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[00:00:46] in in
[00:00:53] Nostalgia had erased bad memories and
[00:00:56] magnified good ones, no one is safe from its
[00:01:00] ravages, writes Gabriel García Márquez. But
[00:01:03] what is nostalgia really?
[00:01:06] In the beginning, it was considered a deadly disease. In
[00:01:09] 1688, Johannes Hoffer discovered it by observing Swiss soldiers
[00:01:13] who lived abroad and presented
[00:01:16] symptoms such as fatigue, insomnia, palpitations, high
[00:01:21] feel, why? What do you like about fevers. The cause was not physical, but a longing for
[00:01:25] their homeland. Thus, he coined the term
[00:01:28] nostalgia. Nostos which means to return
[00:01:32] home, and algos, pain.
[00:01:36] a memory Nostalgia is the longing for the past that mixes joy and
[00:01:40] sadness.
[00:01:46] At first it was thought that it only happened to Swiss people, they said that the
[00:01:50] country was so beautiful that anyone who left
[00:01:53] fell ill. The fear was such that military
[00:01:57] commanders prohibited traditional Swiss songs to not
[00:02:00] awaken
[00:02:01] nostalgia.
[00:02:04] Have you ever heard a song, felt
[00:02:07] an aroma, a taste, heard a sound, a smell that
[00:02:11] reminds you of something, then your brain begins to feel,
[00:02:14] reflect, think, that is
[00:02:17] nostalgia. In the 20th century, psychology redefined it, it is no longer
[00:02:21] an illness, but a mechanism that connects us with our
[00:02:24] identity. You can feel nostalgia for love,
[00:02:28] for your childhood, for your friends, for your children, many
[00:02:32] times it connects with our first times, the first time you
[00:02:35] fell in love, watched a soccer game or became
[00:02:39] a mom.
[00:02:45] is, if you In this process, the brain activates the hippocampus that helps us to locate
[00:02:49] memories in a time and place, the amygdala that gives
[00:02:52] it emotional charge and the frontal cortex that
[00:02:55] tries to order all this and give it meaning, also
[00:02:59] dopamine and serotonin, it can
[00:03:03] be sweet and painful at the same time, it
[00:03:06] connects us with places and people who loved us, but at
[00:03:11] a person and you could talk to the same time it reminds us that that time no longer exists
[00:03:14] not in the same
[00:03:16] way.
[00:03:20] It's not simply missing the
[00:03:22] new generations can grow in past, it's the brain trying to
[00:03:24] reconstruct who we are. Being such a
[00:03:28] powerful emotion, politics has learned to use it as a
[00:03:32] weapon to win votes from Donald Trump with his Make
[00:03:35] America great again
[00:03:37] years ago I wasted a lot of time in appealing to the industry of the past, passing through
[00:03:40] Brexit and its slogan Take back
[00:03:43] Control. Nostalgia moves nations, it
[00:03:47] roots us, it confronts us, it
[00:03:49] shapes us. It is dangerous if we remain
[00:03:52] longing, but here among us. What is
[00:03:55] nostalgia for you? What better place to
[00:03:58] talk about nostalgia? than the Vasconcelos library, you have
[00:04:02] tea with me and
[00:04:04] tell me.
[00:04:09] Tell me who you are, eh, I'm Perla,
[00:04:13] I, who am I, I do journalism
[00:04:16] things, mainly, eh, I don't know, my hobbies
[00:04:20] are classic, writing as a
[00:04:23] journalist, eh, drawing, we came here to draw, that's how
[00:04:27] we met here, here among us.
[00:04:31] If you could go back to a specific day of your life for
[00:04:34] only 5 minutes, which one would you go back to and why? I don't know, maybe I'm not
[00:04:38] the most nostalgic person for this, but something like going back to
[00:04:41] change something or something like that, I don't feel that
[00:04:45] nostalgia goes that way for me, uh-huh, what is
[00:04:48] nostalgia for you then? Mmm.
[00:04:52] It's like here among us, I
[00:04:56] think, I think for me eh it has
[00:04:59] a a a somewhat negative side that people
[00:05:02] sometimes give it, that it always implies some
[00:05:06] kind of sadness, of
[00:05:08] nostalgia, but I also understand that it works, right? I think...
[00:05:12] I am a person who looks a lot to the future, so maybe it would be
[00:05:15] like
[00:05:18] remembering things and appreciating them
[00:05:21] to be able to appreciate much better what is coming, you know, like the thing about if you were
[00:05:25] 90 years old and you felt super bad and
[00:05:28] sad and had ailments and everything, what would you do if suddenly today
[00:05:32] you wake up at 20 years old, right? Like I see it that
[00:05:35] way, I think
[00:05:37] that
[00:05:40] I would try to do things perhaps as I am doing them now, but
[00:05:43] remember that more often and I don't know, have fewer fears, do
[00:05:47] more things, make more mistakes too, that was something I learned in my last 3 years of
[00:05:51] life, I think making more mistakes is very
[00:05:53] important, when was the last time you felt nostalgic? Maybe
[00:05:57] these weeks have been a bit nostalgic because my brother
[00:06:00] just moved to Mexico City, eh
[00:06:04] back, and it had been years since we lived together like that, so
[00:06:08] it's like remembering precisely the things we
[00:06:12] have lived. What kind of people we have become these years that we lived
[00:06:15] separately, how we lived in other states, it's like that's
[00:06:19] a bit of remembering to also
[00:06:22] see in the reflection the person I have become and remember the person I was when I was younger
[00:06:26] through my brother's eyes, nostalgia has
[00:06:29] like a part of recognizing what
[00:06:33] you were before, yes, yes, I think
[00:06:37] it has a very big component of
[00:06:40] reflection, very big of being
[00:06:43] thinking because this thing that
[00:06:49] is never what really happened but rather
[00:06:52] the last time you remembered the thing, so it changes and changes and changes every
[00:06:56] so often, so as the years go by, there are too many filters you put
[00:06:59] on it, another thing would be
[00:07:02] also for me nostalgia is remembering things
[00:07:05] and on the one hand, thanking myself
[00:07:08] for the person I was to get through certain things. or just
[00:07:13] thinking I wouldn't do things that way, but it's good that I
[00:07:16] learned it at that moment, you can do many things with
[00:07:20] nostalgia, you can do many things when you remember things,
[00:07:24] um I don't know, maybe
[00:07:27] it's thinking of a memory in a positive way,
[00:07:31] sometimes, sometimes in a negative way, sometimes scolding yourself, sometimes
[00:07:34] thanking yourself, I don't know,
[00:07:38] it's cool to be able to travel in time, that
[00:07:40] way, maybe.
[00:07:42] That's why there are people who are addicted to nostalgia, not all the time
[00:07:45] traveling, remembering, I also think
[00:07:48] that addiction to nostalgia, I think it can also
[00:07:51] be not taking charge of your life at this
[00:07:54] moment, that
[00:07:57] spend all your time remembering,
[00:08:01] I don't know, being too nostalgic is
[00:08:04] a way of not taking charge of the present and then time passes
[00:08:08] and time will pass anyway, so time passes again.
[00:08:12] and things remain the same, they didn't change as
[00:08:16] you wanted because you wasted a lot of time in nostalgia, so nostalgia can
[00:08:20] also hurt us, yes, yes, definitely, you can't
[00:08:23] go back to the past with with feelings
[00:08:27] of punishing yourself because what are you doing to the person you are now, right?
[00:08:30] You also have to thank the person you were at that
[00:08:33] moment, well, the way it helps you to still
[00:08:37] be here. What have you learned from
[00:08:39] nostalgia? That it is a good tool.
[00:08:43] Uh-huh, it's a good exercise,
[00:08:46] I think that at these because I think many
[00:08:50] nostalgia and I think now I developed a
[00:08:53] fear of nostalgia, of sadness, like I'm not going to waste any more
[00:08:57] time wallowing in my
[00:09:00] own misery, eh, maybe at this point I have
[00:09:04] to be a little less afraid to be nostalgic again, to be
[00:09:08] sad again, tell me how you went from this place of
[00:09:12] feeling a lot of nostalgia, as you say, having
[00:09:16] wasted time in nostalgia, to now
[00:09:18] saying no, no more, we have to be nostalgic, I have moved in my life about
[00:09:22] 25 times, I have changed schools about 20 times,
[00:09:25] cities, houses, everything, I think
[00:09:29] that around the 18th time I said, I said what if
[00:09:33] I better live this new move and this new city in a
[00:09:37] different way, remember the previous one, because it was always, I don't know,
[00:09:40] the first moves were like I miss the previous one and then I moved on to the
[00:09:44] next one and now I missed the previous one but
[00:09:48] I didn't enjoy it, so
[00:09:50] eh I spent a lot of time in that nostalgia that I
[00:09:54] was afraid of change
[00:09:56] and then it was just like you know what I can
[00:09:58] appreciate it
[00:10:01] but I can make richer memories of this and enjoy it even
[00:10:04] while missing the previous one, you know, like allowing many feelings to live at the
[00:10:08] same time in you, it's better than just being nostalgic all the time.
[00:10:12] If you could talk to nostalgia, if it were here
[00:10:15] among us, what would you like to ask it or
[00:10:19] tell it? Ah, I
[00:10:22] would like to
[00:10:25] know if there's a why of why you exist
[00:10:29] or why when I feel a strong nostalgia
[00:10:33] like this why am I feeling this
[00:10:36] what
[00:10:39] is your purpose, what are you trying to tell me, is it about me
[00:10:43] is it about something external like
[00:10:46] yes a why but thank you very much for sharing this cup
[00:10:50] of tea with me eh I learned from you today that
[00:10:53] nostalgia is the memory of
[00:10:55] what we were, it's true, thank you very much
[00:10:59] Aranza,
[00:11:03] thank you, from Mexico, this
[00:11:07] is where we come from, from the corn that has fed us our whole
[00:11:10] lives, from the color we have on our skin,
[00:11:14] from the noise and the party, because one can
[00:11:17] go anywhere, but here is what one
[00:11:20] is, here are the laughs, the smell of
[00:11:24] comal, and our place at the table, because
[00:11:27] being Mexican, being Mexican is an
[00:11:31] honor, government of
[00:11:34] Mexico, that summer I only did two
[00:11:36] things, lying in the sun on the hood of an abandoned Porsche in front of
[00:11:40] my house and watching the clouds, my family was a
[00:11:43] mess, the city was meaningless and the
[00:11:46] world from one second to the next was going to
[00:11:49] explode, things were not very firm and
[00:11:53] September 19th arrived,
[00:12:05] the singularity of a man accompanies him on the path to
[00:12:09] find his own self, this is not a place for
[00:12:12] you, what you are looking for is out there, what
[00:12:16] happened, I told him not to touch me, if what you want
[00:12:20] to do is paint, do it,
[00:12:23] you know you can count on our support.
[00:12:26] Cinema
[00:12:28] 14 presents. Goitia, a god to himself. Saturday,
[00:12:32] 11:40
[00:12:33] PM.
[00:12:41] Hello, thanks for having this cup of tea with me. Good
[00:12:44] afternoon. Eh, tell me who you are, what do you do?
[00:12:48] I am, well, my name is Abraham Linares, eh, I am from the
[00:12:51] State of Mexico, from the municipality of Tecámac. I am
[00:12:55] 20 years old, I am a student at the National
[00:12:58] Polytechnic Institute, I study electronic communication
[00:13:02] at esime Zacatenco. Abraham, well,
[00:13:05] nice to meet you, thanks for being here, tell me if
[00:13:08] you could go back to a specific day or moment in your life,
[00:13:12] which one
[00:13:13] would it be?
[00:13:18] Well, I think there are
[00:13:21] many, all of them are with my family, yes. No more
[00:13:25] specific, eh, when I was
[00:13:27] 10 I used to go out a lot with my family to
[00:13:31] eat barbacoa, something very simple, but
[00:13:34] that to this day is something that is very marked in me, my
[00:13:38] parents had a hard time taking us out to eat,
[00:13:40] so the fact of being able
[00:13:43] to do it on a weekend, well
[00:13:46] right now at least it means a lot to me because I know the effort
[00:13:50] that entailed, well you could say oh it's a simple
[00:13:54] meal or what is it? it's very cheap seeing the effort my
[00:13:58] parents made to try to keep our outings from being so
[00:14:01] limited makes it special,
[00:14:04] it moves you and you feel
[00:14:07] nostalgic? Yes, ah
[00:14:11] longing, yes, a little, the truth is that
[00:14:14] it's something that even gives you a
[00:14:17] feeling, you can feel it here, a
[00:14:20] lump in your throat, as they say, yes, a little
[00:14:24] and well it's beautiful, also
[00:14:27] eh, I think it's a little sad that
[00:14:31] well, when you're younger you don't realize the things
[00:14:34] people or your family do for you, how
[00:14:38] would you define nostalgia as sadness,
[00:14:41] but
[00:14:45] at least I always that I feel
[00:14:48] nostalgia it is beautiful, it's like a
[00:14:51] sadness that you miss having again.
[00:14:55] that you want to have again, that
[00:14:59] you can no longer obtain, but but that is always
[00:15:02] marked there, that always even eh,
[00:15:05] well at least for me whenever I feel nostalgic I get
[00:15:09] smells, what smell do you get, for example,
[00:15:12] mmm, well besides the
[00:15:14] barbacoa, on the way, well, the smell of
[00:15:18] wet earth, whenever we went out near
[00:15:21] where I live, eh,
[00:15:24] there are... lands so well whenever we went out it was humid
[00:15:28] in the morning, you're very nostalgic, right? I
[00:15:31] like to feel
[00:15:34] um I feel that
[00:15:39] at least now these last few years I've been appreciating
[00:15:42] more the past moments I lived or
[00:15:46] that I've been living throughout these few
[00:15:49] years, I like to remember even eh well
[00:15:53] making myself feel nostalgic, saying oh I remember this day eh how
[00:15:57] beautiful it was to remember especially the smells or even the
[00:16:00] colors and I think besides
[00:16:04] that I always appreciate that we have technology.
[00:16:07] photos with which I can take them and
[00:16:10] remember those moments much better, what photo would you
[00:16:14] never delete? Ah, of my family, of my
[00:16:18] family, never, you have a specific one, yes, of my
[00:16:21] mom, many times eh, my mom is a person who is
[00:16:24] a homemaker, she is a stay-at-home mom, so
[00:16:28] I rarely see her well
[00:16:31] dressed, I mean with
[00:16:33] a dress, with something that she...
[00:16:37] that makes her feel not only beautiful but also
[00:16:41] reminds her of how she used to dress before, eh when she was
[00:16:45] younger, so I think the photos I have of her
[00:16:48] eh posing in her
[00:16:52] outfit, I think those are photos I would never delete, mm, hey Abraham, you just
[00:16:55] told me I like to
[00:16:59] nostalgia? Mmm, well,
[00:17:02] besides making you remember that you can relive
[00:17:06] that moment.
[00:17:08] That
[00:17:10] you can perhaps not feel
[00:17:14] um the same thoughts,
[00:17:18] but I think you can feel it in your heart, there are even feelings
[00:17:21] that well even make you nervous or
[00:17:25] make you tremble, it has happened to me that I think of something and
[00:17:29] I even get goosebumps or start
[00:17:32] trembling because of my skin, so I think
[00:17:35] that's it...
[00:17:38] that then it brings you back a little bit of what you felt, of who
[00:17:41] you were, I think not a little but
[00:17:44] a lot because
[00:17:48] nostalgia also comes from very
[00:17:51] vivid memories, I think nobody feels nostalgic about something that
[00:17:55] they didn't like or that well
[00:17:58] wasn't important to that person, hey, can nostalgia
[00:18:02] harm us? Yes, especially
[00:18:05] well the... maintaining
[00:18:08] that those memories were for
[00:18:11] a reason and that they should remain as what they are, nostalgia,
[00:18:14] nostalgia and memories,
[00:18:17] yes, nostalgia of memories, I think it is
[00:18:20] dangerous in that sense that that people are
[00:18:24] very nostalgic
[00:18:27] to the point that they only force themselves to remember
[00:18:31] bad things to have a pretext to harm themselves
[00:18:35] or things like that, but...
[00:18:39] well, I think we always have to find the beautiful side,
[00:18:43] even in bad things, if nostalgia were
[00:18:48] her, what would you say to her or
[00:18:50] ask her?
[00:18:56] Good question, perhaps the meaning it
[00:18:59] has for itself, that it can
[00:19:02] describe itself, that it can tell me I
[00:19:06] as... religion eh I cause this for this
[00:19:10] or I make you have this for this,
[00:19:13] for good, for bad, that it can
[00:19:16] describe itself as a person, that it explains itself, why it
[00:19:20] explains itself, why, why it causes that, why with my
[00:19:23] ex, Abraham, well thank you very much for
[00:19:26] sharing this tea with me, thank you very much for for the
[00:19:30] conversation and for teaching us that nostalgia
[00:19:33] comes from important memories, otherwise it wouldn't
[00:19:36] exist. Thanks Abraham, thanks to
[00:19:39] you,
[00:19:47] thanks for agreeing to have this cup of tea with me, I
[00:19:51] love it, how are you, tell me, who are you, what
[00:19:54] do you do, ah, eh, my name is Tránsito, I am
[00:19:58] 34 years old, I am from Yucatan, but I have lived here in Mexico City for 10 years,
[00:20:02] Tránsito, if you could go back to a day
[00:20:05] in your life for 5 minutes. A moment, where
[00:20:09] would you go back? I think I would go back
[00:20:11] to
[00:20:14] when I just finished my career at
[00:20:17] university,
[00:20:19] I felt very powerful,
[00:20:23] very with a blank slate
[00:20:26] to be able to do and
[00:20:28] create and I remember that the emotion of
[00:20:32] that emotion like everything is new, anything...
[00:20:35] really can happen, right? And
[00:20:39] it fills me a lot that feeling of that
[00:20:42] moment, not because it was a tragedy afterwards, but
[00:20:45] because when you told me it took me to that place
[00:20:48] where everything seemed brand new, fresh and
[00:20:52] open, how does nostalgia feel, how would you describe nostalgia?
[00:20:56] It feels like
[00:20:58] captured in a
[00:21:02] in a box that you can see perhaps,
[00:21:05] you can't see it, perhaps you can't
[00:21:07] eh touch it completely and
[00:21:10] yes it also gives you a desire to reach it, a desire to reach
[00:21:14] nostalgia, why perhaps because
[00:21:18] I can think or feel that I want to feel like
[00:21:22] that again, like for the first time, to experience for the first time
[00:21:25] certain emotions, certain feelings, when was the last
[00:21:28] time you felt nostalgic? Yesterday I took a walk with my
[00:21:32] mom in
[00:21:36] the village and I don't know
[00:21:39] like seeing her lighting a candle, we were talking about my
[00:21:43] dad eh who passed away not long ago and
[00:21:47] I felt nostalgic about seeing ourselves
[00:21:51] in a new configuration of my
[00:21:53] family, that is, nostalgia
[00:21:56] also
[00:21:58] carries in that glass box that you describe, it carries a
[00:22:01] longing, I think nostalgia carries losses and they
[00:22:05] are longed for, they are missed, yes, if there is sadness, it can
[00:22:09] also be in nostalgia eh, but not
[00:22:11] tragic, how is
[00:22:13] it then eh, I would say
[00:22:17] it's a sadness that... you
[00:22:20] also appreciate feeling that
[00:22:23] that eh you embrace
[00:22:27] that it can hurt but that
[00:22:30] it also forms part of you and that
[00:22:34] it also nourishes and strengthens you, what do you thank
[00:22:37] nostalgia for? I thank it for reminding me,
[00:22:40] for taking me to those moments, I thank
[00:22:43] it for reminding me, for also
[00:22:47] reviewing my present, because I think we also can't
[00:22:50] go to the past without looking at where we are today,
[00:22:53] now, hey, at the beginning you told me that
[00:22:57] you work with LGBT issues in the community of which I
[00:23:00] assume you are a part, whatever
[00:23:04] that question is, I love it, no, but I wanted
[00:23:08] to ask how nostalgia is lived or how you have seen it
[00:23:11] working with LGBT people, I
[00:23:15] imagine that they relate to nostalgia with nostalgia
[00:23:18] perhaps in particular ways,
[00:23:21] exactly, I work with Claudia López, mom with you, she
[00:23:25] receives many messages mainly from young people who
[00:23:29] are discovering or
[00:23:31] going through this with their families, that they
[00:23:35] are part of the LGBT community, right? So many and not only
[00:23:39] young people, but also slightly more adult people who I think
[00:23:42] also inhabit nostalgia a little from what was not
[00:23:46] like they can now have parallel lives.
[00:23:50] separated, those of their families, those of their family nuclei,
[00:23:53] and and they often express themselves also with
[00:23:56] this, with this longing, with that
[00:23:59] pain eh, of not having
[00:24:02] been able to build a story with their families, right? And like
[00:24:06] this eh, this desire also a little like
[00:24:12] another way, eh, connect in another way also
[00:24:15] with the community, with ties, with networks.
[00:24:20] of support if they can't have it in their
[00:24:23] homes, of course, I had not thought about that, but I think about
[00:24:27] this eh, I don't know what they talk about later regarding
[00:24:30] LGBT adolescence, right? Which is like, well, since I didn't live
[00:24:33] my LGBT adolescence, now that I live my adulthood, I'm going to
[00:24:37] of course, yes, yes, yes, and today I think there are also many
[00:24:40] adolescents who are living it differently than we
[00:24:44] did, you and I, can nostalgia harm
[00:24:47] us? If you don't go to therapy,
[00:24:52] maybe yes, I don't know,
[00:24:54] eh, it may be that a
[00:24:58] nostalgia
[00:25:01] not internalized, not reviewed
[00:25:04] from several angles or from a transformation that we all
[00:25:08] go through in life, maybe yes it can become
[00:25:11] eh something very difficult to
[00:25:14] visit, not to
[00:25:18] experience and... know what I was thinking about right now
[00:25:21] also eh that it's something I hadn't thought about but
[00:25:25] it came up, these are the reflections that come out here among us, with this that
[00:25:29] we were talking about the community how
[00:25:32] how nostalgia sometimes allows processes of struggle, right?
[00:25:36] Like in this case what you were telling about these adult
[00:25:39] eh older people who now say no well for that very reason I'm going to
[00:25:43] build so that adolescents enjoy
[00:25:46] that and it's ah-huh clear, clear, like what can be
[00:25:50] built from nostalgia, right? That is, eh,
[00:25:54] these new panoramas or new
[00:25:57] paths, new visions that we can or realities rather.
[00:26:01] I mean realities not, like building new realities
[00:26:04] eh from our experience that
[00:26:08] nostalgia also awakens in us not that
[00:26:12] it comes to stir up, if nostalgia were a person
[00:26:15] ah-huh, if it were here having
[00:26:19] tea with you, what would you like to ask it or tell it, I don't know, would
[00:26:22] nostalgia miss someone, who would nostalgia
[00:26:26] miss, who would nostalgia miss, would
[00:26:29] nostalgia think? of
[00:26:32] something that hasn't happened again, of a person it hasn't seen
[00:26:36] again,
[00:26:39] of I don't know, a landscape
[00:26:41] that it would like to see again, how beautiful,
[00:26:45] Tránsito, thank you very much for to share this here with me,
[00:26:49] eh, and for teaching us that
[00:26:52] nostalgia
[00:26:55] are the moments we lost, but also in nostalgia
[00:26:58] new realities can be built, thank you very much.
[00:27:02] Pachos, yes, cheers, cheers, thank you very much.
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[00:28:22] the future and the present of artificial intelligence
[00:28:24] is a calculated debate, a
[00:28:28] debate of the calculated risks based on the...
[00:28:32] economic interests that are around
[00:28:35] the three big or four big artificial intelligence companies
[00:28:38] that operate in the United States, the United States
[00:28:42] also China see artificial intelligence as a tool of
[00:28:45] power that will give them the determining
[00:28:49] element to win this international competition. We have
[00:28:52] 500,000 jobs lost directly or indirectly due to artificial
[00:28:56] intelligence from 2023 until now. Amode eh
[00:28:59] puts as the main eh.
[00:29:02] reason why the development of artificial intelligence has to
[00:29:06] slow down but not stop is the issue
[00:29:08] that authoritarian governments (he puts it like this in his letter) can
[00:29:12] achieve achieve the
[00:29:15] victory