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[00:00:00] left his post. This is the end of my six-year political
[00:00:04] journey, which went from a historical defeat in
[00:00:06] 2019 to a historical victory in
[00:00:10] 2024. In 2 years of work, I am
[00:00:13] leaving the country in a better state than when I
[00:00:16] came. To everyone present in the gallery whose lives have changed
[00:00:20] or improved thanks to the Labour government,
[00:00:23] to everyone across the country who struggles to be seen
[00:00:27] or heard, you are the reason why... I entered
[00:00:30] politics. Where is the point of no return after which
[00:00:34] Downing Street ceased to be a citadel of stability and turned into a pass-through
[00:00:38] yard? It seems it all started with Brexit. David Cameron, the youngest
[00:00:42] Prime Minister in Great Britain since 1812.
[00:00:45] 6 years in power, stable ratings, firm hand. Everything changed in
[00:00:49] 2015. He himself called a referendum on Britain's exit
[00:00:53] from the European Union, hoping to once and for all close the painful dispute
[00:00:56] within his party and put to shame the Eurosceptics. However,
[00:01:00] his overconfidence proved unjustifiably risky.
[00:01:03] The majority - 52% voted to leave the
[00:01:06] EU. The next morning, Cameron resigned. Although, it seems,
[00:01:09] he was not very upset about losing power; on the contrary, he sighed with relief and
[00:01:13] left the post of Prime Minister singing.
[00:01:17] I will take part in Prime Minister's Questions in the House of Commons for the last time.
[00:01:20] After that, as I expect, I will go to the
[00:01:23] palace to submit my resignation. Thus, by
[00:01:27] evening the country will have a new Prime Minister. the building behind
[00:01:31] me.
[00:01:38] Theresa May received from him a country that had already voted for divorce from
[00:01:42] the European Union, but did not yet understand the price of this decision. Her
[00:01:45] task sounded simple: to agree with Brussels on the terms of exit and
[00:01:49] to pass this agreement through the British Parliament. The main problem was
[00:01:53] the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. No one wanted to bring back
[00:01:56] customs posts and effectively divide the island in two. May
[00:02:00] offered a compromise to the EU, but it did not suit almost anyone.
[00:02:04] Supporters of an uncompromising Brexit believed that it left Britain
[00:02:07] too dependent on Europe, and opponents of leaving the EU did not
[00:02:11] want such a divorce at all. As a result, MPs voted against
[00:02:15] her deal three times. May was remembered for the phrase "Brexit means
[00:02:18] Brexit," which no one understood. Then came to power,
[00:02:22] as he was immediately defined, a clown with a ridiculous, disheveled
[00:02:25] hairstyle. He was also an eccentric politician with promises
[00:02:29] to bring Brexit to. To be fair, Boris Johnson
[00:02:32] did officially withdraw the country from the EU, but then drowned in
[00:02:36] a series of scandals, from renovating the Downing Street residence to
[00:02:39] parties during the COVID lockdown. There were many such stories,
[00:02:42] although often he got away with it. On this
[00:02:46] basis, Johnson even got a telling nickname: slippery
[00:02:50] pig. The apt definition belongs to
[00:02:53] Cameron. Boris Johnson will hardly be remembered as
[00:02:56] a politician whose efforts were aimed at improving.
[00:03:30] several weeks as Prime Minister. Liz Truss dreamed of becoming the new Margaret
[00:03:34] Thatcher, of bringing about an economic breakthrough through sharp tax cuts, but
[00:03:37] instead of the expected breakthrough, there was panic in the markets, a fall
[00:03:41] in the pound, and a rise in borrowing costs. Her premiership was record-short,
[00:03:44] 45 days. However, if not for the mockery
[00:03:48] online, May would have remained unnoticed. The tabloid, Daily Star,
[00:03:52] streamed with a head of lettuce, the purpose of the experiment was to compare the lifespan
[00:03:55] of the plant with the duration of Truss's stay in high office. Spoiler:
[00:03:59] the lettuce
[00:04:00] won.
[00:04:05] After Truss's short but destructive premiership, the British economy
[00:04:08] literally had to be pulled out of an economic hole. To the rescue
[00:04:12] came the charmer Rishi. Sunak received his nickname during
[00:04:16] the pandemic, while he was Minister of Finance, for his impeccable
[00:04:19] suits, neat appearance, calm manner of speaking, and
[00:04:22] unchanging gray hoodie at informal meetings. Against the backdrop
[00:04:25] of a disheveled Johnson and a nervous Truss, Sunak looked almost
[00:04:28] like an ideal crisis manager. Initially, indeed,
[00:04:32] the new leader's policy seemed quite convincing. He made it clear to
[00:04:35] investors that there would be no new adventures. The budget would again be balanced
[00:04:39] cautiously, and the markets indeed calmed down. But ordinary
[00:04:43] Britons did not feel an easy life. Prices remained
[00:04:46] high, the economy grew slowly, and hospital queues did not
[00:04:49] disappear. By the 2024 elections,
[00:04:52] voter fatigue with the conservatives, who had clumsily ruled the country's
[00:04:56] destiny for 14 years, reached its limit. The party.
[00:05:20] And the point here is not so much in specific personalities, but in a systemic
[00:05:24] crisis. The Westminster model, built for decades on
[00:05:27] a clear pendulum between conservatives and laborites, is
[00:05:31] failing. The political landscape of the United Kingdom is becoming
[00:05:34] broader and more diverse. In this situation, instability becomes
[00:05:37] the norm. The British political boat sways on the waves of populism and
[00:05:41] economic difficulties. When the list becomes dangerous,
[00:05:45] the only way to save yourself is to throw the captain overboard
[00:05:48] so that the whole crew does not capsize. The new
[00:05:52] British Prime Minister Burnham, having barely taken office, went on vacation
[00:05:55] two weeks later.
[00:06:33] Tatiana, for years we were imposed Europe as an earthly paradise,
[00:06:37] the Eiffel Tower, espresso on the terrace, helicopter money, and
[00:06:40] a measured life. But when you come to Europe not
[00:06:44] as a tourist for a week, but as a person who has to
[00:06:47] work there, raise children, solve everyday problems,
[00:06:51] something is not right with the painted paradise,
[00:06:54] tell us about your relocation story and what turned out
[00:06:57] to be a disappointment? Uh-huh, yes,
[00:07:01] the relocation was as idealized as possible, because
[00:07:04] indeed for many years before that we saw it in
[00:07:08] rosy colors, like the Eiffel Tower, yes, coffee on the
[00:07:11] terrace and... everything smells of croissants,
[00:07:14] but in fact, when you come to this country, you
[00:07:18] face many aspects that
[00:07:22] you would not get even with very careful,
[00:07:25] targeted planning, because when you arrive
[00:07:29] on the spot, you face bureaucracy, you face
[00:07:32] the tasks of providing children with
[00:07:35] leisure, education, medicine.
[00:07:39] These things are not visible when you are a tourist.
[00:07:48] In Belarus, we are used to the fact that cheap electricity, gas, and a clean
[00:07:52] yard are a given. So, in Europe, what did you face, what
[00:07:55] kind of European surprise in the form of utility bills and household
[00:07:59] issues, and is it true that for renting housing you will have to
[00:08:03] pay a pretty decent stack of euros?
[00:08:07] I would even add, not just pay a decent stack
[00:08:10] of euros, but also win a competition. The name of the most
[00:08:13] suitable tenant for your future home, I don't know why I decided to answer
[00:08:17] this question from the end, probably because it was the most painful for me,
[00:08:20] when there is a need to rent housing, not only do you
[00:08:24] have to prepare a complete dossier about your family,
[00:08:27] starting from your preferences, ending with income,
[00:08:31] respectively, tax
[00:08:33] declaration, everything must be neatly organized, so when you
[00:08:37] enter this, this, I don't know, flow
[00:08:41] of applications for housing, the demand is accordingly
[00:08:43] gigantic, then well, it's not a fact that you'll be lucky and that
[00:08:47] you'll be chosen for the title of this tenant, because
[00:08:50] there are quite a lot of participants and you can't
[00:08:53] predict. Well, most often they refuse those who
[00:08:57] have children, most often they refuse those who have pets,
[00:09:01] respectively, that is, well, the chances of getting good housing in a good
[00:09:04] area for good money, well, let's just say
[00:09:07] it's small. A surprise about the bills,
[00:09:11] well, it's probably not a secret here, but
[00:09:13] the cost, I don't know, for example, an electricity bill in
[00:09:17] a one-room apartment was about
[00:09:20] 400 euros in March, well, in my opinion, that's simply, to put it mildly,
[00:09:24] not at all like in Belarus. So, as
[00:09:28] for the price of renting an apartment, for example, your family, yes, husband,
[00:09:31] two children, how much did your rent cost, well, if
[00:09:34] we were talking about the conditions
[00:09:38] in which we would like to live, it would be many times more, but those which we...
[00:10:13] encountered a large number of rejections, doors that
[00:10:16] I knocked on did not open, many
[00:10:19] letters, many emails in vain,
[00:10:22] sending out resumes.
[00:10:55] Tatyana, please clarify, where exactly did you live, was it some city in France
[00:10:58] or the capital? Is it true that there are no French people
[00:11:02] left in France, only migrants? What do you say to that?
[00:11:05] Yes, I will say, yes, we lived in a small town on the border with
[00:11:08] Switzerland, we were in Paris when it was necessary to
[00:11:12] resolve documentary issues there, but I can say
[00:11:15] unequivocally that both at the edge of this country and
[00:11:19] in the capital of this country, there is a huge
[00:11:22] number of migrants, and what we imagined...
[00:11:55] such a moment, I wouldn't say that it's directly related
[00:11:57] to me personally, we lived near
[00:12:01] a city called Annecy, and you probably heard this
[00:12:04] news, it's a fairly densely populated
[00:12:07] city with immigrants, a situation occurred there when
[00:12:11] a man attacked children in a kindergarten with a knife,
[00:12:15] well, for me it was a complete shock, in my
[00:12:18] environment there was nothing like that, I didn't encounter it, no one robbed me,
[00:12:22] on the contrary, there were situations when I lost my backpack.
[00:12:45] After France, you had a life in Portugal, opening an individual entrepreneurship and thinking that happiness was just around
[00:12:48] the corner. Tell us about the Portuguese business climate
[00:12:51] and what turned out to be a disappointment there?
[00:12:55] Opening an individual entrepreneurship turned out to be quite
[00:12:59] easy, despite the fact that I expected it to be very
[00:13:02] difficult, as usual in Europe, but
[00:13:06] having opened an individual entrepreneurship, I encountered
[00:13:08] some moments that are absolutely
[00:13:11] illogical. For example, having opened an individual entrepreneurship, you cannot
[00:13:15] open a bank account if you lack some
[00:13:17] documents, that is, you opened an individual entrepreneurship, but it cannot
[00:13:21] function because you do not have enough resources for it.
[00:13:56] but it turned out to be quite the opposite, that when I returned home, by pressing
[00:13:59] three buttons, I opened self-employment, and the answer to
[00:14:03] which I was looking around the world, I found it at home
[00:14:07] simply in the first month after returning home.
[00:14:10] Please tell me about the prices in stores, how much did it cost
[00:14:13] you to feed a family of four from your budget, well,
[00:14:16] roughly, I would
[00:14:20] say that a basic basket, which consists
[00:14:23] of, let's say, a minimum of... meat,
[00:14:25] cereals, sweets,
[00:14:29] vegetables, fruits, that's about 400 euros, probably for a family,
[00:14:33] but I'm talking about a direct basic
[00:14:36] minimum, so multiply by
[00:14:39] four, roughly 1000 euros
[00:14:42] plus, that's just for food, everything else,
[00:14:46] please, on top, well, here, calculate it,
[00:14:49] a thousand for housing, a thousand for food,
[00:14:53] that's just so that you don't just survive
[00:14:57] all above, that is, accordingly, in order to live well, in my
[00:15:01] feeling, in my understanding, two
[00:15:03] adults in Europe should have about four
[00:15:06] thousand euros each. Those who came to Europe as tourists
[00:15:10] like to say, "But Europe has excellent salaries!" So,
[00:15:14] tell us, what's the deception of this European euro, when you
[00:15:17] face bills for utilities, for
[00:15:21] rent, and so on? Yes,
[00:15:24] here. there is always such a hidden pitfall when you look through
[00:15:28] the prism of salary in Europe and expenses in Belarus, then in principle
[00:15:32] you are at a fairly good level, yes, a comrade is always
[00:15:35] in the black, when you... in the context of European salaries,
[00:15:39] European expenses,
[00:15:42] accordingly, here it's pretty obvious that expenses in
[00:15:46] Europe are significantly
[00:15:48] higher, and strangely enough, even in terms of salary, I wouldn't have
[00:15:52] felt that income is higher than expenses, that
[00:15:55] is, even the salary offer, in the same
[00:15:58] field of graphic design, it's low, that is,
[00:16:02] a salary of 1,800 euros, what is 1,800 euros with utilities of
[00:16:06] 400 for electricity? It's nothing, you just spread it out
[00:16:09] in stacks like that, and you're left with, at best, 300 euros
[00:16:12] to, well, what to do, eat, probably only,
[00:16:15] accordingly, unfortunately, I can't
[00:16:19] please those who are waiting for some positive note in
[00:16:23] the direction that, well, in Europe everything is so wonderful,
[00:16:26] we'll go there and live comfortably in our old age and drink
[00:16:30] coffee, and drink coffee with croissants. Tatyana,
[00:16:34] well, probably the most interesting question, when did you realize that
[00:17:07] behind a layer of those moments when you're just over
[00:17:10] the top with all these emotions,
[00:17:14] this, let's say, disagreement, as soon as you
[00:17:17] feel that you're done, you can't move in that
[00:17:21] direction anymore, you just want to sit down
[00:17:24] and leave, despite the fact that the expectations were completely
[00:17:27] different, I can't say that it was anything
[00:17:31] specific, the only thing is that there were a lot of consecutive
[00:17:34] negative feedbacks, such a cumulative effect.
[00:18:07] transparent, easy, comfortable and
[00:18:11] profitable, because here you enter the
[00:18:14] application, install it, download it, see your
[00:18:18] position and your type of activity, while you can
[00:18:21] calmly pay taxes, breathe freely, come and,
[00:18:25] so to speak, not be afraid to offer your services for a certain
[00:18:29] price, and this gives
[00:18:32] you the opportunity to be free, which is what
[00:18:35] I was essentially looking for all over Europe.
[00:18:38] Having returned home, I realized that it was here,
[00:18:41] freely. You brought back from this trip not souvenirs, but
[00:18:45] a unique experience. What did you learn about yourself
[00:18:49] and your home during these 3 years?
[00:18:52] Well, I guess it's logical to say, "Where one is born, there one is useful."
[00:18:56] My grandmother told me that all my life, but I didn't listen to
[00:18:59] her. And through my experience, I brought back
[00:19:03] a very cool skill, the skill of being able to start everything from scratch.
[00:19:08] You just stop, do a check-up of your life and say: "No,
[00:19:12] this doesn't suit me, let's start over, everything," and not
[00:19:15] be afraid, not be afraid of what people will say about you, not be afraid that when you returned, everyone
[00:19:18] will say: "Oh, you didn't succeed, you're a failure," don't be afraid,
[00:19:21] it's your life, I'm getting goosebumps
[00:19:24] again, it's your life, and only you
[00:19:28] can move towards what you want in the right way for
[00:19:32] you. Do you want to go to Europe again, well, maybe as a tourist for
[00:19:35] croissants? You know, somehow
[00:19:38] not really, it's probably still too early, when you
[00:19:42] received so much, yes, negativity,
[00:19:46] maybe go for a week, see, but what to see, I've seen
[00:19:50] everything, what have I seen, I've seen small towns and big
[00:19:53] cities from France to the edge
[00:19:56] of the continent, no, no,
[00:19:58] thank you, thank you very much for the interesting interview, thank you for
[00:20:02] inviting
[00:20:02] me.