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[00:00:00] The experts are working on the type of
[00:00:03] technologies will also evidently be something to take into
[00:00:06] account. Thank you very much, Madam President. If you could also explain
[00:00:10] in more detail what are the scientific
[00:00:12] conditions, what are the conditions eh to
[00:00:15] consider that yes, in certain states like
[00:00:18] Coahuila and why
[00:00:20] interested sectors, in not in states like Tampico?
[00:00:23] Well, Veracruz mainly and the
[00:00:26] southern part of Tamaulipas, eh.
[00:00:30] First, the type of
[00:00:31] ecosystems,
[00:00:34] the population there, which are densely populated areas
[00:00:38] and
[00:00:41] it was considered that due to environmental and social conditions, according
[00:00:45] to what the experts explained to us, that
[00:00:48] area should prohibit the exploitation of unconventional
[00:00:51] gas and start analyzing
[00:00:55] in the other
[00:00:57] basins and yes, but I don't know if you want to
[00:01:01] talk about this, Doctor, or Leti,
[00:01:03] Doctora
[00:01:08] no, thanks for the question and and thanks for the President's
[00:01:12] sensitivity. It was suggested to prohibit
[00:01:16] exploitation in Tampico Misantla because it is, as the
[00:01:19] President said, a densely
[00:01:22] populated area, an area where there is a high indigenous presence,
[00:01:26] in addition to Veracruz and Tamaulipas. This
[00:01:30] includes the Huasteca in San Luis Potosí, the Sierra, part of the northern Sierra of
[00:01:34] Puebla, this population that
[00:01:37] depends highly on the territory, that
[00:01:39] has a millennial occupation of the
[00:01:44] conclusion of territory, this and well, these territories have high
[00:01:48] environmental, social, cultural value, so that's why we
[00:01:52] made this suggestion,
[00:01:55] and we are very happy that it was accepted
[00:01:58] by the President. Thank
[00:02:00] you very much,
[00:02:03] Madam President, was all the
[00:02:06] international experience on this
[00:02:08] matter analyzed? Yes, I don't know if anyone wants to comment, if the
[00:02:12] international experience was analyzed, go ahead.
[00:02:25] Yes, of course, the best practices of the
[00:02:29] main countries
[00:02:32] in that have developed this type of
[00:02:35] exploitation were analyzed, mainly, of course, the United
[00:02:38] States, Canada and Argentina,
[00:02:41] mainly, and and, let's say, the last
[00:02:45] years, which would be the last 5 years, to see the
[00:02:49] innovations that have been made in this
[00:02:52] matter, especially technically, and the
[00:02:55] innovations that have been made to be able
[00:02:57] to consider this. let's say the last
[00:03:01] few years
[00:03:03] and the innovations that have been made.
[00:03:06] Thank you very much, finally on this topic,
[00:03:09] Madam President, I would like to ask if there are environmental risks due to experimental
[00:03:12] drilling to search for this saltwater, and in case
[00:03:16] it is extracted, if there are also environmental risks in case
[00:03:20] it is drilled and not found.
[00:03:23] Good, good morning again, let's see, no,
[00:03:32] continue to accompany appropriate technologies
[00:03:34] these drillings, which we call exploratory
[00:03:39] just drillings, are not risky in any way, they
[00:03:41] are wells that are made
[00:03:44] basin no, in not to extract any type of fluid at the moment, simply to study the geology, the geological
[00:03:48] formations at depth, to reach saltwater, take some samples
[00:03:52] support, we'll and analyze the characteristics that saltwater entails, some
[00:03:54] extraction tests are carried out to
[00:03:58] determine hydraulic characteristics. but basically during
[00:04:01] drilling, the intervals of the aquifers
[00:04:05] that represent the primordial sources of drinking water are
[00:04:09] sealed, so that, let's say, from the mechanical process of drilling the
[00:04:12] well, these formations are sealed and integrity is given to the
[00:04:16] shallow formations and the bottom formations are
[00:04:19] studied, once it is determined that there is saltwater and its
[00:04:23] characteristics, a decision will be made on whether
[00:04:27] that exploratory well is closed or adapted
[00:04:30] as a well to Thank
[00:04:34] you very much, Madam President, if you allow me, on another
[00:04:38] topic, I would like to ask about the rights of the audiences, Madam President,
[00:04:42] we consider it
[00:04:45] 70% of fundamental to highlight the
[00:04:46] of 40 molecules, disinformation campaign that has surrounded this consultation, it is also
[00:04:50] very relevant to emphasize that in its own documents, the
[00:04:54] Chamber of the Radio and Television Industry unprecedentedly
[00:04:58] recognizes that these guidelines do not constitute
[00:05:02] an act of censorship, contrary to what has been
[00:05:05] disseminated in various spaces. Textually, Madam President, the CIRT
[00:05:08] in its statement says that it understands that the
[00:05:12] position of the telecommunications regulatory commission is
[00:05:16] not to censor, furthermore, the chamber itself
[00:05:19] added that they understand and support the regulatory
[00:05:23] mandate to advance on issues of audience
[00:05:26] protection, eh, therefore, beyond the
[00:05:29] noise generated by
[00:05:33] confrontation and even by some media, a
[00:05:36] unique moment of convergence would be opening
[00:05:40] up for the benefit of people who consume
[00:05:43] radio and television content, in this
[00:05:46] context, Madam President, eh, how could this
[00:05:50] recognition from the Sirt contribute to consolidating, for the first
[00:05:53] time in the recent history of the country, a true
[00:05:57] agenda in favor of the rights of
[00:06:00] audiences, of the recognition that they are human
[00:06:03] rights and that many times they have not been respected
[00:06:07] and have been violated? If you agree, we
[00:06:10] are going to dedicate today's conference to this
[00:06:13] topic,
[00:06:16] eh, this, we have already talked two days or three days about this
[00:06:20] topic, and there is a lot of debate,
[00:06:24] eh, this public consultation, the guidelines of the
[00:06:27] commission and
[00:06:30] the objective is to guarantee the rights of the audiences and as you rightly
[00:06:34] say, the very chamber of the radio and television
[00:06:37] industry has recognized, because it even
[00:06:40] agreed when the law was voted,
[00:06:44] so if you agree, today there will be several meetings, not only with the
[00:06:48] chamber but with other groups,
[00:06:52] so we will wait until next week for there to be a
[00:06:57] or this same week maybe tomorrow and if
[00:07:00] not next week of what the
[00:07:04] final guidelines would be, from
[00:07:07] then on the debate can continue without problem, if you
[00:07:10] agree, thank you very much.
[00:07:17] Let's see, on the topic, the colleague behind me
[00:07:20] and then Liz over here after, good morning
[00:07:24] to all, I am your servant Carlos Pozos, from
[00:07:27] my channel lormolécula, my first question would be if with
[00:07:31] this study the scientists
[00:07:34] can now say that your
[00:07:37] campaign promise of not using
[00:07:41] fracking in the extraction of natural gas is being fulfilled, yes,
[00:07:45] I never said it in the campaign as such, what we have
[00:07:48] always stated
[00:07:50] is that what we are looking for is
[00:07:54] energy sovereignty guaranteeing
[00:07:57] minimum environmental impacts,
[00:08:01] that is the and social
[00:08:04] justice, ultimately that is what we call
[00:08:07] sustainable development,
[00:08:09] it
[00:08:12] is economic development, with social
[00:08:15] justice and environmental
[00:08:18] protection. So, within the
[00:08:22] framework of energy sovereignty,
[00:08:25] to avoid becoming increasingly
[00:08:28] dependent on foreign countries, we
[00:08:31] have publicly opened up the
[00:08:35] possibility of using unconventional gas in certain areas
[00:08:38] of the country, where social justice and
[00:08:42] environmental impacts are guaranteed.
[00:08:45] Where? Well, for now it has already been said in the
[00:08:48] Tampico Misantla and no, we will
[00:08:51] put it, we are going to decree that in that
[00:08:57] the others it is feasible yes no, first
[00:09:00] of all, we have to see if there is saltwater in the
[00:09:03] subsoil before anything
[00:09:05] else and see the feasibility of even
[00:09:09] if there is gas,
[00:09:12] while that happens we cannot say if we continue to advance, that's
[00:09:16] why we go step by step and in this step
[00:09:19] is eh
[00:09:22] to guarantee that these
[00:09:25] premises are met.
[00:09:28] Now,
[00:09:33] we already consume
[00:09:35] unconventional gas.
[00:09:42] The... 70%
[00:09:45] of the gas consumed
[00:09:46] in Mexico, this light we have
[00:09:50] here today,
[00:09:53] if we take it on average,
[00:09:58] the light that illuminates us in this
[00:10:00] room comes from unconventional
[00:10:02] gas,
[00:10:05] only not from Mexico, but from the United
[00:10:07] States. That is something
[00:10:11] fundamental.
[00:10:14] And many of them are
[00:10:16] with
[00:10:20] practices from a long
[00:10:23] time ago that do not record everything
[00:10:26] we are considering now, so we
[00:10:30] already consume it, only it is imported,
[00:10:34] so within the framework of energy sovereignty, what should
[00:10:38] we do responsibly? Protect communities, protect
[00:10:41] people, protect the environment and see
[00:10:45] if new technologies, new ones, because there is a lot of
[00:10:48] scientific and technological development on this topic, allow
[00:10:52] us to produce unconventional gas in Mexico, in certain
[00:10:56] areas, now what do they tell us, before that,
[00:10:59] make sure that you are going to take advantage of renewable
[00:11:02] energy sources, that you are not going to burn gas
[00:11:05] into the atmosphere,
[00:11:07] that you are also going to seek the exploitation of conventional
[00:11:10] gas in Mexico, that you are going
[00:11:13] to use energy efficiently, so that is what we are putting
[00:11:17] at your disposal
[00:11:19] today,
[00:11:21] and a fundamental part that has been
[00:11:26] the framework of Mexico's history
[00:11:29] is sovereignty, and sovereignty
[00:11:33] requires energy sovereignty, at
[00:11:35] least
[00:11:38] to prevent us from becoming increasingly dependent
[00:11:41] on foreign
[00:11:43] countries, that is a goal of all countries in the
[00:11:46] world,
[00:11:49] look now, if the Dos Bocas refinery
[00:11:52] had not been built,
[00:11:55] we would be depending on imported gasoline
[00:11:57] at a time when
[00:12:00] there is a shortage
[00:12:03] of imported gasoline in the world due to the conflict in
[00:12:07] Iran, how have Japan,
[00:12:11] South Korea, in short, many
[00:12:15] countries, India,
[00:12:17] fared, because it is not as readily
[00:12:21] available as before, so the same, it is
[00:12:25] viability for Mexico in the long term, guaranteeing
[00:12:28] increasingly energy sovereignty,
[00:12:31] like renewable energy sources, using increasingly
[00:12:34] efficient energy, guaranteeing the
[00:12:37] country's development, guaranteeing well-being
[00:12:41] and seeing other sources guaranteeing minimum
[00:12:44] environmental impacts. Eh, as a second question,
[00:12:48] Madam President, Mexico has 181
[00:12:52] flare sites or... gas
[00:12:55] flares, mainly in the states of Tabasco, Veracruz and
[00:12:59] Tamaulipas, simply the Perdiz field in
[00:13:02] Veracruz burned 559 million
[00:13:05] cubic meters,
[00:13:08] eh, would there be an estimate of
[00:13:11] when Mexico, Pemex could stop having
[00:13:15] these sites eliminated, these, they presented it here, now,
[00:13:19] yes, the first
[00:13:21] slides.
[00:13:27] Go ahead, go ahead,
[00:13:30] go ahead, go ahead,
[00:13:32] go ahead, go ahead,
[00:13:36] more,
[00:13:37] more, more,
[00:13:41] more,
[00:13:44] there is a slide that says, then, before
[00:13:47] let's see,
[00:13:50] before,
[00:13:53] where is the slide that says. that then comes after
[00:13:56] let's see, I saw
[00:13:58] it
[00:14:04] now
[00:14:11] what the experts tell
[00:14:14] us
[00:14:16] is, if we do nothing and continue
[00:14:20] importing
[00:14:22] gas, we will consume in
[00:14:25] 2030, oh well, this is in
[00:14:27] percentage, this growth
[00:14:31] 10 point 10.8 billion
[00:14:35] cubic feet of gas,
[00:14:38] if renewable energy sources are used in 22,000 MW, which
[00:14:41] is a very important figure,
[00:14:45] the burning in the flares you mentioned
[00:14:49] will be reduced and a portion of conventional gas
[00:14:53] will be exploited.
[00:14:56] Or well, and energy is used efficiently, rather without
[00:15:00] conventional gas, that is, we would reduce
[00:15:04] gas in this
[00:15:05] little bit,
[00:15:09] and if we increase conventional gas and well, it would increase
[00:15:13] here, in any case we would no longer depend
[00:15:16] 75% on imported gas, but we
[00:15:19] would depend 50%, in other words,
[00:15:23] with all the measures
[00:15:26] they propose, we would go
[00:15:29] from depending on the United States
[00:15:32] for 75% of the gas we consume today to
[00:15:36] 50%.
[00:15:38] If we still want to reduce
[00:15:40] that 50%, well
[00:15:43] then we have to think about
[00:15:46] unconventional gas, in a responsible
[00:15:49] way.
[00:15:53] My third and last question, Madam President, eh, to know
[00:15:57] if the scientists present here
[00:16:00] eh have knowledge of what
[00:16:04] has been talked about for many years, which is the straw
[00:16:08] effect in the Burgos area,
[00:16:11] is that extraction by the United States
[00:16:15] still ongoing through the straw
[00:16:18] effect in the Burgos area?
[00:16:22] Does anyone want to comment?
[00:16:37] Yes. We are talking about the straw effect for unconventional
[00:16:39] wells, yes, no, I mean, the
[00:16:43] point is that for unconventional wells,
[00:16:47] eh, it must be remembered that to obtain the
[00:16:51] hydrocarbon, it is necessary to stimulate the
[00:16:53] reservoir, that is, to fracture it, eh, it
[00:16:57] would not be
[00:17:01] this, in this case, the
[00:17:04] well would have to be drilled
[00:17:08] in Mexican territory,
[00:17:11] that is, in this case, in U.S.
[00:17:14] territory, and
[00:17:17] this would not
[00:17:20] have to be, it could not
[00:17:24] be done towards the U.S. towards Mexico,
[00:17:27] because this and the fracturing would have to have the
[00:17:31] facilities on this side of Mexico, no, no, it's not
[00:17:34] possible, that is, it would have
[00:17:37] here the consequences, let's say, of
[00:17:41] any superficial part, that is,
[00:17:44] it would have to have facilities and everything
[00:17:47] on this side of Mexico, no, no, well, thank
[00:17:51] you very much, that is,
[00:17:55] it is important to say,
[00:17:57] sorry, many times, many of us
[00:18:00] opposed unconventional gas, because it is important
[00:18:04] to say it, what changes,
[00:18:10] because the technologies that were used 10, 15
[00:18:14] years ago when unconventional
[00:18:17] gas started, used, perhaps the doctor
[00:18:21] can tell us the technological change,
[00:18:24] used very
[00:18:26] harmful chemicals,
[00:18:29] used fresh water, did not
[00:18:32] recycle water, today there
[00:18:35] are even biodegradable
[00:18:37] chemicals, so the way unconventional gas was
[00:18:41] done, many more wells were done than
[00:18:45] are done now because there are other types of techniques,
[00:18:47] so what allows us today
[00:18:51] to evaluate unconventional gas in a different way, than 15,
[00:18:55] than 10 years ago, well, new technologies
[00:18:58] have been developed, we are going to do it, well, we are going
[00:19:02] to start seeing if there is water, if there is gas before
[00:19:05] anything else and that the experts
[00:19:10] us to guarantee, when we see
[00:19:13] if it is technically viable to do it,
[00:19:16] to consult with the communities in the
[00:19:20] area and at the same time guarantee that
[00:19:23] technologies are being used that do not have the
[00:19:27] environmental impacts of before, I don't know if you want to comment
[00:19:30] anything regarding the
[00:19:31] changes, for example, of what is used.
[00:19:36] Thanks. Madam President, good
[00:19:39] morning, I am Omar Arellano from the National School of Earth Sciences of the
[00:19:43] UNAM, eh, I am going to talk, I was in the
[00:19:46] Impact group and I can talk about the innovations regarding
[00:19:50] the reduction of chemical substances, as many
[00:19:53] know, 10, 15 years ago, eh, the
[00:19:56] fracturing fluid used a large amount of chemical
[00:19:59] substances that eh, in many
[00:20:03] cases, caused health and environmental
[00:20:06] impacts. In recent years, reviewing all the
[00:20:09] literature, but also consulting
[00:20:12] colleagues in Canada, in the United
[00:20:15] States, eh, the number of molecules has been significantly
[00:20:18] reduced, currently there is a list
[00:20:24] of which it is clearly identifiable which, for example,
[00:20:27] can be eh highly toxic, which are not,
[00:20:31] also what substitutes there are for these highly
[00:20:34] toxic molecules, so that eh the use of
[00:20:38] chemical substances in the composition of the fracturing fluid has
[00:20:41] been significantly reduced and in
[00:20:44] many of the areas that are currently being drilled in the United
[00:20:48] States or in Canada, this. is being monitored and
[00:20:51] controlled for fugitive emissions of many of these
[00:20:55] molecules and molecules with a higher
[00:20:58] rate of degradability are being incorporated,
[00:21:02] which makes them reduce the ecological
[00:21:06] and potential health risk.
[00:21:08] Thank you. On the subject,
[00:21:12] let's see.
[00:21:14] Comrade,
[00:21:18] good morning.
[00:21:23] Good morning, Madam President, good morning to all the panel. My first
[00:21:27] question would be, is there a
[00:21:30] country that is already developing what
[00:21:33] you are doing, or are you the first
[00:21:36] to have that respect for the
[00:21:39] environment and extract
[00:21:42] gas, but with the minimum
[00:21:45] environmental impact? That would be
[00:21:49] my.
[00:21:54] This, thank you again, one of the
[00:21:57] colleagues who also participated in this group, who was also
[00:22:01] part of the coordination of this impact group,
[00:22:05] eh this has
[00:22:09] information on some of the areas where strategies have been implemented
[00:22:12] to reduce impacts, one of them is Canada, some of
[00:22:16] the Canadian areas have greatly reduced the
[00:22:20] environmental impact, there is also the state of Pennsylvania in the United States
[00:22:23] with an experience also in the
[00:22:26] management of waste and the reduction of environmental
[00:22:29] risks and pollution, so yes there
[00:22:32] are experiences eh, in fact what
[00:22:36] is observed through the study we did
[00:22:40] is that eh for example in the United States there are
[00:22:44] states where their regulations, their laws,
[00:22:46] their practices eh are much
[00:22:50] more eh. that is, they reduce
[00:22:53] the impact more than in other
[00:22:56] states, so I believe that the scenarios that we have been
[00:23:00] proposing for Mexico are eh to take the experiences, the
[00:23:03] best experiences, the best practices precisely to
[00:23:07] reduce as much as possible the impacts and environmental
[00:23:10] risks, which are different things, this
[00:23:14] for eh well, practices in case this practice
[00:23:17] occurs, no,
[00:23:20] thank you. A country like Norway
[00:23:23] also has many technological anyone else
[00:23:26] wants to, yes, go ahead.
[00:23:35] Well, as we also mentioned
[00:23:38] during the technical evaluation, the development of
[00:23:42] technologies, including the additives used, has
[00:23:45] evolved greatly, in fact, the
[00:23:48] use of, for example, additives of vegetable
[00:23:52] origin is currently being promoted, which, as
[00:23:55] Dr. Omar mentioned, are already degradable,
[00:23:58] they also leave fewer residues, even in
[00:24:02] this international analysis that Dr. Almamérica mentioned,
[00:24:05] we evaluated the technologies developed
[00:24:08] in Argentina, the United States, Canada, and also in
[00:24:12] China, and well, many also, there is a
[00:24:15] catalog of offerings that has grown a lot, and
[00:24:19] eh the selection of
[00:24:21] will depend on the mineralogy,
[00:24:25] the type of water used, and the conditions of the
[00:24:28] reservoirs, so eh there is a catalog that continues
[00:24:31] to grow, technological innovation continues
[00:24:34] to work and includes many eh many
[00:24:38] options, thank you very much, in a
[00:24:42] second question, eh
[00:24:46] I would like to know if it is still standing, I was
[00:24:49] seeing eh the research in
[00:24:52] the crystal dome and
[00:24:54] econosphere, this in there
[00:24:58] is a project by the Secretary of Energy to inject
[00:25:02] biogas into the gas
[00:25:04] pipelines, is this still standing
[00:25:06] to eh take advantage of that, it
[00:25:10] is called eh Juan
[00:25:14] biomethane, biomethane, yes, Juan if
[00:25:18] you want and then.
[00:25:24] Your permission, Madam President, eh, the
[00:25:28] development of the regulation is underway to
[00:25:31] be able to inject biomethane
[00:25:35] eh for its use in
[00:25:38] pipelines in general eh eh for the
[00:25:41] use of natural gas. Biomethane is produced
[00:25:44] eh from organic matter, special
[00:25:48] conditions are created for it to
[00:25:50] be formed. methane gas eh eh which
[00:25:53] is called eh biomethane, this
[00:25:56] gas also has some compounds
[00:26:00] eh of impurities that must be eliminated and once
[00:26:04] they can be eliminated, they can be injected
[00:26:06] into the distribution centers eh and the
[00:26:10] natural gas distribution systems, so well, the regulation is in
[00:26:13] process, the use of these alternatives
[00:26:17] is recent for Mexico, so the quality monitoring infrastructure
[00:26:21] must also be built, that's why all of that is in development, but
[00:26:24] the Secretary of Energy has also approved permits for the
[00:26:27] production eh of biogas and its use on site,
[00:26:31] not for injection into pipelines yet, but for the own consumption of the
[00:26:35] biogas production centers, thank you very
[00:26:39] much, and in a last question that has to
[00:26:43] do with the secretary, well, with energy,
[00:26:46] the Bank of Mexico and the
[00:26:50] IMF eh
[00:26:53] presented their economic
[00:26:56] growth outlook for Mexico,
[00:26:59] they raised it from one for
[00:27:03] this year's GDP from 1.1 to
[00:27:07] 1.20, does this have
[00:27:11] to do with these projects?
[00:27:15] is considering all these
[00:27:18] projects that the
[00:27:21] energy sector in Mexico, its
[00:27:23] government, has, remember that I
[00:27:27] told you that in the second half of the year we would do better
[00:27:30] because the
[00:27:34] infrastructure contracted with public works, such
[00:27:37] as public works, is advancing, that is,
[00:27:40] highways,
[00:27:42] energy, trains,
[00:27:46] water mainly,
[00:27:50] mixed investments, which are essentially
[00:27:53] public investment, using part
[00:27:56] of private resources, from
[00:28:00] a scheme where the concession
[00:28:03] is not given for highways, for
[00:28:06] energy, for
[00:28:09] essentially highways and energy,
[00:28:11] and private projects
[00:28:15] that are being developed,
[00:28:19] in addition to housing, housing production is generating a very
[00:28:22] important boost in economic growth, so
[00:28:26] all this has to do with this approach, remember that
[00:28:30] energy before, as private participation
[00:28:35] electricity generation was done, someone said
[00:28:38] I have an x project in such
[00:28:40] a place, they went and presented it to the
[00:28:43] energy regulatory commission, the energy
[00:28:47] regulatory commission gave them a permit, then
[00:28:50] they could start their
[00:28:53] process,
[00:28:55] many of the projects, even renewable energy,
[00:28:59] were not very profitable and also generated.
[00:29:04] Mexico is a free, independent and
[00:29:07] sovereign country. For years, neoliberal
[00:29:11] governments surrendered to foreign interests above
[00:29:14] those of the people. Today, with the fourth transformation, there is
[00:29:18] cooperation between countries, but without subordination, because Mexico
[00:29:21] is respected and the destiny of our nation is
[00:29:25] decided by us Mexicans. The homeland and
[00:29:28] sovereignty are defended. Morena, the hope of Mexico.
[00:29:34] It's not easy to understand what you feel, sadness,
[00:29:37] anger, fear, pressure, feeling
[00:29:41] is not weakness, it's part of living, talking about what's
[00:29:45] happening to you can help you name what you're
[00:29:48] experiencing, and when someone listens to you, everything
[00:29:52] changes, if you need
[00:29:54] accompany you, contact the life line 800
[00:29:57] vida 800
[00:29:59] 9001.
[00:30:02] of Mexico, these mixed projects already
[00:30:06] represent about 800, no 800
[00:30:08] megawatts, so for now there are about 12,000, we have to reach 22, there is a part that is
[00:30:12] from the CFE itself, CFE is
[00:30:16] also building its own renewable energy generation
[00:30:20] plants, from green hydrogen to
[00:30:23] geothermal to solar energy, wind
[00:30:27] energy, so
[00:30:30] with all this and there's still another part to reach what they
[00:30:33] recommend, which is 22 gigawatts of
[00:30:37] renewable energy, so all this will obviously help
[00:30:41] economic growth, today an article comes out in The
[00:30:44] Economist, by the way, that says what I
[00:30:47] have said here, economic growth is not everything, I don't
[00:30:50] just say it because scientists and
[00:30:54] social economists know it, the important thing is that there is
[00:30:57] distribution of wealth and social justice.