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[00:03:41] showed such art, then nothing good would come of it.
[00:03:44] That's just how it happened that Tchaikovsky's famous Swan Lake became a symbol of upheaval
[00:04:13] in the last years of the Soviet Union, and later a geopolitical
[00:04:16] catastrophe. But several
[00:04:20] decades later, in the summer of 2026, this
[00:04:23] legendary ballet was destined to become yet another symbol
[00:04:26] of monstrous and cynical Russophobia among our
[00:04:29] Baltic neighbors. The Minister, if I may
[00:04:32] say so, of Lithuanian Culture, Mr.
[00:04:34] Alsis, in his couple of weeks in this position, stated,
[00:04:37] Quote: Tchaikovsky has no place on the
[00:04:40] stage of the Lithuanian theater. In this sense, the new broom in the Lithuanian government
[00:04:43] sweeps in the old way, so to speak, in the spirit of the entire
[00:04:46] Baltic Russophobic tradition, and there
[00:04:50] are democratic taboos everywhere.
[00:04:53] Raimonds Pauls' music is banned in Latvia, while in Estonia
[00:04:57] a threat to national security was seen not only in
[00:05:00] Russian voiceovers of films, now this is unacceptable,
[00:05:04] but in Russian-language prescriptions for
[00:05:07] medicines. Such instructions were removed from
[00:05:10] the Estonian register of medical preparations. Indignant
[00:05:13] patients are advised to use an
[00:05:17] online translator. What is this, if not another
[00:05:20] low point? We will discuss here and now the most diverse opinions.
[00:05:23] Next to me in this studio is:
[00:05:27] Mikhail Oksenyuk, member of parliament, representative of the National Assembly of Belarus,
[00:05:30] hello, good, Andrey Starikov, editor-in-chief
[00:05:33] of the Baltnews information agency. the nineties,
[00:05:37] when even a simple ticket for public transport
[00:05:40] for 5 kopecks, when
[00:07:12] a Russian-speaking person asks a Latvian, for example, or
[00:07:16] a Latvian woman, they would say "Russian pig,
[00:07:19] even a ticket is too good for you." I heard such situations, I
[00:07:22] remember, well, the
[00:07:26] roots, the roots are actually, I think,
[00:07:29] from the very creation,
[00:07:32] from the very creation of the
[00:07:35] state of Latvia, Lithuania,
[00:07:38] if we go so far back in history,
[00:07:41] then when Latvia actually got its true Latvian
[00:07:45] statehood, exactly in
[00:07:48] 1918, this was the first mention of an independent
[00:07:51] Latvian state. The Soviet Socialist
[00:07:55] Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic, well, then they united,
[00:07:58] disunited, it wasn't destined to last long for them - in Russian -
[00:08:02] it's 57%. That is, Riga is a dominant Russian
[00:08:05] city. The problem is that only so-called ethnic
[00:08:09] Latvians are allowed to come to power, who, as a result,
[00:09:12] form this foreign policy. And your personal, your colleagues',
[00:09:15] perception of Latvia as a whole. And of course, in our country
[00:09:18] there are some 10% of people who, succumbing to this
[00:09:22] policy, broadcast it to people on the streets and through insults,
[00:09:25] and through all sorts of unpleasant statements. I'll also leave you
[00:09:28] this as a gift, we have comments like... can I say the word "vomit,"
[00:09:32] well, on the internet, Russians are called "occupant's vomit,"
[00:09:36] and this is considered the norm today, when
[00:09:39] a person with a Latvian name and a Latvian surname leaves such comments
[00:09:42] on the internet, they won't be prosecuted for it, so I'll tell you this, that
[00:09:46] today the external, let's say, temperature towards our
[00:09:49] country, it is formed by a handful of politicians, but not
[00:09:53] by people, well, I didn't accidentally, maybe even
[00:09:57] partially provocatively, start with this example, because... you are absolutely
[00:10:01] right, that it is precisely
[00:10:04] the Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian
[00:10:08] government and the Baltic
[00:10:11] people, it's like... they say in a famous city
[00:10:15] two big differences, Andrey Dmitrievich, you work, like us, with
[00:10:18] information, you know very well that this is a tool, that this is a peculiar
[00:10:21] weapon, and you
[00:10:25] undoubtedly encounter a huge
[00:10:28] amount of very different information
[00:10:32] about the Baltics, what surprises you the most, I understand that it's difficult
[00:10:36] to surprise a journalist with anything, what surprises you
[00:10:39] the most in the current
[00:10:42] positioning of these, well, let's say, essentially
[00:10:46] nationalistic sentiments
[00:10:49] of those who are in charge, nothing has surprised me for a long time,
[00:10:53] but the fish rots from
[00:10:56] the head, regarding this Russophobia,
[00:10:59] whether it is everyday or political, it is a kind of
[00:11:01] symbiosis, because politicians,
[00:11:04] those who seized power in the early
[00:11:07] nineties, they set the norm, they set the
[00:11:10] standard. They show that it is possible, that it is normal,
[00:11:13] that it is promising for career
[00:11:16] growth, for personal enrichment.
[00:11:19] Residents of Latvia remember when it was said in the Latvian parliament,
[00:11:22] in the Saeima, Russians, we don't
[00:11:26] need you to know our language, we need you to know
[00:11:30] your place, and this is, in general,
[00:11:32] a roadmap, it is a guide to action, it is
[00:11:36] goal setting, and those stories with which you began,
[00:11:39] they... are precisely about creating
[00:11:43] maximally unfriendly,
[00:11:46] uncomfortable, hellish conditions so that Russians
[00:11:50] leave, "suitcase, train station, Russia," they said all 25, already 30 years,
[00:11:54] starting from the singing revolution of 1988,
[00:11:56] when those who fled after
[00:11:59] the war came to Latvia, still Soviet Estonia,
[00:12:02] Lithuania. This is the first wave
[00:12:06] of migration, these are the descendants of Nazis, these are
[00:12:09] collaborators, these are... and Poland is also trying
[00:12:13] to quickly comply with Brussels' demands
[00:12:17] regarding increasing the share of
[00:12:19] defense, well, or let's be frank, military spending to
[00:12:22] 5% of GDP in the name of fighting
[00:12:55] that very threat from the east.
[00:12:58] You see, I have repeatedly stated that
[00:13:02] Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia are not sovereign
[00:13:05] states, they operate under
[00:13:08] the guidance and directives of Brussels, mostly our
[00:13:12] politicians obviously do not have
[00:13:13] their own opinion,
[00:13:19] and as you already mentioned in the program, that the people and
[00:13:22] the government are completely different
[00:13:25] things, certain decrees,
[00:13:28] of course, stem from the fact that
[00:13:31] if you don't create an enemy, then you won't
[00:13:35] confirm and explain to the people. of Belarus, books, newspapers, video games, and even
[00:13:38] children's toys. How do Soviet dolls or board games threaten the country's
[00:13:41] security, the deputies did not explain. A little earlier, the Minister of Culture of Latvia ordered the removal of
[00:13:45] the Russian language from all institutions of his department by July 30,
[00:13:48] including the posters of the Riga Chekhov Theater.
[00:13:52] The theater can continue to create performances in Russian,
[00:14:55] preserving its artistic originality and enriching
[00:14:59] the cultural space of Latvia. Art should not
[00:15:02] lose its diversity, however, public communication
[00:15:06] of state institutions performs a different
[00:15:09] function. The educational sphere has also undergone total de-Russification.
[00:15:13] In Estonia, since last academic year, all kindergartens and primary schools have switched
[00:15:16] to Estonian. In one of the colleges, after the ban on teaching in Russian,
[00:15:19] they could not recruit half of the students. Free vocational education is now
[00:15:23] only available in the state language. In Lithuania, the Russian language,
[00:15:26] formally protected by the constitution, has become an irritant. In a year,
[00:15:29] the Language Inspectorate received 50 complaints about its use in public
[00:15:33] places in Vilnius. The Minister of Education announced the abandonment of Russian schools,
[00:15:37] only educational institutions for national minorities in EU languages will remain.
[00:15:41] This transition is possible as early as September of this year. In Latvia,
[00:15:45] since January, Russian has been excluded from the school curriculum and is not
[00:15:49] offered as a second foreign language, while linguistic discrimination is observed
[00:15:52] not only in schools. The Latvian Parliament also approved the closure of public
[00:15:56] media broadcasting in Russian. Calls are being made to deprive private Russian-language
[00:15:59] radio stations of FM frequencies. The Russian language is no longer
[00:16:03] available in Latvian ATMs, banks themselves are prohibited from officially
[00:16:07] serving customers in Russian. Mikhail
[00:16:10] Petrovich, nationalism,
[00:16:14] fascism, it's not necessarily a story about swastikas,
[00:16:17] it's not necessarily a story about
[00:16:21] military uniform. By the way, perhaps it's appropriate
[00:16:24] to recall here that some currently
[00:16:28] popular clothing brands that
[00:16:31] position themselves as heavy luxury, actually served,
[00:16:35] clothed Nazis
[00:16:38] on the eve of World War II, but then they had
[00:16:40] to carefully hide it. So, getting back to the question
[00:16:44] of real fascism, real nationalism,
[00:16:47] this is what we are talking about, what we saw in the story,
[00:16:51] does it fit this definition in its
[00:16:54] essence? Absolutely, of course, it fits
[00:16:57] this definition, and we understand
[00:17:01] nationalism, even radical nationalism, this is
[00:17:05] a vivid example of what is happening today in these countries,
[00:17:08] what we are talking about, we need to understand that
[00:17:11] our neighbors wanted to harm us in the economic sphere,
[00:17:15] it turned out, they shot themselves in the foot, nothing worked out,
[00:17:19] they ruined their economy, their railways, ports, those
[00:17:23] which, by the way,
[00:17:26] you used not quite ethereal words,
[00:17:29] I will also recall from personal experience, I was on a business trip
[00:17:33] for many years in Riga, I lived in a hotel, unfortunately, on the
[00:17:35] first floor, and the
[00:18:37] first floor is always with
[00:18:40] an open window, conversations are audible, and you know,
[00:18:43] maybe this is not indicative, please correct me,
[00:18:47] the story, but
[00:18:50] local teenagers, I don't know... young
[00:18:53] people, drinking light
[00:18:57] alcohol, discussed something
[00:19:00] there in Latvian, partly English,
[00:19:03] but swore with good, select,
[00:19:06] Russian swear words, is it
[00:19:10] really so, this is a classic, a huge number
[00:19:12] of words are currently borrowed by purebred
[00:19:15] Latvians from the Russian language, the Russian language is much richer,
[00:19:19] it is much more colorful, and swear words are among those
[00:19:22] words that express emotions, like...
[00:19:26] political positioning. We currently
[00:19:29] have no liberals, centrists, leftists, rightists, anyone, they have disappeared,
[00:19:32] we have political nationalism today, all parties
[00:19:36] that are currently entering the ruling
[00:20:50] bloc with Brussels' permission must be political
[00:20:52] nationalists, that is, it's a test, of course, you
[00:20:56] pass it, you're fine,
[00:20:59] exactly, but as you know, many people are guided by what
[00:21:02] the first persons of the state say, and if such people allow
[00:21:06] themselves to call everyone... in the Estonian language, but translated
[00:21:09] into Russian, it sounds
[00:21:12] as follows: a good grill makes bitter
[00:21:15] onions sweet, well, the whole problem is that the word
[00:21:19] "onion" in a conversational
[00:21:50] context in Estonia, well, translated from
[00:21:52] Estonian, can be used as a derogatory nickname
[00:21:56] for the Russian-speaking population, that's roughly what
[00:22:00] you're talking about, well, look, it's not all so
[00:22:03] homogeneous, there's a political discussion, even local
[00:22:07] sports, who are these Russians, are they in Shili, are they...
[00:22:10] monkeys, should they be chopped, or marinated, or
[00:22:13] fried, so it's not all homogeneous
[00:22:16] here either, this discussion about how to oppress all
[00:22:20] aliens, dissidents,
[00:22:23] foreign speakers, it exists, we need to
[00:22:26] take this into account, because in the context of their pressure
[00:22:30] on the Russian language, they themselves fall into a kind of schizophrenia,
[00:22:33] if we observe, they tried to make the Russian language an instrument
[00:22:37] to fight us. I remember in Riga there was a conference
[00:22:41] by Beglov Mansky from Russia on agents, "Russian
[00:22:44] is not Putin's language," they tried to use Russian to fight
[00:22:48] us, they placed editorial offices there,
[00:22:52] media, Belarusians know how Lithuania became a stronghold
[00:22:55] and a farm for fugitive zmagars,
[00:22:58] but now, maybe this is even to our advantage, their
[00:23:02] cave Russophobia, xenophobia,
[00:23:06] rejection of everything else has reached the point that the Russian language
[00:23:09] is bad for them in any form, even as a weapon against
[00:23:13] us, but before that for many years there was indeed a discussion,
[00:23:16] how to use Russian, what TV channels are needed, how
[00:23:20] to fool Russians, now they have abandoned this, Russians
[00:23:24] are absolute marginalized people, they are on the periphery,
[00:23:27] they are outside the agenda, they are outside the information
[00:23:31] space, as if they don't exist, and as
[00:23:34] a consequence, yes, one line of conduct remained - to create
[00:23:38] such conditions so that everyone leaves,
[00:23:41] and those who don't want to, who resist, criminal cases,
[00:23:44] prison, imprisonment, up
[00:23:48] to physical elimination, I believe, we can
[00:23:52] observe, they are capable of going that far, regarding leaving me, yes,
[00:23:55] yes, yes, please, look, even Wikipedia offers us,
[00:23:58] this Estonian word "tybla", which offends
[00:24:01] Russian speakers, offers us even an explanation of this
[00:24:05] word, that is, you understand, today we already receive information
[00:24:09] in official normative sources, if you want to call a Russian
[00:24:11] person names, use this word, ah, that is, there is already
[00:24:15] such a legal tool, please, everything is available,
[00:24:19] Wikipedia offers it, let's continue with what
[00:24:22] you were talking about, Antanas, it
[00:24:26] seems to me that in this sense,
[00:24:29] last year's story is very indicative,
[00:24:32] in the year of the eightieth anniversary of the great
[00:24:36] victory, in Latvia they deported
[00:24:39] a ninety-eight-year-old veteran,
[00:24:43] Vasily Moskalenov, everyone
[00:24:45] talked about this story, well,
[00:24:48] this story is not unique, it seems to me,
[00:24:51] this is also such a monstrous
[00:24:54] and cynical slap in the face to the generation of those
[00:24:58] who once liberated this land, such
[00:25:01] a situation that you mentioned in Latvia was similar
[00:25:05] in Lithuania, and people who
[00:25:09] extend, for example, in Lithuania, I can say more
[00:25:12] about Lithuania, extend, for example, a temporary residence permit,
[00:25:15] there is a mandatory question, whose Crimea. And
[00:25:19] there were many stories when people answered, or I
[00:25:22] don't know, or answered that it belongs to Russia, and they
[00:25:26] were deprived of their temporary residence permit, including, I know
[00:25:29] one story, in which a person lived in Lithuania
[00:25:32] for 40 years, and his temporary residence permit was not extended,
[00:25:36] that is, these algorithms work,
[00:25:40] I want to add to the conversation that you
[00:25:43] mentioned these Estonians who were grilling meat, so in Lithuania, all
[00:25:46] the media simply... rejoiced, praised
[00:25:50] this advertisement, said, how clever the Estonians are,
[00:25:54] how originally they came up with it, and how good it all is,
[00:25:57] that is, in Lithuania, it happened.
[00:26:01] Well, I have a whole team, we
[00:26:32] sit and work, monitor social networks, what
[00:26:36] is happening in Lithuania, and we notice this very often,
[00:26:39] that is, when it is profitable, some write it, praise
[00:26:42] it, how good it all is, that is, they give it
[00:26:46] legitimacy,
[00:27:32] preparing for this program, and I was,
[00:27:34] frankly, shocked, truly shocked. So, in
[00:27:38] 2019 in Tallinn, at a public transport
[00:27:41] stop, a tram stop, they tried to separate,
[00:27:44] although this sign didn't hang for long, to separate this part
[00:27:48] of the stop for those who speak
[00:27:51] Russian, and this part of the stop for real
[00:27:54] Estonians. For me, as...
[00:27:57] when older guys took
[00:27:59] a little boy, put him somewhere on
[00:29:03] the street, hid themselves, a guy walked by, he harassed
[00:29:06] this guy, provoked him, he grabbed his ear, and they come up to you,
[00:29:10] "Why are you hurting the little ones?" This is the situation
[00:29:14] we have today, in my opinion, with the Baltic
[00:29:17] countries, against the backdrop of the conflict in Ukraine,
[00:29:21] an island of instability is being created on Russia's
[00:29:24] borders, on Russia's northwest borders. It's clear that it
[00:29:28] may not come to a hot phase, but it forces Russia
[00:29:31] to turn its head in that direction.
[00:29:34] This is nothing else but support,
[00:29:37] this is all that we are talking about, we are stating
[00:29:41] facts that far from all residents
[00:29:44] of the Baltic states
[00:29:47] support this state of affairs, but this is roughly like what happened
[00:29:51] in our country in 2020, 1-2% of the population
[00:29:55] formed an opinion, tried to impose it, the majority for some reason
[00:29:58] believed in it, and today what is happening, I am deeply convinced that
[00:31:02] Therefore, we should not deprive them of subjectivity,
[00:31:05] this puts us into a trap, makes our foreign policy
[00:31:09] vulnerable, these are those who, in general, fueled
[00:31:13] the Ukrainian conflict as well.
[00:31:46] from your sphere in Latvia they published statistics on
[00:31:50] punishments for using the Russian
[00:31:53] language, well, that is, the machine is working and, yes, here
[00:31:56] I will also quote, for the first half of 2026,
[00:32:00] 366 administrative cases, with
[00:32:03] fines provided, an increase in fines,
[00:32:07] which for individuals will increase from 35
[00:32:10] to a maximum of 195 euros, for
[00:32:13] legal entities up to... 700 euros, in some cases up to
[00:32:16] 5,000 euros,
[00:32:19] a good addition to the
[00:32:22] budget, it turns out, for 2025 there were 610 fines, so they
[00:32:26] haven't fulfilled the plan yet, they will still reach it. I always,
[00:32:29] this is my personal pain, since I have been living in these shoes for 42
[00:32:33] years, the problem of this aggression
[00:32:36] of nationalism began a long time ago, 26 years ago, 42
[00:32:39] years, fights between Russian and Latvian children in Latvia
[00:32:43] were an absolute norm. At 14, we were
[00:32:47] pitted against each other, and we really fought in the street, district
[00:32:51] against district, Latvians against Russians, that is, you must understand that
[00:32:54] the problem was laid, born, cultivated
[00:32:57] in advance. Today you are talking about the world community, but why in
[00:33:01] 2000 did no one notice that Russian children
[00:33:04] were convinced that they needed to go to a Latvian school and break windows, in the opposite
[00:33:08] direction, and today those same children are already over 30, they were
[00:33:12] further diluted by our repatriates, who in the forties or... with their parents
[00:33:16] or were later born in America in special conditions, were returned
[00:33:19] back, that is, today the result of 22 and
[00:33:23] 26 is a fairly clear,
[00:33:25] measured and well- constructed work, starting from the moment
[00:33:29] when our Latvia gained its independence, therefore, I suggest that today
[00:33:33] we do not kick, we have a huge historical, let's say,
[00:33:36] process, in which certain mistakes were made, it will
[00:33:40] resolve itself, it will pass itself. Today it has not resolved itself and has not
[00:33:43] passed, so we have...
[00:35:15] people are offered, I can already be offered to indicate Belarusian, my father is Belarusian,
[00:35:18] apparently they are significantly more in it, that's the whole point, when changing a passport
[00:35:22] at a certain point, the authorities of the Baltic countries put pressure on
[00:35:26] you to remove the statistics, you see? And Mikhail
[00:35:29] Petrovich, you are a parliamentarian, so speaking legally,
[00:35:33] what does that mean, I will try to use
[00:35:36] this word very carefully, is it
[00:35:40] not genocide
[00:35:43] that we are dealing with?
[00:35:46] if we dig deep and actually look at the concept
[00:35:50] of the word genocide, then that's exactly what it
[00:35:53] smells like, it's the extermination of an entire nation,
[00:35:57] the Russian nation, extermination by any means, even
[00:35:59] if it's not killing, not bringing to death, but
[00:36:03] it's, say,
[00:36:06] silencing, it's transforming a person into another nationality,
[00:36:10] if you will, it's roughly the same thing, if we're not talking about
[00:36:13] genocide of a people, then we can safely talk about genocide of a nation,
[00:36:17] therefore, of course, such actions are very, very on the verge
[00:36:21] of genocide, but here I fully support
[00:36:24] you, by the way, Dmitry. So this is a classic ghetto, I don't remember this exact scene, so
[00:36:47] I won't comment on it,
[00:36:50] but yes, there is ghettoization, Russians
[00:36:52] often live compactly, these are eastern
[00:36:56] regions, this is Daugavpils in Latvia, this is
[00:37:00] Ida-Viru in Estonia, and the central
[00:37:03] republican government treats these regions, well, not
[00:37:07] as a poor relative, but as some kind of dogs,
[00:37:10] underfunding, constant jabs,
[00:37:13] constant reproaches, constant suspicions, that there
[00:37:16] is a nest of separatists, that there is the Narva
[00:37:20] People's Republic, the Dviná People's
[00:37:23] Republic, these people are not accepted as their own,
[00:37:26] these people are feared, while
[00:37:29] simultaneously scaring, implementing an aggressive policy towards
[00:37:33] them, so of course, there is ghettoization, not
[00:37:36] within the capitals, where municipalities
[00:37:39] are divided into districts and the attitude towards districts where Russians,
[00:37:43] Russian speakers live compactly, is, well, with
[00:37:46] disdain, this has always been the case regarding
[00:37:50] genocide,
[00:37:52] I agree with my colleague, yes, genocide, because if we look at
[00:37:56] EU documents.
[00:38:27] appropriate word, let's operate with the concept of genocide,
[00:38:30] even if it doesn't have
[00:38:34] a strict legal fixation, this is the task of lawyers
[00:38:37] to determine the decision of the International Court of Justice, UN,
[00:38:41] whether it is genocide or not, but our assessment, political assessment, I
[00:38:44] believe, can be such, and it should
[00:38:47] be such. I will allow myself once again within the framework
[00:38:51] of our program, to recall a personal situation, I
[00:38:54] already mentioned it a few broadcasts ago in another context, but
[00:38:58] now I simply cannot not talk
[00:39:01] about this. More than 10
[00:39:04] years ago, my interview in Tallinn in
[00:39:08] a business center with a veteran of the Great Patriotic
[00:39:10] War. I really want to believe that he
[00:39:14] is still alive and well, but when the head of that
[00:39:17] very business center,
[00:39:21] passing by, heard that we were speaking Russian, we were simply
[00:39:24] asked to go outside.
[00:39:29] Andrey Viktorovich, in Latvia, could such a situation have
[00:39:33] taken place? Well, look, twenty-third
[00:39:36] year, 25 thousand people who have
[00:39:40] a residence permit, absolutely legal for staying on the territory of the Latvian
[00:39:43] Republic, are being put into the status of future deportation.
[00:39:46] 25 thousand people, how do you think, how are our people generally
[00:39:50] treated today, today in general? These 25
[00:39:54] thousand people were supposed to be taken to Russia.
[00:39:57] Where they want, but only outside the European Union. Therefore,
[00:40:00] today, if you call for any humanity and the opportunity
[00:40:03] to assess, so to speak, the emotional state of our authorities, it is absolutely
[00:40:07] meaningless. I told you about this case, when
[00:40:10] a pure-blooded Latvian woman, pure-blooded, with two
[00:40:13] children from a Russian guy, who has a Russian passport and a Latvian residence permit,
[00:40:17] wakes up in the morning to find herself being pulled out of bed and taken to
[00:40:20] the border. And the minister, who, for humanitarian reasons, was
[00:40:24] obliged to reunite this family and bring the boy back.
[00:41:27] the very fact of Russophobia, discrimination, as
[00:41:31] we have already designated today, genocide, will be legally
[00:41:34] enshrined at the UN level. And this is already
[00:41:37] a global precedent, claims
[00:41:40] our correspondent. Russians in the Baltics have been an argument in
[00:41:44] someone else's political game for too long. In May, Moscow announced its intention
[00:41:48] to file a lawsuit with the International Court of Justice against Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia for
[00:41:51] systematic infringement of the rights of the Russian-speaking population. For Russia,
[00:41:55] the issue is no longer limited to stating violations of concern in
[00:41:58] diplomatic notes. It is about the security of its own citizens and
[00:42:02] compatriots, about preserving the Russian
[00:42:05] There are more than enough arguments for court: dismantling of monuments, renaming of
[00:42:09] historical streets, criminal cases against Russian-speaking human rights activists,
[00:42:13] journalists, politicians, teachers, priests, mass dismissals and
[00:42:16] finally forced evictions. A glaring example was
[00:42:19] the deportation to Russia of 74-year-old Latvian
[00:42:22] pensioner Grigory Yeryomenko, who failed the Latvian
[00:42:26] language test. He is not the first and probably far from the last Russian-speaking
[00:42:29] pensioner deported by local authorities. Simple
[00:42:33] people, normal people, one might say,
[00:42:36] human, but this government.
[00:43:10] they were not forbidden to live, work, pay taxes, they were actually erased from
[00:43:13] the political body of the country. The Baltics in this sense is a laboratory of the future,
[00:43:17] everything that has been worked out here on the Russian question will then be transferred to another
[00:43:21] territory, where the West needs to break historical memory. Ukraine has long
[00:43:25] been following this path, and Moldova is already on the rails. Here are the fruits of the
[00:43:28] meat producer in Estonia refusing to remove an advertisement that caused a storm
[00:43:32] of indignation. Two men with Ukrainian flags on their sleeves, behind
[00:43:36] them the smoke from fires, the inscription "the right grill changes the bitter taste of onions
[00:43:39] to". This is how they joke, using slang that is forbidden in any decent
[00:43:43] society. Well, in indecent society, Russian-speakers are called
[00:43:46] onions. There is a huge number of angry comments online,
[00:43:50] accusations of inciting ethnic hatred. MEP Yana Toom got angry.
[00:43:53] "What's that in your background, dear sausage makers?
[00:43:57] The idea is that everyone who buys your sausage thinks they are eating
[00:44:00] a burnt enemy?" But behind this process is a combination of politicians and
[00:44:04] special services, who perfectly understand what the former Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas,
[00:44:08] who became the chief diplomat, is doing.
[00:44:26] how will the International Court of Justice behave, Mikhail
[00:44:28] Petrovich? Here, is the decision or the
[00:44:32] precedent itself important, in your opinion? I think the
[00:44:36] precedent is important. Doesn't the situation in the Baltics today remind
[00:44:40] you of the situation in Ukraine 10 years ago? It's roughly the same thing. Russia
[00:44:43] was forced to intervene in the rights
[00:44:46] of its citizens, the protection of the rights of its citizens.
[00:44:50] This appeal to the international court will already be a fact and a precedent:
[00:44:54] whether you recognized it or not, whether you dealt with it or not, but we reacted
[00:44:57] according to international norms. If the international
[00:45:00] community did not react, Russia will still be forced
[00:45:04] to protect the rights of its citizens by other
[00:45:07] means and ways. Well, by what means? 20
[00:45:40] million people remained outside their native, so to speak,
[00:45:43] land. My parents gave the first generation - that's me, we already gave
[00:45:46] the second generation, and today these millions have grown, doubled or tripled,
[00:45:50] and today these are absolutely legal hostages of
[00:45:53] the European Union, and one way or another, through these
[00:45:57] people they will force Russia to react,
[00:46:01] to react with as many mistakes as possible, but in this case I
[00:46:05] will support the decision of the leadership of the Russian Federation that appealing to court is the most correct
[00:46:09] diplomatic step. What the result will be is a big question,
[00:46:12] but the fact that it will not solve the root of the problem, we were only
[00:46:16] 20 million there at the beginning, now multiply that forward, we
[00:46:20] remained there, and no matter what, the new center of influence in the new
[00:46:23] geography in our hemisphere, where the Republic of Belarus and the Russian
[00:46:27] Federation are located, will have to solve this problem. You will have to, one way or another, pay
[00:46:31] attention to the fact that there are people there who need your help and your protection.
[00:46:34] Court is a formality. And it seems to me that this is also a very
[00:46:38] such a... appropriate,
[00:46:41] timely and quite effective
[00:46:44] public test for the international
[00:46:47] community, for international institutions, for the same
[00:46:50] United Nations organization,
[00:47:22] who is trying to tape together the
[00:47:26] remnants of international law with this electrical tape,
[00:47:29] this is the right move, the colleague absolutely rightly
[00:47:32] noted, if not the International Court of Justice, then everything,
[00:47:36] diplomacy has exhausted itself, and how
[00:47:39] will the Russian side further solve the Russian
[00:47:42] question in the Baltics, well, as they say, think for yourself
[00:47:46] what tools are left, because therefore this is a very
[00:47:49] serious story, and the Balts got scared. The Latvians
[00:47:53] got scared, the Latvian intelligence bureau for the protection of
[00:47:56] the constitution has already released huge
[00:47:59] reports, releases, they called it in English,
[00:48:03] law fare, law as
[00:48:06] law, fare as welfare, hostilities, they called
[00:48:10] it a legal
[00:48:12] war. What is more important is the media effect, what is more important
[00:48:16] is to keep it on the agenda, what is more important is to discredit
[00:48:19] Latvian national policy and the Baltics
[00:48:23] in general. They are absolutely right, yes, legal
[00:48:26] war, yes, it's a tool, yes, these are actions that
[00:48:30] are possible, yes, this is a drain on their
[00:48:33] resources, because they need to hire lawyers, they need to, now they are
[00:48:36] dealing with pre-trial matters, well, mostly ignoring it,
[00:48:40] but they are fussing, then a lawsuit
[00:48:43] will follow, then a case will be opened, this
[00:48:46] will drag out millions, one, two, 10 million, this will drag out
[00:48:49] time, this will drag out...
[00:48:52] the forces of national courts and legal scholars instead of imprisoning
[00:48:56] Russians or stamping out new laws on discrimination against
[00:49:00] Russians, they will be busy with this. So even from this
[00:49:03] side there is some plus, but the story is extremely serious,
[00:49:07] because if not this platform, then everything, diplomacy has
[00:49:11] exhausted itself. Further, in other words, it's such a last frontier,
[00:49:14] a last test, you know, I have everything with me, I have material with me,
[00:49:18] where my child, not yet 5 years old, is walking with his mother.
[00:49:22] She specially filmed it and sent it to me and refuses to go to kindergarten. When asked why, she says: they
[00:49:26] forbid me to speak Russian there. That is, imagine,
[00:49:29] there is such a small child in a winter jumpsuit, yes. Therefore,
[00:49:32] when we talk about jurisprudence, about diplomacy, about processes that are only
[00:49:35] going up, up, up, everything is fine, yes, that is, today we have there outside the Republic
[00:49:39] of Belarus, where there is absolute stability, absolute transparency, concepts, yes, that
[00:49:43] is, in the rule of law, there is a wild insane
[00:49:47] world, gentlemen, in which there are three categories of people:
[00:49:50] citizen, non-citizen. hello and
[00:49:53] non-citizen, yes, that is, a person who is forbidden to participate in 40 professions,
[00:49:57] a person who is forbidden to vote, a person who only works and pays
[00:50:00] taxes. You understand, it's hard to say how much longer our people on
[00:50:04] the other side will last, while in the big corridors of the courts, someone will
[00:50:08] walk around and try to achieve something. It's hard. This is the part of the world that
[00:50:11] publicly positions itself as democratic
[00:50:15] Europe. Well, I would still like to
[00:50:18] continue the thesis about the International Court of Justice. That's what you
[00:50:22] were talking about, but it seems to me that this is also a very
[00:50:25] important story about
[00:50:29] human and historical justice,
[00:50:32] yes, it's unlikely that anyone will pay the bills, but this very
[00:50:36] precedent, a public precedent will be created, and
[00:50:40] it seems to me, Mikhail Petrovich, that this correlates very clearly
[00:50:43] with the story familiar to us here in
[00:50:46] Belarus, the criminal case of the genocide of the Belarusian
[00:50:49] people, within which we, by the way,
[00:50:53] cooperate closely with Russia, and yes, these
[00:50:56] war criminals, well, due to time, due to the fact that they
[00:50:59] have already left this world, they did not receive physical
[00:51:03] punishment, but forever
[00:51:07] by legal letter, by the letter of the law, it will be written that
[00:51:10] yes, they are criminals. It seems to me that this story is also about that, yes, this
[00:51:14] story is about that, and if you, perhaps we all noticed, we didn't
[00:51:17] want to dig into this whole story, it was what it was,
[00:51:21] we are ready to live peacefully.
[00:52:06] Colleagues, well, let's wait and see how
[00:52:09] this very complex story will develop. Let's hope
[00:52:12] that sooner or later, well, it
[00:52:15] will certainly happen, sooner or later justice
[00:52:18] will prevail.
[00:52:49] paint over the picture, then indeed, or is this
[00:52:52] still a hint
[00:52:55] from the neural network that the task was set by the leadership, and simple
[00:52:58] people are carrying it out, they are painting over the wrong things, not what
[00:53:02] should be painted over, not what the leadership would want
[00:53:06] to be painted over. Alexey Viktorovich,
[00:53:09] Tchaikovsky,
[00:53:17] picture shows a very simple situation. The
[00:53:20] time of the vampire ball, remember what a very famous person said, is coming
[00:53:24] to an end, but they are still trying to paint over this end, to somehow
[00:53:27] delay it, but it's inevitable. Today it's clear that this empire
[00:53:31] will collapse. It's a matter of time. Well, the question is -
[00:54:16] We will introduce you to Belarusians who
[00:54:19] consciously exchanged the city for the village. At the age
[00:54:22] of 17, she lost her mother. My
[00:54:26] mother got cancer, she burned out very quickly, well, of course, for
[00:54:29] our family, for me, a young girl, it
[00:54:33] was a shock. survived this and decided not
[00:54:37] to become a city dweller, but to return to her native
[00:54:40] village after studying. I am just like that, all Belarus is my home
[00:54:44] and I cannot imagine another life. Most of
[00:54:47] the time her husband is working in the north, she raises
[00:54:51] a two-year-old child alone. They believed in
[00:54:54] themselves, in their strength and achieved results in their
[00:54:57] favorite business. She moved to the village not to
[00:55:01] find herself, she moved to survive.
[00:55:05] things, I drove to the market and bought chicks with ducklings,
[00:55:15] but with taste, it was not a move, it was a flight, I
[00:55:18] packed the necessary
[00:55:22] I met my husband under very interesting
[00:55:25] circumstances, I was returning with a bucket, and
[00:55:29] in front of me was Anatoly,
[00:55:31] and I decided that he wanted to kiss me. Project
[00:55:35] "I'm from the village," watch on Belarus
[00:55:38] 24 channel.
[00:55:42] Bumper August is coming, and with it, the time
[00:55:46] of big calculations, where every ear, every
[00:55:49] grain is under control. Time is money. Machine operators do not
[00:55:53] miss a single good day, they work as a team
[00:55:56] for a common result. Why do you need good balers anyway?