BELARUSTV — broadcast 20260911 150000 UTC 532 transcript segments Google Cloud Speech-to-Text API (Chirp) + Gemini 2.5 Flash Non-Thinking Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:00] happen in the life of our society, such [00:00:03] studies, they allow us [00:00:06] to see what directions [00:00:09] of life of our society, what directions [00:00:12] of state policy are being implemented, successfully, [00:00:16] meet the interests, needs of people, where [00:00:19] there are certain issues, that should be put [00:00:23] in the focus of attention of the relevant public [00:00:26] administration bodies, in the focus of attention. [00:00:30] of the media community in order [00:00:33] to get [00:00:36] the most reliable, complete and exhaustive answers to those [00:00:39] questions that interested us, that interested [00:00:42] the client, and the client in this study was [00:00:46] the Belarusian Institute of Strategic [00:00:48] Research, we very carefully approached [00:00:52] the formation of our tools, first of all, [00:00:55] the tool in this case was a questionnaire, we [00:00:58] offered this... questionnaire to be filled out [00:01:01] by respondents, residents of 99 [00:01:04] settlements were surveyed, a [00:01:08] representative sample [00:01:11] was formed, a sample is those people who [00:01:15] directly answered the questions that [00:01:18] our interviewers offered. At [00:01:21] the core of this sample is primarily [00:01:23] the structure of the population of our [00:01:27] country, up-to-date data from our [00:01:30] national statistical committee, and [00:01:33] the sample reflects the male and female [00:01:37] структуре генеральной совокупности, мужское и женское [00:01:40] population, residents of large [00:01:43] cities, and small settlements, [00:01:47] the sample includes the population with [00:01:50] different levels of education, with different marital [00:01:54] status, and this allows us [00:01:57] today to use the results of this study and [00:02:01] consider them as truly accurate [00:02:05] diagnostics of the opinions that our [00:02:08] respondents shared with us, well, [00:02:12] in general, the need to conduct such a large-scale [00:02:16] study is dictated by [00:02:18] the fact that we [00:02:21] are now participating in the implementation of the program [00:02:25] of socio-economic development [00:02:26] of the country, the first year. [00:03:00] values talked about peace, and [00:03:03] indeed peace, how can this be explained from the point of view of both [00:03:07] sociology and philosophy, why has such a value come to [00:03:10] the leading position today? I believe that [00:03:13] here we must first of all start from [00:03:17] our domestic Belarusian realities, we live under a peaceful [00:03:20] sky, we all have the opportunity [00:03:24] to engage in work, get [00:03:28] education, spend our free time [00:03:31] as we wish, [00:03:34] and not especially worry about [00:03:37] something happening, [00:03:40] or rather, it is necessary to worry about it, but [00:03:43] what we see outside our country, it [00:03:47] especially emphasizes the importance of living in peaceful [00:03:50] conditions, therefore the value of a peaceful life is [00:03:54] primarily dictated by [00:03:57] the ability to compare, to contrast what is happening with us and what [00:04:01] is happening, unfortunately, in other [00:04:04] countries, in other regions of the world. And how sometimes this peace can be fragile? And hence [00:04:08] it is necessary to conclude that [00:04:11] in order to maintain it, efforts are needed not only from [00:04:15] law enforcement agencies, the military-industrial complex, the army, not [00:04:19] only from the state itself, but also from [00:04:23] each of us, the president constantly talks about [00:04:25] this, that you [00:04:28] work, good. give me the economy, the rest [00:04:32] of the issues are my competence, and it must be said that [00:04:35] this competence [00:04:38] is fully implemented here, but this is no reason [00:04:41] to believe that since it has been so [00:04:45] for almost 100 [00:04:48] years, the Great Patriotic War ended in 1945, [00:04:51] that this peaceful sky is [00:04:54] absolutely guaranteed to us, without our own efforts, [00:04:58] without work with [00:05:12] an absolutely everyday comparative [00:05:15] analysis, but undoubtedly here [00:05:18] our traditional life wisdom, traditional [00:05:21] values, to [00:05:24] which we sometimes are more skeptical [00:05:28] than required, in fact, the well-known [00:05:31] expression that [00:05:34] there should be no war, however paradoxical, but [00:05:38] the first quarter [00:05:41] of the century is already ending, it is more relevant than [00:05:44] ever, therefore at the basis of such a distribution [00:05:47] of opinions here, strictly speaking, are also the opinions of people who [00:05:51] focus their attention on this, our life [00:05:55] philosophy, which proves its worth in this regard, [00:05:58] in the list of what Belarus [00:06:02] is proud of, social protection, quality of products, [00:06:05] cleanliness of cities, preservation [00:06:08] of historical memory were also especially opinion, how do these values... [00:07:43] of our character, our mentality, our culture, [00:07:46] the desire for order, the desire for harmony, the desire to do everything not [00:07:50] just productively, efficiently, [00:07:54] but to do everything beautifully, this [00:07:57] whole set of values, it expresses and [00:08:01] represents the result not only of those [00:08:04] areas of activity that the state [00:08:07] implements, but it also reflects our [00:08:11] own inner world. we live like [00:08:14] this at home, we organize our [00:08:17] working life, our daily life, [00:08:21] we strive for this, so in aggregate, why is this so, [00:08:24] well, this is our everything, this is who we are, [00:08:27] and you have already spoken twice today about work, that you really need to be [00:08:31] very attentive to your workplace [00:08:35] and indeed, if everyone works professionally and well, [00:08:39] this is the basis of both security and the well-being of all. [00:09:12] work a lot or work less, relax more, so [00:09:15] more than half of the respondents, when answering [00:09:19] the question, what do you want, to work more, [00:09:23] to work more or to have a small level [00:09:26] of income, but more free time, so [00:09:30] more than half of our respondents, more [00:09:33] than 50%, chose the option to work more [00:09:37] and accordingly earn more, approximately [00:09:40] every third respondent... [00:10:55] in this particular study is the age group from 18 to [00:10:59] 30 years old, and I can [00:11:02] assume that, probably for that part [00:11:06] that is still in college, [00:11:09] which has not yet started its own family, [00:11:12] obviously for this group, it will be a greater priority, [00:11:16] probably the trend [00:11:19] to somehow have more free time, [00:11:22] but already after [00:11:26] as they get older, when people come to their [00:11:29] workplace, when they start to understand more clearly [00:11:31] that life success is achieved through work, [00:11:35] everything that we aspire to, everything that we strive for, [00:11:39] it can only be achieved through work, here these accents [00:11:42] shift, well, and for an older category [00:11:46] of respondents, for that category that [00:11:49] is already retired, there, absolutely, [00:11:53] probably reasonably. to a certain [00:11:56] extent, career, professional success, [00:12:00] self-realization is a matter, well, [00:12:03] of the present, and a little bit of the past, and there is more [00:12:07] desire to focus on [00:12:09] managing one's free time, this is also [00:12:13] a wonderful trend, it means that it indicates [00:12:17] that there is an opportunity to truly [00:12:19] concentrate on other aspects of one's [00:12:22] life, if we talk about quality. life, the [00:12:26] data say that 88% are satisfied [00:12:29] with the work of trade, 65% [00:12:32] are satisfied with healthcare, more than 60% with housing and communal services, [00:12:35] these are quite high indicators, even in general, if we take [00:12:39] the average world indicators of developed, developing countries [00:12:43] and so on, but what lies behind those who were really dissatisfied, we [00:12:47] are talking today about the majority of results, when people are really [00:12:50] satisfied, but there are, we understand, that there are dissatisfied people, this is absolutely [00:12:53] normal. what problems do they mention [00:12:57] and how do you then transmit these [00:13:00] signals to the relevant services, so that this can also [00:13:02] be worked on, I will go back a little [00:13:06] to the beginning of the question, I want to say [00:13:09] that the figures that you [00:13:11] announced, some figures I can repeat, 88% [00:13:15] of those surveyed positively answered the question that yes [00:13:19] they are dissatisfied with trade, 65%, [00:13:22] with healthcare, more than 60%. [00:14:25] leisure develops, the quality of life improves, [00:14:28] accordingly, this indicates [00:14:32] that the demands that were once [00:14:36] earlier, are satisfied, new demands appear, [00:14:40] this desire to live [00:14:43] better, this is an absolutely normal, natural desire of [00:14:45] the state, [00:14:48] firstly, to a large extent these demands [00:14:51] are satisfied, but secondly, it must be [00:14:54] said that the orientation towards [00:14:58] a welfare state, the orientation towards [00:15:01] someone having to provide all these [00:15:05] benefits, it still has to imply [00:15:08] the reverse measurement, one's own contribution to the development [00:15:11] of the economy, to the improvement of one's settlements, [00:15:15] to maintaining order in the workplace, [00:15:19] in one's city, here [00:15:23] these very problems. [00:15:25] moments, they are connected with the fact that one wants [00:15:29] more, one has become accustomed to good things, and we pay attention to [00:15:32] those shortcomings that we did not consider necessary [00:15:35] before, even... [00:15:39] As for indeed [00:15:42] those questions that our respondents pay attention to, they [00:15:45] are certainly present, [00:15:49] the shelves of all Belarusian stores are filled with [00:15:51] goods of various quality, in various price ranges these [00:15:55] goods are presented, but as one of the questions, and [00:15:59] there is no news here, [00:16:03] Belarusians are worried that prices are rising, these [00:16:06] issues... are under [00:16:09] close control of [00:16:11] the state, [00:16:13] but how much can this price increase be stopped, [00:16:17] how problematic these [00:16:20] issues are, at least within our [00:16:23] research, we at least draw attention to the fact [00:16:26] that for the residents of our [00:16:29] country this is, well, [00:16:32] such a point, so to speak, a point [00:16:36] of attention... [00:17:07] queues in clinics and hospitals, [00:17:10] sometimes it's difficult to get [00:17:13] a consultation with the necessary specialist, [00:17:16] the problem of the shortage of medical [00:17:19] personnel also exists, for this [00:17:22] the state is doing a very serious job, in particular, [00:17:25] enrollment in medical universities for state-funded [00:17:29] education is significantly expanding, these are [00:17:32] issues that certainly did not appear [00:17:36] today, not here and now, but at the same time, it must be [00:17:39] understood that within, say, one admission [00:17:43] campaign or graduation campaign from a university, on a national [00:17:47] scale, to answer all such [00:17:50] problematic issues is also quite difficult, if at all [00:17:54] possible, therefore this is a priority that is [00:17:58] in the focus of attention of both the head of state and the government, [00:18:01] if we talk about housing and communal [00:18:04] services, yes, we... [00:19:12] In this regard, we are grateful to our journalist colleagues who provide an opportunity to convey to everyone who wants to hear [00:19:16] this picture of things. The second point is related to the fact [00:19:19] that when designing this study, our clients were [00:19:23] given a strict requirement to obtain [00:19:26] the most objective picture. Well, the third [00:19:29] point, work on the tools, [00:19:33] on those problematic issues that we planned to study. [00:19:38] we attracted [00:19:41] a number of experts who helped [00:19:43] to crystallize precisely those topics, those [00:19:47] questions that are directly in the focus [00:19:50] of attention of public administration bodies, and of course, always [00:19:54] in the focus of attention of the head of state, so such [00:19:57] complex work allowed us, in this case, for now [00:20:01] we are presenting a block that we call [00:20:04] socio-economic assessments, socio-economic. [00:20:07] aspects, we still have a block of questions [00:20:11] related to the assessment of the socio-political situation [00:20:14] in society and another block of questions that concerns those, as [00:20:18] it were, resonant questions that concern [00:20:21] ordinary citizens, that is, this will be in three stages, you will tell us in three stages, but it is worth [00:20:25] completing this topic, about which you spoke, you briefly mentioned and [00:20:29] quite modestly that the indicators are growing, but in these 5 years, what a [00:20:32] large-scale work the state has done in each of these areas, we are not [00:20:36] talking about growth. [00:20:50] queues and so on, speaking of housing and communal services, yes, new services [00:20:53] where you can leave applications today, sometimes we just keep silent about it, but [00:20:57] the state does a huge job, thank you for this, and [00:21:01] to the Institute for Strategic Studies, that all these questions do not just remain [00:21:04] somewhere and work continues, it is also interesting to know [00:21:08] about the fact that the study covered all [00:21:11] regions, it is very interesting, are there differences between, for example, [00:21:15] residents of the capital, they always say, Minsk thinks differently, [00:21:19] you have it like that. we have it like that, but our head of state [00:21:22] always says that everyone should have equal conditions, access to [00:21:26] all resources, and tell us, are there these differences [00:21:30] between regional centers, residents of rural areas, the capital [00:21:33] in priority, level of perhaps satisfaction and so on, [00:21:37] yes, of course, certain differences exist, but for [00:21:40] all that, such differences are not [00:21:44] some, so to speak, resonant, [00:21:48] fundamental. urban [00:21:51] areas [00:21:59] do not exist, well, since I said that [00:22:02] certain differences, of course, exist, [00:22:06] residents of the capital, residents of large cities, [00:22:09] they are more critically minded towards [00:22:12] certain aspects of their life, towards certain [00:22:16] aspects. uh, [00:22:20] that characterize the development of this settlement. Rural residents [00:22:24] in this regard are more loyal. As [00:22:27] for the assessment of the quality of life, [00:22:30] the standard of living, well, for example, higher [00:22:34] ratings for these aspects [00:22:36] of activity were given by residents of the Grodno [00:22:39] region, but at the same time, when asked [00:22:43] how happy they feel, how satisfied they [00:22:46] are with their situation, [00:22:50] very high indicators were [00:22:52] demonstrated by residents of the Vitebsk region, this [00:22:56] reflects not only [00:23:00] the fact that our, our assessment [00:23:03] of everything or our assessments of everything that is happening are determined [00:23:06] by the level of wealth, there are many other factors here, in general, [00:23:10] if we talk about [00:23:12] the situation that is characteristic for the residents of the Republic of Belarus in [00:23:16] general and those critical assessments, positive [00:23:20] assessments, they are promptly communicated [00:23:22] to the government bodies, [00:23:26] recalling the previous question, I want to add [00:23:30] that the presentation that [00:23:33] is currently taking place thanks to you, for which many [00:23:36] thanks, it is not a single act, we [00:23:39] promptly inform about the results of the conducted [00:23:42] research to our government, and [00:23:46] this information becomes [00:23:50] widely available, thanks to the fact that [00:23:53] journalists are interested in the data of public [00:23:57] opinion polls, therefore the feedback [00:24:00] works in those directions [00:24:04] that you mentioned, the growth [00:24:07] of satisfaction with the work of trade [00:24:11] facilities, with opportunities for [00:24:14] leisure activities, this is also a consequence of the fact that [00:24:17] local authorities respond to those [00:24:20] moments of dissatisfaction, to those moments that [00:24:24] are problematic, they are not points of application of effort, [00:24:27] and such [00:24:30] communication enables us [00:24:34] to develop further, the Day of National [00:24:36] Unity is approaching, it is very interesting how the intersection of interests of different [00:24:40] groups of the Belarusian population, we talked with you about the gender composition, [00:24:43] age composition, different regions, [00:24:46] how does the intersection of interests help strengthen. [00:25:20] our surveys do not record any differences, not [00:25:24] just fundamental, but even significant differences in the assessment of certain [00:25:27] aspects of our life between men and women, between [00:25:31] urban and rural residents, between those who live in large [00:25:35] cities and regional centers, [00:25:38] yes, between age groups, certain differences [00:25:42] certainly exist, but these differences are precisely the basis for [00:25:45] concentrating [00:25:48] to a greater extent certain [00:25:51] directions, efforts of either the state [00:25:54] as a whole, or local authorities, on some key [00:25:58] issues related to, somewhere with the improvement of cities, somewhere with [00:26:01] the equipping of leisure places, [00:26:05] somewhere with the creation of new jobs, [00:26:08] when we talk about the general [00:26:11] consolidation of society, about unity, I [00:26:15] believe we can safely say that this tradition, [00:26:18] the tradition, [00:26:22] the tradition of working together, the tradition of celebrating [00:26:25] holidays together, free time, [00:26:28] this tradition is those deep foundations, [00:27:32] an example of how through [00:27:35] creation one can build the future, well, that's precisely [00:27:39] about the future, our traditional forecast, with [00:27:42] each guest we try to predict what [00:27:45] Belarusian society will look like in 5 years, in terms of [00:27:48] sociology, it is very interesting, in your opinion, in 5 years, what will [00:27:52] sociology look like, yes, when a new survey will be conducted, what [00:27:56] challenges might we face during this time and perhaps what new [00:27:59] values might come to the forefront, well, now we practically at [00:28:03] each of our current microphones talk about the challenge [00:28:06] of artificial intelligence, the possibility when it penetrates our [00:28:10] lives even more, and values may change somehow, so your [00:28:13] short lightning forecast, [00:28:17] well, I will try to present my reflections on this topic, regarding [00:28:21] sociology, our institute actively [00:28:25] works, attracts and invites young [00:28:28] specialists, graduates of relevant specialties, we have [00:28:31] sociologists and political scientists [00:28:34] and those university graduates who [00:28:38] studied other specialties, therefore, in relation to [00:28:42] the development trend [00:28:45] for the continuation of such [00:28:48] research, here I look to the future with absolute [00:28:52] optimism, a hardworking team, talented [00:28:55] researchers who are united by a common [00:28:58] idea and a desire to work for the good of the country, for the good... [00:29:32] very important here is a trivial [00:29:35] thing, but working with people's minds, working with public consciousness, with [00:29:38] individual consciousness, what we are doing now, the challenges of artificial [00:29:42] intelligence, undoubtedly, very serious [00:29:45] challenges, demographic challenges are very serious, but I think [00:29:49] that those priorities that the state [00:29:53] positions as the most important for [00:29:57] strengthening our country, for the development of Belarusian [00:30:00] statehood, they... [00:31:03] this will undoubtedly ensure that we fulfill not only the plans [00:31:06] for socio-economic development, but also further successful [00:31:10] development and maintenance of peace and well-being of our citizens. Thank you [00:31:13] for your answers. [00:32:15] question, thank you, the question is serious, the question [00:32:17] is professional, therefore I want to thank [00:32:21] the respected listener for their attention, for [00:32:25] such a very [00:32:27] reasonable approach, uh, 2000 [00:32:31] respondents, we surveyed a little over 2,000 respondents, [00:32:34] this is a sufficient volume of the sample to [00:32:38] be able to discuss the [00:32:41] results that [00:32:45] we are presenting. With your permission, I will not [00:32:48] delve into the calculation methodology, although I can [00:32:51] present it, this [00:32:53] corresponds [00:32:56] to the practices that are implemented not only [00:32:59] in our institute, the sample size of up to [00:33:03] 2,000 people is representative [00:33:07] to draw such conclusions, as [00:33:09] for parts one, two, [00:33:13] three, well... [00:34:15] The Institute of Sociology conducts surveys throughout the country, exactly, [00:34:19] three very interesting questions came from the regions, [00:34:22] here is a call from Mozyr, [00:34:26] do you plan to conduct a social survey only [00:34:29] regionally, for example, in the Gomel region, [00:34:32] given that there are the most Chernobyl spots there, [00:34:36] the land is being revived, [00:34:39] and maybe it raises relevant questions [00:34:42] like that, because well, maybe this is... in April [00:34:46] days, it's up to you to decide? Dear Elena [00:34:49] Nikolaevna, dear listeners, the Institute [00:34:53] of Sociology, [00:34:56] for already, I can confidently say, several [00:35:00] decades, since the early 2000s and [00:35:03] even earlier, actually, soon after [00:35:06] the accident at [00:35:10] the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, Belarusian sociologists [00:35:13] drew attention to this [00:35:45] problem as a comprehensive problem, and it was [00:35:48] shown that [00:35:51] the consequences of the Chernobyl accident are not [00:35:55] only that the territories are contaminated, not only that [00:35:58] there is colossal economic damage, the scale [00:36:01] of which cannot be accurately calculated, it is also [00:36:04] a social catastrophe, [00:36:08] socio-demographic, socio-psychological, [00:36:11] and we conduct such studies constantly, the topic [00:36:15] of Chernobyl territories is in the focus of attention of our sociologists, specialized [00:36:18] conferences are held, and we [00:36:21] conduct such studies constantly, and we also [00:36:25] present the results of such studies. [00:36:28] and as [00:36:30] for [00:36:33] the conduct of regional studies in general, within [00:36:37] the framework of our current study, we talk and can talk [00:36:40] in more detail about the situation that is characteristic of individual [00:36:44] regions, for certain territories, we truly [00:36:47] represent the population of the entire country, and last but not least, in [00:36:50] Gomel there are wonderful professors [00:36:53] Kiriyenko, works at the university. [00:37:27] and where else can we be cautious? [00:37:30] two, two interesting ideas, from Grodno and from [00:37:33] Vitebsk. Grodno, says, I listened yesterday to a report from [00:37:37] the presentation of your social research, I think it [00:37:40] took place at Belexpo, he even knows where. How do you like this [00:37:43] idea: to survey the border regions? [00:37:47] Uh, so, many live not far from the Baltics, [00:37:51] many live not far from Poland, how do they live, what [00:37:54] would they like to change? Here is one such. Answering this [00:37:58] question, indeed, we [00:38:01] study and need to study not only the population [00:38:05] of the country as a whole, in the context of individual regions, there is [00:38:09] a wide range of topics for individual special studies, as [00:38:13] for the topic of border regions, [00:38:16] there was a, well, it continues to exist, school [00:38:20] for studying border regions at Grodno State [00:38:23] University Minyanki [00:41:06] for studying [00:41:09] the topic, the role of women, [00:41:13] this topic is being studied by us quite [00:41:16] actively, in particular, [00:41:19] our institute on October 29-30 [00:41:22] is holding a large conference, this is the sixth international [00:41:26] conference, [00:41:40] in the life of modern society, its priorities, values [00:41:44] and a number of other issues, [00:41:48] therefore, for example, taking [00:41:51] the opportunity to be here, I will emphasize once again, please [00:41:55] pay attention to the website of the Institute of Sociology, where you can [00:41:58] find information about this event, I invite everyone who is [00:42:02] interested to participate, to attend, to come, [00:42:04] to be at this event, as [00:42:08] for demography itself, of course... this is a complex question, [00:42:11] and I want to say that in our [00:42:14] study, we also paid attention [00:42:17] to a number of aspects of this topic, we [00:42:21] asked respondents the question, how many [00:42:23] children would you like to have or already have, [00:42:27] the second question, how many children would you like to have if [00:42:31] your conditions, material conditions, would significantly [00:42:34] change, what I want to say is, the preference [00:42:38] is for two children. [00:42:48] in real-life conditions, about 12% of respondents said that they [00:42:52] have or would like to have two children, [00:42:55] if the conditions were different, [00:42:58] 22% named three children, [00:43:01] how to evaluate this fact? on the one hand, yes, of course, we can [00:43:04] talk about a certain reserve, 10% of the population [00:43:08] they, with... the direction [00:44:11] we are also working on, studying the opinions [00:44:14] of people, their moods in order to [00:44:17] provide relevant information to state administration bodies. Two more questions, [00:44:21] please, very interesting ones, and where can one find the full [00:44:24] list of questions, answers, will it [00:44:27] be published on your website, [00:44:31] and this is also from Vitebsk, they called, [00:44:34] so, maybe, conduct a survey among [00:44:37] the elderly, are they satisfied with the level? [00:44:40] of pensions, do they work in their specialty, if [00:44:43] they work after graduation, they proposed this [00:44:46] topic, well, in continuation, [00:44:49] a woman slightly disagrees with you, [00:44:53] so, you said [00:44:56] that when the question was asked, how [00:44:59] do you want to live, earn more, so that you earn [00:45:02] more, work more, or on the contrary not work, so that you have more [00:45:06] free time, there was such a question, I think, you had it, right? So [00:45:09] here. she says: so what, she says, to ask, [00:45:13] it is clear that this young generation, it is already provided for by [00:45:16] the older generation, they have apartments, they have [00:45:20] cars, so they, of course, can not work, and [00:45:23] relax, so it is, also, so [00:46:40] Therefore, when we talk about what to do next, we [00:46:43] focus on the need for [00:46:46] systematic and comprehensive work, and here [00:46:49] that work plays a very important role. that work. [00:47:52] in printed media you can find this information in newspapers, [00:47:56] we are actively working with journalists, so this [00:48:00] information is brought to the attention of everyone who [00:48:03] might be interested, it is in open access in [00:48:07] the space, our media works [00:57:41] The West, Milosevic said, is a chained rabid dog that will [00:57:44] always bite your throat, it has a life. [00:58:17] which they provoked, the war in Chechnya, which they sponsored, [00:58:21] to finish, to finish, to destroy, we hate, it doesn't [00:58:24] matter, it is hateful to them by itself, they cannot [00:58:28] allow it, because sooner or later their people will say, maybe [00:58:32] we will [00:58:32] try that,