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[00:00:00] He is from all members of his cabinet and rarely can he
[00:00:04] say something that is against his views in this way. Can it
[00:00:07] mean that Mr. Trump, if J.D. Vance wants to run in the
[00:00:11] next election, is already giving signs
[00:00:15] that he will support
[00:00:16] him?
[00:00:21] Now, in my opinion, it is too early to determine whether
[00:00:25] Mr. Trump will support J.D. Vance
[00:00:28] or not. I want to mention a point that in
[00:00:32] fact, if you allow me, I will
[00:00:35] just go back to the speech of one of
[00:00:38] the dear guests regarding two
[00:00:42] points: Israel and the issue of
[00:00:45] necessary war. Anyway, my opinion, and
[00:00:48] I have written this many times and
[00:00:51] referred to it in other places, in my opinion,
[00:00:55] this
[00:00:58] war, that is, what Mr. Trump did,
[00:01:02] was not to start a war with Iran; he actually
[00:01:05] wanted to end the war that Iran
[00:01:09] had started. This was a
[00:01:13] necessary war, not a
[00:01:15] discretionary war. It was a
[00:01:19] necessary war. But the war that Iran
[00:01:22] had started was proxy wars because we know that
[00:01:24] America directly attacked Iran, right?
[00:01:27] The war that Iran
[00:01:40] declared war on four axes in the Islamic
[00:01:44] Republic. First, against
[00:01:47] America; second,
[00:01:50] against Israel; third, against
[00:01:53] modernity. You have the fatwa against Salman
[00:01:57] Rushdie, and fourth, against
[00:02:00] the majority of their own people
[00:02:03] who do not accept the Islamic Republic. This is a
[00:02:07] permanent war. That is, in fact, the mistake that in
[00:02:11] America, well, meaning a
[00:02:14] mistake in understanding, is that Americans
[00:02:17] talk about "forever wars," but in
[00:02:21] reality, yes, a comprehensive
[00:02:25] war, comprehensive, but in
[00:02:28] reality, that war is comprehensive.
[00:02:30] In fact, it is Iran that has declared war. The Islamic Republic
[00:02:33] has declared war against
[00:02:36] America. For 47 years,
[00:02:39] you imagine only two
[00:02:43] countries. But in any case, the US midterm elections showed
[00:02:46] that the American people do not like
[00:02:50] that America attacked Iran, and it was a
[00:02:53] very unpopular war. According to every poll you look at, more than
[00:02:57] 60-65% oppose this war in America.
[00:03:00] Yes, that's right.
[00:03:04] Yes, that's right. Of course, the polls that have come
[00:03:07] out now make this issue a bit more complex.
[00:03:11] That is, in fact, dissatisfaction with economic
[00:03:14] issues always has priority,
[00:03:18] and I said, I repeat the issue again.
[00:03:22] Look, the leader of a country
[00:03:25] must bear the cost that
[00:03:28] this country must endure.
[00:03:30] He must present it to the people, he must explain it,
[00:03:33] he must show this framework so that you
[00:03:37] imagine you say that you, that is, in
[00:03:41] fact, this one extra dollar at
[00:03:44] the gas pump is actually a type of insurance
[00:03:48] payment. This is insurance. Imagine
[00:03:51] that the Islamic Republic, which from America's
[00:03:55] point of view is the biggest
[00:03:56] terrorist government in the world.
[00:04:00] That is, in fact, this issue is not a slogan; it is in American
[00:04:04] law. That is, in fact, the opinion of the Islamic Republic
[00:04:07] from Tehran
[00:04:10] too. I, I just want to say this point, that is, in
[00:04:14] fact,
[00:04:17] look, in fact, the Islamic Republic, all
[00:04:21] American presidents, from
[00:04:24] Bush to Obama to Biden, all said
[00:04:28] that we will not allow the Islamic Republic to acquire
[00:04:31] nuclear weapons. But the Islamic Republic
[00:04:35] has continuously said that it has no intention of acquiring nuclear
[00:04:38] weapons. Yes, it doesn't. They officially
[00:04:41] said so.
[00:04:44] The Islamic Republic, this claim that we know from
[00:04:47] the documents that Mossad
[00:04:49] took from Iran, with
[00:04:53] all the equipment and with all
[00:04:57] those documents that were in the Tehran warehouse, showed
[00:05:00] that it was a pure lie, and the Islamic
[00:05:03] Republic still today, if
[00:05:06] indeed the Islamic Republic has no intention
[00:05:10] of developing nuclear weapons,
[00:05:14] why does it not allow all
[00:05:17] atomic agency inspectors to go everywhere? Why?
[00:05:21] Let's get back to the topic of the program, which is directly
[00:05:25] related to the US midterm elections. I mean,
[00:05:29] yes, my point is that my point is
[00:05:31] very
[00:05:33] yes, this is actually, well, my point is that this
[00:05:37] election is actually part
[00:05:40] of this.
[00:05:47] Explaining the necessity of this war. Now,
[00:05:49] I would say this was a necessary war,
[00:05:52] but then it was planned, then
[00:05:56] it was implemented, and that's why now
[00:06:00] the Islamic Republic, that is, America, is trapped.
[00:06:03] It couldn't, yes, it was implemented to such an extent that even some American publications say that
[00:06:07] America wanted to carry out regime change in Iran,
[00:06:10] but in practice, the Islamic Republic in America has carried out regime change.
[00:06:14] Mr. Mehdizadeh, now, as I said, let's go back to the topic
[00:06:18] of the elections and their results and their impact on events and
[00:06:21] developments in Iran. We know that the defeat of the Republicans in
[00:06:25] the elections has made many officials of the Islamic Republic much bolder. The statements
[00:06:28] they make are much more defiant. For example,
[00:06:32] Mojtaba Khamenei threatened America that if aggressions are repeated, war on
[00:06:36] a much wider scale, which will be trans-regional,
[00:06:40] will be carried out. Gholamhossein Mohseni Ejei, the head of the judiciary,
[00:06:43] wrote that we will definitely inflict more defeats on him, that is, Mr.
[00:06:47] Trump, that this is still from the results
[00:06:51] of dawn. And referring to the hostage-taking in
[00:06:54] 1979, he said that November 4th has always been a day of defeat
[00:06:57] for Americans. Does this mean that in
[00:07:01] fact, as I said, they have become much more defiant and determined
[00:07:04] regarding their demands from America, the officials of the Islamic
[00:07:08] Republic?
[00:07:11] One point, because in Iran, Mr. Tajbakhsh
[00:07:14] raised that they said the war was necessary. No,
[00:07:18] it was not necessary at all. International laws did not allow
[00:07:21] such a thing either. I think he has little knowledge of international
[00:07:25] laws. The International Atomic Energy Agency,
[00:07:29] in its last report that it sent, and that report actually
[00:07:33] caused the war, Mr. Grossi, who said that it was even
[00:07:36] biased, in that same report also emphasized that Iran did not
[00:07:40] move towards nuclear weapons. On the first
[00:07:43] day of the 40-day war, Mr. Chuck Schumer, as
[00:07:47] the leader of the Democratic minority in
[00:07:51] the Senate, declared that this was an election war.
[00:07:54] Mr. Trump's partner was someone whom the International
[00:07:58] Criminal Court had indicted for war
[00:08:01] crimes in Gaza, and the American people
[00:08:04] naturally rebelled. It was not just an economic issue. All these
[00:08:08] factors, plus the war crime in Minab
[00:08:11] al-Amart, the wedding ceremony
[00:08:13] in Sirik
[00:08:17] occurred. All these had global impact,
[00:08:20] provoking very strong reactions in America and around the world,
[00:08:24] causing this atrocity. Therefore, your repetition that this is a
[00:08:27] necessary war and Iran must be attacked, while 90
[00:08:31] million Iranians live in Iran, is a very
[00:08:34] crude statement.
[00:08:36] Mr. Mirizadeh, if you would
[00:08:39] answer my question, I would be grateful.
[00:08:50] Regarding the officials of the Islamic Republic, Mr. Khamenei,
[00:08:53] before these elections, in a meeting
[00:08:57] he had with military commanders, he also said,
[00:09:00] that is, Mr. Khamenei the father and Mr. Khamenei the son's
[00:09:04] positions have always been harsh towards America, and there too he said
[00:09:07] that if there is to be a war, it must
[00:09:11] be without limits.
[00:09:23] Officials of the Islamic Republic who want to challenge
[00:09:26] Trump, you also said in the early
[00:09:29] parts of the program that Trump's banner
[00:09:32] became Netanyahu's, which, of course, is a routine thing in
[00:09:36] the Islamic Republic, and
[00:09:39] that too on the eve of the US embassy, which I have always, as
[00:09:42] a journalist, declared that it was a
[00:09:46] historical tragedy for our Iranian nation,
[00:09:50] and I myself, as a journalist, have always said,
[00:09:53] "My God, I'm sorry," and I think the vast majority
[00:09:56] of the Iranian people say the same. But the fact that the rhetoric
[00:10:00] becomes harsher, the fact that it becomes harsher,
[00:10:04] this becomes very dangerous, Mr. Rajabian, because
[00:10:07] when Trump has lost and has
[00:10:10] started with bombs, not with negotiations, unlike
[00:10:14] Obama, he thinks that he must end it with bombs,
[00:10:17] and like a man who has gone up to his chest in
[00:10:21] a swamp and sees a branch in the middle, he won't turn back.
[00:10:25] He takes the risk and goes forward, although I think and
[00:10:29] I am sure that he cannot end it with bombs either, and
[00:10:32] worse, Mr. Hesami, what is your opinion
[00:10:36] about the question I asked? Do you think that after these, after these
[00:10:39] US midterm election results, will
[00:10:42] Iranian negotiators, if negotiations are underway and
[00:10:45] continue, have a longer tongue, so to speak,
[00:10:49] will they have more demands?
[00:10:52] It's interesting, look. Now, this discussion about
[00:10:56] the necessity of war or explaining war to the people is also a discussion
[00:11:00] that I disagree with, that this is the issue. But look,
[00:11:03] what was the goal of the attack and what is it? Let's not mind-read either.
[00:11:07] Let's see what the goal was. That is, what was the achievement
[00:11:11] of the 12-day war and the 38-day war?
[00:11:15] What did they want and what happened? Yes, and whatever the goal was, if this goal
[00:11:18] was, they had said many times that the goal was regime change, which they also changed
[00:11:22] later. Then they said it happened, then they said the goal was
[00:11:25] to eliminate Iran's atomic
[00:11:29] capabilities. Then they talked about missiles and ICBMs.
[00:11:32] Then they talked about what we should
[00:11:35] do about the Strait of Hormuz. The discussion of
[00:11:39] whether there will be a war or not and whether these negotiations, which are
[00:11:43] continuous, this issue, this issue has never
[00:11:47] stopped. But a narrative was presented
[00:11:50] by two countries to their own people that
[00:11:53] they have moved away from these two narratives and reached an understanding.
[00:11:57] When trust is zero, 48 years of
[00:12:01] trust is really zero. An effort was made during
[00:12:04] Rouhani and Zarif's time to make the JCPOA or this
[00:12:07] work happen. During Rafsanjani's time, it was also planned, if you remember,
[00:12:11] that one of Hashemi's plans was to normalize relations.
[00:12:15] Well, this confrontation and interaction with the Islamic Republic
[00:12:19] with America has been an issue from day one. But the
[00:12:22] possibility of war in these two months exists.
[00:12:55] The problems that have arisen, both electorally and
[00:12:58] factually in the region, and
[00:13:01] the damages that even regional countries have suffered,
[00:13:05] show America's inadequacy, that it cannot
[00:13:08] truly maintain regional security and that the superpower
[00:13:11] and hyperpower that is talked about is unable to do this.
[00:13:15] Now, this strengthens the hand of the Islamic Republic in the region, yes, but
[00:13:18] it does not mean that in
[00:13:21] fact, the main discussion, the nuclear issue
[00:13:25] of Iran, the issue of the Strait of Hormuz, and
[00:13:28] the issue of enriched uranium,
[00:13:30] that is still on the table. Now, let's
[00:13:34] think about an attack. What is the goal of the attack? Friends say a limited
[00:13:37] attack. Well, what do they want to hit? And the goal of that attack is
[00:13:41] whether some other reasonable people will come and sit at the negotiating
[00:13:45] table so that they can then... They are specifically saying that there is a high probability that they will hit
[00:13:48] the Kolaneng Gazla mountain, which is thought to have new nuclear
[00:13:51] facilities or that they are in the process of building them. So
[00:13:57] then Trump comes and says we succeeded, Iran's nuclear program
[00:14:01] is gone, now it's 20, 30, 50 years behind.
[00:14:04] Again, you have to sit at the negotiating table
[00:14:08] about whether the IAEA, about the NPT, I mean, nuclear proliferation, about the missile
[00:14:12] program and the Strait of Hormuz, to reach an agreement. Therefore,
[00:14:15] diplomacy during Netanyahu's time and during Trump's time
[00:14:19] was actually somewhat lost, and it's lost. The idea that war was necessary
[00:14:23] I don't see at all, not even from Israel's side. I don't see war as necessary.
[00:14:27] I know that for Israel, because the Islamic
[00:14:31] Republic not only says that it is increasing uranium
[00:14:35] enrichment, it also says we want the destruction of the Zionist
[00:14:38] country. These two are an issue
[00:14:41] for Israel, which becomes an imminent
[00:14:44] danger. But for America, and yes, but for
[00:14:48] America and, so to speak, Europe, well, the fact
[00:14:52] that they accept this in Europe, no, not in
[00:15:03] the Islamic Republic, they consider war a blessing. They even refer
[00:15:05] to the words of Imam Khamenei, so to speak, Ayatollah
[00:15:09] Khamenei, Khomeini, excuse me, and say that he said such a thing during
[00:15:12] the Iran-Iraq war, and in
[00:15:15] fact, some people say that the Islamic Republic thrives on
[00:15:19] crisis and its existence depends on creating crises.
[00:15:22] Some also think that perhaps this time
[00:15:26] Iranian officials look at this issue differently, because
[00:15:29] in recent wars where America and Israel attacked,
[00:15:32] leadership officials lost several layers of leadership,
[00:15:36] and if
[00:15:39] another war occurs, there is a high probability that their own lives are
[00:15:42] at risk. Consequently, they will probably avoid war.
[00:15:46] Let
[00:15:48] me elaborate on a few points regarding your question. First of
[00:15:51] all, war
[00:15:54] is a crisis that strengthens
[00:15:58] the sense of nationality in people and makes the government much
[00:16:02] stronger. This is what Netanyahu also wanted to do in Israel and
[00:16:05] gain popular support.
[00:16:37] I want to cut off $4 billion in aid to
[00:16:41] Israel. But this is the surface of the matter. In essence,
[00:16:44] this budget is being given to Israel through
[00:16:48] another channel, through the US military budget. When they approved
[00:16:51] the budget, there is an article in it that says: The Israeli
[00:16:55] army can practically be incorporated into the US army,
[00:16:58] have all military secrets, have access to
[00:17:01] the most advanced technology, have joint training,
[00:17:05] and all those military supplies.
[00:17:09] This is very dangerous for Iran, because Israel, with
[00:17:13] that direct and indirect aid and, so to speak,
[00:17:16] American technical aid, is again in danger. What the
[00:17:20] new Congress wants to do and what the people expect
[00:17:24] to be done is to
[00:17:27] change or remove this article. That is,
[00:17:31] practically, remove aid to the Israeli
[00:17:35] government for attacking Iran. You.
[00:17:56] Many of those who have recently been elected are in the left
[00:17:59] wing of the Democratic Party. That is, a wave of leftism has been created
[00:18:03] in America, which I call a kind of intellectual revolution, and they call it
[00:18:06] a political earthquake. And they are trying
[00:18:10] to purge and cleanse the right wing of
[00:18:13] the Democratic Party, to push them aside,
[00:18:16] and we hope that in two years, when the elections are held, this move
[00:18:20] to the left will continue a little longer. Therefore, a strong movement of
[00:18:24] the Democratic Party. That's right, as you said, until Biden's time, until
[00:18:27] the previous elections, they enjoyed
[00:18:30] the full support of the Israeli lobby. All
[00:18:33] their candidates were the ones who came to power. But now we see in
[00:18:37] Texas, which is strongly Republican,
[00:18:40] a teacher comes to power who says, "I am ashamed that our hands
[00:18:44] are stained with the blood of Palestinian children, and our tax money should not be spent on that." Therefore, this
[00:18:48] movement has started in the Democratic Party, and we hope that it will
[00:18:51] continue. And since we are approaching the end of the program, I wanted to
[00:18:55] hear the opinions of others on this same issue of Israel. Mr. Tajbakhsh, what is your opinion?
[00:18:59] I would like to make a point, please allow me, because I participated
[00:19:03] in the program, and Mr. Tajbakhsh spoke
[00:19:06] in such a way that it seemed he was Mr. Trump's
[00:19:10] defense lawyer, in a situation where Trump's own
[00:19:14] vice president is saying this war was a mistake, it led to this.
[00:19:17] We made these statements because, as I said, time is very short. Please,
[00:19:20] let's put personal attacks and such aside. On the
[00:19:23] topic, this is about your program. Exactly, this BBC
[00:19:27] Persian program is for the people of Iran. It should be in the direction
[00:19:30] of supporting the interests of the people of Iran. Well, maybe he thinks that in the
[00:19:34] way he thinks, the interests of the Iranian people can be served.
[00:21:20] but against Netanyahu's policies. Here,
[00:21:24] I see that the same thing that happened to America after September 11th
[00:21:28] has also happened to Netanyahu and Israel.
[00:21:31] After September 11th, people around the
[00:21:34] world were sympathetic and supportive of
[00:21:37] America, but after Abu Ghraib prison, after
[00:21:40] Guantanamo and torture, public
[00:21:43] opinion turned. Now, Mr. Netanyahu is also accused
[00:21:47] of crimes against humanity and war crimes.
[00:21:50] Therefore, part of the Democratic
[00:21:53] Party, part of the Republican Party, are against
[00:21:57] Netanyahu's policies. I don't see a contradiction.
[00:22:00] Thank you very much. With thanks to Aram Hesami,
[00:22:03] Sahel Vahdati, Banaa, Kian
[00:22:07] Tajbakhsh, and Hamidreza Mehdizadeh, we have reached the end of
[00:22:10] the coverage of the US elections on BBC Persian. Thank you for joining
[00:22:14] us. I hope to see you on Tuesday. Until then, have a good
[00:22:18] time.
[00:24:22] water and the sufferings of Iranians. When
[00:24:26] the Tehran metro hits the Qanat Mehrieh, and
[00:24:29] Topkhane is destroyed, we have disrupted
[00:24:32] the physical
[00:24:33] environment.
[00:24:36] Other cities are like us. They are also
[00:24:40] unemployed. Hamouns have suffered the same
[00:24:43] fate as our other wetlands. The water is salty now
[00:24:46] because of water shortage, the water became salty.
[00:24:59] Karun is an oppressed, grieving mother who has benefited
[00:25:03] one Iran, but one Iran has forgotten her.
[00:25:06] Isn't it a pity that beauty is being
[00:25:08] lost?
[00:25:15] Water Season with Kaveh Madani on
[00:25:18] Aparat.
[00:25:24] Lately, there has been a lot of talk in Iran about Starlink again. Some people are talking about
[00:25:28] the possibility of mobile phones connecting to Starlink satellite internet, especially
[00:25:31] in the southern regions of Iran. Government officials have also made
[00:25:35] contradictory statements about cutting off Starlink
[00:25:38] for users in Iran. So what's going on? Some Iranian
[00:25:42] users on social media have written that some people in the southern
[00:25:46] and southeastern regions of Iran have seen the option to connect to satellite
[00:25:50] internet on their phones. So much so that some media outlets have also
[00:25:54] reported this. According to local sources, in
[00:25:57] parts of Iran, especially border cities, on mobile
[00:26:00] phones, the Starlink satellite internet option
[00:26:04] has been activated. Although the connection is not
[00:26:07] established, is it really new news? We have said before here in Click
[00:26:11] that although this technology of direct communication with satellites is very
[00:26:15] exciting, especially for those whose internet sharing is constantly being blocked,
[00:26:18] we are still at the beginning of this technology, and it has many
[00:26:22] limitations. The number of users that it can currently cover
[00:26:25] may be much, much more limited than Starlink. It is
[00:26:29] possible that a very limited number of people may gain
[00:26:33] access to this technology, but again, the key point is that we should not
[00:26:36] have the idea that from tomorrow, everyone in Iran will be able to
[00:26:40] directly connect to the internet through their phones. If this technology comes, the important
[00:26:44] point is that again, people should not fall victim to these
[00:26:47] scams. That is, suddenly, messages appear in these Telegram groups saying
[00:26:51] that if you install such and such an application on your phone, you can immediately connect directly to
[00:26:55] satellite internet and have very good bandwidth. Many people
[00:26:59] unfortunately may fall for such messages,
[00:27:02] install the application, and then either their wallet will be emptied, or
[00:27:06] their bank accounts will actually be
[00:27:09] misused and they will be harmed. And this is a very important point that our
[00:27:13] dear compatriots should pay attention to. Now, these are perhaps
[00:27:16] rumors, or perhaps it is better to say dreams for now, about
[00:27:19] phone connection to satellite internet in Iran. But what do government officials
[00:27:23] say? The Deputy Minister of Communications said in a meeting that with
[00:27:26] Starlink, the government's hand in governing cyberspace,
[00:27:29] including this nationwide internet filtering, will be
[00:27:33] closed, and our governance over cyberspace
[00:27:37] will no longer be based on our network, it will be based on Starlink.
[00:27:40] Those who care say that this phenomenon is the last nail
[00:27:44] in the coffin of the Islamic Republic's governance; there will be nothing
[00:27:47] left after it. Then the Secretary of the Supreme Council of Cyberspace replied that
[00:27:51] no, we managed to disable Starlink terminals in Iran. Iran
[00:27:55] was practically
[00:27:57] the first country that was able to completely
[00:28:01] disable all Starlink terminals
[00:28:05] and we forced
[00:28:07] one of them. But what really
[00:28:11] happened? It is estimated that at least 50,000 Starlink terminals are
[00:28:15] in Iran. There is no evidence that the Iranian government has been able to disable a
[00:28:18] significant number of them, but there are reports of surveillance
[00:28:22] for owners of these devices and the arrest of some of these
[00:28:26] individuals. But regarding them, experts said that they probably did not follow security
[00:28:29] tips well. The government has also made many efforts to actually disconnect
[00:28:33] this, but it has not been successful.
[00:28:37] Now, they have tried to do this by disrupting GPS signals
[00:28:41] and similar actions. To some extent, they have actually been able to create disruptions, but they have never
[00:28:45] successfully been able to prevent these Starlink terminals
[00:28:49] from working due to their special technology, which can provide
[00:28:52] a bandwidth of about 100 to over a hundred
[00:28:55] megabits per second to users inside
[00:28:58] Iran, and those dear ones who have access to this technology should
[00:29:02] consider the points so that, God forbid, no problem
[00:29:05] arises for them. What, for example? To ensure the anonymity of your
[00:29:09] address when using Starlink, because this device is smuggled and
[00:29:12] illegal, it is important to obtain it from trusted sources.
[00:29:16] Turn off the Starlink terminal when you don't need it.
[00:29:20] Never, ever use Starlink internet to access apps and websites inside Iran
[00:29:23] because they can detect that you are using Starlink internet
[00:29:27] and track you. Do not use the device's own Wi-Fi.
[00:29:30] Connect a regular router
[00:29:32] to Starlink with a cable and get your Wi-Fi from that. But
[00:29:36] apart from these police actions, the Iranian government, ever since
[00:29:39] Starlink began to expand three years ago, has been
[00:29:43] trying in international forums to restrict Starlink
[00:29:46] satellite internet in Iran, including by complaining to the International
[00:29:50] Telecommunication Union, after which the board of directors of the international
[00:29:53] body asked Starlink to disable unauthorized terminals in
[00:29:57] Iran. Recently, the Iranian government has also protested to Norway why
[00:30:01] this request has not been implemented. Now, why Norway? Because
[00:30:04] Starlink has officially registered part of its telecommunication
[00:30:08] infrastructure through Norway and the rest through the US, which recently
[00:30:12] had a 40-day war with Iran, and currently tensions between Iran and the US
[00:30:15] are high. Of course, civil groups and internet freedom activists
[00:30:19] have protested this decision of the International Telecommunication Union and said
[00:30:23] that only governments should not have the right to comment on this. It
[00:30:26] seems that the story of Iranians with Starlink will continue for a long time.
[00:30:30] And
[00:30:37] now on BBC Persian TV, lifestyle.