CANALCATORCE — broadcast 20261012 023000 UTC 451 transcript segments Google Cloud Speech-to-Text API (Chirp) + Gemini 2.5 Flash Non-Thinking Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:00] No, Hafur is the one who won, but there was a [00:00:03] liberal, they destroyed him, they don't care about [00:00:07] liberal ideology, they are pragmatic. [00:00:11] Fernando Cerimedo, for example, in Bolivia [00:00:14] participated in, participated as an advisor [00:00:18] that situation and what for both a presidential candidate [00:00:22] from the left, like Andrónico Rodríguez, a natural heir [00:00:26] who was believed to be a natural heir to Morales. In [00:00:30] his campaign and parallel to Rodrigo Paz's, they [00:00:33] are not interested in ideology. They are interested in [00:00:36] going with whoever [00:00:38] circle. What will pay them and whoever will commit afterwards, if they don't [00:00:42] pay, with whoever will commit afterwards to the government [00:00:46] years, the promoters of the cryptocurrency and the government's dealings with transnationals and so on at their service. [00:00:49] Eh, they don't care about following an ideological [00:00:53] line. So I heard several times in negotiations [00:00:57] precisely to participate in that [00:01:00] campaign. However, regarding a material [00:01:04] fraud, no, I was not aware of [00:01:07] it. And now, of course, also, [00:01:11] what we are experiencing now in Brazil with this [00:01:14] campaign and what had been [00:01:18] vote buying, of course, what he calls a dividend known since before these elections with Flavio Bolsonaro, what do you [00:01:22] know about the links that Fernando Cerimedo [00:01:26] has had with the Bolsonaro family, either with Jair Bolsonaro, with whom there [00:01:30] were also links at the time, and now with the current right-wing [00:01:33] candidate? In the first days of [00:01:36] August, Fernando sent me a photo [00:01:40] with one of the Bolsonaros in the United States. I [00:01:43] can't, no, I can't specify the date right now because, as I told you, my cell phone [00:01:47] is in the Public Ministry, but [00:01:51] from the 1st to the 5th, when he was in the United States, in that [00:01:55] date range, he sent me a photo, he told me that they were discussing [00:01:58] campaign issues, that he was going to seek funding, [00:02:02] he was going to participate yes or no in that campaign, in that [00:02:05] election, and what they did with Meta is [00:02:09] is by the book, they have very good contacts with [00:02:12] Meta. Eh, in fact, here a journalist [00:02:16] who they themselves made him take down his page, Fernando [00:02:19] intervened to have it returned, and [00:02:22] he told me more than three times at least that he had very [00:02:26] good relations with Meta and could take down or restore any [00:02:30] page. Eh, I have no doubt that his [00:02:34] team, his group has intervened [00:02:36] for this. I understand that there are [00:02:39] complaints of [00:02:42] mainly in the suburbs of electoral infractions by Meta that would have allowed some smear campaigns and the suspension of Lula's [00:02:46] accounts. I have not the slightest doubt that it has been part of a [00:02:50] strategy of this team to [00:02:54] remove visibility. This [00:02:57] issue has been repeated historically, as we have seen in [00:03:00] the case of Argentina, where after the attention of Fernando Cerimedo, [00:03:04] there was a considerable drop in [00:03:07] interactions on the profiles of Javier Miley himself and all [00:03:11] these far-right figures, of the [00:03:14] of living. Talking about what libertarians. What could you add for the case of [00:03:16] Argentina? [00:03:19] Not only in the case of Argentina, in the case of Bolivia also, [00:03:23] support, we'll the president's account went from having more more [00:03:27] 'I laugh' than 'I like' and it was [00:03:30] very evident, and the bot farm they took down [00:03:33] here is tiny, it's tiny. I [00:03:37] said from the first day I was in interviews that there was a much [00:03:40] larger farm, I told them where they were, they never [00:03:44] intervened, I imagine it is still active, [00:03:48] eh, I don't think it's still in the same place, it was in the business [00:03:50] center, they never intervened. [00:03:54] Likewise in Argentina I know that they also have their own bot [00:03:58] farms, I imagine that Fernando's arrest caused some kind [00:04:02] of disorder and for a moment they left them inactive, but [00:04:06] in Saint-Denis, north of Paris, they are fully active, I myself am a victim of them [00:04:09] because they spread a [00:04:12] to repress. So lie, his lawyer goes out and says a lot of nonsense and immediately it is [00:04:16] replicated with their bots, so I [00:04:21] again, by mocking myself am a victim of their farms and they use them everywhere [00:04:23] absolutely in all countries, they use the same modus [00:04:27] operandi and it would not only be this strategy. in [00:04:32] party can make a comeback in bots, Nadia, because let's remember that several [00:04:34] audios also came out from Marlon Ochoa in Honduras, we had him here in an [00:04:37] interview in this space, Ventana al Mundo, where he told us about the [00:04:41] needs to be done is for society persecution he experienced for having denounced electoral fraud through the [00:04:47] the American University, audios where Cerimedo himself said that the vote counts were already ready to favor the current [00:04:50] president [00:04:52] the United States a month before Nazri Asfura. [00:04:55] I, I don't know, as I said, about material fraud, he [00:04:58] never corroborated such a situation, he never [00:05:02] accepted it. What I can refer to is [00:05:05] this situation where they [00:05:09] attack too much mediatic, they give the population to understand [00:05:13] things that do not [00:05:16] exist, that are installed in the imaginary and [00:05:20] that is a modus operandi, right? From there to committing a [00:05:24] material fraud by altering the vote, [00:05:27] I am totally unaware of [00:05:31] we have seen in different photographs that you have released [00:05:35] to the media are the great contacts that [00:05:38] finally take us back to the point of North [00:05:42] America, the United States, where Fernando Cerimedo has had [00:05:45] contact with Brad Parscale, with several people from the Maga [00:05:51] can you tell us about [00:05:54] this intricate network that emerges from that [00:05:57] nation? Brad Parscale is his partner, he is the [00:06:01] one who gives him this technology for him to manage in Latin America, another of [00:06:05] his operators is Andy Rivas. [00:06:08] Eh, regarding Trump Junior, he himself said here in a media [00:06:12] interview with Tufía that [00:06:15] he was a partner in several companies with this [00:06:19] gentleman. Eh, later I published [00:06:22] chats that he sent me, that is, screenshots [00:06:26] where conversations with people from various [00:06:30] countries were seen. He had, he had operators everywhere, [00:06:34] people, people with whom he coordinated in almost all [00:06:37] countries. It calls my attention very much and [00:06:40] even more so now that it is known that in Bolivia there is no rule of [00:06:43] law, that the investigations that have been opened, for [00:06:47] example in Chile, have not already required [00:06:50] cooperation for that phone breakdown, for [00:06:54] them to be able to get [00:06:57] these communications. It calls my attention very much and very powerfully, [00:07:00] this negligence [00:07:03] of the investigation in almost all countries where [00:07:07] electoral manipulation or [00:07:10] some type of electoral crime that was [00:07:14] being investigated is presumed, Mexico should do it, Colombia [00:07:17] should do it, that is, they should go from the media, [00:07:21] the real, the tangible, the legal to demand [00:07:25] that they be part of the phone [00:07:28] breakdown by cooperation or that they be provided with a copy of the [00:07:31] breakdown of this cell phone. There we could [00:07:34] stop speculating from [00:07:37] testimony to having real tangible evidence and [00:07:41] and perhaps to deepen an investigation [00:07:44] seriously. Mexico can do it, Chile can do it, Peru can do [00:07:48] it, Argentina can do it. I was made to testify in a case in Argentina and I [00:07:51] told the attorney general exactly the same thing, that he should do it, that [00:07:55] he should ask for cooperation to be able to access his phone, his [00:07:58] computer. Agreed, well thank [00:08:02] you very much Nadia Beller for expanding on this whole framework, without [00:08:06] a doubt we will be following the legal case [00:08:09] you have in Bolivia very closely and we wish you of course a speedy [00:08:12] recovery, thank you very much for this testimony, for this interview for the [00:08:16] public media of Mexico. Thank you, you too, and don't be [00:08:20] surprised if in a short time the same persecution [00:08:24] that they carried out against the attorney general - who I'm not going to defend [00:08:28] - but the modus operandi is clear and patent, don't be [00:08:31] surprised if they set something up against me because this has [00:08:35] become an autocracy, a persecution. [00:08:38] It is basically an [00:08:42] update of Operation Condor at the time that [00:08:46] we experienced in Latin America, do not be surprised by the persecution, the [00:08:49] disappearances, do not be surprised that there are [00:08:53] even extrajudicial executions, [00:08:56] anything can be expected. Of course, let's hope everything comes [00:08:59] to a good end. Thank you very much, Nadia Beller. Hugs to Bolivia. Thank [00:09:03] you. Let's go with [00:09:04] more. [00:09:22] And amidst all this scenario, the [00:09:25] midterm elections are coming in the United States. We are [00:09:29] almost a month away from it being the thermometer, the [00:09:32] thermometer of Donald Trump's administration, which has [00:09:35] strong accusations, a historical low [00:09:38] in the probabilities that the Republican [00:09:44] the polls so that they can [00:09:48] win something and regain the congress in these elections. This, of [00:09:51] course, amidst the outrage caused by the massive [00:09:55] enrichment of Trump, his allies and his [00:09:57] family. [00:10:05] The enrichment of Donald Trump by making use of his public power not only includes [00:10:09] him, but he has extended this model to his family. On May [00:10:12] 8th, Robert Garcia, leader of the Democrats in the House of [00:10:15] Representatives, requested the Inspector General of the Department of War [00:10:19] to investigate the possible systematic use of government spending to benefit [00:10:23] companies linked to the Trump family. In his letter, Garcia [00:10:26] points out agreements of the Department of War, headed by Pet Heckset [00:10:30] with companies directly related to the president's sons, Eric Trump [00:10:34] and Donald Trump Junior, including Anduril Industries, Firehawk [00:10:37] Aerospace, Psy Quantum, Vulcan Elements, Foundation Future [00:10:41] Industries and Power US, as well as other companies linked to [00:10:45] defense, artificial intelligence and manufacturing. The accusations [00:10:48] gained strength after Trump, last Tuesday, October 6th, announced an [00:10:52] investment of 6 billion dollars in Anduril Industries, of which [00:10:55] 2.9 billion dollars would be contributed directly by the [00:10:59] United States Navy for the construction of a new facility in [00:11:03] Baltimore, Maryland, known as Arsenal [00:11:05] 2.3.7. [00:11:14] billion in a state-of-the-art shipyard that will be known [00:11:18] forever. [00:11:20] According to Nathan Lee of ABC, Anduril has obtained 135 [00:11:24] contracts from the U.S. government, approximately [00:11:28] 1.8 billion dollars from these agreements until October 7th, [00:11:31] the date the report was published, but Anduril is [00:11:34] only the most recent case. In June [00:11:37] 2025, 1789 Capital, a [00:11:40] firm in which Donald Trump Junior is one of six partners, [00:11:44] invested 2.5 billion dollars to acquire a [00:11:47] significant stake in the company. ABC reports that companies [00:11:50] related to Eric and Donald Trump Junior have received [00:11:53] approximately 600 million dollars in active contracts or promises of [00:11:57] investment since the president's sons became involved in them. The [00:12:01] apparent benefits cover industries ranging from drones to mining [00:12:05] and artificial intelligence. Power US, for example, had not [00:12:09] received government contracts until a month after the [00:12:12] Trump brothers announced their participation as investors through [00:12:16] American Ventures. In the mining sector, the Trumps have [00:12:19] invested more than a billion dollars, particularly in Vulcan Elements [00:12:23] specializing in Rare Earths. [00:12:55] reaches in automation, after Eric Trump was appointed chief [00:12:58] strategy advisor at Foundation Future Industries, the [00:13:02] company received its first government contract for 24 million [00:13:05] dollars. A similar scenario occurred at Hydron, [00:13:09] a company focused on automated manufacturing and artificial intelligence, [00:13:12] which received its first agreements with the US Army and Navy for [00:13:16] 32.9 million and 900 million dollars [00:13:20] respectively. Donald Trump, his family and his [00:13:24] allies. [00:13:55] to become rich at the expense of the state. Allan Barrera, Window to the [00:13:58] World. [00:14:04] And the Donald Trump administration opened an investigation against ABC News, [00:14:08] CBS News, CNN, Fox News and NBC News, to [00:14:11] determine if they violated antitrust laws by suspending coverage of [00:14:15] presidential activities. This, let's remember, after in September, [00:14:19] the White House restricted access to CNN, MSNBC and [00:14:23] Politico, by questioning their informative approaches and in response, [00:14:27] these media outlets interrupted coverage for the president for two [00:14:30] days. Now the Department of Justice seeks to determine if the [00:14:34] coordinated action between the networks could constitute a practice prohibited by [00:14:38] antitrust legislation. And well, [00:14:40] in contrast, Donald Trump has now generated controversy [00:14:46] the loyalty of his own followers, he said that they could [00:14:49] applaud him, practically whatever he said, listen [00:14:52] to him. is: [00:15:08] We thank Anabel Ortega, international analyst from [00:15:12] for being with us to talk about [00:15:17] the elections. Welcome Anabel, amidst all this [00:15:21] framework, the framework of the Serimedo [00:15:23] framework, the accusations of irregularities, the [00:15:27] massive enrichment that they already mentioned, how does Donald [00:15:30] Trump arrive, with what face does he come to ask for the vote of the electorate? Well, [00:15:34] we see that Donald Trump has no problem asking for the vote and... and he knows that his [00:15:38] followers will applaud him no matter what he says, right? He just [00:15:42] said it, he has no inconvenience, no. Look how [00:15:46] pertinent this interview is, thanks for the space, but [00:15:49] also right with this previous interview you did [00:15:53] with Nadia and what she is telling us has happened in Latin America, [00:15:57] well, it is a very consistent action by President [00:16:00] Trump. Look, from the beginning of his [00:16:04] campaign to run for this second term, he had [00:16:08] his objectives very clear: to make America great again, but in all [00:16:11] senses, and even when he changed the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of War, [00:16:15] etc., and all that he was building with his followers and especially [00:16:19] with the factual interests that follow him throughout these last [00:16:23] 2 years, which has a lot to do with artificial [00:16:26] intelligence, but especially with the natural resources that are being slowly appropriated [00:16:30] and for this they have resorted to this [00:16:33] intrusion in electoral campaigns against [00:16:37] governments that are protecting certain resources or that have a more [00:16:41] left-wing, more nationalist leaning, which are [00:16:44] definitely an obstacle for them to keep all these rare [00:16:48] earth resources, etc., there they have managed to destabilize [00:16:51] many regions, that's why the Plan Condor [00:16:55] 2.0 has been well spoken of, which is now not because [00:16:58] we are in a cold war and it is against communist [00:17:01] influences, but because we are in a [00:17:05] reconfiguration of the political spectrum [00:17:08] that has to do with not only technology and [00:17:12] artificial intelligence that requires these rare earths and [00:17:15] also the narrow passes as we have been seeing in [00:17:19] Panama, Strait of Hormuz etc., it is a whole [00:17:22] strategy that I don't think is President Trump's idea but a group [00:17:26] of advisors, interests of corporate companies that are [00:17:30] very interested in the economic issue and that [00:17:33] go all out despite everything, despite democracy, [00:17:37] human rights, international agreements, and [00:17:41] of course he tells his voters, well, [00:17:44] I'm doing the work, right? We agreed on this, we are [00:17:48] appropriating Venezuela's oil, for example, for 100 years, and then [00:17:52] he says no one applauded him, I think he says no one says it in the [00:17:55] media, he is being consistent in his actions, [00:17:59] now how attractive it is for the electorate, that's another [00:18:02] story, what has happened with Maga in these two years, [00:18:06] that's also another story, because Americans are used to [00:18:09] looking at things outwards, not outside their territory, they have [00:18:13] fought many wars, the proxy wars, they have had [00:18:17] interventions in Afghanistan, in Iraq, but here when it is already [00:18:21] affecting their economy, then we will see what they are [00:18:24] saying and the polls are not very [00:18:27] favorable for Trump, despite all his strategy that makes him [00:18:31] this man of "Make America Great Again," we don't [00:18:34] exactly see that it is being reflected in his [00:18:37] electorate, yes, perhaps some Maga followers, but [00:18:41] there are very interesting ruptures there, Claudia, you [00:18:45] have also commented on this, what strategy would Trump, the Republican [00:18:48] party, have to use to regain the vote? Here there are [00:18:52] many complicated issues, because because Trump as a brand [00:18:56] is not being so attractive, so the Republicans do have a problem here, [00:18:59] that is, some Republicans prefer to campaign [00:19:03] without the presence of President Trump, to top it all off, President Trump has said, I am going to campaign [00:19:07] now. Especially those states [00:19:10] that are the swing states that give the win, [00:19:14] but what is happening in Maga? It seems to me that [00:19:18] here what the Republicans have to do is to continue the [00:19:21] discourse that this is for the better even if it is not [00:19:24] reflected, because they have rising gas prices, diesel [00:19:27] prices, they are not seeing reflected the gains [00:19:31] in their economy which is what matters most to them, but we also [00:19:34] see that there are groups that are moving very differently than when Maga was [00:19:38] around. We see for example the rise of Mandani in New [00:19:42] York where it was civil society that mobilized more than the Democratic [00:19:45] party, it must be said, but the Democratic party does not [00:19:49] find that space, that emotional [00:19:52] awakening, of attachment, of loyalty, that can say, [00:19:55] let's go against all this, let's go with this nonsense, these [00:19:59] aggressions against the main partners, Canada, Mexico, of [00:20:01] course, against the Europeans as he has mistreated them. I [00:20:05] see that the campaigns of the Democrats are not [00:20:09] finding this narrative space, this [00:20:12] attractive space so that they can also be a strong [00:20:15] opposition. It seems to me that what [00:20:19] to mobilize, and Republicans know it, they know that if [00:20:22] society doesn't move with them it will be very difficult, although we know there is [00:20:26] an electoral college that is not necessarily the votes that count in the end, [00:20:30] but the Democrats do not find this [00:20:33] space even when with this... very low popularity, it's at [00:20:37] 32, 33%, President Trump, they can lose [00:20:40] some seats in the lower house, but I'm not [00:20:44] so sure in the Senate, that's going to be much more competitive now. [00:20:47] What does it mean for people, the lower house like the chamber of [00:20:51] deputies, well, it can manage to do an impeachment, [00:20:55] that is, want to remove him from [00:20:58] power, but the Senate is the one that qualifies [00:21:01] those proofs, so we are going to see this whole month [00:21:05] a series of attacks and let's remember also that every time [00:21:09] there are campaigns and especially with these bots, with these [00:21:12] strategies that they have, not of what Nadia has just told [00:21:15] us, how they are going to make emotions [00:21:19] exacerbate, to go towards very aggressive [00:21:22] messages, because when there are these types of [00:21:26] polarizations, leaders need their radicals, they need those who [00:21:29] do mobilize and that can be a scenario not [00:21:33] pleasant for Americans definitely, agreed and [00:21:36] measures of course also so [00:21:39] desperate dramatic as giving this [00:21:42] $5 bonus, etc. and of course the increase in smear [00:21:46] campaigns, not what we've seen on social media, well, above all. But [00:21:50] also totally illegal, that is, we are also facing a very [00:21:53] serious challenge to institutions, very serious to democracy [00:21:57] which has been the guarantor of the world, right, liberal [00:22:00] democracy, eh, all these things outside the norm, right, what [00:22:04] to say, well, we are going to give them money, it's [00:22:08] of profits, etc., but it seems to me that today more than [00:22:11] ever the United States is at a crossroads of [00:22:15] attending to institutions or going for autocracy [00:22:18] completely, very well, then. We will be pending of what happens, thank you very much [00:22:22] Anabel Ortega for expanding on this panorama, on the contrary, a pleasure as always and let's be very [00:22:25] attentive, thank you, thank you, let's go with more. [00:22:45] And in France, a week of student protests [00:22:48] against what has been experienced, a [00:22:52] deprivation practically of education [00:22:54] services in that country, the report is from our colleague Miguel [00:22:58] Martínez from France. [00:23:02] The student movement in France, which has started with high school students, [00:23:06] is spreading to various universities, since the [00:23:09] next budget plans to freeze housing [00:23:13] aid, also university ones, even [00:23:16] from the private sector are in solidarity with the rest of the movement. [00:23:20] movement, but also all the workers' unions are joining, [00:23:23] let's see what are the main demands of high [00:23:27] school students, lack of [00:23:29] teachers in high schools, [00:23:32] large cities, the facilities are very [00:23:36] degraded and have not been adequately [00:23:39] maintained, most of the facilities are more than [00:23:43] 60 years old. You should know that there are privileged high schools in France like Louis le Grand and [00:23:46] Henri, they are the best high schools in France. They, as soon as they have a teacher who is absent, well, in fact [00:23:50] right after they will have a replacement, whereas in the suburbs, well, they really don't have any [00:23:54] teachers, they pass their bac at the end of the year and a bac at the end of the year without [00:23:57] a teacher, well, that's a bac that's doomed to fail in advance and so they have [00:24:00] no future because without a bac, without a diploma, having a future is [00:24:04] impossible and in France, in Macron's France, it's hard, they make no [00:24:08] effort and frankly we are outraged because the suburbs have no teachers and it's [00:24:11] unacceptable, well, and in the classrooms when it's hot it's [00:24:15] very hot and sometimes it can be complicated. [00:24:19] There you go, and when it's cold it's very [00:24:22] cold. There you go, well, [00:24:25] there you go, and and moreover the classrooms are degraded, sometimes the [00:24:29] tables are also degraded. There you go, especially since we are [00:24:33] from a suburban high school, it's different from Paris. [00:24:47] Police repression has also been. of protest. At the beginning of the [00:24:51] movement, the police repressed a blockade [00:24:56] which caused widespread rejection, but the police [00:24:59] have continued [00:25:02] far, at least 6600 [00:25:05] students have been detained, of whom [00:25:08] 87% of them are minors. [00:25:11] Images like these are repeated in every [00:25:14] blockade, with police detaining minors and putting them on the [00:25:18] ground. Protests have been peaceful, [00:25:22] but the police presence has caused tensions and [00:25:25] clashes. From Paris, Miguel [00:25:28] Martínez reported. 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[00:30:08] public [00:30:08] debate. [00:30:15] Friends, good evening, we are on public [00:30:18] debate. A ghost haunts Latin America [00:30:22] and it is no longer the military coups of the 70s, now [00:30:25] it is the digital coups of the Trumpian era, a [00:30:29] kind of algorithmic coup through large digital [00:30:32] platforms, social networks, the use of [00:30:36] artificial intelligence with hundreds, perhaps thousands [00:30:39] of millions of dollars that include [00:30:42] managers, businessmen, [00:30:44] mercenaries, and specialized technologists in [00:30:48] segmenting lies to voters, and [00:30:52] who undertake cognitive warfare strategies [00:30:55] wherever they go. They have undoubtedly advanced in [00:30:58] less.