastructure.
[00:30:47] infrastructure. For US, electricity electricity means first and foremost
[00:30:50] foremost helping people power supply
[00:30:52] supply for people. But it's also
[00:30:55] also helping Europe because everybody
[00:30:58] everybody knows that we are