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[00:00:00] we have the people, that's why I said today that in my case I value this so much
[00:00:03] in the family, let's say that
[00:00:06] despite the fact that it was a town where I grew up, I had a mother who
[00:00:10] was a warrior, who came out to defend me more than once,
[00:00:13] the importance of when girls have family
[00:00:17] support, which today I see that I dedicate myself to helping my colleagues with name
[00:00:21] changes, and I value it so much when mothers
[00:00:24] call me and tell me that their daughter or son
[00:00:27] is 5 years old,
[00:00:30] tremendous problem in the bodies 7 years old, 8 years old, and they are already moving and fighting to make the name and gender change
[00:00:34] of their son or daughter, and
[00:00:38] I say how good, if this had happened before to so many colleagues,
[00:00:52] know
[00:00:55] my name is Collette Spinetti,
[00:00:58] I am an activist, a social activist
[00:01:02] for the rights of trans people, transfeminist,
[00:01:06] and at this moment
[00:01:09] for three days, I direct CTU, which is the trans collective of Uruguay
[00:01:13] and I am part of national and regional organizations.
[00:01:30] I am a literature professor, I work in public
[00:01:34] secondary education, I am a dance teacher,
[00:01:37] I work at the Sodre,
[00:01:40] I was born in the interior, in Paso de los Toros, I am
[00:01:44] from Isabelina, I came to Montevideo very young to study.
[00:02:05] as I was telling you a little while ago, Colette, for example, whom I love
[00:02:09] very much, she is a great
[00:02:12] example for me and others also,
[00:02:16] like Cris Mirót, I identified a lot with Cris Miróu
[00:02:19] from Argentina,
[00:02:22] although of course I didn't get to
[00:02:25] see her, I saw her in
[00:02:29] videos and on YouTube and those things
[00:02:32] when I was older, but well, I didn't see her much on
[00:02:36] television and
[00:02:39] 14 presents in the truth is that what I saw on television was something I didn't like,
[00:02:42] all that constant mockery,
[00:02:46] and no, it's not just that, no, no, it's not that I don't
[00:02:49] like mockery, it's that you don't like mockery
[00:02:53] when the person doesn't defend themselves, no, when the person
[00:02:57] keeps playing the game
[00:03:00] without defending themselves, without
[00:03:03] saying anything, without raising their voice and
[00:03:07] saying, well, but I am
[00:03:10] like this and it's fine,
[00:03:13] as if to be on TV you had to lend yourself to that and not
[00:03:17] defend yourself, clear, clear, and that, that part I didn't like,
[00:03:21] go attend that they hit you, they hit with fallacies against you, they hit you and
[00:03:24] you can't say anything, it seemed like something I didn't
[00:03:28] want for my life, that I didn't want... to do I didn't want to do that, or
[00:03:32] one thinks of those videos of Cris Miró, of
[00:03:35] Florencia de la B, the inappropriate questions were also like the mockery
[00:03:39] or the out-of-place
[00:03:42] question, yes, and with Cris Miró, that happened to me, that I saw
[00:03:45] how she responded, it was with such
[00:03:49] dignity and a way of responding
[00:03:53] that the truth is that it gave a few slaps
[00:03:56] and well, I loved that.
[00:04:01] Yes, you thought that you were going to end up working in front of the
[00:04:05] camera, that you were going to be part of
[00:04:08] that?
[00:04:11] taking the pulse of the city, with I always liked it, it always attracted me a lot, I didn't know how
[00:04:15] it was going to be, for a long time I thought
[00:04:18] it was going to be through art and that is something
[00:04:22] that will surely happen at some point, that you don't
[00:04:25] discard, that in reality I like it, it
[00:04:29] attracts me a lot and I feel very comfortable
[00:04:32] with acting, for example,
[00:04:35] but I didn't know it was going to be
[00:04:37] Arcoiris, of course, like this, leading a program
[00:04:40] is an
[00:04:43] violent for us, yes, because whatever opportunity that I loved, that
[00:04:46] came very
[00:04:49] us happy, unexpectedly
[00:04:51] what shames us, and well, I'm taking
[00:04:54] advantage of it, I also discovered that
[00:04:57] I love it and it's something I plan to
[00:05:01] put a lot of effort into and invest a lot of
[00:05:04] time in.
[00:06:26] Hello, how
[00:06:27] are you?
[00:06:32] In this month, which is like a month where topics related to
[00:06:36] diversity are brought up,
[00:06:39] there are things that perhaps are I don't know, correct me, perhaps
[00:06:43] they are easier, less traumatic for
[00:06:47] adolescents, children who are
[00:06:50] trans in today's Uruguay than they were when you were a child or
[00:06:54] adolescent, not to mention 20 or 30 years ago, but what
[00:06:57] things do you think should still
[00:07:00] be on the table, what topics do you think
[00:07:03] we should
[00:07:05] make visible?
[00:07:08] First of all, I
[00:07:11] tell you that I am in contact with some families of
[00:07:15] boys and girls, and the truth
[00:07:18] is that today the fact that
[00:07:21] fathers and mothers have more information at their
[00:07:24] fingertips is a
[00:07:27] very important tool
[00:07:31] that is generating a lot,
[00:07:33] that is bearing a lot of fruit,
[00:07:37] it is helping adolescents
[00:07:39] a lot. I believe that
[00:07:43] everything that has to do with the trans issue must
[00:07:47] continue to be put on the table, we must continue talking
[00:07:50] about non-binary bodies
[00:07:53] and
[00:07:56] well, accepting that all people are
[00:08:00] different,
[00:08:02] also, but accepting them from a
[00:08:05] real place, not because today
[00:08:08] we see many flags, many rainbows
[00:08:12] in many places where you really
[00:08:15] don't know how committed
[00:08:18] you are to the cause, no.
[00:08:22] This thing that sometimes they only call you in
[00:08:26] September to do a campaign and
[00:08:29] it's only then and not at any other time
[00:08:33] of the year, only to talk about those topics and
[00:08:37] not to do your real work,
[00:08:40] and that already tells you that well,
[00:08:44] there is a lack, there is a lack, there is a lack of real commitment
[00:08:47] and not from the "oh, it's all good, but for the photo,"
[00:08:51] as it is often said, no, that, that,
[00:08:55] that phrase keeps appearing to me very
[00:08:58] often lately, which is that
[00:09:02] well, they are for the photo, but
[00:09:05] or to show off,
[00:09:08] let's say, but but really a commitment is needed,
[00:09:13] real and not so much commitment, simply
[00:09:16] opening doors and letting things
[00:09:20] flow. This Thursday we continue
[00:09:24] the mobile we go to the Galpón theater because there will be, we
[00:09:26] didn't have role models, no, that is, of course, an era
[00:09:30] without social networks,
[00:09:33] well, communications,
[00:09:37] for us who are from the interior, coming to
[00:09:40] Montevideo was an adventure. But that's why I
[00:09:43] said, when I saw the first trans colleagues
[00:09:46] in
[00:09:49] you would go to Arcoiris and you would see those monuments that
[00:09:53] I say you would see Katy enter, you would see Doriana, Taiana enter,
[00:09:56] and you would really move those guitar bodies and you would be left
[00:10:00] looking, people who
[00:10:03] marked a history in society,
[00:10:07] in a society that persecuted them,
[00:10:09] and violated them, and
[00:10:13] putting their bodies on the line, all the colleagues who worked for years on
[00:10:17] Boulevard, and that again, I wrote an
[00:10:20] article about the colleagues who worked, who worked
[00:10:24] on Boulevard. And that many of them we have forgotten, and yet
[00:10:27] they conquered that space as a political
[00:10:30] space, not because Boulevard is a political
[00:10:34] space of visibility, that today colleagues
[00:10:37] can be working without the
[00:10:41] police chasing them, those colleagues who, well,
[00:10:44] who ran in their heels,
[00:10:47] who were taken to jail, they were violated,
[00:10:51] all the rest they suffered from the cold.
[00:10:55] continue to follow trans people who are in those spaces,
[00:10:58] but I mean those colleagues who and who the
[00:11:02] next day, when they came out two or three days later, they would go back to
[00:11:06] boulevards, as if to say, here I am
[00:11:08] again, but also look,
[00:11:12] I worked on boulevards, and I was arrested 2000 times,
[00:11:16] like all my colleagues, the
[00:11:19] thing about when you get out of jail and you have to go back to boulevard,
[00:11:23] you have to, it's your means of living, that's what
[00:11:27] you have to do, what you have to pay your bills with, like any ordinary person,
[00:11:31] to eat, so you leave
[00:11:34] they let you go walking without a penny, you were waiting for nightfall to stand
[00:11:38] again and well, because at home you would arrive and no one was waiting for you with a plate of
[00:11:42] hot food, so the
[00:11:44] need, or the landlady of the boarding house was waiting to tell you, did
[00:11:48] you bring me the money to pay me, if not, you have to leave,
[00:11:51] without them caring about three days without earning money.
[00:11:55] Yes, yes, I was listening to them and I am on the other side,
[00:11:59] well, you are 23 years old, yes, many generations
[00:12:02] later, I was listening to them and I have had role models,
[00:12:06] unlike them who say they didn't have role models, would you say it's
[00:12:09] different to transition if
[00:12:11] you are, yes, totally different, in what way is it
[00:12:15] different, and look, we, I don't know of any
[00:12:19] case, but we, I don't think we have to access
[00:12:21] the how do they say it.
[00:12:25] visual, I think I know, I don't know any boy who has to
[00:12:28] access that, this, why not, you said that because
[00:12:32] they don't realize, that there is something there like people don't realize that things
[00:12:36] change, like the way
[00:12:38] things happen, yes, we are different, I wouldn't know how to tell
[00:12:42] you in what sense, but there are people, like today I was talking to her, she didn't
[00:12:46] realize when she saw me that I was a trans boy, she asked me because
[00:12:50] she didn't know if I was or if I wasn't, our transition is different,
[00:12:53] you see? They resort to other types of
[00:12:57] treatments to eliminate hair and ours grows like that from one day
[00:13:01] to the next and you don't realize if we are or not unless
[00:13:05] you are not transitioning with hormones,
[00:13:07] you see? This
[00:13:10] hormones are sexist, I see that there are also
[00:13:12] emotions, men's hormones are very
[00:13:16] strong. Even in that you
[00:13:20] have boxes and boxes and boxes
[00:13:23] and well, we, before, as they commented, were not so
[00:13:27] visible, now we are much more visible, but not
[00:13:30] so much, because as we were commenting, you say trans and you think
[00:13:34] of a trans woman, a prostitute, not in
[00:13:37] my case, but people who don't know much about the topic, the word
[00:13:41] transvestite, for example, that was used, refers to a
[00:13:44] woman, no one thinks of a man, clear, and
[00:13:48] no one calls us transvestites, nothing,
[00:13:52] we are not so discriminated against, we are discriminated
[00:13:55] against, but not in the same way that a trans woman is discriminated against, at least I feel that way, I
[00:13:59] have not, as I told you before, felt discrimination, maybe I
[00:14:03] felt discrimination before, yes, from the
[00:14:06] transition from woman to man, but since I made this
[00:14:10] transition, I have not felt discrimination, and if they did, I don't give them
[00:14:13] importance, I always say it, it's not something that affects
[00:14:17] me, that matters to me, I don't
[00:14:20] listen to them, this, and well, I believe
[00:14:23] that it will always be
[00:14:26] different for men than for women, what happens is that there is this that you
[00:14:29] say happens a lot to trans men, this that is
[00:14:33] known as passing,
[00:14:37] sis passing, that is, passing as a cis
[00:14:40] person, clear, but that also has to do with this
[00:14:44] that Paula brings up and I always defend it,
[00:14:47] it's how you stand,
[00:14:50] I love wearing
[00:14:54] heels, I
[00:14:56] love seeing myself feminine, I
[00:14:59] love it, what the other person likes is the other person's
[00:15:03] problem, exactly, it's not my problem,
[00:15:06] so in the case of trans men,
[00:15:10] as I told you a bit jokingly, testosterone,
[00:15:14] hormones are sexist, they have a super
[00:15:17] fast effect, and suddenly women,
[00:15:20] that is, trans women,
[00:15:23] have to undergo many
[00:15:27] treatments, and then there's this that Paula also mentioned,
[00:15:30] which needs to be made visible, there are colleagues who
[00:15:34] cannot access a razor.
[00:15:38] Ah, there are colleagues who have
[00:15:41] the possibility
[00:15:44] of perhaps going to Europe to
[00:15:48] get everything done, very well, and others who
[00:15:50] inject themselves with silicone, and who
[00:15:54] hurt themselves, it's a tremendous problem because in
[00:15:57] reality, in other times,
[00:16:01] they also accessed clandestine hormone treatments, industrial
[00:16:04] silicone, which generated a
[00:16:08] of trans women, infections, hospitalizations,
[00:16:37] well, death.
[00:17:05] I listen to all four of you and I think
[00:17:08] that the price you paid for being who you are is much higher than what I could have paid,
[00:17:12] of course, yes,
[00:17:14] of course,
[00:17:18] without a doubt, everything costs us double, without a doubt, in
[00:17:21] fact, look, it happens to us
[00:17:24] all the time, we are at work or
[00:17:28] we go to the store
[00:17:30] or we go to the supermarket and the security guard follows
[00:17:33] you,
[00:17:36] we don't go. and the security guard follows you, I have turned
[00:17:40] around and told him, why are you following me, do you think I'm going to
[00:17:43] steal from you, no, I go to
[00:17:47] stores and the girls from the stores
[00:17:50] follow me, so there's a distrust in the trans
[00:17:53] world, and if you work you have to prove
[00:17:55] doubly
[00:17:57] that you can work, that you comply with the schedule, that you are a good
[00:18:01] worker, you must experience that, right,
[00:18:05] if you are a professional. 50,000 times, that
[00:18:09] you are a good professional, that you have intellectual capacity, that
[00:18:12] you have, so it's like oh, I mean, all the time I have to
[00:18:16] be proving that I am a human being,
[00:18:20] a capable human being, and then on top of that you come, you violate
[00:18:24] me and you murder me,
[00:18:27] this that you said about the price that has to be paid, the truth is that we have
[00:18:31] been paying it historically, right, with the exclusion we live in
[00:18:34] every sense, not to an educational center to
[00:18:38] study and receive bullying, receive violence,
[00:18:41] blows, mockery, no, and
[00:18:45] the same in health centers, when trans people go to health centers
[00:18:48] for care, that's where you experience the most discrimination,
[00:18:52] because they start calling
[00:18:54] you by your deadname,
[00:18:58] the voice, from the moment you enter, they
[00:19:02] treat you and you feel you have to clarify with the doctor, yes, it has happened to me to clarify, because
[00:19:05] they send us to a gynecologist. and when we are there
[00:19:09] are 10 women, one man, the
[00:19:11] stares, for me it's horrible, it's the worst
[00:19:15] thing in the world to be observed by so many women for being at a
[00:19:18] gynecologist or whatever, they are looking for your pregnant
[00:19:21] wife, all of that, when I had to have surgery, I was in the room to
[00:19:25] have a mammogram so I could have my breasts removed, how they
[00:19:29] observed me, it's very uncomfortable, it's unpleasant to have to go through that, but
[00:19:32] well, that's why the name change is so important, what Paula said,
[00:19:36] it's because they call you by your deadname, of course
[00:19:40] that happened, imagine us sitting here and as we are sitting
[00:19:43] Pablo, Colette and I sitting in public health to be
[00:19:47] attended by a doctor, you see a girl, you enter, you see a girl, a
[00:19:50] girl, she doesn't attract attention, suddenly until she came out and it seemed like they did it
[00:19:54] on purpose, so-and-so with first and last name, but they said
[00:19:58] the first name to the last name,
[00:20:01] so of course everyone did
[00:20:04] this, also the stigmatization
[00:20:07] that trans people live, like, well, I attend the trans
[00:20:11] person, HIV analysis directly, as if
[00:20:14] all the time we are stigmatized,
[00:20:17] first thing, and the truth is it's very
[00:20:20] you go for, because you go to Chile, you go to get treatment
[00:20:24] because you have, I don't know, dirt in your eye and they send
[00:20:28] you for an HIV test and they send you for an
[00:20:30] HIV test.
[00:20:32] Ah, I left the society I was in before because
[00:20:36] of that issue, I was a reference and when she
[00:20:39] found out I was trans, the first thing she said to me, after asking
[00:20:43] me if I had left, no, and I
[00:20:46] told her I am a trans woman, doctor,
[00:20:50] and she says, oh, I'm going to send you for an HIV test,
[00:20:53] what, imagine my mouth,
[00:20:55] no.
[00:21:02] The trans population within what is considered the
[00:21:05] LGBTQ+ population,
[00:21:09] is like the one that still has less
[00:21:11] visibility, it has more restricted
[00:21:14] rights, let's say that they are still
[00:21:17] like the weakest link,
[00:21:21] no, yes, I
[00:21:24] depend on where you look at the weak point,
[00:21:28] I myself feel that
[00:21:31] I have gone through a lot of things that
[00:21:34] people have no idea about, and they see you
[00:21:38] looking great, and they don't
[00:21:42] everything that, well, everything you had to overcome,
[00:21:46] that, well, the world tells you something,
[00:21:50] that you are something that puts you in a place and you, as
[00:21:54] best you can, have to get out of
[00:21:58] there, scratching your way out because
[00:22:00] it's difficult, sometimes we
[00:22:04] think that strength not everyone has it,
[00:22:08] not everyone lives these things and
[00:22:10] can stand up to tell about it and to
[00:22:14] overcome them in their life,
[00:22:16] no.
[00:22:25] There is a society that does not understand that a trans
[00:22:29] person lives half the life of a person in Uruguay, it's like you can't
[00:22:33] believe it because you say we are talking about human rights, about people's
[00:22:36] lives, and that people and society do not manage to empathize with
[00:22:40] that, it is extremely painful for us, it was even
[00:22:43] handled in the discussion of the trans
[00:22:47] law regarding hormone therapy in particular for children
[00:22:50] and adolescents, this thing like,
[00:22:53] well, if one day you want to be a sheep then no, like
[00:22:57] examples of that type, discussions that went in that
[00:23:00] direction, also a negative
[00:23:03] handling by the media, by some
[00:23:06] media,
[00:23:09] because in reality it was never proposed to hormone children, girls, or
[00:23:12] boys, they don't need hormones, what happens
[00:23:16] is that you don't forget that those who were the
[00:23:20] detractors of this law were
[00:23:23] headed by neo-pentecostal factors, let's call things
[00:23:26] by their name, Amarilla,
[00:23:30] Dastugue and Afigliola,
[00:23:33] and all those neo-pentecostal churches are
[00:23:36] advancing in Latin America in such a way, you go to Central America and
[00:23:39] the radio stations are from the neo-pentecostal churches, the media
[00:23:43] are from the neo-pentecostal churches, the deputies, the senators, the
[00:23:47] presidents are, and that is advancing and we thought that would
[00:23:51] not reach Uruguay, gentlemen, it has arrived,
[00:23:54] and all, all
[00:23:57] those who made these
[00:24:01] false, lying,
[00:24:03] arguments,
[00:24:07] the comprehensive law for trans people, were led
[00:24:10] by neo-pentecostal pastors, and neo-pentecostal
[00:24:13] churches have a lot of money to finance, and we, civil
[00:24:17] society organizations, don't have a penny.
[00:24:21] Everything comes out of our own pockets and we eat bread to be able to take
[00:24:24] a bus to come to an interview, that is, when they call us for an
[00:24:28] interview, and maybe that day we don't
[00:24:32] buy rice, we don't buy bread because we spend
[00:24:35] it on the bus ticket to an interview because it's a
[00:24:39] medium where we can have an impact and some
[00:24:42] don't speak and some don't speak because it has a cost,
[00:24:45] exactly, exactly, everything has a
[00:24:48] cost, and in this context, today, Uruguay
[00:24:51] 2021, all this has a political cost and all
[00:24:55] this has a cost of persecution, what happens is that it has already cost
[00:24:58] us enough, so sitting down to talk for us
[00:25:02] is fundamental because we have already
[00:25:06] paid everything we could to this
[00:25:09] society, right, so
[00:25:13] for us it is important to sit down to denounce,
[00:25:15] for people to understand, for people to know our realities,
[00:25:20] for them to realize that we are talking about nothing more and nothing less
[00:25:23] than human rights, not like the right to food, to
[00:25:27] work, to health, to occupy public spaces, many times we can't even go out into
[00:25:30] the streets because they violate us, because they insult us, you can't
[00:25:34] sit in a square and have a tea or a mate,
[00:25:37] because there is always that violence that we have to
[00:25:41] live daily, and this that Colette said, about an absent
[00:25:44] state, obviously it worries us, because
[00:25:48] we have a president, for example, who did not vote for the same-sex marriage law, he did not vote for the
[00:25:52] comprehensive law for trans people when we are telling him that trans people have a life
[00:25:55] expectancy of 35 years,
[00:25:58] we are not represented by...
[00:26:02] we are 1200 in the country, so it is
[00:26:05] difficult, right, when on top of that there is a proposal
[00:26:08] for cuts, of a pro-life agenda that
[00:26:12] violates us, that stigmatizes us, so it is
[00:26:16] very difficult, if we support each other among the collectives, among
[00:26:19] the colleagues, we have formed a support network at the country level, the
[00:26:23] social organizations because it is necessary because we are alone,
[00:26:26] we are really alone, so this that Colette
[00:26:30] said, we took this on.
[00:26:33] To bring food to those people who don't have food in the middle of a pandemic,
[00:26:36] and there is an absent state
[00:26:39] that does not care about this population, which has a life
[00:26:43] expectancy of 35 years, I emphasize it a lot because it is
[00:26:46] very important to emphasize this, that trans
[00:26:49] people are alone, well,
[00:26:52] thank you very much to the four of you for accepting this
[00:26:56] here in a place that, like the
[00:26:59] Cabildo, where citizens decided to be part of
[00:27:03] Uruguay and and and we thought it was good to do it
[00:27:06] here because well, also to think that
[00:27:09] there are citizens whom, as we said today, we leave a little on the margins
[00:27:13] sometimes, thank you very much, well, thank
[00:27:16] you very much for sharing with our
[00:27:20] colleagues, it was truly a pleasure, well, thank
[00:27:23] you, and be free, thank you very much, and may this serve to
[00:27:27] to reach society to
[00:27:30] others facilitate the path of other companies. to the new generations,
[00:27:34] well, for my part, thank you very much for the invitation and it's good to share the experiences of each
[00:27:38] one and it was very good, thank you very much.
[00:29:58] Hello, I'm María Teresa Priego, in
[00:30:00] openly today we talk with the... anthropologist Aida Hernández
[00:30:03] Castillo, author of "Exhume Hope, a feminist ethnography
[00:30:06] in the country of graves," analysis and testimony, the
[00:30:09] concepts and the action of the land, love, longings
[00:30:13] and the strength of the searching mothers.
[00:30:16] When Rosalva began her investigation with the searching
[00:30:19] mothers of El Fuerte, their response was clear: to
[00:30:23] accompany, one must put one's body, make a path together,
[00:30:26] the search in life, the forensic search, before which
[00:30:30] the mothers say they do not search. for bones, we search for treasures,
[00:30:34] let's listen to Ida, what is chorography, how is
[00:30:37] a chorography of
[00:30:39] hope created,
[00:30:42] we must speak, speak of our
[00:30:45] desires, speak of what
[00:30:48] hurts us, what makes
[00:30:53] what scares us, we carry so much
[00:30:56] inside, silenced and secret,