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[00:01:16] MUSIC These These are our latest headlines on on BBC News. Saudi Arabia threatens
[00:01:20] threatens what it calls a serious serious response to the deadly Houthi
[00:01:24] Houthi attacks on Riyadh's international international airport. Flights remain
[00:01:27] remain suspended. 14 people were
[00:01:28] were killed in strikes over the weekend.
[00:01:32] weekend. Ukraine's President Volodymyr Volodymyr Zelensky has accused Russia
[00:01:34] Russia of striking power plants immediately immediately after President Trump
[00:01:38] Trump announced what he called an
[00:01:40] an energy ceasefire overnight between
[00:01:43] between Kyiv and Moscow, a BBC investigation
[00:01:46] investigation reveals the world's world's biggest accountancy firm
[00:01:49] firm helped hide the wealth of the the former Chelsea football Club
[00:01:52] Club owner Roman Abramovich. As the
[00:01:54] the mid-term elections loom in the the United States, we'll have a special
[00:01:57] special report on one of the key key political flashpoints the data
[00:02:01] data centres powering the AI boom
[00:02:05] boom and the comedian and actor Russell Russell Brand has appeared in court
[00:02:08] court for the start of his trial trial on charges of rape and sexual
[00:02:12] sexual assault. He denies the charges.
[00:02:21] charges. The President of Microsoft
[00:02:23] Microsoft has said that work on the the regulation of artificial intelligence
[00:02:26] intelligence needs to start immediately. immediately. Speaking to my colleague
[00:02:29] colleague Will Bayne for the BBC's BBC's Big Boss interview, he said
[00:02:32] said that the current system of self-regulation
[00:02:36] self-regulation simply is not working.
[00:02:37] working. When you look at AI agents
[00:02:40] agents that have escaped human control, control, when you look at models
[00:02:44] models that are so powerful that that they're putting the world's
[00:02:47] world's cybersecurity at risk, I I would say, look, the moment has
[00:02:50] has arrived. Let's speak calmly,
[00:02:53] calmly, maybe even softly but firmly,
[00:02:56] firmly, and start to bring people people together. I hope that's the the role we can
[00:03:04] That's the role we can play as a company. I hope that's the role
[00:03:07] role the UK can play as a country. country. So there was this accord accord that came out at the White
[00:03:11] White House, wasn't you were notably notably not one of the signatories signatories as a company, a company
[00:03:14] company of that. But that was all all about I'm quoting the President President again here, tremendous tremendous self-regulation. It sounds
[00:03:17] sounds like from what you're saying saying to me, without putting words words in your mouth, you don't think think self-regulation actually goes
[00:03:21] goes far enough. There should be be one body somewhere that people people are compelled. Forced what
[00:03:24] what is it legally forced to put put their models through to test? test? I would say two things. First,
[00:03:28] First, I applaud, I applaud, we applaud
[00:03:30] applaud as a company that statement statement and we're happy to sign
[00:03:34] sign it. It's a good step. It's a a necessary step. And fundamentally
[00:03:38] fundamentally what it does is it it says companies should have internal
[00:03:40] internal controls. It should have have its internal auditors looking
[00:03:43] looking at things like AI safety. safety. We've been doing that since
[00:03:46] since almost a decade ago, and there there ought to be some external evaluators
[00:03:50] evaluators as well, all to the good.
[00:03:53] good. It's necessary. I don't think
[00:03:55] think it's sufficient any longer
[00:03:59] longer because the challenge for for any self-regulatory regime is
[00:04:02] is if it's left to the industry alone,
[00:04:06] alone, frankly, the good companies companies will do what you want.
[00:04:08] want. It's the companies that are are not as responsible that you need
[00:04:11] need to worry about. Well, let's
[00:04:14] let's stay with AI because as America's
[00:04:16] America's mid-term elections approach approach the data centres powering
[00:04:20] powering the AI boom are becoming becoming a real political flashpoint.
[00:04:23] flashpoint. A new proposal in Washington Washington would require them to
[00:04:27] to cover the costs of additional additional electricity infrastructure
[00:04:31] infrastructure that they create. create. Well, President Trump does
[00:04:34] does champion their expansion, but but Arizona's Attorney General has
[00:04:37] has called for a pause on new data data centre approvals. Our North
[00:04:41] North America correspondent Shaimaa Shaimaa Khalil has been hearing what
[00:04:43] what it's like to live next to one
[00:04:46] one of these gigantic facilities. facilities. Get off it. Put people
[00:04:50] people over profit. A backlash to to the data centre boom is happening
[00:04:54] happening across America. Here in
[00:04:59] in Arizona, protesters are fighting fighting against upcoming expansions.
[00:05:02] expansions. The point of technology technology is to make things more
[00:05:05] more efficient, not to coat the earth earth in rapidly depreciating chips
[00:05:09] chips that heat, you know, neighbourhoods. neighbourhoods. We can't have another
[00:05:12] another data centre. We don't have have enough water as it is. This
[00:05:15] This is what America's AI ambitions
[00:05:18] ambitions look like. President Trump Trump says any slowdown means losing
[00:05:22] losing to China. At first glance, glance, this looks like an ordinary
[00:05:25] ordinary suburban neighbourhood. neighbourhood. That is, until huge
[00:05:28] huge data centres started sprawling sprawling around and in a place like
[00:05:32] like Arizona already struggling with with soaring temperatures and drought,
[00:05:36] drought, people here worry about about what that will mean more pressure
[00:05:39] pressure on the power grid, potentially potentially higher bills, more demand
[00:05:42] demand on scarce water. We love our
[00:05:46] our house, but if we had known that
[00:05:49] that was going in, we never would would have bought here. It's enough
[00:05:52] enough to make the difference between
[00:05:56] between a pleasant lifestyle and
[00:05:59] and wondering how much noise is going
[00:06:01] going to be coming up and what's
[00:06:04] what's next. This is essentially
[00:06:06] essentially a data logger. A noise noise isn't the only concern, scientists
[00:06:10] scientists say the data centres are are making scorching Arizona even
[00:06:14] even hotter. Driving around this
[00:06:17] this neighbourhood, what worries worries you about its proximity to
[00:06:20] to that data centre? The residents
[00:06:23] residents here are all going to feel
[00:06:26] feel a couple of degree Fahrenheit Fahrenheit warming on a typical day,
[00:06:30] day, and that will translate to higher higher energy costs for them running
[00:06:34] running air conditioners probably
[00:06:36] probably higher landscape water use use costs. But some residents see
[00:06:40] see these facilities as part of the the technology they already rely
[00:06:42] rely on. I don't think it's a problem problem and I'm kind of excited.
[00:06:45] excited. I just recently bought a a Tesla with full self-driving, and
[00:06:49] and I know that uses a lot of data data and it's awesome. So I don't
[00:06:53] don't have a problem with it. We
[00:06:55] We need that water. And if it's not not there, how do we farm? But Nancy
[00:06:59] Nancy Caywood worries about what what gets left behind. Her family
[00:07:01] family has farmed this land since
[00:07:04] since 1930. Drought is making that that harder now, but she says she's
[00:07:07] she's refused offers to sell to data data centre developers. Knowing my
[00:07:11] my granddad worked so hard to for
[00:07:13] for this farm, just not having it
[00:07:15] it here would just be. It would be be hard. What do you say to President
[00:07:19] President Trump? Because he's a big
[00:07:22] big advocate of data centres. Can't Can't eat data centres can't eat
[00:07:26] eat them. They're not going to provide provide food for you. As voters head
[00:07:29] head to the polls in November, many many issues will weigh heavily on
[00:07:33] on their minds. Among them the expansion
[00:07:35] expansion of AI, changing their lives
[00:07:37] lives and the landscape around them.
[00:07:40] them. Shaimaa Khalil, BBC News Arizona.
[00:07:43] Arizona. We talk live now to Gaia
[00:07:46] Gaia Marcus, who's director of the the Ada Lovelace Institute, an independent
[00:07:50] independent organisation dedicated dedicated to making sure AI works
[00:07:53] works for society. She's in Paris. Paris. Thanks for being with us.
[00:07:55] us. What do you make of these data
[00:07:57] data centres? Obviously they are are provoking a lot of local hostility,
[00:08:01] hostility, but they're kind of essential essential for the future of the AI
[00:08:03] AI boom. Yeah, I mean, look, I was was really struck by that last quote.
[00:08:07] quote. We can't eat data centres,
[00:08:10] centres, you know, building centres centres on the scale envisaged by
[00:08:13] by the AI industry involves large-scale large-scale societal trade offs.
[00:08:16] offs. And it's really important that that policymakers have good information
[00:08:19] information to make about those trade trade offs to inform policy. And
[00:08:22] And so we're quite worried at the the moment that the information that
[00:08:25] that policymakers have in terms of of energy usage, water usage are
[00:08:29] are not accurate and not complete. complete. We already know that a
[00:08:32] a lot of England suffers and wider
[00:08:34] wider Britain suffers with the water water table, and it's very difficult
[00:08:37] difficult to make good decisions decisions without good information. information. So I think. We're going
[00:08:40] going to have to leave you because because the Prime Minister is on
[00:08:43] on his feet in the House of Commons. Commons. The House
[00:08:47] The House last met before I do,
[00:08:49] let me first welcome the new member
[00:08:52] member for Holborn and St Pancras
[00:08:56] Pancras to her place. What a journey
[00:08:59] journey from child refugee to Parliament
[00:09:02] Parliament and what a country, Mr Mr Speaker, that this story of hope
[00:09:05] hope could happen here. Yeah, I know
[00:09:08] know my honourable friend will enhance enhance this House in so many ways,
[00:09:12] ways, and I look forward to working
[00:09:15] working with her. Mr speaker, I took
[00:09:17] took a clear message to the UN that
[00:09:20] that after a decade of turbulence,
[00:09:22] turbulence, Britain is back and can
[00:09:24] can be relied upon as a consistent consistent and stable partner in
[00:09:28] in an uncertain world, always upholding upholding the shared values set out
[00:09:32] out in the UN Charter. Rejecting Rejecting aggression wherever we
[00:09:35] we see it and always steadfast in
[00:09:38] in our support for Ukraine. As I I assured President Zelensky at our
[00:09:42] our meeting in New York in the three
[00:09:47] three weeks since that meeting, Russian Russian strikes have intensified
[00:09:50] intensified even further with more
[00:09:53] more attacks on civilians on apartment
[00:09:57] apartment blocks housing innocent innocent families, on buses, carrying
[00:10:00] carrying innocent children. When
[00:10:01] When I spoke to President Zelensky
[00:10:04] Zelensky on Saturday, he described
[00:10:06] described the step change from Russia,
[00:10:09] Russia, including daylight attacks
[00:10:10] attacks intended to break their will
[00:10:13] will and ours. I can tell you, Mr
[00:10:16] Mr Speaker, that will never happen.
[00:10:19] happen. In recent days we have announced announced new funding to help them
[00:10:23] them get through their fifth winter
[00:10:24] winter under Russian bombardment
[00:10:27] bombardment and a new sanctions package
[00:10:29] package so that over 90% of Russia's
[00:10:31] Russia's oil producing capacity is
[00:10:33] is now covered by UK sanctions on
[00:10:37] on diesel, the quickest way to get
[00:10:39] get it back onto world markets without
[00:10:42] without rewarding the aggressor is
[00:10:44] is an energy ceasefire, with both both sides stopping their attacks.
[00:10:48] attacks. I raised this with President President Trump in New York. It is
[00:10:52] is what Ukraine wants to see. And And so I welcome President Trump's
[00:10:56] Trump's announcement yesterday of
[00:10:58] of a reciprocal energy ceasefire. ceasefire. President Zelensky has
[00:11:02] has assured me Ukraine would immediately immediately implement it when a start
[00:11:06] start date is confirmed and I will will be discussing this further with
[00:11:09] with him in the coming days, Mr speaker,
[00:11:13] speaker, Nato is a defensive alliance.
[00:11:16] alliance. We do not seek confrontation,
[00:11:19] confrontation, but our resolve to
[00:11:20] to defend our allies and ourselves
[00:11:23] ourselves is absolute. And I was was clear in all of my meetings,
[00:11:27] meetings, including with the Nato Nato Secretary General in Oxfordshire,
[00:11:30] Oxfordshire, that we will meet our
[00:11:32] our Nato commitments in full. We
[00:11:35] We know Russia is conducting a campaign
[00:11:38] campaign of hybrid attacks and sabotage
[00:11:41] sabotage across Europe. In Berlin Berlin last week, Chancellor Merz
[00:11:44] Merz and I agreed a new partnership partnership to tackle these hybrid
[00:11:48] hybrid threats. We must be clear
[00:11:50] clear eyed about attempts to destabilise destabilise our democracies. It is
[00:11:54] is why, in my speech to the UN General
[00:11:56] General Assembly, I confirmed our
[00:11:58] our commitment to establish a new
[00:12:00] new centre for information defence defence as recommended by the Foreign
[00:12:04] Foreign Affairs Select Committee.
[00:12:07] Committee. More broadly, this is is a moment to deepen collaboration
[00:12:11] collaboration with our partners and and it is why in Berlin I indicated
[00:12:14] indicated Britain's openness to Germany
[00:12:17] Germany joining the global Combat
[00:12:19] Combat Air programme alongside Italy
[00:12:21] Italy and Japan. In my meeting with
[00:12:23] with President Trump, we discussed discussed the situation in the Middle
[00:12:27] Middle East. I confirmed Britain's Britain's decision to send air defence
[00:12:31] defence and a Voyager aircraft to
[00:12:32] to Saudi Arabia to provide air to
[00:12:35] to air refuelling support. I can
[00:12:37] can confirm today it has already
[00:12:41] already completed 14 operational operational missions. This support
[00:12:43] support is needed to protect civilians.
[00:12:46] civilians. I condemn the appalling
[00:12:49] appalling attacks on the King Khalid Khalid International Airport. We
[00:12:52] We will continue to stand with Saudi
[00:12:55] Saudi Arabia against the Houthis Houthis since UNGA. Mr speaker, we
[00:12:58] we have been in close contact with
[00:13:00] with the US about protective security security at our shared bases. I want
[00:13:04] want to thank our police and military
[00:13:07] military personnel for their swift swift response to the incidents at
[00:13:10] at RAF Fairford and RAF Molesworth.
[00:13:13] Molesworth. My right honourable Friend Friend the Home Secretary will update
[00:13:16] update the House regarding the incident
[00:13:18] incident at RAF Fairford, but I can
[00:13:21] can confirm our assessment that it
[00:13:23] it is highly likely to have been
[00:13:26] been co-ordinated in Iran. Almost
[00:13:27] Almost certainly directed by Iran's
[00:13:30] Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard.
[00:13:32] Guard. We will not tolerate these these threats on our soil. We will
[00:13:36] will crack down on Iran's use of of criminal networks using our full
[00:13:39] full range of powers to target them
[00:13:42] them and their funding streams, and and we will bring further sanctions
[00:13:45] sanctions to restrict the capacity
[00:13:47] capacity of Iran and the IRGC to
[00:13:50] to do us harm. In my meeting with
[00:13:52] with the President, I also raised
[00:13:55] raised the Falkland Islands and the
[00:13:57] the clear and declared will of the
[00:14:00] the islanders to remain British.
[00:14:03] British. I emphasise this point in
[00:14:04] in my speech to the General Assembly
[00:14:08] Assembly and that we will also always
[00:14:11] always do whatever it takes to uphold
[00:14:15] uphold their will. Mr speaker, in in New York I also had a positive
[00:14:19] positive meeting with the President President of the European Commission,
[00:14:21] Commission, Ursula von der Leyen,
[00:14:23] Leyen, about the forthcoming UK EU
[00:14:26] EU summit. I can confirm to the House
[00:14:29] House today that it will take place
[00:14:31] place in Brussels on the 20th of
[00:14:34] of November. This summit presents
[00:14:37] presents an opportunity to make progress
[00:14:40] progress on two crucial issues boosting
[00:14:43] boosting UK growth and controlling
[00:14:47] controlling illegal immigration on
[00:14:49] on the table is a trade deal on food
[00:14:53] food and drink products, a deal on
[00:14:55] on emissions trading. Progress towards
[00:14:59] towards linking our energy systems.
[00:15:00] systems. A new youth experience scheme
[00:15:03] scheme and deeper co-operation on
[00:15:05] on immigration. The summit will also
[00:15:08] also be an opportunity to raise our
[00:15:10] our concerns about Made in Europe, Europe, and it is clear to me that
[00:15:13] that there is an opportunity to make
[00:15:15] make progress in all of these areas. areas. Together, these deals will
[00:15:18] will add the equivalent of over £10
[00:15:21] £10 billion per year to the UK economy
[00:15:23] economy by 2040, with the potential
[00:15:25] potential to add significantly more.
[00:15:30] more. We should not turn our backs
[00:15:32] backs on this opportunity. Mr Speaker,
[00:15:35] Speaker, and I hope all sides of
[00:15:37] of this House will get behind the
[00:15:40] the government's efforts to land
[00:15:42] land a positive outcome. It is a
[00:15:45] a chance to cut costs and bureaucracy
[00:15:48] bureaucracy for sectors like farming.
[00:15:52] farming. At present, entire truckloads
[00:15:54] truckloads of plants or fresh produce produce can be destroyed because
[00:15:57] because of a single missing stamp
[00:15:59] stamp or a minor paperwork delay.
[00:16:02] delay. Fresh meat and fish spoil spoil while waiting in trucks and
[00:16:06] and tonnes of exports have to be
[00:16:07] be written off. Our largest food
[00:16:11] food export, Scottish salmon, faces faces a 100% rate of document checks
[00:16:15] checks at the border, costing us
[00:16:18] us around £100 million in lost exports. exports. British burgers and other
[00:16:21] other fresh meat products cannot
[00:16:24] cannot be sold in the EU. Seed potatoes
[00:16:27] potatoes from Scotland and shellfish
[00:16:28] shellfish from Wales are banned.
[00:16:31] banned. This is having a real impact
[00:16:33] impact on businesses and the agreement
[00:16:35] agreement on the table could reverse
[00:16:37] reverse some of that damage for farmers farmers and food producers. It will
[00:16:41] will lift the burden that can reach
[00:16:46] reach £1,400 on a single shipment
[00:16:48] shipment for our small businesses,
[00:16:50] businesses, it means no more export export health certificates, which
[00:16:54] which can cost up to £200 each time time for households. It will ease
[00:16:58] ease the pressure on prices in the
[00:17:01] the supermarket. It could help lower
[00:17:03] lower energy costs for households
[00:17:05] households and businesses alike in
[00:17:09] in Northern Ireland, the proposed
[00:17:10] proposed energy deal could cut wholesale
[00:17:13] wholesale energy costs by 20%. On
[00:17:16] On immigration we could link up our our law enforcement efforts once
[00:17:19] once again, sharing more data and
[00:17:21] and criminal records of foreign nationals
[00:17:24] nationals as well as faster electronic electronic evidence from the phones
[00:17:28] phones of those behind the gangs.
[00:17:29] gangs. Mr speaker, it is in Britain's
[00:17:32] Britain's interest to secure a deal deal along these lines, and I will
[00:17:35] will work hard over the next five
[00:17:37] five weeks to achieve it. I believe
[00:17:41] believe our chances of doing so will
[00:17:43] will be enhanced by being open to to a discussion about our relationship
[00:17:47] relationship with the EU in the longer
[00:17:50] longer term, if we are serious, if
[00:17:54] if we are serious about promoting
[00:17:57] promoting growth, controlling immigration, immigration, upholding our values
[00:18:00] values and security. It is a conversation
[00:18:05] conversation we must have. Sticking
[00:18:06] Sticking with the status quo is not
[00:18:09] not good enough for Britain. Worse,
[00:18:12] Worse, it would be a major dereliction dereliction of duty to turn away.
[00:18:15] away. We need to take a calm, clear clear eyed, rational look at the
[00:18:18] the world as it is today to consider
[00:18:20] consider what is best for our country,
[00:18:23] country, our immediate priority is is securing a successful outcome
[00:18:26] outcome at the summit, and I believe believe we should then set up a serious
[00:18:30] serious dialogue about the different different options for our relationship
[00:18:32] relationship in the long-term. At
[00:18:34] At every stage the British public
[00:18:37] public will be the boss and I am
[00:18:39] am clear that public opinion currently
[00:18:42] currently supports a pragmatic approach
[00:18:44] approach like the one I am suggesting.
[00:18:47] suggesting. But if we go into this this further phase, we will proceed
[00:18:50] proceed with care and complete transparency.
[00:18:54] transparency. Mr speaker, this is is the leadership we need to draw
[00:18:57] draw a decade to draw a line on a
[00:19:00] a decade of drift and division and
[00:19:02] and take the country forward. Beyond
[00:19:05] Beyond Europe, a confident Britain Britain is ready to play our part
[00:19:08] part on the global stage as we take
[00:19:10] take up the presidency of the G20
[00:19:13] G20 in 2027. I confirmed in New York
[00:19:16] York that we will place AI centre centre stage in our presidency, capturing
[00:19:20] capturing the incredible opportunities opportunities it presents while guarding
[00:19:23] guarding against the risks leading leading voices like the President
[00:19:26] President of Microsoft are saying
[00:19:28] saying Britain is the world leader leader in AI safety, so we are well
[00:19:32] well placed to take on this role role and work towards agreeing a
[00:19:35] a single set of global principles
[00:19:38] principles and standards on AI as
[00:19:41] as part of our G20 presidency year.
[00:19:44] year. Mr speaker, the message to
[00:19:45] to the world is clear Britain is
[00:19:48] is back on so many fronts. We are
[00:19:50] are playing our part and looking looking confidently to the future.
[00:19:53] future. We are leading again so our our country can hope again. And I
[00:19:57] I commend this statement to the House.
[00:20:00] House. There we are. That's the UK
[00:20:03] UK Prime Minister, Andy Burnham, Burnham, and he is saying that there's
[00:20:05] there's going to be a summit, a UK
[00:20:08] UK EU summit in Brussels on November
[00:20:11] November the 20th. And he said together
[00:20:13] together we aim to deepen our co-operation, co-operation, strengthen our resilience,
[00:20:16] resilience, enhance our ability to to tackle shared challenges and promote
[00:20:19] promote stability in Europe and beyond.
[00:20:22] beyond. Andy Burnham, who has said
[00:20:24] said clearly that he thinks Brexit
[00:20:28] Brexit has done more harm than good good and he was saying that he hopes
[00:20:31] hopes to conclude deals at that summit.
[00:20:35] summit. Various trade deals that that would be worth a total to the
[00:20:38] the UK of some £10 billion a year
[00:20:42] year by the year 2040. So we should
[00:20:46] should not shrink, he said. Should Should not turn our back on this
[00:20:50] this opportunity. So Andy Burnham Burnham there just confirming there's
[00:20:52] there's going to be a summit between
[00:20:54] between the UK and the European Union Union on November the 20th. We'll
[00:20:58] We'll have more on that in the coming coming hour. But we'll take a very
[00:21:01] very short break right now around around the world and across the UK UK you're
[00:22:05] the BBC Sport website and app. Hello
[00:22:12] Hello again, you're with BBC News. News. Now we were talking before
[00:22:16] before we went to the British Prime Prime Minister, Andy Burnham, about
[00:22:19] about artificial intelligence and and in particular the President of
[00:22:21] of Microsoft, who says that work work on the regulation of AI needs
[00:22:25] needs to start immediately. Let's Let's go back to our guests that
[00:22:28] that we were talking to before Andy
[00:22:31] Andy Burnham, Gaia Marcus director
[00:22:33] director of the Ada Lovelace Institute,
[00:22:36] Institute, which is works on AI dedicated
[00:22:37] dedicated to making sure that AI
[00:22:40] AI works better for society. And
[00:22:42] And let's just ask you a bit about
[00:22:44] about that issue of regulation, which which is so controversial at the
[00:22:48] the moment. To what extent should should governments should societies
[00:22:51] societies be trying to regulate AI?
[00:22:54] AI? I mean, if AI is safe enough
[00:22:58] enough to be deployed then or advanced advanced enough to be deployed, then
[00:23:01] then I'd say it's advanced enough enough to be regulated. And the UK
[00:23:05] UK public has been really clear over over the past couple of years in
[00:23:08] in our longitudinal surveys that that they would be more comfortable
[00:23:12] comfortable with AI were it regulated. regulated. And in our most recent
[00:23:15] recent polling there were very, very
[00:23:17] very clear that they would put safety
[00:23:20] safety over pace in terms of AI. AI. So as we've just heard from the
[00:23:24] the Prime Minister, if the British British public will be the boss on
[00:23:27] on AI and if we will have a G20 presidency
[00:23:30] presidency where AI is centre stage stage and the UK will lead on both
[00:23:34] both principles and standards, I I think we're really interested to to see what this could look like
[00:23:38] like because at the moment AI is is only regulated on a voluntary
[00:23:42] voluntary basis in the UK, therefore therefore not regulated at all. And
[00:23:45] And this is completely out of step step with any other industry in any
[00:23:48] any other sector. The other side side of that coin though, is is the
[00:23:51] the one that we hear from President President Donald Trump who says,
[00:23:54] says, you know, America is involved
[00:23:57] involved in a pretty brutal race race with China to win the race on
[00:24:01] on who develops AI fastest and first
[00:24:05] first and best, really, and biggest.
[00:24:08] biggest. And he says that regulation
[00:24:10] regulation will just fetter and tie tie down AI companies. What's your
[00:24:14] your view on, on that argument? It's It's a really interesting moment
[00:24:17] moment geopolitically. So the race race dynamic is very much one sided.
[00:24:20] sided. And coming from the US and and US companies and it's based on
[00:24:24] on this idea that they are rushing
[00:24:26] rushing to this concept of AGI or or ASI, artificial superintelligence.
[00:24:30] superintelligence. And it's based based on the premise that you need
[00:24:32] need more data, more more energy,
[00:24:35] energy, more inputs. And eventually eventually you'll have this, you
[00:24:39] you know, artificial artificial intelligence. intelligence. No one can quite agree
[00:24:41] agree on what it is in practice. practice. The way AI is being developed
[00:24:45] developed in China is actually quite quite different. They're more of of a fast follower. There's a lot
[00:24:48] lot more focus on products and also
[00:24:51] also there is a lot of regulation regulation AI in China. It's just
[00:24:55] just differently applied. So I think think it's really important that that when we talk about what we want
[00:24:58] want in the UK, the question that that the UK government and indeed
[00:25:01] indeed the question for any government government is what are the technical
[00:25:05] technical futures that our publics publics would like and are we setting
[00:25:07] setting the conditions in place such such that we get to those futures?
[00:25:11] futures? And the UK public has been been very clear on this. This means
[00:25:13] means regulation. This means an independent independent regulator. It means safety
[00:25:17] safety over speed. And just in a a few seconds do you think we're
[00:25:20] we're likely to get that regulation regulation quite soon in the UK?
[00:25:24] UK? I mean today is a really interesting interesting move right? So today's
[00:25:27] today's announcement is a step forward. forward. But in reality it commits commits the government to very little.
[00:25:31] little. You know we have stronger stronger protections considered strengthening
[00:25:35] strengthening cyber bill explored explored new mis reporting looked
[00:25:38] looked at no new regulatory power, power, no timetable and no obligation
[00:25:41] obligation on AI developers. So it it remains to be seen where from
[00:25:45] from the ambitions we're hearing hearing from the Prime Minister and and what we're hearing for the AI
[00:25:49] AI minister will happen in, in actuality. actuality. All right. Gaia Marcus,
[00:25:53] Marcus, thank you so much for being being with us, director of the Ada
[00:25:56] Ada Lovelace Institute. Thank you you very much for your time and for for being on BBC News. We're going
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