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[00:00:12] Live from Singapore. This is BBC
[00:00:18] BBC News. Democratic Congresswoman Congresswoman Haley Stevens endorses
[00:00:21] endorses the Republican Party's Senate Senate candidate in the key battleground
[00:00:25] battleground state of Michigan. The The latest twist in a crucial Senate
[00:00:28] Senate race two days ahead of US US mid-term elections, Ukraine's
[00:00:32] Ukraine's military says its air raid raid alert app is likely to have
[00:00:36] have been hacked after citizens received received false warnings about threats
[00:00:39] threats of radiation and chemical chemical attacks. Buckingham Palace
[00:00:43] Palace says King Charles will speak
[00:00:45] speak with unflinching honesty and
[00:00:47] and sincere sorrow about slavery
[00:00:50] slavery at the Commonwealth Leaders Leaders Summit in the Caribbean and
[00:00:53] and on Business Today, the world's world's largest cryptocurrency exchange,
[00:00:56] exchange, Binance, sees record withdrawals
[00:00:59] withdrawals after it reopened on
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[00:01:15] You're watching news I'm
[00:01:17] Vandhna Bhan the US mid-term elections
[00:01:20] elections are just two days away.
[00:01:22] away. Millions of voters across the the country will determine the balance
[00:01:26] balance of power in Congress. And And while the Democrats are widely
[00:01:29] widely predicted to flip the House House of Representatives, the Senate
[00:01:32] Senate is still up for grabs. Candidates
[00:01:35] Candidates in battleground states states like Texas and Michigan are
[00:01:38] are making the final push to voters voters in the hopes of swaying Tuesday's
[00:01:42] Tuesday's results. Now these are are live
[00:01:48] Live pictures from Kansas, where President Trump is continuing continuing his months long campaign campaign blitz for Republicans ahead
[00:01:52] ahead of polling day. The party got
[00:01:53] got an unexpected last minute boost
[00:01:56] boost in a critical US Senate race.
[00:02:00] race. Now in Michigan, Democratic Democratic Congresswoman Haley Stevens
[00:02:04] Stevens broke with her party by endorsing
[00:02:06] endorsing Republican Senate candidate candidate Mike Rogers. It follows
[00:02:09] follows a rift with her fellow Democrat
[00:02:11] Democrat and nominee for Senate Abdul
[00:02:14] Abdul El-Sayed, who defeated her her in the primary. Stevens criticised
[00:02:18] criticised him over a political ad ad by an outside group, blaming Israel
[00:02:22] Israel for high grocery prices. Stevens
[00:02:24] Stevens then appeared with Rogers Rogers on the campaign trail. Where
[00:02:28] Where she explained a little more more of why her support has shifted.
[00:02:31] shifted. My vote for Senate is going going to be with Mike Rogers, and
[00:02:35] and I will tell you why because we
[00:02:38] we have to stand with country. We
[00:02:41] We can't stand with hate. And I'm
[00:02:43] I'm sorry people are upset and I
[00:02:45] I understand that I did endorse the the Democratic nominee and he chose
[00:02:49] chose to close this campaign by saying saying I wasn't welcome. I've never
[00:02:53] never been invited to a campaign campaign event. That's fine. You You know, he's busy. He's running
[00:02:56] running all around. I've had primaries primaries before myself. It's not
[00:02:59] not about that. It's this is about
[00:03:02] about leadership and integrity. President President Trump praised Stevens for
[00:03:06] for her decision to endorse Rogers,
[00:03:09] Rogers, saying he would welcome her
[00:03:11] her to the Republican Party. Al Sayed, Sayed, meanwhile, called the endorsement
[00:03:14] endorsement a distraction and spoke spoke out against his former primary
[00:03:18] primary challenger. So look, if you're you're somebody who believes that
[00:03:21] that we ought to have more rights, rights, not less than I would think
[00:03:24] think you would support me in this this race. If you are somebody who
[00:03:27] who believes that we should stand stand up to hate, and you have watched
[00:03:30] watched this last campaign, I think think we probably would not want
[00:03:33] want to support Mike Rogers and Donald
[00:03:34] Donald Trump and JD Vance. Our North
[00:03:37] North America correspondent Nada Nada Tawfik was at Al-Sayed's rally
[00:03:40] rally in Michigan. We have been speaking speaking with voters all day long
[00:03:44] long who were just as stunned by
[00:03:46] by this move. By Haley Stevens, who,
[00:03:49] who, remember, was running in the the primary to take on Mike Rogers
[00:03:53] Rogers before she lost to Mr El-Sayed.
[00:03:57] El-Sayed. Voters very much see this
[00:03:59] this as a disappointment, as a distraction
[00:04:02] distraction ahead of, you know, a a few days before the election when
[00:04:05] when this is such a critical seat seat for Democrats in their fight
[00:04:09] fight to retake the Senate. They They believe that this is a betrayal
[00:04:12] betrayal of the Democratic Party
[00:04:14] Party that Haley Stevens has abandoned
[00:04:17] abandoned or her core kind of beliefs
[00:04:19] beliefs as a Democrat. And we have
[00:04:21] have seen a flurry of reaction from
[00:04:24] from top Democrats, not just in Michigan
[00:04:27] Michigan but in Washington as well. well. The Democratic leader, Chuck
[00:04:30] Chuck Schumer in the Senate, also also trying to portray the party
[00:04:34] party as united. And we have heard
[00:04:36] heard from Haley Stevens own staff, staff, including her chief of staff,
[00:04:39] staff, who said that many have resigned
[00:04:42] resigned because they don't want want to see this sowing of discord
[00:04:46] discord right before the election. election. Now, on the state of Texas,
[00:04:49] Texas, more than half $1 billion billion has been spent on advertising
[00:04:53] advertising alone, making it the
[00:04:55] the most expensive non-presidential non-presidential race in American
[00:04:58] American history. Democrat James James Talarico and Republican Ken
[00:05:01] Ken Paxton are in a race that's too
[00:05:04] too close to call. Well, let's bring bring in our correspondent in Washington,
[00:05:07] Washington, Will Grant. Well, this this is the most expensive political
[00:05:11] political campaign in US history history aside from presidential ones.
[00:05:14] ones. I mean, how significant is is it for the Republicans? What would
[00:05:18] would it mean if they actually lost
[00:05:22] lost Texas? It would be huge. It's
[00:05:24] It's you know, it's been decades decades since there's been a Democratic
[00:05:28] Democratic senator in Texas. It's It's such a vital state. And I think
[00:05:32] think what makes it so important important is that what it would tell
[00:05:35] tell us if there was a Democratic Democratic senator out of Texas for
[00:05:38] for the rest of the races, particularly,
[00:05:41] particularly, you know, looking at at President Trump's dwindling popularity
[00:05:45] popularity at the moment, the importance importance of the Latino vote, obviously,
[00:05:49] obviously, in a state like Texas
[00:05:51] Texas where people are reacting against against a number of things. First
[00:05:55] First and foremost, of course, the
[00:05:56] the cost of living that's a an issue
[00:06:01] issue across the nation. It has resonance, resonance, particularly in Texas,
[00:06:04] Texas, particularly in rural states
[00:06:06] states where the war with Iran is is pushing up the cost, obviously,
[00:06:10] obviously, of fuel, but also the
[00:06:12] the cost of fertiliser. You know,
[00:06:14] know, other products, oil based products products are all rising. And of course,
[00:06:17] course, the cost of living in terms terms of filling up your car with
[00:06:21] with gas. So these are the things
[00:06:23] things that if it does swing to a
[00:06:26] a Democratic senator out of Texas,
[00:06:29] Texas, you know, an almost unthinkable
[00:06:31] unthinkable prospect for the Republican Republican Party in many ways, it
[00:06:35] it really is an it would be an indication
[00:06:38] indication of where the night will will be heading or where the race
[00:06:41] race will be heading more broadly. broadly. All right, Will Grant, thank
[00:06:44] thank you for getting us across those
[00:06:47] those details. Now, Ohio, a state
[00:06:49] state President Trump won by 11 points
[00:06:52] points in 2024, is now a toss up. up. Republican incumbent Senator
[00:06:56] Senator Jon Husted is in a neck and
[00:06:57] and neck race with former three term
[00:07:00] term senator Democrat Sherrod Brown.
[00:07:01] Brown. The outcome of this race could
[00:07:04] could determine who has control of of Congress. My colleague Amanda
[00:07:08] Amanda Walker has been speaking with with Mr Husted ahead of the vote.
[00:07:11] vote. First of all, people are really really crying out for the cost of
[00:07:15] of living to start going down. They They were promised that in 2024.
[00:07:18] 2024. It hasn't happened. What steps steps would you take to lower costs
[00:07:21] costs for working families if you
[00:07:23] you win? Yeah, look under Joe Biden,
[00:07:26] Biden, the inflation rate reached
[00:07:28] reached 9%. Gas was $5 a gallon. gallon. It's come down but not far
[00:07:32] far enough. The bottom line is is is that you have to create the supply
[00:07:36] supply to meet demand. What happened happened with some of the radical
[00:07:39] radical environmental policies of of the past is that closed down pipelines,
[00:07:42] pipelines, refineries and power plants. plants. And so we don't have enough enough supply to meet demand. In
[00:07:46] In my own state of Ohio. We used
[00:07:48] used to be a net electricity exporter.
[00:07:51] exporter. Now we're a net electricity electricity importer and that has has driven up prices, which make
[00:07:55] make it harder for people to pay pay their bills and make ends meet.
[00:07:58] meet. So we've got to we've got to to increase the supply to meet the
[00:08:01] the demands. We can lower those prices. prices. And I have lots of plans
[00:08:04] plans to be able to do that. We also also need to let people keep more
[00:08:07] more of what they earn to spend and and save on their priorities. That's That's what the working family tax
[00:08:11] tax cut was about. No taxes on tips, tips, overtime or social security.
[00:08:14] security. All of those things help help people pay the bills at the the end of the week. And as most
[00:08:18] most voters see it, the biggest reason reason for the rise in gas prices prices in particular is, of course,
[00:08:22] course, the Iran war. It's hard to to bring down any prices while that's
[00:08:25] that's still going on. You've called called for a swift end to it, but
[00:08:28] but you also voted against ending
[00:08:29] ending it. Why? Well, I want the
[00:08:33] the war to come to an end, but I I don't want it to come to an end
[00:08:36] end on Iran's terms. I want it to to come to an end on reasonable terms
[00:08:39] terms that America can agree to. to. They can't have a nuclear weapon
[00:08:42] weapon and they can't control the the Strait of Hormuz. If that is
[00:08:45] is the case, then prices will never never come down. But that's going
[00:08:49] going to be temporary. The war will will come to an end soon. We will
[00:08:51] will get new oil in America and into into the market from Venezuela. That
[00:08:55] That will help drive down prices. But wouldn't that vote? How How do we deal with the most effective
[00:08:59] effective way we got to deal with with the long-term? The long-term
[00:09:01] long-term problem is, is that we we have pipelines that have been
[00:09:05] been shut down, refineries have been been shut down, power plants have
[00:09:07] have been shut down. Those are part part of the Democrats agenda, not
[00:09:11] not my agenda. And if we can build build that supply to meet demand,
[00:09:14] demand, we will lower prices of all all the things that people need to
[00:09:17] to live and thrive. But as many voters voters see it, Senator, you broke
[00:09:19] broke with President Trump in words words but not with actions. Has that
[00:09:23] that contradiction been a challenge challenge for you on the campaign campaign trail? We know that voters
[00:09:27] voters do not like this war. Yeah,
[00:09:30] Yeah, and I don't I want it to come come to an end too. I agree with
[00:09:33] with him, but it is a vote doesn't doesn't get it done. A peace deal
[00:09:36] deal gets it done and that has to to come together. When Iran understands
[00:09:40] understands that it has no other other options, its economy is failing.
[00:09:43] failing. Its military is it is failed.
[00:09:46] failed. Their navy is at the bottom bottom of the ocean and they need need to come to an agreement and
[00:09:50] and they will. I'm quite confident confident they will soon after the
[00:09:53] the election is over and that will will help because this is temporary.
[00:09:55] temporary. We'll drive down these these prices, but the permanent issues,
[00:09:58] issues, that's what you're electing electing people also to deal with. with. And if you don't have pipelines,
[00:10:02] pipelines, you don't have power plants, plants, you don't have refineries, refineries, then you're going to
[00:10:06] to have higher prices. I want to to build all of those things and and make it easier to build those
[00:10:10] those things so we can drive down down the cost of living for people people in America. There has been
[00:10:13] been lots of talk of more strikes strikes after the midterm elections.
[00:10:17] elections. Do you support that idea?
[00:10:19] idea? I support bringing the war
[00:10:21] war to an end and having a good deal
[00:10:24] deal between America and Iran and
[00:10:25] and for the world so that we have have peace, a peaceful way forward
[00:10:29] forward in the Strait of Hormuz with with Iran, and that they don't have
[00:10:32] have a nuclear weapon. But do you you support more strikes? The tactical
[00:10:36] tactical aspects of that? I of course, course, as a senator, I'm not involved
[00:10:39] involved in that is up to the administration. administration. This administration
[00:10:43] administration is going to be up up there whether no matter what the the outcome of the midterm election
[00:10:46] election is, President Trump's in in his final term, and we need to
[00:10:49] to get a deal done with Iran. And
[00:10:52] And I hope I hope also in the Ukraine Ukraine and with Russia, because
[00:10:56] because that is also a problem for
[00:10:58] for diesel prices in particular,
[00:11:00] particular, that that war is also also impacting the cost of living
[00:11:03] living for people around the world.
[00:11:05] world. OK, let's talk Ohio data centres
[00:11:08] centres have been a contentious issue issue throughout the country, and
[00:11:11] and especially in Ohio. As lieutenant lieutenant governor, you've been
[00:11:14] been responsible for attracting a a lot of that business to the state.
[00:11:17] state. Ohio, now ranked one of the the top states in the country to
[00:11:20] to do business. So big investments investments and jobs. Yet we know
[00:11:23] know that data centres are very unpopular unpopular among voters because of
[00:11:26] of energy costs, water usage, local local quality of life. How do you
[00:11:30] you plan to bridge that very real
[00:11:33] real divide? Well, it's a local decision. decision. The federal government
[00:11:36] government shouldn't be telling a a local community whether they have have a data centre or not. It's up
[00:11:40] up to them. If they want one, great. great. If they don't, then they shouldn't shouldn't have to have one. What
[00:11:43] What the federal government can do do is hold them accountable for energy energy prices. That's why I sponsored
[00:11:47] sponsored the Ratepayer Protection Protection Act to force data centres
[00:11:49] centres to pay for their own electric
[00:11:53] electric generation and infrastructure. infrastructure. And that's very popular.
[00:11:55] popular. It passed the House of Representatives, Representatives, but Senate Democrats
[00:11:58] Democrats blocked it. Chuck Schumer Schumer at the behest of Sherrod Sherrod Brown, blocked my legislation
[00:12:02] legislation or we would have that that done today. We would be holding
[00:12:05] holding data centres accountable. accountable. But the Democrats haven't
[00:12:08] haven't let us do that. They talk talk about affordability. They don't
[00:12:10] don't want to do anything about affordability. affordability. That's how you address address the issues surrounding data
[00:12:14] data centres. OK. President Trump
[00:12:17] Trump has a fixation with you that that has been a talking point of
[00:12:20] of these midterms. It's attracted attracted a lot of attention, even even been referenced on Saturday
[00:12:24] Saturday Night Live. Has that attention attention been a help or a hindrance
[00:12:28] hindrance to your campaign? Oh, you
[00:12:30] you know what? It's given us a few
[00:12:33] few chuckles as we've run a very very competitive campaign. My wife
[00:12:36] wife and I have a great sense of
[00:12:38] of humour, but I feel a renewed responsibility responsibility to spend more time
[00:12:41] time working out so I can keep up up my reputation. But president's
[00:12:44] president's been campaigning hard hard for us and you know, you have
[00:12:48] have to have a few laughs along the
[00:12:50] the way in a bitter campaign. And And as former Secretary of State,
[00:12:54] State, you have, of course been on on the front lines of election security,
[00:12:57] security, which President Trump has has repeatedly been calling into
[00:13:00] into question. Will you accept the
[00:13:03] the outcome of the election regardless
[00:13:05] regardless of who wins? Well, I created
[00:13:07] created the election system in Ohio Ohio where it's easy to vote and
[00:13:10] and hard to cheat. And I think we
[00:13:13] we run great elections in Ohio, and and I expect that they will be run
[00:13:16] run well and that we will embrace embrace the outcome no matter what
[00:13:19] what that is. And if Donald Trump Trump challenges the integrity of
[00:13:22] of results in Ohio or elsewhere, elsewhere, will you speak out? I'm
[00:13:25] I'm going to speak. I'm going to to speak for myself, not for anybody
[00:13:27] anybody else. I believe in Ohio elections.
[00:13:30] elections. Now. The BBC reached out
[00:13:33] out to Ohio's Democratic candidate
[00:13:35] candidate for Senate, Sherrod Brown. Brown. However, he declined to be
[00:13:39] be interviewed. Now we'll be bringing bringing you more after a short break,
[00:13:42] break, including an apparent hacking hacking attack which Ukraine says
[00:13:46] says has compromised its air alert alert app
[00:14:48] gains. Follow our coverage right
[00:14:50] right here on BBC News. Live with
[00:15:00] with BBC News. The Ukrainian Air Air Force has said its air alert
[00:15:03] alert app is likely to have been
[00:15:06] been compromised in an apparent hacking hacking attack on Sunday evening.
[00:15:09] evening. Many Ukrainians using the
[00:15:10] the app received false notifications
[00:15:14] notifications about a radiological radiological threat, a chemical attack
[00:15:16] attack and even a message about possible
[00:15:18] possible street fighting in Kyiv. Kyiv. The authorities say functionality
[00:15:21] functionality in the app is gradually
[00:15:24] gradually being restored. Meanwhile, Meanwhile, on Monday, Russia's Ministry
[00:15:27] Ministry of Emergency Situation said
[00:15:29] said its mobile app had been subjected
[00:15:31] subjected to what it called a massive massive cyber attack. It said this
[00:15:35] this had resulted in the distribution distribution of fake information
[00:15:38] information to the public, and that that work was under way to fix the
[00:15:42] the vulnerability. Well, let's get get more on this with Herbert Lin,
[00:15:45] Lin, a senior research scholar for
[00:15:46] for cyber policy and security at
[00:15:49] at Stanford University. Herbert previously
[00:15:51] previously served on President Obama's
[00:15:54] Obama's Commission on Enhancing National National cyber security. Really great
[00:15:57] great to be able to get your thoughts thoughts on this, Herbert. I mean,
[00:15:59] mean, first of all, how concerning concerning is this kind of attack?
[00:16:03] attack? What was the motive behind
[00:16:04] behind it? Well, apparently it was
[00:16:08] was used just to distribute false
[00:16:12] false messages to the Ukrainian public
[00:16:15] public to, you know, disturb them. them. I mean, the information was
[00:16:19] was false. And if you took it literally,
[00:16:22] literally, it would be upsetting upsetting and, you know, concerning
[00:16:24] concerning and, you know, and perhaps
[00:16:28] perhaps life threatening. But I think
[00:16:29] think that the Iranians sorry, the
[00:16:32] the Ukrainians are really quite familiar
[00:16:35] familiar with this. And so my guess
[00:16:37] guess is that in the long run, it
[00:16:41] it didn't have much impact. And the the Ukrainian government corrected
[00:16:45] corrected it pretty quickly. Given Given I mean, talking about the attack
[00:16:48] attack itself, given the sophistication sophistication required to carry
[00:16:51] carry out such cyber attacks. I mean, mean, what does this tell us about
[00:16:54] about the evolution of Russian cyber
[00:16:58] cyber operations in this war? Well,
[00:17:00] Well, Russia has conducted a variety
[00:17:02] variety of cyber operations against against Ukraine during the war since
[00:17:05] since it started and before, you
[00:17:08] you know, for it's had cyber operations
[00:17:11] operations against Ukraine for a
[00:17:12] a very long time. This particular
[00:17:16] particular hack doesn't seem to me
[00:17:17] me to be out of the ordinary in the
[00:17:20] the sense that it is a you know, know, it's a serious hack. It you
[00:17:23] you know, it compromises an important
[00:17:26] important channel for communicating communicating with the Ukrainian
[00:17:29] Ukrainian public. But you have to
[00:17:32] to expect that good hackers, which which the Russians are, will get
[00:17:36] get in every now and then and will will do their you know, their nasty
[00:17:40] nasty things. So this is you know,
[00:17:43] know, this is concerning. And I think think it's the first time that this
[00:17:46] this has happened to an official
[00:17:50] official Ukrainian information app.
[00:17:53] app. But I suspect it won't be the the last. Are they getting more sophisticated.
[00:17:57] sophisticated. Well, somewhat. We We don't know how they did it. Maybe
[00:18:01] Maybe they used tools from AI and and so on. And maybe they will in
[00:18:05] in the future be able to do it more. more. But we don't we just don't
[00:18:09] don't know that yet. Herbert. Globally, Globally, how vulnerable are these
[00:18:12] these sort of government apps to
[00:18:13] to this exact kind of hostile hijacking?
[00:18:18] hijacking? Well, all all computer computer programmes have bugs in
[00:18:20] in them. And what the AI does is
[00:18:25] is it gives gives you better ways
[00:18:27] ways of compromising them more rapidly rapidly so that you can attack them
[00:18:31] them more quickly. So right now it's
[00:18:34] it's all a the AI is definitely a
[00:18:39] a plus for the attacker in the long long run. Will it become is is it
[00:18:43] it a plus for the attacker? Well Well I think it is. But will time
[00:18:46] time will tell on that. But it's it's certainly right now a plus for
[00:18:49] for the attacker. All right. Herbert Herbert Lom really appreciate getting
[00:18:52] getting your analysis there. Senior Senior research scholar for cyber
[00:18:54] cyber policy and security at Stanford Stanford University. Well let's take
[00:18:58] take a look at some other stories
[00:19:01] stories in the news. Heavily armed armed Australian police officers
[00:19:04] officers have started patrolling patrolling the streets of Sydney
[00:19:07] Sydney in response to last year's year's deadly attack on Bondi Beach.
[00:19:10] Beach. The Armed Response Command
[00:19:12] Command was established after gunmen
[00:19:14] gunmen killed 15 people during celebrations celebrations for the Jewish Festival
[00:19:18] Festival of Hanukkah. More than 200 200 officers are part of the specialist
[00:19:21] specialist unit. New South Wales
[00:19:23] Wales Police say the aim is to deter,
[00:19:25] deter, prevent and respond to serious serious armed threats while reassuring
[00:19:29] reassuring the public. In Bulgaria, Bulgaria, the pro-Kremlin presidential
[00:19:33] presidential candidate, Iliana Litova, Litova, has won the country's run
[00:19:36] run off election. The Bulgarian presidency presidency is largely ceremonial.
[00:19:39] ceremonial. Miss Litova, who favours favours dialogue with Russia and
[00:19:43] and opposes military aid to Ukraine, Ukraine, will become Bulgaria's first
[00:19:47] first elected female head of state.
[00:19:50] state. Now Buckingham Palace says
[00:19:52] says King Charles will speak about
[00:19:55] about slavery with unflinching honesty honesty and sincere sorrow when he
[00:19:59] he addresses the Commonwealth Leaders
[00:20:00] Leaders Summit in Antigua on Tuesday. Tuesday. The King is starting three
[00:20:04] three days of formal engagements engagements there as part of a wider
[00:20:08] wider tour of the Caribbean. It's It's understood his speech won't won't be affected by comments made
[00:20:12] made by the UK Prime Minister, Andy Andy Burnham, raising the possibility
[00:20:16] possibility of a formal apology for for Britain's role in the transatlantic
[00:20:20] transatlantic slave trade. The British British government has never made
[00:20:22] made a formal apology for slavery
[00:20:24] slavery or offered to pay reparations.
[00:20:27] reparations. Here's our political political correspondent Joe Pike.
[00:20:31] Pike. Throughout his Caribbean tour, tour, the King has acknowledged slavery's
[00:20:34] slavery's place in the history of
[00:20:36] of these islands. The Caribbean community
[00:20:38] community have a ten-point plan for for reparations, including investment
[00:20:42] investment in education and public public health. But Andy Burnham has
[00:20:45] has ruled out anything financial. financial. The Chancellor explained
[00:20:48] explained his boss's thinking. The The Prime Minister has said look,
[00:20:52] look, we are open to a discussion
[00:20:54] discussion about an apology. He feels feels that that's the right thing,
[00:20:58] thing, particularly ahead of the the Commonwealth Leaders Conference.
[00:21:01] Conference. But he doesn't believe believe that reparations are the
[00:21:04] the right approach and considering considering a formal apology doesn't
[00:21:07] doesn't mean accepting that British British people now should accept
[00:21:10] accept the financial liability for
[00:21:12] for any party. In things that happened happened hundreds of years ago in
[00:21:15] in which they had no role. For the the Conservatives, even the offer
[00:21:19] offer of an apology is navel gazing
[00:21:22] gazing and a distraction. It is time time for the Commonwealth to start
[00:21:25] start looking forwards, not endlessly endlessly backwards. And why now?
[00:21:28] now? Why not in the 60s, 70s, 80s? 80s? Why are we - why are we having
[00:21:31] having this conversation today? What What is it? Because lots of Commonwealth Commonwealth leaders are asking for
[00:21:35] for it? Yes, that's what I mean. mean. Why are they asking for. It
[00:21:39] It now? It is because many of these these countries are struggling with
[00:21:42] with the same issues that we are are struggling with. They're not not becoming richer. They don't know
[00:21:45] know what to do. So they want to to ask Britain for more money. My
[00:21:48] My answer is no. We should not even
[00:21:50] even be entertaining the idea of
[00:21:53] of reparations. In Antigua, where
[00:21:55] where Andy Burnham will arrive tomorrow.
[00:21:57] tomorrow. Views on an official apology
[00:21:59] apology are mixed. If someone is is apologising, I mean they've done
[00:22:03] done something wrong and if they've
[00:22:05] they've done wrong, apology is a a good start. No, I don't think the
[00:22:09] the UK should apologise for anything anything because the slave trade
[00:22:12] trade has happened years ago and and what's in the past should stay
[00:22:14] stay in the past and people should should learn from the past and not
[00:22:17] not try to live in the past. The
[00:22:20] The King will address the Commonwealth Commonwealth Heads of Government Government on Tuesday. A message
[00:22:24] message of unflinching honesty and
[00:22:26] and sincere sorrow is expected to
[00:22:29] to feature in that speech. Joe Pike, Pike, BBC News. Well, let's get more
[00:22:33] more on this with Bert Samuels, deputy deputy chairman of Jamaica's National
[00:22:37] National Council on Reparations. Reparations. He was part of the legal legal team that helped formulate
[00:22:40] formulate and file Jamaica's recent recent petition to King Charles regarding
[00:22:44] regarding Britain's role in the transatlantic
[00:22:47] transatlantic slave trade and demands demands for reparations. Great to
[00:22:50] to be able to speak with you here, here, Bert. I mean, look, King Charles
[00:22:53] Charles has had quite a warm welcome welcome to the Caribbean last week.
[00:22:56] week. He's due to speak in Antigua
[00:22:58] Antigua this week at this conference. conference. What are we expecting
[00:23:01] expecting there? He's saying that that he's coming with unflinching
[00:23:05] unflinching sorrow but refusing an
[00:23:07] an apology, let alone reparations.
[00:23:10] reparations. Well, the journey has has been years. It has been decades.
[00:23:13] decades. And the fact that Cameron
[00:23:16] Cameron came to Jamaica in 2015 and
[00:23:18] and said that we shouldn't peer into into the past and refuse to even
[00:23:22] even entertain a question of an apology.
[00:23:25] apology. This is a shift that history
[00:23:27] history has pushed the entire conversation conversation into this position because
[00:23:31] because we all have a shared history.
[00:23:33] history. We have. Repairing is a
[00:23:35] a continuing harm from slavery, and and I expect that the pressure that
[00:23:39] that has come to bear, not to rule rule out the fact that in March of
[00:23:42] of this year, the Ghanaian resolution
[00:23:46] resolution categorised the transatlantic transatlantic chattel slavery as
[00:23:49] as the worst crime against humanity
[00:23:50] humanity in recorded history. So
[00:23:53] So there's there is a tide that cannot cannot be resisted that that the
[00:23:57] the King must be responding to at
[00:23:59] at this time. How much pressure are are we are you by yourself and other
[00:24:03] other Caribbean leaders putting on on the King? And do you think that that Caribbean leaders are united
[00:24:07] united in what they want from the
[00:24:08] the King here? Well, the Caribbean
[00:24:12] Caribbean leaders, part of the what
[00:24:15] what you're saying the Commonwealth, Commonwealth, we all have a shared
[00:24:18] shared history and it doesn't mean mean that the consequences are erased
[00:24:22] erased because we are now all independent independent nation. It has not erase
[00:24:26] erase the consequences of our past. past. It's a continuing harm that
[00:24:29] that has visited the Caribbean and
[00:24:32] and the 1st of August 1838, we walked
[00:24:34] walked off the plantation in the
[00:24:37] the Caribbean without 100% unemployment unemployment and we were not compensated.
[00:24:41] compensated. The planters got £20
[00:24:44] £20 million in 1838, which British
[00:24:46] British taxpayers paid off in 2015
[00:24:49] 2015 so that continuing payment means means that it is not centuries old.
[00:24:53] old. The British taxpayers had to
[00:24:54] to be paying up to 11 years
[00:24:58] ago. But there is criticism from from people in the Caribbean as well well that the nation is on the front
[00:25:02] front lines of climate change. Countries Countries are facing severe economic
[00:25:05] economic pressure. Does pursuing
[00:25:07] pursuing a historical claim complement
[00:25:10] complement or actually hinder those
[00:25:12] those challenges in itself? No. I I think that the climate justice
[00:25:15] justice is real. We have not the the Third World and Caribbean countries
[00:25:19] countries have not been responsible responsible for climate change. And
[00:25:22] And we saw the worst hurricane in
[00:25:25] in recorded history in Jamaica last last year. Hurricane Melissa, which
[00:25:29] which is just a year and three days days old in terms of its anniversary.
[00:25:33] anniversary. So we're saying that
[00:25:34] that the devastation of that hurricane
[00:25:37] hurricane has made our vulnerability vulnerability exposed and we are
[00:25:41] are not responsible for climate change. change. So climate justice is a huge
[00:25:44] huge part, but we should not leave
[00:25:46] leave out the fact that the British British Museum has 800 artefacts
[00:25:49] artefacts belonging to Jamaica. So So part of it is not a payment. It
[00:25:52] It is to return and repatriate our
[00:25:55] our artefacts. But I really appreciate appreciate you taking our time to
[00:25:59] to take us through all of that. Bert Bert Samuels, deputy chairman of
[00:26:02] of Jamaica's National Council on on Reparations. That's it from Newsday.
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