BBCNEWS — BBC News Now
20261102 120000 UTC
493 transcript segments
Original Broadcaster Captioning (Enhanced)
Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive.
Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record.

[00:00:13] Live from London. This is BBC
[00:00:15] News just one day to the midterm midterm elections with a last-minute
[00:00:19] last-minute twist in Michigan's Senate Senate race as a prominent Democrat
[00:00:22] Democrat announces her support for
[00:00:24] for the Republican candidate. Ukraine
[00:00:26] Ukraine and Russia's alert apps are are hit by a cyber attack. Ukrainians
[00:00:30] Ukrainians get false notifications notifications about chemical attacks
[00:00:33] attacks and Street fighting in Kyiv. Kyiv. Russia resumes its attacks
[00:00:37] attacks in the Kherson region after after the longest ceasefire of the
[00:00:40] the war ends in the Ukrainian city city of Oleshky. Hundreds do manage
[00:00:43] manage to get out. A business jet
[00:00:46] jet has crashed over a neighbourhood
[00:00:49] neighbourhood in Florida, killing
[00:00:50] killing all nine people on board.
[00:00:53] board. And Italian driver Kimi Antonelli Antonelli makes history in Mexico.
[00:00:56] Mexico. He has become Formula One's
[00:00:59] One's youngest ever world champion champion at just 20. It's incredible.
[00:01:02] incredible. You know, it's a dream dream that I've had since I was since
[00:01:05] since I was a kid. And to finally
[00:01:07] finally achieve it is is really special.
[00:01:09] special. And this is a this has to to be a new starting point as well
[00:01:12] well for me. You know. Hello, I'm
[00:01:24] I'm Lucy Hockings, welcome to BBC BBC News Now final rallies are being
[00:01:27] being held across the US with the
[00:01:28] the midterm elections just one day
[00:01:31] day away. Let's show you the scene. scene. Live in Washington right now.
[00:01:35] now. Tomorrow, millions of voters voters across the country will determine
[00:01:38] determine the balance of power in in Congress. The Democratic Party
[00:01:42] Party has high expectations as it
[00:01:44] it heads into these pivotal elections elections with confidence pretty
[00:01:47] pretty high at the moment because because it's widely predicted that
[00:01:50] that the Democrats will flip the the House of Representatives. The
[00:01:53] The Senate, though still very much much up for grabs. Democratic candidates
[00:01:57] candidates lead in well over 218 218 seats needed to change control
[00:02:00] control of the lower chamber of Congress. Congress. The House of Representatives.
[00:02:04] Representatives. That's the latest latest from the polling. And they
[00:02:07] they are tied or narrowly ahead in in the key Senate races. There has
[00:02:11] has been a last-minute twist, though, though, in a key Senate race with
[00:02:14] with the loser of Michigan's Democratic
[00:02:16] Democratic primary, the representative representative Haley Stevens, endorsing
[00:02:20] endorsing the Republican nominee, nominee, Mike Rogers, instead of
[00:02:23] of her own party's candidate Abdul Abdul El-Sayed. This comes after
[00:02:27] after a public feud between Miss
[00:02:29] Miss Stevens and Mr El-Sayed about about Israel, which led to the cancellation
[00:02:33] cancellation of public appearances appearances together just days before
[00:02:37] before the election. Well, latest latest polls do put the Democrats
[00:02:40] Democrats ahead of the Republicans Republicans in Michigan. It is one
[00:02:42] one of the most important Senate
[00:02:44] Senate races this year. So let's
[00:02:47] let's take you to Bradley Blackburn, Blackburn, CBS correspondent, who
[00:02:51] who is watching these elections so so closely for us. Tell us a bit
[00:02:54] bit more about the significance of
[00:02:56] of what's going on in Michigan. Bradley.
[00:03:00] Bradley. Well, Lucy, we often talk talk about October surprises in US
[00:03:04] US politics. This was a November November surprise out of Michigan
[00:03:08] Michigan that has all of Washington Washington talking this morning sometime
[00:03:11] sometime between Halloween night
[00:03:13] night on the 31st and Sunday Morning
[00:03:16] Morning Haley Stevens the Democratic Democratic congresswoman from Michigan
[00:03:20] Michigan changed her position. She She had given her support to her
[00:03:23] her former primary opponent, Abdul
[00:03:26] Abdul El-Sayed, and she instead said said that she will now back the Republican
[00:03:30] Republican candidate in that critical critical Senate race. She was asked
[00:03:33] asked in an interview on CNN last
[00:03:35] last night about her reasoning for for this decision. She did not provide
[00:03:39] provide many details, but she said said that she had had time to think
[00:03:43] think and she came to this conclusion. conclusion. She is following her
[00:03:46] her heart. We also know that she she is set to leave Congress in just
[00:03:49] just two months. But the question
[00:03:51] question now is how much of an impact
[00:03:53] impact will this have on the race
[00:03:55] race if people who were supporting supporting her in the primary potentially
[00:03:59] potentially change their votes? We We know that the balance of power
[00:04:02] power in the US Senate potentially potentially hangs in the balance
[00:04:04] balance here. Absolutely. It's one one to watch and certainly given
[00:04:08] given some drama in these final hours
[00:04:10] hours as well. Bradley but what about about the situation in Alaska? Explain
[00:04:14] Explain to us what's happening there.
[00:04:19] there. Alaska is interesting. It It is another toss up state here
[00:04:22] here that the Democrats are hoping
[00:04:24] hoping to win the Department of Justice Justice here in Washington. Lucy
[00:04:28] Lucy is promising to appeal after
[00:04:30] after a judge dismissed a lawsuit lawsuit that they filed seeking to
[00:04:34] to potentially delay the certification certification of the results of the
[00:04:37] the Alaska Senate race. The Alaska
[00:04:39] Alaska Senate race. If the Republican Republican candidate in that race,
[00:04:43] race, Dan Sullivan, loses. What's What's interesting here is the controversy
[00:04:46] controversy in this race centres centres on an independent candidate
[00:04:49] candidate who is also on the ballot,
[00:04:50] ballot, also named Dan Sullivan,
[00:04:53] Sullivan, the New York Times had had reported that the Democratic
[00:04:56] Democratic candidate in this race, race, Mary Peltola, her campaign
[00:05:00] campaign had recruited this independent independent to potentially confuse
[00:05:03] confuse voters when they looked at at the ballot. That is a claim that
[00:05:06] that Peltola has denied Lucy. But But there are a lot of eyes on this
[00:05:10] this race to see which way it goes.
[00:05:12] goes. And big picture, Bradley, how
[00:05:14] how much is this election being seen seen as a bit of a referendum on
[00:05:18] on President Trump, given where his
[00:05:19] his approval ratings are at at the
[00:05:23] the moment as well? Well, Lucy, President President Trump has turned it into
[00:05:27] into a referendum. He has told voters voters as he's been campaigning around
[00:05:31] around the country to think that that his name is on the ballot here.
[00:05:34] here. But that comes, as you say,
[00:05:36] say, as his approval ratings have have sunk to the lowest levels at
[00:05:40] at any point in either of his presidencies,
[00:05:42] presidencies, according to some measures. measures. And so he's been campaigning
[00:05:46] campaigning in Republican stronghold stronghold states like Texas that
[00:05:49] that he won comfortably, where the the Democratic candidate could be
[00:05:52] be a lock for Senate. So, you know,
[00:05:55] know, the big question is whether whether voters that are showing up
[00:05:58] up for these midterms will punish punish Republican candidates because
[00:06:01] because of their dissatisfaction dissatisfaction with President Trump. Trump. Great to see you as always,
[00:06:04] always, Bradley. Thank you so much. much. Bradley, referring to some
[00:06:07] some of those key states there. Well,
[00:06:09] Well, let's take you right to those
[00:06:11] those places that are so crucial crucial in this election because because our correspondents are on
[00:06:15] on the ground for you, looking at at different key issues that could
[00:06:18] could impact the outcome of the election. election. Let's begin with Clive
[00:06:21] Clive Myrie in North Carolina. It's
[00:06:24] It's quite astonishing that a place place like North Carolina could send
[00:06:27] send a Democrat senator back to Washington Washington for the first time in
[00:06:31] in almost 20 years. The Republicans Republicans have ruled the roost
[00:06:35] roost here, but they're in trouble trouble in these elections. Many
[00:06:38] Many we've spoken to say the economy economy is their big concern, and
[00:06:41] and the cost of living is simply simply too high. We found a two mile
[00:06:45] mile long queue of people trying
[00:06:47] trying to get help from a food bank. bank. Farmers here say they're angry
[00:06:51] angry about tariffs and trade policy,
[00:06:53] policy, though some maintain they'll they'll stick with the Republicans.
[00:06:56] Republicans. The Democrats are confident
[00:06:58] confident they can win and if they they do, that could spell big trouble
[00:07:02] trouble in Washington for Donald Donald Trump. This state is shaping
[00:07:06] shaping up to be one of the most
[00:07:08] most consequential contests in these these elections. I'm in Texas, where
[00:07:12] where the battle for a single Senate Senate seat could end up deciding
[00:07:15] deciding who controls Congress. More
[00:07:18] More than half $1 billion has been been spent on advertising alone,
[00:07:21] alone, making it the most expensive
[00:07:23] expensive non-presidential race in
[00:07:25] in American history. Democrat James James Talarico and Republican Ken
[00:07:29] Ken Paxton are in a race that's too
[00:07:32] too close to call. Democrats haven't
[00:07:34] haven't won here statewide since
[00:07:37] since 1994. If they manage it this
[00:07:39] this time around, it'll be the big
[00:07:41] big story of the night. Just look
[00:07:44] look how long this line is for early.
[00:07:46] early. Voting here in the state of of Ohio. Some of the guys here told
[00:07:50] told me they've been waiting 2.5 2.5 hours already to cast their ballot
[00:07:53] ballot in the building over there there ahead of Tuesday's midterm
[00:07:55] midterm election. And we're hearing
[00:07:58] hearing that the rates of early in-person
[00:08:00] in-person voting are way up on what
[00:08:02] what they were four years ago here. here. Now the big issue as soon as
[00:08:06] as we got here, someone said to me me the cost of gas price of petrol
[00:08:10] petrol as it is nationwide, of course,
[00:08:12] course, but this state has been marked
[00:08:14] marked by an incredibly acrimonious acrimonious race. The Republicans
[00:08:18] Republicans hold this state both both in the Senate and for the governor's governor's mansion. There's been
[00:08:22] been a big row as far as that's concerned
[00:08:25] concerned over the attack ads in in that particular race. It all shows
[00:08:28] shows you just how bitterly fought fought the state of Ohio is going
[00:08:31] going to be. A shock here in the the high profile Michigan Senate
[00:08:34] Senate race is rocking the Democratic Democratic Party. Congresswoman Haley
[00:08:37] Haley Stevens has very publicly endorsed endorsed the Republican Mike Rogers
[00:08:41] Rogers over her own party's nominee, nominee, Abdul El-Sayed, who she
[00:08:45] she lost to in the primary. In recent recent days. She has gone after him
[00:08:48] him again for his stance on Israel. Israel. In reaction, El-Sayed, who
[00:08:51] who hopes to become Michigan's first first Muslim senator, said he wasn't
[00:08:55] wasn't thinking of Haley Stevens. Stevens. But the concerns of voters
[00:08:58] voters in these final hours, this this last minute stunning break with
[00:09:01] with her party has been swiftly condemned condemned by Democrats here, who
[00:09:05] who almost certainly need to hold hold the state to have a fighting
[00:09:07] fighting chance of retaking the Senate. Senate. Many of her own staffers
[00:09:11] staffers have resigned, including including her chief of staff, who
[00:09:13] who said the election was too important
[00:09:15] important to sow. Division and Democratic Democratic leader Chuck Schumer said
[00:09:19] said the party was united against against Mike Rogers, who he called
[00:09:22] called a tool of Donald Trump. But
[00:09:25] But this remarkable public feud points points to the deep divisions among
[00:09:29] among Democrats. Let's take you straight straight to Washington, and we can
[00:09:31] can speak to Melik Abdul, who is is a Republican strategist. Let's
[00:09:34] Let's first talk about the melodrama
[00:09:37] melodrama in Michigan. It is really really the only topic of conversation
[00:09:41] conversation today because it has
[00:09:42] has been so stunning to so many people.
[00:09:45] people. Malik, what are your thoughts thoughts about what Haley Stevens
[00:09:48] Stevens has done in endorsing Rogers? Rogers? Do you think it's going to
[00:09:51] to change voters' minds? Or we'll we'll just look back at this and
[00:09:54] and see it was just a piece of political political melodrama. You know, it's
[00:09:58] it's very hard to say. I would say
[00:09:59] say if this were Texas or some other
[00:10:02] other state, I would have some really really serious questions about it.
[00:10:05] it. But there have been some serious serious concerns in Michigan, not
[00:10:09] not just in the 20 this cycle, but
[00:10:11] but also in the 2024 cycle. The issue issue of Palestine and our relationship
[00:10:15] relationship with Israel, it has has become a big issue in many of
[00:10:18] of these elections, but especially especially in places like Michigan
[00:10:21] Michigan with a very large Arab American
[00:10:23] American population. And so there's there's a lot of questions about about whether or not Al Saeed will
[00:10:27] will be able to get a lot of that that Jewish coalition, the black
[00:10:31] black coalition in places like Michigan. Michigan. And it's very unique to
[00:10:35] to Michigan, as I said, as opposed opposed to other places around the
[00:10:38] the country. But it is a real huge
[00:10:41] huge problem for Democrats because because this was not a dis. And to
[00:10:44] to be clear, she's not leaving the
[00:10:46] the Democratic Party. She's refusing
[00:10:49] refusing to endorse back at this this point, the Democratic nominee.
[00:10:52] nominee. Yeah, but. We've heard that
[00:10:54] that all received another 1.5 million
[00:10:57] million potentially in donations donations since this happened. Can
[00:10:59] Can we read much into that? It's
[00:11:03] It's well, he's the Democratic candidate, candidate, so it's not surprising.
[00:11:06] surprising. There are a lot of people people who. And you heard from Chuck
[00:11:08] Chuck Schumer himself. Democrats Democrats are united behind the candidates
[00:11:12] candidates here because they want want them to win. Everybody wants wants to win. And so even though
[00:11:16] though that money. It will definitely definitely be helpful in these last
[00:11:19] last couple of days, it's not something something that's going to decide
[00:11:22] decide the election on Tuesday. OK. OK. And you're a strategist. President
[00:11:25] President Trump asking voters to to say pretend that I'm on the ticket.
[00:11:29] ticket. Do you really think, given given how low his approval ratings
[00:11:33] ratings are at the moment, that that that was strategically wise? Yeah.
[00:11:36] Yeah. Well, to be honest, Donald Donald Trump really doesn't have have a choice when you think about
[00:11:40] about the Republican Party or at at least the voices that are out
[00:11:43] out there speaking during this cycle, cycle, there aren't very many. And
[00:11:47] And so Donald Trump didn't have a a lot of options when it came to
[00:11:50] to what he wants to do as far as as delivering his message. Donald
[00:11:54] Donald Trump is the at this point,
[00:11:56] point, the most popular Republican Republican within the Republican
[00:11:59] Republican caucus. So he's going going out everywhere around the country
[00:12:03] country and he's spending a lot of of time in places that people have
[00:12:07] have traditionally criticised because because they're red states. But we
[00:12:10] we have a lot you know, we don't don't have the wind at our back at
[00:12:13] at this all of the polls at this this point, most of them are within
[00:12:16] within the margin of error and those those that are not Republicans are
[00:12:19] are not leading. So it seems as if,
[00:12:21] if, at least at this point, that
[00:12:24] that we're heading into what we would
[00:12:26] would call a blue wave. If that doesn't
[00:12:28] doesn't manifest, I want to be back back then to have another conversation conversation about that. OK. I want
[00:12:32] want to ask you about the voters voters because there are so many
[00:12:35] many conversations. What about what
[00:12:37] what people don't like at the moment moment and the negativity, but what
[00:12:41] what are the messages that you're you're seeing? Republicans talk about
[00:12:44] about that actually are connecting connecting with voters? What are
[00:12:47] are some of the messaging that's that's working well? And this is
[00:12:51] is one of the things here. So we
[00:12:53] we have, of course, these state elections
[00:12:55] elections and you're seeing candidates candidates in specific states talk
[00:12:59] talk about the issues that are relevant relevant to that specific state.
[00:13:02] state. It's very difficult to do. do. And this is where the balancing
[00:13:06] balancing act is because Donald Trump, Trump, for all intents and purposes,
[00:13:08] purposes, sucks all of the oxygen oxygen out of the room. So if Donald
[00:13:11] Donald Trump is making a message message and you have someone like
[00:13:14] like a Byron Donalds running for
[00:13:16] for governor down in Florida talking talking about the work that he's
[00:13:19] he's doing around the insurance company, company, the prices that that Floridians
[00:13:23] Floridians pay around, that the data data centres, all of those things
[00:13:26] things get wiped away because Donald Donald Trump may have said something.
[00:13:30] something. So it's a balancing act act that Republicans that you're
[00:13:32] you're really seeing from Maine all all the way to California, you're
[00:13:36] you're seeing Republicans talk about
[00:13:39] about local issues because the national national issues are superimposed
[00:13:42] superimposed on this election. And And Donald Trump, I think it was was in your segment, it was asked
[00:13:46] asked whether or not this is a referendum referendum or whether or not this
[00:13:49] this will be a referendum on Donald Donald Trump. It absolutely will
[00:13:53] will be a referendum on the party party and power. And Republicans
[00:13:56] Republicans are now in power. And And that includes Donald Trump. Great Great to talk to you, Melik Abdul.
[00:14:00] Abdul. Thank you so much for joining joining us quickly. Time to show
[00:14:04] show you the BBC live page, which which we've got up and running. We're We're covering all of the twists
[00:14:07] twists and turns when it comes to to these US midterms around the world
[00:14:11] world and across the UK.
[00:15:12] interviews, results and goals as as we follow every twist of the Premier
[00:15:15] Premier League season here on BBC
[00:15:19] BBC News. Both Ukraine and Russia
[00:15:24] Russia say their emergency alert alert apps have been hit by cyber
[00:15:28] cyber attacks. Late on Sunday, Ukraine Ukraine warning that its air alert
[00:15:31] alert app appeared to have been compromised compromised after citizens received
[00:15:35] received false notifications about about a radiological threat and other
[00:15:39] other attacks. Ukraine's Centre for
[00:15:42] for Strategic Communications blamed blamed Russia for the hack and a
[00:15:44] a post on its X account. It showed showed some of the alerts asking
[00:15:48] asking residents to disregard any any strange messages they might see
[00:15:52] see in the app, as well as warnings warnings of a radiological threat.
[00:15:54] threat. The false notifications warned warned of a chemical attack and even
[00:15:58] even possible street fighting in
[00:15:59] in Kyiv. They know this morning Russia's Russia's Ministry of Emergency Situations
[00:16:03] Situations said its mobile app had had been subjected to what it called
[00:16:07] called a massive cyber attack. It It said this had resulted in the
[00:16:11] the distribution of fake information information to the public. Let's
[00:16:13] Let's take you straight to our Ukraine Ukraine correspondent, Dan Johnson, Johnson, who joins us from Kyiv.
[00:16:17] Kyiv. And with me here in the studio studio is our cyber correspondent,
[00:16:20] correspondent, Joe Tidy. But first first to you, Dan, what was that
[00:16:23] that like for people to receive those
[00:16:25] those messages in the night? Yeah,
[00:16:29] Yeah, it was certainly unnerving unnerving when the first of these
[00:16:32] these fake warnings came through through just before 11pm last night
[00:16:35] night for those who were still awake awake anyway or who were woken by
[00:16:39] by these notifications on their phone, phone, it's an app that many people people use, and there are different
[00:16:43] different variants of it all based based on the same data. So whichever
[00:16:45] whichever app people have, if they they do indeed have it, they will
[00:16:48] will have got these warnings starting
[00:16:51] starting with incoming ballistic ballistic missiles and drones, the the sort of warnings that they get
[00:16:55] get repeatedly here. But then they they were followed by warnings of
[00:16:58] of a nuclear threat, chemical attack,
[00:17:02] attack, combat in the streets and and artillery shelling, which are
[00:17:06] are all unusual warnings to have have received. And I think although although that did unnerve people
[00:17:09] people at first, the fact that so
[00:17:12] so many of those warnings are of of such extreme danger all came through
[00:17:16] through in the space of just 5 or or 10 minutes, I think indicated
[00:17:19] indicated to lots of people that that this was down to some sort of
[00:17:23] of glitch or technical problem in in the app, even if they hadn't realised
[00:17:26] realised it was the result of hacking. hacking. So I think although this
[00:17:28] this did cause some concern, it did did not lead to widespread panic
[00:17:32] panic because it was quite quickly quickly apparent to people that something something wasn't quite right with
[00:17:36] with this. I've been speaking to to Ukrainians this morning who said,
[00:17:38] said, yeah, you see the word nuclear. nuclear. You're very fearful. But
[00:17:41] But then you see something like combat combat in the streets and it doesn't
[00:17:44] doesn't quite add up, especially especially not in combination with with it all coming together. The
[00:17:48] The Air Force also issued a statement statement very quickly within 15
[00:17:52] 15 minutes of this starting, saying saying that the app had been compromised
[00:17:55] compromised and that there was indeed indeed no radiation threat and that
[00:17:57] that people did not need to panic. panic. So officials were pretty quick
[00:18:01] quick to try to reassure people. people. But they have now got the
[00:18:04] the challenge of ensuring that that that app is secure so that people
[00:18:07] people can rely on future warnings warnings that come there is an air
[00:18:10] air raid alert in place at the moment. moment. We've just heard the sirens
[00:18:13] sirens sound and there are explosions explosions on the edge of the city.
[00:18:16] city. So that demonstrates how important important this system is because
[00:18:19] because not everybody can hear the the sirens in the streets. So they
[00:18:22] they have a job on to maintain faith faith in this system, even at the
[00:18:26] the best of times, because the number number of attacks is so relentless
[00:18:29] relentless and the amount of times times those sirens sound each day,
[00:18:33] day, lots of people have grown weary weary of it and frankly have given
[00:18:36] given up taking any action in response response to it. So officials already already faced a challenge there.
[00:18:40] there. Now they've got to rebuild rebuild faith and confidence so that
[00:18:44] that the next time those alerts go go off on people's phones, they do do actually respond. Dan. Thanks
[00:18:47] Thanks for that. Joel. What actually actually happened here? And are we
[00:18:50] we seeing a tit-for-tat scenario scenario as well? It feels that way.
[00:18:54] way. It has all the hallmarks of of a hacktivist attack. So activist
[00:18:57] activist hackers we've seen a lot lot of that in the Ukraine conflict
[00:19:01] conflict with amateur groups, either either Ukrainian or pro-Ukrainian
[00:19:05] pro-Ukrainian and pro-Russian as as well on both sides using low skilled
[00:19:09] skilled kind of hacks to carry out out loud and attention grabbing cyber
[00:19:12] cyber attacks against each other. other. That's what it looked like like at first, because it's not the
[00:19:16] the first time that a that a warning warning system has been hacked by by hacktivists, for example. But
[00:19:20] But then you had this immediate retaliation retaliation with only a few hours.
[00:19:24] hours. And I think that is a bit bit strange in the kind of sort of
[00:19:27] of shows the sort of murky world world that we live in with cyber. cyber. Because if you'd have been
[00:19:31] been if you'd have had the access access to do that, you would have have done it before. If you were
[00:19:34] were a kind of amateur hacktivist hacktivist group. So it kind of implies implies some kind of co-ordination
[00:19:38] co-ordination here whereby obviously obviously the Russian, the pro-Russian
[00:19:42] pro-Russian activists or hackers, hackers, whoever they were carried carried out the attack. And then
[00:19:45] then for some reason they wanted wanted to go straight away as a retaliation
[00:19:48] retaliation to say to show we can
[00:19:50] can do it as well. And I'm just about
[00:19:54] about to talk to someone who's in
[00:19:56] in Kherson. Dan, but to get your
[00:19:59] your perspective from Kyiv, the official official reaction to what we've seen
[00:20:02] seen in the past few hours in Kherson, Kherson, where the ceasefire has
[00:20:06] has ended. Yeah, there's a huge amount
[00:20:10] amount of concern about the fact fact that that cease fire is now
[00:20:13] now over and that shelling and the the bombardment of Kherson city and
[00:20:17] and that entire region has now resumed
[00:20:20] resumed for the past almost a week, week, they've had that temporary
[00:20:23] temporary truce in place, which in in the Ukrainian part Ukrainian controlled
[00:20:27] controlled part of Kherson, has allowed allowed to some degree life as normal
[00:20:30] normal to return just for a brief brief period. People have been going
[00:20:33] going back to homes that they abandoned abandoned months ago, but now they
[00:20:37] they were warned that that cease cease fire would end and that that that shelling would restart. There
[00:20:40] There were also warned that the likelihood likelihood was during that temporary
[00:20:43] temporary truce Russia would have have reinforced its units there and
[00:20:46] and that the resumption of hostilities hostilities could be even worse than than anything they'd seen before.
[00:20:50] before. And the early reports were were getting are that that is indeed
[00:20:53] indeed what is happening in that that region. The Kremlin has also
[00:20:55] also said that there's to be no repeat repeat of the sort of humanitarian
[00:20:59] humanitarian evacuation that we saw saw last week from that town. Oleshky
[00:21:02] Oleshky so very much in that corner corner of Ukraine. The war has resumed.
[00:21:06] resumed. OK, Dan, good to have you you with us, as always. Thanks so
[00:21:08] so much. And Joe, thank you. Well, Well, let's take you straight to
[00:21:11] to the heart of that story. We can
[00:21:14] can join Cyrille Amoursky, who is
[00:21:16] is a Ukraine reporter for BFM TV.
[00:21:20] TV. You have been in Kherson. I'm I'm not sure where you are at the
[00:21:24] the moment, but what has been your your experience over the past few
[00:21:28] few days? Well, I'm in the city itself itself and as your correspondent
[00:21:31] correspondent mentioned, for the the past six days there was a ceasefire ceasefire in the whole region of
[00:21:34] of Kherson and it was pretty impressive impressive because I've been in her
[00:21:38] her song in the past and honestly, honestly, it was quite different.
[00:21:41] different. So in the past and even even today, of course, you could
[00:21:43] could hear drones, you could hear hear artillery shelling yesterday
[00:21:47] yesterday and for the past other other days it was complete silence.
[00:21:50] silence. Yes, we did hear some explosions. explosions. Unfortunately, some people people were injured or killed because
[00:21:54] because of some mines, but there there were no attacks either from
[00:21:57] from the Ukrainian side or from the the Russian side. So that was something
[00:22:00] something completely new. And everyone everyone was quite surprised because
[00:22:03] because it's been years since people people didn't see such a common situation
[00:22:06] situation in the city today. Unfortunately, Unfortunately, the attacks resumed
[00:22:09] resumed and literally about 15, 20 20 minutes before I started talking
[00:22:12] talking to you, I was in an area area that was pretty crowded with with drones. We could hear them fly
[00:22:16] fly around, so we had to run to a a shelter. And now I'm with you in
[00:22:19] in a safer area still in the city city of Kherson. I'm pleased that
[00:22:22] that you're in a safe area. That's That's good to know. What has it
[00:22:26] it been like for people there living
[00:22:30] living under constant bombardment? You know, in a certain
[00:22:33] certain sense people are in total total war. Total total disbelief.
[00:22:36] disbelief. For them it was something something that they are not used
[00:22:39] used to any more. They were used used to explosions. They were used
[00:22:42] used to hearing drones all of these
[00:22:43] these days. And some areas were,
[00:22:46] were, I would say, according to her her sound standards, pretty crowded crowded yesterday if you would go
[00:22:50] go to the supermarket, for example, example, for the first time since
[00:22:53] since months or maybe even years,
[00:22:55] years, you had actual queues at the the desks. That's something that
[00:22:58] that didn't happen for quite a while. while. We did something similar today.
[00:23:02] today. The parking was pretty much much empty. Almost no one was at
[00:23:05] at the store and there were no queues queues any more. The same goes for
[00:23:09] for other areas. Basically, whenever whenever you talk to locals they
[00:23:12] they say, yeah, I managed to go to to a district that I didn't go to
[00:23:15] to for the past few years or months months because it was too dangerous. dangerous. For example, in Kherson
[00:23:18] Kherson you have an area that is is called the yellow area and the
[00:23:21] the red area, the yellow area you you can I mean, it's all obviously
[00:23:25] obviously dangerous, but you can can still kind of try to live. When When we talk about the red zone though,
[00:23:29] though, you have drones everywhere. everywhere. So I talked to some people people that really tried to enjoy
[00:23:33] enjoy the past few days by going going to the areas that they left
[00:23:37] left before to see if their house house is still here, if it was impacted
[00:23:40] impacted by drones because they were were unable to do it for the past past few years already. Is it possible
[00:23:44] possible to know how many people people have left and how many people
[00:23:47] people actually stayed behind? Well,
[00:23:50] Well, we don't have a precise number.
[00:23:52] number. And the Ukrainian the Ukrainian Ukrainian government doesn't communicate communicate an official number. I
[00:23:56] I was at the border between Ukraine Ukraine and Belarus, and one of the the things that we heard is that
[00:24:00] that basically no official number number will be communicated for,
[00:24:03] for, I guess, security purposes. purposes. But also in my from my
[00:24:07] my perspective, it's also a demand demand from the Russian side because
[00:24:09] because most of the people decided decided to leave to free Ukraine
[00:24:13] Ukraine and not towards Russia. So So in terms of the Russian political
[00:24:15] political message, obviously something something is wrong from their perspective.
[00:24:19] perspective. So in terms of the Russian Russian propaganda, they cannot communicate communicate on these numbers. But
[00:24:23] But according to various sources sources we are talking about 800
[00:24:26] 800 people. I think that's the number number that was also that was pretty
[00:24:30] pretty much announced by Melania Melania Trump. So about 800 people
[00:24:34] people left in total, most of them them to free Ukraine. Even US reporters
[00:24:38] reporters who were on the ground ground do confirm that at least two
[00:24:40] two thirds of the people went to
[00:24:43] to Ukraine and the rest went to Russia, Russia, either to be inside of Russia
[00:24:47] Russia or some people decided to to go to Russia not to stay there,
[00:24:50] there, but then to join Europe because because a lot of men did not maybe
[00:24:53] maybe want to come back to Ukraine Ukraine with the fear of conscription. conscription. And this was a part
[00:24:57] part of the Russian propaganda. You You shouldn't leave Oleshky because
[00:25:00] because if you do as a man, you will will be conscripted. But most people
[00:25:04] people came back to Ukraine. And And honestly, in terms of emotions, emotions, it was something really
[00:25:07] really impressive. People were extremely extremely happy to be free again,
[00:25:10] again, to freely speak in Ukrainian Ukrainian and see their members of
[00:25:13] of their family that they didn't didn't see for almost five years.
[00:25:16] years. And Cyril, is there a wider
[00:25:17] wider hope that what we've just seen
[00:25:20] seen there could become some kind kind of blueprint and happen elsewhere?
[00:25:24] elsewhere? You asked also about the
[00:25:26] the numbers. So we said before the the evacuation that about 1200 to
[00:25:30] to 2000 people were there today. today. We don't know, but we can can estimate a few hundred. Of course,
[00:25:33] course, if you talk to Ukrainians, Ukrainians, they do hope that more
[00:25:36] more people that there will be more more initiative initiatives as such
[00:25:39] such in other areas of Ukraine. But But for the moment, as your correspondent
[00:25:43] correspondent mentioned, Russia does does not want to implement anything
[00:25:46] anything like that in any other area. area. I talked to some people and
[00:25:49] and her son, they even thought that that maybe the ceasefire will be
[00:25:53] be prolonged and they really hope hope that maybe this is like the
[00:25:56] the beginning of the end of the war. war. Unfortunately, today they sobered
[00:25:59] sobered up because right at the moment moment when the ceasefire stopped,
[00:26:02] stopped, it was at 10pm 59, exactly exactly at this moment yesterday
[00:26:05] yesterday there was the shelling shelling of the city. So yes, people people really hope for that. But But for the
[00:29:44] interviews, results and goals as as we follow every twist of the Premier
[00:29:48] Premier League season here on BBC
[00:29:51] BBC News. Here at BBC Verify, we
[00:29:58] we use forensic investigative techniques techniques and tools to fact check
[00:30:01] check stories, verify information information and counter disinformation
[00:30:04] disinformation using data analysis analysis and the latest technology, technology, our journalists examine
[00:30:08] examine the evidence and get to the the facts. Watch our BBC Verify reports
[00:30:10] reports on the BBC News channel or
[00:30:12] or go online to find out more. MUSIC
[00:30:22] MUSIC These These are the latest headlines from from BBC News. Ukraine and Russia's
[00:30:26] Russia's emergency alert apps are are both hit by apparent cyber attacks,
[00:30:30] attacks, with users alerted of nuclear nuclear and other attacks just one
[00:30:33] one day to the midterm election. election. With last minute twists
[00:30:36] twists in the Senate race as a sitting sitting Democratic congresswoman
[00:30:39] congresswoman announces her support support for the Republican candidate
[00:30:42] candidate in Michigan, a business business jet has crashed in a neighbourhood
[00:30:46] neighbourhood in Florida, killing killing all nine people on board.
[00:30:48] board. It departed from Austin, Texas, Texas, and was headed to the Bahamas.
[00:30:52] Bahamas. The King will address Commonwealth Commonwealth leaders about the lasting
[00:30:56] lasting pain of the transatlantic transatlantic slave trade during during the final leg of his Caribbean