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[00:00:13] Hello, I'm Geeta Guru-Murthy.
[00:00:14] This is the context on BBC News.
[00:00:17] News. Tonight, on the last day of of campaigning, we're looking at
[00:00:21] at the US midterms. Millions prepare
[00:00:23] prepare to vote on the eve of Americas
[00:00:25] Americas crucial midterm elections. elections. Can Donald Trump and the
[00:00:29] the Republicans keep control of the the US Congress? King Charles is
[00:00:32] is set to meet with Prime Minister Minister Andy Burnham in Antigua
[00:00:36] Antigua for the Commonwealth Heads Heads of Government meeting during
[00:00:38] during the final leg of his Caribbean
[00:00:40] Caribbean tour. Supermarkets in seven
[00:00:42] seven European countries report problems problems with their refrigeration
[00:00:46] refrigeration systems after a suspected suspected cyber attack. The Home
[00:00:50] Home Secretary scrapped plans for for migrant care workers already
[00:00:52] already in the UK, to wait 15 years
[00:00:54] years for permanent settlement. And
[00:00:58] And nine orangutans saved from forest
[00:01:00] forest fires in Indonesia have returned
[00:01:02] returned to the wild. Hello. Welcome
[00:01:13] Welcome to the programme. In just just a few hours' time, millions
[00:01:16] millions of voters will head to the
[00:01:19] the polls in the 2026 midterm elections elections in the United States. In
[00:01:22] In fact, more than 50 million people
[00:01:24] people have already voted, but more
[00:01:27] more than 100 million will do so so in person tomorrow. All the seats
[00:01:30] seats in the House of Representatives Representatives were proposed. Laws
[00:01:33] Laws are debated, are up for grabs.
[00:01:35] grabs. The Republicans hold a majority
[00:01:38] majority of 219, including two Republican Republican leaning independents.
[00:01:41] independents. The Democrats have
[00:01:43] have 214. Two seats are vacant. To
[00:01:45] To win a majority, you need 218. 218. Next door in the Senate, where
[00:01:49] where laws are passed, around a third third of the 100 seats are being
[00:01:52] being contested. Currently, Republicans Republicans have 53 to the Democrats
[00:01:56] Democrats 47, including two independents independents who vote with them.
[00:01:59] them. 51 seats secures a majority.
[00:02:01] majority. So the Democrats are taking taking one or both. Chambers could
[00:02:05] could spell trouble for Donald Trump
[00:02:07] Trump in his final two years in office.
[00:02:10] office. Well, in the last hour or or so, President Trump has been speaking
[00:02:13] speaking from the Lincoln Memorial Memorial Reflecting Pool in Washington,
[00:02:16] Washington, DC. As you know, this this is the last day before the midterm
[00:02:20] midterm elections. The most important important midterm, I believe, in
[00:02:24] in our lifetime. The Democrat Party
[00:02:26] Party has nominated the most extreme
[00:02:28] extreme and dangerous slate of candidates candidates in American history. These
[00:02:32] These are the most dangerous candidates
[00:02:34] candidates ever put up. Well, in in the next ten minutes or so, we
[00:02:38] we are hoping to talk shortly to to Kelly Meyer, White House reporter
[00:02:41] reporter at News Nation, who's been been travelling with the President
[00:02:45] President and attended his speech speech today in Washington, DC we
[00:02:49] we will bring her in as soon as we
[00:02:50] we get her and to one state attracting attracting quite a bit of attention
[00:02:54] attention at the moment. Michigan, Michigan, where a row has erupted
[00:02:57] erupted in the Democratic Party after after Congresswoman Haley Stevens,
[00:03:00] Stevens, who missed out on the party's
[00:03:02] party's Senate nomination to Abdul
[00:03:04] Abdul El-Sayed, endorsed Republican Republican candidate and political
[00:03:08] political rival Mike Rogers. Well, Well, the Michigan contest is one
[00:03:11] one of the most closely watched and and bitter of the midterms. El-Sayed,
[00:03:14] El-Sayed, who would be the first first Muslim person ever elected elected to the US Senate, has faced
[00:03:18] faced a variety of attacks from Mike Mike Rogers and President Trump,
[00:03:21] Trump, asides criticism of Israel Israel has been a source of tension
[00:03:24] tension within the Democratic Party. Party. While. Let us discuss all
[00:03:28] all this and more, we're joined by by Democratic strategist Mary Anne Anne Marsh and political analyst
[00:03:32] analyst and former member of President President Trump's legal team, Mark
[00:03:35] Mark cook. Thank you both very much much indeed for being with us. And
[00:03:39] And Mark, let me start with you.
[00:03:41] you. Just looking overall at this
[00:03:44] this incredibly crucial race, which which matters not just for the US,
[00:03:46] US, but of course it is being watched
[00:03:49] watched right around the world. What
[00:03:51] What is your sense? Because polling polling obviously has been favourable
[00:03:55] favourable to some degree for the the Democrats, but we know polling
[00:03:57] polling is not always reliable. Well, Well, thank you for saying that polling
[00:04:00] polling has not been reliable in in the last three presidential elections
[00:04:04] elections or usually when pollsters pollsters are talking to Republicans,
[00:04:07] Republicans, we're not picking up up the phone. We're not Answering. Answering. So they have historically
[00:04:11] historically gotten it wrong. What What I'm seeing across the country
[00:04:14] country is momentum and where President President Trump has constantly delivered.
[00:04:17] delivered. So I share his optimism optimism as he has been crisscrossing
[00:04:20] crisscrossing the country like no no other president through a midterm.
[00:04:23] midterm. He not only had a rally rally which had a very important important message about securing
[00:04:27] securing the border and making sure sure that we were safe and secure,
[00:04:30] secure, but also the fraud. Nobody's Nobody's talking about this enough.
[00:04:33] enough. I think Democrats want to to just stop this, but it's so important.
[00:04:36] important. I mean, we're talking
[00:04:41] talking 233 billion to $523 billion billion of taxpayer money that President
[00:04:44] President Trump is going to bring bring back so that we're paying less.
[00:04:47] less. So I think this is all to the the affordability agenda. And unfortunately,
[00:04:51] unfortunately, Democrats never knew knew who they were this last cycle. cycle. They don't know why they lost.
[00:04:55] lost. And they're continuing to do do that same mistake. The extremism extremism you're seeing you brought
[00:04:59] brought up Michigan. I mean, think think about that Lcd's problem is
[00:05:02] is that he has continued to fund fund and be part of and to help the
[00:05:06] the muslim brotherhood that is a a terrorist organisation. So we're
[00:05:09] we're constantly seeing candidates candidates that don't really have
[00:05:12] have a lot to do and a lot to say
[00:05:14] say in terms. Well, he's he has never never actually directly talked to
[00:05:18] to the public to say that he doesn't doesn't support them. He actually
[00:05:21] actually signed a letter for the
[00:05:24] the Egyptian muslim brotherhood president president years ago. His family has
[00:05:27] has those. So I think we have to to start thinking about why people
[00:05:30] people are leaving the Democrat Party. Party. They don't have a message.
[00:05:33] message. Socialism isn't a message. message. You're seeing that in the the UK yourself. Marianne Marsh,
[00:05:37] Marsh, let me ask you to respond respond to that, both on the Michigan
[00:05:40] Michigan point, which has broke into into the news cycle in the last 24
[00:05:44] 24 hours and sort of wider, but just just answer the Michigan point if
[00:05:47] if you would. Sure. It's not going going to matter in the election period.
[00:05:50] period. Full stop. El-Sayed will will win the Michigan Senate seat,
[00:05:53] seat, Democrats will win the Senate Senate and the House both easily
[00:05:57] easily and when you look at what's what's going on in this country, country, it's because people are
[00:06:00] are focused on the cost of living. living. But they know the reason.
[00:06:03] reason. They can't afford anything anything right now is because of
[00:06:06] of the corruption of the Trump administration. administration. Donald Trump went
[00:06:09] went out and got tariffs without without congressional approval. Where Where is that money? Where's all
[00:06:12] all the billions of dollars? He brags brags about? Is it at the Treasury? Treasury? Is it in someone's bank
[00:06:16] bank account? We don't know. Then Then he declared war on Iran again
[00:06:20] again without congressional approval. approval. And those two things alone alone have created our economy. So
[00:06:24] So voters have been voting in droves. droves. As you said in your earlier
[00:06:28] earlier segment, 51 million people people 54 million people have already already voted and another 100 million
[00:06:31] million will tomorrow. And when you you do look at the polls, the trend
[00:06:34] trend is your friend. And for months, months, weeks and days and hours.
[00:06:37] hours. Now those polls have moved moved towards the Democrats. Donald
[00:06:40] Donald Trump's personal favorability favorability numbers are in the tank.
[00:06:43] tank. He's underwater. Unfavorability Unfavorability underwater. And job
[00:06:46] job performance underwater on the the economy, underwater in immigration. immigration. So Democrats will win
[00:06:50] win the House and the Senate. It It may take us a few days to get
[00:06:53] get there, but that's the reality. reality. Democrats will pick up 4
[00:06:56] 4 to 7 seats in the Senate, so it'll it'll be either 51 to 54 seats there
[00:06:59] there in the House. I expect the
[00:07:01] the House to pick up anywhere from
[00:07:04] from 12 to 26 seats, getting to 231
[00:07:06] 231 to 241. And that's what the Democrats Democrats will finally put a check
[00:07:10] check on Donald Trump, stop him from from any further destruction of our
[00:07:13] our democracy and help the people people of this country get back on
[00:07:15] on their feet and be able to support
[00:07:18] support themselves. I mean, obviously obviously we're going to have to
[00:07:21] to wait for the actual numbers to to come out once people have actually actually cast their votes. But I
[00:07:25] I just wonder what you're hearing hearing are high, obviously has been
[00:07:28] been a very interesting focal point
[00:07:32] point also because the affordability affordability agenda, people's concerns
[00:07:35] concerns about wars that are still
[00:07:37] still ongoing and driving some of of that affordability problem. Is
[00:07:41] Is that something that you have heard heard concerns about? And do you
[00:07:44] you think this administration has has responded that the President
[00:07:46] President has responded to those those concerns? Well, I think on
[00:07:50] on day one, President Trump addressed addressed affordability, right? He
[00:07:53] He knew what the Biden administration administration had created. It was
[00:07:56] was the largest affordability crisis crisis that Americans have faced.
[00:07:59] faced. So he worked with the congressional
[00:08:03] congressional individuals and individuals individuals in the Senate to pass
[00:08:06] pass the big beautiful bill which
[00:08:07] which created tax reforms immediately immediately for the working class,
[00:08:11] class, for senior citizens, for individuals individuals that are now getting
[00:08:14] getting no tax on tips. So think think about that. That was a working
[00:08:18] working class tax cut. So President
[00:08:20] President Trump heard loud and clear clear what Americans rejected of
[00:08:23] of Democrats as they continue to to destroy our economy. And President
[00:08:27] President Trump has also had historic historic levels of ensuring that
[00:08:30] that we are going to drive oil prices prices down. Look at what we did
[00:08:34] did in Venezuela. We're getting billions billions of barrels of oil because
[00:08:38] because we struck a deal and took took out a leader that was oppressing
[00:08:42] oppressing so many individuals in in the country of Venezuela. So we're
[00:08:45] we're continuing to see an energy energy independence, making sure
[00:08:48] sure that those Biden regulations regulations that didn't allow for
[00:08:50] for drilling for oil and gas, for for exploration, we're expediting
[00:08:53] expediting those. So while gas prices prices can still significantly go
[00:08:57] go lower, remember, Joe Biden had
[00:09:00] had it at $5.86. We're nowhere near near that. But I do believe once
[00:09:03] once this Iran war ends, which by by the way, my co-panelists said
[00:09:06] said this. So let's talk about it. it. Most presidents from Obama to
[00:09:10] to Biden and others have had wars
[00:09:12] wars without congressional approval. approval. This is absolutely legal
[00:09:16] legal and if it wasn't, then we wouldn't wouldn't be having this altercation
[00:09:19] altercation and this war with Iran. Iran. But let me be clear this isn't
[00:09:22] isn't about just two years for President President Trump. This is about a
[00:09:25] a lifelong 47 years of Iran holding
[00:09:28] holding Americans, our individuals individuals and our country hostage. hostage. So we have to end that.
[00:09:32] that. But affordability is the number number one issue, which is why President
[00:09:35] President Trump will win. And I'm I'm completely optimistic on the
[00:09:38] the Senate and many of the House House seats as well. Do you think think he's going to hold it? Mary
[00:09:42] Mary Ann Marsh I mean, if the Democrats
[00:09:45] Democrats do take one or both of
[00:09:47] of the houses, how will that affect affect domestic and foreign policy?
[00:09:51] policy? Briefly, do you think because because the Iran war there's been
[00:09:54] been a lot of speculation about whether whether there could be a ramping
[00:09:57] ramping up there after these votes votes are cast? Yeah. Democrats in
[00:10:00] in the House and Senate will vote vote to stop the war in Iran because
[00:10:04] because the President never, ever ever got their permission to do it.
[00:10:06] it. And they've had votes before before this to show the support of
[00:10:10] of Democrats opposing that war. A A lot of Republicans, when they see
[00:10:13] see their colleagues in Texas and and Kansas and states across this
[00:10:16] this country lose their seats, they they will finally get a spine and
[00:10:19] and start to stand up to Donald Trump, Trump, too. And that's the shift shift you're going to see. It will
[00:10:23] will be the same on the tariffs. tariffs. And I would say to my co-panelists co-panelists as somebody who fills
[00:10:27] fills up their tank pretty regularly, regularly, it's over $5 a gallon
[00:10:30] gallon and plus. So if there's all all this oil coming in, I don't think
[00:10:33] think anyone is seeing the prices prices go down on anything. But that's that's what Democrats are going to
[00:10:37] to do in the House and the Senate. Senate. And Donald Trump will be
[00:10:39] be curtailed and stopped from his
[00:10:42] his destruction of our democracy democracy and this country in the the last two years. We'll have to
[00:10:46] to leave it there. But very good good to speak to you both. I'm sure
[00:10:48] sure we will speak to you again soon. soon. Mary Ann Marsh and Mark cook.
[00:10:52] cook. Thank you. Well, let us bring bring in Kelly Maher now, White House
[00:10:56] House reporter at News Nation who
[00:10:58] who attended President Trump's speech speech today at the Reflecting Pool
[00:11:01] Pool in Washington, DC we saw a short short clip of that a few moments
[00:11:04] moments ago. Thanks for being with
[00:11:06] with us. You've been tracking the
[00:11:09] the President travelling with the the President. What's the mood been
[00:11:13] been like with the press corps around around the President and his team?
[00:11:15] team? Would you say? Well, it's certainly certainly been interesting. You know, know, we're back at the White House
[00:11:19] House right now. The President is is back in the West Wing right now.
[00:11:23] now. He's been doing these tele rallies
[00:11:26] rallies for his endorsed candidates, candidates, and he's not on the campaign
[00:11:29] campaign trail today, which is something something that was being floated
[00:11:32] floated previously. He decided to to then stay in Washington and give
[00:11:36] give this address at the Lincoln Lincoln Memorial. When we arrived
[00:11:38] arrived and saw the set-up, it said
[00:11:40] said restoring our nation's capital. capital. There were pictures that
[00:11:43] that he showed of the construction construction on the reflecting pool
[00:11:46] pool and a sign there talking about about his beautification of Washington,
[00:11:49] Washington, DC., as he calls it. it. So much of his speech actually
[00:11:53] actually focused on what's happening happening here in Washington, DC
[00:11:56] DC specifically when it comes to to the reflecting pool construction, construction, when it comes to as
[00:11:59] as he talked about making Washington,
[00:12:01] Washington, DC safe, as well as other
[00:12:04] other projects he has going on around around the district, and that really
[00:12:07] really isn't speaking to the broader
[00:12:10] broader public beyond Washington, Washington, DC., to the issues that
[00:12:14] that voters are talking about at at the polls. He did talk for about
[00:12:17] about 23 minutes on Washington, DC., DC., specific issues and then switched
[00:12:21] switched into the midterms and briefly briefly spoke about that and some
[00:12:24] some of the things that he has taken taken on in his administration, but
[00:12:26] but didn't talk much about gas prices, prices, the cost of the grocery store,
[00:12:30] store, the cost of living overall. overall. And that is something that that we're seeing voters really concerned
[00:12:34] concerned about as they head to the
[00:12:35] the polls. And he sort of did, I
[00:12:39] I think at one point acknowledged acknowledged that there could be,
[00:12:42] be, you know, a shift and that there
[00:12:44] there would have to be, you know, know, sort of negotiations and deals
[00:12:47] deals to, to, to get legislation legislation through and so on. If
[00:12:50] If there is a shift in the power power base coming up in the next
[00:12:54] next few days, are you hearing anything anything from the people around him
[00:12:58] him in terms of what they expect? expect? Well, it seems as though
[00:13:01] though his inner circle is staying staying positive. They feel as though
[00:13:05] though that the polling is wrong. wrong. As they say, they feel that
[00:13:09] that there will be a shift of Republican Republican voters turning out that
[00:13:12] that could change the tide. That's That's why we saw the President out
[00:13:15] out there on the road the last several several weeks trying to make sure sure that Republican voters turn
[00:13:19] turn up to vote and bring that enthusiasm, enthusiasm, as he put it, as if he
[00:13:23] he is on the ballot to vote as if if he's on the ballot. But then there's there's the question of if Democrats
[00:13:27] Democrats do win, then is he in part part to blame for that because he
[00:13:29] he is saying that he is on the ballot ballot this time around, and it will
[00:13:33] will be interesting to see how this this plays out on Tuesday and then
[00:13:36] then how the administration responds responds the day following about about how they're going to work with
[00:13:40] with potentially a Democratic House House or Democrats in control of
[00:13:43] of both chambers of Congress. And And as I was just saying to our previous
[00:13:47] previous guest, there's been some some speculation about whether there
[00:13:49] there could be an increase in, in, in, you know, military action, stepping
[00:13:53] stepping up a military action in in the Middle East. But also we've we've seen some reports in the last
[00:13:57] last couple of hours about whether, whether, you know, talks are still still ongoing, very difficult to
[00:14:00] to know the truth of all this speculation.
[00:14:03] speculation. But, you know, people people pondering if the President, President, for example, was more
[00:14:06] more curtailed at home, whether his his attention would shift even more
[00:14:10] more to foreign policy. What's your your take on that? What are you hearing
[00:14:13] hearing about that? Yeah, it's an an interesting question. And it's
[00:14:15] it's actually something that was was brought up at that event today.
[00:14:19] today. He didn't take questions from from the press, but one reporter
[00:14:21] reporter did shout, you know, is is he considering strikes on Iran
[00:14:24] Iran after the midterms? And he said said no. But we have heard from reporting
[00:14:28] reporting here that it's something something that he is thinking about.
[00:14:31] about. When I talk with sources at at the Pentagon and defence officials,
[00:14:34] officials, they say they are postured postured to carry out those strikes,
[00:14:37] strikes, but no decision has been been made yet. But there is definitely
[00:14:40] definitely a concern here that that's that's something a step the President
[00:14:43] President could take as we are seeing seeing those diplomatic efforts play play out. And we've been talking
[00:14:47] talking with our sources in the region, region, the Qatari sources that are
[00:14:49] are mediating the talks between the the US and Iran. Witkoff and Kushner
[00:14:53] Kushner involved in those. But they're they're while they've been positive, positive, we haven't really seen
[00:14:56] seen any breakthroughs and we don't don't know what step the President President might take. At the end
[00:15:00] end of the day, he could say no today today and then something changes changes by Wednesday. And it's just
[00:15:04] just something we have to watch for. for. Kelly mayor, thank you very
[00:15:07] very much indeed for being with us. us. White House reporter at News
[00:15:09] News Nation. Thank you. Thank you. you. Busy few days ahead. Don't forget
[00:15:13] forget you can watch a special programme programme here on BBC News bringing
[00:15:16] bringing you all the results of the the US midterm elections as they
[00:15:18] they happen live from Washington,
[00:15:20] Washington, DC with Clive Myrie Sumi
[00:15:23] Sumi Somaskanda and Caitriona Perry
[00:15:26] Perry tomorrow from 11.30 GMT. And And if you can't wait until then, then, you can listen to the latest
[00:15:29] latest episode of the President's President's Path. See me and Katrina. Katrina. Look at the key states and
[00:15:33] and seats at play in the coming days. days. You can listen to that on BBC
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[00:15:40] quick break. Around the world and and across the
[00:16:45] right here on BBC News. Welcome back.
[00:16:53] back. At least 24 people have been been killed in a Russian attack on
[00:16:56] on a settlement in the Zaporizhzhia Zaporizhzhia region of Ukraine. Dozens
[00:16:59] Dozens more are said to be missing. missing. President Zelensky shared
[00:17:02] shared this video on X. He says the the settlement was hit several times
[00:17:06] times today and that a school being being used for humanitarian purposes
[00:17:10] purposes was struck. President Zelensky Zelensky says after the first aerial
[00:17:13] aerial bomb strike, there was a double double tap strike with nine more
[00:17:16] more bombs specifically targeting targeting the shelter where people
[00:17:19] people were taking cover. Here's Here's the latest from our correspondent
[00:17:22] correspondent in Kyiv. Dan Johnson Johnson the President's described
[00:17:26] described this as an utterly horrific horrific Russian attack. He said
[00:17:30] said it was a school that was hit
[00:17:32] hit that was being used to distribute
[00:17:35] distribute aid to the people of this this village. He said the Russians
[00:17:38] Russians could not have been unaware unaware that every week local residents
[00:17:41] residents who had remained there there were receiving humanitarian
[00:17:45] humanitarian aid at that very location. location. He said the search and
[00:17:48] and rescue operation has been ongoing ongoing and that's why the number
[00:17:52] number of casualties has continued continued rising. He said this was
[00:17:55] was further proof that Russia wants
[00:17:57] wants no de-escalation and no real
[00:17:59] real justice. The President said
[00:18:02] said after the humanitarian operation operation in Oleshky, referring to
[00:18:05] to that temporary ceasefire which which held over the past six days,
[00:18:08] days, he said there was a moment moment when the next steps could
[00:18:11] could have shown that progress towards
[00:18:13] towards peace was possible. But with with these killings, Russia is sending
[00:18:17] sending an entirely opposite Signal.
[00:18:19] Signal. Russia, he said, is counting counting on more killings and there
[00:18:23] there must be a response to this this that temporary cease fire in
[00:18:26] in the Kherson region ended last last night. And we have reports that
[00:18:30] that intense fighting has resumed
[00:18:33] resumed in that region. Once again, again, we understand both sides have
[00:18:36] have taken the opportunity during during that cease fire to reinforce
[00:18:40] reinforce their soldiers to re-arm
[00:18:42] re-arm their units in that region.
[00:18:44] region. Dan Johnson then Kyiv investigations investigations are under way after
[00:18:48] after a private jet crashed in Florida, Florida, killing all nine people
[00:18:51] people on board. This is the moment
[00:18:53] moment the jet crashed. This is dashcam
[00:18:56] dashcam footage from a nearby vehicle, vehicle, the Learjet 60, which was was heading to the Bahamas, came
[00:19:00] came down in Palm Beach County. A A large crater formed in the middle
[00:19:04] middle of a multi-lane road with with fires burning across it. Nobody
[00:19:07] Nobody on the ground was hurt and and the cause of the crash is still
[00:19:11] still unclear. Tom Chapman from the the National Transportation Safety Safety Board shared this update on
[00:19:15] on the events leading up to the crash.
[00:19:17] crash. The crew reported the outside
[00:19:22] outside temperature was -47 Celsius,
[00:19:25] Celsius, which is -53 Fahrenheit, Fahrenheit, and they were managing
[00:19:27] managing the ice but were in moderate
[00:19:29] moderate turbulence. Very soon after,
[00:19:32] after, the crew transmitted, we are
[00:19:35] are picking up precipitation, requesting
[00:19:36] requesting to climb to 37,000ft if
[00:19:40] if able, which was approved by FAA
[00:19:43] FAA Air Traffic Control. Less than
[00:19:46] than 30s later, a transmission from from the aeroplane announced the
[00:19:49] the descent, followed by a mayday
[00:19:53] mayday call about 1248 eastern. The The aeroplane transmitted. We are
[00:19:57] are in an overspeed condition, descending
[00:20:00] descending with the rest unintelligible. unintelligible. Subsequent communications
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[00:20:13] lost. BBC News partner in the United
[00:20:16] United States, CBS News have named named the co-pilot involved in the
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[00:20:22] 20-year-old Natalia Filgueiras. Now
[00:20:25] Now dozens of supermarkets across across six European countries have
[00:20:28] have been hit by a suspected cyber
[00:20:31] cyber attack affecting their refrigerators refrigerators and freezers. Around
[00:20:35] Around 40 supermarkets were hit in in Belgium, seen here and Luxembourg
[00:20:39] Luxembourg and a number of shops shops were hit in Sweden, Ireland,
[00:20:42] Ireland, Estonia and the Netherlands. Netherlands. It's believed that the the attack used the same method as
[00:20:46] as last month's incident that hit hit hundreds of French supermarkets,
[00:20:49] supermarkets, where hackers turned turned the machines to defrost. We'll
[00:20:52] We'll talk about this in a moment moment with technology reporter Will
[00:20:54] Will Guyot. But first, this report
[00:20:58] report from Nick Beake. Everything
[00:21:01] Everything must go. Not a sale, but
[00:21:03] but a binning of once frozen food. food. Just some of the damage in
[00:21:07] in this latest cyber attack to hit hit European supermarkets. All that
[00:21:11] that you can see here is having to to be thrown away. But come and have
[00:21:14] have a look at this because it tells tells the story. The boss of this
[00:21:17] this supermarket just outside Brussels
[00:21:19] Brussels reckons that about 100,000
[00:21:21] 100,000 worth of produce is having
[00:21:23] having to be thrown away. That's
[00:21:26] That's more than £80,000 worth of
[00:21:27] of stock. So here we've got ice creams,
[00:21:32] creams, pizza all that useless. Now
[00:21:34] Now this is one of 40 Delhaize stores
[00:21:37] stores in Belgium hit by the attack, attack, which boosted the temperature
[00:21:41] temperature of fridges and freezers
[00:21:44] freezers to 50 Celsius in Sweden Sweden and five more European countries.
[00:21:47] countries. The same cyber hack switched switched on the defrost mode, making
[00:21:51] making the food warm up. In some
[00:21:56] some organisation has hacked into into the temperature monitor system
[00:21:59] system for refrigerators and freezers. freezers. They've gained access and
[00:22:02] and tampered with settings and the the like. It's insane. I don't see see where they stand to gain from
[00:22:06] from it. It's a form of terrorism, terrorism, really. Terrorism that
[00:22:08] that are you. Cyber security agencies
[00:22:12] agencies from the affected countries countries are now trying to work
[00:22:14] work out who was behind this. We We definitely should be worried about
[00:22:18] about this happening again. It's It's not the first time that it's it's happening. It has happened just
[00:22:21] just a couple of weeks ago in France France and now it's happening throughout
[00:22:24] throughout the rest of Europe. It's It's thought many supermarkets had
[00:22:28] had tried to tighten their security security since the French cyber attacks
[00:22:32] attacks last month. But once again
[00:22:34] again hackers have caused disruption
[00:22:36] disruption and damages running into
[00:22:38] into millions of euros. Nick Beake,
[00:22:41] Beake, BBC News Brussels. Let's speak speak to tech reporter Will Guyot.
[00:22:44] Guyot. Thanks for being with us.
[00:22:47] us. Will what are we able to deduce deduce about who could be behind behind this? From the details that
[00:22:51] that we're getting from these hacks, hacks, does it could it be individuals?
[00:22:55] individuals? Does it have to be a a state or a rogue group? I mean,
[00:22:57] mean, how complicated is it to do do these sorts of attacks? Yeah,
[00:23:01] Yeah, it's always hard to say whether whether or not it's a state or not.
[00:23:04] not. But this feels like this could
[00:23:07] could just be hackers finding opportunities.
[00:23:10] opportunities. There were 4500 of of these units still online last
[00:23:13] last week. Despite this hack happening happening a couple of weeks ago.
[00:23:16] ago. Now in the world of cyber security, security, that would be deemed a
[00:23:19] a fail. But when it comes to fridges, fridges, I don't think that supermarkets
[00:23:23] supermarkets are geared up to have have the software updated on a fridge
[00:23:27] fridge in that period of time. So So this is now a well documented
[00:23:30] documented hack. And you know, it's it's a surprise. It's taken this
[00:23:34] this long since the instance in early early October for this to happen
[00:23:37] happen in France to happen elsewhere. elsewhere. And can supermarkets and
[00:23:41] and anyone who runs these sorts of of big refrigerators quickly and
[00:23:45] and easily protect themselves or or not? Well, a software fix has
[00:23:49] has been available for over a year, year, but probably the easiest thing
[00:23:51] thing to do here is disconnect it
[00:23:54] it from the internet. One of the the biggest questions that's been been asked to me today is why on
[00:23:58] on earth do you need all these freezers freezers connected to the internet?
[00:24:00] internet? Well, the reality is if if you've got, you know, 20, 30,000
[00:24:04] 30,000 of these fridges connected connected to these controllers, it's it's far easier for you, easier for
[00:24:08] for you to do that online across across all of them than it is to
[00:24:10] to go around each store and adjust adjust them. But for now, if there's there's a chance that they could
[00:24:14] could be tampered with, disconnect disconnect them from the internet, internet, that's going to be the
[00:24:17] the simplest way to stop this happening happening in other countries like like the UK, which this hasn't yet
[00:24:21] yet happened in, but we still have have these devices in our supermarkets.
[00:24:25] supermarkets. How much of this is
[00:24:27] is to do with AI and what other sort
[00:24:30] sort of bigger perhaps more, you you know, critical systems could could be at risk from these sorts
[00:24:34] sorts of cyber hacks. This one looks looks as though it's not AI. This
[00:24:37] This is a bug that's been around around for a long time and well documented. documented. But as we've seen in
[00:24:41] in the last week with AI, now it's it's going to find all the errors
[00:24:44] errors in code. There's millions millions of lines of code in lots
[00:24:47] lots of software. Humans are going going to have introduced errors into
[00:24:49] into that. That could be unwitting unwitting mistakes or that could could have been a Friday afternoon.
[00:24:53] afternoon. Ooh, that looks good enough enough for me. And AI is now going
[00:24:56] going to uncover every bug that's that's ever been written in every every piece of software. If you use
[00:25:00] use a chat bot or an AI tool to find find it, and that's going to be the
[00:25:03] the big challenge over the next year year or year or beyond, I would think
[00:25:07] think it's going to be a bumpy road road because lots of errors that that have been in code for years
[00:25:10] years will suddenly be found. What What are the most worrying areas
[00:25:13] areas at risk? Just briefly? It's It's hard to speculate. Anything
[00:25:17] Anything that's connected to the the internet and has an open path path to the internet could theoretically
[00:25:21] theoretically be hacked. And those those are the things that companies companies are going to need to rush
[00:25:24] rush to protect quickest. And that that comes at a cost, doesn't it?
[00:25:28] it? Yeah. Well, yeah, it's going going to come to a cost for the companies
[00:25:31] companies to develop these fixes fixes and for the businesses that
[00:25:34] that own affected devices to roll roll out it people to help them support
[00:25:37] support them. Companies fix laptops laptops all the time. They don't
[00:25:40] don't necessarily fix freezes or or traffic signals or those kinds
[00:25:43] kinds of things that might have, have, you know, these similar controllers controllers in them. Yeah, obviously
[00:25:46] obviously we can all think of even even more worrying areas that we
[00:25:49] we ought to be thinking about. Governments Governments hopefully are. Will Guyot.
[00:25:52] Guyot. Thanks very much indeed for for being with us. More coming up.
[00:25:55] up. Do stay with us. This is the
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