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[00:00:00] And now he has gone for
[00:00:03] a diesel deal with Russia, but the reaction we
[00:00:06] see from serious Republican figures like
[00:00:10] even the representative Senator of Nebraska
[00:00:13] at the moment is that this response, meaning an agreement with
[00:00:16] Russia, is the wrong response to the diesel problem in America,
[00:00:20] and Mr. Trump, if he
[00:00:23] wants to solve the fuel problem with Russia,
[00:00:26] it should be after the end of the Ukraine war and he should
[00:00:30] not strengthen the Ukrainian war machine
[00:00:33] with this action. This is the position we hear from Mr.
[00:00:37] Trump's party members. Pourzayyahi, our correspondent in Washington, thank you.
[00:00:41] Oleksiy
[00:00:44] Honcharenko, member of the Ukrainian parliament and head
[00:00:47] of the Committee on Migration and Refugees in the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of
[00:00:51] Europe, is with us from Ukraine. Welcome to the program, Mr.
[00:00:54] Honcharenko. First, I wanted to ask you about
[00:00:58] this.
[00:01:18] We will have elections ahead, and it is very likely that we will
[00:01:21] have a new president, but all
[00:01:25] of this will be after the end of the war,
[00:01:28] because in the current situation.
[00:02:30] He must present this to us
[00:02:33] and unveil it.
[00:02:37] Recently, the Ukrainians have been in contact with Vitekov and Jared Kushner
[00:02:40] regarding the peace
[00:02:43] process, and if President Trump
[00:02:46] sees a problem, he should tell President Zelensky
[00:02:50] what their conditions are and what the peace
[00:02:54] conditions are, and at
[00:02:57] this point, it seems that Russia does not want to end the war. Mr.
[00:03:01] Trump says that Ukrainians should not
[00:03:04] have attacked Russian oil or
[00:03:08] diesel facilities because attacking
[00:03:11] them also harms America because America
[00:03:15] wants fuel prices to be low due to the war with Iran.
[00:03:19] Why didn't the Ukrainians
[00:03:22] listen to Mr. Trump, meaning that they
[00:03:26] should consider other targets to attack?
[00:04:14] energy. Yes, it is possible that Ukraine would want
[00:04:18] to stop these attacks, but in return,
[00:04:21] Russia must promise that
[00:04:23] it
[00:04:26] will not damage Ukraine's important infrastructure
[00:04:30] and facilities. The world needs Russian oil as
[00:04:34] much as it needs Ukrainian grain. If they
[00:04:37] promise not to attack
[00:04:40] Ukrainian ports, then
[00:04:44] there is an agreement
[00:04:47] that is both probable and reasonable and can be implemented.
[00:04:51] When Russia attacked Ukraine, many thought
[00:04:55] that Ukraine would fall in 48 hours or in a week,
[00:04:59] but now, for several years, Ukraine has been
[00:05:02] resisting with very fierce
[00:05:05] resistance.
[00:05:08] But if Ukraine wants to reach peace with Russia, what
[00:05:12] concession?
[00:05:28] We are ready to end the war within
[00:05:31] these current borders,
[00:05:34] which means that some of these territories are currently
[00:05:38] under Russian control, but we will not
[00:05:42] recognize them as Russian territory.
[00:05:45] Rather, these will be occupied territories.
[00:05:49] Well, this is one of Ukraine's retreats,
[00:05:53] and there are other issues as well, such as Ukraine not
[00:05:56] joining the NATO alliance, which seems
[00:06:00] reasonable. But in return,
[00:06:03] Russia must
[00:06:07] make other promises.
[00:06:10] For example, other promises that
[00:06:42] a segment of the wars between Iran and Greece in ancient times has caused controversy
[00:06:46] inside and outside Iran. Mr. Rubio said these things
[00:06:49] on Wednesday during his trip to Greece. First, let's hear parts of
[00:06:53] his words
[00:06:54] together.
[00:06:59] 480 years before Christ, the forces of Xerxes entered this
[00:07:03] city and set its shelters on fire. Most
[00:07:06] Athenians had by then left there by ship and gone to the nearby
[00:07:10] island. But a handful of people refused
[00:07:14] to leave their city. Therefore, they built
[00:07:18] shelters for themselves in the stone fortress of the Acropolis
[00:07:21] to fight in an extraordinary last stand.
[00:07:25] They threw huge stones from the cliffs at the
[00:07:29] Iranian invaders and stopped the largest empire
[00:07:32] of that era for a few days. But eventually, they were defeated.
[00:07:36] The Iranians plundered the temples. They
[00:07:39] burned the shrines and razed the Acropolis to the ground.
[00:08:12] These institutions and ideas reflected more fundamental
[00:08:15] characteristics that we have seen in ancient Greeks,
[00:08:19] characteristics that cannot be reduced to a specific
[00:08:23] political system or
[00:08:24] theory.
[00:08:29] That was Marco Rubio, the US Secretary of State, in front of the Parthenon temple.
[00:08:33] However, in Iran, officials of the Islamic Republic reacted
[00:08:37] to his statements. Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, Speaker of Parliament
[00:08:41] and senior negotiator of the government with the Trump administration,
[00:08:44] said that the confrontation between the US and Iran will ultimately
[00:08:47] lead to defeat and Washington kneeling
[00:08:51] before Tehran. Another senior official who
[00:08:55] attacked the US Secretary of State is Mohsen Rezaei, Secretary of the Supreme
[00:08:58] National Security Council. He also warned that America
[00:09:02] will be the loser of the war with Iran. Several newspapers
[00:09:05] also dedicated their front pages to this news.
[00:09:09] For example, Farhikhtegan newspaper, affiliated with the Azad
[00:09:12] University, claimed that the current rulers of Iran, like
[00:09:16] Shapur I Sassanid, who conquered Valerian, the Roman
[00:09:19] emperor, and his army, will force America
[00:09:23] to surrender. Vatan-e Emrooz newspaper also
[00:09:26] described Marco Rubio's statements as an attempt to persuade
[00:09:29] Europeans to join America in the war with Iran.
[00:09:33] The US Secretary of State's remarks have also sparked widespread reactions
[00:09:37] on social media. Touraj
[00:09:40] Daryaee, head of the center
[00:09:47] for culture at the University of California, Irvine, is with us. Mr.
[00:09:50] Daryaee, as a historian and
[00:09:53] as someone who has closely followed
[00:09:57] these issues, what was your impression when
[00:10:01] you heard Mr. Rubio's words?
[00:10:04] I would say that my impression is that
[00:10:07] it is not the first time that politicians, by
[00:10:10] using history, try to establish
[00:10:14] a new perspective or their
[00:10:17] own words.
[00:10:20] It is clearly obvious that America and Israel are at war with Iran.
[00:10:23] Mr. Rubio,
[00:10:27] where Xerxes and the Iranian army went and burned
[00:10:31] that place, they talk about the migration of
[00:10:34] Islam and Iranians
[00:10:37] within this story, and in fact, they tie
[00:10:41] these issues together
[00:10:43] with ancient history.
[00:10:46] Can the Islamic Republic really be linked
[00:10:49] to, let's say,
[00:10:52] the ancient Persian Empire? And then
[00:10:56] infer that the same war, the same
[00:10:59] good and evil, and the same
[00:11:02] conflict has been resurrected
[00:11:05] now? You really can't. These are, after all,
[00:11:08] different periods of history. But we must
[00:11:12] remember that in the Western view, this
[00:11:15] East-centric or Orientalist view has always existed.
[00:11:19] That is, it views the East as a society that never
[00:11:23] changes. It imagines them as being the same as
[00:11:27] they were, and when you have this Orientalist view,
[00:11:31] you can easily exploit past history
[00:11:34] for your
[00:11:38] own purposes. Mr.
[00:11:40] Rubio also said elsewhere that Western civilization is actually on the verge of destruction,
[00:11:44] and we must come to our senses.
[00:11:48] What does this mean? Does he want to say that, for example,
[00:11:51] Iran is part of that same
[00:11:55] Eastern civilization that has risen again and may,
[00:11:58] for example, destroy the
[00:12:01] new civilization? Yes, I think
[00:12:04] there are several issues. One is the issue of non-Europeans
[00:12:08] migrating to Europe
[00:12:10] and now to America. This is one issue, but in addition to that, it is
[00:12:14] not without reason that they went to the Acropolis, a place that the Iranians
[00:12:17] occupied and conquered
[00:12:20] 480 BC, because the Ionians
[00:12:24] in
[00:12:55] civilizations came up, and it created a lot of discussion. Then the reformist
[00:12:59] president of Iran raised the dialogue of civilizations
[00:13:02] at that time. Now you are seeing a
[00:13:05] trend again where some people want to say
[00:13:09] that the clash of civilizations has become a reality
[00:13:12] and
[00:13:15] that this is truly a conflict and a civilizational
[00:13:18] battlefield. I think we are exactly
[00:13:21] hearing the story or narrative of Mr. S.
[00:13:55] who, in fact, built a global empire.
[00:13:58] The issue of East and West did not exist in the past, and this
[00:14:02] is because of either ignorance or not knowing Mr.
[00:14:06] Rubios, who is using a different narrative.
[00:14:09] You said that Mr. Rubio's ignorance
[00:14:12] has actually deeply affected Iranian nationalists,
[00:14:16] those who are devoted to ancient Iran. And
[00:14:20] isn't it possible that, in an unintended way,
[00:14:23] it actually serves the interests of the Islamic Republic
[00:14:26] and the Iranian government, to exploit these kinds of statements
[00:14:30] and interpretations for its own benefit?
[00:14:33] This incorrect interpretation by
[00:14:37] Mr. Rubio makes Iranians feel provoked,
[00:14:41] and the patriotic, nationalistic sentiment of the Islamic
[00:14:44] Republic, because of its own positions,
[00:14:47] all of these things come together. That is, the signal
[00:14:51] is, "Look, these Westerners, at the end of the
[00:14:55] day, they see us as the same old enemies."
[00:14:58] And then, how difficult it is for those who are aware
[00:15:02] of what the Islamic Republic is doing and the nature
[00:15:05] of that government, and
[00:15:08] who also have some agreement, for example, with
[00:15:12] Mr. Trump's government, his view of history,
[00:15:15] culture, and even the modern world today.
[00:15:18] Yes, two mistakes do not make something
[00:15:22] right, and we must, as those who are
[00:15:26] just here, be able to pay attention. We must point
[00:15:29] out the dangers and mistakes of both sides, but
[00:15:33] now the issue is the issue of Iran's
[00:15:36] survival, and the fact that it has been
[00:15:39] bombed for a year makes it much
[00:15:43] more difficult for us to say now
[00:15:46] how the sins of this side
[00:15:48] compare to the sins of
[00:16:04] have again attacked Riyadh's King Khalid International Airport with missiles.
[00:16:08] Hospital sources say that dozens were injured in the attack,
[00:16:11] and five Saudi citizens were admitted to
[00:16:15] intensive care. Etihad and
[00:16:18] Qatar Airways canceled their scheduled flights
[00:16:22] to Riyadh for Sunday and Monday. Meanwhile,
[00:16:26] Saudi Arabia says it has bombed more than 130
[00:16:29] Houthi positions in Yemen. Saudi officials say the goal is to eliminate
[00:16:33] the Houthis' ability to fire ballistic
[00:16:37] missiles. Kasra Naji reports.
[00:16:38] دهند
[00:16:44] King Khalid International Airport in Riyadh was
[00:16:46] attacked by Houthi missiles on
[00:16:50] Thursday. Saudi Arabia says three people were killed in these attacks,
[00:16:53] including a Saudi Arabian Airlines
[00:16:57] pilot, whose plane was also hit here.
[00:17:00] At least two Houthi ballistic
[00:17:04] missiles landed here in this attack,
[00:17:07] which is the second attack on this airport in recent
[00:17:11] weeks. Several airlines, including Air India
[00:17:14] and Lufthansa, have suspended their flights
[00:17:18] here.
[00:17:21] In response, Saudi Arabia has launched extensive
[00:17:25] airstrikes against the Houthis. It says that in order to eliminate
[00:17:29] the threat of their ballistic missiles, which in the recent
[00:17:32] attack on Riyadh came from about a thousand kilometers away,
[00:17:36] missiles that Saudi Arabia says Iran has given
[00:17:39] to the Houthis. Saudi Arabia says in retaliation
[00:17:43] it has bombed more than 130 Houthi positions
[00:17:46] over the past two days. These images
[00:17:50] show some of these attacks in Sana'a and its surroundings, which are under Houthi
[00:17:54] control.
[00:17:57] Saudi Arabia says it has also conducted extensive airstrikes
[00:18:00] in support of government ground forces, which are reportedly
[00:18:04] trying to recapture coastal areas in the sea.
[00:18:28] No matter how much Saudi Arabia and its allies
[00:18:31] threaten the Houthis, in the end, they will
[00:18:35] fall.
[00:18:38] Meanwhile, the UN Security Council discussed developments in Yemen
[00:18:42] and Saudi Arabia yesterday without issuing a statement
[00:18:45] or resolution. The UN Special Envoy for
[00:18:49] Yemen said Yemen has now returned to a full-blown
[00:18:52] war. The Saudi representative said that his country
[00:18:56] will not allow the Houthi terrorists, as he called them, to
[00:19:00] control the Red Sea or Bab al-Mandab and threaten the region.
[00:19:03] And the representative of the Yemeni government called
[00:19:07] on the international community to stop arms smuggling to the
[00:19:11] Houthis.
[00:19:14] In the past hour, there have also been reports of another attack on Riyadh
[00:19:17] Airport, an attack that reportedly left dozens injured
[00:19:21] in Terminal 3 of King Khalid
[00:19:25] International Airport. Flight tracking shows that
[00:19:28] the airport was closed to flights following
[00:19:32] the attack. A long
[00:19:38] One month after the arrest of photojournalist Majid Saeedi,
[00:19:42] his whereabouts, reasons for arrest, and arresting authority
[00:19:45] have not been announced. Security forces arrested him at his home
[00:19:49] a month ago and, before searching his home
[00:19:53] and confiscating some of his personal belongings, took
[00:19:56] him to an unknown location. Previously, the Iranian
[00:20:00] Photojournalists Association had expressed concern about Mr. Saeedi's situation.
[00:20:03] Majid Saeedi was arrested in 2021 when he had gone
[00:20:07] to West Azerbaijan province to report on the situation of Afghan
[00:20:11] refugees
[00:20:30] Iranian photographers, and
[00:20:34] he was first, I think, arrested in 2009
[00:20:37] during the Green Movement. Then he was banned from working,
[00:20:41] and I had the honor of traveling with him for several
[00:20:45] years to live and work in Afghanistan, and
[00:20:48] there I was his colleague and roommate for three or four years,
[00:20:52] and we lived together. He is one of Iran's well-known photographers
[00:20:56] who has worked in the region, has been in various countries,
[00:20:59] in Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya. So
[00:21:03] the news of his arrest is very
[00:21:07] upsetting and alarming for the Iranian
[00:21:10] photojournalism community, because he has been working in Iran for years.
[00:21:14] He is a well-known photographer, and he always does professional work.
[00:21:17] That's why I have worked with him and know him personally,
[00:21:21] and the news of his arrest in recent days has worried
[00:21:24] all of us, especially since I asked his dear friends and old
[00:21:28] colleagues, and it seems that he had heart
[00:21:31] surgery some time ago. So, to be honest,
[00:21:34] it's very worrying in this situation that
[00:21:38] he has been taken, and there is no news of him, and the only
[00:21:42] thing his family said, I think, is that
[00:21:46] he made a call some time ago regarding a request.
[00:22:08] They have this problem with the Islamic Republic government. The truth is, this is not the first time. I think
[00:22:12] the Iranian photojournalism community has only
[00:22:15] once worked without stress, without fear,
[00:22:18] and that was, I think, the 1979 Revolution. After the 1979 Revolution, in all periods,
[00:22:22] during the student movement, the Green Movement, Aban
[00:22:26] 98, the Woman, Life, Freedom movement, and last December,
[00:22:29] our photographers have always been
[00:22:32] harassed, harmed, and arrested.
[00:22:36] That's why I think the Iranian photojournalism community in the last 40-50
[00:22:40] years has only once been able to work without stress
[00:22:50] Photojournalists. To be honest, in some
[00:22:53] movements and events, photojournalists' role is
[00:22:57] more prominent and important than that of reporters. A reporter
[00:23:01] can open their window and look at a movement, an
[00:23:04] event, a demonstration, and interview a few people
[00:23:08] passing by their door and write the news. But a photojournalist
[00:23:12] must be present there, go within a meter of the event,
[00:23:15] in addition to the fact that they are forced to get close, and this
[00:23:19] is their professional duty, and this is the kind
[00:23:23] of work they must do. One thing that photojournalists
[00:23:26] are always feared by governments all over the world, not just
[00:23:30] Iran, is that photojournalism is the eye of society
[00:23:33] and visual history. After all,
[00:23:36] we know history through images, don't we? If you want to
[00:23:40] talk to a generation that was in the streets for Woman, Life, Freedom, about
[00:23:43] the Green Movement, you can tell them with all the articles
[00:23:47] you have written, but it's the image that can
[00:23:50] show that crowd or about the Woman,
[00:23:54] Life, Freedom movement and all the events. That's why
[00:23:57] the Islamic Republic is afraid of the photojournalism community because
[00:24:01] if a crime, a massacre happens, it's the photojournalist
[00:24:05] who records these for history and preserves them in history.
[00:24:08] In addition to this historical event, they can viralize
[00:24:12] it instantly throughout the world and show it to the world.
[00:24:15] That's why in countries where there is a dictatorship
[00:24:18] or semi-dictatorship and the government space
[00:24:22] is not democratic but closed, they are always afraid of photojournalism
[00:24:25] because it is the eye of society
[00:24:40] when photojournalists are arrested, their first charges are
[00:24:44] that you viralized a photo.
[00:24:47] That is, the charge is "I have a lot of photos".
[00:24:57] This has been the question: why have these photos left your computer,
[00:25:01] your camera, and been seen around the world?
[00:25:04] And well, this is the mission of the
[00:25:08] photographer, which is to show the world the photos they have taken,
[00:25:11] and then to show them to their own society. That's why
[00:25:15] I don't think my colleagues in the last 40 years,
[00:25:19] 30-40 years, have done anything wrong beyond
[00:25:22] their professional duty. They just have the duty, like all people
[00:25:26] who live in society, to show the world the images
[00:25:41] with a news item related to the world of technology. The Philadelphia
[00:25:44] Police Department in the state of Pennsylvania, USA, says that an artificial
[00:25:48] intelligence model from Anthropic
[00:25:50] sent fake documents about an unsolved murder
[00:25:54] case through the police website. This happened three
[00:25:57] months ago, and the AI introduced itself as
[00:26:00] someone with information about the case,
[00:26:04] but Anthropic itself had learned about this
[00:26:07] weeks before. Yesterday, Anthropic confirmed
[00:26:11] that its AI agents were acting
[00:26:14] against the company's wishes
[00:26:17] and had tried to access
[00:26:19] several local government systems.
[00:26:22] اند.
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[00:30:30] airstrikes and intensified fighting around,
[00:30:35] they targeted Riyadh International
[00:30:37] Airport.
[00:30:40] One day after the assassination of the Deputy Police Chief of Sistan and Baluchestan, a group
[00:30:43] called the Popular Front for Struggle claimed responsibility.
[00:30:47] Lower energy prices at the cost
[00:30:51] of concessions to the Kremlin. Zelensky says: lifting
[00:30:54] sanctions on Russian gas sales prolongs the war. Trump says:
[00:30:57] گوید: