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[00:00:27] Our situation is a war. If there's treason,
[00:00:35] we treat them like an enemy.
[00:00:38] The police commander of Iran issued a warning for street protests,
[00:00:42] saying that the security forces are even more prepared
[00:00:46] than before the war.
[00:00:49] The security atmosphere in Saqqez on the anniversary of Mahsa
[00:00:52] Amini's death, reports indicate the Iranian government's attempt
[00:00:56] to prevent a memorial ceremony.
[00:01:03] What has happened to them during this time, and how have the protest activities in Iran
[00:01:07] continued? We will also ask a
[00:01:09] political analyst from Iran to what extent the war-like atmosphere
[00:01:13] has become a pretext for the government to suppress.
[00:01:17] Also in tonight's program. Well, this was an opportunity
[00:01:21] that Iran and Oman provided.
[00:01:23] کردند.
[00:01:26] Iran's claim about the reason for canceling its meeting with the country.
[00:02:03] 60 minutes live from the BBC in
[00:02:06] London. Hello everyone, I am Jamaluddin Mousavi.
[00:02:10] On the eve of the fourth anniversary of Mahsa
[00:02:13] Zhina Amini's death in the custody of the morality police in Iran, security
[00:02:17] officials have issued strong warnings, warnings that indicate
[00:02:20] their concern about a new round of protests in Iran.
[00:02:23] Ahmadreza Radan, the commander-in-chief of Iran's police,
[00:02:27] said that the police will deal with those who, according to him, act to create insecurity
[00:02:31] at the invitation of the enemy, like an enemy.
[00:02:35] Trigger-happy. Almost 4 years ago, the death
[00:02:38] of Mahsa Zhina Amini in the custody of the morality police
[00:02:41] led to widespread protests that became known as the Woman, Life, Freedom movement,
[00:02:45] protests that were met with bloody suppression, with hundreds
[00:02:49] killed. Now, reports of
[00:02:52] increased security measures in Saqqez, her hometown, have been published.
[00:02:55] Iran is under heavy economic pressure, and
[00:02:58] the country is involved in a war that has not yet ended.
[00:03:02] In recent weeks, many government officials have warned
[00:03:06] about the possibility of a new round of protests. Will control
[00:03:10] and threats be effective in dealing with the demands of a dissatisfied society?
[00:03:13] We will talk more about this. First, a report from Siavash
[00:03:17] Ardalan. Our situation is a war.
[00:03:21] If there is treason, threats and intimidation
[00:03:24] is the language that the police commander chose to speak with society.
[00:03:28] Ahmad.
[00:04:01] and the Woman, Life, Freedom movement. A movement
[00:04:05] that is completely different from the events of December
[00:04:09] 2020.
[00:04:11] But from the perspective of the government in Iran, both are a prelude to unrest
[00:04:15] and the possibility of resumption of popular protests.
[00:04:18] And a reason for the need for Ahmad
[00:04:21] Radan's warnings. And the police are completely ready.
[00:04:25] 100% ready in all respects and without hesitation.
[00:04:29] Our finger is like
[00:04:31] the finger of our loved ones in the army,
[00:04:35] Revolutionary Guard and Basij on the trigger
[00:04:38] to protect the security of our people. In today's situation
[00:04:41] in Iran, the main problem of the people is the dire
[00:04:44] economic situation. Iran is under the pressure of crushing sanctions,
[00:04:48] the purpose of which, according to many American
[00:04:51] and Israeli officials, is to incite the Iranian people to revolt.
[00:04:55] است.
[00:04:58] We hope to put Iranian citizens in a situation where they have nothing to lose.
[00:05:02] Nothing to eat and drink.
[00:05:05] Nothing. That's when they will rise up and overthrow the government.
[00:05:09] During the war,
[00:05:13] Israel also tried to encourage potential protesters
[00:05:17] by targeting police stations in Iran.
[00:05:20] For example, if our voice was heard,
[00:05:24] we transferred it to other places. In the discussion of
[00:05:27] passports, well, when units are hit,
[00:05:30] it means that passport holders who want to renew their passports
[00:05:34] or those who wish to obtain a passport will face
[00:05:38] problems, dissatisfaction will be created. I had the honor of 10 years.
[00:05:47] The Green Movement is a familiar name. At that time,
[00:05:50] he was the commander of the Tehran police, but
[00:05:54] now he is the commander of the national police.
[00:05:57] Ahmad Radan, during the 40-day
[00:06:00] war, was one of the officials who attended the nightly gatherings.
[00:06:04] We don't see him as a protester, etc., we see him as an enemy.
[00:06:07] And his threats last night he also repeated
[00:06:11] at that time. We will deal with them as we deal with an enemy. All
[00:06:15] our children are ready. Ahmad
[00:06:19] Radan knows today that the rise in gasoline prices and
[00:06:22] inflation in the midst of a legitimacy crisis
[00:06:26] means that at any moment there is a possibility of protests and unrest.
[00:06:30] That is, a situation in which the government
[00:06:33] has killed thousands of protesters and executed dozens
[00:06:36] of people to suppress it.
[00:06:39] Siavash Ardalan, BBC.
[00:06:44] Nechirvan Maaroufi, the first victim of the Woman, Life, Freedom
[00:06:47] movement protests in Saqqez, from Mainz, Germany,
[00:06:51] is with us. Mr. Maaroufi, you paid a heavy price.
[00:06:54] What happened to you during this time? Tell us about
[00:06:58] your personal experience.
[00:07:10] as they say, is fresh.
[00:07:33] But apart from making us more steadfast and enduring
[00:07:36] in the movement for freedom
[00:07:39] and justice, the demand for
[00:07:43] freedom for a nation has increased,
[00:07:46] not decreased. That's right, you said that
[00:07:50] your will has become stronger. How have your civil
[00:07:53] activities continued, especially abroad?
[00:07:57] Have you continued your protest activities?
[00:08:00] دادید؟
[00:08:04] Yes, 100%. Apart from
[00:08:07] being in the streets for every movement,
[00:08:11] we, as the Woman, Life, Freedom Association
[00:08:14] in Frankfurt, Germany,
[00:08:17] have protest Saturdays every Saturday,
[00:08:21] and apart from that, considering
[00:08:25] the things we can do from outside
[00:08:28] the country, we have done them,
[00:08:32] whether it is going to the streets
[00:08:35] or talking to televisions or social
[00:08:39] media, and finally the parliaments of foreign
[00:08:43] countries, and we, as the injured, are the voice
[00:08:47] of the Iranian people, and
[00:08:49] we will never let the voice of the Iranian
[00:08:52] people
[00:08:55] be silenced, suppressed. We are much stronger
[00:08:59] than the Islamic Republic. The Islamic Republic of Zahhak is 100%
[00:09:03] much weaker than us. Considering what
[00:09:05] Radan said,
[00:09:09] I really don't know how they can, maybe they can.
[00:09:13] In their own televisions, they can really suppress us.
[00:09:17] In the streets, even if our hands are empty, we are still stronger.
[00:09:21] We are fighting with heart and soul for freedom. It's not important to us. It's not important to us that
[00:09:25] whether it's an eye or a life,
[00:09:28] freedom is important to us. Mr. Maaroufi, how do you see the current
[00:09:32] situation, especially when you look at the situation inside
[00:09:35] Iran?
[00:09:39] In fact, considering the news we hear
[00:09:43] and see, the living conditions of the people
[00:09:46] are very bad. But the people we have,
[00:09:48] I don't think it's just
[00:09:52] the economic situation that has
[00:09:56] put them under pressure now. Considering the massacre
[00:09:59] that happened in December 2020,
[00:10:02] we can say that this year, I mean, considering
[00:10:06] what I have seen, 100%,
[00:10:10] the protests will start again.
[00:10:14] And I don't think the people of Iran can
[00:10:16] negotiate with the Islamic Republic
[00:10:20] government anymore. Thank
[00:10:23] you very much, Mr. Maaroufi. Chirvan Maaroufi,
[00:10:26] a victim of the Woman, Life, Freedom movement
[00:10:29] protests, from Mainz, Germany, is with us.
[00:10:33] We also have Sima Muradkhani, a victim of the Woman, Life, Freedom
[00:10:36] movement protests, who is with us from Munich, Germany. Ms. Murad,
[00:10:40] please tell us about your experience,
[00:10:43] what happened to you in these 4
[00:10:57] say that we were among those who were lucky
[00:11:01] and were able to survive and stay alive,
[00:11:05] but the Islamic Republic
[00:11:08] during all protests shot and
[00:11:12] killed thousands of Iranians.
[00:11:15] According to what they say, Mr. Radan said that we will deal with them
[00:11:19] like an enemy. Mr. Radan, when did you not deal with them like an enemy?
[00:11:23] I'm really very
[00:11:26] interested. In all protests, I myself
[00:11:30] was one of the protesters who came out empty-handed
[00:11:32] and had no cry but freedom.
[00:11:36] My hands were empty, but in a completely
[00:11:39] war-like situation, your forces shot me.
[00:11:42] Your special unit's gun was in my hand when it shot me.
[00:11:46] You killed thousands of people in December of this
[00:11:50] year. You killed over 50,000
[00:11:53] innocent people. We say 50,000 people, 50,000
[00:11:57] families are behind this name. Mr.
[00:12:00] Radan, you cannot suppress. Even if you can, you cannot
[00:12:04] suppress this desire that is in the hearts of these people
[00:12:07] with threats. That's right. I
[00:12:10] can tell you very clearly
[00:12:13] that people who have paid so much and shed so much blood
[00:12:17] in this path will not give up. This has been the case throughout history.
[00:12:20] Throughout the history of Iran's struggles,
[00:12:23] the people of Iran have never stood against.
[00:12:34] One day we will celebrate the freedom of Iran, and all my
[00:12:37] hope, all my faith, is in the people inside
[00:12:41] the country. That's right. You referred
[00:12:44] to the killed. Thousands of people were killed, as you
[00:12:47] said. No independent investigation has been conducted in Iran either.
[00:12:51] The government reports a low number, but
[00:12:55] some refer to very large numbers.
[00:12:58] However, what the government itself says
[00:13:01] in December and before that is at least thousands. Is there still
[00:13:05] room for protest inside, in your opinion? Meaning that
[00:13:09] if we consider the dangers,
[00:13:12] you yourself are someone whose hand was severely
[00:13:16] injured. Do you think that people are still
[00:13:20] willing to face those dangers
[00:13:23] and enter the field of protests, or
[00:13:27] is it possible that due to these threats, due to the dangers
[00:13:31] that exist, they might act differently?
[00:13:34] Look, after every
[00:13:38] protest that starts, for example, after Woman, Life, Freedom,
[00:13:42] there was really a period of time when
[00:13:45] I felt very hopeless, but
[00:13:48] in December, we again witnessed millions of people inside
[00:13:52] Iran who came out. With whatever political
[00:13:56] belief they had, they stood together in the streets
[00:13:59] against the Islamic Republic and chanted
[00:14:02] for freedom. Look, people
[00:14:06] who pay for protest
[00:14:09] with blood cannot forget and cannot
[00:14:13] return to their normal
[00:14:16] lives. A mother who has lost her child,
[00:14:19] do you think she forgets? No, that
[00:14:22] same father, that same mother, that same spouse, that same person.
[00:14:26] They are alive, and in my opinion, the Islamic Republic has been defeated for a long time, only its name
[00:14:30] and reputation remain. During this period
[00:14:33] when we witnessed multiple protests
[00:14:37] and multiple suppressions, it's interesting that society has changed a lot.
[00:14:40] If you look at the images coming
[00:14:44] from inside Iran, perhaps a few years ago, this type
[00:14:47] of clothing, this type of coming out
[00:14:51] was unimaginable. Did you achieve anything?
[00:15:03] Look, this achievement is not the favor of the Islamic Republic, it is the struggle of thousands
[00:15:06] of Iranian women. At that time, when I came
[00:15:10] to the street, I saw a girl who said
[00:15:13] I'm going to take off my headscarf and said, "Shoot me."
[00:15:16] It's not something I can say is a favor
[00:15:20] of the Islamic Republic. It's the result of the struggle of thousands
[00:15:23] of Iranian women. And well, there's also something that
[00:15:27] the Islamic Republic is beautifully deceiving and presenting something as false
[00:15:31] because it wants to create a positive image
[00:15:35] in international organizations that, no, we don't have a problem with hijab,
[00:15:39] but one of my main
[00:15:42] concerns when my daughter
[00:15:45] was in Iran was that with
[00:15:49] a headscarf and with a headscarf, we are going to
[00:15:53] the schools of the Islamic Republic, and this forced
[00:15:55] hijab that they impose on a seven-year-old is still the same. Nothing has changed.
[00:15:59] In offices, in
[00:16:02] schools, hijab must be worn. Today, I don't know
[00:16:06] if I'm telling the truth or a lie, that again in Isfahan,
[00:16:10] they have set up morality police for hijab. Look,
[00:16:13] women's hijab is one of the pillars of the Islamic
[00:16:16] Republic, and to want to portray
[00:16:19] something differently is just deception,
[00:16:23] and they want to present a positive image to international
[00:16:26] organizations. That's right. Do you think
[00:16:30] that the protesters in Iran
[00:16:34] who demanded freedom of dress
[00:16:37] and demanded civil liberties will pursue
[00:16:40] more demands and protest again,
[00:16:44] or will they pursue their demands in
[00:16:47] another way?
[00:16:50] Look, never in any
[00:16:53] protest was the issue only one
[00:16:56] thing. Four years ago, my issue was not just hijab,
[00:16:59] my issue was the Islamic Republic itself, a government
[00:17:03] whose foundations are built on blood and crime.
[00:17:08] A government that provides no freedom for
[00:17:11] human dignity, justice, nothing in terms of
[00:17:15] economy, culture, education,
[00:17:18] I mean, I don't know,
[00:17:22] I mean, there was nothing for me at that time
[00:17:26] to have a positive view of this government and stay home and not
[00:17:29] protest. It wasn't like that.
[00:17:32] And people have also come
[00:17:36] to this belief a long time ago. Thank you, Ms.
[00:17:39] Muradkhani.
[00:17:43] Sima Muradkhani, a victim of the Woman, Life, Freedom movement protests,
[00:17:47] from Munich, Germany. Ms. Muradbeigi, I'm sorry, Sima
[00:17:51] Muradbeigi, a victim of the Woman, Life, Freedom
[00:17:54] movement protests, who kindly spoke with us from Munich. Thank you very much.
[00:17:58] Babak Dorbiki, an analyst of Iranian political issues, is also
[00:18:01] with us here from London. Mr. Dorbiki,
[00:18:05] has the war-like atmosphere, in your opinion, become a
[00:18:09] pretext for the government and the things Mr. Radan is saying now?
[00:18:12] Look,
[00:18:14] Radan, in my opinion, General Radan and
[00:18:18] many others are saying the same things they
[00:18:22] said before. That is, in fact, since 2009, Mr. Radan has not
[00:18:26] changed. The war situation
[00:18:29] in his rhetoric does not recognize seasons. In my opinion, the reason is that
[00:18:33] the power of people like General Radan does not come from war.
[00:18:37] It comes directly from the security state,
[00:18:41] a state that has existed for 47 years. It has worked
[00:18:44] in both peace and war. Its survival is tied to the continuation of the
[00:18:48] state of emergency. This state of emergency is not
[00:18:52] necessarily a military state of emergency.
[00:18:55] It is a state of internal security emergency. What Mr.
[00:18:58] Radan defends, in my opinion, is the survival of the security state,
[00:19:02] a state that, in any case, can call public gatherings riots,
[00:19:05] can call any opponent a traitor. Any action can be justified by
[00:19:09] war conditions without the need to declare martial law,
[00:19:13] without the need for parliamentary approval, without the judiciary being behind it.
[00:19:17] That is, if it wants to declare its position, it has also
[00:19:21] exercised this monopoly in peace, but war facilitates
[00:19:24] these conditions. Look, it's important that
[00:19:27] war generally securitizes the situation. Look,
[00:19:30] the December massacre formed the basis for this deterrence
[00:19:34] that Mr. Radan is now displaying. In any case, every time he talks about
[00:19:38] war, he is reminding us of this basis, not as a new threat,
[00:19:42] but in fact, an emphasis
[00:19:45] on the cost that society has seen the consequences of.
[00:19:49] And therefore, I think that the war conditions are a pretext
[00:19:52] in addition to previous pretexts that can
[00:19:55] increase pressure, increase restrictions.
[00:19:59] Meanwhile, we must also consider the other side of the coin in war conditions. It has had
[00:20:03] a very negative impact on people, and to some extent,
[00:20:06] it has deterred people and civil society
[00:20:09] from their normal activities due to the conditions.
[00:20:13] That's right. So now, do these threats
[00:20:16] silence protests and create fear and terror,
[00:20:20] especially in war conditions and all the points you mentioned,
[00:20:24] or is it possible that they will, on the contrary, fuel
[00:20:27] the anger of the protesters?
[00:20:30] Look, I think that for change,
[00:20:34] there are generally a series of mechanisms, one of which
[00:20:38] is, in any case, a crack must happen from above,
[00:20:41] meaning that, in fact, one factor can become
[00:20:45] managerial instability. Another is the issue of a crisis in
[00:20:49] economic failure. Well, look, right now the pressure on people's livelihoods
[00:20:53] is very heavy. In any case, within
[00:20:56] the system, the calculations they are making for continuing
[00:21:00] this siege of the strait, in fact, closing the Strait of Hormuz or
[00:21:03] continuing this current situation, well, they will make the conditions very difficult,
[00:21:07] but this pressure from below must
[00:21:10] pass the threshold of deterrence, meaning that the
[00:21:14] economic conditions must reach a point where parts of
[00:21:18] society see no difference between the cost of silence
[00:21:21] and the cost of protest. This equation will change. Look, now the point that one of your guests
[00:21:25] made was a very important point. I had nothing
[00:21:29] to stay home for and not protest. This is an important
[00:21:32] point. I think this is the breaking point, the point
[00:21:36] that can change everything, but consider one thing. All the mechanisms for changing
[00:21:40] the situation have a main condition, in my opinion, and that is that the security
[00:21:44] apparatus as a whole must suffer an internal
[00:21:47] split for a sustainable change to occur. Well, almost all
[00:21:51] these four points that you mentioned have happened in a way. The split from above, well,
[00:21:55] now we know there is a huge difference between Mr.
[00:21:58] Pezeshkian and Qalibaf on one side and the rest of the government
[00:22:02] on the other. Or this economic pressure you referred
[00:22:05] to has reached its peak. Even in the security agencies,
[00:22:09] well, we know there are differences between the IRGC intelligence
[00:22:12] and the Ministry of Intelligence, and
[00:22:15] sometimes even the intelligence agencies related to the judiciary.
[00:22:18] The differences are very
[00:22:50] Control is still a tool in the hands of some forces.
[00:22:54] Look, it's true that a split has occurred, but keep in mind
[00:22:57] that this split has not yet reached a structural level, so to speak.
[00:23:01] Look, there's a structural dependency between
[00:23:04] the government and, in fact, forces like
[00:23:07] Radan. Look, Pezeshkian needs stability
[00:23:11] to conduct economic negotiations, to negotiate with the US, to improve
[00:23:15] the economic situation, which Radan is, in fact,
[00:23:18] you see. Pezeshkian himself also came back in December and said
[00:23:22] that the protesters are rioters, but later the same government
[00:23:26] declared those killed in December martyrs. These, in fact, show
[00:23:30] that there is a structural dependency. This gap
[00:23:34] exists. All these things have happened, but this does not yet mean that the
[00:23:37] split is complete. And remember, the government is economically
[00:23:41] and situationally messed up, but it is still controlling.
[00:23:44] It still has many, meaning it has not yet reached its peak,
[00:23:48] in my opinion. The government, I am saying, still has ways
[00:23:52] to circumvent certain pressures, and it is activating
[00:23:55] some of its principles
[00:23:58] in fact. The fact that America is constantly talking about economic
[00:24:01] pressure, everyday economic pressure, shows that there were
[00:24:05] still capacities that could not be broken.
[00:24:09] Therefore, I think that all those issues
[00:24:13] exist, and it has not yet reached the point where it is the final point, the breaking
[00:24:16] point. And also, when we talk about a breaking point, we have to see what point
[00:24:20] we are talking about. Is it the overthrow of the government, or the presence
[00:24:24] of protests, meaning the widespread protests and then probably suppression, or
[00:24:28] even the fall of the government at the cost of the entire
[00:24:32] society being destroyed? These also need to be defined, in my opinion. Then
[00:24:35] society, in my opinion, has not yet reached a single definition of this
[00:24:39] issue. In the end, if we want to somehow
[00:24:43] conclude the discussion, Mr. Radan's statements, or
[00:24:46] people like him, like Mr. Eje'i, sometimes say such things.
[00:24:50] Do these send a message of confidence to society,
[00:24:53] or a message of weakness? Look, I think
[00:24:56] that if confidence exists, in war conditions,
[00:25:00] when you want to show confidence, you show it with forgiveness,
[00:25:04] you show it with generosity, you show it with calm, you show it by stepping aside.
[00:25:07] An iron fist is to create fear and terror.
[00:25:11] Fear and terror are also in a situation where you yourself
[00:25:14] do not have this power. You are not sure of yourself.
[00:25:18] To consider everyone a spy,
[00:25:21] to consider everyone an enemy agent, to consider all protests
[00:25:24] as riots, this shows that you are even afraid
[00:25:28] of your own name and your own shadow, and this is where you use
[00:25:31] the iron fist. Otherwise, you could have easily
[00:25:35] from many areas, meaning if, for example, in this war,
[00:25:39] a general amnesty was issued, or is issued,
[00:25:42] this shows that confidence, in my opinion. That you
[00:25:45] want to reconcile with your society, that is a sign of confidence that is a weakness.
[00:25:54] Wherever it shows an iron fist, wherever it tries to use
[00:25:58] execution as a weapon to silence
[00:26:02] society, it shows that your hands are completely
[00:26:05] tied in other areas. You cannot have a healthy and proper dialogue
[00:26:09] with society, and in fact, you don't even think society will listen.
[00:26:13] The only thing you can do to protect your interests
[00:26:16] and your survival is massacre
[00:26:19] and suppression. Mr. Dorbiki, Babak Dorbiki, analyst
[00:26:23] of Iranian political issues.
[00:26:26] On the eve of the fourth anniversary of Mahsa Zhina Amini's death in the custody
[00:26:30] of the morality police, reports indicate an escalation of security measures
[00:26:34] in Saqqez, her hometown. According to reports,
[00:26:37] security agencies have asked many families of those killed in the Woman, Life,
[00:26:41] Freedom movement to refrain from holding
[00:26:44] anniversary ceremonies. Zhiar Gol, our senior
[00:26:47] international correspondent, who has been following the issue, is here
[00:26:50] in the studio. The security situation is reported
[00:26:54] to be a bit tense. Tell us more. Well, Jamal, as you mentioned, it seems that
[00:26:58] in the past few days, security measures,
[00:27:00] especially in Saqqez, the hometown of Mahsa
[00:27:04] Zhina Amini, have been intensified. Security cameras have been installed
[00:27:07] there, at the entrances to the
[00:27:10] Aychi cemetery, where Mahsa is buried.
[00:27:14] At the same time, what we have heard from people who
[00:27:17] are close to her family is that there is a lot of pressure on the family
[00:27:21] not to hold a ceremony. And it's not just
[00:27:24] Mahsa's family. Also, the families of those
[00:27:27] killed in the Woman, Life, Freedom movement have been pressured
[00:27:31] not to hold anniversary ceremonies.
[00:27:34] And if you even look at the messages that
[00:27:37] Mahsa's family, her father Amjad Amini
[00:27:40] or Mojgan Eftekhari, her mother, used to publish
[00:27:44] in the past, this year was very different. For example, her father
[00:27:48] spoke more about Mahsa and that
[00:27:52] with her death, the blood of thousands of other young people
[00:27:55] came to their homes from all over Iran, or that the cause of her death
[00:27:59] would not be hidden. They somehow refrained
[00:28:03] from the severe criticisms they had in the past, and this itself shows
[00:28:06] that there was a lot of pressure on the families
[00:28:09] of those killed in this movement. When
[00:28:12] Mahsa
[00:28:14] Zhina Amini died in the custody of the morality police,
[00:28:18] Iranian society and even the world were shocked. Then it was said
[00:28:21] that this case would be pursued and prosecuted.
[00:28:25] Those who are responsible or those who
[00:28:28] are involved, what happened to that case?
[00:28:32] Well, as you mentioned, it was supposed
[00:28:35] to be investigated. Her family had lawyers, but well, in these
[00:28:39] few years, one of their lawyers was sentenced to one year in prison.
[00:28:42] The reason, he told me when I spoke with him,
[00:28:46] was that he had taken on this case.
[00:28:50] But well, it seems that investigations were conducted
[00:28:53] and a prosecutor was appointed
[00:28:57] to investigate this case. Six people who were members
[00:29:00] of the morality police, men and women,
[00:29:04] were summoned for questioning. It seems that
[00:29:07] even the police inspection
[00:29:10] department had said that it's unusual that all six
[00:29:13] of these cameras that are attached to the chest were off
[00:29:17] or that they had erased the footage,
[00:29:20] and this was a type of
[00:29:23] expert opinion that came from there. But it seems that after
[00:29:27] a long time, the person who was the prosecutor, in a 52-page
[00:29:31] report, came and said that these people who were members
[00:29:35] of the morality police, he exonerated them, and
[00:29:38] he said that even if someone said
[00:29:41] that the cause of Mahsa
[00:29:44] Amini's death was murder, this is counter-revolutionary.
[00:29:47] It's interesting, Jamal, from Hashtgerd. from where her aunt was,
[00:29:50] she had traveled that day to the Haqani Metro Station,
[00:29:54] Haqani in Tehran. All those images exist.
[00:29:57] Exactly from where Mahsa was arrested and
[00:30:00] beaten there. She was beaten. These
[00:30:04] images fade, and the people I spoke with
[00:30:07] who are familiar with this judicial case
[00:30:11] said it seems there is a will not to pursue this.
[00:30:14] But in the past few months, there was another meeting
[00:30:18] with the head of Tehran's judicial complex to review this
[00:30:21] case, but it seems it has not yet reached
[00:30:25] a conclusion, and they even requested a review after
[00:30:28] the investigator's report. They said they went to various
[00:30:31] branches in Tehran, and they said no case has been referred
[00:30:35] to us in court. Thank you, Zhyar
[00:30:38] Gol. In Iran, women have long been riding motorcycles
[00:30:42] without licenses, without formal training, and without insurance,
[00:30:46] and they have come to the streets with colorful motorcycles.
[00:30:49] Their insistence on the right to ride motorcycles has been such that
[00:30:52] it finally forced the government to remove the legal obstacles
[00:30:56] to issuing motorcycle licenses for women. However, the process of
[00:30:59] issuing licenses has not yet begun. Taraneh.