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[00:00:03] their own property they need to hire not final site and and to
[00:00:08] buy the site, get permit to build and so on.
[00:00:12] These are processes
[00:00:14] that usually are very cumbersome and wrong.
[00:00:17] But the Quebec Co-op Confederation argues it's still
[00:00:20] worth it. It says that even if the upfront savings aren't as
[00:00:24] significant for new co-ops as the price of buying and renting
[00:00:28] goes up, Co-op residents will save money
[00:00:30] in the long term. Still, experts say that these kinds of
[00:00:34] living arrangements aren't for everyone.
[00:00:38] Of the reason is that we are individualistic in nature.
[00:00:42] People would like to own their own property,
[00:00:46] they'd suburbans. Once they move in,
[00:00:48] there can be there can be issues which getting along,
[00:00:53] how to share things and so on.
[00:00:56] The office of the Federal Housing minister did not
[00:00:59] respond to CBC's request for comment in time,
[00:01:01] but a spokesperson for Quebec's housing ministry told CBC that
[00:01:05] housing co-ops are an important model in the provinces housing
[00:01:08] supply ecosystem. It adds that funds are available through a
[00:01:11] variety of programs, including the Quebec Affordable
[00:01:14] Housing program. But experts say that if governments are
[00:01:17] serious about this kind of housing,
[00:01:19] they need to offer more money or even properties at a lower
[00:01:22] cost for these projects. Others say the Co-op movement also
[00:01:26] needs to promote itself
[00:01:27] better so that people see it as a viable option.
[00:01:30] This is something that definitely can be very
[00:01:34] attractive to some who want to hold in the housing market and
[00:01:40] that was it has fantastic potential.
[00:03:56] And we're back with the need for more housing across the
[00:03:58] country. Where will it all be built? Next up,
[00:04:01] some ideas on how to add to the supply of homes available.
[00:07:55] For 178 years, Kingston Penitentiary was home
[00:07:58] to many of Canada's most notorious criminals,
[00:08:01] among them serial killer Paul Bernardo and child murderer
[00:08:04] Clifford Olson. But now there's the possibility it could be
[00:08:08] your home, too. Last year, the infamous prison was added
[00:08:12] to a list of federal properties with housing potential. When I
[00:08:16] first learned about it, I was like, what the heck?
[00:08:20] Documents obtained by CBC News suggests the government
[00:08:23] considers the pen a sleeping
[00:08:25] giant waiting for redevelopment, estimating up to 700 units of
[00:08:29] housing could be built there.
[00:08:32] Kingston's MP doesn't buy it. Conversion of a property like
[00:08:37] this is, in my opinion, just a wildly unpractical. A
[00:08:41] visioning exercise recommended keeping the front gate in main
[00:08:45] cellblock but leveling about half of the site to put up
[00:08:49] housing, some in high rises overlooking
[00:08:52] Lake Ontario. Kingston Penitentiary,
[00:08:55] scene of the worst prison riot in Canadian history. The prison
[00:09:00] has survived fires, escapes and yes,
[00:09:03] riots. People would have to question investing, what would,
[00:09:07] I presume, be significant amounts of money
[00:09:10] and into place with with, if you believe in it,
[00:09:14] the spirits that that may be lingering around this site.
[00:09:19] One passerby took that a step further. They should just burn
[00:09:23] it to the ground and get rid of all the evil spirits. It's been
[00:09:27] called the Alcatraz of the North,
[00:09:29] with a reputation that's drawn more than 685,
[00:09:32] 000 visitors and an estimated 10s of millions in tourism
[00:09:36] dollars.
[00:09:37] It's also a National Historic site. It was really,
[00:09:41] really how's the the full spectrum of the human
[00:09:44] experience here? If the day ever comes where the
[00:09:48] pen trades cell blocks for condos, would people move in?
[00:09:52] Kingston's MP already knows his answer. No, I wouldn't.
[00:09:58] Dan Tacoma, CBC News, Kingston, ON.
[00:10:04] AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING, AND AS TALIA RICCI SHOWS US, A TORONTO ARCHITECT FIRM IS BEHIND
[00:10:16] AS TALIA RICCI SHOWS US, A TORONTO ARCHITECT FIRM IS BEHIND THE MAN.
[00:10:18] TORONTO ARCHITECT FIRM IS BEHIND THE MAN. >> Reporter: THE PLAN IS ALSO
[00:10:21] >> Reporter: THE PLAN IS ALSO TO OPEN ITS DOORS WIDER THAN EVER BEFORE.
[00:10:23] TO OPEN ITS DOORS WIDER THAN EVER BEFORE. >> WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS TO
[00:10:27] EVER BEFORE. >> WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS TO ADD THIS KIND OF REFRESHED
[00:10:33] >> WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS TO ADD THIS KIND OF REFRESHED VISIBILITY, GRACED ELEVATION TO
[00:10:35] ADD THIS KIND OF REFRESHED VISIBILITY, GRACED ELEVATION TO THE LEGION, SO YOU CAN SEE FROM
[00:10:37] VISIBILITY, GRACED ELEVATION TO THE LEGION, SO YOU CAN SEE FROM OUTSIDE IN, AS WELL AS
[00:10:39] THE LEGION, SO YOU CAN SEE FROM OUTSIDE IN, AS WELL AS INSIDE-OUT, TO HAVE THIS OUTSIDE IN, AS WELL AS INSIDE-OUT, TO HAVE THIS CONNECTION WITH THE PEOPLE, WITH
[00:10:43] INSIDE-OUT, TO HAVE THIS CONNECTION WITH THE PEOPLE, WITH THE STREET.
[00:10:45] CONNECTION WITH THE PEOPLE, WITH THE STREET. THEY'RE HAVING A NEW RESTAURANT,
[00:10:47] THE STREET. THEY'RE HAVING A NEW RESTAURANT, BAR, CEREMONIAL SPACE. THEY'RE HAVING A NEW RESTAURANT, BAR, CEREMONIAL SPACE. SO PEOPLE CAN COME AND
[00:10:52] BAR, CEREMONIAL SPACE. SO PEOPLE CAN COME AND PARTICIPATE AND THE RESTAURANT SO PEOPLE CAN COME AND PARTICIPATE AND THE RESTAURANT WOULD BE USED BY THE LOCAL
[00:10:55] PARTICIPATE AND THE RESTAURANT WOULD BE USED BY THE LOCAL PEOPLE AND LEGION. WOULD BE USED BY THE LOCAL PEOPLE AND LEGION. >> Reporter: THE BALA LEGION
[00:10:59] PEOPLE AND LEGION. >> Reporter: THE BALA LEGION HERITAGE MANOR IS A PROPOSED
[00:11:01] >> Reporter: THE BALA LEGION HERITAGE MANOR IS A PROPOSED MIXED-USE REDEVELOPMENT THAT
[00:11:04] HERITAGE MANOR IS A PROPOSED MIXED-USE REDEVELOPMENT THAT TRANSFORMS THE LEGION PROPERTY
[00:11:06] MIXED-USE REDEVELOPMENT THAT TRANSFORMS THE LEGION PROPERTY INTO A NEW MODERN HOME FOR THE
[00:11:08] TRANSFORMS THE LEGION PROPERTY INTO A NEW MODERN HOME FOR THE BRANCH, TOPPED BY FOUR STOREYS INTO A NEW MODERN HOME FOR THE BRANCH, TOPPED BY FOUR STOREYS OF RENTAL HOUSING.
[00:11:12] BRANCH, TOPPED BY FOUR STOREYS OF RENTAL HOUSING. IT'S PART OF AN OVERALL CONCEPT
[00:11:14] OF RENTAL HOUSING. IT'S PART OF AN OVERALL CONCEPT CALLED ELEVATE, WHERE THEY AIM
[00:11:16] IT'S PART OF AN OVERALL CONCEPT CALLED ELEVATE, WHERE THEY AIM TO TURN UNDER USED SITES INTO
[00:11:19] CALLED ELEVATE, WHERE THEY AIM TO TURN UNDER USED SITES INTO MIXED-USE COMMUNITY HUBS. TO TURN UNDER USED SITES INTO MIXED-USE COMMUNITY HUBS. >> STARTED OFF LOOKING AT SITES
[00:11:23] MIXED-USE COMMUNITY HUBS. >> STARTED OFF LOOKING AT SITES IN TORONTO THAT WERE KIND OF
[00:11:25] >> STARTED OFF LOOKING AT SITES IN TORONTO THAT WERE KIND OF UNDER-UTILIZED ON GREAT, YOU
[00:11:27] IN TORONTO THAT WERE KIND OF UNDER-UTILIZED ON GREAT, YOU KNOW, PARCELS OF LAND NEXT TO
[00:11:31] KNOW, PARCELS OF LAND NEXT TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, AND LET'S LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, DENSIFYING
[00:11:33] PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, AND LET'S LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, DENSIFYING THESE EXCITING, THAT'S LOOK AT LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, DENSIFYING THESE EXCITING, THAT'S LOOK AT WAYS TO CREATE THE SOLUTIONS TO
[00:11:37] THESE EXCITING, THAT'S LOOK AT WAYS TO CREATE THE SOLUTIONS TO BE COST-EFFECTIVE. WAYS TO CREATE THE SOLUTIONS TO BE COST-EFFECTIVE. >> Reporter: ABOVE THE NEW
[00:11:41] BE COST-EFFECTIVE. >> Reporter: ABOVE THE NEW DESIGN, 128 COMFORTABLY-SIZED
[00:11:43] >> Reporter: ABOVE THE NEW DESIGN, 128 COMFORTABLY-SIZED RENTAL APARTMENTS WILL AIM TO
[00:11:45] DESIGN, 128 COMFORTABLY-SIZED RENTAL APARTMENTS WILL AIM TO PROVIDE MUCH-NEEDED HOUSING MANY RENTAL APARTMENTS WILL AIM TO PROVIDE MUCH-NEEDED HOUSING MANY MUSKOKA, WHILE MAINTAINING
[00:11:49] PROVIDE MUCH-NEEDED HOUSING MANY MUSKOKA, WHILE MAINTAINING CONNECTIONS TO THE LOCAL MUSKOKA, WHILE MAINTAINING CONNECTIONS TO THE LOCAL LANDSCAPE USING MATERIALS LIKE
[00:11:53] CONNECTIONS TO THE LOCAL LANDSCAPE USING MATERIALS LIKE STONE AND WOOD.
[00:11:55] LANDSCAPE USING MATERIALS LIKE STONE AND WOOD. >> ALMOST ALL HAVE BALCONIES,
[00:11:58] >> ALMOST ALL HAVE BALCONIES, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LARGER UNITS. AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LARGER UNITS. THERE'S ALSO ALMOST 30%
[00:12:01] UNITS. THERE'S ALSO ALMOST 30% AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THERE'S ALSO ALMOST 30% AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 20% ACCESSIBLE UNITS.
[00:12:05] AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 20% ACCESSIBLE UNITS. >> THE LEGION IN THE PAST WAS
[00:12:08] 20% ACCESSIBLE UNITS. >> THE LEGION IN THE PAST WAS MADE -- MOSTLY THOUGHT OF AS THE
[00:12:10] >> THE LEGION IN THE PAST WAS MADE -- MOSTLY THOUGHT OF AS THE PLACE WHERE VETERANS WOULD GO MADE -- MOSTLY THOUGHT OF AS THE PLACE WHERE VETERANS WOULD GO AND ENJOY A FEW BEERS A COUPLE
[00:12:14] PLACE WHERE VETERANS WOULD GO AND ENJOY A FEW BEERS A COUPLE OF DAYS A WEEK. AND ENJOY A FEW BEERS A COUPLE OF DAYS A WEEK. WELL, THEY'VE CHANGED THAT.
[00:12:18] OF DAYS A WEEK. WELL, THEY'VE CHANGED THAT. >> Reporter: THE HOPE THAT
[00:12:20] WELL, THEY'VE CHANGED THAT. >> Reporter: THE HOPE THAT THIS SERVES AS A BLUEPRINT TO
[00:12:22] >> Reporter: THE HOPE THAT THIS SERVES AS A BLUEPRINT TO REIMAGINE OTHER LEGIONS ACROSS
[00:12:26] REIMAGINE OTHER LEGIONS ACROSS CANADA. THE PRESIDENT OF THIS BRANCH CANADA. THE PRESIDENT OF THIS BRANCH SAYS IT'S A RESPONSIBLE WAY FOR
[00:12:29] THE PRESIDENT OF THIS BRANCH SAYS IT'S A RESPONSIBLE WAY FOR THE ORGANIZATION TO EVOLVE. SAYS IT'S A RESPONSIBLE WAY FOR THE ORGANIZATION TO EVOLVE. >> THERE ARE 1350 LEGIONS ACROSS
[00:12:33] THE ORGANIZATION TO EVOLVE. >> THERE ARE 1350 LEGIONS ACROSS CANADA. >> THERE ARE 1350 LEGIONS ACROSS CANADA. LARGE CITIES.
[00:12:37] LARGE CITIES. SMALL COMMUNITIES. HAMLETS. SMALL COMMUNITIES. HAMLETS. AND THOSE LEGIONS ARE ALL ON
[00:12:40] HAMLETS. AND THOSE LEGIONS ARE ALL ON WATER AND SEWER, AND THEY ALL
[00:12:42] AND THOSE LEGIONS ARE ALL ON WATER AND SEWER, AND THEY ALL HAVE EXCESS LAND, AND THEY ALL
[00:12:45] WATER AND SEWER, AND THEY ALL HAVE EXCESS LAND, AND THEY ALL COULD BE THERE TO HELP IN THE
[00:12:47] HAVE EXCESS LAND, AND THEY ALL COULD BE THERE TO HELP IN THE REVITALIZATION OF AFFORDABLE COULD BE THERE TO HELP IN THE REVITALIZATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING RIGHT ACROSS THE
[00:12:50] REVITALIZATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING RIGHT ACROSS THE COUNTRY. HOUSING RIGHT ACROSS THE COUNTRY. >> Reporter: THOSE INVOLVED IN
[00:12:54] COUNTRY. >> Reporter: THOSE INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT SAY IT HAS THE POUR
[00:15:00] Today, we're focusing on housing
[00:15:02] stories from across Canada. Let's end by looking at how new
[00:15:05] technologies could transform and speed up building homes.
[00:20:14] For this machine to 3D print his entire house looking at
[00:20:16] these videos the future of construction appears to be here
[00:20:20] forget everything you thought you knew about building homes
[00:20:24] because the next housing revolution is being printed the
[00:20:27] promise is exciting 3D printing helps build homes quickly and
[00:20:31] cheaply. Maybe just what's needed to help solve the
[00:20:35] housing shortage with giant robotic arms. A 100 square
[00:20:38] metered house can now be created in just 24 to 48 hours
[00:20:42] in Canada. A few
[00:20:43] for proving that it can be done. So how many units do you have
[00:20:47] here? So we have 12 on this block
[00:20:50] here and 14 on that.
[00:20:57] But for others, the promise remains
[00:20:59] frustratingly out of reach. The system is broken. It really is.
[00:21:03] The construction industry is broken and it needs to be fixed
[00:21:06] because what they've been doing with traditional builds is not
[00:21:10] working.
[00:21:12] In Ontario's cottage country in Muskoka, we meet Linda Reisman,
[00:21:16] set to retire. She wanted to build a home on a patch of land
[00:21:20] she owned. But when construction companies quoted
[00:21:23] her how much building that house would cost,
[00:21:26] well over a million, she was shocked and says she
[00:21:29] couldn't afford that. And she's not alone. I spoke to people
[00:21:33] that are tradespeople, teachers, seniors, young families,
[00:21:37] and they told me over and over again that it's almost
[00:21:41] impossible to find
[00:21:42] home here and to be able to live in the community that
[00:21:45] they're supporting.
[00:21:47] Necessity became, as they say, the mother of invention. As
[00:21:51] Reisman thought of a way to build her own house and help
[00:21:55] others, too, she was also hearing of the new
[00:21:58] advances in 3D printing for housing. The light bulb went
[00:22:02] out that I could buy a 3D printing concrete machine. I
[00:22:06] could build a home. I could get the walls standing in 72 hours
[00:22:10] of print time.
[00:22:12] She bought this robotic arm needed for 3D printing concrete
[00:22:16] with close to $700, 000 of her own savings. And
[00:22:19] this is on wheels? Yep, it's a trailer that we can move
[00:22:23] the whole robotic arm to any site. Her idea was that this
[00:22:27] investment would make building her own house much cheaper and
[00:22:31] also help build houses in the community. I used all my own
[00:22:35] capital for it. We did get help from one lender,
[00:22:38] but basically I've used all my own capital.
[00:22:42] Wow. That's a that's a risk. It is like a risk at the time. Ohe
[00:22:46] yeah, it was a big risk because as
[00:22:49] great as it all sounded, I didn't think it was gonna be
[00:22:53] so hard. I thought we hear on every politician that stands in
[00:22:57] front of a camera is that affordable?
[00:23:00] We need affordable housing and quickly and quickly build,
[00:23:04] baby build. That is what we're going to do,
[00:23:09] building the homes we need in a matter of months,
[00:23:12] doing it with 3D printing and automation.
[00:23:18] In 2024, the federal government
[00:23:20] allocated $600 million, largely for innovation in home
[00:23:24] building.
[00:23:26] But when Linda Reesman tried to access some of that money,
[00:23:29] have you been able to access any money from the government?
[00:23:33] So no to your question, because 3D concrete printing
[00:23:36] doesn't fit in a traditional way. So Linda,
[00:23:39] you're telling me you talked to the local government,
[00:23:42] provincial government, the federal government, Nothing,
[00:23:45] Nothing.
[00:23:47] But for Linda's robotic arm to build homes,
[00:23:50] she has to find a way to work with builders and developers.
[00:23:54] It can't do the full job. But she says so far,
[00:23:57] everyone she's spoken to in Canada isn't willing to work
[00:24:01] with the technology. Tell me, Linda,
[00:24:03] what do you think is behind that?
[00:24:05] That fear or reluctance is just the fear of the new. Yes,
[00:24:09] it's unknown. So if I was able to build a proof of concept and
[00:24:13] people were able to come into it and touch it and feel it and
[00:24:18] see it,
[00:24:19] they would be amazed that it's not just a concrete home,
[00:24:22] it's a beautiful living space. The slow birth of 3D printed
[00:24:26] housing in Canada is in contrast to other parts of the
[00:24:29] world. In Germany, the business seems to be
[00:24:32] booming. China, Mexico, Denmark are all working with
[00:24:35] this technology. And in the US they've built everything from
[00:24:39] Walmarts to Starbucks to marine barracks using this method. So
[00:24:43] why does Canada seem to be lagging behind the construction
[00:24:47] industries like an ocean winner? It's a complex system and it
[00:24:51] takes a lot of time and effort to change its direction. This
[00:24:54] professor of architecture says the on mass adoption of 3D
[00:24:57] printing has to come from the industry,
[00:25:00] not just the government. You know, with 3D printing,
[00:25:03] you're only printing just the walls. I mean,
[00:25:05] sometimes you're including other things,
[00:25:07] but really you have to think about countertops and plumbing
[00:25:11] systems and electrical systems and how those are kind of
[00:25:14] synced up. Building code, zoning regulations,
[00:25:16] financing practices, all of these systems are aligned
[00:25:20] to the traditional ways we built. So in order for 3D
[00:25:23] printing to really take off in Canada,
[00:25:25] traditional builders and developers must get on board.
[00:25:30] This architect and professor of urban design agrees with that.
[00:25:34] She thinks 3D could be a solution,
[00:25:36] but not the silver bullet to solve Canada's housing crisis
[00:25:39] fast isn't always the thing that's going to bring us. The
[00:25:43] most sustainable solution, Which she's not so sure about
[00:25:46] is how long houses built this way will last,
[00:25:49] or if they will be able to be renovated and refurbished
[00:25:52] eventually. She also has other ideas about why 3D printing may
[00:25:56] not be the perfect fit for Canada. Our harsh winters,
[00:26:00] if we're thinking about insulation in Canada, you know,
[00:26:04] you need like this month's insulation in the house really
[00:26:07] and truly, particularly in the northern
[00:26:10] areas. I'd even say even wider still on a frigid winter's day
[00:26:14] in Gananoque ON that proof of concept that Linda spoke about
[00:26:18] does exist. Tell me about this project. It's one of the first
[00:26:21] ones of its kind in Canada, right?
[00:26:24] What we're sitting in is the 1st and largest neighborhood in
[00:26:27] Canada built using concrete 3D printing.
[00:26:30] The company took a chance and used 3D printed cement for
[00:26:34] exterior and interior wall construction of this townhouse
[00:26:39] complex. This is the kitchen, open concept kitchen,
[00:26:44] bathroom, very modern. The results of
[00:26:46] this high tech method may be surprisingly warm and organic
[00:26:50] with 3D printings, signature curved edges. The
[00:26:53] company CEO says they've thought about potential
[00:26:56] problems like insulation and solve them. You talked about
[00:27:00] the insulation. So this is what the insulation looks like. It's
[00:27:04] an outside wall here and then on the inside and all of that
[00:27:08] space, that thick space in between is
[00:27:10] the insulation. So that's why this is a warmer room than a
[00:27:14] traditional building. And it's cold outside right now,
[00:27:18] but it's quite. But it's quite warm here. Yeah. And it's also
[00:27:22] very quiet. The company did get a grant from the Canada
[00:27:25] Mortgage and Housing Corporation for the use of 3D
[00:27:28] printing. In an e-mail to CBC, the corporation says that's one
[00:27:32] of only three grants for 3D printing and construction
[00:27:36] they've given out so far, and then says there were
[00:27:39] technical and bureaucratic hurdles to overcome. Certainly
[00:27:42] the technologically challenges to demonstrate,
[00:27:45] for example, that this wall system and the
[00:27:48] methodologies satisfy Ontario building code regulations.
[00:27:52] That's one example. Finding engineers that would work with
[00:27:55] us, finding trades and contractors
[00:27:58] that would work with something new. But still,
[00:28:00] by reducing the number of workers needed and upping the
[00:28:04] speed of construction, they say they can considerably
[00:28:07] reduce the costs needed to build conventionally and that
[00:28:11] as the tech progresses in the industry,
[00:28:13] speed and savings will grow.
[00:28:16] And those kinds of savings are being seen in the rants. People
[00:28:20] who will live in these units will be charged. Eight of the
[00:28:23] units will be priced at around $1000 a month,
[00:28:26] which we think is pretty affordable. This is not the end
[00:28:30] of their 3D printing housing ambitions. Just east of
[00:28:33] Hamilton ON, they're building even bigger.
[00:28:36] It's an Indigenous lead design project. It's a three story
[00:28:39] building. It's going to be all built by 3D printing. All built
[00:28:43] by 3D printing. Multiple mobile robots running on the
[00:28:46] website. So it's leading edge certainly for Canada and it's
[00:28:50] one of, if not the biggest project in
[00:28:53] the world using this technology. The mix comes back in Muskoka.
[00:28:57] Linda Reesman still has hope despite setbacks. Do you feel
[00:29:01] like you maybe a little like almost too early on a trend?
[00:29:05] Too early? Definitely. I think they
[00:29:07] there's founders like me, there's companies like me that
[00:29:11] start early off and people just watch and they see what's going
[00:29:16] to happen to these companies.
[00:29:18] My goal is just to give people a place to live. It's really
[00:29:23] hard for people
[00:29:25] and I seen it first hand.
[00:29:29] Once somebody has a roof over their head,
[00:29:33] everything changes for them.
[00:29:37] For now, Linda and her partner are
[00:29:39] living in a rented condo. They're negotiating with
[00:29:42] construction companies abroad that work with 3D printing
[00:29:45] technology.
[00:29:47] Her business is also working with interior designers and
[00:29:51] using their 3D printer for outdoor landscaping projects.
[00:29:55] So this is an outdoor fire pit that we just have to finish and
[00:29:59] put the fire elements inside.
[00:30:02] And dreaming of when she'll see her own 3D house on this plot
[00:30:06] of land.
[00:30:26] I'm Adrian Arceneaux, chief correspondent for CBC News. Here's what's making news right now.
[00:30:32] TRIGGERING MASS EVACUATIONS. THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF
[00:30:35] THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FROM COMMUNITIES ALL
[00:30:38] PEOPLE FROM COMMUNITIES ALL AROUND NAG LAKE OKANAGAN ARE D
[00:30:43] AROUND NAG LAKE OKANAGAN ARE D TO LEAVE. TO LEAVE. THE CBC'S. THE CBC'S. >> Tanya: TANYA FLETCHER JS
[00:30:47] >> Tanya: TANYA FLETCHER JS US FROM VANCOUVER WITH MORE. US FROM VANCOUVER WITH MORE. THE STORY IS DEVELOPING SO THE STORY IS DEVELOPING SO QUICKLY.
[00:30:50] QUICKLY. WHAT ARE THE LATEST NUMBERS? WHAT ARE THE LATEST NUMBERS? >> Reporter: THE TWO BULLET
[00:30:53] >> Reporter: THE TWO BULLET POINTS ARE 20,000 PEOPLE ROUGHLY POINTS ARE 20,000 PEOPLE ROUGHLY AFFECTED BY THE EVACUATION