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[00:00:13] I'm Caitriona Perry in Washington and this is BBC World
[00:00:17] World News America. Russia hammers
[00:00:20] hammers Ukraine for another night night as Ukraine's president vows
[00:00:23] vows retaliation if Russian strikes
[00:00:24] strikes on the country's energy grid
[00:00:27] grid continue. The BBC goes inside
[00:00:30] inside Yemen as Saudi backed government government forces work to regain
[00:00:33] regain control of coastal land from from the Houthis as the ongoing war
[00:00:37] war takes a toll on the population.
[00:00:40] population. This whole area has just
[00:00:42] just been retaken by pro-government pro-government forces. They captured
[00:00:46] captured it at about three days ago.
[00:00:48] ago. Until then, the Houthis were
[00:00:50] were in control here. US Congresswoman
[00:00:54] Congresswoman Ilhan Omar condemns condemns the raid on her home, believed
[00:00:56] believed to be part of an ongoing
[00:01:00] ongoing federal criminal investigation.
[00:01:12] Hello. You're very welcome to
[00:01:15] the programme. Well, let's start start in the Ukrainian capital because
[00:01:18] because as we go to air, Kyiv is
[00:01:20] is facing yet another night of deadly
[00:01:23] deadly Russian air strikes. Local Local officials say one person has
[00:01:26] has been killed in a strike on an an apartment block. It's unclear,
[00:01:29] unclear, though, just how many have have been injured. We heard from
[00:01:32] from one Ukrainian MP who had just
[00:01:34] just left an emergency shelter. We
[00:01:37] We had like four ballistic missile missile strikes. Unfortunately, we
[00:01:40] we had to leave this office, but
[00:01:41] but now things feel relatively safe.
[00:01:44] safe. But relatively safe is always
[00:01:46] always quite relative. Well, this this is just the latest development
[00:01:50] development in what's been a tense tense and uncertain 48 hours. On
[00:01:54] On Saturday, President Trump appeared appeared to unilaterally announce
[00:01:57] announce an energy ceasefire had had been agreed between Russia and
[00:02:00] and Ukraine. President Zelensky said
[00:02:02] said he would support it but accused
[00:02:04] accused Russia of attacking six energy energy facilities less than 24 hours
[00:02:08] hours after that deal was announced.
[00:02:11] announced. This was in Kharkiv neighbourhood neighbourhood that residents think
[00:02:14] think was destined for its power
[00:02:16] power station. Now these strikes, strikes, said President Volodymyr
[00:02:20] Volodymyr Zelensky, were Putin's Putin's answer to President Trump.
[00:02:22] Trump. There's been no confirmation confirmation from the Kremlin of
[00:02:25] of any agreement relating to a ceasefire, ceasefire, and the Russian foreign
[00:02:29] foreign minister said Ukraine doesn't doesn't deserve any respite. Now
[00:02:33] Now on Monday, the Ukrainian leader leader told the Warsaw Security Forum
[00:02:36] Forum that Kyiv would retaliate if
[00:02:38] if Russian strikes on the country's
[00:02:40] country's energy grid continued.
[00:02:43] continued. It was clear that Putin
[00:02:46] Putin does not read Truth Social.
[00:02:49] Social. Russia is trying to use another
[00:02:52] another winter, another period of
[00:02:54] of cold weather against our country
[00:02:57] country attacking our power plants,
[00:02:59] plants, power grids and all parts
[00:03:02] parts of our energy infrastructure.
[00:03:04] infrastructure. Every single day. day. Well, as President Zelensky
[00:03:08] Zelensky said, there Ukrainians are
[00:03:09] are facing yet another bitterly cold
[00:03:12] cold winter without power. Trump
[00:03:14] Trump should hurry up and put Putin
[00:03:16] Putin in his place instead of pretending
[00:03:18] pretending to be friends. Sorry,
[00:03:20] Sorry, little technical issue there there because the latest wave of
[00:03:24] of strikes on Kyiv's energy grids
[00:03:26] grids have caused new power outages
[00:03:29] outages across three Ukrainian regions. regions. Some of the residents there
[00:03:32] there say President Trump should
[00:03:34] should see first-hand the impact.
[00:03:37] impact. Trump should hurry up and and put Putin in his place instead
[00:03:40] instead of pretending to be friends friends with him. All those phone
[00:03:44] phone calls between them, he should should come here to Ukraine and see
[00:03:48] see our homes, see how badly they've
[00:03:50] they've been destroyed. As a resident resident there, speaking to the BBC
[00:03:54] BBC now, it's unclear whether in in fact an energy cease fire between
[00:03:58] between Russia and Ukraine, if agreed, agreed, could actually hold. But
[00:04:02] But European allies have warned that that Washington's recent diesel agreement
[00:04:05] agreement with Moscow could encourage
[00:04:07] encourage further aggression on Ukraine. Ukraine. Last week, President Trump
[00:04:11] Trump announced that the US would would temporarily ease restrictions
[00:04:14] restrictions on Russian diesel fuel fuel exports. Now this would allow
[00:04:17] allow Russia to supply some diesel
[00:04:19] diesel to US and global markets for
[00:04:22] for the next six months. The US leader leader says it's the right choice
[00:04:26] choice for Americans, but it has has faced intense criticism abroad
[00:04:30] abroad and here at home in the US
[00:04:32] US on Capitol Hill because a bipartisan bipartisan group of seven lawmakers
[00:04:36] lawmakers released a joint statement statement calling on the Trump administration
[00:04:40] administration to reverse course. course. It said in part, the United
[00:04:44] United States should not provide provide Putin with a financial lifeline.
[00:04:46] lifeline. While Russia continues
[00:04:48] continues to kill Ukrainian civilians. civilians. Now, Democratic senator
[00:04:52] senator from New Hampshire, Jeanne Jeanne Shaheen, is the ranking member
[00:04:55] member of the Senate Foreign Relations Relations Committee. She's one of
[00:04:57] of the signatories on that statement. statement. And I spoke to her earlier
[00:05:01] earlier and began by asking her whether
[00:05:04] whether President Trump could, in
[00:05:05] in fact, agree to such a deal on
[00:05:08] on diesel with Russia. Well, Congress
[00:05:10] Congress passed a law in 2022 that
[00:05:13] that said we would not allow the the imports of any Russian fuel.
[00:05:17] fuel. And if for some reason the the administration were thinking
[00:05:20] thinking about it, they needed to to come and consult with Congress. Congress. And if Congress had conditions
[00:05:24] conditions to put on it, then they
[00:05:26] they had to listen to those conditions. conditions. So the reality is they
[00:05:30] they are in violation of that law.
[00:05:33] law. And how can the US proceed with with that deal while at the same
[00:05:37] same time asking other countries countries to step away from Russia
[00:05:41] Russia to not buy Russian oil, even
[00:05:43] even the new powers to levy sanctions
[00:05:45] sanctions under the Lindsey Graham
[00:05:47] Graham law? Well, I don't think the
[00:05:50] the United States, the administration administration should be doing that.
[00:05:52] that. I think the fact is they're they're enabling Vladimir Putin.
[00:05:56] Putin. They're helping him fund the
[00:05:58] the war in Ukraine in a way that
[00:06:01] that is killing thousands of innocent
[00:06:02] innocent civilians. That is not in
[00:06:05] in America's national security interests.
[00:06:07] interests. And that undermines our
[00:06:11] our efforts to combat Russian aggression aggression across this region. For
[00:06:14] For example, I've been in the Western Western Balkans for the last week,
[00:06:18] week, and what I've heard in country country after country that I visited
[00:06:21] visited is the impact of malign Russian
[00:06:25] Russian influence, the misinformation, misinformation, the effort to stir
[00:06:27] stir up ethnic tensions here in the the region and the impact that that's
[00:06:31] that's having. And we should be doing doing everything possible to put
[00:06:35] put pressure on Vladimir Putin to
[00:06:36] to get him to the table because that's
[00:06:40] that's the only way the war in Ukraine Ukraine is going to end is if Putin
[00:06:44] Putin gets serious about negotiating, negotiating, and he's not going to
[00:06:47] to get serious as long as he can
[00:06:49] can persuade Donald Trump and play
[00:06:51] play him, which he has been doing
[00:06:53] doing like a fiddle to help him in
[00:06:56] in every way possible against the
[00:06:59] the Ukrainians. Is there a sense sense where you are there or indeed
[00:07:03] indeed with your congressional colleagues colleagues that the US position is
[00:07:06] is shifting away again from Ukraine
[00:07:09] Ukraine and towards Russia in doing doing this deal and even suggesting
[00:07:12] suggesting that the Ukrainian strikes strikes on Russian energy sources sources are one of the reasons that
[00:07:16] that US oil and gas prices are so
[00:07:19] so high. Well, we are making it very
[00:07:22] very clear, and I think on a bipartisan bipartisan basis in Congress, it's
[00:07:26] it's very clear that it's not the the US position that's shifting away
[00:07:30] away from Ukraine. It's Donald Trump's
[00:07:32] Trump's position and the White House House position that's shifting away
[00:07:35] away from Ukraine. And that, again, again, as I said, is not in America's
[00:07:39] America's interest. What President President Trump is doing is looking
[00:07:43] looking for a scapegoat because he he went to war in Iran. And it's
[00:07:46] it's a war that's not turning out
[00:07:48] out so well. It's driven up prices
[00:07:51] prices on everything from gasoline
[00:07:53] gasoline to energy to groceries in
[00:07:55] in the United States. American families
[00:07:57] families are feeling it. They're They're upset and they're looking
[00:08:01] looking to take it out on the President President come the November elections.
[00:08:04] elections. So he's looking for someone
[00:08:06] someone else to blame when it's his his responsibility and his policy
[00:08:10] policy that went to war in Iran. Iran. He needs to get back to the
[00:08:13] the negotiating table. He needs to to negotiate an end to this war so
[00:08:17] so that prices will stop going up
[00:08:19] up and people will stop being hurt hurt because of his decision. As
[00:08:23] As you said there there's bipartisan
[00:08:26] bipartisan objection to this in Congress. Congress. You've signed a letter letter with some of your Republican
[00:08:30] Republican colleagues calling on on the administration to not go ahead
[00:08:33] ahead with this deal, but is there
[00:08:35] there anything that Congress collectively
[00:08:38] collectively can do to stop it or
[00:08:39] or to change things? Well, I think
[00:08:42] think we'll probably see legal action
[00:08:45] action against this. And, you know, know, the other reality is Russia
[00:08:49] Russia doesn't have excess diesel diesel fuel. Cars are queuing up
[00:08:52] up in long lines in Russia because
[00:08:54] because they don't have enough oil oil and gas in Russia. They don't
[00:08:58] don't have enough diesel fuel because because the Ukrainians have been
[00:09:02] been very successful at taking out
[00:09:05] out their oil and gas infrastructure infrastructure in the country. So
[00:09:08] So the idea that Russia is going going to be able to provide enough
[00:09:11] enough diesel fuel to lower the market
[00:09:13] market price and to do it any time time before November is just pie
[00:09:17] pie in the sky. The President, as
[00:09:19] as I said, is looking for someone
[00:09:21] someone else to blame. Looking for
[00:09:24] for some answer. When people are
[00:09:27] are experiencing the direct result result of his actions in the war
[00:09:30] war in Iran. Senator, I just want want to ask you about something else
[00:09:34] else briefly before you go. And that that is the Houthi strikes that we're
[00:09:37] we're seeing on Saudi Arabia escalating escalating in recent days. The Saudis
[00:09:41] Saudis had asked the US for more more help. They hadn't given it.
[00:09:44] it. But should the administration administration be looking again at
[00:09:47] at that decision? Well, I think the
[00:09:50] the Saudis are being hit very hard
[00:09:53] hard by this war in Iran, not just just by the Houthis and what they're
[00:09:57] they're doing in Yemen, but also also by strikes coming directly from
[00:10:00] from Iran. We know that an American American was killed at the attack
[00:10:04] attack on the airport. So I think think we should be talking to the
[00:10:08] the Saudis about what more support
[00:10:10] support we can provide to them because
[00:10:13] because they are directly being affected
[00:10:17] affected by the result of this war war in Iran that President Trump
[00:10:20] Trump started. US Senator Jeanne Jeanne Shaheen there. Now, back to
[00:10:24] to these. Have said that the US will will receive what they said would
[00:10:27] would be a swift and painful response
[00:10:30] response if it gets involved in that that war in Yemen. The warning comes
[00:10:33] comes as Saudi authorities report report that they've intercepted further
[00:10:36] further Houthi missiles and drones drones on Monday, Riyadh's main international
[00:10:40] international airport will remain remain closed until Saturday after
[00:10:43] after two deadly strikes there in
[00:10:45] in as many days. Our security correspondent,
[00:10:48] correspondent, Frank Gardner reports. reports. A normal day in Riyadh airports
[00:10:52] airports busy departure terminal.
[00:10:55] terminal. Then this with no warning. warning. A Houthi missile fired from
[00:10:58] from Yemen. 13 people killed on Saturday,
[00:11:01] Saturday, hundreds injured. Three
[00:11:03] Three strikes over four days. Saudi
[00:11:06] Saudi air defences penetrated. All
[00:11:08] All this while Saudi Arabia is hosting
[00:11:11] hosting a major international energy
[00:11:12] energy conference. Resilience gives
[00:11:15] gives us the capacity to sustain
[00:11:18] sustain progress and continue shaping
[00:11:21] shaping our future. The events of
[00:11:23] of recent weeks are serious. Our
[00:11:26] Our response must be equally serious
[00:11:29] serious while remaining focus on
[00:11:31] on the decades ahead. But the Houthis
[00:11:36] Houthis have other plans. Responding Responding to recent Saudi air strikes,
[00:11:40] strikes, Yemen's Houthis have launched launched a barrage of missile and
[00:11:43] and drone strikes right across the
[00:11:45] the Saudi kingdom. Saudi Arabia spent
[00:11:49] spent more than $83 billion on defence defence last year. That made them
[00:11:53] them the eighth biggest defence spender
[00:11:55] spender in the world. Over the years, years, they've bought typhoon jets,
[00:11:59] jets, Patriot missiles and third
[00:12:01] third interceptors. So how is it
[00:12:03] it then, that with all of this expensive
[00:12:05] expensive kit, they can't seem to to prevent these devastating Houthi
[00:12:09] Houthi missile strikes? The Houthis Houthis have a mixture of ballistic
[00:12:12] ballistic missiles, cruise missiles missiles and drones that all require
[00:12:15] require a lot of different defences. defences. So you can spend millions millions intercepting weapons that
[00:12:19] that cost a fraction of that. You You can shoot down lots of them,
[00:12:22] them, but you still suffer crippling crippling damage from the ones that that get through. The Saudis can
[00:12:26] can bomb Yemen extensively to try try and stop this, but it's really
[00:12:30] really hard to track down every launcher, launcher, every possible missile
[00:12:33] missile site, every small factory.
[00:12:37] factory. Especially in a country country wracked by its own ongoing
[00:12:41] ongoing conflict forces loyal to to the ousted, internationally recognised
[00:12:44] recognised Yemeni government have have retaken land in places they've
[00:12:48] they've lost it in others. But all
[00:12:50] all the while, Iran is strengthening
[00:12:53] strengthening its hand, ready for for an eventual deal with America.
[00:12:56] America. To end this widening war.
[00:12:59] war. Frank Gardner, BBC News. Let's
[00:13:02] Let's take a closer look at the current current situation in Yemen, because
[00:13:06] because that civil war in Yemen began
[00:13:09] began in 2014 when Houthi fighters fighters backed by Iran, as you heard,
[00:13:12] heard, gained control of the capital
[00:13:14] capital Sana'a. Since 2015, a Saudi
[00:13:16] Saudi led coalition has been trying, trying, with heavy air strikes to
[00:13:19] to restore to power the internationally internationally recognised government.
[00:13:23] government. Now, in recent weeks, weeks, the Houthis have taken over
[00:13:26] over part of the west coast of the
[00:13:28] the country. Although Saudi backed
[00:13:30] backed government forces have since since retaken some of that territory.
[00:13:34] territory. Now our senior international international correspondent Orla
[00:13:37] Orla Guerin reports from the Yemeni Yemeni coast. And just a warning
[00:13:40] warning her report contains distressing
[00:13:43] distressing images. Crossing the
[00:13:46] the desert, a remote battlefield
[00:13:48] battlefield in a civil war that is
[00:13:50] is fast becoming a major regional
[00:13:52] regional threat. We travelled with
[00:13:56] with Yemen's southern forces fighters fighters loyal to the internationally
[00:14:00] internationally recognised government. government. In this landscape of
[00:14:04] of harsh beauty. They have regained
[00:14:07] regained lost ground and took us
[00:14:08] us to see it here. The wreckage of
[00:14:12] of a Houthi drone shot out of the
[00:14:14] the sky. How much damage could this
[00:14:18] this have done? Commander Tawfiq
[00:14:19] Tawfiq Al Haboun says it contained
[00:14:23] contained explosives. And could kill
[00:14:27] kill 10 to 15 people. This whole
[00:14:31] whole area has just been retaken retaken by pro-government forces.
[00:14:35] forces. They captured it about three
[00:14:38] three days ago. Until then, the Houthis Houthis were in control here. They've
[00:14:42] They've been pushed back. And we've we've been told that there are Houthi
[00:14:45] Houthi fighters in position up in in the mountains. About 500 of them.
[00:14:49] them. And since we've been here, here, the forces are keeping an eye
[00:14:52] eye on the sky just to make sure
[00:14:54] sure that there are no more drones
[00:14:56] drones coming. And here, scenes from
[00:14:59] from the battle to retake this territory.
[00:15:04] territory. No military precision
[00:15:06] precision in this desert campaign.
[00:15:09] campaign. Just a loose alliance of of pro-government fighters. Some
[00:15:13] Some of them barefoot. As we left
[00:15:19] left front lines about a mile from
[00:15:21] from the Houthis government reinforcements
[00:15:24] reinforcements were heading in. Along
[00:15:28] Along the way, a tableau of suffering
[00:15:31] suffering for some of those who have
[00:15:33] have fled the fighting. The only
[00:15:36] only shelter is the trees. Aisha
[00:15:38] Aisha tells me she has been here
[00:15:41] here for 30 days with no money, no
[00:15:44] no food and no water. Not even a
[00:15:47] a blanket. Yemen's civil war is casting
[00:15:51] casting a shadow well beyond its
[00:15:53] its borders. The Houthis are a threat
[00:15:56] threat to international shipping shipping and increasingly a threat
[00:16:00] threat to Saudi Arabia. But for their
[00:16:02] their backers in Iran, they provide
[00:16:07] provide leverage in operating rooms
[00:16:08] rooms in the city of Aden. Geopolitics
[00:16:11] Geopolitics feels remote. Night and
[00:16:13] and day, doctors are treating wounded
[00:16:16] wounded fighters. That includes the
[00:16:19] the enemy. This man is a Houthi.
[00:16:22] Houthi. But most here are from the
[00:16:25] the government side. When you get get a real sense here of how fierce
[00:16:28] fierce the fighting is, this hospital
[00:16:31] hospital alone has received 51 wounded
[00:16:34] wounded fighters today. Every bed bed in the intensive care unit is
[00:16:38] is full. They've been arriving with
[00:16:40] with gunshot wounds with shrapnel.
[00:16:43] shrapnel. Some have had limbs amputated. amputated. And the casualties keep
[00:16:46] keep coming. We've been told there
[00:16:47] there are three more on the way.
[00:16:51] way. The battles in Yemen are ebbing
[00:16:54] ebbing and flowing with no clear
[00:16:56] clear victor, but plenty more trauma.
[00:16:59] trauma. For some, the war will always
[00:17:01] always be with them. Some still have
[00:17:05] have their fighting spirit. Like Like Ahmed Ali Mahmoud. He wants
[00:17:09] wants to get back to the front. Despite
[00:17:13] Despite multiple fractures. I'm not
[00:17:18] not waiting to be fully recovered, recovered, he told us. I just want
[00:17:21] want to be able to stand. I think
[00:17:24] think it's a religious duty and a
[00:17:26] a national duty. The Houthis have
[00:17:28] have destroyed the country. In the
[00:17:33] the next ward, Ali, who is 121 year
[00:17:36] year older than Yemen's war. He was
[00:17:38] was injured by a drone and is now
[00:17:41] now facing a complicated surgery.
[00:17:44] surgery. There is shrapnel near his
[00:17:46] his spine, says Doctor Amur Al-sakkaf.
[00:17:49] Al-sakkaf. The operation won't be be easy, but God willing, our staff
[00:17:53] staff will be able to handle it.
[00:17:56] it. But will war follow Ali into
[00:17:59] into adulthood? Orla Guerin, BBC
[00:18:02] BBC News Southern Yemen. Well, let's
[00:18:05] let's talk about the latest developments developments in the region. Now we're we're joined by David Goldwyn, former
[00:18:09] former US special envoy for international international energy affairs, now
[00:18:13] now president of Global Goldwyn Strategies Strategies and chairman of the Atlantic
[00:18:16] Atlantic Council global Energy Centre's Centre's energy advisory group. David, David, thank you very much for joining
[00:18:20] joining us here on BBC News. For
[00:18:23] For much of the world, what's happening happening in Yemen and Saudi Arabia
[00:18:26] Arabia in Iran is about an energy energy crisis, a war without a seeming
[00:18:30] seeming end. But it's also causing causing a major humanitarian crisis.
[00:18:33] crisis. We heard a man saying there there from his hospital bed that
[00:18:36] that the Houthis have destroyed his his country and he has to get back
[00:18:39] back to fight as quickly as he can.
[00:18:45] can. Yes, it's a terrible humanitarian humanitarian crisis that's been going
[00:18:48] going on for quite some time. And And I think the Houthis have been
[00:18:52] been very clear that if the US gets gets further involved in this by
[00:18:56] by directly attacking them, that
[00:18:58] that the casualties could be worse.
[00:19:00] worse. So it is indeed a humanitarian humanitarian crisis as well as an
[00:19:03] an energy crisis. And I think the the key point for energy markets
[00:19:06] markets is it's not one that's quickly quickly likely to be resolved. And
[00:19:09] And just on that point of the US US getting re-involved, I mean, we
[00:19:12] we know the Saudis have asked for for the assistance last month. The
[00:19:16] The US has said no. President Trump Trump says he is considering it again.
[00:19:20] again. How would that change the
[00:19:21] the calculation for what we're seeing?
[00:19:24] seeing? Well, so far the Houthis Houthis have only attacked Saudi
[00:19:27] Saudi shipping. They're not looking looking at other shipping coming
[00:19:30] coming out of the Suez, the Suez Suez Canal, at least at this time.
[00:19:33] time. But the threat is there almost almost anything that goes through through the Bab el Mandeb is capable
[00:19:37] capable of being attacked by by their
[00:19:40] their drones and short-range missiles. missiles. And so so that's the threat
[00:19:43] threat is things could get a lot lot worse and it could be a lot worse
[00:19:46] worse for more than energy for virtually virtually all kinds of shipping.
[00:19:48] shipping. So the US Saudi is an ally,
[00:19:51] ally, but and so providing we provide provide them with a tremendous amount
[00:19:53] amount of arms. So it's not like like they are unsupported by the
[00:19:57] the United States, but the US has has been in and out of this conflict.
[00:20:00] conflict. And without an effective effective diplomatic strategy, all all you're doing is creating more
[00:20:04] more loss of life on both sides. sides. We don't have an effective
[00:20:07] effective strategy right now for for displacing the Houthis or for
[00:20:11] for creating reconciliation in Yemen. Yemen. Nor do we escort ships through
[00:20:14] through the Bab el Mandeb. So the the US is not really well positioned
[00:20:17] positioned to provide security of of shipping far less than it is even
[00:20:21] even in the Strait of Hormuz. And
[00:20:23] And so I think the Houthi message, message, which President Trump is,
[00:20:27] is, is looking at carefully is that that things could get a lot worse,
[00:20:29] worse, both for energy and for other other goods. Well, just on that,
[00:20:32] that, because we're seeing the re-emergence,
[00:20:34] re-emergence, I suppose, of a longstanding
[00:20:37] longstanding conflict between the the Houthis and the Saudis. You're
[00:20:40] You're long, many years studying studying the region. Do you think
[00:20:43] think this escalation is just set
[00:20:45] set to continue? I think it is really
[00:20:48] really these are they're the Houthis Houthis are well entrenched there.
[00:20:51] there. Neither the Yemeni government government nor the Saudis are really
[00:20:54] really capable of dislodging them. them. The UAE was in this fight for
[00:20:58] for a while and decided it was really really ineffective and counterproductive.
[00:21:01] counterproductive. And so they have have pulled out of it. Diplomacy Diplomacy is typically how you would
[00:21:04] would approach this. And so what what we don't really have an effective
[00:21:08] effective diplomatic strategy. We We don't even have very effective effective diplomatic representation representation in the region right
[00:21:12] right now. And so I think force has has to be married with diplomacy.
[00:21:16] diplomacy. And that's missing right right now. It's certainly possible
[00:21:19] possible to have a ceasefire to have have some sort of reconciliation reconciliation in Yemen, but that
[00:21:23] that is far off the administration's administration's diplomatic agenda. agenda. And the Saudis have not been
[00:21:26] been particularly effective at prosecuting prosecuting it for many, many years.
[00:21:30] years. So if the Saudi defences are are stretched, then across those
[00:21:34] those Houthi attacks on oil, on military
[00:21:37] military installations, on transport transport facilities, does that mean mean that energy prices are just
[00:21:40] just going to keep rising? Yes. Sorry
[00:21:43] Sorry to sorry to say, but the reality
[00:21:46] reality is that this kind of volatility volatility where we have, you know,
[00:21:49] know, a roller coaster of attacks attacks on ships, rising insurance
[00:21:52] insurance rates, rising tanker rates, rates, disruption of supply really
[00:21:56] really is the new normal. And the the only way that this gets resolved
[00:21:58] resolved is if we have some sort sort of arrangement in the Strait
[00:22:02] Strait of Hormuz that resolves this this crisis. Now, the President created
[00:22:06] created this by attacking Iran, and and so now he needs a nuclear agreement. agreement. He needs a freedom of
[00:22:10] of navigation agreement, and he needs needs a non-aggression non-aggression
[00:22:14] non-aggression from Iran agreement. agreement. So he's got a lot on his his plate. And it's clear that the
[00:22:17] the Iranians are not going to deal deal in any serious way before the
[00:22:21] the US mid-term elections, nor does does the US have really have an effective
[00:22:25] effective off ramp for Iran right right now. And this is the way this
[00:22:28] this works. I mean, you military military force is very effective,
[00:22:31] effective, but all wars end through through diplomacy. So we have to
[00:22:34] to have a strategy and the US has has to decide whether that's regime
[00:22:38] regime change, which is pretty hard hard to sell to the Iranians, that
[00:22:41] that unconditional surrender is your your off ramp or we have to come
[00:22:45] come up with another diplomatic strategy,
[00:22:47] strategy, one which our Gulf allies allies support, which marries the
[00:22:51] the US threat of force and the blockade
[00:22:54] blockade with some sort of a diplomatic diplomatic solution. We haven't seen
[00:22:57] seen that. And until that happens, happens, Iran is going to continue
[00:23:00] continue to insist on harassing trade trade as best it can in the Strait
[00:23:04] Strait of Hormuz, insisting on getting getting paid as a price of releasing
[00:23:07] releasing that harassment. And it's it's going to tell its allies or
[00:23:11] or supporters like the Houthis and and like some of the militias in
[00:23:14] in Iraq to keep punishing energy energy trade until they get what
[00:23:17] what they want. So until that we we have some effective diplomacy diplomacy to try and address this,
[00:23:21] this, we're going to see this volatility. volatility. And most of the buffers
[00:23:24] buffers that we have had strategic strategic reserves, commercial reserves
[00:23:27] reserves are gone. So we're certainly certainly looking at higher prices
[00:23:30] prices for petrol, for diesel, for for jet fuel over the next the next
[00:23:34] next six months or so. None of the the solutions we have seen right
[00:23:37] right now are likely to be long-term long-term solutions. And indeed that's
[00:23:40] that's the big question of when to to all of that, isn't it? David Goldwyn,
[00:23:44] Goldwyn, thank you so much for joining
[00:23:45] joining us here on BBC News Now here
[00:23:48] here in the US Democratic Congresswoman Congresswoman Ilhan Omar has condemned
[00:23:51] condemned a raid on her Washington,
[00:23:53] Washington, DC., home by US Homeland Homeland Security agents. Federal
[00:23:57] Federal officers executed a search search warrant on Monday morning. morning. The raid is believed to
[00:24:00] to be part of an ongoing federal federal criminal investigation. Now,
[00:24:04] Now, according to reports, the years years long probe partly focuses on
[00:24:08] on alleged immigration fraud. Omar, Omar, who is running for re-election
[00:24:12] re-election in Minnesota, immigrated immigrated to the US from Somalia
[00:24:14] Somalia as a child and has been a
[00:24:17] a vocal critic of President Trump.
[00:24:20] Trump. She's called today's operation operation an attempt to target political
[00:24:24] political enemies and weaponise federal
[00:24:25] federal law enforcement by the Trump
[00:24:28] Trump administration. Well, here here in studio with me is our North
[00:24:31] North America correspondent, Ione Ione Wells Ione Wells. What is the the administration? What are the
[00:24:35] the officials saying is actually actually going on here? Well, they've
[00:24:38] they've provided very little detail detail about what evidence they have
[00:24:42] have against Ilhan Omar, but they they say or sources familiar with
[00:24:46] with the investigation say that this this is essentially about her immigration
[00:24:49] immigration paperwork. We know that that she came to the US first as
[00:24:53] as a child refugee from Somalia with with her family in the 1990s, but
[00:24:56] but she is now a naturalised US citizen
[00:24:59] citizen and has been since the year year 2000. Interestingly, Donald
[00:25:02] Donald Trump in the last hour or or so has spoken about this case.
[00:25:05] case. And I think his language will
[00:25:08] will probably add more fuel to the the Democrats claim that this is
[00:25:11] is politically motivated as well. well. Donald Trump has described
[00:25:14] described her as crooked, as a complainer,
[00:25:16] complainer, as from a in his words, words, Non-country repeating there
[00:25:20] there many of the criticisms that that he's levelled towards Ilhan
[00:25:23] Ilhan Omar over the years, but also also towards the wider Somali-American
[00:25:27] Somali-American community. And I I think it's words like that that
[00:25:29] that have led to the belief, certainly
[00:25:31] certainly from the Democrats perspective, perspective, that this notably three
[00:25:35] three weeks out from the mid-term mid-term elections is, in their words,
[00:25:38] words, an attempt to try and smear smear political opponents. Indeed,
[00:25:41] Indeed, the timing is always a question question mark, isn't it? I only thank
[00:25:44] thank you very much for that. And And just as we're talking, there
[00:25:46] there has been a rally of support
[00:25:49] support for Congresswoman Ilhan Omar Omar in Minneapolis. In Minnesota,
[00:25:52] Minnesota, you can just see some some pictures coming in to us there
[00:25:55] there from those who are speaking speaking in her defence. Well, that
[00:25:59] that is it for World News America America for today. You can keep up
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