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[00:00:12] had connections with
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[00:00:46] the use of digital
[00:01:03] How are you, friends of Canal 14, thank you for being with us
[00:01:07] in a new broadcast of Ventana this Sunday, welcome.
[00:01:11] The recent elections in Latin
[00:01:15] circulated it in the assembly, America have put at stake, much more than the presidency,
[00:01:18] the conformation of a congress. In each process,
[00:01:21] recently the defense of democracy
[00:01:24] La Derecha and the sovereignty of our countries has been tested, given the complex
[00:01:28] framework orchestrated from the United States to support
[00:01:32] the far-right wave. Fernando Cerimedo,
[00:01:35] self-proclaimed digital consultant, accused of being
[00:01:38] a CIA collaborator, was arrested in Bolivia after allegedly
[00:01:41] ordering an attack against his ex-partner Nadia Beller, for knowing
[00:01:45] too much. This was true, because the activist and lawyer
[00:01:48] uncovered a whole strategy that from the United States, with
[00:01:52] companies and contacts in Donald Trump's MAGA group, that
[00:01:56] Serimedo and his allies carried out not only on social networks, but also operating to...
[00:02:00] favor in vote counts conservative figures who
[00:02:03] won elections in Honduras, Colombia, Bolivia, Chile,
[00:02:07] Peru and Argentina. The next
[00:02:09] stop of the ultraconservative strategy is Brazil
[00:02:13] where the Left today denounces a campaign on social
[00:02:16] networks to disappear their content and support
[00:02:20] that of the ultraconservative Flavio Bolsonaro, two weeks before
[00:02:23] the elections. Today we will talk exclusively with Nadia Beller
[00:02:27] from Bolivia about what she knows about this dirty
[00:02:30] war of the far-right to combat the progressive current. We begin.
[00:02:35] From the International Book Fair in the Zócalo
[00:02:39] be explained otherwise because
[00:02:46] that he was the magic man in
[00:02:53] From Washington, this strategy has been defined, which
[00:02:56] involves Fernando Cerimedo and high figures of the...
[00:03:00] conservative right to bolster the interests
[00:03:03] of the United States, as Donald Trump himself said, the Monroe
[00:03:06] Doctrine is
[00:03:08] in force.
[00:03:11] I love when I give endorsements and people win,
[00:03:15] but they don't
[00:03:16] lose.
[00:03:19] I guess it would be illegal. Could you
[00:03:22] strategy that supported Bellardo de imagine if I could say they spend millions and millions and millions of dollars a campaign? They're
[00:03:27] personally, I losing, and they beg me for an endorsement. I given them.
[00:03:41] With frank declarations bordering on cynicism, despite multiple
[00:03:44] accusations and criticisms, President Donald Trump has successfully
[00:03:47] promoted the right and far-right in several electoral processes
[00:03:51] in Latin America. After
[00:03:54] crude way they were doing the attack on lawyer Nadia Beller in Bolivia, an entire network of
[00:03:57] operations by her former partner Fernando Mimedo was revealed.
[00:04:00] He, with his companies in Washington and close contacts with Trump,
[00:04:04] under the umbrella of Digital Consulting, wove an entire network
[00:04:07] in Latin America to operate bot farms, bribe officials,
[00:04:11] create dirty business networks,
[00:04:14] almost two months since and achieve what happened: the triumph of high-ranking far-right figures
[00:04:16] in Latin America.
[00:04:19] the most difficult thing for Fernando Cerimedo, of Argentine
[00:04:21] as a normal declaration where nationality, was an advisor to Javier Miley himself, for whom he created
[00:04:24] bot campaigns that bolstered his figure. Politically,
[00:04:27] Trump did it. Weeks
[00:04:30] before the legislative elections in October 2025, Trump affirmed that he would
[00:04:33] not provide the loan to that country if La Libertad Avanza, Miley's
[00:04:37] party, did not win the legislative elections, which finally
[00:04:41] happened and the loan was
[00:04:42] granted.
[00:04:46] In Honduras, Trump forged a discourse of alert against communism that the then
[00:04:50] leftist candidate Rishi Moncada
[00:04:53] last Sunday, in which of the official party of Xiomara Castro would impose.
[00:04:55] Votes soared for Narcís Pura, who became
[00:04:59] president. Xiomara Castro denounced crude electoral interference
[00:05:02] from the United States. I condemn the
[00:05:06] interference of the president of the United States, Donald
[00:05:09] Trump.
[00:05:17] When he threatened the Honduran
[00:05:20] people
[00:05:23] that if they voted for a brave and patriotic
[00:05:27] candidate from the Libre Party, Rick
[00:05:28] Simóncada,
[00:05:32] there would be consequences.
[00:05:36] Those statements
[00:05:39] violated the most sacred principle of our
[00:05:43] constitution:
[00:05:46] sovereignty
[00:05:47] resides
[00:05:50] in the people. The then electoral counselor, Marlon
[00:05:53] Ochoa, linked Cerimedo, who at that time served as an advisor
[00:05:57] to the national party. He disseminated audios in which Cerimedo helped to
[00:06:00] alter the ballot boxes and stopped the recount in some regions
[00:06:04] with the knowledge of the armed forces. From the area where
[00:06:07] the votes are coming from right now is where they win. That's
[00:06:11] first of all. Secondly, the votes where more nationalist
[00:06:15] votes will enter. So there were votes from someone else, these
[00:06:18] were taken out, these are already arranged. The idea of
[00:06:22] pushing the idea of the notebook so that the entire
[00:06:25] ballot box or the entire
[00:06:28] act is not annulled. That is very
[00:06:31] important what we have to be moving,
[00:06:34] we already have the numbers, we cannot
[00:06:37] allow that... well, I'm saying
[00:06:40] that we already have
[00:06:43] people aligned from the armed
[00:06:46] forces, so no, it seems
[00:06:49] to me that everything is fine, we are only interested in the votes
[00:06:52] that are counted, if we have the votes
[00:06:56] and we know in which places we served
[00:06:59] the election, that's where the votes were entered and everyone
[00:07:03] at the table was talked to, what are you worried about? No,
[00:07:07] we don't have to be worried for a
[00:07:10] moment. The complaint earned him
[00:07:18] death threats, his dismissal, and self-exile.
[00:07:21] Trump supported the ultraconservative candidate, an admirer
[00:07:25] of dictator Augusto Pinochet, José Antonio Kast. There is a
[00:07:29] special commission on Cerimedo's links with Kast, which
[00:07:32] will determine the extent of his connections in the electoral
[00:07:36] process. Regarding Colombia, openly,
[00:07:39] the tenant... has expressed his
[00:08:12] support, his recognition of our victory, President
[00:08:15] Donald Trump told the
[00:08:18] truth and I thank him for telling
[00:08:22] the truth. Thanks to him,
[00:08:25] Abelardo is president of Colombia.
[00:08:27] And since I now
[00:08:33] know something, something about President
[00:08:37] Donald Trump
[00:08:39] fear he told Marco Rubio, "Take care of
[00:08:42] Colombia," and Marco Rubio took
[00:08:45] care of it. A personal friend of
[00:08:48] Abelardo. In Brazil, Trump has called for the
[00:08:52] release of Jair Bolsonaro from the sentence he is serving for attempted
[00:08:56] coup d'état against Lula, who from the beginning of the campaign denounced
[00:09:00] any attempt of foreign
[00:09:01] interference.
[00:09:07] To govern this country and I will say
[00:09:09] more, I will say more that it will come.
[00:09:12] to help them, whoever wants to, if you want to see
[00:09:16] Trump come, if you want to see Mil come,
[00:09:19] let whoever wants to come, I don't
[00:09:22] want help from outside, the only help I want is the
[00:09:25] help of the Brazilian people so that we can maintain
[00:09:29] this country. With information from Claudia
[00:09:33] Martínez Hernández, Canal
[00:09:34] 14.
[00:09:39] Fernando Cerimedo, creator of La Derecha Diario, partnered with
[00:09:42] Javier Negre in 2024 to be part of this media outlet,
[00:09:46] La Derecha Diario. Javier Negre is a Spanish businessman
[00:09:49] who previously promoted in several programs a far-right
[00:09:53] narrative in favor of the United States against several figures in
[00:09:56] Latin America. With their partnership, both found the ideal vehicle
[00:10:00] to establish connections with far-right leaders in our region,
[00:10:03] whom they supported. Here in Mexico, Ricardo Salinas
[00:10:07] announced an alliance with the director of La Derecha Diario,
[00:10:10] Javier Negre, in January 2025. It was Negre himself who
[00:10:14] announced the creation of La Derecha Diario Mexico. After
[00:10:17] Fernando Cerimedo's arrest in August, a partner of Cerimedo,
[00:10:21] Javier Negre, published a video in which he distanced himself from
[00:10:25] his partner Cerimedo.
[00:10:28] In light of these revelations, President Claudia Sheinbaum assured last
[00:10:31] August that this network of media and bots that spreads false
[00:10:35] news in Latin America also operates in
[00:10:38] Mexico.
[00:10:40] Of course, it operates in Mexico. Is it linked to any US agency?
[00:10:43] Well, we know what is known through public statements
[00:10:48] this person who was a victim of attempted
[00:10:52] femicide said. Of course,
[00:10:56] they are spreading
[00:10:59] news about Mexico, many of which are false,
[00:11:03] by the way, and they are part of this scheme that
[00:11:06] Luisa also talked about yesterday afternoon,
[00:11:11] platforms and social networks to spread
[00:11:15] false news through the purchase of
[00:11:18] accounts.
[00:11:21] The president presented a publication from December 27th
[00:11:24] where it is confirmed that when Serimedo was arrested,
[00:11:27] he was still Javier Negre's partner in La Derecha Diario,
[00:11:31] despite having rejected this association. Javier Negre
[00:11:34] in December 2025,
[00:11:36] which is this celebrating with my
[00:11:40] partner Cerimedo,
[00:11:42] that is Javier
[00:11:45] Negre of
[00:11:49] Diario says celebrating with my partner Cerimedo when...
[00:11:53] he withdrew from his
[00:11:56] partnership with La Derecha Diario.
[00:11:59] Speaking of La Derecha Diario
[00:12:01] in Mexico, it supported with dissemination Ricardo Salinas
[00:12:05] Pliego's efforts to use the issue of access to
[00:12:08] medicines in an attempt to attack the federal
[00:12:12] government. The libertarian businessman Ricardo Salinas
[00:12:15] Priego carried out one of the most outstanding charity works in
[00:12:19] recent years, and it's no wonder. From his own pocket,
[00:12:23] he financed a free health fair to serve thousands
[00:12:27] of Mexicans in more than 13 states of
[00:12:30] Mexico. From Tijuana to Mérida, thousands of people
[00:12:33] arrived: mothers, grandparents, young people, and children.
[00:12:36] They were given consultations, vaccines, blood tests,
[00:12:40] eye exams, and most importantly, medicines, and all of it
[00:12:44] financed from his own pocket, all free for
[00:12:47] them.
[00:12:49] And the former president of Colombia Gustavo Petro also referred to the
[00:12:53] dirty internet war that underpinned the campaign of Abelardo
[00:12:56] de la Espriella in his country.
[00:13:00] of Mexico City, he affirmed that electoral fraud was consummated
[00:13:04] and stated that this is part of a fascist campaign on a global
[00:13:07] level. Until we knew who Fernando
[00:13:11] Cerimedo was, the elections in Colombia,
[00:13:13] we had no idea. Yes, we did, and there were
[00:13:16] the branches, the sensation for me and
[00:13:19] the people who accompanied me in the government that there is
[00:13:23] no communication.
[00:13:25] In my campaign, not mine, but in Iván Cepeda's, there is no
[00:13:29] communication. But what is there on the other
[00:13:31] side? 2 million bots, today we
[00:13:35] know, fake profiles,
[00:13:38] managed with artificial intelligence algorithms,
[00:13:42] that each bot could launch 500 messages a
[00:13:46] day, and all the others not identical
[00:13:49] so that they wouldn't notice, but similar in their
[00:13:52] content, and it wasn't done by human beings. We
[00:13:56] come this way today post-elections to say
[00:13:58] there was fraud, but if they won in other countries,
[00:14:02] with simply that, majorities
[00:14:05] were achieved, they managed to tie, if they tied, then
[00:14:08] a second phase
[00:14:12] not only served for the fake profile, to manipulate,
[00:14:15] to generate fear and lies in the
[00:14:19] electoral climate, now
[00:14:22] they know it can be permanent and that
[00:14:25] means paralysis and control, and that
[00:14:28] means fascism, and today we can talk
[00:14:31] clearly about a global project
[00:14:33] based on the manipulation
[00:14:37] of individuals throughout
[00:14:40] humanity. And this weekend, the campaign
[00:14:43] of Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva denounced
[00:14:46] interference in the
[00:14:49] elections through alleged blockages of his content
[00:14:52] published on Meta's social networks such as Facebook,
[00:14:55] WhatsApp, and Instagram. Meta reportedly
[00:14:59] prevented Lula da Silva's profile from promoting
[00:15:03] publications in the feed of his official channels on these
[00:15:06] networks, and one of them suffered an interruption
[00:15:10] in the record of views, affecting its reach. They assured
[00:15:14] that before the first round
[00:15:18] right-winger Flavio Bolsonaro was victorious, Lula's page
[00:15:21] and other leftist leaders suddenly
[00:15:25] disappeared from Instagram's search engines. These are
[00:15:28] complaints that so far have been rejected by Meta. Also
[00:15:32] in Brazil, thousands of Brazilian students have taken to the streets
[00:15:35] to support Lula da Silva and reject Flavio
[00:15:39] Bolsonaro's candidacy. These are mobilizations that have spread
[00:15:43] through different cities, and also amidst reports of repression,
[00:15:46] threats against university students, and restrictions on these
[00:15:50] protests. And today, precisely, this weekend,
[00:15:53] these protests reached Avenida Paulista in Sao Paulo,
[00:15:56] where thousands of people questioned the continuity of
[00:16:00] the ultraconservative political project. They also opened
[00:16:03] a debate about the coverage of the Brazilian press, questioned
[00:16:07] for the little visibility these mobilizations had,
[00:16:10] and accusations of censorship by the president against the
[00:16:14] electoral justice have been added, which has been accused of making
[00:16:17] biased decisions against
[00:16:19] his candidacy.
[00:16:27] I think our lawyers will have to file a request for explanation to the electoral
[00:16:30] president, we will not accept the undue interference of the
[00:16:33] electoral justice in the election.
[00:16:37] And Bolivia deserves a separate file because it was there that
[00:16:41] this whole plot emerged with the attack against Nadia Abler, Fernando
[00:16:45] Cerimedo's ex-partner, perpetrated allegedly
[00:16:47] ordered by himself. It was there that Fernando Cerimedo was
[00:16:51] arrested. He remains in preventive detention, has four open
[00:16:55] cases for different charges, which are attempted
[00:16:58] femicide, the main criminal case for which he is serving
[00:17:01] 180 days of preventive detention in the maximum-security prison
[00:17:05] of Palmasola, accused of being the intellectual
[00:17:08] author of the attack with three bullet impacts against Nadia
[00:17:12] Beller. He is also accused of family or domestic violence,
[00:17:15] and a previous independent complaint of attempted femicide
[00:17:19] initiated by the prosecutor's office for alleged psychological
[00:17:22] violence against Nadia Beller. Also, illicit enrichment is
[00:17:26] added to this, an investigation initiated by the Public Ministry
[00:17:29] of La Paz related to suspicious money transfers, suitcases
[00:17:33] of money, bot farms in the raids that have been
[00:17:36] carried out on his properties. And at the same time,
[00:17:39] the prosecutor's office of La Paz expanded the files to include
[00:17:43] crimes of legitimization of illicit gains, usurpation
[00:17:45] of functions, material falsehood, and use of
[00:17:49] falsified instruments. He is also accused of trafficking
[00:17:52] in controlled substances and covering up drug trafficking
[00:17:56] for alleged links of protection to irregular flights
[00:17:59] and drug planes in the municipality of Santana. The Attorney
[00:18:03] General of Bolivia, Roger Mariaca, was the one who pursued
[00:18:06] these causes of the political plot until recently when
[00:18:10] he was arrested after the US Department
[00:18:12] canceled his visa and accused him of acts of corruption,
[00:18:16] bribes, and links and facilities for drug
[00:18:20] trafficking. Roger Mariaca has described this arrest as an
[00:18:23] act of interference and political pressure given the magnitude
[00:18:27] of these cases he was investigating.
[00:18:29] The so-called Cerimedo case,
[00:18:32] for example, has generated
[00:18:35] in political circles,
[00:18:39] but no political pressure, national or
[00:18:42] international, can become an
[00:18:45] impediment to clarifying facts that must
[00:18:48] be investigated. And in his place, they put
[00:18:51] Jorge Armando Orioste,
[00:18:54] over whom public opinion weighs as to whether he will
[00:18:58] continue to apply the full force of the law on
[00:19:01] Fernando Cerimedo and this long list of
[00:19:05] alleged crimes, or if he will heed the government
[00:19:08] of Rodrigo Paz, which seeks to turn the page on this
[00:19:12] great political
[00:19:13] scandal.
[00:19:19] We warmly welcome from Bolivia
[00:19:23] Nadia Beller, Fernando Cerimedo's ex-partner,
[00:19:26] whom we thank very much for being with us on public
[00:19:30] media for Canal 14, exclusively for Ventana al Mundo.
[00:19:33] Thank you very much, Nadia. First of all, we would like
[00:19:37] to thank you for being here with us and ask you
[00:19:41] about your health after suffering this attack
[00:19:44] in previous weeks. Good evening, thank you.
[00:19:47] I am recovering now. It's
[00:19:52] the surgery I had. The fracture is still
[00:19:57] me to overcome because I have nerve
[00:20:00] damage. It is quite painful. Regarding the
[00:20:03] pregnancy I am carrying, I still
[00:20:07] don't have
[00:20:10] certainty whether it is developing
[00:20:13] well. This week I was supposed
[00:20:16] to have a morphological ultrasound, however
[00:20:19] there were threats
[00:20:22] from the Ministry of Government
[00:20:25] that a case would be built against me.
[00:20:28] They started to force situations that
[00:20:32] are not appropriate, to
[00:20:34] build a discursive line against me
[00:20:37] to attack me, to delegitimize me, to link me with
[00:20:41] events with which I have no relation whatsoever.
[00:20:44] So I couldn't even go to the doctor
[00:20:48] this week. How is the judicial
[00:20:52] case at this moment, knowing that there is
[00:20:55] already a prosecutor who has been changed, a prosecutor
[00:20:59] who apparently also
[00:21:02] the current president Rodrigo Paz, who aligns
[00:21:06] with these policies that he has changed regarding
[00:21:09] the judicial cases that you are filing in
[00:21:13] Bolivia?
[00:21:16] There has been no progress, on the contrary, my
[00:21:20] statement in the drug trafficking case
[00:21:23] has been suspended indefinitely, by the way.
[00:21:27] This very controversial situation has come to light,
[00:21:30] that the new prosecutor might have been
[00:21:34] suggested, that is, the legislative assembly
[00:21:37] in Bolivia is completely co-opted by a defection
[00:21:41] by the ruling party. Everyone obeys the
[00:21:44] executive, the president, and the president would have
[00:21:47] given them a line to elect this gentleman.
[00:21:50] It is not a rumor, it is not a suspicion.
[00:21:54] The president of the Senate himself said that
[00:21:58] the president of the state, Rodrigo Paz, gave him
[00:22:01] the name, and he
[00:22:05] and everyone voted for this gentleman
[00:22:08] Urioste. I am not going to
[00:22:11] talk about whether he has the capacity or not,
[00:22:14] meritocracy or not, but it is not acceptable
[00:22:17] for the Public Ministry to be submitted
[00:22:20] by the executive. It is not acceptable for the
[00:22:24] Public Ministry to be aligned with the president it has to
[00:22:28] investigate, because all of Serimedo's actions are linked precisely
[00:22:31] to the president, to the president's circle, to the president's
[00:22:35] family. So, the fact that he chose the new Attorney
[00:22:38] General to his liking and convenience leaves much to be desired regarding
[00:22:42] the rule of law in Bolivia. We would also like
[00:22:44] to ask you about what you know about the links
[00:22:48] between Fernando...
[00:23:01] the links you know of Fernando Cerimedo with Rodrigo Paz and with María
[00:23:04] Elena Orquidi in several matters that go beyond politics, even now
[00:23:08] with illicit matters such as fuel theft and other activities for
[00:23:12] which he is being questioned
[00:23:14] in court.
[00:23:20] The shadow president was the one who ran the government
[00:23:22] by a delegation of power that Rodrigo
[00:23:26] Paz gave him. It cannot
[00:23:29] all the ministers, all the directors of the state,
[00:23:33] answered to him. He put and removed people at his
[00:23:37] whim. He worked in an office next to President
[00:23:40] Rodrigo Paz, and all this he did
[00:23:44] because he had the authorization and the
[00:23:47] authority over all the,
[00:23:50] let's say, subordinates, let's call them that,
[00:23:53] ministers, directors, and company. He
[00:23:57] had them all as subordinates because he carried the representation
[00:24:01] and authority of Rodrigo Paz. So, in function
[00:24:05] of this, he did some
[00:24:08] irregular situations in the state. I have
[00:24:11] provided my cell phone so that the conversations
[00:24:14] can be seen, some audios where
[00:24:18] they were talking precisely about dealings in IPFB,
[00:24:22] about putting people in and taking people out, Fernando reproached
[00:24:25] other government operators how they were handling
[00:24:29] IPFB, he wanted to replace them in their
[00:24:32] place, they talked about them
[00:24:35] falling for $100,000, that whoever wants to make
[00:24:38] money has to do it in two, three years, not in the
[00:24:44] it in the name of the first lady, and that
[00:24:47] he was going to come in, he was going to
[00:24:50] put things in order and that they should leave
[00:24:53] it to him. Situations of that nature are
[00:24:57] documented in the cell phone I provided to the public
[00:25:00] ministry. However, I want something to be very clear:
[00:25:04] they already made me testify in the illicit gains legitimization
[00:25:07] process. They did not put it
[00:25:11] I could expand on what they were asking me. They did it as
[00:25:15] an advance of evidence and they asked me absolutely nothing
[00:25:18] about the first lady. So I see an eagerness to
[00:25:21] cover up this person or any situation that
[00:25:25] needs to be investigated with this person, because
[00:25:28] the questions were quite closed and I had no
[00:25:32] option to complement what they wanted to ask
[00:25:35] me, and they asked me absolutely nothing in relation to
[00:25:39] her. However, the audios are on my cell phone, the mentions
[00:25:43] in the chat are on my cell phone, and well, these are pieces of
[00:25:46] evidence that the public ministry must investigate.
[00:25:50] Now, regarding the case of Mexico, what information
[00:25:53] do you have about Fernando Cerimedo's plans to
[00:25:56] try to intervene in the elections in our country?
[00:25:58] He told me at the time
[00:26:01] that he was going to "blow up" the president, meaning he
[00:26:05] was going to participate in that campaign.
[00:26:07] He didn't tell me who his candidate was,
[00:26:11] but yes, he had a very great
[00:26:14] animosity towards her. He commented
[00:26:17] and I have stated that he
[00:26:20] was breaking up the partnership,
[00:26:24] he was selling his shares to Javier
[00:26:27] Negre due to a personal issue that had to do
[00:26:30] with the divorce he was facing, and because
[00:26:34] of this situation, it bothered him that
[00:26:37] in the confrontation that Javier Negre had with
[00:26:41] the president... Mexican that he is being
[00:26:45] involved when it can be said of him that he had nothing to
[00:26:48] do with those fights and those clashes they had between
[00:26:52] the two of them. However, he did tell me that he was going to
[00:26:55] participate in the Mexican elections and would have his
[00:26:58] candidate because they were extremely interested in removing the
[00:27:01] lady from the presidency, right? Eh, how do
[00:27:05] they, eh, how do they participate in elections? As you
[00:27:09] mentioned before, with distortion of the public debate,
[00:27:12] with cognitive frauds, with dirty
[00:27:15] war, buying influencers, eh,
[00:27:18] with their bot farms that coordinate eh
[00:27:21] attacks, coordinate the
[00:27:25] trending topic, eh, all those things that make
[00:27:28] that, that make it so that the...
[00:27:32] the public debate is distorted.
[00:27:35] Eh, we would like to ask you, Nadia, if there were
[00:27:38] contacts, you know there were contacts between Serimedo and Ricardo Salinas
[00:27:42] Pliego.
[00:27:45] Fernando spoke with many people, eh,
[00:27:49] I understand that they had a media network they worked
[00:27:52] with in Mexico. I
[00:27:55] can't specify the names because they are names that
[00:27:59] at that moment seemed very foreign to me.
[00:28:02] Now, now with the interviews I've heard them a little
[00:28:05] more, but at that moment they seemed very foreign to me, so
[00:28:09] individualizing them is not, not, not easy for me. Of course, and
[00:28:13] why did he feel so afraid of being mentioned in the
[00:28:16] morning, in the morning press conference of President Claudia Sheinbaum about
[00:28:19] all this, all this political plot? He
[00:28:23] felt very exposed, very exposed and
[00:28:27] it was like he liked to work more low
[00:28:29] profile in some cases, because in other cases, for example,
[00:28:33] he responded, he himself exposed himself in
[00:28:36] his work in Bolivia, in his work in Honduras,
[00:28:39] eh, because of the way he answered so arrogantly, so haughty, so
[00:28:43] audacious on Twitter, and showing off
[00:28:48] Latin America and so on, but specifically in the case
[00:28:52] of Mexico, he preferred to stay low profile,
[00:28:56] Mexico, in Peru, the same, in
[00:28:59] Chile, I don't know why, but he preferred a lower
[00:29:03] profile. And now asking you about these
[00:29:06] countries, well, there are already statements from former president
[00:29:10] Gustavo Petro who directly mentions that now that this case you have
[00:29:13] revealed is known, it has perfectly fit
[00:29:17] all the pieces that document the electoral fraud in
[00:29:21] Colombia. What do you know about the
[00:29:25] la Espriella to win the presidency
[00:29:26] presidencia
[00:29:29] about a material fraud, I have no
[00:29:33] knowledge, however, about the way they
[00:29:36] work, yes, eh, I heard about several
[00:29:39] previous meetings they had before
[00:29:42] the elections where they negotiated, look, I
[00:29:45] want something to be understood, regardless of what theory they
[00:29:49] follow an ideological line, they have a commercial
[00:29:52] situation, for example, in the case of Honduras there was a liberal
[00:29:56] candidate, I think it was Nasry Asfura,
[00:29:58] no, eh,
[00:30:02] he's the one who won, but there was a liberal and they destroyed
[00:30:06] him. They don't care about the liberal ideology, they are
[00:30:09] pragmatic, he, eh, Fernando Cerimedo, for example, in
[00:30:12] Bolivia, eh, participated in, eh,
[00:30:16] participated as an advisor to both a presidential
[00:30:20] candidate from the left, like Andrónico
[00:30:22] Rodríguez, an
[00:30:25] heir who believed himself to be a natural
[00:30:28] successor of Evo Morales's MAS party,
[00:30:31] and, in parallel, in Rodrigo Paz's. They are not interested in ideology,
[00:30:35] they are interested in going with whoever
[00:30:38] will pay them and whoever will commit later,
[00:30:41] if they don't pay them, with whoever will commit later to the
[00:30:44] government and and and the government deals with
[00:30:48] transnationals and so on, at their service. Eh,
[00:30:51] they don't care about following an ideological line, so I heard them
[00:30:55] several times in negotiations precisely to
[00:30:59] participate in