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[00:04:56] hello, the sphere of procurement is a billion-dollar turnover,
[00:05:00] and high corruption risks, at the same time
[00:05:03] an instrument for developing competition and increasing the efficiency
[00:05:07] of the national economy, more than 80% of positions in
[00:05:11] public procurement are of domestic production, how to correctly
[00:05:15] determine the supplier and get a fair price,
[00:05:18] through what digitalization simplifies procedures,
[00:05:22] why purchases at the expense of own funds also require
[00:05:25] transparency, who controls this sphere,
[00:05:28] we will discuss with experts right
[00:05:30] now.
[00:05:39] Today in our studio are experts who are well versed in
[00:05:43] procurement issues, Maxim Alishkevich, Deputy
[00:05:46] Chairman of the State Control Committee, Natalia
[00:05:50] Vasilevskaya, First Deputy Minister of Antimonopoly Regulation
[00:05:54] and Trade, Natalia Tyshkevich, Deputy
[00:05:57] Director of the National Center for Export Support.
[00:06:00] Dear guests, we are glad to see you in the studio of the Economic Environment,
[00:06:04] today we are discussing procurement and public procurement, procurement at
[00:06:08] the expense of our own funds, but first let's figure it out.
[00:07:12] significant for business, I can plan what to
[00:07:15] produce, how to expand my production, how much, how much
[00:07:18] to increase the number of employees, if I know that my product will be in demand on
[00:07:22] the market, the customer, in turn, satisfies his needs by
[00:07:25] purchasing that particular product, hmm, but do I understand correctly,
[00:07:29] Maxim Nikolaevich, that in essence the state controls
[00:07:32] this sphere, yes certain rules have been established that
[00:07:35] are aimed at creating equal conditions,
[00:07:39] transparency and... well developing competition, broadly
[00:07:43] speaking, that's right, I wanted to add to my colleague
[00:07:46] that today the law establishes such
[00:07:49] requirements that allow
[00:07:52] for competitive procurement procedures, allow, with
[00:07:56] compliance with the established requirements, to ensure the effectiveness of these
[00:08:00] procurements and the saving of public funds, and from the practice of
[00:08:03] control activities we see that there are no serious difficulties in
[00:08:07] complying with the requirements established absolutely at enterprises.
[00:08:10] I will add that if we talk about the State Control Committee, then
[00:08:13] we have recently prioritized the following for ourselves: that it is not
[00:08:17] the so-called subsequent control, when we come and look at this procurement, find
[00:08:20] violations, punish the guilty, of course, it should be there where it is needed, yes,
[00:08:24] but we have shifted towards preventive
[00:08:28] control, that is, at the stage of planning procurements, at the stage
[00:08:31] of announcing this procurement, we look at how justified it is, how
[00:08:34] correctly the maximum cost of a particular procurement is determined,
[00:08:37] how necessary this procurement is for
[00:08:41] a particular enterprise, because we sometimes encounter the fact that, unfortunately,
[00:08:45] they buy furniture, yes, and we begin to
[00:08:49] understand, and roughly speaking, the old furniture can
[00:08:52] still serve, and there is absolutely no need for this procurement, well, do I understand correctly
[00:08:55] that, in essence, this system that has been built in our
[00:08:59] country is balanced, that is, it takes into account
[00:09:03] both the interests of manufacturers
[00:09:07] and the interests of
[00:09:10] buyers, yes, acquirers of goods and services.
[00:09:42] this balance was achieved, because indeed, the interests
[00:09:46] of business within procurement and the interests of the state, well, sometimes
[00:09:49] one can say are diametrically opposed to each other,
[00:09:53] now this balance is present, and we, as operators
[00:09:56] of information systems,
[00:09:59] so to speak, are trying to implement the functionality in such
[00:10:03] a way that this balance of interests at
[00:10:06] the functional level is achieved, so that it is easy
[00:10:09] for customers to use the systems and...
[00:10:12] participants in procurement procedures and government bodies and
[00:10:15] controlling ones as well. Uh-huh. It should be noted that
[00:10:19] billion-dollar turnovers in procurement, this is, of course,
[00:10:22] high risks. And one of the acute problems.
[00:10:25] Unjustified intermediation, which inflates prices and
[00:10:28] destroys competition. On the need to eradicate such
[00:10:32] manifestations, our president focused attention.
[00:10:35] Attention to the screen. Do you think that
[00:10:39] costs will increase if for the supply of raw materials,
[00:10:43] equipment and other things,
[00:10:46] we overpay two or three
[00:10:49] times, due to
[00:10:51] intermediaries and other of your friends.
[00:12:25] Well, the issue of combating unjustified
[00:12:27] intermediation is an issue that has been at the forefront for more than a day
[00:12:31] and not for the first year. This issue is very actively
[00:12:34] dealt with by the Ministry of Antimonopoly
[00:12:37] Regulation, our controlling bodies, and not only, at
[00:12:41] the government level, a plan of measures has been developed to eliminate
[00:12:45] unjustified intermediation in procurement. At
[00:12:48] the same time, it is probably almost
[00:12:52] impossible to draw such a clear line, sometimes. even
[00:12:55] reproaching our manufacturers for why they don't go
[00:12:58] directly into procurement, we understand that somewhere
[00:13:02] logistical issues, somewhere issues of product
[00:13:05] safety, sometimes it is more justified
[00:13:08] for some intermediary to participate, and
[00:13:11] at the same time, what can I say, of course, the head of state is a thousand
[00:13:14] times right when he says that we have not yet eradicated
[00:13:18] this unjustified intermediation, the action plan
[00:13:22] I am talking about, it is approved by the government, it...
[00:14:55] specific criteria are not specified, what is justified and what is not justified,
[00:14:58] because, as you said, everything is very
[00:15:02] subtle and it is necessary to take into account specific production situations
[00:15:05] in different industries, at different enterprises, they can be
[00:15:09] different, that is, in essence, this category is left to the discretion
[00:15:13] of, well, whom? I would say that first of all, it is
[00:15:16] left to the discretion of the customer, who,
[00:15:19] when purchasing goods from an intermediary, should ask himself a thousand times
[00:15:23] how truly.
[00:15:26] Maxim Nikolaevich, please tell me, what
[00:15:28] abuses in procurement does the State Control Committee
[00:15:32] most often encounter, what areas require such
[00:15:36] increased attention? and how is this system
[00:15:39] of identifying and suppressing such
[00:15:42] violations built? I would like to note about
[00:15:46] that block, so to speak, of violations that we see
[00:15:49] in the mass of procurements, this is primarily
[00:15:52] the incorrect definition of requirements for the procurement itself,
[00:15:55] unfortunately, this occurs quite often, when, for example,
[00:15:59] an industrial enterprise purchases
[00:16:02] loaders, when we began to monitor remotely,
[00:16:04] we saw. the requirements for a certain type of engine,
[00:16:08] which, in fact, if this procurement had taken place, would have meant
[00:16:12] an imported engine, and accordingly an imported loader, so
[00:16:16] this procurement, at our persistent recommendation, was
[00:16:19] canceled, and accordingly, now it will be carried out
[00:16:22] again, and accordingly it will allow our domestic manufacturer to participate
[00:16:26] in this procurement, this is from the current
[00:16:28] procurement, if we already have established facts, I will give a specific example,
[00:16:32] when an enterprise purchased
[00:16:35] cargo... equipment, the requirements included
[00:16:38] the arrangement of engine cylinders, that is, what difference does it make
[00:16:42] how they are arranged, V-shaped, longitudinally, that is, these were the requirements,
[00:16:46] which again did not even imply the participation of our domestic manufacturer, that is,
[00:16:49] they discriminated against our manufacturers, and I would like to
[00:16:52] say that these requirements do not immediately indicate that someone
[00:16:56] has some interest, absolutely
[00:16:59] not, it simply happens somewhere out of a lack of understanding of the situation, somewhere
[00:17:02] they peeked, took an old procurement as a template and applied it.
[00:17:06] So, this particular procurement has already been canceled, a new one has already
[00:17:10] been carried out and a contract has been concluded with our domestic manufacturer, this contract is already
[00:17:14] in the process of being concluded, and the cost of the procurement turned out to be, well,
[00:17:17] not much, 6% cheaper than expected, but nevertheless it is a domestic manufacturer and
[00:17:20] cheaper, that is, this is the requirement for the subject of procurement, so,
[00:17:23] do I understand correctly that by such an example we can assert that
[00:17:27] the State Control Committee, within its competence, solves
[00:17:31] state tasks for import substitution.
[00:17:34] It suppresses such schemes
[00:17:37] when our manufacturers are discriminated against, absolutely true, to the
[00:17:41] extent that we have enough strength and opportunities, we do this without fail,
[00:17:45] remote monitoring of procurements is unequivocally our priority task,
[00:17:49] all employees are oriented to this, that is, there is an area that we
[00:17:52] pay special attention to, at present, I
[00:17:55] would highlight the procurement of vehicles, this is
[00:17:59] such an area, well, it is clear the desire of any enterprise
[00:18:02] manager to have a decent motor transport enterprise,
[00:18:05] it is
[00:18:37] services from
[00:18:40] third-party organizations, here is one of the latest examples, they conduct
[00:18:44] procurement using their own funds, well, we also consider that in essence these are public procurements, these are
[00:18:48] funds from a state enterprise, so, they conduct
[00:18:51] procurement, the service costs 450,000 rubles, this is
[00:18:54] a construction equipment service on the site, we start to
[00:18:57] delve into it and realize that buying this
[00:19:00] equipment ourselves, incurring labor costs,
[00:19:04] for the machine operator and so on, would be less than half.
[00:20:50] it essentially administers the largest information systems
[00:20:53] and electronic trading platforms, so
[00:20:56] please tell me, how is this digital ecosystem developing today, I know
[00:21:00] that you are constantly implementing new things, are you? How
[00:21:04] does this system ensure equal access
[00:21:08] and transparent conditions for all participants in
[00:21:10] procurement? Of course, equal access and
[00:21:14] transparent conditions for all
[00:21:17] participants are primarily ensured by normative...
[00:22:50] automated, so to speak, to conduct
[00:22:53] the work of customers, to facilitate
[00:22:56] the procedure for participation of enterprises,
[00:22:59] well, but each platform develops this separately,
[00:23:03] here each has its own tricks
[00:23:06] and developments, well, but of course, we are moving along the path
[00:23:10] of digitalization and automation of processes, but since we
[00:23:13] started talking about these issues, yes, but agree, there is
[00:23:17] such a widespread opinion that the system
[00:25:20] But what if the business entity needs this service in 2 weeks?
[00:25:24] How can they, how can they be? Well, you shouldn't
[00:25:27] allow any complaints or appeals, then
[00:25:30] the procedure will go more smoothly, maybe I'll add, that is, what we see in practice,
[00:25:34] all this comes down to proper planning of these
[00:25:36] procurements, there are plans, not just for public procurement, but also for
[00:25:40] enterprises to draw up plans using their own funds, that is, when we come to an enterprise, we
[00:25:43] see that, in principle, an enterprise, it happens
[00:25:47] that something arises.
[00:26:32] said, you know, it's very long, but that's him talking to himself,
[00:26:36] roughly speaking, if a person says that, then we need to figure out why you think those deadlines we have in the law are
[00:26:40] long, I also wanted to add, that
[00:26:42] there might be some rough edges
[00:26:46] in the implementation of the legislation, as everywhere,
[00:26:49] but specific cases, and based on these specific cases,
[00:26:53] the legislation is then changed somewhere, we participated in
[00:26:56] the process directly together with the ministry and
[00:27:00] regulation, so.
[00:28:32] cancelled such a purchase, in one of our institutions,
[00:28:35] the repair of the assembly hall was underway, a large assembly
[00:28:39] hall, stage equipment was purchased,
[00:28:43] for this assembly hall, everything seemed normal, this equipment was
[00:28:46] needed, it amounted to several hundred thousand rubles, when
[00:28:50] we started to delve into what kind of equipment it was, it turned
[00:28:53] out that its characteristics allowed, roughly speaking, to hold concerts, and for this assembly
[00:28:57] hall, such a technical level was absolutely not needed,
[00:29:01] accordingly, this purchase was canceled and
[00:29:04] simpler equipment was purchased, which absolutely
[00:29:07] met the requirements, another example of
[00:29:10] how purchases are planned, what we discussed with colleagues, that much depends on
[00:29:14] planning, at one of the industrial enterprises, a
[00:29:17] steam boiler was purchased, it cost half a million rubles, so, a purchase
[00:29:21] is a purchase, but fortunately we had
[00:29:25] the will to look, and what was this boiler for and
[00:29:28] where will it be installed, we went to the site, so, it will be here...
[00:30:32] 10 monitoring sessions and prevented the expenditure
[00:30:35] of budget funds amounting to 125 million rubles.
[00:30:38] Let's take a short commercial break, after which we will find out what innovations in
[00:30:42] the field of procurement at the expense of own funds should be taken into account, don't switch channels.
[00:30:59] This is the economic environment, we continue to understand
[00:31:02] procurement issues, Natalya Valerievna, we promised our
[00:31:06] viewers, we know that in July, amendments to
[00:31:10] legislation came into force regarding procurement at the expense of own funds, please
[00:31:14] tell me, in...
[00:31:54] we took all the best from previous acts as a basis and made a unified procedure for conducting procurements at the expense of own funds for
[00:31:58] organizations of republican, local level, extended
[00:32:02] the effect of this resolution to enterprises included in the composition of
[00:32:05] holdings with a state share, well, and for
[00:32:08] legal entities that carry out procurements at the expense of operator
[00:32:12] funds, and it was not without...
[00:32:15] innovations, and one of the innovations,
[00:32:18] which was very difficult
[00:32:21] for business organizations to accept,
[00:32:23] was the reduction of the threshold value,
[00:32:26] and procurement procedures up to one thousand
[00:32:29] basic units, carried out at the expense of own funds, they fell
[00:32:32] completely outside the scope of procurement, that is, this is a fairly large
[00:32:36] layer of those procedures that were generally
[00:32:39] uncontrolled, reducing the threshold value to...
[00:32:43] Let's
[00:34:15] see, analyze, and draw a conclusion on how correct this
[00:34:19] decision was. Perhaps, a second innovation
[00:34:22] is similar in
[00:34:26] its algorithm of actions to the requirements
[00:34:29] for participants in procedures. They are somewhat tightened. Once upon a time,
[00:34:33] we also started with public procurement with affiliated persons.
[00:34:37] This norm was also quite unclear for business
[00:34:40] entities, and it was applied cautiously. Today we have
[00:34:42] extended this norm to...
[00:35:15] if today an enterprise wanted to
[00:35:17] provide,
[00:35:19] buys services, or buys equipment
[00:35:23] for rent, then first of all, this equipment must
[00:35:27] be included in our resolution number 80,
[00:35:30] it corresponds to the localization of production within the Republic
[00:35:33] of Belarus, and if there is no such equipment,
[00:35:37] this equipment is not sufficiently localized, then
[00:35:40] yes, you can safely
[00:35:42] purchase these services from...
[00:36:15] therefore, the innovation is also currently
[00:36:18] perceived ambiguously,
[00:36:21] but I think that this is definitely a very correct and true
[00:36:25] step. The legislation also regulates
[00:36:28] that purchases at the expense of own funds include
[00:36:31] transport rental, including
[00:36:34] financial leasing. The resolution provides for the transfer to
[00:36:37] electronic procurement procedures of all our competitive
[00:36:41] procedures, this, in my opinion, is the most important step towards
[00:36:44] transparency, towards efficiency,
[00:36:48] towards moving away from corrupt components, let's continue our
[00:36:51] discussion, Maxim Nikolaevich, let's make it a little sharper, yes, we're talking
[00:36:54] so carefully about checks. We're
[00:36:58] preventing proactively and so on, but surely there are
[00:37:02] those who deliberately break the law for personal
[00:37:05] enrichment, I mean those who lobby the interests of specific
[00:37:09] suppliers for remuneration and so on,
[00:37:12] can you give some high-profile
[00:37:15] examples? In the mass of procurements that we
[00:37:18] monitor, this is not a mass phenomenon, I will say right away that
[00:37:21] these are still isolated individuals and figures. Well, from the recent ones,
[00:37:25] a large industrial enterprise, yes. Procurement of a transformer
[00:37:29] substation. 1.2 million. Naturally,
[00:37:32] this procurement attracted attention, because transformers are generally made in our country,
[00:37:36] and such products can be manufactured entirely turnkey.
[00:37:40] So, what did the verification measures show when we dug deeper?
[00:37:43] That the market value of this product,
[00:37:46] so to speak, is almost half,
[00:37:50] 1.7 million. So,
[00:37:52] naturally, they became interested further, and as a result, one of the deputies
[00:37:56] of the head.
[00:38:04] That is, we perfectly understand that this bribe was included in the price of this product, which would have been
[00:38:07] paid by the state, so to speak, by a state enterprise, and then
[00:38:11] an extra profit for a dishonest businessman,
[00:38:14] so, here is one of
[00:38:17] the recent examples, we also had an example with agricultural machinery, why
[00:38:21] this procurement attracted attention, because we saw a sufficiently large volume
[00:38:25] of agricultural machinery, and expensive imported machinery. Well, we started to figure out
[00:38:28] why we have enough manufacturers, unfortunately, it turned
[00:38:31] out that the supplier of this
[00:38:35] imported equipment was, let's say, a relative of the enterprise
[00:38:38] head, affiliated persons, accordingly, everything fell into place,
[00:38:42] it turned out that bribes were involved here, accordingly,
[00:38:45] the guilty parties were also detained, now this damage
[00:38:48] caused to the enterprise is being compensated. Natalya Viktorovna, can we count on
[00:38:52] a slight insight from you, right? We have already talked a lot about how we are all
[00:38:55] focused on transparency, we all, yes...
[00:40:57] But today our opponents very often use
[00:41:01] these bidding results, what we see on the platforms and so on,
[00:41:04] they use it for primitive speculation,
[00:41:08] this is what concerns the so-called fugitives, and behind them we understand, probably there
[00:41:12] are special services with their analytical departments and so
[00:41:16] on and so forth, what conclusions can be drawn from this, the question
[00:41:20] is rhetorical, please tell me, has the
[00:41:22] need arisen today, well, dosed.
[00:41:25] This is for those who are ready
[00:42:10] to develop production, ready to understand or would like
[00:42:13] to understand where to direct their attention, where to invest money to
[00:42:17] develop a business, so no, I am for transparency, Maxim
[00:42:20] Nikolaevich, and what do you think? I believe that the
[00:42:24] transparency that exists today absolutely does not harm our state, and
[00:42:28] those attacks from these unfriendly countries, we should not react to them at all.
[00:42:32] And what do you think, Natalya Viktorovna? Well, I agree here
[00:42:35] with... with my colleagues, because the effect of closing
[00:42:39] information about procedures will be much more negative. Dear
[00:42:43] experts, social
[00:42:46] networks are full of dubious business advice about
[00:42:49] how to participate in tenders and organize
[00:42:53] procurements, we have collected the most persistent of these stereotypes
[00:42:56] and ask you to evaluate them in blitz mode,
[00:43:00] briefly, is it true or a myth, I will ask you questions, and you
[00:43:03] please answer, true or myth. Maxim Nikolaevich,
[00:43:06] procurements from one of... with resolution 168, but then he has freedom of action, he has freedom, but not to the extent
[00:45:14] of choosing whoever he wants and how he wants, it is accepted. Natalia
[00:45:18] Viktorovna, participation in procurements is a prospect only for large
[00:45:21] players, for small businesses, the costs of the process
[00:45:24] exceed the benefits, true or a myth? Well, that's certainly a myth, because
[00:45:28] these costs are proportionate to the benefits that
[00:45:32] the supplier will receive when participating, and those
[00:45:35] funds that are spent.
[00:45:38] средства, которые затрачивает.