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[00:00:00] roads throughout the Minsk region, the scope of work for each season is very
[00:00:03] extensive, so in the very near future we will see if we managed
[00:00:07] to work on that same discipline at
[00:00:09] local level. The food
[00:00:13] security of the entire country depends on the effectiveness of the harvesting campaign.
[00:00:17] The State Control Committee inspected the farms of the Dobrushsky district
[00:00:20] and there were some shortcomings. At the request of the
[00:00:23] committee, all violations were
[00:00:47] the Belarusian hinterland to find out how former
[00:00:50] urban residents live
[00:00:52] there.
[00:00:54] She and her husband had no plans at all to move to the village and engage in
[00:00:58] grape cultivation.
[00:01:32] The eldest son did not understand his parents and stayed to live in
[00:01:36] the city. Why do you need this, the village, you are always tied
[00:01:39] to this, a little later it turned out that there was
[00:01:42] another very serious problem: we don't have a road, we
[00:01:46] can't deliver feed, we can't bring hay, we can't
[00:01:50] bring straw, because the road is simply washed away, the road
[00:01:53] consists of clay. Despite everything, they believe in a bright
[00:01:57] future and arrange their life. Watch in the
[00:02:00] project I am from the village on Belarus
[00:02:04] 24
[00:02:05] TV channel.
[00:02:10] Minsk - a capital city, but not
[00:02:13] bustling, modern, but preserving
[00:02:16] the memory of centuries, dynamic at the same time
[00:02:20] cozy. This is a city where history breathes in
[00:02:24] unison with the future. It amazes with its spaciousness
[00:02:27] and scope and monumentality.
[00:02:32] The majestic and strict ensemble of post-war
[00:02:35] revival, this is the calling card
[00:02:38] of the city, here one can feel the breath of a great
[00:02:41] history,
[00:02:50] but one has only to turn off the wide avenue, and you find yourself in
[00:02:54] a completely different, intimate and lyrical
[00:02:57] Minsk. Cozy courtyards. historical
[00:03:00] quarters, the whisper of the Svislach river, and
[00:03:04] also Minsk - an incredibly green city, this
[00:03:07] is a place where it's easy to breathe, everyone will find their own corner for
[00:03:11] relaxation. Minsk is not only
[00:03:15] postcard views. It is a cultural and theatrical
[00:03:18] capital with a bustling life. It is a business
[00:03:21] and scientific hub where the IT technologies
[00:03:25] of the future are born.
[00:03:27] It is sporty, eventful. always ready
[00:03:31] to surprise,
[00:03:40] but the main treasure of Minsk is its residents,
[00:03:44] friendly, hospitable and welcoming,
[00:03:48] they create that special, kind and safe
[00:03:51] atmosphere that makes the city truly
[00:03:55] homely, different, unexpected,
[00:03:58] attractive. Come and discover it for yourself.
[00:04:24] Hello, today we have a not quite ordinary program, there will be
[00:04:27] communication with experts in the studio and...
[00:05:00] the USSR leadership decided to start
[00:05:03] a liberation campaign. Well, let's immediately define, there is
[00:05:07] such a concept that the result of the unification
[00:05:10] of Belarus is simply, well... the geopolitical stars aligned
[00:05:14] geopolitical realities, and otherwise nothing would have happened.
[00:05:17] He who speaks of such things
[00:05:20] is simply completely illiterate
[00:05:24] historically, because from 1921, from
[00:05:27] the Treaty of Riga, and until the end of the thirties,
[00:05:31] the resistance of the Belarusian people did not stop for a single month, not for a single day, not for a single
[00:05:35] year, until 1925,
[00:05:38] it was armed partisan confrontation, after 1925...
[00:06:12] are not, let's say, in full
[00:06:15] format subjects of international law, when we talk about the Riga Peace,
[00:06:18] therefore, if we talk about us,
[00:06:21] we need to understand one thing: the Belarusian people considered this
[00:06:25] border unjust from the moment it was drawn on both sides
[00:06:28] of the border and did everything possible to eliminate this border. I am a project of September
[00:06:32] 17, my father is a Westerner, my mother is an Easterner, one of my
[00:06:36] grandfathers, mobilized as
[00:06:39] a reserve lieutenant in the Red Army,
[00:06:42] took part in the liberation campaign, my second grandfather set up a
[00:06:45] gate and met his own, if I'm not mistaken, Vyacheslav
[00:06:49] Viktorovich, your family was also cut alive on the 17th,
[00:06:53] or rather not on September 17th, but the Riga peace treaty, the language somehow
[00:06:56] doesn't turn, for me it's just the opposite, my mother is a Westerner, my father
[00:07:00] is an Easterner, so yes, if it weren't for the reunification in the autumn
[00:07:03] of 1939, then of course my parents might not
[00:07:06] have met either, respectively, it's unknown what their fate would have been, yes, my
[00:07:10] relatives and loved ones,
[00:08:05] the rights of national minorities were prescribed for free national and cultural
[00:08:08] development, but they did not observe this and actually from the first days introduced this policy of
[00:08:11] Polonization. But notice, this pressure, yes, first of all, it must
[00:08:15] be emphasized unequivocally that the socio-economic situation in Western
[00:08:18] Belarus was also very difficult for the majority of the population, yes, so,
[00:08:22] add to this difficult socio-economic situation also
[00:08:26] national oppression, when they try to reformat the self-awareness
[00:08:29] of people, Belarusians, yes, to remake them into Poles, add to this also
[00:08:32] confessional oppression, it is clear that Poland used primarily
[00:08:36] the Catholic church, which promoted the idea that if you are a Catholic, then you
[00:08:40] are a Pole, but the Orthodox Church Polonization. Where did the
[00:08:43] Polish Orthodox Church come from? In 1922 they declared an autocephalous church,
[00:08:47] from the 1930s the process of its Polonization began, today we
[00:08:50] observe in eastern Poland, therefore, hundreds of thousands
[00:08:54] of Orthodox Poles, where did they come from, this is the result of these things in
[00:08:58] relation to Belarusians and Ukrainians who lived there, so despite all
[00:09:01] this powerful oppression, the spirit of our people was not broken, this is
[00:09:05] clearly shown by those secret meetings that were held by the Polish
[00:09:08] authorities, with the governors of the four Western Belarusian voivodeships, at
[00:09:11] which it was stated that surveys show that even in the Vilna
[00:09:15] Voivodeship, where the Catholic population predominated, not
[00:09:18] every Catholic still considers himself a Pole, not to mention the Orthodox population,
[00:09:22] and what did they come up with then? They suggested to the central Polish authorities
[00:09:26] the voivodes from the territory of Western Belarus, they proposed
[00:09:29] to carry out the resettlement of the Belarusian population, to disperse it
[00:09:33] dispersedly, yes, in various regions of indigenous Poland, and to settle Western Belarus with
[00:09:36] Poles, and what was this? This was primarily the destruction
[00:09:40] of the unity of our people, you notice.
[00:10:12] He published it in his works, Brest historian Alexander Vabishchevich
[00:10:16] for the first time. According to this plan, 6 million
[00:10:20] people were supposed to be relocated to the territory of
[00:10:24] the west.
[00:10:55] an inevitable question, when we should return from the past to the present day, why
[00:10:58] is this holiday, September 17,
[00:11:02] so important to us today, Denis Vladimirovich? Well, first of all, the events of 1939
[00:11:06] and 2020 are just a trigger,
[00:11:09] the Polish question is just a trigger for those
[00:11:12] processes that we are proclaiming to the whole world today, that we are
[00:11:16] a united nation, and this unity we forged long before
[00:11:19] the events of 1921-1939, after all, there were also the 16th
[00:11:22] and 17th centuries, when in principle... and the same policy of Polonization
[00:11:26] was characteristic of our lands and the same forms of resistance, resistance
[00:11:30] to Uniatism, which was artificially imposed, resistance to national
[00:11:34] oppression, including, resistance in
[00:11:37] confessional matters took on very acute forms, so what it says is that today we live in a peaceful country,
[00:11:41] this is given to us by God, this is a right
[00:11:45] that our ancestors won, approaching the events of 2020,
[00:11:48] 2021, when by presidential decree this holiday became
[00:11:52] nationwide, we say not because we... are building
[00:11:55] a border with Poland, we are fighting so that 1921
[00:11:58] never happens again, so that the 16th century
[00:12:02] never happens again, this union, when in fact no one asked us, when the geopolitical
[00:12:06] card was played without the participation of Belarusians, or we were used, as
[00:12:09] in the 15th century, for example, in the same Lublin Union,
[00:12:13] when the so-called Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was formed, because
[00:12:16] well, in fact it was called differently, so we
[00:12:19] must do everything today so that this never happens
[00:12:22] again, so that without us no one... can divide,
[00:12:26] I will clarify, time makes us pragmatists, therefore, I
[00:12:29] recall a year ago the president gathered experts, historians, ideologists,
[00:12:33] then an interesting phrase, among other things, was heard, on
[00:12:37] this holiday, our president said then, we are not just talking
[00:12:41] about the historical reunification of a single nation, we are drawing
[00:12:44] conclusions, building the future on the experience of the past,
[00:12:48] it sounds beautiful, there's no arguing with that, from a practical point
[00:12:51] of view, what is it to build the future on the experience of the past?
[00:12:55] "We have lived for 80 years, more than 80 years since the 40s, under a peaceful
[00:12:58] sky, I never tire of repeating this thesis, that if our ancestors, with
[00:13:02] all their difficult economic situations, the global economic crisis
[00:13:06] and so on, simply understood that they had the opportunity to live under a peaceful
[00:13:09] sky for so many years, this would raise several
[00:13:13] generations of children, and these children, who are raised in
[00:13:17] a peaceful country, make plans for the future, then this in itself
[00:13:20] would probably be the main happiness for any Belarusian, and the fact that we
[00:13:24] today..."
[00:14:26] so, apologizing a little for my position, so that no one is
[00:14:29] offended, what is so wrong with us
[00:14:33] clearly, loudly and firmly defending our interests?
[00:14:37] This is, well, perhaps, for some, yes, it sounds offensive,
[00:14:40] harsh, and that we are starting from our own, I don't often, during
[00:14:44] discussions, I don't often, during discussions of current topical
[00:14:47] events, see speakers so emotionally
[00:14:51] charged, program participants, here we seem to be
[00:14:54] talking about... history, I see how each of you includes something personal, from
[00:14:58] this I conclude, Vyacheslav, that today it turns out that history is
[00:15:01] a battlefield, it has always been a battlefield at all
[00:15:05] times, today, perhaps we see it more broadly,
[00:15:09] because history is literally everywhere, it's in any
[00:15:12] Telegram channel, it's in any YouTube channel, it's on
[00:15:15] the TV screen, it's on the pages of newspapers, it's on the pages
[00:15:18] of books, history shapes our
[00:15:21] present, shapes our future, that's why... The role
[00:15:25] of historians now, people knowledgeable, people
[00:15:29] who know what they are saying, is especially important, it is very important
[00:15:33] that a historical fact is a fragment of reality, uh-huh, and we
[00:15:36] just need to understand.
[00:16:07] they started honoring those who killed our ancestors, those who
[00:16:11] burned our villages and hamlets, those who slaughtered our
[00:16:14] people, they were declared
[00:16:17] heroes, fighters for Poland's
[00:16:19] independence, I mean when in
[00:16:23] the Polish embassy at one time in my memory
[00:16:26] they honored the soldiers of the Home Army, I will just
[00:16:30] remind you that I don't know about central Poland, although
[00:16:33] I do know, but in our lands the Home Army from the end of 1944
[00:16:39] cooperated with the SS and SD, received weapons from them and took part in the pacification
[00:16:42] of the civilian population, and not Belarusian historians at all, but the German historian
[00:16:46] Bernhard Kiari once wrote in his works about how
[00:16:50] the action to strengthen Polishness in the eastern borderlands
[00:16:53] took place, this happened back in 1943, 1944, when we talk about the forest
[00:16:57] bur, we must understand that this is one of many, and
[00:17:00] that this process on our lands took place back in
[00:17:03] 1943-1944 years even during the occupation,
[00:18:07] about which we are doomed to talk more in this program, in this context, than about our other neighbors,
[00:18:11] so these neighbors, they are engaged in revision of history at the highest
[00:18:15] level and at the same time are increasing threats.
[00:18:18] Well, the Minister of National Defense of Poland
[00:18:22] Kosiniak-Kamysz, confidently reflects in an interview, his country's
[00:18:26] goal is to create a half-million army, despite
[00:18:29] the fact that today the strength of the Polish army is already considerable,
[00:18:32] 22,000. At the same time, it follows from the text of the interview that
[00:18:36] a separate country.
[00:19:07] but our Union State is built on respect for the principle of sovereignty of two
[00:19:11] states, therefore the Republic of Belarus in the modern world is one of
[00:19:14] the few and one of the few states that has real sovereignty, and what is
[00:19:18] that? It is a state that implements policies in
[00:19:21] the interests of its people and its state, and not at the dictation
[00:19:25] from outside, this is if we say so, yes, we have a union state, but we have sovereignty and our own vision
[00:19:28] is also present, on the other hand, I will note
[00:19:32] the fact, unfortunately,
[00:19:34] modernity shows that the Polish ruling elites. do not learn
[00:19:38] lessons from history, yes, they forget about those events that
[00:19:42] happened on the eve of the Second World War, who were then the
[00:19:45] main allies, how these allies treated the same Poland,
[00:19:49] now they are still oriented towards Great Britain, towards
[00:19:52] France, yes, I will illustrate, you continue, look, indeed, this
[00:19:56] Kosiniak, the Minister of Defense of Poland, says, and he
[00:19:59] boasts in an interview with the Rzeczpospolita newspaper, he says:
[00:20:02] Americans consider us and Germans
[00:20:05] the main states on the continent, leaders of the European
[00:20:09] security system, listen, about 100 years ago we could have heard something similar
[00:20:13] from Warsaw, well then we can read it now, then
[00:20:16] hear it, and what happened after a few years,
[00:20:19] a catastrophe, it managed to quarrel with all
[00:20:22] its neighbors, yes, hiding behind this Western pseudo-shield,
[00:20:26] which then failed it, therefore, the statements, what modern
[00:20:30] Polish politicians voice, well, they do not stand up to criticism from the point
[00:20:33] of view of common sense, yes, they should have understood and...
[00:22:06] unrelated to reality, they constantly dream of
[00:22:09] the past, project this past onto the present, onto
[00:22:13] the future, and at the same time do not see that this has, well, no,
[00:22:16] what are you fundamentally disagreeing with, you see, there is...
[00:23:59] the United States, using this resource, why does Poland need
[00:24:02] such an army? In reality, it's not
[00:24:06] only and not so much because of the threat, as they say, from the Russian
[00:24:09] Federation, Poland wants to become player number
[00:24:12] one on the continent and to pay
[00:24:15] for all historical humiliations, for the salt, for the pain, for...
[00:24:50] returned to the Polish state, settled by Poles again
[00:24:53] is part of the current Polish, we will return to this
[00:24:57] topic, Denis Vladimirovich, is there anything to add to this, well, only one
[00:25:00] problem, they want to do this at the expense of American money, which today is at
[00:25:04] the expense of American weapons, which today are spent in the Middle East,
[00:25:08] therefore, plans to build up the army are also associated with serious
[00:25:11] socio-economic consequences, everyone also understands this perfectly, but I
[00:25:15] want to draw attention to this, the beginning of the Second World War somehow
[00:25:19] throws a bridge. that even such a thought exists among
[00:25:22] our extremists abroad, that
[00:25:26] we invented 1939, attention, we Belarusians invented it to
[00:25:30] justify 1941, that is, you understand how the accents are shifted,
[00:25:33] let me remind you who actually unleashed the Second
[00:25:36] World War, the Munich Agreement, and in another way we call it the Munich
[00:25:40] conspiracy, where in fact the map of Europe was divided,
[00:25:44] Hitler's hands were untied, and these
[00:25:47] were the main conditions of the Second World War.
[00:26:02] Uh-huh, but especially since these territories, as they were part of Poland, so they remained and were,
[00:26:06] by the way, the first state that concluded a non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany
[00:26:10] in 1934, now Poles, almost
[00:26:14] louder than we Belarusians, are discussing the visit
[00:26:17] to Minsk of Trump's special envoy John Bolton, who met with
[00:26:21] Alexander Lukashenko not for the first time. First, let's recall a short
[00:26:25] fragment, and then talk about
[00:26:26] it.
[00:28:02] peaceful life and even after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Republic of Belarus
[00:28:06] is the only post-Soviet state that has not allowed armed
[00:28:09] clashes, that is, any bloody ones, that is, on its territory, this
[00:28:13] experience of leadership, yes, of such a state in such a difficult
[00:28:16] situation, of course it arouses interest from the West, the West, well, I mean
[00:28:20] the United States of America, the United States of America sees that these Western technologies,
[00:28:24] which they actively use to incite these zones of controlled
[00:28:27] chaos around the world, color revolutions, and the like in
[00:28:31] our state.
[00:28:34] they did not work, yes, based on this, having certain significant interests in terms
[00:28:37] of Belarus, the same potash that we have, which is needed for
[00:28:40] agriculture in the United States of America, they prefer
[00:28:44] to negotiate with the country that has real power on the territory of the Republic
[00:28:48] of Belarus, which has a mandate of trust
[00:28:51] of the people, repeatedly confirmed in presidential elections, yes
[00:28:55] and our president absolutely rightly says that we are open to cooperation
[00:28:58] with all parties, but on the basis of mutual respect, interest.
[00:32:45] we do not look, we analyze, Alexander Alexandrovich correctly pointed out that when
[00:32:48] we analyze modern Polish politics, we
[00:32:52] nevertheless clearly distinguish, we definitely know, and we see this everywhere,
[00:32:56] that an ordinary person in the USA, in London, in
[00:32:59] Paris, does not want war, that is, he doesn't need tanks,
[00:33:03] by the way, the same Kosiniak, who spoke about the half-million
[00:33:06] army, he literally stated on the eve in another
[00:33:09] interview that we have a problem, Poles don't want to
[00:33:13] fight, ordinary Poles.
[00:34:15] why he, as it were, has the opportunity to communicate directly with the president,
[00:34:18] clearly, transmitting there as some contact with
[00:34:22] Trump, precisely because, apparently, the American administration
[00:34:25] understood that it was impossible to set such a condition before Minsk,
[00:34:29] either us or Moscow, Denis Vladimirovich, is this right or wrong?
[00:34:33] You are right, and moreover, to tear Minsk away from Moscow is a long-standing dream, even
[00:34:37] starting from the events of 2020, because when with their sanctions
[00:34:40] they actually, as they themselves admit, strengthened the union of Belarus
[00:34:43] and Russia.
[00:35:32] After all, repeatedly improving relations, there were more than enough peace initiatives from Belarus, how many
[00:35:36] peace initiatives were there from Russia, there was a meeting between Putin and Tusk in
[00:35:39] 2009 in Gdansk, when they said let's leave history
[00:35:43] to historians, it was national.
[00:36:15] army, and also destroyed all enemy energy facilities in
[00:36:18] 6 weeks, he convinced them of this at a security conference in Kyiv,
[00:36:22] well, and the extremely frank speech of President
[00:36:25] Navrotskiy, of course.
[00:37:57] asked about what task is set before historical science, he always
[00:38:01] answers the same way: the task is one, give us an objective picture of the historical
[00:38:04] past. We, yes, that is, without distortion or falsification,
[00:38:07] consider all periods, yes, so, we did this, without
[00:38:11] deleting anything from our history, but we analyzed each historical
[00:38:14] period in terms of what was positive and what was negative for our
[00:38:18] ancestors, for our statehood at various stages
[00:38:21] of development, this is our strength, this is what we have formed such a historical
[00:38:25] concept, not at once, it's a long process.
[00:39:57] as carefully, in Belarusian, they say, they treat their
[00:40:00] history, because we, remembering that
[00:40:03] the Home Army in 1943 together with fascist
[00:40:07] Germany burned our villages in
[00:40:10] Grodno region, Latvians raged in Verkhnyadvinsk region,
[00:40:14] Lithuanians also contributed to Grodno region, Ukrainian national battalions
[00:40:17] participated in punitive expeditions in Belarus, and we have in Mogilev
[00:40:21] region such a monument, Lenino, instead of a place of military glory, fraternal
[00:40:24] glory, that is, the Soviet army and...
[00:40:38] those who are not blinkered, those who see this preservation of continuity, and we protect this memorial, and we
[00:40:42] honor this memory, and at the same time say that we build our
[00:40:46] policy on building some barriers with the Polish republic, well, this
[00:40:49] example, this specific example in Mogilev region, today
[00:40:52] speaks of something else, there a fence is being built, we
[00:40:56] are open, we show. our children, our students, here in
[00:40:59] Mogilev we conducted excursions there, showed this
[00:41:03] contribution of the peoples of Europe, those who were not
[00:41:06] blinkered, to the victory over Nazi Germany, what
[00:41:09] is very unpopular today among Polish politicians and not only Polish
[00:41:13] politicians, they have only one thing, Muscovites, Soviets, that's all, this is
[00:41:16] a terrible enemy, and that their ancestors fought against
[00:41:20] Nazism, liberating our territory of Belarus, they forget about that, there was
[00:41:24] such a great... historical
[00:41:49] science, as
[00:41:52] science, studies facts, as fragments of reality,
[00:41:56] distortion, historical falsifications, the dream of
[00:41:59] revenge, you know, this trauma
[00:42:03] of childhood, when, for example, someone was weak
[00:42:07] once, he dreamed his whole life that
[00:42:10] I would grow up and someone thinks that
[00:42:13] when a false aberration occurs,
[00:42:17] a false projection, for example, this
[00:42:20] is how I remember in the Literary Gazette, I think in 1990 I saw a caricature,
[00:42:24] when the same Teutonic
[00:42:27] knights are kneeling, either in the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, or in the Russian
[00:42:31] Duma, and asking for forgiveness for what they did not do, you understand,
[00:42:34] when we, but I am not talking about
[00:42:37] Belarusians, or anyone, creates an image...
[00:44:40] the priest was destroyed in a particularly cynical way during
[00:44:43] the occupation, what can be learned from
[00:44:47] Poles, they have on each, in each church, in
[00:44:50] which, well, when they moved from Volhynia, there are plaques hanging and
[00:44:54] all the victims of the same Banderite terror are listed, but
[00:44:58] we were very politically correct and kept silent about the fact that besides Khatyn, besides
[00:45:02] the burned Belarusian villages by Nazis, we
[00:45:05] can also compile a very mournful
[00:45:08] martyrology of destroyed farmsteads.
[00:46:52] What does September 17th teach us today, Denis
[00:46:55] Adinovich? It teaches us, first of all, that it is a holiday, indeed, from where we
[00:46:59] started, it is not anti-Polish, it is not a holiday
[00:47:02] of opposing ourselves to someone, it is our
[00:47:05] holiday, it is a holiday about peace, we are talking about
[00:47:09] the fact that today the unity of the people, which
[00:47:12] can be divided by different signs, that is,
[00:47:15] probable, as I say, improbable, yes, there white, red, whatever
[00:47:19] you want, if we are united, we truly.
[00:47:51] historical truth.
[00:48:02] This is actually very valuable, it shows that we treat ourselves
[00:48:05] consciously, our country consciously, its past,
[00:48:09] its present, we look into the future with hope for
[00:48:12] the best, not darkly, not despondently, it is
[00:48:16] love, peace of mind, peace, we wait and
[00:48:18] believe that it will happen, and we wait, well, not just like that, not suddenly. we
[00:48:22] understand that now we really need to fight for peace, which is what we are doing
[00:48:26] in fact, traditionally on the eve of national holidays, the president honors those
[00:48:29] who make Belarus better with their work and talent, there were also
[00:48:33] such words that very directly relate to the topic of our
[00:48:37] conversation, so it is definitely necessary to remember, please, time will pass,
[00:48:41] and we will truly,
[00:48:43] each in their own soul, in their own
[00:48:45] heart, appreciate the greatness
[00:48:48] of what happened among... last
[00:48:52] century, today we are a united
[00:48:55] nation, we, most importantly,
[00:48:58] today, here, in this
[00:49:01] hall, we are making a decision about the future of our
[00:49:04] country, I want to
[00:49:07] assure you that as president, whom you
[00:49:11] trust, and I see this from the latest data,
[00:49:15] I will do everything so that they never point
[00:49:19] a finger at us, and if they do...
[00:50:22] divided, because many of our unscrupulous
[00:50:26] elite representatives went to trade, as they say, their
[00:50:29] lands, in '39, and to this
[00:50:32] day our people demonstrate that you cannot be a national hero
[00:50:36] if you come in a foreign
[00:50:37] convoy,
[00:50:40] armed with a foreign force, and dream of
[00:50:44] humiliating your loved ones with
[00:50:46] foreign favors to try to command this people, so we are
[00:50:50] a country of heroes, not policemen, all...
[00:51:22] there will be no sovereignty, no peace, no tranquility,
[00:51:26] security, no positive future for our children,
[00:51:29] grandchildren and great-grandchildren, we must not forget this, thank you,
[00:51:32] thank you to our guests for this conversation about justice in history and
[00:51:36] unity in general, we are not saying goodbye to you, our viewers,
[00:51:40] in a couple of minutes from the studio Andrei Furtsev, and those who are not
[00:51:44] at peace with our history today, why do they want revenge, we'll talk about
[00:51:47] this and
[00:51:48] more.
[00:51:53] Andrei Fursov is with us, Andrei Ilyich, hello, as always, we are happy
[00:51:57] to have our new meeting, well,
[00:51:59] recently there were negotiations between representatives of the US
[00:52:03] administration, Putin, Zelensky. there was a phone call, then they talk
[00:52:07] about a possible three-party meeting now, possibly in
[00:52:09] the Emirates, there are many versions, everyone sees the end
[00:52:13] of the conflict in their own way, so in your opinion, Andrey Alevich, what is
[00:52:17] the main obstacle on the way to peace? Well,
[00:52:20] the main obstacle on the way to peace is the position
[00:52:24] of Europe, a certain part of the American
[00:52:26] establishment, who are not ready
[00:52:29] to satisfy Russia's main demand,
[00:52:33] to remove all those reasons. the initial, main ones that led
[00:52:36] to the conflict,
[00:52:39] because, for example, a truce and
[00:52:42] a reversal of the conflict does not solve this problem, especially
[00:52:45] since the Europeans have already said that in
[00:52:48] case of a truce, they will send troops
[00:52:51] to the territory of Ukraine, to which Lavrov has already
[00:52:55] explained that this will be and Putin explained that this will already
[00:52:58] be a war with Russia, that is,
[00:53:01] a truce does not give peace, real peace is needed.
[00:53:35] this will not happen again, real peace is needed with the elimination of the
[00:53:38] causes that led to it. This is the main obstacle
[00:53:42] on the way to peace, but on the other hand, for example,
[00:53:45] Europe does not need peace,
[00:53:49] by pumping, by pumping the atmosphere of such
[00:53:53] foreign policy tension, European
[00:53:56] pro-globalist, pro-Atlantic elites solve their problems,
[00:53:59] firstly, they allow
[00:54:02] capital to grow in the form of.
[00:54:05] and secondly, in this way they
[00:54:08] direct social
[00:54:11] tension outside their countries, despite the fact
[00:54:14] that this tension is of a completely
[00:54:17] enormous nature, we see this in different countries
[00:54:21] in different ways, from the latest, it is the fact
[00:54:24] that Scotland, Northern Ireland and even
[00:54:27] Wales are ready to hold a referendum on
[00:54:30] leaving Great Britain, this does not mean that they will win
[00:54:34] the... referendum, the last time Scotland could not,
[00:54:38] supporters of leaving Great Britain could not achieve
[00:54:42] the situation, but now the situation is different, now,
[00:54:45] firstly, er,
[00:54:49] Great Britain has left the European Union, Scotland, for example, does not
[00:54:52] want to leave the European Union and Northern Ireland wants to stay there, and
[00:54:56] secondly, they do not want to be hostages
[00:54:59] of two such political courses of the British
[00:55:02] leadership, this is the course for war.
[00:55:05] in Europe, the second is the course for replacing
[00:55:08] the local population
[00:55:11] with migrants, it has already come to the point that, in my opinion, he
[00:55:14] is a Pakistani, he holds some, so to speak,
[00:55:17] administrative and political position in Scotland, just the other day he,
[00:55:21] speaking officially, said that, what kind of business is this in
[00:55:24] Scotland, there are no governors, so
[00:55:28] to speak, and no white ones, all white, well, that is,
[00:55:31] it is absolutely clear that people in Scotland, Ireland
[00:56:05] are very good, Andreyvich, with such attitudes, this
[00:56:09] real peace, as you said, and I will add a long-term peace,
[00:56:12] is it in principle possible,
[00:56:15] well, theoretically everything is possible, but as comrade
[00:56:19] Stalin taught, there is a logic of intentions, and there is a logic
[00:56:22] of circumstances, and the logic of circumstances is stronger than the logic
[00:56:25] of intentions, I think that the final point in all
[00:56:28] this should be put by victory in
[00:56:31] the war, but again here I think...
[00:58:17] the situation from the thirties, look,
[00:58:20] 10-15 years ago no one could
[00:58:23] have predicted that the leader of the Federal Republic
[00:58:27] of Germany would say the phrase: Hitler's
[00:58:30] regime is better than the AfD, because Hitler
[00:58:33] expressed the interests of the German people, that
[00:58:36] is, according to Merz, everything that Hitler did was in
[00:58:39] the interests of not capitalists, German, but the German
[00:58:43] people. 30% of Italians, according to polls.
[00:58:47] are ready to say to accept a fascist regime like
[00:58:50] Mussolini, that is, Europe is sharply
[00:58:54] right-wing, it is clear why European
[00:58:58] elites need such a right-wing
[00:59:00] turn of the population
[00:59:04] to prepare for a possible war, therefore the current
[00:59:07] situation, despite the fact that all historical analogies always have
[00:59:10] an external character, but the current situation really
[00:59:13] resembles the end of the thirties, I remind you that...
[00:59:17] that at the end of the thirties Roosevelt did everything to
[00:59:21] provoke a conflict in Europe, he needed this,
[00:59:24] firstly, in order to finally solve the problems of the United States,
[00:59:28] because the lauded new course New Deal
[00:59:31] of Roosevelt, it did not achieve, I cannot say that it failed, but it did not
[00:59:35] achieve its goals, the goals of pulling
[00:59:39] America out of the crisis of 1929-1932 were solved only
[00:59:42] by the Second World War. By the way, Roosevelt began to use the term
[00:59:46] world war six months before Hitler, and
[00:59:49] today it's like a repetition,
[00:59:53] the same Trump, he creates
[00:59:56] a situation, pumps weapons into Europe,
[00:59:59] the same thing was done, by the way, by American corporations, they
[01:00:02] pumped weapons into Europe, and Germany,
[01:00:06] by the way, and the Soviet Union, the United States participated in Soviet
[01:00:09] industrialization, and there was a military aspect too, that is, it also
[01:00:13] resembles the alarming end of the thirties.