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[00:00:14] MUSIC These These are the latest headlines from
[00:00:17] from BBC News. Ukraine's President President Zelensky says Russia hit
[00:00:19] hit a power plant in Ukraine immediately
[00:00:23] immediately after Donald Trump claimed claimed both sides had agreed to
[00:00:26] to an energy ceasefire. Saudi Arabia Arabia threatens what it calls a
[00:00:29] a serious response to deadly Houthi
[00:00:32] Houthi attacks on Riyadh's international international airport. Flights remain
[00:00:35] remain suspended. The UK Prime Minister, Minister, Andy Burnham, says he'll
[00:00:38] he'll push for new post-Brexit trade trade deals and that the status quo
[00:00:42] quo isn't good enough for Britain. Britain. The BBC investigation reveals
[00:00:46] reveals the world's biggest accountancy accountancy firm helped hide the
[00:00:49] the wealth of the former Chelsea
[00:00:51] Chelsea football Club owner Roman
[00:00:54] Roman Abramovich. A major cyber attack
[00:00:57] attack has caused hundreds of supermarket supermarket fridges and freezers
[00:00:59] freezers to malfunction in France, France, with millions of pounds worth
[00:01:03] worth of food lost after temperatures
[00:01:06] temperatures rose to 50 Celsius.
[00:01:13] Celsius. You're watching the context
[00:01:14] context on BBC News, a BBC investigation
[00:01:17] investigation has revealed the world's world's biggest accountancy firm
[00:01:21] firm helped in falsifying documents documents in order to hide the former
[00:01:23] former Chelsea football club owner
[00:01:25] owner Roman Abramovich's wealth. wealth. BBC Panorama has uncovered
[00:01:29] uncovered hundreds of documents that that were backdated by the Russian
[00:01:33] Russian billionaires advisers. Many Many were drawn up with the help
[00:01:35] help of Deloitte. Roman Abramovich Abramovich denies any wrongdoing.
[00:01:39] wrongdoing. Deloitte says it complies complies with applicable laws. Richard
[00:01:43] Richard Bilton reports. Things have
[00:01:47] have changed for Roman Abramovich. Abramovich. If you want to find him
[00:01:50] him and some of his wealth, you have
[00:01:51] have to travel a long way from Stamford
[00:01:55] Stamford Bridge at an industrial industrial harbour in Turkey. His
[00:01:58] His pride and joy, the eclipse and
[00:02:01] and next door. Another Roman Abramovich
[00:02:05] Abramovich superyacht. This is the
[00:02:08] the Solaris. So in this small Turkish Turkish harbour there's two of the
[00:02:11] the biggest private yachts in the the world. But their days of sailing
[00:02:15] sailing the high seas, they're on
[00:02:18] on hold. Mr Abramovich has been sanctioned
[00:02:21] sanctioned by the UK and the EU,
[00:02:23] EU, but not by Turkey. So this is
[00:02:26] is a safe haven. We've been investigating
[00:02:30] investigating a data leak that comes comes from another country that Mr
[00:02:33] Mr Abramovich used. Cyprus. Working
[00:02:38] Working with the Bureau of Investigative Investigative Journalism, Panorama
[00:02:41] Panorama has seen hundreds of documents documents that have been falsified
[00:02:45] falsified and backdated by his Cypriot Cypriot advisers. What we appear
[00:02:49] appear to have here is a fiddle factory
[00:02:51] factory in a fiddle factory. You You fiddle the transactions, you
[00:02:55] you backdate them and that is what
[00:02:58] what appears to have been happening
[00:03:00] happening here regularly. The backdated backdated documents made it look
[00:03:03] look like some of his Cypriot companies companies didn't own his wealth so
[00:03:07] so they could conceal his fortune
[00:03:09] fortune and evade paying tax on it.
[00:03:12] it. The evidence suggests that Deloitte, Deloitte, the world's biggest accountancy
[00:03:16] accountancy firm, was also involved.
[00:03:20] involved. Mr Abramovich may have
[00:03:22] have evaded millions in tax. Everyone
[00:03:27] Everyone responsible for that must must pay the price. Do you think
[00:03:31] think Cyprus should go after Roman
[00:03:33] Roman Abramovich? If there is enough
[00:03:37] enough evidence, of course. Roman
[00:03:40] Roman Abramovich's lawyers say he
[00:03:42] he denies he evaded tax or concealed
[00:03:44] concealed his fortune. They say he he was not involved in the day to
[00:03:48] to day operations and that the BBC BBC has provided no evidence that
[00:03:52] that he knew of authorised or directed
[00:03:55] directed the falsification or backdating
[00:03:57] backdating of any documents. Deloitte
[00:04:00] Deloitte Cyprus says it's unable unable to comment because the documents
[00:04:03] documents are more than 20 years
[00:04:05] years old and no longer accessible.
[00:04:08] accessible. Richard Bilton, BBC News.
[00:04:11] News. If you're here in the UK you
[00:04:13] you can watch Panorama, Roman Abramovich Abramovich how he hid his fortune
[00:04:17] fortune on the BBC iPlayer now the
[00:04:20] the UK's artificial intelligence intelligence minister has warned
[00:04:23] warned that it's likely, if not inevitable, inevitable, that the country's cyber
[00:04:26] cyber defences will at some point point be breached. Recent incidents
[00:04:30] incidents across the world, including including the hacking of an Australian Australian Government website, have
[00:04:34] have raised serious concerns about about safety. Marc Cieslak reports.
[00:04:38] reports. That is why the Prime Minister Minister at London's Imperial College,
[00:04:41] College, the UK AI minister, spoke spoke about the need to strengthen
[00:04:45] strengthen resilience to AI powered powered threats. It seems likely,
[00:04:48] likely, if not inevitable, that our
[00:04:50] our own cyber defences will be breached.
[00:04:54] breached. Our National Cyber Security Security Centre has warned that AI
[00:04:57] AI will almost certainly make elements elements of cyber intrusion more
[00:05:01] more effective, more efficient. This, This, alongside two pilot schemes
[00:05:04] schemes using the technology to identify identify weaknesses in government
[00:05:08] government systems. But talk of new new safety regulation was thin on
[00:05:11] on the ground at a time when, unusually,
[00:05:14] unusually, some industry figures
[00:05:16] figures are calling for more. Remember
[00:05:19] Remember right now your washing machine
[00:05:20] machine is subject to more safety safety rules than AI. Every carton
[00:05:24] carton of milk that you see in the
[00:05:26] the grocery store is subject to safety
[00:05:30] safety rules and inspection. AI is
[00:05:32] is becoming more powerful, more autonomous, autonomous, and harder to predict.
[00:05:36] predict. In recent months, we've
[00:05:37] we've seen advanced AI models circumvent
[00:05:41] circumvent safeguards as well as as try and deceive the people evaluating
[00:05:44] evaluating them. This raises tough tough questions for the government
[00:05:48] government are voluntary promises promises from AI developers enough
[00:05:51] enough to keep us safe? The UK's
[00:05:54] UK's AI Safety Institute plays a a key role in reducing the risks
[00:05:58] risks posed by this technology, but but its efforts to assess powerful
[00:06:01] powerful AI models have been hampered
[00:06:03] hampered after the White House blocked blocked Anthropic and Google from
[00:06:06] from submitting new AI models to
[00:06:09] to UK scrutiny. It's since allowed
[00:06:11] allowed access after government intervention. intervention. So does this undermine
[00:06:15] undermine Britain's AI safety efforts? efforts? Notwithstanding the fact
[00:06:19] fact that over 15 years Britain didn't didn't build these technologies, technologies, the fact that we can
[00:06:23] can keep the British public safer safer by accessing is testament to
[00:06:26] to the fact that the United States States labs and companies right across
[00:06:30] across the world tell us that they they want the collaboration of AI
[00:06:34] AI security because it's so good good and because it's so capable.
[00:06:37] capable. After news today that East East Midlands Police won't be renewing
[00:06:40] renewing its contract with controversial controversial US tech firm Palantir,
[00:06:44] Palantir, calls will likely increase increase for more government support
[00:06:47] support of technology controlled controlled and developed on these
[00:06:51] these shores. Marc Cieslak, BBC News.
[00:06:54] News. Max Corbridge is a former ethical
[00:06:57] ethical hacker and now CEO and co-founder
[00:06:59] co-founder of AI safety company Secure Secure a Genetics Max, welcome. First
[00:07:03] First of all, what is an ethical ethical hacker? For those who don't
[00:07:07] don't know. For those that don't don't know, it's essentially finding
[00:07:10] finding the vulnerabilities in systems systems and organisations before before the real bad hackers do. And
[00:07:14] And you get paid to go and have a a lot of fun finding those vulnerabilities.
[00:07:17] vulnerabilities. Thank you very much.
[00:07:19] much. Why is AI so mildly regulated?
[00:07:24] regulated? It's such a tricky technology technology that we've never really really had to deal with, primarily
[00:07:27] primarily because we don't really really know how it works under the the hood. A lot of this has happened
[00:07:30] happened in its own self-learning self-learning and understand that that now we don't have the ability
[00:07:34] ability to fully understand the technology, technology, how it works and indeed indeed it's moving so fast. It's
[00:07:38] It's so tricky to put regulation, regulation, which is a slow moving
[00:07:41] moving vehicle around something that that is just so rapidly changing.
[00:07:43] changing. So how do we do it? Well,
[00:07:46] Well, it's going to take a cross cross section of both industry calling
[00:07:50] calling out for the regulation themselves. themselves. The pledge recently to
[00:07:53] to self-regulate as well in the absence absence of regulation having the
[00:07:56] the ability to catch up. But at the the same time, the understanding
[00:07:59] understanding that ultimately many many mature sectors like looking looking at aviation, for example,
[00:08:03] example, are regulated. It takes takes time and it takes sometimes sometimes a big incident for things
[00:08:06] things to go wrong before regulators regulators do step in. But ultimately ultimately this needs to be a combination
[00:08:10] combination of both as well as the the leaders across several different different economies around the world
[00:08:14] world to get behind this and put put their power behind the regulation regulation as well. Microsoft President
[00:08:18] President Brad Smith has said that that there need to be global safety
[00:08:22] safety rules in place. I mean, that that seems really unachievable. Can
[00:08:25] Can you ever see it happening? I
[00:08:29] I hope so. I mean at the moment I I would say the two sort of superpowers
[00:08:32] superpowers that we really need to to align would be the US and China. China. I think that's where we're
[00:08:35] we're seeing a lot of differences differences in how they're approaching approaching regulation. And that that would be a good place to start.
[00:08:39] start. But we've also seen even within within just San Francisco, differences
[00:08:43] differences in how people want to, to, you know, react to regulation
[00:08:46] regulation and their appetite for for it. So even aligning a couple
[00:08:49] couple of the big names in the US, US, for example, is tricky, let alone
[00:08:52] alone on the global scale. But that that ultimately is what we need for for a technology like this, which
[00:08:55] which has global impacts. How would
[00:08:59] would small AI companies cope if
[00:09:01] if regulation were put in place without without it stifling innovation when
[00:09:05] when they haven't got the sort of of the resources to throw at complying
[00:09:09] complying with regulation that some some of the big players have? So
[00:09:13] So I'd say this is really where the the regulation sort of split down down the middle. It's for those who
[00:09:16] who are creating the AI of which which there are only handful. Given Given the pure costs that it takes.
[00:09:20] takes. And that's really where a a lot of the risk comes in. And I I would say that's where the majority
[00:09:24] majority of the regulation that people people are demanding goes, because because that's where the frontier
[00:09:27] frontier is. It's where the new next next level of models are coming from. from. And that's really what the
[00:09:31] the risk that's getting everyone everyone scared at the moment is
[00:09:33] is that the pace of change when it it comes to the regulations that,
[00:09:36] that, you know, you and I and regular regular enterprises are facing, they
[00:09:39] they are much more restricted and and much more palatable versus those
[00:09:42] those that were looking to put in in place around the Frontier Labs.
[00:09:45] Labs. Max Corbridge from Secure Genetics. Genetics. Thank you for talking to
[00:09:48] to us. Thank you. Around the world
[00:09:51] world and across the UK.
[00:10:54] Security Brief live with an audience
[00:10:54] audience here on BBC News. German
[00:11:03] German police have arrested two Turkish Turkish citizens suspected of setting
[00:11:06] setting fire to a Starlink communications communications station in Poland. Poland. The Polish Prime Minister
[00:11:10] Minister called the attack last month month an act of hybrid warfare. Other
[00:11:14] Other officials said that they had had no doubt that Russia was behind
[00:11:17] behind the sabotage. The Starlink Starlink satellite network provides
[00:11:20] provides crucial communications for for the Ukrainian military. It's
[00:11:22] It's an issue our team on The Security Security Brief have been covering covering extensively, and tonight
[00:11:26] tonight they've been hosting a special special live episode in front of
[00:11:29] of a studio audience. Christian Fraser Fraser and Mikey Kay were joined joined by Fiona Hill, who is deputy
[00:11:33] deputy assistant to President Trump Trump in his first term, advising
[00:11:36] advising him on relations with Russia. Russia. They asked whether President
[00:11:39] President Putin intends to attack attack Europe. Well, he's already
[00:11:43] already attacking Europe. Let's face face it. You've just talked about about it earlier about all the acts
[00:11:46] acts of sabotage. And the Associated Associated Press has created a map,
[00:11:50] map, in fact, that shows I think
[00:11:52] think it's like 50 to 54 or so acts
[00:11:54] acts of sabotage that can be pretty pretty clearly attributed to Russia.
[00:11:57] Russia. I think we can put that on,
[00:11:59] on, on screen. Actually, I think
[00:12:02] think we have a map that shows you you some of the hybrid threats. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, no doubt the BBC has
[00:12:06] has done this as well. But I'm saying. saying. No no no but a lot of these
[00:12:09] these a lot of these are in are in in the last month. I mean the graph
[00:12:12] graph and the spike, the. Attacks Attacks on the Dutch railway for
[00:12:16] for example, you've had Vilnius Airport Airport in Lithuania. You've had
[00:12:20] had Leipzig in Germany. And of course course we've had, you know, former
[00:12:23] former Prime Minister Keir Starmer's Starmer's flat getting attacked in
[00:12:26] in an act of arson. So you've got got from one range to another. And
[00:12:30] And as you've already worried, you you know, what is the risk now of
[00:12:33] of a really catastrophic attack. attack. And a lot of people say,
[00:12:37] say, well, you know, we're far from from that. Look, think back. This
[00:12:39] This war in Ukraine has been going
[00:12:42] going on since Vladimir Putin annexed annexed Crimea back in 2014. And
[00:12:46] And indeed, we have had a catastrophic catastrophic hybrid attack, even
[00:12:49] even a direct attack. Mh17, the Malaysian
[00:12:52] Malaysian airline that was brought
[00:12:53] brought down over Ukraine, the by
[00:12:57] by a missile system. They thought thought they were bringing down a
[00:13:00] a military transport or some kind kind of freight plane. But in actual...
[00:13:06] And they brought down a passenger flight. There are so many
[00:13:09] many ways in which something could could go badly wrong. We've thought thought about we've worried about
[00:13:13] about DHL, FedEx. We've had cyber cyber attacks in any case on NHS
[00:13:17] NHS and on all kinds of other public public entities. The non Pezeshkian
[00:13:20] Pezeshkian cyber attack that happened, happened, you know, several years
[00:13:23] years ago that was attributed to to Russia. So we're only just one
[00:13:27] one step away all the time. The intent intent is clear and it's just really
[00:13:30] really the means of that delivery. delivery. So we've just spoken about
[00:13:33] about hybrid warfare and maybe we we can bring the incidents up again.
[00:13:37] again. Incidentally September there there were over 50 which is one of
[00:13:40] of the highest months for a long long time. What is he trying to achieve
[00:13:43] achieve with the hybrid component? component? Well, there's multiple multiple things. I mean, first of
[00:13:46] of all, he would just love everyone everyone to panic. And then basically
[00:13:49] basically said, well, look, we've we've got a we've got to stop supporting supporting Ukraine. I mean, there's
[00:13:53] there's a very clear intent there there that he would like us all to to stop. I mean, he would like us
[00:13:57] us not to have programmes like this this to be talking about this quite quite so openly. He wants us all
[00:14:00] all to cease and desist. He would would like stew not to be developing developing these drones. He'd like
[00:14:04] like you two to go away and, you you know, stop having programmes
[00:14:08] programmes about this. And his hope
[00:14:10] hope is that he will deter publics
[00:14:12] publics in the UK and elsewhere from from actually taking any further
[00:14:15] further steps in support. He wants wants Ukraine to be left alone so
[00:14:19] so that he can finish off the job job that he tried to start in February
[00:14:22] February of 2022. Do you think we we should be having a conversation? conversation? Each and every one
[00:14:25] one of us about this threat at home?
[00:14:29] home? We should be because, you know, know, the whole point is that we're
[00:14:31] we're also bombarded by psychological psychological warfare all the time.
[00:14:34] time. We don't even think about it.
[00:14:35] it. I mean, one of the most recent recent attacks on Yandex, you've
[00:14:39] you've already seen a diminution diminution in a lot of the you know,
[00:14:43] know, the propaganda, the bots out out there who are all trying to interfere
[00:14:46] interfere in everything from the the US mid-terms to, you know, what's
[00:14:49] what's happening here. We had Andy Andy Burnham, the Prime Minister, Minister, come out and talk about
[00:14:53] about the evidence that Russia had had tried to interfere in Brexit.
[00:14:55] Brexit. There are so many elections
[00:14:57] elections coming up in the United United States, local elections, you
[00:15:00] you know, here, there and everywhere. everywhere. The French presidential presidential elections coming up
[00:15:04] up where Russia's been playing a a role to try to divide publics.
[00:15:07] publics. So we have to just understand, understand, look, this is what he's he's trying to do. He's trying to
[00:15:11] to pit us against each other and and not stand so that we can't stand stand in support of what's happening.
[00:15:15] happening. I just want to say that
[00:15:17] that if you want to know more information,
[00:15:19] information, Fiona's got a book coming coming out on resilience. Which will
[00:15:22] will take a much deeper dive than than what you see tonight. How do
[00:15:26] do you respond to state terrorism terrorism like that from a nuclear
[00:15:30] nuclear power when clearly war is is off the table and the United States
[00:15:33] States is unpicking the sanctions? sanctions? Well, look, we have to
[00:15:37] to understand that we've also been been there before. So what Putin
[00:15:40] Putin is banking on is that we've we've all kind of forgotten that
[00:15:42] that in our past sometimes in our our fairly recent past, we've experienced
[00:15:46] experienced a lot of these kinds kinds of episodes. And he's sort
[00:15:48] sort of banking on the fact that that we will act as if this is the
[00:15:52] the first time that anything has has ever happened. This is not exactly
[00:15:55] exactly the same instance. But you you know, I'm certainly old enough enough and I'm thinking some of the
[00:15:59] the people in the audience might might be old enough to remember, remember, you know, the troubles
[00:16:02] troubles in Ireland where you had had you know, you mentioned already
[00:16:05] already IEDs, improvised explosive explosive devices. That was the largest
[00:16:08] largest bombing campaign in history history by the Ira before, you know,
[00:16:11] know, we've got into this kind of of activity now. It wasn't state
[00:16:15] state sponsored terrorism per se, se, but we had to have a totally totally different mindset. I mean,
[00:16:19] mean, they took out the downtown downtown Manchester. There were bombing
[00:16:22] bombing attacks all the way across across London, and now we've got
[00:16:25] got a state sponsored operation.
[00:16:27] operation. We've got an actor who
[00:16:29] who wants to do these kinds of actions
[00:16:32] actions and who is quite willing willing to do it, and we need to
[00:16:35] to realise and take on board that that that is a franchise and enfranchise
[00:16:39] enfranchise them. And anybody who's who's disaffected has got a grievance. grievance. This is where the politics
[00:16:42] politics comes in. He can exploit exploit people who feel disaffected. disaffected. You know, we've had
[00:16:45] had all kinds of polling. You've You've done them yourselves here
[00:16:49] here at the BBC where people are are very sceptical about the idea
[00:16:52] idea of defence. They think that that this is offence. This is you you know, we're courting war, you
[00:16:56] you know, what is it that we're trying trying to fight against here? This
[00:16:59] This is not our conflict in Ukraine. Ukraine. Why are we spending so much much money? And he's feeding into
[00:17:03] into that as well. Which brings us
[00:17:04] us to clarity of policy. Obviously,
[00:17:07] Obviously, you spend a lot of time time in Washington. You were inside
[00:17:10] inside the White House. We have five,
[00:17:12] five, maybe six Republican senators,
[00:17:14] senators, senators now openly challenging challenging Trump over this latest
[00:17:18] latest diesel policy. We have Witkoff
[00:17:20] Witkoff and Kushner, the two US envoys envoys reportedly negotiating side
[00:17:24] side deals on oil and gas before
[00:17:25] before a deal has been done. Do you
[00:17:28] you think if the Democrats were to to win the House and who knows, maybe
[00:17:31] maybe the Senate as well, that policy
[00:17:34] policy in Washington towards Russia
[00:17:36] Russia would change. It will to some some extent, probably with the rhetoric
[00:17:40] rhetoric and, you know, some of the the atmospherics. But look, it's
[00:17:43] it's been a long time since in the the United States there's been this
[00:17:45] this desire to pick Europe out of of yet another conflict. You know,
[00:17:49] know, the whole narrative in the the United States is that the US
[00:17:51] US had to rescue Europe not once once but twice in the 20th century
[00:17:55] century from major European land land wars. And I've always said and
[00:17:58] and I took part in the UK Strategic Strategic Defence Review, you know,
[00:18:01] know, back a year or so ago that that no matter what we were looking
[00:18:05] looking at, whichever government government had come into power in
[00:18:08] in 2024, you'd be looking for a US US that there wasn't the appetite appetite as there had been before
[00:18:11] before to be taking the lead. So So no matter what we're looking at,
[00:18:15] at, we'd still be expecting Europe, Europe, the UK and all the European
[00:18:19] European partners to still be stepping stepping up here. So although that that would certainly be a change
[00:18:22] change in rhetoric and one would would hope that they would cancel cancel immediately some of these
[00:18:25] these diesel and other deals that that would hopefully be less corruption corruption because look, I'm sorry,
[00:18:28] sorry, this is a lot of self-serving self-serving behaviour on the part part of Trump and the people around
[00:18:32] around him. It's about him. It's It's about his fears, about the mid-terms. mid-terms. It's about enrichment
[00:18:36] enrichment of him and his family. family. This has got very little little to do with Ukraine, let's
[00:18:39] let's be honest about it. And I think think we'd see, for example, a lot
[00:18:43] lot less of that, but we would still still see a great deal of reluctance
[00:18:45] reluctance on the part of the United United States, not the public. There
[00:18:48] There is support for helping Ukraine, Ukraine, but still there is not that
[00:18:51] that desire to be in the lead on on this one. Fiona, I just want to
[00:18:55] to play some footage. Just a warning warning for the audience and for
[00:18:58] for the viewers at home. It is graphic.
[00:19:01] graphic. So if you want to turn away, away, please take a moment to do
[00:19:05] do so. Let's just play that. This
[00:19:07] This is Yuri. He's a vegetable vendor vendor in Kherson who thankfully
[00:19:11] thankfully thankfully survived this
[00:19:12] this drone attack. The Ukrainians
[00:19:15] Ukrainians call this sickly drone drone safari and it's a sport for for the Russians. And they actually
[00:19:19] actually place this kind of footage
[00:19:21] footage online. Fiona, is this to to become a reality for the rest
[00:19:25] rest of us here in Europe? And if if it is, how do we prepare for that?
[00:19:28] that? Well, look, it's already been been a reality. We have a bus driver
[00:19:31] driver in Leipzig at the airport airport who was warned by his passengers
[00:19:35] passengers that there was a drone drone and he got out of the bus and and he pulled down the drone with
[00:19:39] with his bare hands. I mean, poetry poetry there wasn't really getting getting a chance to do that. I mean,
[00:19:42] mean, there's other I don't think think there's obviously footage of of it. There's a fantastic and amazing
[00:19:46] amazing story of a young boy in Ukraine Ukraine who's told by a soldier that
[00:19:50] that he can disable a drone by pulling pulling on the fibre optic cable.
[00:19:53] cable. As you were mentioning, the the fibre optic drones before. And
[00:19:56] And a few days later he sees just
[00:19:59] just that kind of drone heading towards towards his own neighbourhood and
[00:20:03] and he gets and pulls the drone down down and gets it out of the sky.
[00:20:06] sky. And look, I'm afraid we're going going to have to be vigilant in the
[00:20:09] the way that we have been in the the past. And you know, we can talk talk about this. I don't actually
[00:20:12] actually think people will panic panic in the way that there is an an assumption that's the case either
[00:20:16] either by Vladimir Putin or anyone anyone else about just levelling levelling with it. We've had to do
[00:20:19] do these kinds of things in the past. past. People have to be vigilant. vigilant. You know, we've got all
[00:20:23] all kinds of natural disasters and and catastrophes where we might have
[00:20:25] have to, you know, step up. I think think that, you know, British people people in particular have shown that
[00:20:29] that there is an if there is an emergency, emergency, they step up. And in fact,
[00:20:32] fact, in polling by YouGov another another polls when people are asked,
[00:20:36] asked, would you stand by your neighbours neighbours and help out in an emergency? emergency? The vast majority of people
[00:20:40] people say yes, and if you were just,
[00:20:42] just, you know, walking past that,
[00:20:44] that, that vegetable stall you saw saw Yuri in danger and you're a passer-by
[00:20:48] passer-by the chances are you would would actually go and do something. something. I think it's a pretty
[00:20:52] pretty strong bet he didn't have have anyone around him at that time. time. But people don't just step
[00:20:55] step up and stand back when they they see something like that happening,
[00:20:58] happening, when it's right in front front of them. You can watch the the rest of that interview with Fiona
[00:21:02] Fiona and the special live episode
[00:21:04] episode of The Security Brief on
[00:21:07] on YouTube and the BBC iPlayer.
[00:21:21] Africa Enterprise sponsored by Absa
[00:21:21] Absa Group. MUSIC
[00:21:33] I've come to Cassava
[00:21:34] Technologies Data Factory in Johannesburg
[00:21:38] Johannesburg a next generation data
[00:21:39] data centre built to process AI.
[00:21:42] AI. It plugs into a 110,000km fibre
[00:21:47] fibre optic network stretching from
[00:21:48] from Cairo to Cape Town. For decades,
[00:21:53] decades, much of Africa's digital digital traffic has bounced through
[00:21:56] through Europe. Infrastructure like
[00:21:58] like this gives the continent digital
[00:22:01] digital control. But as the world
[00:22:04] world enters the AI revolution, what
[00:22:06] what will give Africa the competitive
[00:22:10] competitive edge? The ambition for
[00:22:16] for us is to build a digital infrastructure
[00:22:20] infrastructure and AI compute platform.
[00:22:21] platform. We are focused on five
[00:22:24] five of Africa's biggest markets,
[00:22:26] markets, South Africa being one.
[00:22:29] one. Kenya is the other one. Nigeria.
[00:22:33] Nigeria. Egypt and Morocco. And each
[00:22:36] each of these countries act as regional
[00:22:40] regional hubs on which satellite satellite countries around them can
[00:22:42] can be able to hook on to the AI AI factories that we're building.
[00:22:46] building. What is missing that you you were trying to build? Africa
[00:22:49] Africa still accounts for only 1%
[00:22:52] 1% of the global data centre population.
[00:22:55] population. And when you look at
[00:22:57] at our GDP of $3.5 trillion, that's
[00:23:01] that's a very small number. You've You've been a champion of keeping.
[00:23:05] keeping. African data inside African African data centres as a way to
[00:23:09] to achieve digital sovereignty. Why
[00:23:13] Why is that important? If we don't
[00:23:15] don't have our own AI compute solutions solutions in our own digital infrastructure
[00:23:19] infrastructure on the continent, continent, we are repeating exactly
[00:23:22] exactly the same pattern that we've
[00:23:23] we've seen over the years. You know,
[00:23:27] know, produce coffee, sell the green
[00:23:29] green beans, go and put others to
[00:23:32] to work. We've done it with cocoa. cocoa. We've done it with minerals.
[00:23:36] minerals. The data sits here with
[00:23:38] with us. It doesn't have to be exported.
[00:23:41] exported. The opportunity is hiding hiding in plain sight. The models
[00:23:45] models that we're using today, they they have scrapped every piece of
[00:23:49] of information that's available on on the internet. But what they don't
[00:23:53] don't have is the information that that sits inside a mining company
[00:23:56] company in South Africa who have
[00:23:59] have been mining platinum or gold
[00:24:01] gold for the last 30 years. You know,
[00:24:03] know, those models don't have the
[00:24:06] the information on the biggest referral referral hospital in South Africa
[00:24:09] Africa or in Uganda or in Kenya or
[00:24:11] or in Zimbabwe. All of that data
[00:24:13] data that we own is the opportunity.
[00:24:16] opportunity. Do you think that the
[00:24:18] the AI revolution and what will come
[00:24:20] come out of Africa's AI factories factories is going to be as significant
[00:24:24] significant as the mobile money revolution?
[00:24:26] revolution? AI is is, in my view,
[00:24:29] view, about amplifying human capacity capacity and amplifying what we can
[00:24:32] can do as long as we're imaginative.
[00:24:36] imaginative. So so where the mobile
[00:24:37] mobile money revolution was about
[00:24:40] about bringing the previously excluded
[00:24:43] excluded into the financial ecosystem,
[00:24:46] ecosystem, AI is about bringing everybody
[00:24:50] everybody else who was excluded by
[00:24:52] by virtue of language. If you think think about the challenges around
[00:24:55] around Stem education, you're asking
[00:24:58] asking a child to first learn a foreign
[00:25:01] foreign language in order for them
[00:25:02] them to understand a subject. Why
[00:25:05] Why not cut that piece out? That
[00:25:09] That is now possible with AI, I think
[00:25:12] think we're talking about 100 X impact
[00:25:14] impact compared to what mobile
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