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[00:00:00] A live look at the most important with me, Dariush Rajabian, live from London. news and events in Iran and
[00:00:04] the world.
[00:00:11] Stay with us for the latest developments
[00:00:14] of the World Cup.
[00:00:18] We are with you from
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[00:00:25] It's 8 PM Tehran time. Here are the
[00:00:29] headlines. The world economy is concerned about the increasing crisis in
[00:00:32] the Strait of Hormuz, Bab al-Mandab. Saudi Arabia
[00:00:35] has promised a decisive response to Houthi attacks. Iran says
[00:00:39] the equations related to oil and straits
[00:00:43] have changed. The shortage of
[00:00:45] strategic weapons due to the war with Iran was confirmed
[00:00:48] in a report published by the US Department of Defense
[00:00:52] Inspector General. Trump had repeatedly denied concerns
[00:00:55] about dwindling weapons stockpiles. And a day after
[00:00:58] Fars News Agency announced the launch of a system for
[00:01:02] identifying and punishing,
[00:01:05] according to this media, "traitors abroad",
[00:01:09] now the US, UK and Netherlands are talking about the details
[00:01:13] of a spyware that, according to them, is linked to the Iranian
[00:01:17] government. All in today's World
[00:01:19] News.
[00:01:24] You are listening to BBC Radio. Good evening, wherever you are in the world. I am Naser Madani,
[00:01:27] with the program on Tuesday,
[00:01:30] September 4th. World News from BBC
[00:01:34] Radio from London, we are with you with the latest
[00:01:37] news. Saudi Arabia says it will respond decisively
[00:01:41] to the attacks of the Yemeni Houthis. According to Riyadh, in the latest attacks by this
[00:01:45] Iran-backed group, 13 people were injured in Saudi
[00:01:48] Arabia. Recently, the Houthis, in addition to intensifying attacks on Saudi Arabia,
[00:01:52] also captured strategic points on the western
[00:01:55] coast of Yemen and solidified their control over the Strait
[00:01:58] of Bab el-Mandeb. The possibility of more
[00:02:01] disruption to shipping in these waters, along with
[00:02:05] the Strait of Hormuz, has increased concerns about the escalation
[00:02:09] of the energy crisis in the world. In addition to the fact that
[00:02:12] Brent crude oil prices rose 2% today,
[00:02:16] reaching over $108, security
[00:02:19] concerns are also serious. Mohammed bin Salman, the Crown Prince
[00:02:22] of Saudi Arabia, met yesterday with the commander
[00:02:25] of the US Army Central Command regarding this crisis.
[00:02:29] Today, Mohammed bin Salman has also gone to Cairo, Egypt,
[00:02:33] and met with the Egyptian president. We want to discuss the latest developments
[00:02:36] here with my colleague Omid Parsanejad. Omid, good
[00:02:39] evening. What's the latest news today? As you
[00:02:43] said, the tension between
[00:02:46] the Houthis and Saudi Arabia has caused
[00:02:50] the Saudi Crown Prince, Mohammed bin Salman,
[00:02:53] to go to Cairo and meet with the Egyptian president
[00:02:56] and ask for more support for Saudi Arabia
[00:03:00] in the war against the Houthis. They discussed the issue of
[00:03:03] shipping security in the Red Sea and
[00:03:07] Bab el-Mandeb, which is of great economic importance
[00:03:11] for both countries, Saudi Arabia and
[00:03:13] Egypt.
[00:03:15] This dominance that the Houthis have gained over the western
[00:03:19] coasts of Yemen and apparently over one of the islands in recent
[00:03:23] days has caused the Bab
[00:03:26] el-Mandeb strait to be for ships that
[00:04:00] can no longer buy the amount they need. The price has gone
[00:04:04] up. Tomorrow, Abbas Araghchi, Iran's
[00:04:07] foreign minister, is scheduled to travel to China and meet
[00:04:11] with the Chinese foreign minister. It is predicted that one of the topics that will be
[00:04:14] raised there is the issue of the Strait of Hormuz,
[00:04:17] and that Bab el-Mandeb is also part of
[00:04:21] this regional crisis in which Iran
[00:04:25] and the US are the main parties. But, of course, each of
[00:04:28] these two main parties,
[00:04:33] Iran and Saudi Arabia, are allies of the Americans.
[00:04:36] It seems that in the short term, the Chinese
[00:04:40] might be happy, for example, that America's power has been challenged
[00:04:44] and they are militarily involved
[00:04:48] in the Persian Gulf, but in the long term, it seems that everyone
[00:04:51] is concerned about the medium- and
[00:04:54] long-term impact that this crisis in the energy market may have on
[00:04:58] the global economy, and they believe a solution must be found
[00:05:02] for it as soon as possible. What does it mean exactly
[00:05:06] when Iran says that the equations related to oil and straits
[00:05:09] have changed? Look, Iran's main
[00:05:13] argument is that we are not willing
[00:05:16] to return the situation of the Strait of Hormuz to its pre-war
[00:05:20] state, because they have concluded in Iran that this
[00:05:23] is the only factor that can
[00:05:26] create deterrence for them in the long
[00:05:29] run, because the attacks that the US
[00:05:33] and Israel have launched twice against Iran in the past two years, both of these
[00:05:37] occurred amidst negotiations about the nuclear program
[00:05:41] between Iran. And in the second
[00:05:43] case, with the martyrdom of Oman's foreign minister and
[00:05:47] a British diplomat, Iran was willing in these
[00:05:51] negotiations to make some concessions that it had not been willing to make before,
[00:05:54] but in any case, they were
[00:05:57] attacked, and the perception of the Iranian government is
[00:06:01] that now only this one tool
[00:06:04] can prevent future attacks. They want to make
[00:06:08] this attack and this war so costly that it will
[00:06:12] affect the calculations of anyone who wants to fight Iran, the US,
[00:06:15] or Israel. If
[00:06:18] they can get out of this war very quickly and easily,
[00:06:22] the Iranian officials believe that they will attack again
[00:06:26] whenever they deem it necessary, and they want to do something to prevent
[00:06:30] that from happening. But will the Iranian economy be able
[00:06:33] to withstand such pressure
[00:06:36] with the naval blockade imposed by the Americans
[00:06:40] and the intensified sanctions? And can
[00:06:43] the Iranian government itself emerge from this current crisis or not? This is another question.
[00:06:47] Their own perception is that we must increase
[00:06:51] the pain for the other side so much that they no longer want to attack
[00:06:54] us. And on the other hand, the actions that Saudi Arabia
[00:06:58] is taking in response to the first question, you mentioned.
[00:07:01] We know that in the Mecca Pact
[00:07:04] with Pakistan and Turkey, they had signed an agreement
[00:07:08] to support each other, but that didn't happen there.
[00:07:17] Reports indicated that these calls were not rejected, but confirmed
[00:07:21] that he apparently made two calls requesting help for an attack on
[00:07:24] the Houthis. This did not happen, and now, as you said, he has gone to Egypt.
[00:07:28] How much can we expect Egypt to
[00:07:31] get involved in this game, which has Iran on
[00:07:35] one side? Egypt, which has tried for a long
[00:07:38] time to reach an agreement between Iran and the US. Look, Egypt has
[00:07:43] very serious interests in freedom of navigation,
[00:07:47] especially in the Red Sea, because a significant
[00:07:49] portion of its revenue comes from trade in that
[00:07:53] region, passing through the Suez Canal, which, in any
[00:07:57] case, brings income to Egypt
[00:08:00] and brings economic prosperity.
[00:08:03] But the experience of the years
[00:08:06] of war in Yemen has shown that the vulnerability
[00:08:09] of the Houthis to new, modern
[00:08:12] weapons, bombing, and other things is not so great that
[00:08:16] they can be brought to their knees only through
[00:08:19] bombing and military
[00:08:23] attacks from a distance. The same
[00:08:25] can be said more or less about Iran. That is,
[00:08:29] militarily, in any case, they have not been able
[00:08:32] to overthrow the Iranian government with military means.
[00:08:36] The same situation applies to the Houthis.
[00:08:39] Saudi Arabia is caught in the fact that its
[00:08:43] vulnerability to the Houthis is due to its oil facilities,
[00:08:46] and because they can attack Saudi oil facilities
[00:08:50] with their drones and cause damage that Saudi Arabia's
[00:08:54] retaliatory attacks on the Houthis cannot cause,
[00:08:57] because on the Houthis' side, there are not
[00:09:01] that many vulnerable facilities. This is the problem they have, and it seems
[00:09:05] that even the possible intervention of Egyptians and others
[00:09:09] might have more of a diplomatic aspect and mediation
[00:09:12] rather than military. That is, the Saudis' expectation
[00:09:16] from the Egyptians is that they will cooperate
[00:09:19] to get the entire region out of this
[00:09:22] situation or come up with an idea. Thank you, Omid,
[00:09:25] Omid Parsanejad, our correspondent and colleague at BBC Persian Television,
[00:09:29] who is here in the radio studio today,
[00:09:32] updated us on the latest news, and we also heard his analysis
[00:09:36] about what is happening in the region. Let's also hear
[00:09:40] the opinion of Ammar Gleiter, an expert on Middle East
[00:09:43] issues, about what Saudi Arabia is currently facing
[00:09:47] and what it can do in the short to medium
[00:09:50] term. Currently, neither the forces supported by
[00:09:54] the United Arab Emirates are willing to actively
[00:09:57] enter the conflict, nor is Egypt willing
[00:10:01] to deploy such a large ground force into this conflict.
[00:10:04] And on the other hand, the forces supported
[00:10:07] by Saudi Arabia, the Saleh forces, have not been
[00:10:11] able to hold their fronts
[00:10:15] despite the volume of weapons
[00:10:18] and support they received. Saudi Arabia has increased
[00:10:22] its air strikes as much as it could,
[00:10:26] and the naval blockade of the Houthis has
[00:10:29] continued, putting pressure on the Houthis
[00:10:32] both logistically and militarily. However,
[00:10:36] as I mentioned, this conflict,
[00:10:40] specifically in northern or northeastern
[00:10:43] or northwestern Yemen, is not an area
[00:10:46] where any army or military force can easily
[00:10:50] have a very strong ability to resist
[00:10:54] the forces present there, whether Houthis
[00:10:58] or their allies. Let's not forget that in the
[00:11:01] 1960s, Egyptian
[00:11:04] army forces sent about 70-80,000
[00:11:08] troops to support the Republicans and
[00:11:12] faced a very big defeat,
[00:11:15] which even Gamal Abdel Nasser had called those conflicts
[00:11:19] Egypt's Vietnam. Therefore, I don't
[00:11:23] think militarily Saudi Arabia has the ability
[00:11:26] to at least
[00:11:30] reverse the fronts and push the Houthi
[00:11:33] forces back, and I think it is possible
[00:11:37] that in the coming days and weeks, even the city of Taiz will be
[00:11:40] completely besieged, and its fall is likely.
[00:11:44] This was Ammar Golei, a Middle East
[00:11:47] affairs analyst. But here, there is another side to it,
[00:11:50] and a main side is the US. The Office of the Inspector General
[00:11:54] of the US Department of Defense, in a report, confirmed
[00:11:57] the shortage of strategic weapons as a result of the war with
[00:12:01] Iran, an issue that Donald Trump, the US president,
[00:12:04] had repeatedly denied. The report states that the consumption of ammunition
[00:12:08] in the war with Iran or the operation known as
[00:12:11] "Epic Fury" has led to strategic shortages in US
[00:12:14] arms stockpiles. It also revealed bottlenecks
[00:12:18] in the industrial base for ammunition supply. Bahman
[00:12:21] Kalbasi, our correspondent from New York, is with us.
[00:12:26] What details does this report have,
[00:12:30] especially since Mr. Trump had repeatedly denied everything that was said here?
[00:12:34] This Congress had ordered
[00:12:38] and approved that this Inspector
[00:12:42] General's office in the US Department of Defense
[00:12:45] must provide a report on the status of this
[00:12:48] war, the ammunition consumed, and any possible shortages.
[00:12:52] And in this report, these shortages were confirmed,
[00:12:55] stating that there has been widespread use of strategic
[00:12:59] weapons and anti-missile and anti-drone systems to shoot down
[00:13:03] the drones that Iran was using and the ballistic missiles that
[00:13:06] Iran used. It also
[00:13:09] questioned replacing these weapons at the speed
[00:13:13] that Mr. Trump and his Secretary of Defense
[00:13:16] wanted to create the image that it is happening quickly.
[00:13:20] It questioned that as well, and said
[00:13:23] there are many obstacles to replacing them,
[00:13:27] and it certainly will not be at the same speed
[00:13:31] as consumption. This states something that was
[00:13:35] evident, evident because in the past weeks,
[00:13:38] we repeatedly knew from leaks
[00:13:42] of information from within the Department of Defense and the army
[00:13:45] to American media that such shortages exist,
[00:13:49] and in Mr. Trump's rhetoric, despite his denials,
[00:13:52] it was clear that this is an undeniable fact. This is because
[00:13:56] at the same time he was saying we have no problems,
[00:13:59] he repeatedly said this, but he also emphasized
[00:14:02] that we are building quickly to replace
[00:14:06] them, which itself indicates the need
[00:14:09] for quick replacement. But, of course, this report says
[00:14:13] that the production of strategic weapons is happening at a much
[00:14:16] slower rate, and therefore, this confirms
[00:14:20] the reality and the image that American media
[00:14:23] have presented in recent months about the so-called
[00:14:26] cost of producing these strategic weapons
[00:14:30] and their use, and the shortage in arsenals. But apparently,
[00:14:34] there have been other costs,
[00:14:37] far beyond what is stated in this report. This
[00:14:41] war, of course, the discussion and analysis
[00:14:45] of how much this war has cost the Americans
[00:14:48] is extensive, but one of the main
[00:14:51] figures and numbers that can be cited
[00:14:55] is that the American consumer, compared to six months before the war,
[00:14:59] has paid how much more out of their pocket
[00:15:01] for gasoline and diesel
[00:15:05] in these six months after the war. And this figure
[00:15:08] is now something around $17 billion
[00:15:11] and is increasing every second.
[00:15:15] We should consider this in light of the fact that the calculation
[00:15:19] that the Ministry of Defense makes regarding the current costs of
[00:15:22] the war is also questioned by many experts. They say
[00:15:26] that when they, for example, say the war cost $37
[00:15:30] billion, it was based on the price
[00:15:33] of the ammunition that was used, while this purchase happened two
[00:15:37] or three years ago. If they want to buy the same weapon
[00:15:40] now, there has been a significant increase, and as a result,
[00:15:43] the final cost will be much higher. And also,
[00:15:46] experts say that the damage to the American economy,
[00:15:50] the reduction in GDP, the delay
[00:15:54] in reducing interest rates, all of these
[00:15:57] have damaged the American economy by nearly $200 billion,
[00:16:01] perhaps even more. If you add all of these up, we are looking
[00:16:04] at a bill of nearly $400 billion for this
[00:16:08] war for the American economy. Amazing. Thank you,
[00:16:11] Bahman. Bahman Kalbasi, our correspondent in New York,
[00:16:14] USA.
[00:16:18] Let's move on to the news that has been particularly on everyone's
[00:16:21] lips in the past two or three
[00:16:25] days, which is the issue of AI and
[00:16:28] the use of this relatively new
[00:16:31] phenomenon. China has criticized alarming
[00:16:35] narratives about controlling and monitoring artificial intelligence,
[00:16:39] and at the same time, warned against confrontational
[00:16:42] competition in this field. The spokesperson of the Chinese
[00:16:45] Ministry of Foreign Affairs told reporters yesterday that narratives
[00:16:49] of threat, confrontation, and hostile competition will only
[00:16:52] disrupt the process of global governance over artificial
[00:16:56] intelligence and benefit no one. I have found almost
[00:17:00] no one who can accurately understand
[00:17:03] the meaning of this sentence and tell us what is happening
[00:17:07] right now. But no one better than Hadi Nili, senior reporter
[00:17:11] and senior presenter of the "Click" program,
[00:17:14] who is with us today. Let's hear from Hadi
[00:17:17] why this issue of AI
[00:17:20] has become so prominent. The senior director
[00:17:24] and CEO of Antropy, who I believe
[00:17:27] has now warned about the development of artificial intelligence. China
[00:17:31] has opposed it. What's the story,
[00:17:34] Hadi? Look, Naser, in the last two years,
[00:17:38] especially, we have heard these warnings repeatedly
[00:17:41] that AI is getting out of control, that it might be dangerous
[00:17:45] for humanity. In the past few months, several real
[00:17:48] examples of this happened, such as the famous
[00:17:52] Hugging Face incident, where AI agents
[00:17:56] attacked Hugging Face servers, a place where there are
[00:17:59] software that these AI agents thought they could
[00:18:03] go there and find the tools
[00:18:06] they needed, tools that no one had told them they should go
[00:18:09] and find by any means necessary and bring them for themselves,
[00:18:13] even from places they were not allowed to, to get the points
[00:18:16] for that stage of the game. That is, they had given
[00:18:20] these AI agents an unsolvable problem, and they thought,
[00:18:24] "Well, where can we find it?" From Hugging Face, which is a source of
[00:18:27] these software and solutions, and that's how they attacked Hugging Face
[00:18:31] servers on a large scale, and Hugging Face had to bring in
[00:18:35] AI to kick them out of its
[00:19:00] servers. So this is very striking that it would wipe out humanity
[00:19:04] in a decade. That's a heavy statement for everyone.
[00:19:30] to achieve global governance for AI. The issue is that if all countries
[00:19:34] and all companies do not agree to regulate the speed together,
[00:19:38] if they do not decide together how much they want to step
[00:19:41] on the gas and proceed at maximum
[00:19:44] speed in the development of AI models,
[00:19:48] if everyone does not decide together, then this
[00:19:51] decision is not really a decision because, rightfully,
[00:19:54] an American company says, "You're stopping me, but a bigger company in the US
[00:19:58] is using an exemption and continues to develop." Even if we restrict
[00:20:02] all American companies, they say, "Well, Chinese companies are doing it." If you restrict
[00:20:06] Chinese companies, they say, "Americans are doing it."
[00:20:23] If everyone doesn't decide together, it's useless. What the Chinese
[00:20:27] Ministry of Foreign Affairs is saying is this, but in
[00:20:31] reality, one might say that the position of the US government
[00:20:35] and the Chinese government doesn't differ much in this one regard. Both of
[00:20:37] them are saying "Don't exaggerate,
[00:20:41] don't create a bogeyman out of AI. Everything is fine, don't blow it
[00:20:45] out of proportion, this isn't news." While, of course, researchers
[00:20:48] who are independent or even working in these AI companies are saying
[00:20:52] that due to the very low transparency, due to the fact that we don't know
[00:20:55] what is really happening, the danger is serious. Thank you,
[00:20:59] Hadi. Hadi Nili, our correspondent in the field of technology,
[00:21:03] as well as the senior presenter of the Click program, from
[00:21:06] whom we heard about the latest developments in this regard,
[00:21:10] artificial intelligence and its new challenges for the world today.
[00:21:13] But a day after Fars News Agency announced the launch
[00:21:16] of a system for identifying and punishing, according to this media,
[00:21:21] "traitors abroad," they released spyware that they say is linked
[00:21:25] to the Iranian government. But the first
[00:21:30] part of that, which is that the Iranian government recently
[00:21:34] launched a software, actually a system called
[00:21:37] "Elaj" to identify, monitor, and prosecute
[00:21:40] Iranians abroad who are opposed to the Islamic
[00:21:43] Republic, is the main topic of this part of the program,
[00:21:47] and we want to discuss it. This system that Iran has launched
[00:21:51] is supposed to publish the personal information
[00:21:54] and identity of Iranians abroad, and it has also threatened
[00:21:57] that anyone who opposes the government will have
[00:22:00] their civil rights revoked. We want to discuss this with
[00:22:04] my colleague Farzad Seyfikaran from the BBC Persian Fact
[00:22:08] Checking team. Farzad, what is the story of this
[00:22:12] project? What do we know about it? Well, Naser, let's start
[00:22:15] with its name. As its name suggests, "Elaj" is actually
[00:22:19] a completely threatening name. In fact,
[00:22:23] a website has been created. We still don't know exactly
[00:22:26] which institution it belongs to, and they have kept
[00:22:29] it very secret. But, of course, a lot of information
[00:22:33] related to the judiciary has been published in it. This system,
[00:22:36] in fact, aims to, as they say,
[00:22:39] identify and monitor Iranians abroad who are in
[00:22:43] some way opposed to the government, and to collect
[00:22:47] their personal information
[00:22:50] from various sources, both from individuals who report
[00:22:54] them and from the place where
[00:22:58] this Elaj system was launched. It then
[00:23:01] publicly publishes this information.
[00:23:05] They have created a website with a section called "Traitors
[00:23:08] to the Homeland." Unfortunately, I have to use this name to be able
[00:23:12] to explain it. And there, a complete profile
[00:23:15] has been created for each individual, from their photo
[00:23:19] to their very personal details,
[00:23:23] such as father's name,
[00:23:26] surname, national ID, place of
[00:23:30] residence, education, and anything else. And even screenshots
[00:23:33] of that person's activities on their social networks,
[00:23:37] even some accounts that I was reviewing, for example,
[00:23:40] are private, but it's clear that this information reached
[00:23:44] this system from somewhere, for example, photos were taken
[00:23:48] from their Instagram stories. And they publish the specifications
[00:23:52] of these individuals in this way, and this system says
[00:23:56] that we ask people to report these individuals who are
[00:24:00] against the Islamic Republic so that we can take
[00:24:03] legal action against them.
[00:24:07] The basis of this legal action is
[00:24:10] also the law on intensifying the punishment
[00:24:13] of spies, which was partially approved by
[00:24:16] the parliament in recent months. And well,
[00:24:20] they say that one of the actions is to ban them from transactions,
[00:24:23] confiscate their assets. When we looked at these
[00:24:27] individuals whose information was published there,
[00:24:30] most of them are close to monarchists
[00:24:33] and the People's Mujahedin Organization, and they have filed these
[00:24:37] individuals there and say that so far,
[00:24:41] 1,600 people have been identified, and
[00:24:44] 600 of these 1,600 people were identified through
[00:24:48] public reports.
[00:24:55] people have been filed, and legal action has been taken against
[00:24:59] 40 of them. For example, these legal actions can include
[00:25:02] all of the civil rights issues I mentioned, such as
[00:25:06] being banned from transactions, asset confiscation,
[00:25:09] which we also had in the news in recent weeks. But the most
[00:25:13] concerning part is that they use very personal
[00:25:16] and sensitive information of individuals and publish it. This has
[00:25:20] caused concern among many, what is the solution
[00:25:23] now? That is, when you think
[00:25:27] about it, you really get worried. No matter how you think
[00:25:30] about it, you get worried. We don't have much time, Farzad, if we can
[00:25:34] keep it short. Yes, imagine suddenly you find that your
[00:25:38] very, very private information, for example, in one case I saw
[00:25:42] that even a person's personal relationships with their parents
[00:25:46] were written there. And well, this shows that probably
[00:25:50] a close person informed them. And then they say that they
[00:25:53] will take legal action against them. Naturally, that person's
[00:25:57] privacy is violated simply because of
[00:26:00] their opposition to a government.
[00:26:04] There are also other concerns. For example, I have seen cases where even
[00:26:08] children's photos were published, which is very concerning.
[00:26:11] There have been similar projects before, in a minute,
[00:26:14] another project called Jasus-yab was launched by the IRGC Intelligence
[00:26:18] Organization. That was specifically for people inside the country
[00:26:22] and against citizen journalists, people who wanted to take
[00:26:25] pictures or videos of, for example, protests or places that were attacked
[00:26:29] during the war. They tried to identify and arrest them through this
[00:26:45] Tehran. I definitely invite you to watch this report.
[00:26:49] I think it will be on a video wall and all of this will be explained
[00:26:53] in detail. Thank you for staying with us until
[00:26:57] the end of this World News program. With Shadab Hatami,
[00:27:00] the producer of this program, Farzad.
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