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[00:00:11] Live from London. This is BBC
[00:00:13] News. In a warning to Russia, Nato's Nato's top military commander says
[00:00:17] says the alliance would block blunt
[00:00:19] blunt and break any attack on its
[00:00:21] its members as fears grow over the
[00:00:23] the threat from Moscow. Meantime, Meantime, Ukraine's President Volodymyr
[00:00:27] Volodymyr Zelensky says Russia hit hit a power plant in Ukraine immediately
[00:00:30] immediately after Donald Trump announced announced what he called an energy
[00:00:34] energy ceasefire. It was clear that
[00:00:37] that Putin does not read Truth Social
[00:00:42] Social and his cheeky drones follow
[00:00:43] follow a different set of instructions.
[00:00:47] instructions. Saudi officials say say one person has been killed and
[00:00:50] and nearly a dozen others injured injured in the latest attack on Riyadh's
[00:00:54] Riyadh's international airport by by the Iran backed Houthi group in
[00:00:57] in Yemen. Thousands of people march
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[00:01:29] flashpoint. Hello, I'm Annita McVeigh
[00:01:31] McVeigh and welcome to BBC News Now.
[00:01:34] Now. Nato's top commander has bluntly bluntly warned Russia that his forces
[00:01:38] forces could destroy anything and and everything involved in a potential
[00:01:41] potential attack if Moscow chose chose to launch an assault on Alliance
[00:01:45] Alliance territory. Speaking in the
[00:01:46] the last hour at the Warsaw Security Security Forum, Alexis Green said
[00:01:50] said Nato was first and foremost foremost a defensive alliance. But
[00:01:53] But he said it would block blunt
[00:01:55] blunt and break any attack against against a member state, adding that
[00:01:58] that the alliance could deal with with more than one conflict at a
[00:02:02] a time. We had a very useful from
[00:02:05] from a military observation standpoint.
[00:02:08] standpoint. Look at this when we we had conflict ongoing in the Middle
[00:02:11] Middle East at the same time as the the conflict in Ukraine, and it gave
[00:02:13] gave us real insight on what the the stresses on our warfighting system
[00:02:17] system would be and how we needed needed to adapt it. So some of the
[00:02:19] the things in the theory of victory, victory, like depending on large large amounts of affordable mass
[00:02:23] mass to pair with our high end precision precision weapons, are part of the the things that we've learned here
[00:02:27] here that we are going to need to to use kind of a high, low mix of
[00:02:30] of capabilities in order to achieve achieve the things that we need to
[00:02:33] to do. And Nato Supreme Allied Commander
[00:02:35] Commander for Europe also gave this this warning to Russia. Whenever
[00:02:39] Whenever the nation that's come under under attack is ready and has met
[00:02:42] met their legal requirements to attribute attribute the attack. We ought to
[00:02:45] to do that. That lets the Russians Russians know a that we're onto them.
[00:02:48] them. It lets them know that their their network wasn't as unattributable unattributable as they thought it
[00:02:51] it was. They think they can get away away with this because we won't be be able to figure out who it is.
[00:02:55] is. We ought to tell them. We can can figure out who it is. The second second thing that I mentioned is
[00:02:59] is one of the main objectives is is to break the West's will to continue
[00:03:02] continue flowing support to Ukraine.
[00:03:04] Ukraine. So one of the best responses responses is to prove that false
[00:03:08] false to them. And when they come come in, when one of these attack
[00:03:11] attack happens, respond by increasing increasing your contributions to to the Perl programme or respond
[00:03:15] respond with a donation of air defence defence interceptors and show that
[00:03:18] that the Russian premise for their their activity is false and you're
[00:03:21] you're only strengthening our resolve. resolve. Meanwhile, on the ground
[00:03:24] ground in Ukraine, President Volodymyr Volodymyr Zelensky says Russia hit
[00:03:27] hit a power plant in Ukraine immediately immediately after Donald Trump announced
[00:03:30] announced what he called an energy energy ceasefire. There were also
[00:03:33] also deadly strikes on Kharkiv, the
[00:03:36] the country's second largest city, city, while the Ukrainian president
[00:03:39] president said he is willing to back back the energy truce, the Kremlin's
[00:03:42] Kremlin's response was less positive. positive. Russia said it would only
[00:03:45] only back a one day ceasefire the
[00:03:47] the day Ukraine holds elections. elections. President Zelensky appealed
[00:03:50] appealed to the US in his speech
[00:03:52] speech at the Warsaw Security Forum.
[00:03:55] Forum. And with us now in the studio studio is Francis GA from BBC Monitoring's
[00:03:59] Monitoring's Russia team. Francis, Francis, hello to you. It may be
[00:04:02] be too soon to hear any response response from Russia to what the
[00:04:06] the general had to say in Warsaw. Warsaw. Have you had anything have
[00:04:09] have you seen anything so far in in terms of commentary on that coming
[00:04:12] coming out of Russia? Well, no, it's it's too soon, as you say. But I
[00:04:16] I think what we can expect to hear hear is pretty predictable. We heard
[00:04:19] heard Putin last week in a major
[00:04:22] major speech and question and answer answer session in Moscow talking
[00:04:25] talking about the threat from the
[00:04:26] the West to Kaliningrad in particular. particular. And he said, well, you
[00:04:30] you know, we have no intention of of attacking anyone in Europe, but
[00:04:34] but we will use all means at our our disposal to defend ourselves. ourselves. And I think this is the
[00:04:38] the line we can expect to hear that that Russia has no intention of attacking
[00:04:41] attacking anyone. This is something something Putin and other senior
[00:04:43] senior officials have repeated time time after time. Of course, you look
[00:04:46] look at Ukraine and the evidence
[00:04:49] evidence is to the contrary. But
[00:04:52] But Russia will continue to deny
[00:04:54] deny this. You know, as long as these
[00:04:58] these accusations keep coming Moscow's Moscow's way. And the general was
[00:05:01] was also talking not only about any
[00:05:04] any territorial attack, but also also about hybrid attacks as well.
[00:05:06] well. And there have been lots of of warnings from European leaders
[00:05:09] leaders from all over Europe about about the threat from Russia in terms
[00:05:12] terms of these hybrid hybrid attacks, attacks, such as cyber attacks. So
[00:05:15] So do you think we're going to see see any further response or will
[00:05:18] will will Moscow try to play this this down and remain pretty, pretty
[00:05:21] pretty quiet about all of this? Indeed Indeed you're right. These accusations
[00:05:25] accusations are really ramping up up from across Europe that Moscow
[00:05:28] Moscow is engaging in this kind of
[00:05:30] of covert activity against various various European states. But the
[00:05:34] the Kremlin has continued to deny deny any involvement in this. And
[00:05:36] And of course, I think this is part part of the reason why it's engaging
[00:05:40] engaging in these kinds of methods methods against the West is that
[00:05:43] that it allows it to distance itself
[00:05:45] itself and pretend that it has no no link to what's happening. And
[00:05:49] And then, of course, if we look at at those who are being accused of
[00:05:52] of carrying out these sabotage attacks,
[00:05:55] attacks, they are, you know, so-called
[00:05:58] so-called kind of. You know, low low level criminals and people that
[00:06:01] that the Kremlin is is recruiting recruiting via social media that
[00:06:04] that don't have any direct link to to the Kremlin but are enabling it
[00:06:08] it to carry out these methods. And And Frances, I know there has been
[00:06:12] been a response from the Kremlin, Kremlin, however, to President Trump's
[00:06:15] Trump's rather surprising, according according to President Zelensky and
[00:06:17] and probably to the Kremlin as well. well. Announcement of an energy cease
[00:06:21] cease fire. What have you heard? heard? Well, Dmitry Peskov, the Kremlin
[00:06:24] Kremlin spokesman today in his daily
[00:06:27] daily press conference with media
[00:06:29] media in Moscow, said that contacts contacts were ongoing. He refused
[00:06:32] refused to be drawn on whether any any kind of agreement had been reached.
[00:06:36] reached. It's also unclear whether whether this would extend merely
[00:06:38] merely to oil refineries or to all all kinds of energy infrastructure,
[00:06:42] infrastructure, and that detail is is important because Ukraine only only has a couple of oil refineries,
[00:06:46] refineries, both of which haven't haven't been operating for some time
[00:06:49] time now because of the war, whereas whereas of course, Russia, we know,
[00:06:51] know, has lots of them that are vulnerable
[00:06:54] vulnerable to these kind of attacks attacks and where Moscow has been
[00:06:57] been hurting Ukraine has been other other kinds of energy infrastructure,
[00:07:00] infrastructure, such as power stations. stations. We know overnight one in
[00:07:04] in Kharkiv was, was struck, for example. example. And in the past this is
[00:07:07] is of course not the first time that that Donald Trump has announced such
[00:07:10] such an initiative. In the past, past, the Kremlin has been quite
[00:07:13] quite reserved. It said. This is is a good idea. Back in September
[00:07:16] September it said this but then nothing nothing really much came of it. And
[00:07:19] And I think as we go into the winter, winter, the Kremlin knows that this
[00:07:22] this is the time when it can really really make Ukraine feel the pain
[00:07:24] pain and it's not really in its interests interests to stop these strikes.
[00:07:28] strikes. The only thing is that the the Kremlin wants to keep Donald
[00:07:31] Donald Trump onside, and so it's it's unlikely to publicly come out
[00:07:34] out and criticise the initiative. initiative. OK, Frances, thank you
[00:07:36] you very much for that. Frances Scar
[00:07:38] Scar from BBC Monitoring's Russia
[00:07:40] Russia team. And let's go now to
[00:07:43] to the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv. Our
[00:07:46] Our correspondent Dan Johnson is is there for us. Dan, I'm sure you've
[00:07:49] you've been listening to everything everything that President Zelensky
[00:07:51] Zelensky has had to say in his address
[00:07:54] address to the Warsaw Security Forum.
[00:07:56] Forum. You know, he's obviously looking
[00:07:58] looking for Russia to join him in
[00:08:00] in an energy cease fire, which he he called a surprise, a surprise
[00:08:04] surprise announcement from President President Trump. But does he really really hold out any hope that that
[00:08:08] that will happen? There is suspicion.
[00:08:13] suspicion. There is doubt that this this will actually bear fruit, that
[00:08:16] that it will hold in reality. But But that is what Ukrainians are hoping
[00:08:20] hoping because they need this so so much. They've already felt the
[00:08:22] the impact of power cuts here over over the past week or ten days. Some
[00:08:26] Some of that's been scheduled to
[00:08:27] to try to preserve energy. Some of
[00:08:30] of it has been genuine interruptions interruptions to the power supply,
[00:08:33] supply, which has left people in in the dark increasingly cold, some
[00:08:36] some of them without water because because they need electricity to
[00:08:39] to pump that water to the top of of their tower blocks to get it to
[00:08:42] to their homes. There's also been been disruption to public transport. transport. The metro trains have
[00:08:46] have come to a halt at times. The The trolley buses have had to be
[00:08:50] be dragged back to the depot by tow tow trucks because they've run short
[00:08:53] short of power. So everyone in Ukraine Ukraine knows how difficult the winter
[00:08:57] winter months could have been if
[00:08:59] if Russia continued attacking their their energy infrastructure. They've
[00:09:02] They've already felt the start of of that impact, but they are doubtful
[00:09:06] doubtful that this will hold in reality reality because there's been no official
[00:09:09] official confirmation from the Kremlin Kremlin that they've agreed to this. this. The only comment from Dmitry
[00:09:13] Dmitry Peskov, the spokesperson there, there, was that they had nothing nothing to say on it for now and
[00:09:17] and that Russia was working towards
[00:09:18] towards a lasting peace, not just just a ceasefire. Donald Trump also
[00:09:22] also announced something like this this around a month ago, saying that
[00:09:24] that both sides had agreed to stop stop hitting each other's energy
[00:09:28] energy infrastructure, only for Russia Russia to continue. So all sorts
[00:09:30] sorts of challenges and ways in which which this may not work, but I think
[00:09:33] think President Zelensky has seen seen a chance to seize the initiative
[00:09:36] initiative to look like the good good guy, to say that he's playing
[00:09:39] playing fair and prepared to abide abide by the terms of this deal that
[00:09:43] that Donald Trump has announced, announced, if not actually negotiated,
[00:09:45] negotiated, in hope that it will will make life easier for Ukrainians
[00:09:49] Ukrainians through the forthcoming forthcoming winter and that potentially, potentially, he said, it could lead
[00:09:53] lead to a de-escalation in the war. war. OK, Dan, thank you very much
[00:09:56] much for that. Dan Johnson in Kyiv. Kyiv. And let's cross to our correspondent
[00:10:00] correspondent Daniel Bush in Washington. Washington. Daniel, good to see you
[00:10:02] you as well. It was interesting listening listening to President Zelensky's
[00:10:05] Zelensky's speech. He was addressing addressing the audience there in
[00:10:08] in Warsaw, but he was clearly very
[00:10:10] very much talking to the US audience audience as well, saying, you know,
[00:10:13] know, I know it's early there, but but some people get up early essentially essentially saying, listen to me
[00:10:17] me and I'm looking at my notes. He He said. Europe is not the one making
[00:10:20] making everything more difficult. difficult. We need American pressure
[00:10:22] pressure on Russia, not sanctions sanctions relief, real pressure.
[00:10:26] pressure. What are the chances that that President Trump is going to
[00:10:28] to respond to that? Daniel? Well,
[00:10:32] Well, probably not very high. We We did see President Trump over the
[00:10:35] the weekend criticising Zelensky, Zelensky, saying that Ukraine needed needed a new leader to negotiate
[00:10:39] negotiate a deal. This is not a president
[00:10:42] president who has at times been willing willing to hear out Zelensky, often
[00:10:45] often blaming the Ukrainian president president for the war for an inability
[00:10:49] inability to reach a deal here. And
[00:10:51] And this was an effort by President President Zelensky to target Americans
[00:10:55] Americans and say at a moment where where President Trump is blaming
[00:10:58] blaming Ukraine for high diesel prices, prices, let's look at the bigger
[00:11:01] bigger picture here. The war in Iraq Iraq has driven up gas and diesel
[00:11:04] diesel prices. And for President President Trump's part, he is making
[00:11:07] making an effort here to cast a wide
[00:11:09] wide net of blame, if you will, to
[00:11:11] to try and tell American voters that
[00:11:13] that there are a lot of reasons why why gas prices are high. They're They're not his fault. They'll come
[00:11:17] come down soon. We've heard that that rhetoric often in this. In fact,
[00:11:20] fact, this cease fire and the deal deal that President Trump announced announced Friday with President Putin
[00:11:24] Putin to import Russian diesel is
[00:11:26] is all aimed at assuaging those concerns
[00:11:28] concerns from voters just a couple couple of weeks before the election.
[00:11:31] election. Will it work? Unclear. Unclear. Energy experts say that
[00:11:34] that gas and diesel prices won't won't likely come down, even with
[00:11:37] with new Russian oil. Russian diesel diesel flooding the US market won't
[00:11:41] won't come down before the mid-term mid-term elections, so President President Trump is grasping at straws
[00:11:45] straws here, trying to find some
[00:11:46] some way to argue to Americans to
[00:11:49] to keep Republicans in power, to
[00:11:51] to not worry about rising gas prices.
[00:11:53] prices. But polls show that Americans Americans are certainly very concerned
[00:11:57] concerned about that issue. And whether whether or not President Zelensky's
[00:11:59] Zelensky's message to them, to Americans Americans telling him to wake up
[00:12:03] up and look at what is happening happening will resonate is unclear.
[00:12:07] unclear. OK. Daniel Bush in Washington, Washington, thank you very much.
[00:12:10] much. And joining us now is Alexander Alexander al-Sharaa. He is the former
[00:12:14] former adviser to the Ministry of of Defence in Ukraine and is now
[00:12:17] now executive director of the centre
[00:12:19] centre for Defence Strategies. Alexander,
[00:12:22] Alexander, welcome to the programme. programme. And I'm guessing you are
[00:12:25] are not feeling an energy cease fire
[00:12:26] fire in Ukraine right now. Well,
[00:12:30] Well, yes for sure. Yesterday the the Russians targeted one of the
[00:12:34] the water pumping stations in Kyiv. Kyiv. So for the half of the day
[00:12:37] day they didn't have running water
[00:12:39] water in my apartment. And for several
[00:12:42] several weeks we have power cuts.
[00:12:44] cuts. We don't have electricity for
[00:12:46] for 3 or 4 hours a day. And the metro
[00:12:52] metro operation is disrupted. So So we need to find a way how to get.
[00:12:56] get. I live actually on the left left bank of the river, so I use
[00:13:00] use electric scooter to get to the
[00:13:02] the downtown to bypass the public public administration transportation.
[00:13:06] transportation. So yes, the Russians
[00:13:09] Russians are not stopping attacking attacking us for the simple reason
[00:13:12] reason they scale up production of of their missiles and drones. And
[00:13:16] And given that Mr Trump wasted huge huge amount of Patriot interceptors
[00:13:19] interceptors in Iran and is not providing providing Ukraine with any Patriot
[00:13:23] Patriot interceptors any more, the the Russians are able to use their
[00:13:26] their ballistic missiles to destroy destroy our critical infrastructure.
[00:13:29] infrastructure. And the most important important Putin. See Trump is an
[00:13:33] an ally to undermine the defence defence of Ukraine and try to solve
[00:13:37] solve the discord between the Europeans Europeans and Americans. And we know
[00:13:41] know that President Zelensky continues
[00:13:43] continues to develop his relationship, relationship, strong relationships
[00:13:46] relationships with allies in Europe Europe who are building up their
[00:13:50] their defence capabilities to help
[00:13:52] help Ukraine. But in that speech speech to the Warsaw security for
[00:13:55] for him, we for him, we saw him make
[00:13:58] make really direct appeals to America, America, to President Trump to put
[00:14:01] put real pressure, as he put it on
[00:14:04] on Russia. But so long as the diesel
[00:14:06] diesel deal between Russia and the
[00:14:08] the US is in place in advance of
[00:14:11] of the mid-term elections in America
[00:14:13] America in November, it seems unlikely unlikely that America is going to
[00:14:16] to do more on that. Would you agree?
[00:14:20] agree? Oh yes, I would agree. Since Since the beginning of this second
[00:14:23] second term of office, Mr Trump, Trump, he instructed his diplomats
[00:14:27] diplomats not to support even the
[00:14:29] the United Nations General Assembly Assembly resolution supporting Ukraine.
[00:14:33] Ukraine. The United States Permanent Permanent Representative abstained
[00:14:36] abstained from all those resolutions. resolutions. And we've seen how this
[00:14:39] this administration is trying to
[00:14:42] to erode the overall Western sanctions
[00:14:44] sanctions regime against Russia. Russia. And I believe there are some
[00:14:47] some shady deals being negotiated.
[00:14:50] negotiated. While Mr Kushner and
[00:14:51] and Witkoff are in Moscow, like selling
[00:14:55] selling assets of the Russian energy
[00:14:57] energy giant Lukoil to the American
[00:15:01] American owners close to the Trump Trump circle. So I believe that,
[00:15:03] that, you know, he is trying to make
[00:15:05] make a deal between Putin and himself
[00:15:10] himself enriching his circle and and disregard with the interests
[00:15:13] interests of Europe and that of Europe, Europe, because for obvious reasons,
[00:15:17] reasons, the fate of Ukraine and
[00:15:19] and how this war will end will shape
[00:15:22] shape the future security and prosperity prosperity of the continent. OK,
[00:15:26] OK, Alexander, thank you very much
[00:15:30] much for joining us. And we are back back after this short break. Do stay stay with us around the world and
[00:15:35] and across the UK.
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[00:16:41] Show on BBC News. Now to one of the
[00:16:48] the day's other main stories. Yemen's Yemen's Houthi rebels have renewed
[00:16:51] renewed their warnings against using using airports in Saudi Arabia. It
[00:16:54] It comes after two deadly strikes strikes on Riyadh's main international
[00:16:58] international airport in as many many days. Saudi officials say one
[00:17:01] one person was killed and 11 wounded
[00:17:03] wounded in an attack on King Khalid
[00:17:05] Khalid International Airport on Sunday, Sunday, the day before 13 people
[00:17:09] people were killed and more than than 300 injured in a missile strike.
[00:17:13] strike. The deadliest attack on Saudi Saudi soil in more than a decade.
[00:17:16] decade. The Houthis, who are backed backed by Iran, say they are targeting
[00:17:20] targeting Saudi Arabia over its support support for government forces in
[00:17:23] in Yemen's civil war. Muhammad Ali
[00:17:26] Ali Harris is the foreign editor editor of The National in Abu Dhabi.
[00:17:28] Dhabi. I asked him what these attacks
[00:17:30] attacks mean for Saudi Arabia. Well,
[00:17:33] Well, this is certainly turning into into a defining moment in the history
[00:17:36] history of Saudi Arabia and probably
[00:17:38] probably a turning point in GCC relations relations to the attack that killed
[00:17:42] killed 13 people on Saturday is the
[00:17:45] the biggest attack in Saudi Arabia Arabia since more than a decade when
[00:17:48] when Isis was claiming bombings in
[00:17:50] in the kingdom. It is also the largest
[00:17:52] largest attack by a foreign power power in from a foreign country against
[00:17:56] against Saudi Arabia. So there is is definitely a lot of pressure on
[00:17:59] on the Saudi crown prince, on the the Saudi government and on the Saudi
[00:18:02] Saudi army too. We've heard the Saudis
[00:18:05] Saudis speak up today and explain explain that Saudi Arabia is a very
[00:18:08] very vast country and you cannot cannot defend against every missile
[00:18:12] missile and every drone. And so even even if you protect the borders,
[00:18:16] borders, there are missiles that that cannot be intercepted at some
[00:18:19] some time. So the pressure is growing.
[00:18:23] growing. And as the attacks multiply, multiply, we will see more reaction
[00:18:26] reaction from the Saudis. And we we are expecting more action in Yemen.
[00:18:29] Yemen. They have started to claim
[00:18:33] claim operations against the Houthis. Houthis. Dozens of operations on on daily basis. But maybe in the
[00:18:36] the next few hours or the next few few days, we'll see more surgical
[00:18:39] surgical operations. The pressure pressure is growing. You say is the
[00:18:43] the Houthis confidence also growing?
[00:18:45] growing? Oh. Absolutely. Causing
[00:18:48] Causing a massive casualty incident
[00:18:51] incident in Saudi Arabia, forcing
[00:18:53] forcing the airport to close, attacking attacking other airports and oil
[00:18:57] oil facilities. This is definitely definitely something that the Houthis
[00:19:00] Houthis were seeking and wanted to to happen. But it's not only Houthis
[00:19:04] Houthis that are gaining from this, this, it's also Iran because the
[00:19:07] the Houthis, as you mentioned at at the beginning, are backed by Iran.
[00:19:10] Iran. They are Iranian proxy. And
[00:19:13] And they when they escalate every every time Iran felt pressure from
[00:19:16] from the US or felt that there is
[00:19:18] is a war resuming, resuming, the the Houthis escalated more against
[00:19:22] against the Saudi, which is a major major US ally. So it's not only the
[00:19:26] the Houthis, but it's only Iran benefiting benefiting and putting more pressure
[00:19:29] pressure on the US through Saudi Saudi Arabia. What are the implications
[00:19:32] implications for Saudi's neighbours,
[00:19:34] neighbours, the wider region? Well,
[00:19:36] Well, this is like I said at the the beginning, it's some could be
[00:19:39] be a major turning point also for
[00:19:41] for GCC relations and for other countries. countries. We've heard the Emiratis
[00:19:45] Emiratis say today that Anwar Gargash Gargash that this attack on Saudi
[00:19:48] Saudi Arabia means that the UAE and and other Gulf countries are being
[00:19:52] being attacked, too, because the the security of Saudi Arabia is very
[00:19:55] very tightly related and linked to to the security of other countries
[00:19:59] countries in the region. We've also also heard the Saudis say a few days
[00:20:03] days ago that the security of the
[00:20:05] the Gulf is one security and cannot
[00:20:08] cannot be divided. So we'll definitely definitely see more action from a
[00:20:12] a joint action from the GCC leaders
[00:20:15] leaders and GCC countries. There
[00:20:17] There is a GCC Gulf mechanism that
[00:20:22] that requires or that indicates that that GCC countries have to act together.
[00:20:25] together. It has been activated twice twice before, once in Kuwait during
[00:20:29] during the Gulf War and once in Bahrain
[00:20:31] Bahrain when there were protests.
[00:20:34] protests. So will we see the Saudis
[00:20:36] Saudis asking for this mechanism mechanism to be activated again?
[00:20:39] again? It's yet to be seen, but the
[00:20:41] the pattern and the path is that
[00:20:43] that we're seeing more more push
[00:20:46] push towards a collective GCC reaction.
[00:20:48] reaction. Mohamed Ali Ash-har Quraishi Quraishi Thousands of protesters
[00:20:51] protesters led by India's main opposition, opposition, the Congress Party, have
[00:20:55] have been marching in Delhi towards towards the Supreme Court. They're They're demanding the resignation
[00:20:59] resignation of the chief election election commissioner after the removal
[00:21:01] removal of millions of names from from voter lists. This comes after
[00:21:05] after several protesters were detained, detained, then released this weekend,
[00:21:08] weekend, including the leaders of of the Gen Z movement, the Cockroach
[00:21:12] Cockroach Janta Party. Our reporter reporter Jugal Purohit was at the
[00:21:16] the march in Delhi. For days now,
[00:21:19] now, protesters have been trying trying to make themselves seen and
[00:21:22] and heard in India's national capital.
[00:21:25] capital. However, what we are seeing seeing today is unlike what we've
[00:21:28] we've seen on any other day. Look
[00:21:31] Look behind me from this side there
[00:21:34] there is a huge crowd coming being
[00:21:36] being led by India's opposition leader
[00:21:39] leader Rahul Gandhi and several other
[00:21:43] other parliamentarians from this
[00:21:45] this side and this side, they are
[00:21:48] are merging onto this main carriageway. carriageway. As I said, it hasn't
[00:21:52] hasn't been as big in the last several
[00:21:54] several days. The plan is to march
[00:21:56] march from here to the Supreme Court
[00:21:58] Court of India, and the idea is to
[00:22:02] to press for the resignation of India's
[00:22:05] India's Chief Election Commissioner Commissioner and initiate a slew
[00:22:08] slew of electoral reforms. Now the
[00:22:10] the government says that this area
[00:22:13] area is, is is there's a notification notification which prevents the assembly
[00:22:16] assembly of more than four people
[00:22:19] people at any place in this vicinity.
[00:22:20] vicinity. But as you can see that
[00:22:24] that particular piece of law has has been breached and the police
[00:22:27] police is moving in, as you can see,
[00:22:29] see, because there's also a huge huge police deployment and now they're
[00:22:33] they're moving in to try and make
[00:22:36] make sure that the protests remain remain confined to this spot. OK,
[00:22:39] OK, let's speak to Isha Dutta Lahiri
[00:22:42] Lahiri in Delhi. Isha, tell us more
[00:22:45] more about the background to these
[00:22:46] these protests. First of all. Well,
[00:22:50] Well, at the heart of these protests
[00:22:53] protests is an exercise to periodically
[00:22:55] periodically revise India's electoral electoral voter list, known as the
[00:22:59] the Special Intensive Revision or
[00:23:01] or SIR. Now this entire exercise
[00:23:05] exercise has been at the centre of of a lot of controversy since it
[00:23:09] it was announced. So critics say
[00:23:11] say that it is unfair to poorer sections sections of society and migrants
[00:23:14] migrants who do not have the documentation
[00:23:17] documentation required by the SIR SIR process to prove themselves.
[00:23:20] themselves. Eligible voters. People
[00:23:22] People also say that this entire entire exercise has been carried
[00:23:26] carried out in an extremely hurried hurried manner in election going
[00:23:30] going states and India's opposition opposition specifically has alleged
[00:23:33] alleged that voter lists are being
[00:23:36] being manipulated to help India's India's ruling party, the Bharatiya Bharatiya Janata Party. Now, all
[00:23:40] all of these allegations have of of course been denied by both the
[00:23:43] the BJP government and the Election
[00:23:46] Election Commission. But it is in in this context that an investigation
[00:23:49] investigation by Indian newspaper newspaper Indian Express, which comes
[00:23:53] comes in which says that certain certain decisions regarding this
[00:23:57] this key exercise were taken unilaterally
[00:24:00] unilaterally by India's Chief Election Election Commissioner, Ganesh Kumar,
[00:24:04] Kumar, in spite of objections by
[00:24:06] by his fellow election commissioners. commissioners. Now this has created
[00:24:09] created an uproar in the country country and many are alleging that
[00:24:13] that Ganesh Kumar is directly responsible
[00:24:17] responsible for about 130 million
[00:24:19] million people who have been left
[00:24:21] left off the new voters list. And
[00:24:24] And that is why the youth in the the country, as well as the opposition
[00:24:28] opposition opposition parties, have have come out on the streets demanding
[00:24:31] demanding his resignation. And I I note that the Chief Justice has
[00:24:35] has told reporters that he declined
[00:24:37] declined a meeting with opposition
[00:24:40] opposition lawmakers without giving giving specific reasons why. But
[00:24:42] But is there any sign of a resolution
[00:24:44] resolution to all of this? Well,
[00:24:47] Well, we must remember that this
[00:24:50] this is the second such mass protest protest against the BJP dispensation
[00:24:54] dispensation in India in a very short short period of time. The last time
[00:24:58] time such a protest happened just just a few months ago, called by
[00:25:01] by the called by India's newest pressure
[00:25:04] pressure group youth pressure group group the Cockroach Janta Party.
[00:25:06] Party. It led to the resignation resignation of India's education
[00:25:10] education Minister Dharmendra Pradhan, Pradhan, who was a very key leader
[00:25:14] leader in the BJP ecosystem and in
[00:25:15] in Mr Modi's cabinet. Now we have
[00:25:18] have seen that over the past few
[00:25:21] few days the government has responded responded with a massive crackdown
[00:25:25] crackdown on these protests. There There is unprecedented security cover
[00:25:28] cover in Delhi and the government, government, for this reason will
[00:25:31] will be watching the protests closely. closely. But there has been no signs
[00:25:35] signs of a dialogue between the government government and the protesters. So
[00:25:39] So there is no evidence sign of a
[00:25:40] a resolution any time soon. OK. Isha
[00:25:44] Isha Lahiri in Delhi, thank you very
[00:25:45] very much. And let's just show you
[00:25:49] you those continuing scenes from
[00:25:51] from Delhi with thousands of protesters, protesters, thousands of military
[00:25:55] military on the streets, barricades barricades on the streets as well.
[00:25:58] well. But that protest movement showing
[00:26:00] showing no signs of abating over
[00:26:02] over this issue, much more to come come here on News
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[00:30:17] headlines from BBC News. In a warning warning to Russia, Nato's top military
[00:30:20] military commander says it would would block blunt and break any attack
[00:30:24] attack on its members as fears grow
[00:30:25] grow over the threat from Moscow. Moscow. Ukraine's President Zelensky
[00:30:29] Zelensky has accused Russia of striking striking power plants immediately immediately after President Trump
[00:30:33] Trump announced what he called an an energy ceasefire overnight between
[00:30:37] between Kyiv and Moscow. Houthi fighters fighters in Yemen have continued
[00:30:41] continued to fire missiles towards towards Saudi Arabia after three
[00:30:44] three deadly attacks on Riyadh airport airport in the past few days, Saudi
[00:30:48] Saudi officials say. Air defences defences have intercepted and destroyed
[00:30:51] destroyed a ballistic missile aimed aimed towards a city in the southwest.
[00:30:55] southwest. Thousands of people are are marching in Delhi as they call
[00:30:58] call for the electoral commission. commission. Head to quit over names
[00:31:01] names being removed from voter lists.
[00:31:04] lists. And the Nobel Prize for economics economics has been awarded to two
[00:31:07] two Americans, Robert E Hall and and Michael Woodford, for their work
[00:31:11] work in macroeconomic stabilisation. stabilisation. The Swedish Academy Academy said they'd helped the world
[00:31:15] world respond to supply shocks and
[00:31:17] and economic downturns. Hello, I'm
[00:31:26] I'm Annita McVeigh, and let's just just tell you a little bit more about about this year's Nobel Prize for
[00:31:30] for economics, which has been awarded awarded to two American economists,
[00:31:34] economists, Robert E Hall and Michael Michael Woodford won the award for
[00:31:37] for their work in the microeconomic
[00:31:40] microeconomic foundations of Macroeconomic Macroeconomic stabilisation. And And essentially their work looks
[00:31:44] looks at how monetary policy can can be used to stop fluctuations
[00:31:47] fluctuations in economies to bring bring more stability. Meanwhile,
[00:31:51] Meanwhile, this year's Nobel Peace
[00:31:53] Peace Prize winner Navi Pillay has
[00:31:55] has told BBC News that international international law will survive despite
[00:31:59] despite criticism coming from several several countries including the US..
[00:32:02] US.. The Trump administration has has imposed sanctions on the International
[00:32:06] International Criminal Court, which
[00:32:07] which it views as a rogue institution. institution. Speaking to Rebecca
[00:32:11] Rebecca Kesby on the BBC World Service,
[00:32:13] Service, Navi Pillay defended international international law and described her
[00:32:16] her shock at winning the Nobel Peace
[00:32:18] Peace Prize. Surprise is a mild word.
[00:32:22] word. I was completely taken by shock
[00:32:25] shock because I was in the courtroom courtroom there in Nuremberg. We
[00:32:28] We all either switched off our phone
[00:32:30] phone or we had no internet connection.
[00:32:33] connection. I now know that the Nobel
[00:32:36] Nobel Committee was desperately trying trying to get me. And then they phoned
[00:32:39] phoned my brother in Durban who also
[00:32:42] also handles my affairs. Guess what?
[00:32:44] what? A once in a lifetime huge dental
[00:32:47] dental appointment. So you see. And
[00:32:50] And so he couldn't help either because because the only thing he could do
[00:32:53] do is phone me. So it was a bit chaotic.
[00:32:56] chaotic. Do you believe international
[00:32:57] international law now is under political
[00:33:00] political threat? Why is that important?
[00:33:03] important? I do believe it's under
[00:33:06] under threat because judges and the
[00:33:08] the prosecutors at the International International Criminal Court have
[00:33:12] have been sanctioned. All the staff
[00:33:14] staff are on tenterhooks about whether whether they can continue working.
[00:33:17] working. It affects their entire entire lives. They can't use their
[00:33:21] their credit cards because the Dominion
[00:33:24] Dominion servers are all based in
[00:33:26] in the US. It has wide widespread
[00:33:30] widespread repercussions, but mainly mainly on the judicial work. This
[00:33:32] This is an independent court. Judges
[00:33:35] Judges in any country should not
[00:33:37] not be punished for the judicial
[00:33:40] judicial orders they deliver. And
[00:33:42] And Rebecca, because I regard this
[00:33:44] this as so alarming, my priority priority is after this interview
[00:33:48] interview and several others, I'm I'm going straight to the International
[00:33:51] International Criminal Court because because the staff invited to come
[00:33:55] come and address them. So I prioritise
[00:33:58] prioritise that because it's such
[00:33:59] such an area of anxiety by one government
[00:34:04] government headed by by Trump. Hours Hours after it was announced that
[00:34:08] that you won this prize and we don't don't know if it's connected, the
[00:34:12] the US Secretary of State, Marco Marco Rubio, took aim directly at
[00:34:16] at the International Criminal Court, Court, where you have been a judge.
[00:34:19] judge. He said he wants to cripple cripple it. He said either the ICC
[00:34:23] ICC will end its threats or we will
[00:34:26] will end the ICC. He said that American
[00:34:29] American and Israeli people had had
[00:34:32] had been unfairly targeted by the
[00:34:34] the ICC. What do you make of his his comments? I think they're shocking
[00:34:37] shocking comments. They're totally
[00:34:40] totally unacceptable for one state
[00:34:42] state to go and attack a court that
[00:34:44] that is supported by a majority of
[00:34:48] of states, 124 counting. Which states?
[00:34:51] states? Which member states create,
[00:34:53] create, you know, help to support
[00:34:55] support this court. So firstly it's
[00:34:58] it's a single state that is taking
[00:35:00] taking this action with great hypocrisy.
[00:35:03] hypocrisy. Of course they want the
[00:35:05] the court there to go after the person
[00:35:08] person they want to go after. And
[00:35:10] And that is Putin. They support the
[00:35:13] the indictment and warrant against against President Putin. But they
[00:35:17] they say hands off Israel. International
[00:35:20] International law is not there to to be manipulated to favour your
[00:35:24] your friends and condemn those who who don't like. You winning the Nobel
[00:35:28] Nobel Peace Prize has triggered a
[00:35:30] a furious response from the Israeli
[00:35:33] Israeli Foreign Ministry, which on
[00:35:35] on Friday said, and I'm quoting awarding
[00:35:38] awarding Pele the Nobel Peace Prize
[00:35:40] Prize isn't a recognition of justice.
[00:35:42] justice. It's a grotesque weaponization
[00:35:44] weaponization of an award to legitimise
[00:35:47] legitimise anti-Israel hatred and and prejudice. And it goes on to
[00:35:51] to say Joseph Goebbels is certainly
[00:35:54] certainly applauding from hell. What What what's your response to those
[00:35:58] those accusations? These really government
[00:36:00] government used to like me. We had had a good relationship. When I was
[00:36:04] was High Commissioner for Human Rights,
[00:36:07] Rights, they turned against me. As
[00:36:10] As soon as we produce our reports
[00:36:13] reports in my capacity as chair of
[00:36:17] of the UN Commission into Palestine
[00:36:20] Palestine and Israel. So you could
[00:36:22] could see it's the reporting and
[00:36:24] and exposure of what's going on in
[00:36:27] in this conflicted area is what troubles troubles them. You said international
[00:36:31] international law is under attack.
[00:36:32] attack. Do you believe it can and
[00:36:36] and will survive? And what if it it doesn't? It will survive. So I
[00:36:40] I don't even want to speculate. What
[00:36:42] What if it does? And maybe for a
[00:36:44] a few months the sanctions will hurt
[00:36:46] hurt the court. You know, I know
[00:36:49] know some of the judges and the prosecutor,
[00:36:52] prosecutor, senior prosecutors there
[00:36:55] there people working in, in these these courts are thoroughly dedicated
[00:36:59] dedicated and committed. I know that
[00:37:01] that they will pursue their work
[00:37:05] work impartially and as and as long long as they could work, they will
[00:37:08] will continue. So there's no question question of this court coming to
[00:37:11] to an end despite any attempts to
[00:37:14] to stifle it. Nobel Peace Prize winner
[00:37:17] winner Navi Pillay, speaking to the
[00:37:21] the BBC as America's mid-term elections elections approach, the data centres
[00:37:25] centres powering the AI boom are are becoming a political flashpoint.
[00:37:28] flashpoint. A new proposal in Washington Washington would require them to
[00:37:31] to cover the additional electricity electricity infrastructure costs
[00:37:34] costs they create. President Trump Trump champions their expansion,
[00:37:38] expansion, but Arizona's Attorney Attorney General has called for a
[00:37:40] a pause on new approvals. Our North North America correspondent Shaimaa
[00:37:44] Shaimaa Khalil has been hearing what what it means to live alongside these
[00:37:48] these giant facilities. Get off it.
[00:37:50] it. Put people over profit. A backlash backlash to the data centre boom
[00:37:54] boom is happening across America.
[00:37:57] America. And. Here in Arizona, protesters
[00:38:00] protesters are fighting against upcoming upcoming expansions. The point of
[00:38:04] of technology is to make things more more efficient, not to coat the earth
[00:38:08] earth in rapidly depreciating chips chips that heat, you know, neighbourhoods.
[00:38:12] neighbourhoods. We can't have another another data centre. We don't have
[00:38:14] have enough water as it is. This
[00:38:17] This is what America's AI ambitions
[00:38:18] ambitions look like. President Trump
[00:38:21] Trump says any slowdown means losing losing to China. At first glance,
[00:38:24] glance, this looks like an ordinary ordinary suburban neighbourhood.
[00:38:27] neighbourhood. That is, until huge huge data centres started sprawling
[00:38:30] sprawling around. And in a place
[00:38:33] place like Arizona, already struggling struggling with soaring temperatures
[00:38:36] temperatures and drought, people people here worry about what that that will mean more pressure on the
[00:38:40] the power grid, potentially higher higher bills, more demand on scarce
[00:38:44] scarce water. We love our house but
[00:38:48] but if we had known that was going going in, we never would have bought
[00:38:52] bought here. It's enough to make
[00:38:54] make the difference between a pleasant
[00:38:58] pleasant lifestyle and wondering wondering how much noise is going
[00:39:02] going to be coming up and what's
[00:39:05] what's next. This is essentially
[00:39:07] essentially a data logger. A noise
[00:39:10] noise isn't the only concern. Scientists Scientists say the data centres are
[00:39:13] are making scorching Arizona even even hotter. Driving around this
[00:39:17] this neighbourhood. What worries
[00:39:19] worries you about its proximity to
[00:39:21] to that data centre? The residents
[00:39:24] residents here are all going to feel
[00:39:27] feel a couple of degree Fahrenheit
[00:39:29] Fahrenheit warming on a typical day,
[00:39:31] day, and that will translate to higher higher energy costs for them. Running
[00:39:35] Running air conditioners probably
[00:39:37] probably higher landscape water use use costs. Reporter but some residents
[00:39:41] residents see these facilities as as part of the technology they already already rely on. I don't think it's
[00:39:45] it's a problem and I'm kind of excited. excited. I just recently bought a
[00:39:48] a Tesla with full Self-Driving, and
[00:39:50] and I know that uses a lot of data data and it's awesome. So I don't
[00:39:54] don't have a problem with it. We We need that water. And if. It's
[00:39:57] It's not there, how do we farm? But
[00:39:59] But Nancy Caywood worries about what what gets left behind. Her family
[00:40:03] family has farmed this land since
[00:40:05] since 1930. Drought is making that that harder now, but she says she's
[00:40:09] she's refused offers to sell to data data centre developers. Knowing my
[00:40:12] my granddad worked so hard to for for this farm, just not having it
[00:40:16] it here would just be. It would be
[00:40:19] be hard. What do you say to President
[00:40:20] President Trump because he's a big
[00:40:23] big advocate of data centres. He He can't eat data centres, can't
[00:40:27] can't eat them. They're not going going to provide food for you. As
[00:40:29] As voters head to the polls in November,
[00:40:32] November, many issues will weigh weigh heavily on their minds. Among
[00:40:35] Among them, the expansion of AI, AI, changing their lives and the
[00:40:39] the landscape around them. Shaimaa
[00:40:42] Shaimaa Khalil, BBC News, Arizona. Arizona. Around the world and across
[00:40:45] across the UK. This is BBC News.
[00:41:50] people. For the latest, follow us us on the President's path here on
[00:41:52] on BBC. News. Let's return to our
[00:41:59] our top story now. Nato Supreme allied
[00:42:02] allied Commander Europe says the the alliance will ensure that any
[00:42:05] any attack on its members will prove
[00:42:07] prove utterly futile. US General General Alexis Grynkewich said the
[00:42:11] the alliance would block blunt and
[00:42:13] and break any attack on its members. members. Whatever the enemy objectives,
[00:42:17] objectives, he said the alliance alliance should set out red lines
[00:42:20] lines to Russia over its hybrid attacks.
[00:42:23] attacks. Well, our BBC Monitoring Monitoring chief analyst Vitaly Shevchenko Shevchenko was with me in the studio
[00:42:27] studio and highlighted his key takeaways takeaways from that speech at the
[00:42:31] the Warsaw Security Forum. He spent
[00:42:35] spent a lot of time bigging up Nato's
[00:42:38] Nato's capabilities and clearly he
[00:42:40] he was trying to send out the message
[00:42:44] message that, you know, we mean it,
[00:42:45] it, we're serious and we are capable.
[00:42:49] capable. However, my view is that
[00:42:52] that there's one point where Russia's
[00:42:54] Russia's and Nato's interests coincide
[00:42:58] coincide and that point lies in the
[00:43:01] the aspiration that these huge capabilities
[00:43:04] capabilities that Nato has are never
[00:43:07] never actually used. Russia is quite
[00:43:10] quite well. I think they know that
[00:43:13] that they will stand very little
[00:43:15] little chance of defeating this alliance,
[00:43:17] alliance, especially now that Russia
[00:43:20] Russia is bogged down in Ukraine
[00:43:22] Ukraine for Nato going to war, hot
[00:43:27] hot war with Russia is going to be
[00:43:30] be a costly decision in more ways
[00:43:32] ways than one, not just money, but
[00:43:36] but very, very likely deaths of its
[00:43:39] its soldiers. So this is clearly clearly what they want to avoid.
[00:43:43] avoid. So no surprise that the general general described his theory of victory
[00:43:47] victory as a vision. First of all, all, of deterrence and then defence.
[00:43:51] defence. And yet you say that both
[00:43:52] both Russia and Nato want to avoid
[00:43:55] avoid boots on the ground. That sort sort of situation. But I suppose suppose one of the big questions
[00:43:59] questions for European leaders who've who've talked a lot about hybrid
[00:44:03] hybrid threats from Russia is how how far Nato is prepared to go in
[00:44:06] in terms of dealing with those hybrid hybrid threats. And one big question
[00:44:09] question that occurred to me as I
[00:44:10] I was listening to the general Vitali,
[00:44:13] Vitali, is to what extent does Nato's
[00:44:16] Nato's military plans, Nato's military
[00:44:19] military strategy chime with how how far the United States, which
[00:44:22] which of course has Nato's biggest
[00:44:25] biggest army, is prepared to engage engage in this strategy? Well, exactly.
[00:44:28] exactly. I found it notable that that the general used the phrase,
[00:44:31] phrase, and I quote that the Alliance
[00:44:34] Alliance will want to deny the ability
[00:44:37] ability to seize and hold our territory.
[00:44:40] territory. And as we will know, it's it's not just about the actual territory
[00:44:44] territory these days. It's about about undermining the very fabric
[00:44:48] fabric that holds democracies together.
[00:44:51] together. So people listening to
[00:44:53] to his speech would only hope that
[00:44:56] that the alliance has plans to defeat
[00:44:59] defeat the enemy's plans to undermine undermine their democracies. When
[00:45:03] When it comes to how committed Washington
[00:45:08] Washington is these days to the alliance
[00:45:10] alliance he sought to assuage those
[00:45:12] those concerns that it's not by saying
[00:45:14] saying that nobody should question
[00:45:17] question that commitment, but past
[00:45:19] past history, recent history of relations relations between the alliance and
[00:45:23] and Donald Trump. I think it justifies
[00:45:26] justifies those questions. Let's
[00:45:27] Let's talk a bit about then the energy
[00:45:30] energy cease fire, the surprise energy
[00:45:32] energy cease fire announced by President President Trump at the weekend. Earlier
[00:45:36] Earlier in Warsaw, President Zelensky Zelensky was speaking. He appeared
[00:45:39] appeared to throw down the gauntlet gauntlet effectively to Russia, saying,
[00:45:43] saying, you know, Ukraine will sign sign up to this. Russia needs to.
[00:45:47] to. And if it doesn't, America needs needs to deal with that. That seemed
[00:45:49] seemed to be the underlying thread
[00:45:51] thread in what he was saying. What
[00:45:53] What response has there been from
[00:45:55] from the Kremlin? Vitali? Noncommittal.
[00:45:59] Noncommittal. It's very important
[00:46:00] important to note that neither Russia Russia nor Ukraine have actually
[00:46:04] actually said that this cease fire
[00:46:07] fire is is happening. The Kremlin Kremlin spokesman, Dmitry Peskov,
[00:46:10] Peskov, was asked about the alleged
[00:46:13] alleged cease fire this morning and
[00:46:16] and he said that and I quote context context continue. And if we have
[00:46:19] have anything to say on the subject,
[00:46:21] subject, we will. Which again raises
[00:46:23] raises doubts in my mind that this
[00:46:25] this is actually going ahead. And
[00:46:29] And also it's worth remembering that
[00:46:31] that the past four and a half years,
[00:46:33] years, in fact, more than a decade
[00:46:36] decade of this conflict between Russia
[00:46:37] Russia and Ukraine is littered with
[00:46:40] with failed ceasefires, ceasefires
[00:46:42] ceasefires that failed even before
[00:46:44] before they started. So personally,
[00:46:47] personally, I have huge doubts that
[00:46:48] that this will result in any decrease
[00:46:51] decrease in attacks in Ukraine on
[00:46:54] on energy or anything else at all.
[00:46:56] all. Yeah, we've got about a minute
[00:46:58] minute left on this conversation.
[00:47:01] conversation. Vitali, in terms of of this energy cease fire, do you
[00:47:04] you think Russia will feel compelled
[00:47:07] compelled to do anything more so
[00:47:10] so long as this diesel deal between
[00:47:11] between the US and Russia stays in
[00:47:14] in place? I don't think so. It's
[00:47:18] It's not crucial to Putin that this
[00:47:22] this amount of diesel gets delivered delivered or sold at all. He will
[00:47:26] will still have buyers from China
[00:47:29] China and India. And we have to remember
[00:47:32] remember that Russia was not exporting
[00:47:35] exporting any diesel to begin with.
[00:47:37] with. It banned diesel exports because
[00:47:39] because it wants it itself. So from
[00:47:42] from the point of view of the Kremlin,
[00:47:43] Kremlin, I think it's political rather
[00:47:47] rather than economic signalling that
[00:47:50] that Putin is back in from the cold. cold. He's not isolated and getting
[00:47:54] getting an extra cash as well. That
[00:47:56] That helps to. Vitaly Shevchenko,
[00:48:00] Shevchenko, a BBC investigation has has revealed that the world's biggest
[00:48:03] biggest accountancy firm helped falsify falsify documents that allowed the
[00:48:06] the former Chelsea Football Club Club owner Roman Abramovich to hide
[00:48:10] hide his wealth and evade tax. BBC BBC Panorama has uncovered hundreds
[00:48:14] hundreds of documents that were backdated backdated by the Russian billionaires
[00:48:18] billionaires advisers. Many were were drawn up with the help of Deloitte.
[00:48:21] Deloitte. Roman Abramovich denies denies any wrongdoing. Deloitte says
[00:48:24] says it complies with applicable
[00:48:26] applicable laws. Richard Bilton reports.
[00:48:31] reports. Things have changed for for Roman Abramovich. He has been
[00:48:34] been sanctioned because of his links links to Vladimir Putin. He's been
[00:48:37] been forced to sell his beloved Chelsea
[00:48:41] Chelsea and now revelations from from inside his financial empire.
[00:48:44] empire. If you want to understand understand Roman Abramovich, follow
[00:48:48] follow the money. This is Cyprus,
[00:48:51] Cyprus, home to a web of companies
[00:48:52] companies that were holding his wealth
[00:48:56] wealth working with the Bureau of
[00:48:58] of Investigative Journalism. Panorama Panorama has been investigating a
[00:49:02] a data leak which shows the lengths
[00:49:05] lengths some of his Cypriot advisers advisers went to hide his billions.
[00:49:08] billions. They falsified and backdated backdated hundreds of documents.
[00:49:12] documents. It is trying to cover
[00:49:15] cover up something. And what we appear
[00:49:17] appear to have here is a fiddle factory
[00:49:19] factory in a fiddle factory. You You fiddle the transactions, you
[00:49:23] you backdate them and that is what
[00:49:25] what appears to have been happening
[00:49:27] happening here regularly. In 2003,
[00:49:30] 2003, one of Roman Abramovich's Cypriot
[00:49:33] Cypriot companies called Kravin Investments, Investments, had almost $2 billion
[00:49:37] billion of his money in the bank.
[00:49:40] bank. Deloitte confirms certain changes changes will have to be made to the
[00:49:44] the accounts. That's Deloitte apparently
[00:49:47] apparently advising on falsifying falsifying financial records by backdating
[00:49:50] backdating them. The evidence suggests
[00:49:53] suggests it allowed Mr Abramovich
[00:49:54] Abramovich to evade millions in tax.
[00:49:57] tax. It's a. Straightforward and
[00:50:03] and blatant move to protect from
[00:50:08] from legitimate taxation assets which which should otherwise have been
[00:50:12] been subject to tax. So it's tax tax evasion. Yeah. Straightforward.
[00:50:16] Straightforward. And how serious serious is that? Well, again, if
[00:50:19] if it happened in England and it it was in the millions His Majesty's
[00:50:22] Majesty's Revenue and Customs would
[00:50:24] would be thinking about a prosecution.
[00:50:27] prosecution. Roman Abramovich's lawyers
[00:50:29] lawyers say he denies he evaded tax
[00:50:31] tax or concealed his fortune. They
[00:50:34] They say he was not involved in the the day to day operation of the companies
[00:50:38] companies and Panorama has provided provided no evidence that he knew
[00:50:42] knew of authorised or directed the
[00:50:45] the falsification or backdating of
[00:50:47] of any documents. Deloitte Cyprus
[00:50:49] Cyprus says it's unable to comment comment Because the documents are
[00:50:53] are more than 20 years old are no
[00:50:55] no longer accessible. Richard Bilton,
[00:50:57] Bilton, BBC News. And you're watching watching news now. Do stay with us
[00:51:01] us here on BBC News.
[00:51:14] MUSIC
[00:51:24] With its cold climate and lava field
[00:51:27] field landscapes, Iceland is a remote
[00:51:29] remote island sitting just below below the Arctic Circle. Farmland
[00:51:33] Farmland is limited here, but the
[00:51:35] the country has an abundance of heat,
[00:51:39] heat, water and clean electricity.
[00:51:42] electricity. And here in Keflavik Keflavik we're seeing how agritech
[00:51:46] agritech is turning that into an
[00:51:48] an advantage. This is a growing room.
[00:51:52] room. We are growing Japanese strawberry.
[00:51:54] strawberry. Wow. There's so many.
[00:51:57] many. When you think of Iceland's Iceland's northern climes, strawberries
[00:52:00] strawberries probably aren't the the first crop that spring to mind.
[00:52:03] mind. But down here, more than 5000
[00:52:06] 5000 plants are growing. Two years
[00:52:08] years ago, Ken quit his IT industry industry job and came to Iceland
[00:52:12] Iceland to set up this indoor farm.
[00:52:15] farm. I think Iceland is the best
[00:52:16] best place to grow Japanese strawberry strawberry and apart from Japan.
[00:52:20] Japan. So I decided to move here.
[00:52:22] here. The premium fruit is sold through
[00:52:25] through an online shop to local buyers buyers and restaurants. This one
[00:52:28] one is the best. Oh, that's a big
[00:52:30] big one. That looks delicious. Out
[00:52:33] Out of know why is a good texture.
[00:52:36] texture. It's a very beautiful. Oh,
[00:52:39] Oh, it's very sweet. Here, a new
[00:52:41] new wave of modern day farmers are
[00:52:44] are harnessing the country's plentiful,
[00:52:46] plentiful, cheap and clean electricity
[00:52:48] electricity to grow fruits and vegetables.
[00:52:52] vegetables. That's important because because facilities like this are
[00:52:57] are also energy intensive. Indoor
[00:52:58] Indoor farm use a lot of electricity.
[00:53:01] electricity. Iceland can provide provide natural energy from geothermal.
[00:53:05] geothermal. And then Icelandic water
[00:53:07] water is very pure. Meanwhile, Iceland's
[00:53:10] Iceland's renewable energy and cool cool climate has attracted another
[00:53:13] another industry. Data centres and
[00:53:17] and this Start-Up has an innovation
[00:53:19] innovation that's quite literally literally out of the box, capturing
[00:53:22] capturing waste heat from data and
[00:53:25] and turning it into dinner. So welcome
[00:53:28] welcome to the pod. The recovered recovered heat is channelled to food
[00:53:31] food growing pods converted from from shipping containers. Here we
[00:53:34] we try with microgreens because they're
[00:53:37] they're super efficient. After carrying
[00:53:39] carrying out trials at a data centre, centre, this demonstration unit has
[00:53:42] has now been set up in a business
[00:53:45] business park to run test simulations. simulations. We connect directly
[00:53:48] directly to the exhaust from the the data centre. The heat is coming coming through that wall. Everything
[00:53:52] Everything is happening behind this
[00:53:54] this wall to mix the air and making making sure we have a homogeneous
[00:53:58] homogeneous temperature all around around the pod. The idea is to tackle
[00:54:01] tackle two issues in one go. 80% 80% of our fresh fruits and vegetables
[00:54:05] vegetables are imported. This is is a huge carbon footprint for the the island and also the variety of
[00:54:09] of fruits and vegetables you can
[00:54:11] can get is limited. Less than 20km
[00:54:15] 20km from this geothermal plant, plant, indoor growing systems have
[00:54:18] have been taken to another level.
[00:54:22] level. So here we have the green green face. So everything is green.
[00:54:26] green. This dazzling display is part part of an aquaculture facility where
[00:54:30] where Icelandic firm Al-khalaf is
[00:54:33] is cultivating microalgae. We are are growing the algae from just small
[00:54:36] small flasks up to the big reactors. reactors. You can see here. Each
[00:54:40] Each reactor you see is 10,000l. 10,000l. The light is helping the
[00:54:44] the algae photosynthesise the more more light we can get, the more the
[00:54:47] the algae will grow. The algae is
[00:54:50] is fed CO2 and releases oxygen while
[00:54:53] while lighting pH and temperature
[00:54:55] temperature are all tightly controlled. controlled. After removing the water
[00:54:59] water and drying the algae, they
[00:55:01] they produce a compound used in dietary dietary supplements. We have to break
[00:55:05] break the cells apart to release release the xanthin, and that goes
[00:55:08] goes into making an oil like a resin. resin. We then sell on to other companies
[00:55:12] companies that make small capsules. capsules. And so in a country where
[00:55:16] where the climate limits what can can be grown, innovators have found
[00:55:19] found new ways to produce.
[00:59:06] I was here at the very first protest, the Cockroach Janta Party
[00:59:10] Party had organised about a month
[00:59:12] month ago, and this is so much bigger. bigger. I've been driving towards
[00:59:16] towards the site of this wildfire, wildfire, but we've just stopped stopped at the side of the road here
[00:59:19] here because of what we saw out the the window. This man has been pulled
[00:59:23] pulled out successfully. It's taken taken a mammoth mammoth rescue effort.
[00:59:26] effort. This morning. You get very very little sense of the terrible terrible scenes that were witnessed
[00:59:30] witnessed here last night. There
[00:59:32] There when the story breaks. BBC
[00:59:36] BBC News.
[01:00:10] Live from London. This is BBC
[01:00:13] News. In a warning to Russia, Nato's Nato's top military commander says
[01:00:17] says the alliance would block blunt
[01:00:19] blunt and break any attack on its
[01:00:21] its members as fears grow over the
[01:00:23] the threat from Moscow. Ukraine's Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky
[01:00:26] Zelensky says Russia hit a power power plant in Ukraine immediately
[01:00:29] immediately after Donald Trump announced announced what he called an energy
[01:00:32] energy ceasefire. It was clear that
[01:00:36] that Putin does not read Truth Social
[01:00:42] Social and his cheeky drones follow
[01:00:43] follow a different set of instructions.
[01:00:46] instructions. The comedian and actor actor Russell Brand has appeared appeared in court for the start of
[01:00:50] of his trial on charges of rape and
[01:00:53] and sexual assault. He denies the
[01:00:54] the charges. Flights remain suspended
[01:00:57] suspended at Saudi Arabia's main main international airport after