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[00:00:03] had the Milburn review and the Mayfield Mayfield review into the workplace
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[00:00:09] stones to an obvious segue of welfare welfare reform. I think there's a
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[00:00:51] Hello. I'm Amanda Walker in
[00:00:53] Washington and this is BBC World
[00:00:55] World News America. Russia hammers hammers Ukraine for another night
[00:00:59] night as Ukraine's president vows vows retaliation if Russian strikes
[00:01:03] strikes on the country's energy grid
[00:01:05] grid continue. The BBC goes inside
[00:01:08] inside Yemen as Saudi backed government government forces work to regain
[00:01:12] regain control of coastal land from from the Houthis as the ongoing war
[00:01:15] war takes a toll on the population.
[00:01:18] population. This whole area has just
[00:01:20] just been retaken by pro-government pro-government forces. They captured
[00:01:24] captured it about three days ago. ago. Until then, the Houthis were
[00:01:28] were in control here. And US Congresswoman Congresswoman Ilhan Omar condemns
[00:01:31] condemns a raid on her home believed
[00:01:33] believed to be part of an ongoing
[00:01:36] ongoing federal criminal investigation.
[00:01:50] Thanks for being with us. We start in the Ukrainian capital as
[00:01:53] as we go to air. Kyiv is facing another
[00:01:56] another night of deadly Russian air air strikes. Local officials say
[00:01:59] say one person has been killed in in a strike in an apartment block.
[00:02:02] block. It's unclear how many are are injured. This is the latest in
[00:02:05] in a series of Russian attacks following following a tense and uncertain 48
[00:02:09] 48 hours on Saturday, President Trump Trump appeared to unilaterally announce
[00:02:13] announce an energy ceasefire between between Russia and Ukraine. President
[00:02:16] President Zelensky said he would would support it but accused Russia
[00:02:19] Russia of attacking six energy facilities
[00:02:21] facilities less than 24 hours after after it was announced. These strikes,
[00:02:24] strikes, said Volodymyr Zelensky, Zelensky, was Putin's answer to President
[00:02:27] President Trump. There's been no no confirmation from the Kremlin
[00:02:30] Kremlin of any agreement on a ceasefire.
[00:02:32] ceasefire. Russia's foreign minister minister says Ukraine doesn't deserve
[00:02:36] deserve any respite. This was President President Trump's response to those
[00:02:40] those conflicting reports. Well, Well, they agreed. You know why?
[00:02:43] why? Because I said you agree. That's
[00:02:46] That's why they agreed. Because I I said they agreed. And that thing
[00:02:50] thing has to get settled. That war
[00:02:51] war is a disaster. Zabolotsky is
[00:02:54] is a Ukrainian MP who also serves
[00:02:56] serves as a people's deputy of Ukraine. Ukraine. He spoke to me just a few
[00:03:00] few minutes after leaving an emergency emergency shelter following tonight's
[00:03:04] tonight's latest air raids in Kyiv. Well, just 45 minutes
[00:03:06] Kyiv. Well, just 45 minutes ago we
[00:03:09] we had like four ballistic missile missile strikes. So unfortunately unfortunately I had to leave this
[00:03:13] this office. But now things feel
[00:03:15] feel relatively safe. But relatively
[00:03:18] relatively safe is always quite relative. relative. So I have a special screen
[00:03:22] screen here as I serve in the entire
[00:03:24] entire unit. So I see at least one
[00:03:26] one jet powered Iranian Russian drone drone hovering over Kyiv. What's
[00:03:30] What's it like living through this
[00:03:32] this so many years on? Well. Human
[00:03:35] Human beings get used to everything. everything. Plus you have this frustration
[00:03:39] frustration and the enemy and the the Russians, you know, to really
[00:03:41] really stand on and to take this
[00:03:44] this fight to their territory. Let's Let's talk a bit about what's been
[00:03:48] been happening. Donald Trump saying
[00:03:50] saying that Ukraine should hold wartime wartime elections essentially should
[00:03:54] should ditch its president. What's What's the reaction in Ukraine when
[00:03:57] when Donald Trump says things like
[00:03:59] like that? Well, currently it's a
[00:04:02] a difficult period for both Ukraine Ukraine and us since it's a pre-election
[00:04:05] pre-election period in, in the United United States. And we have learned
[00:04:08] learned the hard way that we have have to be very careful at what we
[00:04:11] we say and what we do in order not not to impact this elections. Well,
[00:04:15] Well, I want to say is that we appreciate
[00:04:17] appreciate the help of United States
[00:04:20] States governments, people we know
[00:04:22] know that in the vast majority American American hearts are with Ukraine,
[00:04:25] Ukraine, and we hope we get through
[00:04:28] through this difficult politically politically intense election related
[00:04:31] related period. As you say there, there, that the hope is that America
[00:04:34] America is with Ukraine. But does does that hope fade when you hear
[00:04:38] hear things like that? And also when when you look that President Trump
[00:04:42] Trump is lifting sanctions on Russian
[00:04:46] Russian diesel, how do Ukrainians Ukrainians I know it's not a monolith, monolith, but how do people feel
[00:04:50] feel about that? What conversations
[00:04:52] conversations are you hearing? Oh,
[00:04:55] Oh, it's no, it's not the first time
[00:04:57] time it's happened with this administration. administration. It's been happening
[00:05:00] happening over for many administrations administrations before. I do remember
[00:05:04] remember during the first Russian
[00:05:06] Russian invasion on Donbas and Crimea,
[00:05:09] Crimea, United States under Obama Obama administration refused to sell
[00:05:12] sell us any weapons. So I guess it it changes from cycle to cycle. But
[00:05:16] But I do wish that United States
[00:05:18] States politics would be more long-term
[00:05:20] long-term and not short-term connected connected to elections because, you
[00:05:23] you know, we when we made a long-term long-term commitment to get rid of
[00:05:27] of nuclear weapons, this was not not really conditional on us having
[00:05:31] having different elections at different different periods of time and us
[00:05:34] us changing our mind. And this lifting
[00:05:37] lifting of sanctions on Russian diesel
[00:05:39] diesel has really caused shockwaves shockwaves in the international community.
[00:05:42] community. And here in Washington, Washington, DC., how much of a surprise
[00:05:46] surprise was that? And what's the the take from Ukraine in terms of
[00:05:49] of this just being a gift to Putin
[00:05:53] Putin essentially? Well, we advocate
[00:05:55] advocate strongly for not any single single country to buy any oil or
[00:05:59] or gas from Russia. You know, it's it's not conditioned on us specifically.
[00:06:03] specifically. Previously we had such
[00:06:04] such fights, for example, with Mr
[00:06:07] Mr Orban who lost his elections quite
[00:06:12] quite recently. Unfortunately, any
[00:06:14] any money paid to Russia or blood blood money because about half of
[00:06:18] of Russians budget, about half of of the profits that they get, they
[00:06:22] they use it to finance weapons that that kill Ukrainians. And not only
[00:06:26] only that, you know, they send this this money to buy weapons from North
[00:06:29] North Korea. They send this money money to buy drones from Iran. And
[00:06:33] And we are currently being bombed bombed by Iranian drones. So this
[00:06:37] this in the end, may cost lives all all around the world, including those
[00:06:40] those in the Middle East and those those of American soldiers. Yeah.
[00:06:44] Yeah. Everything connects. Where
[00:06:45] Where do you think Ukraine goes from
[00:06:48] from here? And what do you see as as the future of US support? Do you
[00:06:52] you think it will continue to go go up and down, or do you see this
[00:06:54] this as potentially a moment where
[00:06:56] where it really does fade? I think
[00:07:01] think historically US had a complicated complicated relationships with their
[00:07:03] their allies. If you look at also
[00:07:05] also at Kurds, if you look at what what happened in Afghanistan, I've
[00:07:09] I've always been advocating for us us to have for Ukrainian diaspora
[00:07:12] diaspora to be more active in elections elections in United States. And this
[00:07:16] this seems to be the key for US support.
[00:07:18] support. I wish that US support was
[00:07:20] was not so connected to election election cycles. Unfortunately it
[00:07:24] it is. We have what we have. But But on the bright side, you know,
[00:07:27] know, if we look at all the other other countries in the world, there's
[00:07:30] there's not so much of the democratic
[00:07:32] democratic and civilised world. That That is out there and that is helping
[00:07:36] helping Ukraine. And US is still,
[00:07:39] still, still helping Ukraine quite quite a lot with weapons sales and
[00:07:43] and with intelligence sharing. Ukrainian Ukrainian MP Marianne Zablocki there
[00:07:46] there will on Monday, the Ukrainian Ukrainian leader told the Warsaw
[00:07:49] Warsaw Security Forum that Kyiv would would retaliate if Russian strikes
[00:07:52] strikes on the country's energy grid
[00:07:53] grid continued. It was clear that
[00:07:57] that Putin does not read Truth Social.
[00:08:01] Social. Russia is trying to use another
[00:08:04] another winter, another period of
[00:08:06] of cold weather against our country
[00:08:09] country taking our power plants,
[00:08:11] plants, power grids and all parts
[00:08:14] parts of our energy infrastructure
[00:08:17] infrastructure every single day. It's unclear whether an energy
[00:08:21] energy ceasefire between Russia and and Ukraine will actually hold, but
[00:08:24] but European allies have warned that that Washington's recent diesel agreement
[00:08:28] agreement with Moscow could encourage
[00:08:30] encourage further aggression on Ukraine. Ukraine. Last week, President Trump
[00:08:33] Trump announced the US would temporarily temporarily ease restrictions on
[00:08:37] on Russian diesel fuel exports. This
[00:08:39] This would allow Russia to supply supply some diesel to US and global
[00:08:43] global markets for the next six months, months, the US leader says it's the
[00:08:46] the right choice for Americans, but
[00:08:48] but it's faced intense criticism criticism abroad and at home. On
[00:08:52] On Capitol Hill, a bipartisan group group of seven lawmakers released
[00:08:55] released a joint statement on Sunday Sunday calling on the Trump administration
[00:08:59] administration to reverse course. course. In part, it read, The United
[00:09:02] United States should not provide provide Putin with a financial lifeline
[00:09:05] lifeline while Russia continues to
[00:09:07] to kill Ukrainian civilians. Well, Well, Democratic Senator Jeanne Shaheen
[00:09:10] Shaheen is ranking member of the the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,
[00:09:13] Committee, and she was one of the the signatories on that statement. statement. She gave her reaction
[00:09:17] reaction to the BBC. Congress passed
[00:09:18] passed a law in 2022 that said we
[00:09:22] we would not allow the imports of
[00:09:24] of any Russian fuel and if for some
[00:09:27] some reason the administration were were thinking about it, they needed needed to come and consult with Congress.
[00:09:31] Congress. And if Congress had conditions conditions to put on it, then they
[00:09:35] they had to listen to those conditions. conditions. So the reality is they
[00:09:38] they are in violation of that law. law. We are making it very clear,
[00:09:42] clear, and I think on a bipartisan bipartisan basis in Congress, it's
[00:09:45] it's very clear that it's not the the US position that's shifting away
[00:09:49] away from Ukraine. It's Donald Trump's
[00:09:51] Trump's position and the White House House position that's shifting away
[00:09:55] away from Ukraine. The Iranian backed backed Houthis have claimed another
[00:09:59] another attack on Riyadh's international international airport. This is a
[00:10:02] a look at the live tracker. You can can see that flights are not entering
[00:10:06] entering that Riyadh area. A spokesman spokesman for the Houthis said they
[00:10:09] they had fired a ballistic missile missile and added that they had also
[00:10:12] also targeted a Saudi air base in
[00:10:14] in the southwestern city of Khamis
[00:10:17] Khamis Mushait with a drone. There There was no official confirmation
[00:10:20] confirmation from Saudi Arabia, but but authorities have lifted an alert
[00:10:23] alert for the area. The weekend saw saw Riyadh's international airport
[00:10:27] airport hit with two deadly strikes
[00:10:28] strikes in as many days. Our security security correspondent Frank Gardner
[00:10:32] Gardner reports. A normal day in
[00:10:35] in Riyadh airports busy departure
[00:10:37] departure terminal. Then this with
[00:10:39] with no warning a Houthi missile
[00:10:42] missile fired from Yemen. 13 people people killed on Saturday, hundreds
[00:10:46] hundreds injured three strikes over
[00:10:47] over four days. Saudi air defences
[00:10:50] defences penetrated. All this while
[00:10:52] while Saudi Arabia is hosting a major
[00:10:55] major international energy conference.
[00:10:57] conference. Resilience gives us the
[00:11:00] the capacity to sustain progress
[00:11:02] progress and continue shaping our
[00:11:04] our future. The events of recent
[00:11:08] recent weeks are serious. Our response
[00:11:10] response must be equally serious
[00:11:13] serious while remaining focus on
[00:11:15] on the decades ahead. But the Houthis
[00:11:20] Houthis have other plans responding responding to recent Saudi air strikes,
[00:11:23] strikes, Yemen's Houthis have launched launched a barrage of missile and
[00:11:26] and drone strikes right across the
[00:11:28] the Saudi kingdom. Saudi Arabia spent
[00:11:32] spent more than $83 billion on defence defence last year that made them
[00:11:36] them the eighth biggest defence spender spender in the world over the years,
[00:11:40] years, they bought typhoon jets,
[00:11:42] jets, Patriot missiles and interceptors.
[00:11:45] interceptors. So how is it then, then, that with all of this expensive
[00:11:49] expensive kit, they can't seem to to prevent these devastating Houthi
[00:11:52] Houthi missile strikes? The Houthis Houthis have a mixture of ballistic
[00:11:56] ballistic missiles, cruise missiles missiles and drones that all require
[00:11:59] require a lot of different defences defences so you can spend millions millions intercepting weapons that
[00:12:02] that cost a fraction of that. You You can shoot down lots of them,
[00:12:06] them, but you still suffer crippling crippling damage from the ones that
[00:12:08] that get through. The Saudis can can bomb Yemen extensively to try
[00:12:11] try and stop this, but it's really
[00:12:13] really hard to track down every launcher, launcher, every possible missile
[00:12:17] missile site, every small factory.
[00:12:21] factory. Especially in a country country wracked by its own ongoing
[00:12:24] ongoing conflict forces loyal to to the ousted, internationally recognised
[00:12:28] recognised Yemeni government have have retaken land in places they've
[00:12:31] they've lost it in others. But all
[00:12:33] all the while, Iran is strengthening strengthening its hand, ready for
[00:12:37] for an eventual deal with America.
[00:12:40] America. To end this widening war.
[00:12:43] war. Frank Gardner, BBC News. Well, Well, let's take a closer look at
[00:12:47] at the situation in Yemen. The civil
[00:12:49] civil war in Yemen began in 2014 2014 when Houthi fighters backed
[00:12:53] backed by Iran, gained control of
[00:12:55] of the capital, Sana'a. Since 2015,
[00:12:57] 2015, a Saudi led coalition has been been trying with heavy air strikes
[00:13:01] strikes to restore to power the internationally internationally recognised government.
[00:13:04] government. In recent weeks, the the Houthis have taken over parts
[00:13:07] parts of the west coast of the country. country. Although Saudi backed government
[00:13:11] government forces have since retaken
[00:13:12] retaken some of it. Our senior international international correspondent Orla
[00:13:16] Orla Guerin reports from the Yemeni Yemeni coast in her report contains
[00:13:20] contains distressing images. Crossing
[00:13:24] Crossing the desert, a remote battlefield
[00:13:26] battlefield in a civil war that is
[00:13:28] is fast becoming a major regional
[00:13:32] regional threat. We travelled with
[00:13:35] with Yemen's southern forces fighters fighters loyal to the internationally
[00:13:39] internationally recognised government
[00:13:40] government in this landscape of harsh
[00:13:43] harsh beauty, they have regained regained lost ground and took us
[00:13:47] us to see it here. The wreckage of
[00:13:50] of a Houthi drone shot out of the
[00:13:53] the sky. How much damage could this
[00:13:55] this have done? Commander Tawfiq
[00:13:58] Tawfiq Al Haboun says it contained
[00:14:02] contained explosives. And could kill
[00:14:05] kill 10 to 15 people. This whole
[00:14:09] whole area has just been retaken retaken by pro-government forces.
[00:14:13] forces. They captured it about three
[00:14:16] three days ago. Until then, the Houthis Houthis were in control here. They've
[00:14:20] They've been pushed back. And we've we've been told that there are Houthi
[00:14:24] Houthi fighters in position up in in the mountains. About 500 of them.
[00:14:27] them. And since we've been here, here, the forces are keeping an eye
[00:14:30] eye on the sky just to make sure
[00:14:32] sure that there are no more drones
[00:14:35] drones coming. And here, scenes from
[00:14:37] from the battle to retake this territory.
[00:14:42] territory. No military precision
[00:14:45] precision in this desert campaign
[00:14:47] campaign just a loose alliance of of pro-government fighters. Some
[00:14:51] Some of them barefoot. As we left
[00:14:57] left front lines about a mile from
[00:15:00] from the Houthis government reinforcements
[00:15:02] reinforcements were heading in. Along
[00:15:07] Along the way, a tableau of suffering
[00:15:09] suffering for some of those who have
[00:15:11] have fled the fighting, the only
[00:15:14] only shelter is the trees. Aisha
[00:15:17] Aisha tells me she has been here
[00:15:19] here for 30 days with no money, no
[00:15:23] no food and no water. Not even a
[00:15:26] a blanket. Yemen's civil war is casting
[00:15:29] casting a shadow well beyond its
[00:15:31] its borders. The Houthis are a threat
[00:15:35] threat to international shipping shipping and increasingly a threat
[00:15:38] threat to Saudi Arabia. But for their
[00:15:40] their backers in Iran, they provide
[00:15:45] provide leverage in operating rooms
[00:15:46] rooms in the city of Aden, geopolitics
[00:15:49] geopolitics feels remote night and
[00:15:51] and day. Doctors are treating wounded
[00:15:55] wounded fighters. That includes the
[00:15:57] the enemy. This man is a Houthi,
[00:16:00] Houthi, but most here are from the
[00:16:03] the government side. When you get get a real sense here of how fierce
[00:16:07] fierce the fighting is, this hospital
[00:16:09] hospital alone has received 51 wounded
[00:16:12] wounded fighters today. Every bed bed in the intensive care unit is
[00:16:16] is full. They've been arriving with
[00:16:18] with gunshot wounds with shrapnel.
[00:16:21] shrapnel. Some have had limbs amputated amputated and the casualties keep
[00:16:24] keep coming. We've been told there
[00:16:26] there are three more on the way.
[00:16:30] way. The battles in Yemen are ebbing
[00:16:32] ebbing and flowing with no clear
[00:16:35] clear victor, but plenty more trauma.
[00:16:37] trauma. For some, the war will always
[00:16:40] always be with them. Some still have
[00:16:44] have their fighting spirit, like
[00:16:46] like Ahmed Ali Mahmoud. He wants
[00:16:48] wants to get back to the front. Despite
[00:16:51] Despite multiple fractures. I'm not
[00:16:57] not waiting to be fully recovered, recovered, he told us. I just want
[00:17:00] want to be able to stand. I think
[00:17:02] think it's a religious duty and a
[00:17:05] a national duty. The Houthis have have destroyed the country. Come
[00:17:08] Come on. In the next ward. Ali, who
[00:17:13] who is 121 year older than Yemen's
[00:17:15] Yemen's war. He was injured by a
[00:17:18] a drone and is now facing a complicated
[00:17:21] complicated surgery. There is shrapnel
[00:17:24] shrapnel near his spine, says Doctor
[00:17:26] Doctor Ammar Al-sakkaf. The operation
[00:17:28] operation won't be easy, but God God willing our staff will be able
[00:17:32] able to handle it. But will war follow
[00:17:37] follow Ali into adulthood? Orla Guerin
[00:17:40] Guerin BBC News Southern Yemen. Well,
[00:17:43] Well, with me in studio now is Tim Tim Lenderking, who served as the
[00:17:46] the first US special envoy for Yemen
[00:17:49] Yemen from 2021 to 2025. He's now now principal at the law firm Squire
[00:17:53] Squire Patton Boggs. Thanks for being being with us, Tim. We were watching watching pleasure Orla Guerin report
[00:17:57] report there rare to see inside Yemen. Yemen. You have been many, many times
[00:18:00] times as US special envoy. I'm just just wondering what your reflections reflections are when you see that
[00:18:04] that report. And when you think about about the wider issue here. I think
[00:18:08] think it's great that your correspondent correspondent is in Yemen and able
[00:18:10] able to capture those images, because because it really shows the human
[00:18:14] human side of the conflict and the the toll that this conflict has taken
[00:18:18] taken on Yemen, its infrastructure, infrastructure, but mostly its people.
[00:18:21] people. I mean, to see those images images of the kids in the hospital
[00:18:24] hospital and the fighters and the the ordinary people like just sheltering
[00:18:28] sheltering under a tree because there there is nothing there's no infrastructure. infrastructure. It's a poor country
[00:18:32] country to begin with, but it's been been shattered by this long war.
[00:18:36] war. And the you know, the fact that that it continues is puts a great
[00:18:40] great toll on the Yemeni people. people. Yeah. And what do you make
[00:18:42] make of what we're seeing from the the Houthis at the moment, the behaviour
[00:18:45] behaviour what do you think their their goals are and does it surprise
[00:18:49] surprise you? Sadly, it doesn't surprise
[00:18:51] surprise me. And I think the Houthis Houthis have been waiting for a moment
[00:18:54] moment like this. There are always
[00:18:57] always preparing, restocking. They They use every lull that they can
[00:19:00] can to refit their fighters. They're
[00:19:03] They're very adept at importing materials,
[00:19:07] materials, smuggling what they need need into the country to build their
[00:19:10] their military arsenal. They're very very entrepreneurial. They've been
[00:19:12] been able to build their own military
[00:19:17] military capability outside the international international glare, and they've they've gotten a lot of support from
[00:19:20] from Iran at the end of the day. day. And that's a big part of this
[00:19:23] this story and why it's flaring up
[00:19:24] up at this particular time. It's It's upended to the Strait of Hormuz
[00:19:28] Hormuz in the broader Iran conflict.
[00:19:30] conflict. And you also served in in Saudi Arabia. What's your take
[00:19:34] take on what the response down the the road might be to this? I think
[00:19:38] think I mean, this past weekend was was a particularly terrible toll
[00:19:42] toll on Saudi Arabia, with more than
[00:19:44] than 12 up to 20 people killed in
[00:19:46] in repeated attacks on Saudi International International Airport. I myself and
[00:19:50] and so many American citizens and and diplomats and world figures have
[00:19:53] have flown in and out of that airport.
[00:19:55] airport. And it's essential to Saudi
[00:19:58] Saudi Arabia's broad vision for its
[00:20:01] its future and being a hub of commerce
[00:20:03] commerce and investment and attracting
[00:20:06] attracting capital into Saudi Arabia Arabia and having stable ports of
[00:20:09] of egress and entrance. So I think think Saudi Arabia has no choice
[00:20:13] choice but to respond. I mean, they've they've been hit. It's one of the the worst hits that they've suffered
[00:20:17] suffered in this entire conflict. conflict. They will have to respond.
[00:20:19] respond. Do you think the US should should join that response militarily?
[00:20:23] militarily? The US and Saudi Arabia Arabia have been friends and partners
[00:20:26] partners and allies for 90 years.
[00:20:28] years. And so I think there's a particular particular responsibility to stand
[00:20:31] stand by your friends at a moment moment like this with such a strong
[00:20:35] strong attack. What form that takes. takes. I think the leadership as
[00:20:38] as I understand it, President Trump Trump saying we're looking at it.
[00:20:41] it. We're weighing a decision. I I think there will be a decision.
[00:20:44] decision. There are many ways that that we can support Saudi Arabia
[00:20:47] Arabia and indeed the Yemen government, government, which is also another
[00:20:50] another player in this story. What's What's your understanding about diplomacy
[00:20:53] diplomacy or any negotiation right right now between Saudi Arabia and
[00:20:57] and Iran and the Houthis? Well, there there is no Yemen envoy at this particular
[00:21:01] particular time. I mean, the previous previous administration invested
[00:21:04] invested a lot in building a Yemen Yemen team and developing expertise
[00:21:08] expertise and putting us in charge charge of the file. And I'm you know,
[00:21:11] know, I think it was incredible that that with the support of the United
[00:21:15] United States, the UN was able to
[00:21:16] to arrange a truce in this conflict
[00:21:19] conflict in April 2022, which largely
[00:21:21] largely held until several months months ago when this conflict flared
[00:21:24] flared up again. But of course, even even with the truce, you have to
[00:21:27] to keep your eye on the Houthis constantly
[00:21:28] constantly because as I say, they're they're a very energetic messianic
[00:21:32] messianic force. They're rebuilding, rebuilding, looking to take take
[00:21:36] take to the fight again. So ultimately ultimately there has to be some sort
[00:21:40] sort of confrontation with them that
[00:21:42] that puts them back and takes territory
[00:21:45] territory back from them. OK. Tim Tim Lenderking, former US special
[00:21:49] special envoy for Yemen, thank you you for your insights on your time
[00:21:51] time this evening. Thank you. Still Still to come on world news America.
[00:21:55] America. Oil prices are climbing climbing after those attacks on Saudi
[00:21:58] Saudi Arabia will look at what the the turmoil is doing to energy prices
[00:22:02] prices around the world
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[00:23:06] website and app. You're live with
[00:23:15] with BBC News. Oil prices have risen risen as turmoil continues in the
[00:23:19] the Middle East and despite President President Trump's attempt to drive
[00:23:21] drive the price down with his agreement agreement to buy Russian oil, the
[00:23:25] the cost of Brent crude is around
[00:23:28] around $106 a barrel. That's up from
[00:23:30] from around $70 before the US-Israel US-Israel war with Iran. Well, this
[00:23:33] this has fed through to higher costs costs for car fuel in many countries,
[00:23:37] countries, including the US, where where prices at the pump are a big
[00:23:40] big complaint from voters ahead of of the mid-term elections. And analysts
[00:23:44] analysts warn that President Trump's Trump's deal to buy oil from Russia
[00:23:46] Russia is not likely to have a noticeable
[00:23:49] noticeable impact on prices. Here's Here's what President Trump had to
[00:23:52] to say about energy prices on his
[00:23:54] his way to Ohio a little earlier.
[00:23:56] earlier. Prices are coming down, down, and as soon as the war ends,
[00:23:59] ends, which will be very soon with with Iran, the oil will drop like
[00:24:03] like a rock and it's going to end end very soon. Well, joining me live
[00:24:06] live now is Simon Casey. He's managing managing editor of Energy Commodities
[00:24:10] Commodities at Bloomberg. Thanks Thanks for being with us. So Russia Russia used to be the biggest second
[00:24:13] second biggest exporter of diesel diesel in the world. Recently it it suspended all its diesel exports
[00:24:17] exports to have enough for itself itself basically. So this deal says
[00:24:20] says that it has to immediately supply supply 300,000 tonnes of diesel.
[00:24:23] diesel. Is it capable of doing that?
[00:24:26] that? Opinion, frankly is divided. divided. If you listen to Ukraine's
[00:24:30] Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky, Zelensky, he say it's doubtful and and he thinks this is not going to
[00:24:34] to make much difference. There is
[00:24:37] is probably some capability, but
[00:24:39] but as you point out, Russia has
[00:24:41] has come under attack consistently
[00:24:43] consistently from Ukraine this year year on its energy infrastructure.
[00:24:47] infrastructure. It's quite battered.
[00:24:50] battered. It did not suspend those those exports. Likely that was a
[00:24:53] a last resort to keep Russian industry
[00:24:57] industry basically in the economy economy going in the face of this
[00:25:00] this barrage. So there is some wiggle
[00:25:02] wiggle room. But even if the exports
[00:25:05] exports do come out, will it make make much difference? The consensus
[00:25:09] consensus we've been picking up on
[00:25:10] on so far is that it's going to make make little difference. Overall,
[00:25:14] Overall, the world is still going going to be constrained when it comes
[00:25:17] comes to gasoline and diesel for for quite some time. So yeah, that
[00:25:21] that was going to be my next question. question. Donald Trump obviously obviously hoping that this can have
[00:25:25] have some impact ideally before the the mid-term elections. But you seem
[00:25:28] seem to be saying that that's not not going to happen. Is there any any chance that this could move the
[00:25:32] the needle further down the line? line? I mean, it could move the needle needle very incrementally. But I
[00:25:36] I mean, given that we're what, three three weeks out from the mid-term
[00:25:39] mid-term elections and given that
[00:25:42] that the sort of the logistical issues, issues, if you simply put oil on
[00:25:45] on a tanker and you export it across across the ocean, you're talking
[00:25:48] talking a matter of weeks at at, at, you know, at least sometimes
[00:25:52] sometimes it can be months to get
[00:25:53] get these cargoes from one location
[00:25:56] location to the other. So this could could over time make a difference.
[00:26:00] difference. But in the run up to to the election, the timing is very
[00:26:04] very short. And you played a quote
[00:26:06] quote a clip there from the President.
[00:26:08] President. He's right. To the extent extent that prices fuel prices have
[00:26:12] have edged lower in recent weeks. weeks. But we're talking you know,
[00:26:15] know, if you look at average US gasoline gasoline prices, they've gone from
[00:26:19] from about $4.50 a gallon down to to about 430, something like that.
[00:26:23] that. It's a very small difference
[00:26:25] difference really. And overall they're they're still at a very high level.
[00:26:29] level. The sort of level we last last saw during the Ukraine, the
[00:26:32] the start of the Ukraine war back
[00:26:35] back in 2022. And the President, President, President Trump blaming
[00:26:38] blaming Ukraine, not the Iran war war for spiking oil prices around
[00:26:42] around the world. Is there any truth truth in that? I mean, there is some
[00:26:45] some truth. I think absent the conflict
[00:26:48] conflict in Ukraine and if Ukraine
[00:26:50] Ukraine wasn't bombarding Russian Russian refineries across the country
[00:26:54] country and if Russia was exporting
[00:26:56] exporting diesel like it did a year
[00:26:59] year or two ago, we'd be in a slightly
[00:27:02] slightly better position. But overwhelm overwhelm the biggest factor here
[00:27:06] here in the squeeze on global fuel
[00:27:09] fuel prices has been the war in Iran. Iran. There's a significant amount
[00:27:12] amount of refining capacity within
[00:27:14] within the Persian Gulf that is effectively effectively out of commission right
[00:27:17] right now. And even though a lot
[00:27:20] lot of the crude exports have kind kind of returned from that part of
[00:27:23] of the world, even in the face of
[00:27:25] of sustained action by Iran, and
[00:27:27] and we still see ships being attacked
[00:27:32] attacked the refined products, as as the industry calls it, the diesel,
[00:27:35] diesel, the gasoline that is normally
[00:27:37] normally refined in that region is
[00:27:39] is not coming out. And that's a big
[00:27:42] big gap that the world is struggling struggling to fill. Inventories are
[00:27:45] are down and prices are up. And we're we're all seeing that at the pump,
[00:27:48] pump, at least if you're in the US. US. And just briefly, Salman, I think
[00:27:51] think I know what your answer might might veer towards. But what is the
[00:27:54] the one thing that needs to happen happen to get things even closer
[00:27:56] closer back to what they were before
[00:27:58] before the Iran war? I mean, you you know, absent the you know, a
[00:28:02] a proper ceasefire, I think it would
[00:28:05] would be guarantees on the safety safety of shipping through the Persian
[00:28:08] Persian Gulf. As I say, there's been
[00:28:09] been quite a sort of a Herculean
[00:28:12] Herculean effort to get more crude crude sailing through the Strait
[00:28:16] Strait of Hormuz. It's come at a a huge cost. We have record shipping
[00:28:19] shipping costs right now. As I say,
[00:28:21] say, we have a real security issue. issue. Ships are getting attacked.
[00:28:24] attacked. They're running a great great risk going through there every
[00:28:26] every day given the costs, the priority priority has been given to crude
[00:28:30] crude oil rather than gasoline and and diesel. If there was a greater
[00:28:33] greater certainty, if there was greater greater safety for shipping there,
[00:28:36] there, I think you would probably probably see more a refined product
[00:28:40] product start to pass through the the Strait of Hormuz and that that
[00:28:43] that sort of that shortage would would finally begin to ease. All
[00:28:45] All right. Simon Casey from Bloomberg,
[00:28:47] Bloomberg, thank you for your insights.
[00:28:51] insights. Well, before we go, let's let's take you live to Youngstown, Youngstown, Ohio, where President
[00:28:55] President Trump is due to arrive arrive there shortly for a mid-term
[00:28:58] mid-term campaign rally. We'll have have plenty more on that after the
[00:29:01] the break. Thanks for watching. Do
[00:29:02] Do stay with us.
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[00:32:40] Ukrainians are braced for what could could be a very tough winter ahead.
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[00:33:23] Welcome back. Thanks for being with us in the US Democratic Congresswoman
[00:33:27] Congresswoman Ilhan Omar has condemned condemned a raid on her Washington
[00:33:30] Washington home by US Homeland Security Security agents. Federal officers
[00:33:34] officers executed a search warrant warrant on Monday morning. The raid
[00:33:37] raid is believed to be part of an
[00:33:40] an ongoing federal criminal investigation, investigation, according to reports.
[00:33:42] reports. The years long probe partly
[00:33:45] partly focuses on alleged immigration immigration fraud. Well, Omar, who
[00:33:48] who is running for re-election in in Minnesota, immigrated to the US
[00:33:52] US from Somalia as a child. She's
[00:33:53] She's been a vocal critic of President President Trump. In a post on X,
[00:33:57] X, the congresswoman vowed she would would not be silenced, calling the
[00:34:01] the operation an attempt to target target political enemies and weaponise
[00:34:05] weaponise federal law enforcement enforcement by the Trump administration.
[00:34:08] administration. Well, in the hours hours that followed the raid, crowds
[00:34:11] crowds gathered at a rally in Minneapolis Minneapolis in support of the congresswoman.
[00:34:15] congresswoman. We've heard from President President Trump in the last hour
[00:34:17] hour on this. He described Omar as
[00:34:20] as a terrible person but claimed claimed the investigation was up
[00:34:24] up to the DoJ. Krynky. In advance.
[00:34:29] advance. Well, I understand they're they're looking at it very carefully.
[00:34:32] carefully. I've always found it to to be totally crooked personally, personally, but that has nothing
[00:34:36] nothing to do with me. I think she's
[00:34:38] she's a terrible person. Just a complainer.
[00:34:40] complainer. She comes from a country
[00:34:44] country that is a non-country. And And then she comes over here and
[00:34:47] and she complains about our constitution. constitution. I think she's a terrible
[00:34:50] terrible person, but that's really really up to the DoJ. I have nothing
[00:34:54] nothing to do. Our North America America correspondent. Ione Wells
[00:34:57] Wells was outside the congresswoman's congresswoman's home with the latest.
[00:35:00] latest. Well, I counted at least least a dozen federal agents from
[00:35:04] from the Department of Homeland Security Security Investigations who were
[00:35:07] were inside and outside Ilhan Omar's Omar's house here in Washington.
[00:35:11] Washington. It's not clear if anyone anyone was actually home when they they arrived early this morning or
[00:35:14] or indeed, what exactly they might might have seized from this home.
[00:35:17] home. I did see them carrying what what appeared to be cardboard boxes
[00:35:20] boxes into a van before they drove drove away. Now, sources familiar
[00:35:24] familiar with the investigation say
[00:35:26] say that this was then carrying out
[00:35:28] out a criminal warrant and that it
[00:35:31] it relates to her immigration paperwork. paperwork. We know that she first
[00:35:34] first came to the US as a refugee refugee from Somalia with her family
[00:35:37] family in the 1990s before becoming becoming naturalised as a US citizen
[00:35:41] citizen in the year 2000. But the the authorities haven't really provided
[00:35:43] provided any detail at all about
[00:35:45] about this investigation, what evidence evidence they may have. She has in
[00:35:49] in the last couple of moments responded responded to this, saying make no
[00:35:52] no mistake, this is an attempt to
[00:35:54] to target political enemies and weaponise weaponise federal law enforcement.
[00:35:57] enforcement. She has also gone on on to say that for ten years, Donald
[00:36:01] Donald Trump has targeted her with with what she describes as baseless
[00:36:04] baseless lies and smear campaigns campaigns and that this is the latest
[00:36:07] latest escalation in his campaign campaign of political intimidation. intimidation. That echoes really
[00:36:11] really concerns that have been raised raised by other Democratic lawmakers
[00:36:14] lawmakers as well, who have called called this an abuse of power by
[00:36:17] by federal authorities. There are are concerns that this has happened
[00:36:20] happened just three weeks before before crucial mid-term elections, elections, where the Republicans
[00:36:24] Republicans will be defending thin thin majorities in both houses of
[00:36:28] of Congress. Donald Trump has repeatedly
[00:36:32] repeatedly targeted her, made personal personal insults towards the representative
[00:36:35] representative Ilhan Omar, but also also accused the Somali-American Somali-American community more widely,
[00:36:39] widely, particularly in Minnesota, Minnesota, where she's a representative representative of being a threat
[00:36:42] threat to the community, something something which she and other Democrats
[00:36:46] Democrats have long disputed. Well. Let's talk about this and more
[00:36:49] more with our panel. She is previously previously served as the chief of
[00:36:53] of staff to the White House press press office during the Biden administration. administration. She's currently a
[00:36:56] a senior fellow at Third Way, a national national think tank and advocacy
[00:37:00] advocacy organisation. Also joining joining us is Jake Laturner, former
[00:37:03] former Republican US congressman. congressman. Thanks both for being
[00:37:05] being with us. So, Jake, we've heard heard from Ilhan Omar in response
[00:37:09] response to this. She thinks it's it's an attempt to target political political enemies and weaponise federal
[00:37:13] federal law enforcement. Would this this be happening if she wasn't a
[00:37:15] a high profile critic of the President? President? Well, there's a lot here.
[00:37:18] here. First of all, members of Congress Congress are not above the law. It's
[00:37:22] It's really important that that is
[00:37:24] is made clear. But a lot more needs
[00:37:27] needs to be explained. It's close
[00:37:29] close to an election. There is an
[00:37:33] an issue of separation of powers
[00:37:35] powers here. The real the broader
[00:37:37] broader issue, though, for the American American people is that weaponization
[00:37:41] weaponization of the Department of of Justice has been a big issue that that both parties have been raising
[00:37:45] raising for a very long time. Trust
[00:37:46] Trust in government is at an all-time
[00:37:49] all-time low and everything that that the administration is doing
[00:37:52] doing should be about restoring that that that trust that just isn't there
[00:37:55] there right now. And do you think
[00:37:58] think the Justice Department has has been weaponised by both parties? parties? What's your response to
[00:38:02] to Jake's point there? Why do you
[00:38:05] you think that President Trump has has a different view of the Department
[00:38:08] Department of Justice than past presidents presidents before him? I know that
[00:38:11] that there are a lot of frustrations frustrations right now with the Democratic Democratic base because they felt
[00:38:15] felt like when Biden was in power, power, he did not use the Department
[00:38:19] Department of Justice to criminalise criminalise President Trump and those
[00:38:22] those who worked for him. And so
[00:38:24] so there is a fracture within both both Democrats and Republicans of
[00:38:28] of people within both parties believing believing that the President has
[00:38:31] has the right to punish his adversaries. adversaries. But we all know that
[00:38:34] that the Department of Justice is is supposed to operate without impunity,
[00:38:37] impunity, without any kind of oversight oversight from the President himself. himself. He gets to pick who runs
[00:38:41] runs it, but then he's supposed to to leave it alone. But his personal
[00:38:44] personal relationship with Ilhan Ilhan Omar, that has been quite contentious
[00:38:47] contentious and fractured is the the overhang here, because it is
[00:38:51] is very hard to see how this could
[00:38:53] could be an unbiased search of her
[00:38:56] her home without analysing their their relationship that they've had, had, which has been so tense for
[00:39:00] for a decade now. Yeah, she says says that it's hard to see this as
[00:39:04] as unbiased and especially when we we hear the President there saying saying that she's a terrible person
[00:39:07] person from a non-country, it doesn't doesn't really suggest that this
[00:39:11] this is a non-partisan move. Well, Well, as I said, I think the Department Department of Justice is going to
[00:39:15] to have to take extra care in explaining explaining what is going on here.
[00:39:18] here. And I know it's an ongoing
[00:39:20] ongoing investigation, hard to release release a lot of information. She's
[00:39:23] She's entitled to some privacy as as well. But this is a unique situation
[00:39:27] situation and I think they should should release as much information information as possible. As I mentioned,
[00:39:31] mentioned, members of Congress are are not above the law. If she's committed
[00:39:35] committed a crime of some sort, she she obviously needs to be held accountable
[00:39:38] accountable for that. We just don't don't know yet. Let's move on now
[00:39:41] now to Donald Trump's lifting of
[00:39:43] of Russian diesel sanctions has been been broad pushback, hasn't there,
[00:39:47] there, on this move internationally internationally and here at home,
[00:39:49] home, a bipartisan group of senators senators have essentially said they
[00:39:53] they think this is illegal. That's That's been led by Democratic Senator
[00:39:56] Senator Jeanne Shaheen. Congress
[00:39:57] Congress passed a law in 2022 that
[00:40:00] that said we would not allow the the imports of any Russian fuel.
[00:40:04] fuel. And if for some reason the the administration were thinking
[00:40:08] thinking about it, they needed to to come and consult with Congress. Congress. And if Congress had conditions
[00:40:11] conditions to put on it, then they
[00:40:13] they had to listen to those conditions. conditions. So the reality is they
[00:40:17] they are in violation of that law. law. We are making it very clear,
[00:40:20] clear, and I think on a bipartisan bipartisan basis in Congress, it's
[00:40:24] it's very clear that it's not the
[00:40:26] the US position that's shifting away away from Ukraine. It's Donald Trump's
[00:40:30] Trump's position and the White House House position that's shifting away
[00:40:33] away from Ukraine. That was Democratic Democratic Senator Jeanne Shaheen
[00:40:36] Shaheen there. So there was also also this bill recently signed into into law that was sponsored by the
[00:40:40] the late US Senator Lindsey Graham Graham that allows for sanctions
[00:40:44] sanctions against any country that that buys Russian oil. The US is
[00:40:48] is now a customer. This is quite quite a turnaround, isn't it? What
[00:40:51] What did you make of it? We shouldn't shouldn't be spending our money in
[00:40:54] in a way that will be damaging to to Ukraine, that we've already established
[00:40:58] established our allies. And it was was good to see Congressman Brian Brian Fitzpatrick. He's introducing
[00:41:02] introducing a bill where it would would take congressional approval approval and Congress would be able
[00:41:05] able to block this. My only issue
[00:41:08] issue is we talk a lot about how
[00:41:11] how Congress and this branch is supposed supposed to put checks and balances
[00:41:14] balances on the President, the legislative legislative branch. But the President
[00:41:18] President bulldozes a lot of Congress. Congress. And so he has this he has
[00:41:21] has this meeting. He comes up with with this idea with Vladimir Putin,
[00:41:25] Putin, and he undermines our allyship allyship with Vladimir, with Zelensky.
[00:41:28] Zelensky. I'm unclear where Congress Congress actually has the power and
[00:41:31] and authority to stop President Trump. Trump. I haven't seen much of it
[00:41:34] it over the course of his first and and second administration here. And
[00:41:37] And Jake, we heard earlier from an an analyst, an oil energy analyst
[00:41:41] analyst who was essentially saying saying this isn't going to change
[00:41:43] change global oil prices. We're not
[00:41:45] not about to see that spike go down down before the mid-term elections.
[00:41:49] elections. So who is the winner in in this situation? Is it just Vladimir Vladimir Putin? Well, you see the
[00:41:52] the President responding to the American American people. They are upset when
[00:41:56] when they go to the pump. Diesel Diesel prices are through the roof
[00:41:58] roof right now. And so the President President is doing everything. A
[00:42:01] A couple of weeks ago, pressuring pressuring European countries to to turn loose of reserves. And now
[00:42:05] now he's taken another step. Of course course you're going to see a lot lot of heartburn with this. When
[00:42:08] When I was in Congress, I was a big big supporter of Ukraine and voted
[00:42:12] voted to fund the war effort in Ukraine.
[00:42:15] Ukraine. And so this is a tough one. one. This is a tough one for a lot
[00:42:18] lot of folks. Find an analyst who's who's going to say that this will
[00:42:20] will improve the situation. Well,
[00:42:23] Well, listen, in order to really really bring down prices, maybe not
[00:42:26] not we don't know that for sure. sure. But it's also about how people
[00:42:29] people are feeling. Is the President President delivering? Is progress
[00:42:32] progress being made? A lot of it it has to do with just the general
[00:42:36] general feeling of people, you know, know, looking to the future and predicting
[00:42:39] predicting what kind of economic economic circumstances they're going going to have and if they're going
[00:42:42] going to be better or not. MIT what what do you think? Is this just a
[00:42:45] a win for Putin? Is it another blow blow essentially, isn't it to the
[00:42:48] the Western alliance trying to isolate isolate Russia? And this is doing
[00:42:52] doing the opposite. I think Putin Putin is one of the most dangerous
[00:42:55] dangerous individuals that we have have as a world leader and operating
[00:42:58] operating a power in the entire world.
[00:43:01] world. There should never feel we we should never feel any kind of
[00:43:05] of comfortability between the US's US's relationship with Russia. It
[00:43:07] It should remain a contentious relationship.
[00:43:09] relationship. OK, Jake, let's talk talk briefly about the ads. The scrapped
[00:43:13] scrapped federal judge essentially essentially said the Trump administration
[00:43:16] administration needs to cancel further further airings of these controversial
[00:43:19] controversial taxpayer funded ads ads that promoted President Trump's
[00:43:22] Trump's agenda. That had to happen, happen, didn't it? Well, you've seen
[00:43:26] seen this happen. There's been a a lot of talk about it for a long
[00:43:29] long time. Kristi Noem was criticised criticised when she was secretary
[00:43:32] secretary of Homeland Security for for the ads being you know, the ads
[00:43:36] ads being a little too political political in nature. I understand
[00:43:39] understand the complaints. The real
[00:43:41] real point, though, is that the Republicans
[00:43:43] Republicans have a tremendous fundraising fundraising advantage before the the election. There's a lot of money
[00:43:47] money to get the message out. I don't don't think this is going to end
[00:43:50] end up having a negative impact.
[00:43:53] impact. Well, I. Agree in that way.
[00:43:55] way. I don't think the ads itself
[00:43:57] itself had any kind of movement when when it came to independent voters
[00:44:01] voters or losing voters, because because the ads just focus solely
[00:44:04] solely on the President. It didn't didn't give anything to the mid-terms. mid-terms. It wasn't politically
[00:44:08] politically motivating for those those that are running in really, really, really tight races. It was,
[00:44:12] was, of course, ludicrous and ridiculous ridiculous that the President himself
[00:44:15] himself wasn't paying for the ads ads through the super PAC. And I I know that he says that he will
[00:44:18] will do that moving forward. We'll We'll see if that actually happens. happens. OK. You may see a and Jake
[00:44:22] Jake Laturner, thank you both for for your insights. And of course,
[00:44:25] course, the President is out on the the campaign trail. We're waiting
[00:44:28] waiting to see him appear in Ohio.
[00:44:30] Ohio. He should be here at this rally rally in the next few moments in
[00:44:34] in Youngstown, Ohio, with just a a couple of weeks really until those
[00:44:38] those crucial mid-term elections. elections. Still to come on world
[00:44:41] world news America, UK Prime Minister
[00:44:44] Minister Andy Burnham signals closer
[00:44:46] closer ties with the EU, saying he'll
[00:44:48] he'll push for new post-Brexit deals deals at an upcoming summit. We'll
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[00:46:07] BBC News. Thanks for being with us. us. Ten years after the UK voted
[00:46:11] voted to leave the EU, the Prime Prime Minister has told MPs he will
[00:46:14] will use next month's UK EU summit
[00:46:17] summit to push for new post-Brexit
[00:46:19] post-Brexit deals. Andy Burnham said said deeper co-operation in some
[00:46:23] some areas was a key element of growing
[00:46:26] growing the UK economy, and that that it would be a dereliction of
[00:46:28] of duty not to push for stronger
[00:46:30] stronger ties. The leader of the
[00:46:33] the opposition, Kemi Badenoch, said said the Prime Minister wouldn't wouldn't get a better deal with the
[00:46:37] the EU than the one secured by the
[00:46:39] the Conservatives. Here's our political
[00:46:43] political editor, Chris Mason. Remember Remember when all Westminster seemed
[00:46:46] seemed to do was row about Brexit?
[00:46:48] Brexit? Of course you do. It's all
[00:46:50] all gone quiet though. In recent
[00:46:52] recent years. But is that now changing?
[00:46:55] changing? Andy Burnham. The Prime
[00:46:59] Prime Minister, wants a closer relationship
[00:47:01] relationship with the European Union.
[00:47:05] Union. If we are serious about promoting
[00:47:08] promoting growth controlling immigration, immigration, upholding our values
[00:47:12] values and security. It is a conversation
[00:47:15] conversation we must have. Sticking
[00:47:17] Sticking with the status quo is not
[00:47:20] not good enough for Britain. Worse,
[00:47:23] Worse, it would be a major dereliction
[00:47:24] dereliction of duty to turn away.
[00:47:27] away. A UK EU summit will take place place in Brussels at the end of next
[00:47:31] next month. The Prime Minister says says he wants to reduce the administrative
[00:47:34] administrative burden on farmers, farmers, deepen co-operation on immigration
[00:47:37] immigration and discuss a youth mobility
[00:47:39] mobility scheme. But with what trade
[00:47:43] trade offs and costs? His exact words
[00:47:45] words earlier this year were the the last thing we should do right
[00:47:49] right now is rerun those arguments.
[00:47:51] arguments. And yet here he is unpicking
[00:47:54] unpicking the deal this country signed
[00:47:56] signed with the EU a decade after
[00:47:59] after the referendum. He is not going going to get a better deal. And another
[00:48:03] another thing the Prime Minister Minister said about Brexit has got
[00:48:06] got some people talking. Take a listen. listen. I asked a question coming
[00:48:09] coming into Downing Street. Was there
[00:48:13] there interference in the 2016 referendum referendum from Russia? And I've I've had the clear answer that yes
[00:48:16] yes there was. Over the weekend on on the Rest Is Politics podcast.
[00:48:20] podcast. He implied that the referendum
[00:48:23] referendum result was illegitimate illegitimate because of Russian interference.
[00:48:26] interference. Where has this come come from? We all remember in 2018,
[00:48:30] 2018, the head of MI5 said that there there was no evidence that Russia
[00:48:34] Russia had influenced the EU referendum referendum result. I implied no such
[00:48:38] such thing, the Prime Minister insisted,
[00:48:40] insisted, adding. It is a matter
[00:48:42] matter of record, Mr Speaker, that
[00:48:44] that Russian actors sought to interfere
[00:48:48] interfere in the 2029 general election
[00:48:49] election and we think it is inconceivable
[00:48:53] inconceivable that this was the first
[00:48:55] first time. The Liberal Democrats Democrats commended what they called
[00:48:59] called his courage in saying this, this, adding he should publish the
[00:49:02] the evidence. So will he now present
[00:49:04] present it to the House in full alongside
[00:49:07] alongside any evidence of interference
[00:49:09] interference in other UK votes? Mr
[00:49:11] Mr Burnham didn't promise to do so
[00:49:14] so earlier. The Reform UK leader
[00:49:16] leader was blunt in his assessment.
[00:49:19] assessment. The Prime Minister is
[00:49:21] is a liar. Yes, a liar. There was
[00:49:27] was no Russian interference and the
[00:49:28] the Russia hoax has run all the way
[00:49:31] way through this. A new Prime Minister Minister and our relationship with
[00:49:35] with the European Union. Brexit is
[00:49:38] is back in the political debate.
[00:49:40] debate. Now. A round up of stories stories making headlines across the
[00:49:43] the globe. Protesters led by India's
[00:49:46] India's main opposition, the Congress Congress Party, have been marching
[00:49:49] marching in Delhi towards the Supreme Supreme Court demanding the resignation
[00:49:52] resignation of the chief election election commissioner after the removal
[00:49:55] removal of millions of names from from voter lists. This comes after
[00:49:59] after thousands of protesters were were detained, then released this
[00:50:02] this weekend, including the leaders leaders of the Gen Z movement. The
[00:50:05] The Cockroach Janta Party hundreds
[00:50:08] hundreds of French supermarkets have have been hit by a cyber attack that
[00:50:12] that caused their fridges and freezers freezers to heat up, spoiling fresh
[00:50:15] fresh and frozen food estimated to
[00:50:17] to be worth millions of euros. Hackers Hackers reportedly gained control
[00:50:21] control of the software that regulates regulates the temperatures of the
[00:50:24] the refrigeration units, forcing
[00:50:26] forcing some to warm to 50 Celsius
[00:50:30] Celsius or 122 Fahrenheit. Overnight, Overnight, the prosecutor's office
[00:50:32] office in Paris says it has launched
[00:50:35] launched an investigation and Pope
[00:50:37] Pope Leo has cancelled all audiences audiences until the 20th of October,
[00:50:41] October, as he's expected to undergo undergo surgery. The Pope will reportedly
[00:50:45] reportedly be admitted to Rome's Rome's Gemelli Hospital on Tuesday
[00:50:48] Tuesday morning as he prepares for for an operation to remove a small
[00:50:51] small nodule on one of his lungs. lungs. The Vatican said the growth
[00:50:54] growth had been found on a recent recent check up and had been found
[00:50:58] found early. There's been no confirmation confirmation when the surgery would
[00:51:01] would take place. Now, to a feat
[00:51:06] feat of rather enormous proportions, proportions, one of the world's most
[00:51:09] most renowned pumpkin weighing competitions competitions has seen the greatest
[00:51:12] greatest in gourds descend on Northern Northern California on Monday. The
[00:51:16] The showdown sees the world's most most passionate pumpkin producers
[00:51:20] producers face off on the scales
[00:51:22] scales in the hope of breaking a
[00:51:24] a world record. Well, the more than
[00:51:26] than 2000 mile journey from Minnesota Minnesota to California paid off
[00:51:30] off for this year's winner, Travis
[00:51:33] Travis Ginger, who is now a five five times champion. His pumpkin,
[00:51:36] pumpkin, aptly named Rocky, took
[00:51:38] took the crown in at £2,389 or just
[00:51:43] just over 1000kg. Now, to put that
[00:51:45] that into perspective, that's roughly
[00:51:48] roughly 11979 Volkswagen Beetle convertible,
[00:51:50] convertible, a touch heavier than
[00:51:53] than Pennsylvania's Liberty Bell Bell or approximately the size of
[00:51:57] of two average sized cows. It's heavy
[00:52:00] heavy basically. Now, despite weighing weighing over one tonne, Travis and
[00:52:04] and Rocky did not beat his personal
[00:52:05] personal record set in 2023 with
[00:52:12] with a £2,749 pumpkin. Well, earlier earlier I spoke to Travis Ginger
[00:52:15] Ginger in the minutes just after
[00:52:16] after he secured that fifth title.
[00:52:19] title. Well, thank you so much. It It just feels great to have this
[00:52:22] this big pumpkin behind me and be
[00:52:24] be done. And five time champion.
[00:52:27] champion. Now you don't live in California
[00:52:29] California do you, Travis? You actually
[00:52:32] actually drove over 2000 miles carrying carrying that pumpkin, which weighs,
[00:52:35] weighs, I believe £2,389. So well
[00:52:39] well over a tonne. What was that that journey like and how terrified
[00:52:43] terrified were you that it might might not survive the journey? We've
[00:52:46] We've done it now five times and and it's always a challenge. We don't
[00:52:49] don't know if that pumpkin makes makes it till it gets here, believe
[00:52:52] believe it or not. But it's always
[00:52:54] always a challenge hauling it across
[00:52:56] across the country that distance.
[00:52:58] distance. But it made it great and
[00:53:00] and we're just happy. So take us
[00:53:03] us inside your method, Travis. What's What's your secret sauce? Because
[00:53:07] Because you are a champion when it it comes to pumpkin growing. Presumably
[00:53:10] Presumably you grow more than one.
[00:53:12] one. How do you know that the one one is going to be the one? What?
[00:53:15] What? What early signs does it show show and how do you nurture it and
[00:53:18] and get it to the full potential potential that we see behind you
[00:53:21] you now? Yeah, we really don't. But
[00:53:25] But we pick the one. It's about 15ft
[00:53:27] 15ft down on the main vine and we we just grow it. So we hope that
[00:53:31] that it doesn't split. We hope it it holds together. And with this
[00:53:35] this I knew it was big. I just didn't didn't know how much it would weigh
[00:53:38] weigh because they can vary quite quite a bit in weight. I mean this
[00:53:41] this thing should have weight about about £2,600 and it went quite a
[00:53:44] a bit light. But we're still happy.
[00:53:48] happy. And you've won multiple times times though there must be something something that you're doing that
[00:53:52] that other people aren't quite managing.
[00:53:55] managing. Yeah. We try and manage
[00:53:56] manage the soil pretty well, use
[00:53:59] use a good biological blend for our
[00:54:02] our fertilisers and just really kind kind of just touch it lightly with
[00:54:06] with some fertiliser and some biology biology and get that soil cranking.
[00:54:09] cranking. Wow. Give it some TLC.
[00:54:11] TLC. Now I gather there were 45 other
[00:54:13] other competitors. Just take us inside
[00:54:16] inside the world of competitive pumpkin pumpkin growing. Why did you get
[00:54:19] get into it? What excites you about about it and what was it like at
[00:54:23] at that moment of announcing your
[00:54:25] your win today? Yeah. So how I got
[00:54:28] got into it was my dad was growing growing small pumpkins back in the
[00:54:31] the day and I saw these big pumpkins pumpkins at the state fair and I
[00:54:34] I thought, oh, I could do that. So So back when I was 14 years old,
[00:54:37] old, I grew a 447 pounder. It was
[00:54:39] was a big pumpkin for back in the
[00:54:41] the day. 30 years later, I set the the world record and I've just been
[00:54:45] been doing it ever since. So we don't don't know what these things are
[00:54:48] are going to do, but it's just been
[00:54:51] been a great ride. And yeah. I can
[00:54:53] can see lots of people behind you,
[00:54:56] you, Travis touching it, taking pictures. pictures. This is its big moment.
[00:55:00] moment. But what happens next to to the pumpkin? This pumpkin will
[00:55:03] will go to an event to get carved. carved. It will be sculpted into
[00:55:06] into a 3D sculpture from all different different sides. Carvers will spend
[00:55:10] spend five days carving this pumpkin. pumpkin. And what about people who
[00:55:13] who come up to you and say, how do do I do this? What advice are you
[00:55:17] you offering people? You know, I I just say start small. Start with
[00:55:19] with one or two plants and don't don't get overboard and just focus
[00:55:23] focus on what you got to do and enjoying enjoying a group that knows about
[00:55:27] about these. And what actually happens
[00:55:30] happens there today. I can see that that more and more people coming
[00:55:32] coming up to take pictures just take take us inside the event itself.
[00:55:36] itself. Yeah. So the event has hundreds hundreds upon hundreds of people.
[00:55:40] people. Now that the event's done, done, the pumpkins are free to come
[00:55:43] come see and get pictures with your your family. And then there's a big
[00:55:46] big festival next weekend. So it's it's definitely not over. And what's
[00:55:50] what's your goal? What's your future future ambition here in terms of
[00:55:54] of the weight that you hope that that one day you might achieve? You
[00:55:57] You know, it's going to take a lot lot to get the world record. They They just broke it. So I think right
[00:56:01] right now we've got to stay focused focused and I would love to break
[00:56:04] break the world record again. Well Well done Travis. I'm Amanda Walker.
[00:56:08] Walker. Thank you for watching World World News
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