CBCNEWS — Power and Politics With David Cochrane
20260807 220000 UTC
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[00:00:26] I'M AARTI POLE. WE HAVE BREAKING NEWS TO
[00:00:29] WE HAVE BREAKING NEWS TO BRING YOU ON CANADA'S TRADE BRING YOU ON CANADA'S TRADE NEGOTIATIONS.
[00:00:32] NEGOTIATIONS. SOURCES SAY THE FEDERAL SOURCES SAY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS IT TALKS ABOUT GOVERNMENT IS IT TALKS ABOUT TRADE CONCESSIONS WITH THE
[00:00:36] TRADE CONCESSIONS WITH THE U.S. IN RETURN FOR SOME U.S. IN RETURN FOR SOME TARIFF RELIEF. TARIFF RELIEF. THAT INFORMATION WAS
[00:00:39] THAT INFORMATION WAS CONFIRMED BY THE CBC'S KATIE CONFIRMED BY THE CBC'S KATIE SIMPSON, WHO JOINS US FROM
[00:00:42] SIMPSON, WHO JOINS US FROM OUR PARLIAMENTARY BUREAU OUR PARLIAMENTARY BUREAU WITH THOSE BREAKING DETAILS.
[00:00:46] WITH THOSE BREAKING DETAILS. >> Katie: FOR FIRST TIME, >> Katie: FOR FIRST TIME, WE'RE GETTING A SNAPSHOT,
[00:00:48] WE'RE GETTING A SNAPSHOT, WHAT IS HAPPENING BEHIND WHAT IS HAPPENING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WHEN COMES TO CLOSED DOORS WHEN COMES TO THOSE VERY HIGH-STAKES TALKS
[00:00:53] THOSE VERY HIGH-STAKES TALKS BETWEEN CANADA AND THE BETWEEN CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES, AS DONALD
[00:00:56] UNITED STATES, AS DONALD TRUMP'S TARIFF THREATS, HIS TRUMP'S TARIFF THREATS, HIS LATEST TARIFF THREATS LOOMS
[00:00:59] LATEST TARIFF THREATS LOOMS OVER THIS COUNTRY. OVER THIS COUNTRY. A COUPLE OF THINGS BEFORE I A COUPLE OF THINGS BEFORE I COMPETE INTO THE SPECIFIC
[00:01:03] COMPETE INTO THE SPECIFIC DETAILS. DETAILS. ALL THE INFORMATION I'M ALL THE INFORMATION I'M ABOUT TO SHARE IS ACCORDING
[00:01:06] ABOUT TO SHARE IS ACCORDING TO TWO INDUSTRY SOURCE
[00:01:08] TO TWO INDUSTRY SOURCE THAT'S CBC NEWS IS GRANTING
[00:01:11] THAT'S CBC NEWS IS GRANTING AND SO MANY KNIT TO TO
[00:01:14] AND SO MANY KNIT TO TO DISCUSS AND "THE GLOBE AND DISCUSS AND "THE GLOBE AND MAIL" WAS IF FIRST TO REPORT
[00:01:17] MAIL" WAS IF FIRST TO REPORT ON THESE CONVERSATIONS.
[00:01:19] ON THESE CONVERSATIONS. CBC WAS ABLE TO MATCH THE CBC WAS ABLE TO MATCH THE STOREY AND ADD SOME MORE
[00:01:23] STOREY AND ADD SOME MORE DETAILS AND CONTEXT TO DETAILS AND CONTEXT TO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
[00:01:26] WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. WE'RE STARTING TO FINALLY WE'RE STARTING TO FINALLY GET A SENSE OF WHAT THE GET A SENSE OF WHAT THE CANADIANS ARE ASKING FOR AND
[00:01:30] CANADIANS ARE ASKING FOR AND WHAT THE CANADIANS WILLING WHAT THE CANADIANS WILLING TO GIVE UP IN ORDER SORT
[00:01:33] TO GIVE UP IN ORDER SORT EASE THIS ONGOING TRADE WAR. EASE THIS ONGOING TRADE WAR. WE ARE TOLD, ACCORDING TO
[00:01:36] WE ARE TOLD, ACCORDING TO TWO INDUSTRY SOURCES, THAT TWO INDUSTRY SOURCES, THAT CANADA IS WILLING TO MAKE
[00:01:39] CANADA IS WILLING TO MAKE SOME CHANGES WHEN IT COMES SOME CHANGES WHEN IT COMES TO THE ALCOHOL BANS, TO MEET
[00:01:42] TO THE ALCOHOL BANS, TO MEET THE AMERICAN DEMANDS TO BAN
[00:01:47] THE AMERICAN DEMANDS TO BAN AMERICAN BOOZE ON CANADIAN AMERICAN BOOZE ON CANADIAN SHELVES.
[00:01:50] SHELVES. ALSO WILLING TO MEET SOME
[00:01:53] ALSO WILLING TO MEET SOME DEMANDS IT COMES TO LIFTING DEMANDS IT COMES TO LIFTING TARIFFS ON THE AUTO SECTOR,
[00:01:56] TARIFFS ON THE AUTO SECTOR, AND MAKING CHANGES WHEN AND MAKING CHANGES WHEN COMES TO THE DAIRY SECTOR.
[00:01:59] COMES TO THE DAIRY SECTOR. HOWEVER, NOT ANYTHING TO DO HOWEVER, NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DISMANTLING OF WITH THE DISMANTLING OF SUPPLY MANAGEMENT.
[00:02:03] SUPPLY MANAGEMENT. THAT REMAINS A FIRM THING THAT REMAINS A FIRM THING THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT
[00:02:06] THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT ISN'T GOING TO BE CHANGING, ISN'T GOING TO BE CHANGING, BUT WILLING TO MEET DEMAND
[00:02:09] BUT WILLING TO MEET DEMAND HAD COMES TO QUOTA SYSTEMS HAD COMES TO QUOTA SYSTEMS AND CANADIAN SHELVES.
[00:02:12] AND CANADIAN SHELVES. BIG HEADLINE OUT OF THAT, BIG HEADLINE OUT OF THAT, THAT REALLY NASTY STICKING
[00:02:16] THAT REALLY NASTY STICKING POINT AMERICANS DON'T LIKE, POINT AMERICANS DON'T LIKE, CANADIANS HAVE INDICATED TO CANADIANS HAVE INDICATED TO THE AMERICANS THEY ARE
[00:02:20] THE AMERICANS THEY ARE WILLING TO GIVE UP ON THE WILLING TO GIVE UP ON THE BOOZE BANS THEY GET BOOZE BANS THEY GET SOMETHING IN EXCHANGE.
[00:02:23] SOMETHING IN EXCHANGE. WHAT ARE THE CANADIANS P WHAT ARE THE CANADIANS P PUSHING FOR? PUSHING FOR? WHAT WE'RE TOLD, ACCORDING
[00:02:27] WHAT WE'RE TOLD, ACCORDING TO THESE TWO INDUSTRY SO TO THESE TWO INDUSTRY SO SOURCES, IS THE MAIN THING SOURCES, IS THE MAIN THING CANADA IS PUSHING FOR IN
[00:02:31] CANADA IS PUSHING FOR IN THIS MOMENT. THIS MOMENT. WE DO NOT WANT THOSE NEW WE DO NOT WANT THOSE NEW TARIFFS, THE 50% TARIFFS ON
[00:02:35] TARIFFS, THE 50% TARIFFS ON SOME CANADIAN GOODS THAT ARE SOME CANADIAN GOODS THAT ARE SET TO COME INTO EFFECT ON SET TO COME INTO EFFECT ON AUGUST 19th.
[00:02:38] AUGUST 19th. THOSE CANNOT COME INTO THOSE CANNOT COME INTO EFFECT, AND IT'S BEEN EFFECT, AND IT'S BEEN EXPRESSED TO THE AMERICANS
[00:02:42] EXPRESSED TO THE AMERICANS THAT THAT'S SORT OF VIEWED THAT THAT'S SORT OF VIEWED AS A MAKE OR BREAK MOMENT.
[00:02:45] AS A MAKE OR BREAK MOMENT. IF THE AMERICANS GO AHEAD IF THE AMERICANS GO AHEAD AND PUT THOSE NEW TARIFFS
[00:02:48] AND PUT THOSE NEW TARIFFS ON, THERE WILL BE NO ON, THERE WILL BE NO POLITICAL SPACE IN CANADA TO
[00:02:52] POLITICAL SPACE IN CANADA TO GET BACK TO ANY SORT OF GET BACK TO ANY SORT OF NEGOTIATIONS.
[00:02:55] NEGOTIATIONS. THAT WILL BE A VERY THAT WILL BE A VERY DIFFICULT BILL FOR CANADIANS
[00:02:58] DIFFICULT BILL FOR CANADIANS TO SWALLOW, AND IT WON'T BE TO SWALLOW, AND IT WON'T BE THE POLITICAL APPETITE TO
[00:03:00] THE POLITICAL APPETITE TO SORT OF ENGAGE IN THAT WAY. SORT OF ENGAGE IN THAT WAY. THE OTHER THING CANADIANS
[00:03:04] THE OTHER THING CANADIANS ARE SEEKING FOR ARE LOWER ARE SEEKING FOR ARE LOWER TARIFF RATES WHEN IT COMES
[00:03:07] TARIFF RATES WHEN IT COMES TO SECTORAL TARIFFS ON TO SECTORAL TARIFFS ON STEEL, ON ALUMINUM, ON THE
[00:03:10] STEEL, ON ALUMINUM, ON THE LUMBER INDUSTRY, THOSE KIND LUMBER INDUSTRY, THOSE KIND OF TARIFFS.
[00:03:13] OF TARIFFS. THEY ARE CALLED 232 TARIFFS. THEY ARE CALLED 232 TARIFFS. THE CANADIANS ARE LOOKING
[00:03:16] THE CANADIANS ARE LOOKING FOR LOWER RATES, THE BEST FOR LOWER RATES, THE BEST RATE OF ANY COUNTRY IN THE
[00:03:19] RATE OF ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE WORLD AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE THE AMERICANS HAVE SAID TO
[00:03:22] THE AMERICANS HAVE SAID TO THE CANADIANS UNDER NO THE CANADIANS UNDER NO CIRCLE THERE BE NO TEAR
[00:03:25] CIRCLE THERE BE NO TEAR WHIFF IT COMES TO THAT. WHIFF IT COMES TO THAT. -- TARIFF WHEN COMES TO T
[00:03:29] -- TARIFF WHEN COMES TO T THAT. THAT. AS LONG AS PRESIDENT TRUMP AS LONG AS PRESIDENT TRUMP IS PRESIDENT, THERE WILL BE
[00:03:33] IS PRESIDENT, THERE WILL BE THESE TARIFFS. THESE TARIFFS. CANADA IS SEEKING A BETTER CANADA IS SEEKING A BETTER RATE, A HERE RATE.
[00:03:36] RATE, A HERE RATE. THAT'S SOMETHING THEY ARE THAT'S SOMETHING THEY ARE PUSHING FOR. PUSHING FOR. ANOTHER THING THE CANADIANS
[00:03:40] ANOTHER THING THE CANADIANS ARE ASKING FOR, THEY WANT A ARE ASKING FOR, THEY WANT A JOINT STATEMENT SAYING THAT
[00:03:43] JOINT STATEMENT SAYING THAT CANADA AND THE U.S. ARE
[00:03:45] CANADA AND THE U.S. ARE GOING TO BE PUSHING A HED
[00:03:48] GOING TO BE PUSHING A HED WITH THE CUES MANY -- AHEAD WITH THE CUES MANY -- AHEAD WITH THE CUSMA TALKS.
[00:03:52] WITH THE CUSMA TALKS. MEXICO AND THE UNITED STATES MEXICO AND THE UNITED STATES HAVE BEEN HOLDING FORMAL HAVE BEEN HOLDING FORMAL NEGOTIATIONS TO ENSURE THE
[00:03:56] NEGOTIATIONS TO ENSURE THE FREE TRADE AGREEMENT BETWEEN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT BETWEEN ALL THREE COUNTRIES REMAINS ALL THREE COUNTRIES REMAINS IN PLACE.
[00:04:00] IN PLACE. IT'S ALREADY IN A STATE OF IT'S ALREADY IN A STATE OF LIMBO RIGHT NOW AS IT'S LIMBO RIGHT NOW AS IT'S REVIEWED AND ALL COUNTRIES
[00:04:04] REVIEWED AND ALL COUNTRIES REVIEWING WHAT TO DO NEXT.
[00:04:08] REVIEWING WHAT TO DO NEXT. CANADA WANTS TO REMAIN IN CANADA WANTS TO REMAIN IN THAT DEAL AND KEEP THE THAT DEAL AND KEEP THE UNITED STATES IN THAT DEAL.
[00:04:12] UNITED STATES IN THAT DEAL. ONE THING CANADA WANTS IS ONE THING CANADA WANTS IS FOR THE AMERICANS TO COME FOR THE AMERICANS TO COME OUT AND SAY ALONGSIDE THE
[00:04:17] OUT AND SAY ALONGSIDE THE CANADIANS IS YES, WE'RE CANADIANS IS YES, WE'RE GOING TO PUSH THAT, GET THAT
[00:04:21] REVIEW RELATED TO THE TRADE DEAL UNDER WAY. DEAL UNDER WAY. THIS IS SORT OF THE FIRST
[00:04:24] THIS IS SORT OF THE FIRST SNAPSHOT OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN SNAPSHOT OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN HERE. HERE. WE'RE ALSO TOLD CANADIAN AND
[00:04:28] WE'RE ALSO TOLD CANADIAN AND AMERICAN OFFICIALS HAVE AMERICAN OFFICIALS HAVE AGREED TO HAVE SOME FORM OF AGREED TO HAVE SOME FORM OF CONTACT EVERY DAY BETWEEN
[00:04:32] CONTACT EVERY DAY BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST 19th. NOW AND AUGUST 19th. NOT NECESSARILY THE HIGHEST
[00:04:35] NOT NECESSARILY THE HIGHEST SORT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN SORT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE NEGOTIATIONS, BUT THE NEGOTIATIONS, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE DAILY
[00:04:39] THERE'S GOING TO BE DAILY CONTACT. CONTACT. AND THAT WE ALREADY KNOW
[00:04:41] AND THAT WE ALREADY KNOW THAT DOMINIC LeBLANC GOING THAT DOMINIC LeBLANC GOING BACK TO WASHINGTON NEXT W
[00:04:45] BACK TO WASHINGTON NEXT W WEEK. WEEK. WE'RE HEARING AMBASSADOR WE'RE HEARING AMBASSADOR GREER, WHO IS HIS AMERICAN
[00:04:49] GREER, WHO IS HIS AMERICAN COUNTERPART, THE TOP PERSON COUNTERPART, THE TOP PERSON ON TRADE, THAT HE'S OPEN TO
[00:04:53] MEETINGS WHEN COMES TO NEXT WEEK. WEEK. BUT AGAIN, IS THE FIRST TIME BUT AGAIN, IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SORT OF GOTTEN SOME
[00:04:57] WE'VE SORT OF GOTTEN SOME INSIGHT INTO WHAT CANADA IS
[00:04:58] INSIGHT INTO WHAT CANADA IS WILLING TO DO, WHAT CANADA
[00:05:01] IS REALLY PUSHING FOR. THE BIG HEADLINE OUT OF THIS THE BIG HEADLINE OUT OF THIS IS SORT OF THE CONCESSIONS
[00:05:04] IS SORT OF THE CONCESSIONS CANADA APPEARS TO BE WILLING CANADA APPEARS TO BE WILLING TO PUT ON THE TABLE IN ORDER
[00:05:08] TO GET SOMETHING IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT. FOR THAT. IT HAS TO DO WITH THE BOOZE
[00:05:10] IT HAS TO DO WITH THE BOOZE BANS, THE WAY DAIRY QUOTAS BANS, THE WAY DAIRY QUOTAS ARE LOOKED AT.
[00:05:13] ARE LOOKED AT. NOT A DISMANTLING OF SUPPLY NOT A DISMANTLING OF SUPPLY MANAGEMENT. MANAGEMENT. WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT SKMRIS
[00:05:17] WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT SKMRIS THE YOU CLEAR.
[00:05:18] THE YOU CLEAR. SOME RE-- EXPLICITLY CLEAR.
[00:05:22] SOME RE-- EXPLICITLY CLEAR. CANADA WILLING TO PULL BACK CANADA WILLING TO PULL BACK AND MEET SOME DEMAND RELATED
[00:05:26] AND MEET SOME DEMAND RELATED TO THOSE, IN ORDER MAKE SURE TO THOSE, IN ORDER MAKE SURE THOSE 50% TARIFFS DON'T COME
[00:05:30] THOSE 50% TARIFFS DON'T COME INTO EFFECT ON AUGUST 19th
[00:05:33] INTO EFFECT ON AUGUST 19th TO GET THE CUSMA NEGOT TO GET THE CUSMA NEGOT NEGOTIATIONS BACK ON TRACK,
[00:05:36] NEGOTIATIONS BACK ON TRACK, AND TO GET SOME SECTORAL AND TO GET SOME SECTORAL TARIFF RELIEF IT COMES TO
[00:05:39] TARIFF RELIEF IT COMES TO STEEL, ALUMINUM AND LUMBER. STEEL, ALUMINUM AND LUMBER. WE'LL HAVE MORE ON "POWER
[00:05:42] WE'LL HAVE MORE ON "POWER AND POLITICS." AND POLITICS." I'M FILLING IN FOR OUR
[00:05:44] I'M FILLING IN FOR OUR WONERFUL COLLEAGUE DAVID WONERFUL COLLEAGUE DAVID COCHRANE, AND THE REPORTING
[00:05:48] COCHRANE, AND THE REPORTING I'VE DONE IS BASED ON WHAT I'VE DONE IS BASED ON WHAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH KATE
[00:05:52] I'VE SPOKEN WITH KATE McKENNA IN OUR OTTAWA McKENNA IN OUR OTTAWA BUREAU.
[00:05:54] BUREAU. WE'LL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW IT. WE'LL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW IT. WE'LL HAVE A FULL WRITE-UP WE'LL HAVE A FULL WRITE-UP AND
[00:06:00] MAJOR ISSUES. FOR MORE REACTION TO THIS
[00:06:02] FOR MORE REACTION TO THIS NEWS, WE WANT TO BRING IN
[00:06:07] NEWS, WE WANT TO BRING IN FLAVIO VOLPE AND WE ALSO
[00:06:14] FLAVIO VOLPE AND WE ALSO SERVES ON THE CANADA SERVES ON THE CANADA ECONOMIC RELATIONS. ECONOMIC RELATIONS. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US SO
[00:06:18] THANK YOU FOR JOINING US SO QUICKLY. QUICKLY. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. OF COURSE, THIS IS SOMETHING
[00:06:22] OF COURSE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU MUST HAVE HEARD THAT YOU MUST HAVE HEARD ABOUT, AS THERE WERE ABOUT, AS THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS THAT TOOK
[00:06:25] CONVERSATIONS THAT TOOK PLACE WITH THE MINISTER PLACE WITH THE MINISTER RESPONSIBLE FOR CANADA-U.S. RESPONSIBLE FOR CANADA-U.S. TIES.
[00:06:29] TIES. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THESE WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THESE PROPOSALS IN TERMS OF PROPOSALS IN TERMS OF CONCESSIONS?
[00:06:32] CONCESSIONS? IN SOME CASES, CONCESSIONS IN SOME CASES, CONCESSIONS HAVE BEEN MADE WITH NOT A
[00:06:35] HAVE BEEN MADE WITH NOT A LOT OF MOVEMENT.
[00:06:39] LOT OF MOVEMENT. >> I WANT TO SAY FIRSTLY, >> I WANT TO SAY FIRSTLY, HERE AT THE TABLE.
[00:06:42] HERE AT THE TABLE. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT SERIOUS IT'S IMPORTANT THAT SERIOUS SENIOR IN-PERSON NEGOTIATION
[00:06:45] SENIOR IN-PERSON NEGOTIATION THERE'S HAPPENING IN THERE'S HAPPENING IN WASHINGTON WITHOUT A RETURN WASHINGTON WITHOUT A RETURN TICKET.
[00:06:48] TICKET. THAT'S DIFFERENT.
[00:06:51] THAT'S A COMMITMENT TO GETTING SOMETHING DONE BY
[00:06:53] GETTING SOMETHING DONE BY AUGUST 19th DEADLINE.
[00:06:56] AUGUST 19th DEADLINE. I THINK IN THE CANADIAN I THINK IN THE CANADIAN INTEREST HERE IS TO GET A
[00:06:59] INTEREST HERE IS TO GET A COMPREHENSIVE DEAL DONE, NOT COMPREHENSIVE DEAL DONE, NOT VUS TO ADDRESS THE CURRENT
[00:07:02] VUS TO ADDRESS THE CURRENT THREATS, BUT TO ADDRESS ALL
[00:07:04] THREATS, BUT TO ADDRESS ALL OUTSTANDING ISSUES. OUTSTANDING ISSUES. I KNOW EVERYBODY IS INT
[00:07:09] I KNOW EVERYBODY IS INT INTERESTED, ESPECIALLY YOUR
[00:07:11] INTERESTED, ESPECIALLY YOUR VIEWERS IN WHAT THE DETAILS VIEWERS IN WHAT THE DETAILS ARE.
[00:07:15] ARE. TO SOME DEGREE, I WANT SAY
[00:07:17] TO SOME DEGREE, I WANT SAY YOU DON'T PLAY POKER WITH YOU DON'T PLAY POKER WITH YOUR CARDS FACE UP.
[00:07:20] YOUR CARDS FACE UP. THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD MUTUALLY OVERLAPPING
[00:07:23] MUTUALLY OVERLAPPING INTERESTS THAT THE AMERICANS INTERESTS THAT THE AMERICANS ARE RECOGNIZING, AND THERE'S
[00:07:26] ARE RECOGNIZING, AND THERE'S A LOT OF IRRITANTS THAT THE A LOT OF IRRITANTS THAT THE CANADIANS ARE RECOGNIZING. CANADIANS ARE RECOGNIZING. AND THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO
[00:07:30] AND THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF AUGUST 19th WITH A AUGUST 19th WITH A COMPREHENSIVE DEAL, WE'RE
[00:07:34] COMPREHENSIVE DEAL, WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THINGS TODAY
[00:07:36] DOING THE RIGHT THINGS TODAY TO GET THERE. TO GET THERE. >> Aarti: IN TERMS OF SOME
[00:07:40] >> Aarti: IN TERMS OF SOME OF THOSE POTENTIAL ITEMS OF THOSE POTENTIAL ITEMS THAT MIGHT BE ON THE TABLE,
[00:07:43] THAT MIGHT BE ON THE TABLE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOMETHING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S CONTENTIOUS AS THAT
[00:07:46] THAT'S CONTENTIOUS AS THAT BOOZE BAN, THAT IS SOMETHING BOOZE BAN, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, OF COURSE, THE THAT, OF COURSE, THE PROVINCES HAVE PUT INTO
[00:07:51] PROVINCES HAVE PUT INTO EFFECT. EFFECT. IT'S NOT SHE SORT OF FEDERAL
[00:07:54] IT'S NOT SHE SORT OF FEDERAL RETALIATORY MOVE -- NOT SOME
[00:07:56] RETALIATORY MOVE -- NOT SOME SORT OF FEDERAL RETALIATORY SORT OF FEDERAL RETALIATORY MOVE.
[00:08:00] MOVE. HOW MUCH CAN WE EXPECT FROM HOW MUCH CAN WE EXPECT FROM PROVINCIAL COUNTERPARTS, WHO PROVINCIAL COUNTERPARTS, WHO HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY
[00:08:04] HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY DETERMINED WITH THAT MOVE? DETERMINED WITH THAT MOVE? AND IT HAS GOTTEN ATTENTION
[00:08:07] AND IT HAS GOTTEN ATTENTION ON THE U.S. SIDE AS WELL.
[00:08:10] ON THE U.S. SIDE AS WELL. >> WELL, WE HEARD DOUG FORD >> WELL, WE HEARD DOUG FORD HIMSELF IN WASHINGTON, LAST
[00:08:13] HIMSELF IN WASHINGTON, LAST TIME WE WAS DOWN THERE IN TIME WE WAS DOWN THERE IN PERSON A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO
[00:08:16] PERSON A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO IN A VERY PUBLIC SCRUM IN A VERY PUBLIC SCRUM SAYING, LOOK, WE RECOGNIZE
[00:08:19] SAYING, LOOK, WE RECOGNIZE THAT'S THAT TACTIC THAT HAS THAT'S THAT TACTIC THAT HAS GOT THE RETENTION IS AN
[00:08:23] GOT THE RETENTION IS AN IMPORTANT IRRITANT FOR THEM.
[00:08:26] IMPORTANT IRRITANT FOR THEM. IT'S A COUNTER-MOVE THAT IT'S A COUNTER-MOVE THAT CAME FROM THE PROVINCE, THAT
[00:08:29] CAME FROM THE PROVINCE, THAT HE'S WILLING TO DROP IT, IF
[00:08:33] HE'S WILLING TO DROP IT, IF THEY ARE WILLING TO BRING
[00:08:36] THEY ARE WILLING TO BRING CUSMA, THEY ARE WILLING TO
[00:08:39] CUSMA, THEY ARE WILLING TO DROP 2322.
[00:08:42] DROP 2322. WE ALREADY HAVE THE -- 232. WE ALREADY HAVE THE -- 232. WE ALREADY HAVE THE
[00:08:45] WE ALREADY HAVE THE PROVINCIAL PREMIER PROVINCIAL PREMIER RESPONSIBLE FOR MOST
[00:08:47] RESPONSIBLE FOR MOST IRRITATING COUNTER-MOVE IRRITATING COUNTER-MOVE SAYING, HE'S READY AND
[00:08:50] SAYING, HE'S READY AND WILLING TO PLAY.
[00:08:53] WILLING TO PLAY. YOU DON'T PUT THAT ON THE YOU DON'T PUT THAT ON THE TABLE UNTIL YOU SEE -- YOU
[00:08:57] TABLE UNTIL YOU SEE -- YOU DON'T PUSH IT ACROSS UNTIL DON'T PUSH IT ACROSS UNTIL YOU SEE THAT MOVEMENT.
[00:09:01] YOU SEE THAT MOVEMENT. BUT I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT BUT I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT DOUG FORD DOING THE RIGHT
[00:09:04] DOUG FORD DOING THE RIGHT THING. THING. I'M WORRIED THAT WE GET THE
[00:09:07] I'M WORRIED THAT WE GET THE CONDITIONS THAT REQUIRE THAT
[00:09:09] CONDITIONS THAT REQUIRE THAT MOVE IN PLACE, SO THAT IT'S
[00:09:12] MOVE IN PLACE, SO THAT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, A USELESS
[00:09:15] NOT, YOU KNOW, A USELESS CONCESSION. CONCESSION. >> Aarti: IN TERMS OF THE >> Aarti: IN TERMS OF THE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS, AND
[00:09:19] ONGOING CONVERSATIONS, AND WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION BY SAYING IT'S IMPORTANT TO
[00:09:22] BY SAYING IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE THAT CANADA AND NOTE HERE THAT CANADA AND THE U.S., THAT THESE THE U.S., THAT THESE COUNTERPARTS ARE IF
[00:09:26] COUNTERPARTS ARE IF CONVERSATIONS, THAT THERE CONVERSATIONS, THAT THERE ARE TALKS. ARE TALKS. CANADA ISN'T AT THE TABLE.
[00:09:30] CANADA ISN'T AT THE TABLE. THEY CONTINUING. THEY CONTINUING. WE ARE RECEIVING SOME WE ARE RECEIVING SOME REPORTING NOW FROM THE CBC'S
[00:09:34] REPORTING NOW FROM THE CBC'S KATE McKENNA THAT, IN FACT, KATE McKENNA THAT, IN FACT, THE U.S.-CANADA TRADE THE U.S.-CANADA TRADE MINISTER SO MANY NICK
[00:09:38] MINISTER SO MANY NICK LeBLANC, WHO HAS BEEN IN LeBLANC, WHO HAS BEEN IN WASHINGTON FOR PAST FEW D WASHINGTON FOR PAST FEW D DAYS, INCLUDING THAT U.S.
[00:09:42] DAYS, INCLUDING THAT U.S. TRADE REPRESENTATIVE -- TRADE REPRESENTATIVE -- DOMINIC -- WILL BE COMING DOMINIC -- WILL BE COMING BACK TO OTTAWA.
[00:09:45] BACK TO OTTAWA. CHIEF NEGOTIATOR JANYCE CHIEF NEGOTIATOR JANYCE CHARETTE REMAINING IN
[00:09:48] CHARETTE REMAINING IN WASHINGTON OVER THE WEEKEND. WASHINGTON OVER THE WEEKEND. WE KNOWS THESE CONVERSATIONS WE KNOWS THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE CONTINUING.
[00:09:52] ARE CONTINUING. THERE WILL BE POINTS OF THERE WILL BE POINTS OF CONTACT LEADING UP TO THE CONTACT LEADING UP TO THE AUGUST 19th DEADLINE.
[00:09:56] AUGUST 19th DEADLINE. HOW MUCH DO YOU BELIEVE, HOW MUCH DO YOU BELIEVE, FLAVIO, THAT AUGUST 19th,
[00:09:59] FLAVIO, THAT AUGUST 19th, THAT ADDITIONAL PRESSURE IS THAT ADDITIONAL PRESSURE IS STARTING TO MOVE THE DIAL?
[00:10:02] STARTING TO MOVE THE DIAL? >> WELL, I THINK AMERICANS >> WELL, I THINK AMERICANS ARE STARTING TO UNDERSTAND
[00:10:06] ARE STARTING TO UNDERSTAND AND THE WHITE HOUSE, AND THE AND THE WHITE HOUSE, AND THE PRESIDENT'S CABINET STARTING
[00:10:09] PRESIDENT'S CABINET STARTING TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE REALLY ISN'T A LOT OF REALLY ISN'T A LOT OF POLITICAL WIGGLE ROOM FOR
[00:10:13] POLITICAL WIGGLE ROOM FOR CANADIAN GOVERNMENT. CANADIAN GOVERNMENT. IF WE GET TO THE OTHER SIDE
[00:10:15] IF WE GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT AUGUST 19th, AND THE
[00:10:18] OF THAT AUGUST 19th, AND THE AMERICANS PUT ON TARIFFS
[00:10:21] AMERICANS PUT ON TARIFFS THAT COME FROM SPURIOUS
[00:10:24] THAT COME FROM SPURIOUS ARGUMENTS. ARGUMENTS. YOU KNOW, SAYING THAT OUR
[00:10:28] YOU KNOW, SAYING THAT OUR COUNTER-MOVES DISCRIMINATE
[00:10:31] COUNTER-MOVES DISCRIMINATE AGAINST U.S. INTEREST, AND AGAINST U.S. INTEREST, AND THEY HAVE TO ACT, THAT IT'S
[00:10:33] THEY HAVE TO ACT, THAT IT'S AN ESCALATION THAT REDUCES AN ESCALATION THAT REDUCES THE WIGGLE ROOM FOR THE
[00:10:37] THE WIGGLE ROOM FOR THE PRIME MINISTER TO KEEP PRIME MINISTER TO KEEP PEACE.
[00:10:40] PEACE. I THINK CANADIANS HAVE I THINK CANADIANS HAVE EXPRESSED THIS LOUDLY AND
[00:10:43] EXPRESSED THIS LOUDLY AND CLEARLY ON HAD NETWORK AND CLEARLY ON HAD NETWORK AND OTHERS THAT HEY -- ON THIS
[00:10:46] OTHERS THAT HEY -- ON THIS NETWORK THAT HEY, AT SOME NETWORK THAT HEY, AT SOME POINT, IT'S TOO MUCH. POINT, IT'S TOO MUCH. THERE IS THAT ON AMERICAN
[00:10:50] THERE IS THAT ON AMERICAN SIDE. SIDE. I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THAT I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE PRIME MINISTER LEADS A
[00:10:54] THE PRIME MINISTER LEADS A GOVERNMENT THAT IN ITS GOVERNMENT THAT IN ITS DESIGN, A LITTLE BIT MORE
[00:10:58] DESIGN, A LITTLE BIT MORE REQUIRING CONSENSUS, THAN REQUIRING CONSENSUS, THAN BEING ABLE TO JUST WRITE
[00:11:01] BEING ABLE TO JUST WRITE EXECUTIVE ORDERS. EXECUTIVE ORDERS. ON THE FLIP SIDE FOR CANADA,
[00:11:04] ON THE FLIP SIDE FOR CANADA, I THINK WE'RE TAKING VERY
[00:11:07] I THINK WE'RE TAKING VERY SERIOUSLY THIS NEW SERIOUSLY THIS NEW INSTRUMENT ON THE TABLE AND
[00:11:10] INSTRUMENT ON THE TABLE AND THIS NEW DEADLINE, BUT ALSO THIS NEW DEADLINE, BUT ALSO SAYING, LOOK, WE'RE GOING TO
[00:11:13] SAYING, LOOK, WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO FORMAL CONVE GET INTO FORMAL CONVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT NEW
[00:11:17] CONVERSATIONS ABOUT NEW THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THE
[00:11:21] OLD THINGS YOU PUT ON. LIKE AUTOMOTIVE, WE HAVE LIKE AUTOMOTIVE, WE HAVE BEEN SITTING WITH TARIFFS ON BEEN SITTING WITH TARIFFS ON CARS MADE IN CANADA FOR OVER
[00:11:25] CARS MADE IN CANADA FOR OVER A YEAR NOW. A YEAR NOW. YOU'RE NOT ADDRESSING THOSE
[00:11:27] YOU'RE NOT ADDRESSING THOSE THINGS, THEN WHY ARE WE
[00:11:30] THINGS, THEN WHY ARE WE SITTING DOWN FACE FACE FOR? SITTING DOWN FACE FACE FOR? IF YOU AGREE TO SIT DOWN,
[00:11:34] IF YOU AGREE TO SIT DOWN, THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WE THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WE SHOULD DO TOGETHER -- SHOULD DO TOGETHER -- COOPERATION ON ENERGY,
[00:11:37] COOPERATION ON ENERGY, MINERALS, DEFENCE. MINERALS, DEFENCE. LET'S PUT IT ALL TOGETHER.
[00:11:40] LET'S PUT IT ALL TOGETHER. LET'S DECIDE THAT NOW IS THE LET'S DECIDE THAT NOW IS THE MOMENT TO RESET THE
[00:11:45] MOMENT TO RESET THE RELATIONSHIP, AND GIVE IT A RELATIONSHIP, AND GIVE IT A SHOT.
[00:11:48] SHOT. NOW, OF COURSE, THE NOW, OF COURSE, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HAS TO AGREE, BUT
[00:11:51] STATES HAS TO AGREE, BUT HE'S SHOWN WITH HIS MOST HE'S SHOWN WITH HIS MOST SENIOR OFFICIALS SITTING
[00:11:54] SENIOR OFFICIALS SITTING DOWN FACE-TO-FACE NOW IN A DOWN FACE-TO-FACE NOW IN A FREQUENT CADENCE WITH OURS,
[00:11:58] FREQUENT CADENCE WITH OURS, THAT THEY ARE MORE THAN
[00:11:59] THAT THEY ARE MORE THAN ENTERTAINING THAT.
[00:12:02] ENTERTAINING THAT. >> Aarti: FLAVIO, YOU HAVE >> Aarti: FLAVIO, YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING TO AS PART OF, BEEN TALKING TO AS PART OF, OF COURSE, THIS ADVISORY
[00:12:06] OF COURSE, THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. COMMITTEE. BUT YOU HAVE THIS OTHER HAT BUT YOU HAVE THIS OTHER HAT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, TOO,
[00:12:10] THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, TOO, WHICH IS THE AUTOMOTIVE WHICH IS THE AUTOMOTIVE MANUFACTURING ASSOCIATION.
[00:12:13] MANUFACTURING ASSOCIATION. ONE OF THE DETAILS HERE THAT ONE OF THE DETAILS HERE THAT WE'RE LEARNING IS THAT IT
[00:12:16] WE'RE LEARNING IS THAT IT COULD INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF COULD INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF RETALIATORY TARIFFS ON RETALIATORY TARIFFS ON PRODUCTS LIKE AUTOS.
[00:12:20] PRODUCTS LIKE AUTOS. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE AUTO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE AUTO INDUSTRY AND JUST HOW MUCH
[00:12:23] INDUSTRY AND JUST HOW MUCH THEY ARE HURTING RIGHT NOW THEY ARE HURTING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THIS ONGOING
[00:12:26] BECAUSE OF THIS ONGOING TRADE WAR, HOW DO YOU THINK TRADE WAR, HOW DO YOU THINK IT MIGHT BE RECEIVED?
[00:12:29] IT MIGHT BE RECEIVED? >> WELL, I'LL TELL YOU >> WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT'S BEING RECEIVED, THE
[00:12:32] WHAT'S BEING RECEIVED, THE IDEA IS BEING RECEIVED. IDEA IS BEING RECEIVED. I SPEAK RATHER REGULARLY
[00:12:35] I SPEAK RATHER REGULARLY WITH THE COMPANIES THAT WE WITH THE COMPANIES THAT WE REPRESENT. REPRESENT. ON THE ONE HAND, YOUR
[00:12:39] ON THE ONE HAND, YOUR VIEWERS MIGHT NOT REMEMBER, VIEWERS MIGHT NOT REMEMBER, BUT WE DO EVERY SINGLE DAY
[00:12:42] BUT WE DO EVERY SINGLE DAY THAT IN MAY OF LAST YEAR, WE THAT IN MAY OF LAST YEAR, WE MANAGED ADVOCATE FOR AN
[00:12:46] MANAGED ADVOCATE FOR AN EXEMPTION EXEMPTION FOR EXEMPTION EXEMPTION FOR CANADIAN AUTOPARTS FROM THIS
[00:12:49] CANADIAN AUTOPARTS FROM THIS NATIONAL SECURITY TARIFF. NATIONAL SECURITY TARIFF. SO THERE ARE NO TARIFFS ON SO THERE ARE NO TARIFFS ON PARTS.
[00:12:52] PARTS. SO WE'RE ABLE KEEP THE PART SO WE'RE ABLE KEEP THE PART BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY THE
[00:12:55] BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY THE EXPORT BUSINESS GOING REALLY EXPORT BUSINESS GOING REALLY WELL. WELL. ON VEHICLES, WE'RE DOWN 25%
[00:12:59] ON VEHICLES, WE'RE DOWN 25% ASSEMBLED IN CANADA BUT ASSEMBLED IN CANADA BUT SKPORTED, BUT 25 TO 30% A
[00:13:03] SKPORTED, BUT 25 TO 30% A YEAR -- EXPORTED. YEAR -- EXPORTED. YEAR OVER YEAR.
[00:13:06] YEAR OVER YEAR. AND THE COUNTER OF TARIFFS AND THE COUNTER OF TARIFFS ARE A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF
[00:13:09] ARE A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF PROTECTING THAT FOOTPRINT, PROTECTING THAT FOOTPRINT, NOT JUST SAYING HEY, BY THE
[00:13:12] NOT JUST SAYING HEY, BY THE WAY, YOU CAN TARIFF OUR WAY, YOU CAN TARIFF OUR VEHICLES, BUT YOURS COME IN
[00:13:16] VEHICLES, BUT YOURS COME IN NO PROBLEM. NO PROBLEM. ANY REMOVAL OF THAT COU
[00:13:19] ANY REMOVAL OF THAT COU COUNTER-TARIFFS HAS TO BE COUNTER-TARIFFS HAS TO BE PACKAGED TOGETHER WITH THE
[00:13:22] PACKAGED TOGETHER WITH THE RELIEF ON THESE SECTION 232
[00:13:25] RELIEF ON THESE SECTION 232 TARIFFS ON ASSEMBLED TARIFFS ON ASSEMBLED VEHICLES.
[00:13:28] VEHICLES. THE CANADIAN TEAM KNOWS T THE CANADIAN TEAM KNOWS T THAT.
[00:13:31] THAT. THEY DON'T JUST HEAR IT FROM THEY DON'T JUST HEAR IT FROM ME. ME. THEY HEAR IT FROM THE THEY HEAR IT FROM THE INDUSTRY.
[00:13:35] INDUSTRY. THE INDUSTRY IS NOT SHY. THE INDUSTRY IS NOT SHY. WHAT INDUSTRY HAS BEEN PROUD
[00:13:38] WHAT INDUSTRY HAS BEEN PROUD OF IS TO SAY, WE ALL HAVE OF IS TO SAY, WE ALL HAVE CANADIAN HATS ON.
[00:13:41] CANADIAN HATS ON. THE CANADIAN DEAL -- CANADA THE CANADIAN DEAL -- CANADA HAS TO COME OUT OF THIS HAS TO COME OUT OF THIS WHOLE.
[00:13:45] WHOLE. WE CAN'T JUST FIX IT FOR WE CAN'T JUST FIX IT FOR AUTO AND STRAND IT FOR AUTO AND STRAND IT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
[00:13:48] EVERYBODY ELSE. AND WE HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR AND WE HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR IT. IT. LIKE STEEL, WE HAVE BEEN
[00:13:52] LIKE STEEL, WE HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR IT THE WHOLE WAY PAYING FOR IT THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH.
[00:13:56] THROUGH. IT WILL BE DISAPPOINTING IF IT WILL BE DISAPPOINTING IF WE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER.
[00:13:58] WE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER. >> Aarti: VERY FINALLY, >> Aarti: VERY FINALLY, FLAVIO, I WANT TO ASK YOU
[00:14:02] FLAVIO, I WANT TO ASK YOU LINES IN THE SAND. LINES IN THE SAND. SOME OF THAT, OF COURSE, I'M
[00:14:05] SOME OF THAT, OF COURSE, I'M WONDERING, IS IT SOMETHING WONDERING, IS IT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY OFF
[00:14:08] THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY OFF TABLE WHEN WE'RE TALKING TABLE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONCESSIONS, IF IT ABOUT CONCESSIONS, IF IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE RENEWAL
[00:14:12] DOES NOT INCLUDE THE RENEWAL OF CUSMA TALKS? OF CUSMA TALKS? AND WHAT, USING THE BRIDGE
[00:14:16] AND WHAT, USING THE BRIDGE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CANADA'S WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CANADA'S ENERGY INDUSTRY.
[00:14:19] ENERGY INDUSTRY. INITIALLY, WAS NOTHING IS INITIALLY, WAS NOTHING IS OFF THE TABLE.
[00:14:22] OFF THE TABLE. TEN WE HEARD A LITTLE BIT OF TEN WE HEARD A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION -- THEN.
[00:14:25] CLARIFICATION -- THEN. IS THIS ANYTHING THAT IS IS THIS ANYTHING THAT IS HARD AND FAST, ABSOLUTELY HARD AND FAST, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
[00:14:29] NOT. WE WILL NOT BE DOING WE WILL NOT BE DOING CONCESSIONS IF THIS CONCESSIONS IF THIS PARTICULAR POINT IS NOT MET?
[00:14:33] PARTICULAR POINT IS NOT MET? >> NO, I THINK -- I WON'T
[00:14:36] >> NO, I THINK -- I WON'T TALK AS A -- I THINK WE HAVE TALK AS A -- I THINK WE HAVE TO GO IN AS CANADIANS TO
[00:14:40] TO GO IN AS CANADIANS TO NEGOTIATING TEAM. NEGOTIATING TEAM. GET THE BEST POSSIBLE DEAL GET THE BEST POSSIBLE DEAL FOR CANADA AND IT'S GOT TO
[00:14:44] FOR CANADA AND IT'S GOT TO BE A WIN-WIN. BE A WIN-WIN. YOU CAN COME BACK WITHOUT A YOU CAN COME BACK WITHOUT A DEAL.
[00:14:47] DEAL. DON'T COME BACK WITH A LOSS.
[00:14:50] DON'T COME BACK WITH A LOSS. AND, YOU KNOW, I STILL THINK AND, YOU KNOW, I STILL THINK EVERYTHING IS ON THE TABLE.
[00:14:53] EVERYTHING IS ON THE TABLE. LIKE I SAID EARLIER, YOU LIKE I SAID EARLIER, YOU DON'T PLAY POKER WITH YOUR
[00:14:56] DON'T PLAY POKER WITH YOUR CARDS FACING UP. CARDS FACING UP. YOU'RE GOING TO USE SOME OF
[00:14:59] YOU'RE GOING TO USE SOME OF THESE TRUMP CARDS, NO PUN THESE TRUMP CARDS, NO PUN INTENDED -- WELL, YOU DON'T
[00:15:03] INTENDED -- WELL, YOU DON'T THREATEN THEM. THREATEN THEM. YOU EITHER USE THEM OR YOU YOU EITHER USE THEM OR YOU DON'T.
[00:15:07] DON'T. THE NEXT 12, 13 DAYS GOING THE NEXT 12, 13 DAYS GOING TO BE VERY CRITICAL THERE.
[00:15:10] TO BE VERY CRITICAL THERE. I REMAIN OPTIMISTIC ABOUT I REMAIN OPTIMISTIC ABOUT WHAT THIS MOMENTUM MEANS IN
[00:15:13] WHAT THIS MOMENTUM MEANS IN THE FORMAL ENGAGEMENT IS THE THE FORMAL ENGAGEMENT IS THE BEST BELLWETHER.
[00:15:16] BEST BELLWETHER. >> Aarti: FLAVIO, IT'S >> Aarti: FLAVIO, IT'S ALWAYS A LEISURE TO SPEAK ALWAYS A LEISURE TO SPEAK WITH YOU AND GET YOUR
[00:15:20] WITH YOU AND GET YOUR INSIGHTS. YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US ON SUCH SHORT ORDER.
[00:15:24] ON SUCH SHORT ORDER. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> Aarti: THAT IS FLAVIO
[00:15:28] New figures from Statistics Canada show the country added 75, 000 jobs in July. It's the
[00:15:31] third straight month the unemployment rate has fallen.
[00:15:34] CBC's business reporter Angie Seth is joining us here in
[00:15:37] studio. She's looking through the numbers. OK,
[00:15:39] so tell us the numbers and what they mean. Well,
[00:15:41] you talk about that 75 000, much higher than what
[00:15:44] economists were forecasting. They were sort of sitting
[00:15:47] around the 15, 000 marks. So good news,
[00:15:49] there are indeed. We also saw a drop in the unemployment right
[00:15:52] now down to 6.4%. But where we look at where those jobs are,
[00:15:55] as you pointed out, pretty
[00:15:57] even between full and part time work and as well pretty even
[00:16:01] between the private sector as well as those in in the
[00:16:04] entrepreneurial stage as well. We also saw unemployment rise
[00:16:08] for those aged 25 to 54. So good news there. We saw numbers
[00:16:12] going up about 51, 000 jobs in that in that
[00:16:15] relates and in relation to that as well As for women in that
[00:16:18] age group, we saw an increase in jobs for
[00:16:21] women, about 35, 000 jobs there. Where we saw
[00:16:24] the biggest gains in terms of sectors wholesale
[00:16:27] in retail trade and in in terms of where we saw across the
[00:16:31] country, both BC and Ontario showed the
[00:16:33] biggest gains, some modest gains for provinces
[00:16:36] like Manitoba as well as Nova Scotia. I want to talk about
[00:16:39] the unemployment numbers. Once again,
[00:16:41] we really focused on youth unemployment and where those
[00:16:45] numbers were for July, they kind of stayed roughly
[00:16:48] around the same as they were from last month. So sitting at
[00:16:51] around 12.512 point at 6%, but again much lower than what
[00:16:54] we saw back in April. And for youth, the summer
[00:16:57] job market was much better this year than it was that last year.
[00:17:01] So a bit of a, a boost there. What we're
[00:17:03] seeing in terms of this report, what's important about the
[00:17:06] report is it provides a good indication of the continuation
[00:17:09] of the gradual improvement in employment that we've seen
[00:17:12] month after month. So it's showing that we're sort of
[00:17:15] heading in that trajectory than economists were really hoping
[00:17:18] for. And we're predicting they are saying that this is a
[00:17:21] strong report. And in addition to that, they're sort of person and say, well,
[00:17:25] unemployment sitting at 6.4%, they would like to see it lower.
[00:17:28] They'd also like to see the employment rate much higher.
[00:17:31] But given the situation with inflation here in this country,
[00:17:34] given the decrease in population,
[00:17:35] they're saying those numbers sort of still track around that
[00:17:38] 61 or so percent. So at this stage of the game, Arti,
[00:17:41] when we look ahead to see what we're going to see with the
[00:17:44] Bank of Canada is going to do, economists are saying we're
[00:17:46] anticipating they're going to keep rates the same pretty much
[00:17:49] up until the end of this year to the start of next year. And
[00:17:52] we're all sort of comparing where we are between US and our
[00:17:55] neighbors to the South. Will, US job numbers also came out,
[00:17:58] a decline of 23, 1000 jobs, significant. Why? Because economists were
[00:18:02] forecasting an increase of 80, 000 jobs. So quite the flip
[00:18:05] there. Unemployment however, in the US did drop slightly to
[00:18:09] 4.1%. OK, thank you for this Angie. That
[00:18:11] is the CBC's Angie Seth reporting.
[00:18:16] The Conservative Party's former justice critic has announced
[00:18:19] that he is stepping away from politics. Ontario MP Larry
[00:18:23] Brock says he'll be resigning next month and he's returning
[00:18:26] to his role as a prosecutor. Rocks departure is another blow
[00:18:30] to the Conservative backbench. He is the 7th MP to leave the
[00:18:34] Conservative Party since the election in 2025. Four of those
[00:18:38] MP's crossed the floor to join the Liberals. The vacancy will,
[00:18:42] of course, trigger a by election in the
[00:18:45] Ontario riding of Brantford
[00:18:46] Grant S 6 Nations. And as Megan Fitzpatrick tells us,
[00:18:50] it's just one of several seats that still need to be filled.
[00:18:56] Well, Brock saying he's not quitting
[00:18:59] for a few more weeks, so he plans to officially step
[00:19:02] down on September 18th. That's the Friday just before the
[00:19:05] House of Commons returns from its summer break on the 21st.
[00:19:08] Once his seat officially becomes vacant and that notice
[00:19:11] is given to the House of Commons,
[00:19:13] then that will start the clock ticking in terms of how long
[00:19:17] Prime Minister Mark Carney has to trigger the election. It
[00:19:20] will be up to him to determine the timing. And we've got a
[00:19:24] note there's already 3 by elections
[00:19:26] happening at the end of this month,
[00:19:28] those being triggered by some of the things I just mentioned,
[00:19:31] like Richard Martel leaving for the Senate. So that's a by
[00:19:35] election happening in Quebec. Then there's one already in
[00:19:38] Ontario to replace Liberal MP Nate Erskine Smith,
[00:19:41] who has stepped down, and then one BC to replace
[00:19:44] Jonathan Wilkinson, also a Liberal MP. So these
[00:19:46] three by elections on August 31st,
[00:19:48] 2 of the seats are Liberal ones, Conservative. A lot riding on
[00:19:52] these by elections, especially for the Liberals who
[00:19:55] are trying to maintain and build on the very thin
[00:19:57] majority that they have right now. In terms of Brocks riding
[00:20:02] season, well when he won last year's
[00:20:05] election, he won it by about 7400 votes.
[00:20:09] The Liberals finished second
[00:20:11] and as I said, he won it in 2021. The
[00:20:14] boundaries changed for the 2025 election,
[00:20:16] so slightly different riding boundaries,
[00:20:19] but there will be a lot of voting for for people,
[00:20:22] some Canadians coming up with those 3 by elections on August
[00:20:26] 31st, there will be 1 triggered by
[00:20:29] that Conservative MP who will quit on August 31st in
[00:20:32] Saskatchewan. Brock, there's already a vacancy in
[00:20:36] Quebec. Prime Minister Carney chose not to trigger that by
[00:20:39] election along with the other
[00:20:41] three. That's a seat that's held by the Block Quebecois.
[00:20:45] And the MP there quit because he intends to run provincially
[00:20:49] in this falls provincial 11 election in Quebec. And that's
[00:20:52] the same reason why Alexandre Boulerice plans on stepping
[00:20:56] down as well. He was an NDP MP who plans on running
[00:20:59] provincially. He has not quit his seat yet. He will do that
[00:21:02] when the election is called in Quebec. So that will be by
[00:21:06] election 2, Susan. So a lot of by elections
[00:21:09] coming up and that means for the parties,
[00:21:11] they have to start getting candidates
[00:21:14] and plays, fundraising in place and
[00:21:16] volunteers in place and all of those things go that go along
[00:21:19] with these by elections. So in terms of the timing for this
[00:21:22] exact one, again, that will be up to Prime
[00:21:25] Minister Mark Carney, but it could be a couple months
[00:21:28] before before that by election happens. That's Megan
[00:21:31] Fitzpatrick in Ottawa.
[00:27:07] Is more toothbrushes for evacuees of the wildfires and
[00:27:09] Spokane, WA an army of support this
[00:27:11] local nonprofit put out a plea for donations to help them more
[00:27:16] than 60, 000 people forced from their
[00:27:18] homes. The response overwhelming we've received
[00:27:21] over 1000 Amazon boxes from all over the country and even basic
[00:27:25] items like shampoo and toothpaste can make all the
[00:27:29] difference. They say it's all about dignity right. It's all
[00:27:33] about feeling clean and and giving them a little bit
[00:27:36] hope. This was another stray. Cats and dogs from evacuees now
[00:27:40] without a home are staying at this local animal shelter.
[00:27:43] Those here say they're doing what they can to ease the
[00:27:46] burden. The dogs are going out for walks,
[00:27:49] playing so they don't have they can take that off their plate
[00:27:52] and not have to worry about their their beloved pet at this
[00:27:56] point. We've got you on that. And that means a lot for those
[00:27:59] who have lost structures like Bob Dygert Gearhart. And it's
[00:28:03] very taxing and anxiety
[00:28:05] and going to sleep at night is very difficult because of all
[00:28:09] these things going through your mind about what,
[00:28:12] what do I need to do and how can I do that and who's going
[00:28:15] to help me do that. Biggest question, where do we start?
[00:28:19] And and that's, you know, that's where we come in and we
[00:28:23] help them and start walking through the process. Dygert
[00:28:26] Gearhart says the community support has been invaluable.
[00:28:29] And people are so kind when they find out that you're,
[00:28:32] if you're a victim of this
[00:28:35] event, they're, they're willing to help in any
[00:28:37] way they can. I knew this community would step up and be
[00:28:40] able to do the things that they're doing. And I think that
[00:28:43] people have only seen the tip of it.
[00:28:46] Crews have been making progress, but it's going to get hotter
[00:28:50] and gustier. And officials say it could be a turning point. We
[00:28:53] want to make sure that the good work the firefighters have done,
[00:28:57] we don't lose. So we are continuing to go hard. We know
[00:29:00] what's coming and we're going to be prepared for it.
[00:29:05] Hundreds more firefighters are expected in the coming days.
[00:29:08] They'll help on the front lines and behind me is a different
[00:29:11] kind of help. This is a disaster assistance centre,
[00:29:14] and people in these tents are helping evacuees with things
[00:29:17] like filing insurance claims and getting basic necessities.
[00:29:21] And Julie, I take it there are new details
[00:29:24] tonight about the man accused of setting one of the most
[00:29:27] devastating fires there. Yeah. Court documents say the man
[00:29:31] charged with setting the Old Trails fire told detectives he
[00:29:34] planned it for weeks and researched when the weather
[00:29:37] would be best to start it. He also allegedly made a time
[00:29:41] delay device to do it.
[00:29:43] Alright, thanks Julia. CBC's Julia Wong in Spokane, WA tonight.
[00:29:51] 9 Outs Fire Chief Glenn Braun doing an equipment check in
[00:29:55] between calls. This fire hall is one of three in the Rural
[00:29:58] Municipality of Prairie Lakes. The others are in Belmont and
[00:30:02] Donray, each with their own Fire Chief.
[00:30:04] But according to the Reeve, that may soon change. What
[00:30:08] we're trying to do is just amalgamate the three separate
[00:30:11] entities into one. The idea to have one Fire Chief oversee the
[00:30:15] three communities was pitched by the previous council but
[00:30:19] extinguished before it took hold. Reeves
[00:30:21] Horses now is the time to cut costs by sharing tanker and
[00:30:25] rescue trucks and certain volunteer firefighters who've
[00:30:29] taken additional training. There is this misconception
[00:30:32] that we want to get rid of for or downsize couple of the halls
[00:30:36] that is not in the works. At this point. There are concerns
[00:30:40] about amalgamating the three fire departments, Ninat,
[00:30:44] Belmont and Donray.
[00:30:46] The chief here says if it ain't broke,
[00:30:48] don't fix it. We still haven't received a really good answer
[00:30:52] of why they want just one chief. It's going to destroy the
[00:30:56] morale in some places. Belmont's Rod Durham,
[00:30:58] Fire Chief for the past six years,
[00:31:01] says he feels the same. To me, that's just not right
[00:31:05] that you know what you've got in your whole you mean you look
[00:31:08] after your Holly. I don't. You don't need to be the Super
[00:31:12] chief to go in there and and start telling everybody what to
[00:31:15] do. No, that's not me. Nanette's Fire
[00:31:19] Chief Bron is interested in applying for the new job.
[00:31:22] Amalgamation is is to me is a is a great idea. It's gonna be
[00:31:26] a few little glitches off the start,
[00:31:28] making sure everybody cooperates,
[00:31:30] but from that point on, I think it's going to be fine.
[00:31:33] Moving to A1 Fire Chief system involves A bylaw change by the
[00:31:37] RPM of Prairie Lakes Council and could happen as early as
[00:31:40] September. Michelle McDougall, CBC News in the RPM of Prairie
[00:31:44] Lakes.
[00:31:47] A heat advisory has been issued into Saturday and now includes
[00:31:50] most of the province. With temperatures into the high 30s
[00:31:53] and feeling hotter with the humidity,
[00:31:55] officials are warning people to stay hydrated and look out for
[00:31:59] early signs of heat exhaustion, and that is especially true for
[00:32:02] seniors and people living outside. So our critical point
[00:32:06] is really if it doesn't come down at night
[00:32:09] to the teens, then we get really concerned.
[00:32:11] Warren Maddox, executive director of the
[00:32:14] Fredericton Homeless Shelters, says when it's this hot,
[00:32:17] people living outside are vulnerable to heat exhaustion
[00:32:20] and dehydration. He says cooling centres like the
[00:32:23] shelters or public spaces such as libraries can help people
[00:32:27] survive heat waves. With the heating centre in the winter
[00:32:30] time, you can come in in 20 minutes,
[00:32:32] heat up, you're good to go. Cooling
[00:32:35] centres take a lot longer because you're driving. When
[00:32:38] you walk into a cooling,
[00:32:39] are you driving the heat inwards to your core and you
[00:32:43] gotta wait longer for that to cool down,
[00:32:45] otherwise you're just making things worse when you walk back
[00:32:49] out in the heat. He says a donation of bottled water
[00:32:52] dropped off at a shelter is always appreciated. What I'm
[00:32:55] observing is seniors are trying to cuddle into air conditioning
[00:32:59] places. Higher temperatures also bring risks to seniors,
[00:33:02] according to Cecile Cassista, the executive director for the
[00:33:06] Coalition for Seniors and Nursing Home Residents Rights.
[00:33:09] She warns that many of the seniors she works with don't drink enough water,
[00:33:13] dress in heavier clothing and sometimes have trouble keeping
[00:33:16] their living spaces cool without air conditioning. It is
[00:33:19] important that they do limit it. You know,
[00:33:22] the heat in their in their facilities,
[00:33:24] particularly in the small apartments and where there's no
[00:33:27] breeze coming in. So they need to make sure the first thing in
[00:33:30] the morning to make sure that their blinds are down so that
[00:33:33] the rooms are not heating up.
[00:35:40] A moment captured in a classroom outside Bangkok as
[00:35:44] the rampage unfolded. Even as they were hiding,
[00:35:48] it was hard to hide the fear.
[00:35:54] Some 3000 high school students were about midway through their
[00:35:58] year's first term when, at around 10:00 AM Friday,
[00:36:01] they heard shots.
[00:36:04] And then it started getting more frequent,
[00:36:07] like Bang Bang bang, says the student. I didn't
[00:36:10] think it was the sound of a gun.
[00:36:14] It was, police say in fact, a handgun wielded by a 14 year
[00:36:18] old student that belonged to his grandfather. He shot at
[00:36:22] least 26 bullets for shooting himself,
[00:36:24] while more than two dozen were injured. The at least five
[00:36:29] people shot dead at the school were all teachers and earlier.
[00:36:33] It's believed the shooter also killed his grandparents,
[00:36:37] with whom he left.
[00:36:40] It's the second school shooting Thailand has witnessed this
[00:36:44] year, a country with some 10.3
[00:36:46] million guns. That's 15 guns per 100 people.
[00:36:50] In recent years there have been mass shootings at a market and
[00:36:55] mall, and IN2022A protracted attack
[00:36:57] by a dismissed policeman left dozens dead,
[00:37:00] including 22 children at a daycare.
[00:37:04] On Friday, the Prime Minister promised a
[00:37:07] new law on carrying guns in public. No hint whether any
[00:37:11] changes will affect who still gets to own them. He added this
[00:37:15] latest attack was not spontaneous.
[00:37:18] Angelique came to school today to commit
[00:37:22] this unfortunate
[00:37:25] case. Investigators say the shooter still had 30 more
[00:37:29] rounds when he took his own life.
[00:37:32] For survivors, the scale of the cry and the
[00:37:36] loss are unfathomable. Nalayak, CBC News, London.
[00:43:33] Turning to the US now, where a New Mexico court has
[00:43:35] ordered Meta to pay more than half a billion dollars to
[00:43:38] address the mental health harms to young people that have been
[00:43:42] linked to Facebook and Instagram,
[00:43:44] Linda Ward is digging into that for us. What's this case all
[00:43:48] about? Well, you have to go back to March to
[00:43:51] the first phase of this case because the judge actually
[00:43:55] divided it into two parts. So the first phase back in March
[00:43:58] had to do with the risks from metas platforms back then. The
[00:44:02] jury
[00:44:04] found that metas apps harm children's mental health and
[00:44:07] focused on money over safety, finding them $375 million. This
[00:44:12] one was to consider whether metas platforms created a
[00:44:17] public nuisance. So the judge found rates of anxiety,
[00:44:21] depression, eating disorders, suicide among youth in New
[00:44:26] Mexico had significantly worsened in recent years and
[00:44:30] said metas platforms are a significant
[00:44:33] contributing cause to the crisis. So they are indeed,
[00:44:37] the judge found a public nuisance ordering matter to pay
[00:44:42] another $567 000, 000. So all of this totals more
[00:44:45] than $900 million so far, about half of this money to go
[00:44:50] to treatment centres for young people,
[00:44:52] the rest to awareness and prevention. Now,
[00:44:56] prosecutors also asked Meta to get asked the judge to get Meta
[00:45:00] to limit some of the addictive features.
[00:45:04] And who better verify age. Well, because of federal privacy laws,
[00:45:08] Meta isn't able to do that. So instead,
[00:45:11] the court ordered Meta to use AI to see who kids are
[00:45:14] friending online, what they're posting to
[00:45:17] determine what their age is. A number of other measures as
[00:45:21] well that were part of this ruling. Better banners to
[00:45:25] explain protection features, removing like counts for those
[00:45:29] under the age of 18. No push notifications during the hours
[00:45:33] of 10:00 PM and 7:00 AM
[00:45:34] and limiting the amount of time that underage users can be on
[00:45:38] these platforms to 90 hours per month,
[00:45:41] New Mexico's Attorney General Raul Torres said in a statement.
[00:45:45] Today's decision is a victory for every parent who has
[00:45:49] worried about what social media is doing to their child and
[00:45:53] every child who deserves to grow up safer online. A victory
[00:45:57] if it's upheld. What is Meta saying about an appeal? Yeah,
[00:46:00] they're saying they're going ahead with an appeal on this
[00:46:04] one.
[00:46:06] And they did issue a statement of their own yesterday saying
[00:46:09] we work hard to keep people safe on our platforms,
[00:46:12] saying we have been transparent about the challenges of
[00:46:15] identifying and removing bad actors and harmful content. We
[00:46:19] remain confident in our record of protecting teens online and
[00:46:23] will continue to defend ourselves against claims that
[00:46:26] would misrepresent the facts. And they will have to continue
[00:46:30] to defend themselves because they face thousands of lawsuits
[00:46:34] from Parents, 800
[00:46:35] lawsuits from just school districts alone. And then next
[00:46:39] week, there is a big trial that is
[00:46:42] starting against Meta in California. So this is a case
[00:46:45] filed by attorneys general from California, Colorado,
[00:46:49] Kentucky and New Jersey, Essentially the four first Test
[00:46:53] states out of 29 total states that are suing for features on
[00:46:57] Instagram, on Facebook that are said to be
[00:47:00] addictive to children. There's also eight states filing
[00:47:03] lawsuits in their own state courts,
[00:47:06] one actually going on in Tennessee right now. So a lot
[00:47:10] of legal troubles for this company,
[00:47:12] $942 million though in total for a company that made $60
[00:47:16] billion last year is a drop in the bucket. Peanuts really. But
[00:47:21] Meta said in this court ruling, these four states would total
[00:47:25] $1.4 trillion in penalties if it is awarded. So that would
[00:47:29] take a bigger bite out of their bottom line. But it's worth
[00:47:33] noting after yesterday's ruling, investors
[00:47:36] didn't really seem to care after hours trading shares down
[00:47:41] less than half a percent. Hmm,
[00:47:44] Certainly at the beginning of this onslaught though of legal
[00:47:47] challenges, hmm, something will shift lots ahead
[00:47:56] Every fall, millions roll up their sleeves
[00:47:58] for a flu shot, but Americans will soon have a
[00:48:01] new option. The FDA has now approved Modernas mRNA flu
[00:48:05] vaccine for adults aged 50 and older. I am so excited about
[00:48:09] the potential for M RNA vaccines. She says a recent
[00:48:13] study found M RNA flu vaccines are 27 to 35% more effective at
[00:48:17] preventing influenza than the traditional flu shots. The M
[00:48:22] RNA vaccines seem to be very protective in people
[00:48:25] who are older, who have comorbidities and
[00:48:28] people who are immunocompromised. M RNA
[00:48:30] vaccines are easier and faster to make,
[00:48:33] which means more ability to adapt to new strains of the flu
[00:48:36] virus. Most flu vaccine is still grown in chicken eggs,
[00:48:39] and this takes months to do. And the farther ahead you have
[00:48:43] to plan to grow it, your risk of a mismatch in
[00:48:46] strains is going to be higher. Maderna has applied for
[00:48:49] approval in Europe, Australia and here in Canada,
[00:48:52] where it's under review. I'm hopeful that that helped.
[00:48:56] That will be quite optimistic about it. Jill Premoli's two
[00:49:00] year old son Jude died from influenza BA decade ago despite
[00:49:03] being vaccinated. While she says no vaccine is perfect,
[00:49:07] she now campaigns to promote the flu shot. We're not
[00:49:10] vaccinating against diseases because they're uncomfortable
[00:49:14] or inconvenient. We vaccinate because diseases kill people.
[00:49:18] The FDA's approval comes one year after the US health
[00:49:21] secretary announced a wind down of M RNA vaccine development.
[00:49:25] Earlier this year,
[00:49:26] the FDA refused to review Modernas application,
[00:49:30] but after public pressure, it reversed its decision. Doing
[00:49:34] good, rigorous science still can
[00:49:36] overcome misinformation and political myth. Like experts
[00:49:40] say, public health officials will
[00:49:42] have to provide clear messaging on the benefits of M RNA
[00:49:46] technology so people can make informed choices on how to
[00:49:50] protect themselves. Karen Pauls, CBC News, Winnipeg.
[00:49:56] The Quebec provincial election is around the corner and the
[00:49:59] Association of Psychiatrists of Quebec is taking the
[00:50:01] opportunity to call on all political parties to make
[00:50:04] mental health and election priority or asking for us to be
[00:50:07] more intentional. And that's the thing that's missing right
[00:50:10] now. We are asking obviously for more resources,
[00:50:13] but actually there for resources to be spent more
[00:50:16] appropriately and in a more focused way. Here's what the
[00:50:19] group wants from the elected party. Appoint a minister
[00:50:22] responsible for mental health. Roll out alternatives to hospitalizations
[00:50:26] for everyone from youth to seniors,
[00:50:27] strengthened suicide and homelessness prevention,
[00:50:30] increased support for caregivers,
[00:50:32] and expand telecom consultation and telemedicine for mental
[00:50:35] health. Healthcare does not revolve around the hospital
[00:50:38] necessarily. It could expand, and that's what we need to do.
[00:50:41] We need to get out of some of these traditional methods that
[00:50:44] don't actually work and something a bit more stable
[00:50:47] that actually survives the cycles of election,
[00:50:49] which we experience every four years and everything changes.
[00:50:52] That doesn't help the system. The association says the number
[00:50:55] of people
[00:50:57] hospitalized for suicide attempts tripled between 2010
[00:51:00] and 2023, and says nearly 25, 000,
[00:51:03] 000 hours were lost due to mental health issues among
[00:51:07] healthcare workers. We need a focus on mental health that is
[00:51:11] global in its thinking so that it connects with all of the
[00:51:15] other pieces of the health puzzle, the justice puzzle,
[00:51:19] the the prison puzzle, because all of these touch the
[00:51:23] mental health issue. It's a transversal
[00:51:26] issue. Hughes says 57% of people who are homeless are
[00:51:30] dealing with mental illness. He says homelessness is
[00:51:36] take more action to prevent it. If they don't make that a huge
[00:51:40] priority, we will continue to see the the
[00:51:42] kinds of increases that we're seeing that are overwhelming
[00:51:46] our parks, our hospitals and our metros.
[00:51:48] And I don't think any Quebecker finds that acceptable. We
[00:51:52] reached out to the five major provincial political parties to
[00:51:56] get their stance on this
[00:51:57] subject. The party Quebecois says it's releasing its
[00:52:00] platform later and will not come in just yet. The CAQ says
[00:52:03] homelessness and mental health remain priorities and it will
[00:52:06] release its commitments when their platform comes out. The
[00:52:09] Quebec Conservative said mental health must be a priority for
[00:52:13] all parties and it supports several of the recommendations.
[00:52:16] The Quebec Liberal Party says access to Healthcare is a
[00:52:19] priority and it's committed to making telehealth accessible to
[00:52:22] all Quebeckers. And Quebec. Solidaire says housing,
[00:52:25] mental health and homelessness are three of its biggest
[00:52:28] issues. Is being a hard crisis here and specifically with the
[00:52:31] homelessness crisis we're we're living,
[00:52:33] I mean a lot of people on the streets obviously are facing
[00:52:36] some severe mental issue. The association hopes whichever
[00:52:40] party forms the government will come up with long term plans
[00:52:43] instead of Band-Aid solutions.
[00:56:09] It's the sights and sounds of summer, but behind the scenes,
[00:56:13] the heat is on for camp operators and parents to keep
[00:56:17] this magic alive. Everything costs more. So insurance has
[00:56:21] gone up significantly for us. Food costs have increased. Our
[00:56:25] staff wages have increased. Those higher costs get passed
[00:56:28] on to families, though camps say they try to
[00:56:31] minimize it at a time when many Canadians are already
[00:56:35] struggling with affordability. If I look at returning camper
[00:56:39] numbers,
[00:56:40] we're missing about 60 campers that were went to camp last
[00:56:44] year that didn't come this year. Camps can range in cost from
[00:56:48] 150 to $300 a week for community and city Ron day
[00:56:51] camps to more than $2000 a week for overnight camps. Camps
[00:56:55] across Canada know what families are up against. We've
[00:56:59] been hearing that they're having to make choices whether
[00:57:02] to involve them in sports or multi weeks of day camp or
[00:57:06] overnight camp and you know, it's upsetting to hear. Beyond
[00:57:10] offering childcare, summer camps have many other
[00:57:13] benefits, says this expert. You get to
[00:57:16] try new things that you you can challenge yourself in those
[00:57:19] ways and really build grit and perseverance. So learning
[00:57:23] self-awareness, emotional management,
[00:57:25] social awareness. This financial advisor and mom of
[00:57:28] two says she suggests parents look beyond camps if their
[00:57:32] budget just can't handle it. I was very enthusiastic when the
[00:57:36] kids were younger because I didn't want my kids to be
[00:57:39] missing out. But as the kids got older, I started
[00:57:42] changing more play dates and actually talking to parents and
[00:57:46] seeing what their schedule is to see if we can do a bit of a
[00:57:49] swap or I'll host some kids. You're sending your kids to
[00:57:53] camp is a priority for you. Organizers say to reach out and
[00:57:56] ask if they offer subsidies. Some do,
[00:57:59] as they urge all levels of government to help camps with
[00:58:02] funding. Deanna Sumac Johnson, CBC News, Toronto.
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