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[00:00:20] Headline News:
[00:00:23] Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Pakistan sign defense agreement in Mecca.
[00:00:26] Riyadh says their pact threatens no country.
[00:00:30] Ankara also says it doesn't conflict with its NATO
[00:00:33] commitments. Trump hopes for an agreement to
[00:00:37] reopen the Strait of Hormuz in the near future. A U.S.
[00:00:41] official said that if this waterway is fully opened,
[00:00:44] the naval blockade of Iran will be
[00:00:46] lifted. Scattered clashes over women's
[00:00:50] attire in Iran. The Friday Prayer Leader of Tehran claimed organized foreign
[00:00:54] efforts to promote immodesty
[00:00:57] were underway.
[00:01:00] And a 97-year-old woman breaks a record by performing on the wing of a
[00:01:04] plane.
[00:01:24] Hello and welcome to this news segment from BBC Persian Television. I'm
[00:01:27] Parham Ghobadi. Saudi Arabia says the joint
[00:01:31] defense agreement it signed with Turkey and Pakistan has nothing to do with
[00:01:35] nuclear ambitions and does not threaten
[00:01:38] any country in the region. Turkey also said that this
[00:01:41] defense pact does not conflict with its commitments within the framework of
[00:01:45] NATO. According to this agreement, which Mohammed bin
[00:01:48] Salman, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and Shahbaz Sharif signed in Mecca,
[00:01:52] an armed attack on any of these
[00:01:55] three countries will be considered an attack on all of them. Turkey is a member of
[00:01:59] NATO. Saudi Arabia is one of the main allies of the United States in the region
[00:02:02] and the world's largest oil exporter, and Pakistan
[00:02:06] is the only Muslim country with nuclear weapons.
[00:02:10] More details in a report by Kazra
[00:02:11] Naji.
[00:02:15] The leaders of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey today
[00:02:19] signed a tripartite defense pact known as
[00:02:22] the Mecca Pact. Just as the Iran-U.S. war
[00:02:26] seriously threatens the region, and now...
[00:02:30] Saudi Arabia has been drawn
[00:02:32] into it.
[00:02:37] Based on this pact or joint
[00:02:40] Mecca defense agreement, an attack and aggression against one of the signatories
[00:02:43] will be considered an attack and aggression against all three.
[00:02:47] Just a few days ago, Iran officially and
[00:02:50] in writing informed the Arab countries of the region that in
[00:02:54] case of new American attacks on Iran, their oil and
[00:02:57] energy facilities would be targeted. Today's agreement
[00:03:01] states that all three countries are committed to further
[00:03:04] strengthening their collective security and promoting peace,
[00:03:08] security, and stability in the region and
[00:03:11] beyond.
[00:03:14] The defense pact of the three Muslim and neighboring
[00:03:17] countries of Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey now
[00:03:20] shows that Iran has been able to unite
[00:03:23] these three countries against its threats.
[00:03:27] Although this pact also has a half-eye on Israel, whose level
[00:03:31] of threats has greatly increased in the past few
[00:03:34] years. For Saudi Arabia, this pact is now
[00:03:37] an opportunity to reduce reliance on the U.S.
[00:03:41] to strengthen its defense.
[00:03:44] Just 11 months ago, wealthy Saudi Arabia
[00:03:47] and nuclear-powered Pakistan signed a joint
[00:03:51] defense pact. A pact that puts Pakistan's military
[00:03:54] capability and nuclear weapons at the disposal
[00:03:57] of Saudi defense. Now Turkey, with one of
[00:04:02] the most powerful armies in the world, a NATO
[00:04:05] member, has joined this group to strengthen Saudi Arabia's
[00:04:09] defense in this dangerous and unstable
[00:04:12] situation in
[00:04:14] the region.
[00:04:17] These images today near Ma'rib in
[00:04:20] Yemen, adjacent to Sanaa. The Mecca defense pact
[00:04:23] was signed today in a situation where the Houthi rebels
[00:04:26] of Yemen have increased their attacks here against
[00:04:30] Saudi forces and ships traveling to the country's ports
[00:04:33] in the Red Sea. The Houthis,
[00:04:37] who are considered an Iranian proxy force, and this pact can
[00:04:40] also affect these
[00:04:44] forces. Today's pact is a sign of
[00:04:47] the current situation in the region and the threat that these countries
[00:04:50] primarily feel from Iran. Iran, with its
[00:04:54] behavior, is going to unite more countries against
[00:04:57] itself. Mr. Nadimi's program. Each of
[00:05:11] these countries has certain capabilities. What do they bring to the table?
[00:05:14] Each of them,
[00:05:17] well, Turkey has a
[00:05:21] very significant and extensive
[00:05:23] defense industry in
[00:05:27] the region. It has made a lot of progress
[00:05:30] and can add this military
[00:05:34] industry capacity to this pact.
[00:05:37] In the current situation, Saudi Arabia
[00:05:41] is investing in some of Turkey's
[00:05:44] projects, such as the stealth fighter, in which it has invested
[00:05:48] about 8 billion dollars, and there is talk that it will
[00:05:51] purchase a number of these fighters after they reach
[00:05:54] the production stage. Turkey also has a
[00:05:58] multi-layered missile defense system
[00:06:02] called "Steel Dome" under development
[00:06:05] and modification, which includes both air defense
[00:06:09] and missile defense, and well.
[00:06:12] Given that similar Western systems
[00:06:16] take a significant amount of time to be ordered
[00:06:19] and delivered, and these countries themselves
[00:06:23] have a very high need, Saudi Arabia can
[00:06:27] count on Turkey's missile defense
[00:06:30] system, which can enter the production cycle in the
[00:06:34] relatively near future, and any investment by
[00:06:38] Turkey and Saudi Arabia can
[00:06:41] have a quick return. Turkey has the second largest
[00:06:44] army in NATO in terms
[00:06:46] of ground forces.
[00:06:49] That's two times the ground forces of Saudi Arabia.
[00:06:53] Fighter jets, nearly a thousand military fighter and
[00:06:57] refueling aircraft. It also
[00:07:01] has a strong navy. Pakistan also has about
[00:07:04] 170 nuclear warheads. I wanted to ask you about this. Do you think that
[00:07:07] this nuclear umbrella of Pakistan
[00:07:11] is going to be applied to Saudi Arabia,
[00:07:14] meaning against potential
[00:07:17] attacks?
[00:07:19] This issue has not been discussed very openly and
[00:07:23] is vague. Perhaps
[00:07:26] it was intentional. Naturally, when
[00:07:29] this pact states that any attack on any of these countries will be an attack on any other country,
[00:07:33] it can potentially
[00:07:36] include the use of nuclear weapons.
[00:07:39] But we see that the use of nuclear weapons for countries that
[00:07:43] possess this capability
[00:07:45] is not
[00:07:48] easy, and we saw in several conflicts between India and Pakistan
[00:07:51] that none of these countries used nuclear
[00:07:55] weapons. Therefore, it can be expected that in many, many
[00:07:58] future scenarios, if something happens
[00:08:01] and Pakistan wants to get involved in defending Turkey
[00:08:05] or Saudi Arabia, it will not necessarily resort
[00:08:08] to nuclear weapons. But having about a hundred
[00:08:12] nuclear contracts, Donald Trump announced a while ago that he had signed
[00:08:16] with Saudi Arabia. Apart from that, 13 years ago, it was reported
[00:08:19] that Saudi Arabia and Pakistan had built nuclear warheads
[00:08:23] on behalf of Saudi Arabia and they were ready for delivery whenever Saudi Arabia wanted them. In the 80s, it also acquired
[00:08:26] S-2 missiles from China, which have a range
[00:08:30] of almost 3,000 kilometers. If you look at the sum of these,
[00:08:33] what are the concerns of Saudi Arabia? Iran or
[00:08:36] Israel? Saudi Arabia is trying to increase
[00:08:40] its deterrence capability in all directions, and this includes both
[00:08:44] Israel and Iran. Saudi Arabia's
[00:08:48] energy infrastructure is very vulnerable, and the events
[00:08:52] that have occurred in the past few years, from 2019 to today,
[00:08:55] have shown how vulnerable Saudi Arabia's energy
[00:08:58] infrastructure is both in the Persian Gulf and in
[00:09:02] the Red Sea. And it needs to create a significant deterrence capability
[00:09:06] here, and it has realized that the defensive
[00:09:09] capability that the United States can create in the region
[00:09:13] is very limited and is not even enough to defend itself,
[00:09:16] let alone its allies. And Saudi Arabia
[00:09:20] should look to other defense capabilities,
[00:09:24] and here the issue is nuclear deterrence.
[00:09:27] Pakistan can potentially
[00:09:30] be a deterrent,
[00:09:33] although it is not specifically
[00:09:36] mentioned in this defense pact. But
[00:09:39] naturally, because Saudi Arabia funded
[00:09:42] Pakistan's military nuclear program, as it is said,
[00:09:46] perhaps in some of the
[00:09:50] confidential articles of this pact between Pakistan and
[00:09:53] Saudi Arabia, or even in the bilateral pact between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan,
[00:09:57] the use of nuclear weapons may have been
[00:10:01] envisioned under certain circumstances. In this case,
[00:10:04] Saudi Arabia will be at ease. Yes, it bought long-range
[00:10:08] S-2 missiles from China in the 1980s.
[00:10:11] Their range was 25 kilometers at that time, for deterrence against
[00:10:15] Iran, and of course, Israel was also
[00:10:18] talked about at that time. And then it acquired a much
[00:10:22] newer generation of missiles from China, and it is even
[00:10:25] said that it plans
[00:10:27] to manufacture them in Saudi Arabia.
[00:10:31] Is signing this memorandum of understanding enough, or
[00:10:35] are other things also needed, such as joint command,
[00:10:38] holding exercises, and things like that? Well,
[00:10:42] naturally, this is the political stage of
[00:10:45] political agreement for this pact. Naturally, a lot
[00:10:48] of time will have to be spent to create
[00:10:52] joint cooperation and joint
[00:10:55] compatibility of command and control systems between these
[00:10:59] countries. Especially Turkey, Pakistan,
[00:11:02] and Saudi Arabia have a long history of military cooperation. Pakistani military forces
[00:11:06] have been present in Saudi Arabia, and many of
[00:11:09] Saudi Arabia's military systems are actually
[00:11:13] operated by Pakistanis. But simultaneous cooperation
[00:11:16] between Pakistan, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia
[00:11:19] will require significant training,
[00:11:23] military maneuvers, and the creation of a series
[00:11:26] of control
[00:11:30] and command systems. Now, to what extent will this happen? Will
[00:11:33] a joint structure be created?
[00:11:36] I think these details are not yet clear. It will
[00:11:40] be determined in the future whether a joint
[00:11:43] military force will be created within the framework
[00:11:47] of this pact, or whether this is merely
[00:11:50] a political pact and defense cooperation will be carried out
[00:11:54] bilaterally or trilaterally within a specific framework that will be determined
[00:11:58] in the future. But it seems that, as it has been said, it does
[00:12:02] not conflict with the Peninsula Shield Force
[00:12:05] of the Gulf Cooperation Council and will, in a way,
[00:12:09] also cooperate with it, and this may lead to countries
[00:12:13] like Kuwait and Bahrain also joining it in the future. It's still not
[00:12:16] possible to be very sure about the Emirates. Do you think that if, for example,
[00:12:20] Iran's infrastructure is targeted by the US
[00:12:22] and Iran attacks Saudi Arabia's infrastructure
[00:12:26] or Iranian-backed groups from Iraq or the Houthis, will this cause Turkey and
[00:12:30] Pakistan to take military action against Iran? Briefly, if
[00:12:33] you please. Automatically, no.
[00:12:36] But it could cause Saudi Arabia to ask
[00:12:40] these countries for help very clearly,
[00:12:44] and these countries, at their own discretion and
[00:12:47] based on their own interests, can use their
[00:12:49] capabilities to defend Saudi Arabia. I think
[00:12:53] Turkey will quickly send
[00:13:03] Thank you very much for being with us on the program, Mr. Nadimi, military analyst
[00:13:07] from Washington. We have Meir
[00:13:10] Javedanfar, an expert on Israeli affairs from Tel Aviv. Welcome
[00:13:13] to the program, Mr. Javedanfar. Has the Islamic NATO caused
[00:13:17] concern in Israel?
[00:13:20] In one sense, yes, because
[00:13:24] it can
[00:13:26] make diplomatic relations between Israel and
[00:13:30] Saudi Arabia more difficult.
[00:13:33] Let's not forget that one of the reasons Hamas
[00:13:36] attacked Israel on October 7th was that
[00:13:40] Israel and Saudi Arabia were on the verge of establishing
[00:13:43] diplomatic relations. And
[00:13:46] now we know that Mr.
[00:13:49] Erdogan has truly adopted very strong
[00:13:52] anti-Israeli stances since
[00:13:55] the day after October 7th, in particular,
[00:13:58] and close relations between
[00:14:02] Saudi Arabia and Turkey could make the issue
[00:14:05] more difficult in the future, of course with a different
[00:14:09] Israeli government, not the current Israeli government,
[00:14:12] but in another sense, no,
[00:14:14] because it can
[00:14:17] actually be an opportunity for Israel
[00:14:21] because it seems that one of the
[00:14:25] main goals of this
[00:14:28] pact is the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist in
[00:14:32] Tehran. Do you think this will affect the normalization
[00:14:35] of relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel,
[00:14:38] which they have pursued so much?
[00:14:41] It can, yes, it can.
[00:14:44] One of the hopes in Israel in
[00:14:48] previous years was that Israel, Saudi Arabia, and
[00:14:51] the moderate Sunni countries
[00:14:56] that are against the government, that truly suffer
[00:14:59] from the policies of the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, Israel would come together
[00:15:02] with them to form a pact against
[00:15:06] the government in Iran, against the government's policies in Iran.
[00:15:10] But Israel did not succeed for various
[00:15:13] reasons, because of October 7th, and
[00:15:16] there's also the possibility that because the war
[00:15:19] could have ended sooner in Gaza, but perhaps because of
[00:15:23] Israel's policies, it continued. And the longer the war continued,
[00:15:27] it truly made reaching an agreement
[00:15:30] with Saudi Arabia more difficult for
[00:15:34] Israel. Now, Mr. now that the Saudis
[00:15:39] will be indebted to Mr. Erdogan
[00:15:41] for defending their country, perhaps one of the conditions
[00:15:45] he will impose in the future for continuing
[00:15:49] to defend Saudi Arabia
[00:15:51] is that Saudi Arabia never establishes relations with Israel. This could
[00:15:55] truly be a major challenge for Israel
[00:15:58] in the short term, but in the long term, it's difficult because
[00:16:02] we all know how much
[00:16:05] agreements and relationships
[00:16:11] can have significant changes in the Middle East. Don't forget how much
[00:16:15] Saudi Arabia and Turkey were enemies. Mr.
[00:16:18] Khashoggi was killed in Turkey, and Turkey was truly
[00:16:22] against Mr. Bin Salman, and with
[00:16:25] the problems that arose, Mr. Erdogan
[00:16:29] truly supported him in creating these problems
[00:16:32] for Mr. Bin Salman, and he was his main source.
[00:16:36] And now both of them are friends.
[00:16:46] Thank you very much for being with us on the program, Meir Javedanfar, an expert on Israeli
[00:16:49] affairs from Tel Aviv. The interim Friday Prayer Leader of Tehran,
[00:16:53] criticizing what he called the promotion of indecency and immodesty
[00:16:57] in Iran, claimed that some people receive
[00:17:00] dollars to appear in what he called
[00:17:04] an abnormal situation in society. Mohammad Javad Hajj
[00:17:08] Ali Akbari said in his Friday prayer sermons:
[00:17:12] A group is taking advantage of the war to promote nudity. At the same time,
[00:17:15] reports were published about hijab warnings given to a number of
[00:17:18] women in some cities, including Tehran, Rasht, and Isfahan,
[00:17:22] and a number of cafes were also sealed. Zaman Savadi,
[00:17:25] a lawyer and gender equality activist from Brighton, UK, is with us.
[00:17:29] Welcome to the program, Ms. Savadi. In a situation where
[00:17:32] the Islamic Republic, now Iran is at war, officials
[00:17:35] are trying very hard, according to themselves.
[00:17:43] There is a possibility of protest. Why should they touch such a
[00:17:46] controversial issue?
[00:17:50] Hello to you and your viewers. In fact,
[00:17:53] precisely for the reasons you mentioned, the Islamic Republic is currently trying
[00:17:57] to increase its control over women, women's bodies, and through
[00:18:01] that, over society, because it knows that the people are like fire under ashes,
[00:18:05] and at any moment, this fire may ignite
[00:18:08] again. The problem is that fundamentally, when we look at the core
[00:18:11] of what happens regarding the hijab, it's not about what a woman wears
[00:18:15] or doesn't wear, or what kind of lifestyle she has,
[00:18:19] but rather about control and obedience. As
[00:18:22] we saw in the previous weeks and months, women who
[00:18:26] did not have the desired attire of the Islamic Republic were present in governmental street
[00:18:30] carnivals, in the occupation of the street. There, the command
[00:18:33] was the command to occupy the street, the command to display
[00:18:37] national unity, and the issue of hijab was not important. But
[00:18:41] now the issue is different. Now the issue is to send this message
[00:18:45] to society, to women and to all citizens, that "I can control
[00:18:48] you." Let's pay attention to this point: the force that is present
[00:18:51] in the streets today, for example, as the morality police,
[00:18:55] will not always remain the morality police. The issue is control. Today,
[00:18:58] that morality police force actually
[00:19:01] controls the issue of women's hijab, and tomorrow it will control
[00:19:05] street protests and other behaviors of citizens. That is, in fact,
[00:19:09] the Islamic Republic, with the very thing we call dress
[00:19:12] code control, is normalizing
[00:19:15] control in society. The moral panic, those
[00:19:19] words you used, nudity, immodesty,
[00:19:23] also creates a moral panic in society, which
[00:19:26] wants to say that through this fear, I will justify
[00:19:30] any kind of suppression, any kind of confrontation.
[00:19:33] Well, women have been fighting for all these years.
[00:19:43] The Islamic Republic has not been able to implement the cultural policies of the Islamic Republic
[00:19:47] against women and in other cultural fields against the people.
[00:19:50] Why insist on continuing this war?
[00:19:53] This point you are referring to
[00:19:56] is an interesting point, because as you said, women
[00:20:00] have never abandoned this stronghold. It was the first stronghold,
[00:20:03] in fact, the first line of defense that women put up against the Islamic Republic
[00:20:07] in March 1979. They came to the streets and said, "No to headscarves, no to oppression." They knew very well that
[00:20:11] the one who tells them, as we heard before, what to
[00:20:14] wear, will later tell them what to think and how to live.
[00:20:18] This has continued from that year until now. The women
[00:20:21] who came to the streets that day, their granddaughters, their
[00:20:25] daughters have not left the streets, they have not returned home, they are still in the streets and
[00:20:28] fighting. Yes, they were able to push back the Islamic Republic
[00:20:32] somewhat, but the Islamic Republic knows very well that
[00:20:36] the issue is not exactly this. The issue, as I said in the first part,
[00:20:39] is control. If we tell these women that okay, you
[00:20:43] can no longer wear the hijab, well, their other demands for civil
[00:20:47] rights, women will specifically demand
[00:20:50] their other rights. But there is another point,
[00:20:54] and that is that the Islamic Republic has a core of supporters,
[00:20:57] and that core of supporters wants the Islamic Republic
[00:21:01] to police society on what one wears, what one drinks,
[00:21:05] what kind of relationships one has. If the Islamic Republic loses
[00:21:08] its core of supporters by really retreating
[00:21:12] on the issue of hijab, well, it has lost its supporters,
[00:21:16] but at the same time, it cannot attract its supporters.
[00:21:20] I, as an opponent of the Islamic Republic, if the Islamic
[00:21:23] Republic retreats from the hijab, from the issue of hijab, I will not
[00:21:27] become a supporter of the Islamic Republic. So, as a result, the Islamic Republic finds itself in this difficult position
[00:21:30] that if it retreats from the hijab, it will lose support
[00:21:34] from its own supporters, and it will not attract opponents either. So, it sees the best thing
[00:21:37] to do is to maintain this stronghold, maintain control over women and
[00:21:41] control over society, and rely on the support
[00:21:44] of that group that still supports it and wants
[00:21:48] these controls to remain in society. These actions of the Islamic Republic
[00:21:52] are usually seasonal, for example, they happen more in summers. Now
[00:21:55] we are on the eve of the anniversary of the Woman, Life,
[00:21:58] Freedom movement. Some say that perhaps that
[00:22:02] is the reason. Do you think these will also have an effect
[00:22:06] on the path that Iranian women or others have taken and are
[00:22:09] at odds with the policies of the Islamic Republic?
[00:22:12] What has happened throughout these past four decades
[00:22:16] shows us that these will have no effect. That is, the Islamic Republic constantly
[00:22:20] tries to call women's way of dressing,
[00:22:23] citizens' lifestyle, abnormal,
[00:22:26] whereas, well, what we are witnessing shows that if this
[00:22:30] were a norm, there would be no need
[00:22:33] for police, cameras, sealing, and such things
[00:22:37] to impose it on society. This shows that, in fact,
[00:22:40] society is clearly telling the government that the way you
[00:22:44] treat me is abnormal,
[00:22:47] and this struggle continues. I don't think that, in fact,
[00:22:51] society will retreat from these behaviors now,
[00:22:55] but society also has its limits. Perhaps sometimes for rejuvenation,
[00:22:58] less, but later more, it will stand against these behaviors.
[00:23:02] Thank you very much for being with us on the program. Saman Savadi, a lawyer and
[00:23:06] gender equality activist from Brighton. We continue the program
[00:23:09] with a few short news items.
[00:23:12] A court of appeal in the United States has ordered the government to halt
[00:23:16] the construction of a $400 million reception hall at the White House.
[00:23:20] The court announced that the government must obtain
[00:23:23] permission from Congress to carry out this project. Following
[00:23:26] the demolition of the East Wing of the White House, the National Trust for
[00:23:30] Historic Preservation sued the government to prevent
[00:23:34] further construction. Donald Trump, in response, described this ruling as a politically
[00:23:38] motivated action and said that
[00:23:41] his administration would appeal to the Supreme
[00:23:43] Court. Following a shooting at a school in the suburbs
[00:23:47] of Bangkok, the Prime Minister of Thailand promised to enact
[00:23:50] new legislation to control firearms. In this incident, a 14-year-old
[00:23:54] boy killed seven people, including five teachers,
[00:23:58] and then committed suicide. He first killed his
[00:24:01] grandfather and grandmother and then stormed the school
[00:24:04] where he was studying. 13 people were hospitalized.
[00:24:08] The Prime Minister of Thailand said it is clear that this attack was
[00:24:11] premeditated. An
[00:24:15] eastern imperial eagle was released into the wild in Serbia
[00:24:18] after being rescued from wildlife traffickers. This
[00:24:22] bird, named Felix, was caught last year after leaving its nest
[00:24:26] and smuggled to the Middle East. The traffickers demanded
[00:24:30] a ransom for his release. Tracking devices showed that Felix's
[00:24:33] last known location was Syria. After that, lengthy negotiations
[00:24:37] led to him being sent to Beirut for recovery and returned home
[00:24:40] six months later. The eastern imperial eagle is an endangered
[00:24:44] species.
[00:24:45] A woman.
[00:24:49] A decade ago,
[00:24:57] with these acrobatic performances, she raised funds
[00:25:00] for charities. In her latest performance,
[00:25:04] she raised donations for the medical staff who helped her during her
[00:25:07] stroke. Steve Noyes, a BBC
[00:25:11] reporter, witnessed her magnificent
[00:25:13] flight firsthand.
[00:25:16] Betty is back. She is 97 years
[00:25:20] old and has once again taken to the If I don't do these things, life becomes
[00:25:24] boring for me. When you get old, you can no longer go to certain places,
[00:25:27] do certain things, drive. You can't see.
[00:25:31] I can't see very well. It's a bit annoying. In the sky,
[00:25:34] Betty feels at home. On the ground, her
[00:25:38] friends and neighbors in her village in Cheltenham
[00:25:42] watch her with worried eyes.
[00:25:46] Betty started this 10 years ago at the age of 87.
[00:25:50] Since then, she has abseiled from a tower in Cheltenham
[00:25:53] and ridden a zipline in Snowdonia, but
[00:25:57] this time she has gone further than ever and asked the pilot
[00:26:00] to perform a maneuver.
[00:27:24] Every time you have the opportunity to do good work, don't ignore it, because you won't pass this way again. Betty has promised that in two and a half more years, at the age of 100,
[00:27:28] she will go into the sky to spend her 100th birthday
[00:27:31] in glory on a flying
[00:27:34] machine.
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[00:27:47] Jürgen Habermas was one of those