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[00:00:24] [♪♪] >> Karina: HELLO. >> Karina: HELLO. I'M KARINA ROMAN.
[00:00:27] I'M KARINA ROMAN. THIS IS CBC NEWS NETWORK. THIS IS CBC NEWS NETWORK. ANDREW NICHOLS IS AWAY.
[00:00:29] ANDREW NICHOLS IS AWAY. >>> CANADA TRADE MINISTER
[00:00:32] >>> CANADA TRADE MINISTER DOMINIC LeBLANC IS GETTING SET DOMINIC LeBLANC IS GETTING SET FOR ANOTHER HIGH STAKES MEETING
[00:00:35] FOR ANOTHER HIGH STAKES MEETING THIS HOUR.
[00:00:39] THIS HOUR. LeBLANC ALONG WITH CHIEF
[00:00:40] LeBLANC ALONG WITH CHIEF CANADIAN NEGOTIATOR JANET
[00:00:43] CANADIAN NEGOTIATOR JANET CHAREST IS MEETING WITH CHAREST IS MEETING WITH JAMIESON GREER.
[00:00:47] JAMIESON GREER. LeBLANC AND CHAREST HAVE BEEN
[00:00:56] LeBLANC AND CHAREST HAVE BEEN IN WASHINGTON FOR DAYS MEETING IN WASHINGTON FOR DAYS MEETING WITH GREER.
[00:01:00] WITH GREER. THE CBCs OLIVIA STEFANOVICH IS THE CBCs OLIVIA STEFANOVICH IS TRACKING THE STORY FOR US TODAY
[00:01:03] TRACKING THE STORY FOR US TODAY FROM OTTAWA.
[00:01:05] FROM OTTAWA. SHE JOINS US NOW.
[00:01:09] SHE JOINS US NOW. OLIVIA, AHEAD OF A MEETING SET
[00:01:12] OLIVIA, AHEAD OF A MEETING SET TO START IN ABOUT AN HOUR WHERE
[00:01:16] TO START IN ABOUT AN HOUR WHERE DO THINGS STAND?
[00:01:18] DO THINGS STAND? >> Reporter: WELL, THE MINISTER
[00:01:20] >> Reporter: WELL, THE MINISTER RESPONSIBLE FOR CANADA-U.S.
[00:01:23] RESPONSIBLE FOR CANADA-U.S. TRADE DOMINIC LeBLANC AND CHIEF
[00:01:27] TRADE DOMINIC LeBLANC AND CHIEF NEGOTIATOR JANET CHAREST MEET NEGOTIATOR JANET CHAREST MEET WITH JAMIESON GREER JUST A FEW
[00:01:31] WITH JAMIESON GREER JUST A FEW DAYS AGO THEY LEFT DISAPPOINTED DAYS AGO THEY LEFT DISAPPOINTED BY WHAT THE AMERICANS WERE
[00:01:34] BY WHAT THE AMERICANS WERE OFFERING AND THAT'S BECAUSE OFFERING AND THAT'S BECAUSE SOURCES SAY THE AMERICANS WERE
[00:01:37] SOURCES SAY THE AMERICANS WERE WILLING TO MAKE SOME
[00:01:39] WILLING TO MAKE SOME CONCESSIONS ON SECTORAL TARIFFS
[00:01:42] CONCESSIONS ON SECTORAL TARIFFS BUT NOT ENOUGH FOR CANADA TO BUT NOT ENOUGH FOR CANADA TO MAKE ANOTHER DEAL.
[00:01:45] MAKE ANOTHER DEAL. REMEMBER, CANADA IS LOOKING FOR REMEMBER, CANADA IS LOOKING FOR A COMPREHENSIVE DEAL WITH THE
[00:01:48] A COMPREHENSIVE DEAL WITH THE AMERICANS, ONE THEY HOPE THE AMERICANS, ONE THEY HOPE THE U.S. PRESIDENT WILL APPROVE
[00:01:51] U.S. PRESIDENT WILL APPROVE NEXT WEEK IN ORDER TO AVOID A
[00:01:53] NEXT WEEK IN ORDER TO AVOID A NEW 50% LEVY ON CANADIAN GOODS
[00:01:55] NEW 50% LEVY ON CANADIAN GOODS THAT'S SET TO TAKE EFFECT NEXT
[00:01:58] THAT'S SET TO TAKE EFFECT NEXT WEDNESDAY. WEDNESDAY. CANADA LOOKING FOR A CANADA LOOKING FOR A COMPREHENSIVE DEAL THAT WOULD
[00:02:02] COMPREHENSIVE DEAL THAT WOULD NOT ONLY ADDRESS THE NEW TAHS NOT ONLY ADDRESS THE NEW TAHS BUT WOULD ADDRESS THE TARIFFS
[00:02:05] BUT WOULD ADDRESS THE TARIFFS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE AND THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE AND IT'S NOT JUST CANADIANS WHO ARE
[00:02:08] IT'S NOT JUST CANADIANS WHO ARE URGING THE U.S. ADMINISTRATION, URGING THE U.S. ADMINISTRATION, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, FOR
[00:02:11] THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, FOR THAT MATTER, TO CHANGE THE
[00:02:18] THAT MATTER, TO CHANGE THE TARIFF ATTITUDE, LET'S TAKE A
[00:02:21] TARIFF ATTITUDE, LET'S TAKE A LISTEN NOW TO WHAT SOME
[00:02:24] LISTEN NOW TO WHAT SOME AMERICAN -- AN INDUSTRY EXPERT AMERICAN -- AN INDUSTRY EXPERT HAS TO SAY ABOUT THE CURRENT
[00:02:27] HAS TO SAY ABOUT THE CURRENT STATE OF NEGOTIATIONS AND WHY STATE OF NEGOTIATIONS AND WHY AMERICANS WANT TRUMP TO NOT
[00:02:31] AMERICANS WANT TRUMP TO NOT FOLLOW-THROUGH ON THIS THREAT. FOLLOW-THROUGH ON THIS THREAT. >> THE PRESSURE IS ON IN
[00:02:35] >> THE PRESSURE IS ON IN WASHINGTON. WASHINGTON. IT'S CERTAINLY ON IN OTTAWA.
[00:02:37] IT'S CERTAINLY ON IN OTTAWA. I THINK IT MIGHT BE PERHAPS I THINK IT MIGHT BE PERHAPS LESS VISIBLE, LESS APPARENT LESS VISIBLE, LESS APPARENT HERE IN WASHINGTON BUT
[00:02:41] HERE IN WASHINGTON BUT CERTAINLY BEHIND THE SCENES OUR
[00:02:45] CERTAINLY BEHIND THE SCENES OUR INDUSTRY, OTHER INDUSTRIES, ARE
[00:02:46] INDUSTRY, OTHER INDUSTRIES, ARE TAKING THE MESSAGE TO THE WHITE
[00:02:51] TAKING THE MESSAGE TO THE WHITE HOUSE THAT THIS ADDITIONAL
[00:02:53] HOUSE THAT THIS ADDITIONAL ROUND OF TARIFFS WILL STACK ON
[00:02:56] ROUND OF TARIFFS WILL STACK ON TOP OF EXISTING TARIFFS IS BAD
[00:02:59] TOP OF EXISTING TARIFFS IS BAD NEWS FOR U.S. MANUFACTURERS AND
[00:03:02] NEWS FOR U.S. MANUFACTURERS AND CERTAINLY BAD FOR CANADIAN CERTAINLY BAD FOR CANADIAN MANUFACTURERS.
[00:03:05] MANUFACTURERS. IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE US MORE IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE US MORE COMPETITIVE.
[00:03:08] COMPETITIVE. >> Reporter: SOURCES FAMILIAR
[00:03:11] WITH THE TRADE TALKS SAY THE U.S. IS MAKING SEVERAL DEMANDS U.S. IS MAKING SEVERAL DEMANDS OF THE CANADIANS INCLUDING THE
[00:03:14] OF THE CANADIANS INCLUDING THE FACT THAT THEY WANT AMERICAN FACT THAT THEY WANT AMERICAN BOOZE BACK ON CANADIAN STORE
[00:03:17] BOOZE BACK ON CANADIAN STORE SHELVES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
[00:03:21] SHELVES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THEY WANT TO SEE PREFERANENTIA
[00:03:29] THEY WANT TO SEE PREFERANENTIA ACCESS TO CRITICAL MINERALS AND
[00:03:34] ACCESS TO CRITICAL MINERALS AND ENERGY.
[00:03:35] ENERGY. DAIRY FARMERS AND DAIRY
[00:03:39] DAIRY FARMERS AND DAIRY PROCESSORS ASSOCIATION OF PROCESSORS ASSOCIATION OF CANADA RELEASED A JOINT
[00:03:42] CANADA RELEASED A JOINT STATEMENT TODAY SAYING THAT STATEMENT TODAY SAYING THAT THEIR SECTOR IS BEING DRAGGED
[00:03:45] THEIR SECTOR IS BEING DRAGGED INTO THESE TRADE TALKS AND INTO THESE TRADE TALKS AND THEY'RE URGING THE FEDERAL THEY'RE URGING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DEFEND FOOD
[00:03:49] GOVERNMENT TO DEFEND FOOD SOVEREIGNTY IN THESE SOVEREIGNTY IN THESE NEGOTIATIONS GOING FORWARD.
[00:03:52] NEGOTIATIONS GOING FORWARD. LET'S TAKE A LISTEN NOW TO THE LET'S TAKE A LISTEN NOW TO THE FINANCE MINISTER ON THE STATUS
[00:03:55] FINANCE MINISTER ON THE STATUS OF THESE TRADE NEGOTIATIONS
[00:03:56] OF THESE TRADE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE U.S.
[00:04:00] WITH THE U.S. >> YOU KNOW, WHEN THINGS ARE >> YOU KNOW, WHEN THINGS ARE TOUGH WE FOCUS ON WHAT WE CAN
[00:04:03] TOUGH WE FOCUS ON WHAT WE CAN CONTROL, SO WHAT DO WE CONTROL? CONTROL, SO WHAT DO WE CONTROL? WE CAN CONTROL TO BUY CANADIAN,
[00:04:06] WE CAN CONTROL TO BUY CANADIAN, WE CAN CONTROL TO REMAIN WE CAN CONTROL TO REMAIN BARRIERS BETWEEN PROVINCES.
[00:04:09] BARRIERS BETWEEN PROVINCES. WE CONTROL TO INVEST IN OUR WE CONTROL TO INVEST IN OUR ECONOMY, TO INVEST IN OUR
[00:04:12] ECONOMY, TO INVEST IN OUR BUSINESSES, TO SUPPORT BUSINESSES, TO SUPPORT CANADIAN.
[00:04:15] CANADIAN. WE CONTROL TO OPEN OVERSEAS
[00:04:17] WE CONTROL TO OPEN OVERSEAS MARKET, WE CONTROL OUR OWN MARKET, WE CONTROL OUR OWN DESTINY.
[00:04:21] DESTINY. >> Reporter: SO THE FINANCE >> Reporter: SO THE FINANCE MINISTER IS SAYING THERE NO
[00:04:24] MINISTER IS SAYING THERE NO MATTER HOW THE NEXT FEW DAYS GO MATTER HOW THE NEXT FEW DAYS GO AND WHETHER THE U.S. DECIDES TO
[00:04:28] AND WHETHER THE U.S. DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE TARIFFS MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE TARIFFS NEXT WEEK OR NOT CANADA WILL
[00:04:31] NEXT WEEK OR NOT CANADA WILL CONTINUE TO DO MORE WORK AT
[00:04:33] CONTINUE TO DO MORE WORK AT HOME TO MAKE THE COUNTRY MORE
[00:04:36] HOME TO MAKE THE COUNTRY MORE RESILIENT AND LESS DEPENDENT ON
[00:04:38] RESILIENT AND LESS DEPENDENT ON THE U.S.
[00:04:40] THE U.S. >> Karina: NOW, OLIVIA, WE ALSO
[00:04:44] >> Karina: NOW, OLIVIA, WE ALSO HEARD FROM U.S. TRADE EXPERTS.
[00:04:55] HEARD FROM U.S. TRADE EXPERTS. WHA WHA -- FROM SOME TRADE EXPERTS.
[00:04:59] WHAT ARE THEY SAYING RIGHT NOW? >> Reporter: WELL, THE TRUMP >> Reporter: WELL, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WANTS PROVINCES
[00:05:03] ADMINISTRATION WANTS PROVINCES TO RESTOCK THEIR SHELVES WITH TO RESTOCK THEIR SHELVES WITH AMERICAN BOOZE BUT SO FAR THE
[00:05:06] AMERICAN BOOZE BUT SO FAR THE PROVINCES HAVE RESISTED. PROVINCES HAVE RESISTED. WE HAVE HEARD FROM ONTARIO
[00:05:10] WE HAVE HEARD FROM ONTARIO PREMIER DOUG FORD WHO SAID HE PREMIER DOUG FORD WHO SAID HE WOULD BE WILLING TO REVERSE THE
[00:05:14] WOULD BE WILLING TO REVERSE THE AMERICAN BOOZE BAN BUT ONLY IF AMERICAN BOOZE BAN BUT ONLY IF THERE'S A FAIR DEAL AND ONE
[00:05:17] THERE'S A FAIR DEAL AND ONE THAT TREATS CANADA'S
[00:05:20] THAT TREATS CANADA'S MANUFACTURING SECTOR FAIRLY.
[00:05:22] MANUFACTURING SECTOR FAIRLY. WE'LL HEAR FROM QUEBEC'S
[00:05:26] WE'LL HEAR FROM QUEBEC'S PREMIER ABOUT THE TRADE TALKS PREMIER ABOUT THE TRADE TALKS AND HOW THEY WANT MORE SUPPORT
[00:05:29] AND HOW THEY WANT MORE SUPPORT FOR BUSINESSES. FOR BUSINESSES. >> I'LL BE CLEAR, WE WANT A
[00:05:32] >> I'LL BE CLEAR, WE WANT A FAIR DEAL FOR ONTARIO, WE WANT
[00:05:33] FAIR DEAL FOR ONTARIO, WE WANT A FAIR DEAL FOR CANADIANS, AND
[00:05:37] A FAIR DEAL FOR CANADIANS, AND WE NEGOTIATE THROUGH STRENGTH, WE NEGOTIATE THROUGH STRENGTH, NOT WEAKNESS, AND WE HAVE TO
[00:05:40] NOT WEAKNESS, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE ANYTHING MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE ANYTHING HAPPENS WE PROTECT OUR AUTO
[00:05:43] HAPPENS WE PROTECT OUR AUTO SECTOR, OUR STEEL SECTOR, OUR
[00:05:46] SECTOR, OUR STEEL SECTOR, OUR AGRICULTURAL SECTOR, AND OUR
[00:05:48] AGRICULTURAL SECTOR, AND OUR FRIENDS IN THE ALUMINUM SECTOR
[00:05:55] FRIENDS IN THE ALUMINUM SECTOR IN QUEBEC. IN QUEBEC. WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR MANUFACTURING SECTOR BEFORE WE
[00:05:59] MANUFACTURING SECTOR BEFORE WE PUT ANY BOOZE ON THE SHELVES. PUT ANY BOOZE ON THE SHELVES. >> WE'LL BE THERE SHOULD
[00:06:01] >> WE'LL BE THERE SHOULD BUSINESSES NEED OUR SUPPORT BUSINESSES NEED OUR SUPPORT BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE AN BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT APPLICATION OF NEW
[00:06:05] IMPORTANT APPLICATION OF NEW TARIFFS. TARIFFS. I THINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT I THINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD BE THERE ALSO BECAUSE
[00:06:09] WOULD BE THERE ALSO BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONE WHO ARE THEY ARE THE ONE WHO ARE NEGOTIATING, THEY ARE THE ONE
[00:06:12] NEGOTIATING, THEY ARE THE ONE WHO CAN SEE THE TYPE OF IMPACT
[00:06:15] WHO CAN SEE THE TYPE OF IMPACT THAT WILL BE TRIGGERED INTO THE THAT WILL BE TRIGGERED INTO THE NEGOTIATION, THE CURRENT
[00:06:18] NEGOTIATION, THE CURRENT NEGOTIATION.
[00:06:19] NEGOTIATION. >> Reporter: NOW SOURCES TELL
[00:06:24] >> Reporter: NOW SOURCES TELL CBC NEWS THAT THE DAY THAT
[00:06:26] CBC NEWS THAT THE DAY THAT HUNDREDS OF CANADIAN-TYPE
[00:06:31] HUNDREDS OF CANADIAN-TYPE IMPORTS WILL KICK IN AND CANADA
[00:06:33] IMPORTS WILL KICK IN AND CANADA WILL NO LONGER BE INTERESTED IN
[00:06:36] WILL NO LONGER BE INTERESTED IN CONTINUING THESE TRADE TALKS CONTINUING THESE TRADE TALKS BECAUSE PEOPLE AT HOME WILL BE
[00:06:39] BECAUSE PEOPLE AT HOME WILL BE SO ANGRY, AND THE PREMIERS, AS
[00:06:41] SO ANGRY, AND THE PREMIERS, AS WELL, WOULD LIKELY BE WANTING
[00:06:44] WELL, WOULD LIKELY BE WANTING TO RETALIATE.
[00:06:48] TO RETALIATE. SOURCES SAY THAT CANADIAN SOURCES SAY THAT CANADIAN OFFICIALS HAVE MADE THAT CLEAR
[00:06:51] OFFICIALS HAVE MADE THAT CLEAR TO AMERICANS AND WE'LL HAVE TO
[00:06:54] WAIT TO SEE IF AMERICANS COME THROUGH WITH SOMETHING BETTER, THROUGH WITH SOMETHING BETTER, SOMETHING THAT CANADIANS CAN SOMETHING THAT CANADIANS CAN ACCEPT.
[00:06:58] ACCEPT. IN THE MEANTIME, WE HEARD FROM IN THE MEANTIME, WE HEARD FROM THE PRIME MINISTER BEFORE HE
[00:07:00] THE PRIME MINISTER BEFORE HE WENT ON VACATION. WENT ON VACATION. HE'S IN ITALY TAKING A REDUCED HE'S IN ITALY TAKING A REDUCED SCHEDULE, ON A REDUCED
[00:07:04] SCHEDULE, ON A REDUCED SCHEDULE, AND THE PRIME SCHEDULE, AND THE PRIME MINISTER SAID THAT EVERYTHING MINISTER SAID THAT EVERYTHING IS ON THE TABLE FOR CANADA AND
[00:07:09] IS ON THE TABLE FOR CANADA AND IF THE NEW
[00:07:13] OTTAWA. >>> ONTARIO'S OPTICIAN PARTIES >>> ONTARIO'S OPTICIAN PARTIES ARE DEMANDING ANSWERS OVER AN
[00:07:17] ARE DEMANDING ANSWERS OVER AN ALLEGATION THAT THE PROGRESSIVE
[00:07:20] ALLEGATION THAT THE PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE PARTY PIED ON CONSERVATIVE PARTY PIED ON FORMER PROVINCIAL LIBERAL LEADER FORMER PROVINCIAL LIBERAL LEADER BONNIE CROMBIE.
[00:07:24] BONNIE CROMBIE. THE ALLEGATIONS SURFACED IN A
[00:07:25] THE ALLEGATIONS SURFACED IN A REPORT IN THE ONLINE NEWS
[00:07:29] REPORT IN THE ONLINE NEWS PUBLICATION THE TRILLIUM. PUBLICATION THE TRILLIUM. THE CBC'S MEAGAN FITZPATRICK
[00:07:32] THE CBC'S MEAGAN FITZPATRICK HAVE IN GUELPH ONTARIO FOR AN HAVE IN GUELPH ONTARIO FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT DATA CENTRES
[00:07:36] ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT DATA CENTRES AND JOINS US LIVE. AND JOINS US LIVE. MEAGAN, WHAT DID FORD HAVE TO
[00:07:39] MEAGAN, WHAT DID FORD HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE SPYING ALLEGATION?
[00:07:41] SAY ABOUT THE SPYING ALLEGATION? >> Reporter: WELL, KARINA, HE >> Reporter: WELL, KARINA, HE DIDN'T DENY THE ALLEGATION THAT
[00:07:45] DIDN'T DENY THE ALLEGATION THAT WALLS REPORTED IN THE THIS WALLS REPORTED IN THE THIS MORNING'S -- THE TRILLIUM.
[00:07:48] MORNING'S -- THE TRILLIUM. EARLIER THIS WEEK WEEK, THEY HAD EARLIER THIS WEEK WEEK, THEY HAD REPORTED ON SOME EXPENSES THAT
[00:07:52] REPORTED ON SOME EXPENSES THAT HAD BEEN FILED BY THE ONTARIO HAD BEEN FILED BY THE ONTARIO P.C. PARTY IN 2023 WHERE THEY
[00:07:55] P.C. PARTY IN 2023 WHERE THEY LISTED EXPENSES FOR TWO LISTED EXPENSES FOR TWO DIFFERENT HOTELS IN JAMAICA AND
[00:07:59] DIFFERENT HOTELS IN JAMAICA AND WHEN ASKED TO EXPLAIN THEM, THE WHEN ASKED TO EXPLAIN THEM, THE PARTY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TO
[00:08:02] PARTY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY IN THE WAY OF EXPLANATION SAY IN THE WAY OF EXPLANATION OTHER THAN SAYING THEY WEREN'T
[00:08:06] OTHER THAN SAYING THEY WEREN'T FOR SOMEBODY'S PERSONAL VACATION FOR SOMEBODY'S PERSONAL VACATION OR PERSONAL REASONS.
[00:08:10] OR PERSONAL REASONS. THEN THEY UPDATED THEIR THEN THEY UPDATED THEIR REPORTING THIS MORNING AND CITED
[00:08:13] REPORTING THIS MORNING AND CITED SOURCES REPORTING THAT SOMEONE
[00:08:15] SOURCES REPORTING THAT SOMEONE HAD BEEN SENT BY THE P.C. PARTY
[00:08:18] HAD BEEN SENT BY THE P.C. PARTY TO JAMAICA WHERE FORMER ONTARIO TO JAMAICA WHERE FORMER ONTARIO LIBERAL LEADER BONNIE CROMBIE
[00:08:21] LIBERAL LEADER BONNIE CROMBIE WAS TAKING A PERSONAL VACATION.
[00:08:25] WAS TAKING A PERSONAL VACATION. NOW WHEN ASKED ABOUT THIS TODAY, NOW WHEN ASKED ABOUT THIS TODAY, PREMIER FORD SAYING HE JUST
[00:08:29] PREMIER FORD SAYING HE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IT YESTERDAY AND FOUND OUT ABOUT IT YESTERDAY AND IN THE TRILLIUM REPORTING THEY
[00:08:32] IN THE TRILLIUM REPORTING THEY HAD QUOTED A SPOKESPERSON FOR HAD QUOTED A SPOKESPERSON FOR FORD'S OFFICE SAYING THE PREMIER
[00:08:36] FORD'S OFFICE SAYING THE PREMIER DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS AT THE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS AT THE TIME. TIME. AND FORD SAYING TODAY TALK TO
[00:08:40] AND FORD SAYING TODAY TALK TO THE PARTY. THE PARTY. CBC HAS REACHED OUT TO THE P.C.
[00:08:43] CBC HAS REACHED OUT TO THE P.C. PARTY FOR ONTARIO TO ASK SEVERAL
[00:08:48] PARTY FOR ONTARIO TO ASK SEVERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS REPORT AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS REPORT AND HAS NOT HEARD BACK YET BUT
[00:08:51] HAS NOT HEARD BACK YET BUT PREMIER FORD SAYING IT'S
[00:08:53] PREMIER FORD SAYING IT'S POLITICS BY WAY OF EXPLANATION
[00:08:58] BUT HE DID SAY I WOULDN'T DO IT, SEEMINGLY INDICATING HE WOULDN'T SEEMINGLY INDICATING HE WOULDN'T HAVE APPROVED OF THIS ACTION HAD
[00:09:01] HAVE APPROVED OF THIS ACTION HAD HE KNOWN ABOUT IT AT THE TIME. HE KNOWN ABOUT IT AT THE TIME. HE SAID HE DIDN'T APPROVE OF IT.
[00:09:04] HE SAID HE DIDN'T APPROVE OF IT. WOULDN'T DO T BUT MULTIPLE TIMES WOULDN'T DO T BUT MULTIPLE TIMES SAID IT'S $3,000.
[00:09:08] SAID IT'S $3,000. IT IS ABOUT $3,000, THE HOTEL IT IS ABOUT $3,000, THE HOTEL EXPENSES FILED BY THE PARTY AND
[00:09:12] EXPENSES FILED BY THE PARTY AND THEY HAVE TO FILE THESE EXPENSES THEY HAVE TO FILE THESE EXPENSES WITH ELECTIONS ONTARIO AND THEY
[00:09:16] WITH ELECTIONS ONTARIO AND THEY IN PART HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE
[00:09:17] IN PART HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST PARTY MONEY,
[00:09:20] THIS IS NOT JUST PARTY MONEY, POLITICAL PARTIES ARE IN PART POLITICAL PARTIES ARE IN PART FUNDED BY DONATIONS, MEMBERS OF
[00:09:23] FUNDED BY DONATIONS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, BUT ALSO THEY GET
[00:09:25] THE PUBLIC, BUT ALSO THEY GET SUBSIDIES THAT ARE FUNDED BY
[00:09:28] SUBSIDIES THAT ARE FUNDED BY TAXPAYERS, A PER VOTE SUBSIDY. TAXPAYERS, A PER VOTE SUBSIDY. SO THAT'S ABOUT ALL FORD HAD TO
[00:09:32] SO THAT'S ABOUT ALL FORD HAD TO SAY ABOUT IT, REPEATEDLY SAYING
[00:09:35] SAY ABOUT IT, REPEATEDLY SAYING TALK TO THE PARTY.
[00:09:38] TALK TO THE PARTY. AND BONNIE CROMBIE HAS CONFIRMED
[00:09:40] AND BONNIE CROMBIE HAS CONFIRMED TO CBC NEWS THAT SHE DID TAKE A
[00:09:43] TO CBC NEWS THAT SHE DID TAKE A VACATION TO JAMAICA IN 2023 AND VACATION TO JAMAICA IN 2023 AND STAYED AT ONE OF THE HOTEL THAT
[00:09:46] STAYED AT ONE OF THE HOTEL THAT IS THE P.C. PARTY FILED AN
[00:09:48] IS THE P.C. PARTY FILED AN EXPENSE FOR, BUT BEYOND, THAT EXPENSE FOR, BUT BEYOND, THAT KARINA, SHE'S NOT COMMENTING.
[00:09:52] KARINA, SHE'S NOT COMMENTING. >> Karina: WHILE WE WAIT TO
[00:09:53] >> Karina: WHILE WE WAIT TO HEAR FROM THE PARTY, WHAT IS THE HEAR FROM THE PARTY, WHAT IS THE ONTARIO OPPOSITION SAYING ABOUT
[00:09:58] ONTARIO OPPOSITION SAYING ABOUT THE SPYING ALLEGATION? THE SPYING ALLEGATION? >> Reporter: WELL, THEY'RE
[00:10:01] >> Reporter: WELL, THEY'RE HAVING PRETTY STRONG REACTIONS HAVING PRETTY STRONG REACTIONS TO THIS REPORTING.
[00:10:03] TO THIS REPORTING. BOTH THE N.D.P. AND THE LIBERALS BOTH THE N.D.P. AND THE LIBERALS HAVE BEEN SPEAKING OUT TODAY
[00:10:06] HAVE BEEN SPEAKING OUT TODAY SAYING THAT THIS IS CREEPY, SAYING THAT THIS IS CREEPY, DISGUSTING AND THAT IT WENT TOO
[00:10:10] DISGUSTING AND THAT IT WENT TOO FAR. FAR. NOW POLITICAL PARTIES DO DO WHAT
[00:10:13] NOW POLITICAL PARTIES DO DO WHAT THEY CALL OPPOSITION RESEARCH ON
[00:10:15] THEY CALL OPPOSITION RESEARCH ON THEIR POLITICAL OPPONENTS, BUT
[00:10:18] THEIR POLITICAL OPPONENTS, BUT TO FOLLOW SOMEONE OUT OF THE
[00:10:19] TO FOLLOW SOMEONE OUT OF THE COUNTRY ON A PERSONAL VACATION,
[00:10:22] COUNTRY ON A PERSONAL VACATION, THEY SAY IS COMPLETELY
[00:10:25] THEY SAY IS COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE.
[00:10:29] INAPPROPRIATE. HERE'S M.P. -- LIBERAL M.P.P.
[00:10:37] HERE'S M.P. -- LIBERAL M.P.P. STEPHANIE SMYTH. STEPHANIE SMYTH. >> NOT ONLY DISTURBING BUT AN >> NOT ONLY DISTURBING BUT AN ABSOLUTE VIOLATION OF SOMEONE'S
[00:10:41] ABSOLUTE VIOLATION OF SOMEONE'S PRIVACY. PRIVACY. IT GOES BEYOND ORDINARY
[00:10:44] IT GOES BEYOND ORDINARY POLITICAL OPPOSITION, RESEARCH POLITICAL OPPOSITION, RESEARCH THAT WE KNOW THAT PARTIES DO
[00:10:47] THAT WE KNOW THAT PARTIES DO WHEN WE SEE SOMEONE ACTUALLY
[00:10:50] WHEN WE SEE SOMEONE ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY FOLLOWING SOMEONE TO
[00:10:52] PHYSICALLY FOLLOWING SOMEONE TO OBSERVE A POLITICAL OPPONENT IS
[00:10:56] OBSERVE A POLITICAL OPPONENT IS JUST THE LOWEST OF THE LOW.
[00:11:00] JUST THE LOWEST OF THE LOW. AND ONTARIANS DESERVE ANSWERS AND ONTARIANS DESERVE ANSWERS ABOUT THIS.
[00:11:03] ABOUT THIS. WHO AUTHORIZED THIS?
[00:11:06] WHO AUTHORIZED THIS? WHO APPROVED THIS SPENDING?
[00:11:09] WHO APPROVED THIS SPENDING? WHO WAS DIRECTING THIS WHO WAS DIRECTING THIS OPERATION?
[00:11:12] OPERATION? AND WHAT EXACTLY WERE THEY
[00:11:14] AND WHAT EXACTLY WERE THEY LOOKING FOR?
[00:11:17] LOOKING FOR? >> Reporter: AND N.D.P. LEADER >> Reporter: AND N.D.P. LEADER MARIT STILES ALSO SPOKE TO
[00:11:21] MARIT STILES ALSO SPOKE TO REPORTERS ABOUT THIS TODAY. REPORTERS ABOUT THIS TODAY. SIMILARLY CALLING IT CREEPY,
[00:11:24] SIMILARLY CALLING IT CREEPY, DISTURBING,ING SAYING IT RAISES DISTURBING,ING SAYING IT RAISES A LOT OF QUESTIONS AS YOU HEARD
[00:11:28] A LOT OF QUESTIONS AS YOU HEARD SMYTH SAY THERE, INCLUDING SMYTH SAY THERE, INCLUDING QUESTIONS AROUND SECURITY,
[00:11:31] QUESTIONS AROUND SECURITY, INCLUDING QUESTIONS AROUND THEY INCLUDING QUESTIONS AROUND THEY SAY HOW FAR DOUG FORD IS WILLING
[00:11:35] SAY HOW FAR DOUG FORD IS WILLING TO GO TO ATTACK HIS OPPONENTS.
[00:11:38] TO GO TO ATTACK HIS OPPONENTS. AND THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO
[00:11:41] AND THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO AUTHORIZED THIS, WHO WAS AUTHORIZED THIS, WHO WAS INVOLVED, WHO WENT TO JAMAICA,
[00:11:45] INVOLVED, WHO WENT TO JAMAICA, AND WHAT TOTAL EXPENSES WERE
[00:11:48] AND WHAT TOTAL EXPENSES WERE THERE FOR THIS TRIP? THERE FOR THIS TRIP? BONNIE CROMBIE IS NO LONGER THE
[00:11:51] BONNIE CROMBIE IS NO LONGER THE ONTARIO LIBERAL LEADER, SHE'S ONTARIO LIBERAL LEADER, SHE'S NOT DIRECTLY AN OPPONENT OF THE
[00:11:55] NOT DIRECTLY AN OPPONENT OF THE PREMIER ANYMORE, BUT SHE IS PREMIER ANYMORE, BUT SHE IS RUNNING FOR MAYOR RIGHT NOW FOR
[00:11:58] RUNNING FOR MAYOR RIGHT NOW FOR THE CITY OF MISSISSAUGA. THE CITY OF MISSISSAUGA. THAT'S THE JOB SHE USED TO HOLD
[00:12:02] THAT'S THE JOB SHE USED TO HOLD BEFORE BECOMING ONTARIO LIBERAL BEFORE BECOMING ONTARIO LIBERAL LEADER AND DOUG FORD HAS OPENLY
[00:12:06] LEADER AND DOUG FORD HAS OPENLY EXPRESSED HIS OPPOSITION TO HER
[00:12:08] EXPRESSED HIS OPPOSITION TO HER BEING THE MAYOR OF MISSISSAUGA
[00:12:11] BEING THE MAYOR OF MISSISSAUGA SAYING HOW HE WOULD SEND IN AN SAYING HOW HE WOULD SEND IN AN ARMY TO DEFEAT HER.
[00:12:15] ARMY TO DEFEAT HER. SO THAT HAS BEEN CITED BY THE SO THAT HAS BEEN CITED BY THE OPPONENTS TODAY AS WELL, KARINA,
[00:12:18] OPPONENTS TODAY AS WELL, KARINA, IN TERMS OF THEIR REACTION TO IN TERMS OF THEIR REACTION TO THESE TACTICS THAT WERE
[00:12:22] THESE TACTICS THAT WERE APPARENTLY USED BY THE P.C. APPARENTLY USED BY THE P.C. PARTY.
[00:12:26] PARTY. SO WE'RE AWAITING MORE SO WE'RE AWAITING MORE INFORMATION, MORE QUESTIONS FOR INFORMATION, MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE PARTY.
[00:12:29] THE PARTY. BUT IN TERMS OF THE PREMIER AND BUT IN TERMS OF THE PREMIER AND HIS RESPONSE TO IT, AGAIN, HE
[00:12:32] HIS RESPONSE TO IT, AGAIN, HE SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT AND SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT AND HE WOULDN'T HAVE APPROVED IT. HE WOULDN'T HAVE APPROVED IT. >> Karina: THANKS VERY MUCH
[00:12:36] >> Karina: THANKS VERY MUCH MEAGAN.
[00:12:38] THE SCENE. >>> THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT HAS
[00:12:41] >>> THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT HAS LAUNCHED A FRAMEWORK TO REGULATE
[00:12:42] LAUNCHED A FRAMEWORK TO REGULATE DATA CENTRES IN THE PROVINCE. DATA CENTRES IN THE PROVINCE. THE ANNOUNCEMENT COMES AS
[00:12:47] THE ANNOUNCEMENT COMES AS CONCERNS GROW ABOUT THOSE LARGE
[00:12:49] CONCERNS GROW ABOUT THOSE LARGE ENERGY SAPPING FACILITIES THAT ENERGY SAPPING FACILITIES THAT ARE USED TO POWER ARTIFICIAL
[00:12:52] ARE USED TO POWER ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. INTELLIGENCE. THE CBC'S MARK CARCASOLE JOINS
[00:12:55] THE CBC'S MARK CARCASOLE JOINS ME NOW IN STUDIO WITH MORE. ME NOW IN STUDIO WITH MORE. MARK, WHAT DID WE HEAR FROM THE
[00:12:58] MARK, WHAT DID WE HEAR FROM THE ONTARIO PREMIER? ONTARIO PREMIER? >> Reporter: THIS IS SOMETHING
[00:13:01] >> Reporter: THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MANY PEOPLE IN ONTARIO, THAT MANY PEOPLE IN ONTARIO, POLITICAL LEADERS, MUNICIPAL
[00:13:04] POLITICAL LEADERS, MUNICIPAL LEADERS HAVE CALLED FOR FOR A
[00:13:06] LEADERS HAVE CALLED FOR FOR A LONG TIME FROM THE PROVINCE.
[00:13:08] LONG TIME FROM THE PROVINCE. DATA CENTRES IS WERE NOT NEW BUT DATA CENTRES IS WERE NOT NEW BUT ONTARIO AND ACROSS CANADA WE
[00:13:11] ONTARIO AND ACROSS CANADA WE HAVE SEVERAL SMALLER DATA HAVE SEVERAL SMALLER DATA CENTRES MEANT TO RUN THINGS ON
[00:13:14] CENTRES MEANT TO RUN THINGS ON THE CLOUD AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE CLOUD AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WITH THE ADVENT OF A.I., THERE
[00:13:17] WITH THE ADVENT OF A.I., THERE ARE LARGE SCALE DATA CENTRES ARE LARGE SCALE DATA CENTRES THAT MANY COMPANIES WANT TO THAT MANY COMPANIES WANT TO BUILD.
[00:13:21] BUILD. THINK OF THE BIGGEST FACTORY YOU THINK OF THE BIGGEST FACTORY YOU CAN THINK OF IT AND MULTIPLY IT CAN THINK OF IT AND MULTIPLY IT SEVERAL TIMES.
[00:13:25] SEVERAL TIMES. THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THIS THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THIS FRAMEWORK BASICALLY IS THE
[00:13:27] FRAMEWORK BASICALLY IS THE PROVINCE'S WAY OF DICTATING THE
[00:13:30] PROVINCE'S WAY OF DICTATING THE RULES FOR ANYONE, ANY DEVELOPER, RULES FOR ANYONE, ANY DEVELOPER, INVESTORS WHO WANTS TO BRING A
[00:13:34] INVESTORS WHO WANTS TO BRING A LARGE SCALE DATA CENTRE INTO LARGE SCALE DATA CENTRE INTO ONTARIO.
[00:13:37] ONTARIO. THERE ARE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT THERE ARE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT THE THE PROVINCE SAYS THEY'RE THE THE PROVINCE SAYS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
[00:13:40] LOOKING FOR. MOST MOATABLY, PREMIER DOUG FORD MOST MOATABLY, PREMIER DOUG FORD SAYS THE PROVINCE WILL MAKE NO
[00:13:44] SAYS THE PROVINCE WILL MAKE NO FINANCIAL INCENTIVES TO ATTRACT FINANCIAL INCENTIVES TO ATTRACT INVESTORS.
[00:13:47] INVESTORS. HE SPOKE ABOUT DATA SOVEREIGNTY, HE SPOKE ABOUT DATA SOVEREIGNTY, RULES FOR CONNECTING TO THE RULES FOR CONNECTING TO THE GRID.
[00:13:51] GRID. HE WANTS THESE CENTRES TO PAY HE WANTS THESE CENTRES TO PAY FOR EVERY BIT OF ELECTRICITY
[00:13:54] FOR EVERY BIT OF ELECTRICITY THEY USE. THEY USE. LET'S HEAR WHAT PREMIER FORD HAD LET'S HEAR WHAT PREMIER FORD HAD TO SAY.
[00:13:57] TO SAY. >> Premier Doug Ford: ONTARIO >> Premier Doug Ford: ONTARIO WILL NOT OFFER FINANCIAL WILL NOT OFFER FINANCIAL INCENTIVES TO ATTRACT
[00:14:01] INCENTIVES TO ATTRACT INVESTMENTS. INVESTMENTS. INSTEAD WE WILL RELY ON OUR
[00:14:04] INSTEAD WE WILL RELY ON OUR NATURAL COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE
[00:14:06] NATURAL COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE INCLUDING OUR CLEAN AND RELIABLE
[00:14:09] INCLUDING OUR CLEAN AND RELIABLE ELECTRICITY SYSTEM, AVAILABLE
[00:14:11] ELECTRICITY SYSTEM, AVAILABLE LAND, COOL CLIMATE AND LAND, COOL CLIMATE AND WORLD-CLASS WORK FORCE.
[00:14:14] WORLD-CLASS WORK FORCE. WE WILL ONLY ADVANCE PROJECTS
[00:14:17] WE WILL ONLY ADVANCE PROJECTS THAT STRENGTHEN ONTARIO AND THAT STRENGTHEN ONTARIO AND CANADA'S CONTROL OVER SENSITIVE
[00:14:21] CANADA'S CONTROL OVER SENSITIVE DATA. DATA. >> Reporter: PREMIER FORD SAYS
[00:14:23] >> Reporter: PREMIER FORD SAYS THEY'LL ALSO ONLY INVEST IN THEY'LL ALSO ONLY INVEST IN PROJECTS THAT INVEST BACK IN THE
[00:14:27] PROJECTS THAT INVEST BACK IN THE COMMUNITY, BRING JOBS, ABIDE BY COMMUNITY, BRING JOBS, ABIDE BY ONTARIO'S ENVIRONMENTAL
[00:14:30] ONTARIO'S ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS AND RESPONSIBLE WATER STANDARDS AND RESPONSIBLE WATER USE. USE. THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT FOR THIS
[00:14:34] THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT FOR THIS FRAMEWORK ALSO TALKS ABOUT NOISE
[00:14:36] FRAMEWORK ALSO TALKS ABOUT NOISE REDUCING TECHNOLOGY AND WASTE REDUCING TECHNOLOGY AND WASTE HEAT RECOVERY TO POSSIBLY HEAT
[00:14:40] HEAT RECOVERY TO POSSIBLY HEAT NEARBY BUILDINGS. NEARBY BUILDINGS. THIS WILL GO OUT NOW STARTING
[00:14:42] THIS WILL GO OUT NOW STARTING TODAY FOR A 30 DAY PUBLIC TODAY FOR A 30 DAY PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
[00:14:45] COMMENT PERIOD. IT'S A DIFFERENT TACTIC THAN IN IT'S A DIFFERENT TACTIC THAN IN ALBERTA FOR EXAMPLE WHERE THEY
[00:14:50] ALBERTA FOR EXAMPLE WHERE THEY HAVE A $13 BILLION DATA CENTRE HAVE A $13 BILLION DATA CENTRE SIGNED ON FOR BY META.
[00:14:53] SIGNED ON FOR BY META. THEY ARE ACTIVELY TRYING TO
[00:14:56] THEY ARE ACTIVELY TRYING TO BRING IN INVESTORS AND DATA
[00:14:58] BRING IN INVESTORS AND DATA CENTRE DEVELOPERS COURTING THEM
[00:15:00] CENTRE DEVELOPERS COURTING THEM WITH CHEAPER ELECTRICITY, LOOSER WITH CHEAPER ELECTRICITY, LOOSER ENERGY RULES.
[00:15:03] ENERGY RULES. ALBERTA IS ESSENTIALLY SAYING ALBERTA IS ESSENTIALLY SAYING THE DOOR'S OPEN. THE DOOR'S OPEN. C'MON IN.
[00:15:07] C'MON IN. >> VERY DIFFERENT. >> VERY DIFFERENT. NOW THE MUNICIPALITIES STILL
[00:15:09] NOW THE MUNICIPALITIES STILL HAVE THE POWER TO WEIGH IN OP ON HAVE THE POWER TO WEIGH IN OP ON THIS.
[00:15:13] THIS. HOW ARE THEY REACTING TO THE HOW ARE THEY REACTING TO THE POSSIBILITY OF THE DATA CENTRES?
[00:15:16] POSSIBILITY OF THE DATA CENTRES? >> Reporter: SOME STARTING >> Reporter: SOME STARTING FLEXING THAT PARTY.
[00:15:19] FLEXING THAT PARTY. OAKVILLE HAS BECOME THE FIRST OAKVILLE HAS BECOME THE FIRST MUNICIPALITY IN CANADA TO PUT A
[00:15:22] MUNICIPALITY IN CANADA TO PUT A ONE YEAR MORATORIUM ON THE ONE YEAR MORATORIUM ON THE CREATION OF ANY DATA CENTRES
[00:15:25] CREATION OF ANY DATA CENTRES WITHIN ITS TOWN LIMITS. WITHIN ITS TOWN LIMITS. MISSISSAUGA NEARBY IS EXPECTED
[00:15:29] MISSISSAUGA NEARBY IS EXPECTED TO VOTE ON THAT RELATIVELY SOON. TO VOTE ON THAT RELATIVELY SOON. IN TORONTO, AND WATERLOO REGION,
[00:15:32] IN TORONTO, AND WATERLOO REGION, THEY'VE STOPPED SHORT OF PUTTING THEY'VE STOPPED SHORT OF PUTTING IN A MORATORIUM.
[00:15:35] IN A MORATORIUM. BUT DIRECTED STAFF TO LOOK INTO
[00:15:38] BUT DIRECTED STAFF TO LOOK INTO IT AND POSSIBLY ADVOCATE THE IT AND POSSIBLY ADVOCATE THE PROVINCE FOR A FRAMEWORK LIKE
[00:15:42] PROVINCE FOR A FRAMEWORK LIKE THE ONE THEY'RE SEEING NOW AND
[00:15:43] THE ONE THEY'RE SEEING NOW AND THEN IN HAMILTON, ONTARIO, THERE THEN IN HAMILTON, ONTARIO, THERE WAS A VOTE.
[00:15:47] WAS A VOTE. THERE WAS A LARGE SCALE PROTEST THERE WAS A LARGE SCALE PROTEST BEFORE THAT VOTE.
[00:15:50] BEFORE THAT VOTE. THE COUNCIL CHAMBER WAS PACKED.
[00:15:51] THE COUNCIL CHAMBER WAS PACKED. CITY COUNCIL IN HAMILTON DECIDED
[00:15:55] CITY COUNCIL IN HAMILTON DECIDED TO FOREGO A MORATORIUM.
[00:16:00] TO FOREGO A MORATORIUM. PREMIER FORD SPOKE ON THE PREMIER FORD SPOKE ON THE VARIOUS MUNICIPALITIES AND THEIR
[00:16:04] VARIOUS MUNICIPALITIES AND THEIR STANCES ON THIS AS WELL. STANCES ON THIS AS WELL. >> Premier Doug Ford: IF
[00:16:06] >> Premier Doug Ford: IF SOMEONE SAID, OKAY, YOU'RE NOT
[00:16:10] SOMEONE SAID, OKAY, YOU'RE NOT HAVING A DATA CENTRE BUT AREN'T
[00:16:12] HAVING A DATA CENTRE BUT AREN'T GETTING DATA AND USING SOCIAL
[00:16:14] GETTING DATA AND USING SOCIAL MEDIA, PEOPLE WILL FLIP.
[00:16:16] MEDIA, PEOPLE WILL FLIP. YOU CAN'T HAVE NIMBYISM.
[00:16:20] YOU CAN'T HAVE NIMBYISM. THEY'RE NOT BAD. THEY'RE NOT BAD. THEY'VE COME SO FAR.
[00:16:24] THEY'VE COME SO FAR. THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOOD. THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOOD. REALLY GOOD.
[00:16:27] REALLY GOOD. BUT WE WANT ALL THE BENEFITS, BUT WE WANT ALL THE BENEFITS, BUT WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO
[00:16:31] BUT WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. WITH IT. >> THE PREMIER SAYS THE PROVINCE >> THE PREMIER SAYS THE PROVINCE WILL BE DISCUSSING THIS WITH
[00:16:35] WILL BE DISCUSSING THIS WITH MUNICIPAL LEADERS NEXT WEEK AT MUNICIPAL LEADERS NEXT WEEK AT THE CONFERENCE OF THE
[00:16:37] THE CONFERENCE OF THE ASSOCIATION OF MUNICIPALITIES OF ASSOCIATION OF MUNICIPALITIES OF ONTARIO TO SORT OF GIVE THEM A ONTARIO TO SORT OF GIVE THEM A CLEARER PICTURE.
[00:16:41] CLEARER PICTURE. >> Karina: THANKS, MARK. >> Karina: THANKS, MARK. >> T
[00:16:44] CBC has learned a new Churchill Falls agreement could be
[00:16:47] announced next week from a source with direct knowledge of
[00:16:51] the deal, who is not authorized to speak
[00:16:53] publicly. Sources say the Premier, Tony Wakeham,
[00:16:56] is pleased with the deal that replaces the 2024 agreement.
[00:17:00] CBC has requested an interview with the premier,
[00:17:03] but the request has not been returned. A statement from his
[00:17:07] office says that while negotiations have progressed,
[00:17:10] a final deal has not been signed. Wacom has long spoken
[00:17:13] about not rushing into a deal with
[00:17:16] Quebec, but Liberal Leader John Hogan,
[00:17:18] who calls this the most important deal in the provinces
[00:17:21] history, fears it might have been with
[00:17:24] an election looming in Quebec, QC election,
[00:17:26] as we've been saying all along, will matter if the party Quebec
[00:17:30] where they've already been vocal about the deal today. If
[00:17:34] the party Quebec was elected this fall in Quebec,
[00:17:36] they said that they will cancel this deal. A former public
[00:17:40] servant who has long been critical of the 2024 MOU,
[00:17:43] Ron Penny, doesn't think the province should be celebrating
[00:17:47] with the rumors of a new deal because Quebec polls show there
[00:17:51] will be a government change and the leading party has been
[00:17:54] vocal about not supporting the existing MOU. If they say it's
[00:17:58] not something they're prepared to go along with,
[00:18:01] then the whole thing is dead again. Penny feels there was
[00:18:05] pressure from both sides to finalize the deal quickly.
[00:18:08] Negotiations for a deal resumed in May after an independent
[00:18:12] review deemed the previous announced MSU was not in the
[00:18:16] provinces best long term interest.
[00:18:18] Reports say the rumoured new deal will result in increased
[00:18:22] domestic power and more guaranteed access to
[00:18:26] transmission through Quebec. Despite this information,
[00:18:29] Hogan's heard the deal is similar to the one previously
[00:18:34] announced.
[00:18:36] Will try and say it's quite different,
[00:18:38] but all we've heard so far is that it's very similar. So if a
[00:18:42] new deal is announced next week, Hogan wants it debated in the
[00:18:46] House of Assembly. This is something that NDP Leader Jim
[00:18:50] Dean believes needs to happen. Let's have that fulsome debate
[00:18:53] so that the public can can listen in,
[00:18:56] can ask the questions. While Dean wants to see a debate,
[00:18:59] he is not hopeful it will happen. Another thing that he
[00:19:03] doesn't think will happen is the premier's promise of
[00:19:06] putting the final
[00:19:08] Churchill deal to a referendum. Wacom stated after his 2025
[00:19:11] election win a referendum would occur with any final deal that
[00:19:16] was made. But since taking office,
[00:19:19] Wacom has not stood by the promise saying he must have a
[00:19:23] deal first. I always thought a referendum and the way they way
[00:19:27] the PC trainer was incredibly naive on their part and and ill
[00:19:32] advised. Whether a final deal is coming next week is still up
[00:19:36] in the air, but similar to Newfoundland and
[00:19:40] Labradors, Premier Quebec says
[00:19:42] negotiations have picked up and a deal could be signed in the
[00:19:46] near term. Cameron Kilfoy, CBC News, St. John's.
[00:21:51] OTTAWA. THANKS. THANKS. >>> NOW TO LATEST ON BRITISH >>> NOW TO LATEST ON BRITISH COLUMBIA'S WILDFIRE
[00:21:55] COLUMBIA'S WILDFIRE EMERGENCY. EMERGENCY. PREMIER DAVID EBY SAYS THE
[00:21:58] PREMIER DAVID EBY SAYS THE PROVINCE'S EMERGENCY SER PROVINCE'S EMERGENCY SER SERVICES WERE OVERWHELMED BY
[00:22:01] SERVICES WERE OVERWHELMED BY THE SPEED OF THE BALD RANGE THE SPEED OF THE BALD RANGE WILDFIRE THAT'S BURNING NEAR
[00:22:05] WILDFIRE THAT'S BURNING NEAR THE OKANAGAN COMMUNITY OF THE OKANAGAN COMMUNITY OF SUMMERLAND. SUMMERLAND. EBY HAS PROMISED A REVIEW OF
[00:22:09] EBY HAS PROMISED A REVIEW OF THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TO THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TO DETERMINE WHAT IMPROVEMENTS
[00:22:12] DETERMINE WHAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY. ARE NECESSARY. THAT INCLUDES THE NEED FOR
[00:22:15] THAT INCLUDES THE NEED FOR ALTERNATIVE ROUTES TO ALTERNATIVE ROUTES TO HIGHWAY 97.
[00:22:17] HIGHWAY 97. THAT ROAD IS THE ONLY DIRECT THAT ROAD IS THE ONLY DIRECT PAVED NORTH-SOUTH ROUTE
[00:22:20] PAVED NORTH-SOUTH ROUTE THROUGH THE OKANAGAN VALLEY. THROUGH THE OKANAGAN VALLEY. BUT HAS BEEN CLOSED, DUE TO
[00:22:24] BUT HAS BEEN CLOSED, DUE TO THE BALD RANGE FIRE. THE BALD RANGE FIRE. >>> SO FOR MORE ON THIS
[00:22:27] >>> SO FOR MORE ON THIS STOREY, LET'S GO NOW TO STOREY, LET'S GO NOW TO VANCOUVER AND BRING IN THE
[00:22:30] VANCOUVER AND BRING IN THE CBC'S MICHELLE ALLEN. CBC'S MICHELLE ALLEN. MICHELLE, PREMIER EBY IS
[00:22:33] MICHELLE, PREMIER EBY IS PROMISEING THAT REVIEW OF PROMISEING THAT REVIEW OF BOTH FIRE ASSESSMENT AND
[00:22:36] BOTH FIRE ASSESSMENT AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE. EMERGENCY RESPONSE. WHAT IS THE REASONING HERE?
[00:22:39] WHAT IS THE REASONING HERE? >> Reporter: WELL, AARTI, >> Reporter: WELL, AARTI, THIS BALD RANGE WILDFIRE IS
[00:22:43] THIS BALD RANGE WILDFIRE IS ONE OF THE MOST VOLATILE ONE OF THE MOST VOLATILE WILDFIRES B.C. HAS EVER WILDFIRES B.C. HAS EVER FACED.
[00:22:47] FACED. RAN ALL THE WILDFIRE SERVICE RAN ALL THE WILDFIRE SERVICE MODELS THAT MEANT TO PREDICT
[00:22:50] MODELS THAT MEANT TO PREDICT HOW FAST FIRES GROW AND HOW FAST FIRES GROW AND SPREAD. SPREAD. THIS MEANT THERE WASN'T ANY
[00:22:53] THIS MEANT THERE WASN'T ANY TIME TO ISSUE EVACUATION TIME TO ISSUE EVACUATION ALERTS.
[00:22:55] ALERTS. EBY SAID THERE WAS A HUGE DEMAND FOR SERVICE THAT'S WERE JUST NOT READY FOR A
[00:22:59] WERE JUST NOT READY FOR A DISASTER OF THIS SCALE. DISASTER OF THIS SCALE. THAT'S WHY EBY'S PROMISES
[00:23:02] THAT'S WHY EBY'S PROMISES AFTER-ACTION REVIEW INTO THE AFTER-ACTION REVIEW INTO THE BALD RANGE FIRE RESPONSE.
[00:23:05] BALD RANGE FIRE RESPONSE. ALL AGENCIES INVOLVED WOULD ALL AGENCIES INVOLVED WOULD MEET TO DISCUSS WHAT MEET TO DISCUSS WHAT HAPPENED IN WAYS THEY COULD
[00:23:09] HAPPENED IN WAYS THEY COULD IMPROVE IN THE FUTURE. IMPROVE IN THE FUTURE. >> THERE'S AN IMPORTANT SET
[00:23:12] >> THERE'S AN IMPORTANT SET OF LESSONS FOR US TO TAKE
[00:23:14] ABOUT HOW QUICKLY THIS MOVED, AND THIS MAY BE OUR
[00:23:16] MOVED, AND THIS MAY BE OUR NEW NORMAL FOR FIRE SPEED,
[00:23:19] NEW NORMAL FOR FIRE SPEED, AND THAT CRUCIAL PIECE WORK AND THAT CRUCIAL PIECE WORK THAT WE HAVE TO DO IS AN
[00:23:23] THAT WE HAVE TO DO IS AN AFTER-ACTION REVIEW, WHICH
[00:23:24] AFTER-ACTION REVIEW, WHICH WE WILL DO TO DETERMINE HOW
[00:23:28] WE WILL DO TO DETERMINE HOW WE CAN BE AS PREPARED AS WE CAN BE AS PREPARED AS POSSIBLE TO ENSURE THE
[00:23:31] POSSIBLE TO ENSURE THE SUPPORTS ARE THERE. SUPPORTS ARE THERE. >> Reporter: ALL THAT BEING
[00:23:34] >> Reporter: ALL THAT BEING SAID, EBY SAID HE'S BEEN SAID, EBY SAID HE'S BEEN IMPRESSED BY RESPONSE, IMPRESSED BY RESPONSE, CONSIDERING HOW FAST THE
[00:23:38] CONSIDERING HOW FAST THE FIRE MOVED AND HOW LITTLE FIRE MOVED AND HOW LITTLE TIME AUTHORITIES.
[00:23:41] TIME AUTHORITIES. THESE ARE SMALL COMMUNITIES THESE ARE SMALL COMMUNITIES THAT AREN'T BUILD TO MANAGE
[00:23:44] THAT AREN'T BUILD TO MANAGE THOUSANDS OF EVACUEES ON THOUSANDS OF EVACUEES ON SHORT NOTICE LIKE THIS.
[00:23:47] SHORT NOTICE LIKE THIS. HE SAID THE VOLUNTEERS, HE SAID THE VOLUNTEERS, EMERGENCY PERSONNEL AND
[00:23:50] EMERGENCY PERSONNEL AND LOCAL LEADERS HAVE DONE AN LOCAL LEADERS HAVE DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB RESPONDING TO INCREDIBLE JOB RESPONDING TO THIS CRISIS.
[00:23:54] THIS CRISIS. WE ALSO HEARD FROM CHIEF WE ALSO HEARD FROM CHIEF GREG GABRIEL OF THE GREG GABRIEL OF THE PENTICTON INDIAN BAND
[00:23:58] PENTICTON INDIAN BAND YESTERDAY. YESTERDAY. HE SAID WE NEED TO DO MORE
[00:24:01] HE SAID WE NEED TO DO MORE THAN JUST RESPONSE TO THE THAN JUST RESPONSE TO THE FIRE.
[00:24:05] FIRE. HE'S CALLING FOR ACTION ON HE'S CALLING FOR ACTION ON WHY WILDFIRESET WORSE AND
[00:24:08] WHY WILDFIRESET WORSE AND WORSE AND MORE DESTRUCTIVE WORSE AND MORE DESTRUCTIVE EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
[00:24:11] EVERY SINGLE YEAR. HERE'S WHAT GABRIEL TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT GABRIEL TO SAY, SOLUTIONS.
[00:24:14] SOLUTIONS. >> THESE WEATHER EVENTS NOT >> THESE WEATHER EVENTS NOT A NATURAL PHENOMENON.
[00:24:17] A NATURAL PHENOMENON. EACH AND EVERY YEAR, WE DEAL
[00:24:19] EACH AND EVERY YEAR, WE DEAL WITH SAME SITUATION, LIKE WITH SAME SITUATION, LIKE WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY
[00:24:23] WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY PROGRESS TRYING TO FIX THESE
[00:24:27] PROGRESS TRYING TO FIX THESE PROBLEMS. PROBLEMS. I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE
[00:24:29] I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE USE OUR VOICES TO GET THE
[00:24:33] USE OUR VOICES TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT AND START COMING MESSAGE OUT AND START COMING TOGETHER, AND START LOOKING
[00:24:37] TOGETHER, AND START LOOKING AT WAYS WE CAN WORK TOGETHER
[00:24:39] AT WAYS WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO FIX PROBLEMS.
[00:24:42] TO FIX PROBLEMS. FIRST NATIONS NEED TO BE FIRST NATIONS NEED TO BE PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS
[00:24:44] PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS INTO CHIEF GABRIEL CALLED INTO CHIEF GABRIEL CALLED FOR MORE SCRUTINY TO
[00:24:47] FOR MORE SCRUTINY TO INDUSTRIES THAT COULD BE INDUSTRIES THAT COULD BE INCREASING THE RISK AND INCREASING THE RISK AND SEVERITY OF FIRES.
[00:24:51] SEVERITY OF FIRES. HE SAYS WE CAN'T AFFORD NOT
[00:24:53] HE SAYS WE CAN'T AFFORD NOT TO CHANGE, BUT SOMETIMES HE
[00:24:56] TO CHANGE, BUT SOMETIMES HE THINKS IT MAY ALREADY BE TOO THINKS IT MAY ALREADY BE TOO LATE. LATE. >> Aarti: OF COURSE, ONE
[00:25:00] >> Aarti: OF COURSE, ONE PART OF THE STOREY IS THE PART OF THE STOREY IS THE LESSONS BEING LEARNED, AS LESSONS BEING LEARNED, AS THIS STOREY CONTINUES TO
[00:25:04] THIS STOREY CONTINUES TO DEVELOP. DEVELOP. BUT WE'VE ALSO HEARD FROM SO BUT WE'VE ALSO HEARD FROM SO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING
[00:25:08] MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN THESE AREAS THAT HAVE HAD IN THESE AREAS THAT HAVE HAD TO WATCH THAT DEVASTATION TO WATCH THAT DEVASTATION UNFOLD AS IMPACTS THEIR
[00:25:11] UNFOLD AS IMPACTS THEIR HOMES. HOMES. WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT DAMAGE WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT DAMAGE ASSESSMENTS HAPPENING, FOR
[00:25:15] ASSESSMENTS HAPPENING, FOR EXAMPLE, IN COMMUNITIES LIKE EXAMPLE, IN COMMUNITIES LIKE SUMMERLAND? SUMMERLAND? >> Reporter: WELL, WE KNOW
[00:25:19] >> Reporter: WELL, WE KNOW THAT THE IRE HAS DESTROYED THAT THE IRE HAS DESTROYED MULTIPLE HOMES -- FIRE HAS
[00:25:22] MULTIPLE HOMES -- FIRE HAS DESTROYED MULTIPLE HOMES, DESTROYED MULTIPLE HOMES, BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY.
[00:25:25] BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY. THEY ARE STILL TAKING STOCK THEY ARE STILL TAKING STOCK OF ALL THE LOSSES. OF ALL THE LOSSES. THE PROVINCE IS CALLING IN
[00:25:28] THE PROVINCE IS CALLING IN THE HEAVY URBAN THE HEAVY URBAN SEARCH-AND-RESCUE, WHICH IS SEARCH-AND-RESCUE, WHICH IS A SPECIALIZED DISASTER
[00:25:32] A SPECIALIZED DISASTER RESPONSE TEAM, WHO WILL BE RESPONSE TEAM, WHO WILL BE DOING ASSESS HMTS SU
[00:25:35] DOING ASSESS HMTS SU SUMMERLAND. SUMMERLAND. THEY WILL BE NOTIFYING THEY WILL BE NOTIFYING PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR HOMES
[00:25:39] PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR HOMES DIRECTLY. DIRECTLY. WHILE MANY ANXIOUS TO FIND WHILE MANY ANXIOUS TO FIND OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE,
[00:25:43] OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT KELLY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT KELLY GREENE SAYS THEY WANT TO
[00:25:45] GREENE SAYS THEY WANT TO HANDLE THIS IN A SENSITIVE HANDLE THIS IN A SENSITIVE WAY.
[00:25:48] WAY. >> THE LAST THING I WOULD >> THE LAST THING I WOULD WANT IS TO HAVE SOMEBODY WANT IS TO HAVE SOMEBODY FINDING OUT THE SHOCK ON
[00:25:52] FINDING OUT THE SHOCK ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR TELEVISION SOCIAL MEDIA OR TELEVISION ABOUT THEIR HOME BEING LOST.
[00:25:55] ABOUT THEIR HOME BEING LOST. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WE ARE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WE ARE ABLE TO CONNECT DIRECTLY ABLE TO CONNECT DIRECTLY WITH PEOPLE ABOUT THE
[00:25:59] WITH PEOPLE ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THEIR HOMES. CONDITION OF THEIR HOMES. THAT WORK IS ONGOING, AND AS
[00:26:02] THAT WORK IS ONGOING, AND AS SOON AS WE'RE ABLE, WE WILL SOON AS WE'RE ABLE, WE WILL GET THAT INFORMATION TO
[00:26:05] GET THAT INFORMATION TO PEOPLE. PEOPLE. >> Reporter: EMERGENCY >> Reporter: EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTRE DIRECTORS
[00:26:09] OPERATION CENTRE DIRECTORS SAY WE'RE STILL A WAYS AWAY SAY WE'RE STILL A WAYS AWAY FROM PEOPLE FROM PEOPLE
[00:26:13] FROM PEOPLE FROM PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO RETURN BEING ABLE TO RETURN SUMMERLAND.
[00:26:15] SUMMERLAND. DEBRIS NEEDS TO BE CLEARED DEBRIS NEEDS TO BE CLEARED AND ENERGY NEEDS TO BE AND ENERGY NEEDS TO BE RESTORED.
[00:26:19] RESTORED. IN TERMS OF THE WOMAN WHO IN TERMS OF THE WOMAN WHO DIED WHILE TRYING TO FLEE
[00:26:22] DIED WHILE TRYING TO FLEE THE FIRE, THE RCMP SAY THEY THE FIRE, THE RCMP SAY THEY ARE INVESTIGATING THE ARE INVESTIGATING THE CIRCUMSTANCES AROUND HER
[00:26:26] CIRCUMSTANCES AROUND HER DEATH. DEATH. SINCE THE INVESTIGATION IS SINCE THE INVESTIGATION IS STILL IN VERY EARLY STAGES,
[00:26:30] STILL IN VERY EARLY STAGES, BUT OFFICER IN CHARGE OF THE BUT OFFICER IN CHARGE OF THE PENTICTON RCMP SAY POLICE
[00:26:32] PENTICTON RCMP SAY POLICE ARE PROGRESSING AND PUSHING ARE PROGRESSING AND PUSHING FORWARD TO GET ANSWERS FOR FORWARD TO GET ANSWERS FOR HER FAMILY.
[00:26:37] Wildfires are burning across BC and homes have been destroyed.
[00:26:41] So what do you do if you found out you've lost everything?
[00:26:44] The first step would be to contact your insurance company
[00:26:48] and get that process started. Experts say if you have home
[00:26:51] insurance, you're likely covered for
[00:26:53] wildfire damage and will be reimbursed for living expenses.
[00:26:57] Things like hotel rooms, things like food where you're
[00:27:00] forced outside your home, things like a rental car if you
[00:27:03] don't have access to your vehicle, taxis,
[00:27:06] things like that, clothing, household items.
[00:27:08] But the process to rebuild can be a long one. It's multiple
[00:27:12] steps and it's a real exercise in patience. But it took two
[00:27:15] years for Antique Goyer to rebuild from the McDougall
[00:27:18] Creek wildfire near West Kelowna in 2023. Before the
[00:27:21] fire hit, she and her husband videotaped
[00:27:24] the layouts and contents of their entire house,
[00:27:27] a key step that helped document their losses with the insurance
[00:27:30] company. We were able to go through each room and then
[00:27:34] freeze the video and write down all the things that we saw and,
[00:27:37] and it it's an endless process. But without the videos, you're,
[00:27:41] you're relying on memories. For people like de Goyer,
[00:27:44] insurance covered nearly everything except for things
[00:27:46] like utilities, which she says she would have
[00:27:49] paid for anyway if her house didn't burn down. But what if
[00:27:52] you don't have insurance? When you come home and there's
[00:27:55] nothing left standing and everything is leveled,
[00:27:57] you don't know where to start. In 2021,
[00:28:00] Litton and the surrounding areas were devastated,
[00:28:02] flames destroying almost everything,
[00:28:04] including the home of Trisha Thorpe. We did not have
[00:28:07] insurance. We were outside of Fire Protection
[00:28:09] and we had wood heat. My situation is actually not
[00:28:13] unique across this province. Many in the community couldn't
[00:28:17] afford insurance or didn't qualify Thorpe relying on
[00:28:20] charities, nonprofit organizations and
[00:28:23] others to rebuild. We had a lot of help from community,
[00:28:27] from friends, from my family, or we never would have been
[00:28:31] able to do it. The the resources aren't there for
[00:28:34] people who lose their homes, at least not from a government
[00:28:38] perspective. In my opinion.
[00:28:40] Macy's Emergency Support Services program provides short
[00:28:43] term help. People can access food, clothing and shelter,
[00:28:46] but when it comes to long term recovery,
[00:28:48] that support differs on the event and eventually can run
[00:28:51] out. It is something that all of us need to spend a few
[00:28:54] minutes every year just to make sure we have the financial
[00:28:57] protection in place for our family and for what is likely
[00:29:00] the biggest financial asset we own,
[00:29:02] which is our home. With officials still assessing
[00:29:05] damage and wildfire season not over yet,
[00:29:07] experts are reminding everyone to review their coverage and plan head.
[00:29:24] Another brutal summer for wildfires and a growing
[00:29:27] shortage of a key tool can add air. Water bombers manufactured
[00:29:31] in Canada. We are under pressure. We know that this is
[00:29:35] a very important aircraft. For consecutive summers,
[00:29:38] politicians lament the lack of water bombers. We could use
[00:29:42] every water bomber we can get our hands on. One solution is a
[00:29:46] second production line, which is possible with federal
[00:29:49] government support, a move that could create a
[00:29:52] national fleet of firefighting aircraft.
[00:29:55] The world is burning up.
[00:29:57] We need equipment to be able to fight those fires and fight
[00:30:00] those fires effectively.
[00:30:06] The iconic yellow and red water bombers,
[00:30:09] nicknamed the Super Scooper, are prominent in the
[00:30:12] firefighting battle in Europe, the large Canadian amphibious
[00:30:16] aircraft repeatedly swooping down to fill up before dropping
[00:30:20] it all to douse flames, sometimes operating as a
[00:30:24] squadron to magnify their impact.
[00:30:27] You marry them, this French resident saying. I
[00:30:30] saw the flames coming, I saw the can add air. So I
[00:30:33] think it's thanks to them and surely the firefighters too.
[00:30:36] All the houses in the community were saved.
[00:30:42] This Spanish pilot describing the high winds and very strong
[00:30:46] turbulence, but the Canadair is
[00:30:48] specifically designed to fly in these conditions.
[00:30:51] At the same time, these extraordinary fires in
[00:30:55] France, Spain and Greece, sparking backlash over a
[00:30:58] shortage of the aircraft's new water bombers,
[00:31:01] were ordered in 2022. But the wait continues,
[00:31:06] these planes at the centre of the burning heat on political
[00:31:10] leaders for being unprepared to tackle the extreme summer
[00:31:13] weather. A world on fire and everyone looking for new planes.
[00:31:17] Right now we're stuck in a situation where the demand is
[00:31:20] huge because when the world is looking for more water bombers,
[00:31:24] newer water bombers, and we're not ready. Every
[00:31:27] continent on the earth, from Australia to Europe,
[00:31:30] Canada water bombers have proven their effectiveness over
[00:31:33] the last 60 years.
[00:31:36] The original design dates back to the 1960s,
[00:31:39] becoming a workhorse for fighting wildfires in Canada
[00:31:43] and Europe. About 160 of the aircraft are still operating.
[00:31:47] Experts say the world could use hundreds of new water bombers
[00:31:52] to expand their firefighting power and to replace aging
[00:31:56] fleets.
[00:31:59] What the world wants is being assembled in northeast Calgary.
[00:32:04] For decades, Bombardier built the aircraft
[00:32:07] but stopped in 2015 as demand slowed. Calgary based Haviland
[00:32:11] now owns the water bomber program and began the rare step
[00:32:14] of resurrecting and modernizing production. Four years ago.
[00:32:20] The 1st 2 aircraft of the revived Canadair Water bomber
[00:32:24] beginning to take shape. The wings,
[00:32:26] nose and cockpit on schedule to be complete in early 2028. This
[00:32:30] is a very hands-on hand built aircraft,
[00:32:33] always has been and it always will be. Start over here that
[00:32:37] take as many photos as you want. There is an immense amount of
[00:32:41] pride as executive Neil Sweeney shows off the production line.
[00:32:45] Yeah, so this is so this is the
[00:32:48] inside of the wing. Canadian history,
[00:32:50] technology and manufacturing,
[00:32:52] they're part of the Canadair story. So we make about 80% of
[00:32:56] the parts for this aircraft, and here in Canada it's about
[00:33:00] 80% Canadian content. The world wants it badly. That's why the
[00:33:04] pride is also mixed with stress and scrutiny to deliver as
[00:33:07] communities are destroyed with each passing summer. We are
[00:33:11] under pressure. We know that this is a very important
[00:33:15] aircraft, not only for Canada but for the
[00:33:17] world. We take our responsibility to our customers
[00:33:21] and the people they serve very seriously. Thank you very much.
[00:33:26] Canadian premiers are also waiting. Alberta,
[00:33:29] Ontario and Manitoba all have the water bombers on order
[00:33:32] already. A few years of waiting and several more years until
[00:33:39] translating into more firm orders. Any new order today
[00:33:43] would only be delivered about 6 years from now at the earliest.
[00:33:47] Without those firm orders though,
[00:33:49] the company is reluctant to make the investments and hiring
[00:33:53] to ramp up production. That's why Albertus Premieres pitching
[00:33:57] to Place a big
[00:33:58] murder to give enough guaranteed work for Dehaviland
[00:34:01] to build a second production line. Danielle Smith is urging
[00:34:05] her provincial counterparts to partner with Ottawa so the
[00:34:08] federal government can step up to Haviland has 38 orders
[00:34:11] already and is planning to produce about 10 aircraft per
[00:34:15] year, the company has told Ottawa
[00:34:17] Directly. Manufacturing can double if a big order is made,
[00:34:20] something they'd have to consider. But if we had an
[00:34:23] order of 50 from Canada as an example,
[00:34:26] we would build a second line tomorrow.
[00:34:29] It wouldn't be cheap for the price tag for each aircraft,
[00:34:33] an estimated $80 million.
[00:34:39] How many water bombers Canada needs is an open question.
[00:34:46] For this summer, Ottawa leased 10 airplanes and
[00:34:50] helicopters for provinces and territories to use in fighting
[00:34:54] fires. They are in high demand. There definitely have been
[00:34:58] situations where we've had to triage requests that come
[00:35:02] through when there's competing requests coming in. Planes are
[00:35:07] effective in slowing the spread of wildfires,
[00:35:10] creating perimeters and reducing heat to help ground
[00:35:14] crews. Their effectiveness can be hindered by smoke
[00:35:18] in certain terrain. They're not the silver bullet to
[00:35:22] firefighting. So
[00:35:24] while planes are the sexy part of firefighting,
[00:35:28] there's a lot of other things that we need to consider with
[00:35:33] the ongoing threat that we're seeing from wildfires today,
[00:35:39] the federal government is considering whether to launch a
[00:35:43] national fleet of modern firefighting aircraft. It's one
[00:35:46] of the recommendations from a Senate report released in June.
[00:35:50] For now, the federal government says
[00:35:52] it's in close contact with the provinces and territories to
[00:35:55] coordinate efforts and identify the best ways to support one
[00:35:58] another in the face of the growing impacts of wildfires.
[00:36:05] If production at Dehaviland does not take off to meet
[00:36:08] growing demand, there is a risk foreign
[00:36:10] companies or countries could develop their own rival
[00:36:13] firefighting aircraft. Whether it's China, whether it's Russia,
[00:36:17] whether it's France, whether it's the UK,
[00:36:19] whether it's Greece, whoever they're going to,
[00:36:22] they're going to come out and they're going to move fast and
[00:36:25] furious.
[00:36:29] The warning comes at a time when the federal government
[00:36:32] wants to improve the national economy and bolster domestic
[00:36:36] manufacturing. For to havlin, that risk is real. We're always
[00:36:39] watching what our competitors are doing. We have the best
[00:36:43] aircraft, we have the best scooping
[00:36:45] aircraft in the world, bar none. We've had it for 60
[00:36:48] years, but having it for another 60
[00:36:50] years is not guaranteed. For now, as wildfires rage,
[00:36:53] the pressure continues to build on the company and the
[00:36:57] political leaders desperate for new super scoopers to arrive.
[00:39:03] REDACTED INFORMATION TO BE MADE PUBLIC. PUBLIC. >> THE ISRAELI MILITARY IS
[00:39:07] >> THE ISRAELI MILITARY IS MOVING IN ON THE OCCUPIED WEST
[00:39:09] MOVING IN ON THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK THIS MORNING AS THE JEWISH
[00:39:12] BANK THIS MORNING AS THE JEWISH SETTLER SIEGE OF PALESTINIAN
[00:39:15] SETTLER SIEGE OF PALESTINIAN HOMES REACHES ANOTHER FLASH
[00:39:19] HOMES REACHES ANOTHER FLASH POINT. POINT. >>> THIS IS SECURITY FOOTAGE
[00:39:21] >>> THIS IS SECURITY FOOTAGE SHOWING A RARE CONFRONTATION
[00:39:23] SHOWING A RARE CONFRONTATION BETWEEN THE IDF AND ISRAELI
[00:39:27] BETWEEN THE IDF AND ISRAELI SETTLERS TAKEN HOURS BEFORE SETTLERS TAKEN HOURS BEFORE ISRAEL DEPLOYED MORE TROOPS TO
[00:39:31] ISRAEL DEPLOYED MORE TROOPS TO THE WEST BANK AFTER FAILING TO THE WEST BANK AFTER FAILING TO FORCE AWAY SETTLERS.
[00:39:34] FORCE AWAY SETTLERS. >> LET'S BRING IN JULIA CHAPMAN
[00:39:38] >> LET'S BRING IN JULIA CHAPMAN IN LONDON. IN LONDON. WHAT IS THE ISRAELI MILITARY
[00:39:41] WHAT IS THE ISRAELI MILITARY DOING IN THE WEST BANK TODAY? DOING IN THE WEST BANK TODAY? >> Reporter: ISRAELI DEFENCE
[00:39:45] >> Reporter: ISRAELI DEFENCE FORCES HAVE CONFIRMs TO CBC NEWS FORCES HAVE CONFIRMs TO CBC NEWS THEY ARE SENDING IN MORE TROOPS
[00:39:48] THEY ARE SENDING IN MORE TROOPS TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION IN
[00:39:51] TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION IN AND AROUND THE VILLAGE.
[00:39:54] AND AROUND THE VILLAGE. PALESTINIAN FAMILIES DESCRIBE PALESTINIAN FAMILIES DESCRIBE BEING TRAPPED IN THEIR HOMES
[00:39:58] BEING TRAPPED IN THEIR HOMES AFTER ISRAELI SETTLERS ARRIVED
[00:40:00] AFTER ISRAELI SETTLERS ARRIVED ON SUNDAY SETTING UP TENTS AND
[00:40:03] ON SUNDAY SETTING UP TENTS AND BLOCKADING ENTRANCES. BLOCKADING ENTRANCES. ONE RESIDENT TOLD THE REUTERS
[00:40:07] ONE RESIDENT TOLD THE REUTERS NEWS AGENCY THAT THE SETTLERS
[00:40:09] NEWS AGENCY THAT THE SETTLERS ATTACKED HER HOME AND CUT IT OFF
[00:40:12] ATTACKED HER HOME AND CUT IT OFF FROM WATER AND ELECTRICITY. FROM WATER AND ELECTRICITY. BBC AND THE GUARDIAN HAVE
[00:40:15] BBC AND THE GUARDIAN HAVE REPORTED THE FAMILIES ARE
[00:40:17] REPORTED THE FAMILIES ARE RUNNING OUT OF FOOD SUPPLIES.
[00:40:20] RUNNING OUT OF FOOD SUPPLIES. THE ISRAELI MILITARY HAS SENT IN
[00:40:24] THE ISRAELI MILITARY HAS SENT IN TROOPS TO BRING THE SITUATION
[00:40:27] TROOPS TO BRING THE SITUATION UNDER CONTROL.
[00:40:30] UNDER CONTROL. YESTERDAY, THERE WERE CLASHES YESTERDAY, THERE WERE CLASHES BETWEEN THEM WITH SOLDIERS USING
[00:40:34] BETWEEN THEM WITH SOLDIERS USING TEAR GAS TO DISPERSE THE TEAR GAS TO DISPERSE THE SETTLERS.
[00:40:37] SETTLERS. BUT THE SETTLERS HAVEN'T LEFT.
[00:40:39] BUT THE SETTLERS HAVEN'T LEFT. AND TODAY THE IDF SAYS ONE
[00:40:41] AND TODAY THE IDF SAYS ONE ISRAELI HAS BEEN ARRESTED AND
[00:40:44] ISRAELI HAS BEEN ARRESTED AND SOME ILLEGAL OUTPOSTS HAVE BEEN
[00:40:48] SOME ILLEGAL OUTPOSTS HAVE BEEN DISMANTLED.
[00:40:49] DISMANTLED. THE IDF SOLDIERS OF THE 51st BA
[00:40:55] THE IDF SOLDIERS OF THE 51st BA TAALIAN A-- BATTALION ARRIVED TO
[00:40:59] TAALIAN A-- BATTALION ARRIVED TO THE AREA.
[00:41:01] THE AREA. U.S. AMBASSADOR TOLL ISRAEL MIKE
[00:41:04] U.S. AMBASSADOR TOLL ISRAEL MIKE HUCKABEE CALLING THE SETTLERS
[00:41:08] HUCKABEE CALLING THE SETTLERS TERRORISTS. TERRORISTS. IT'S UNUSUAL TO HEAR HIM
[00:41:12] DEFENDING PALESTINIANS, WHICH I THINK UNDERLINES JUST HOW THINK UNDERLINES JUST HOW SERIOUS THE SITUATION IN THE
[00:41:16] SERIOUS THE SITUATION IN THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK HAS BECOME.
[00:41:18] OCCUPIED WEST BANK HAS BECOME. >> WE ARE LOOKING AT DAY 5 OF
[00:41:21] >> WE ARE LOOKING AT DAY 5 OF THIS PARTICULAR SETTLER SIEGE. THIS PARTICULAR SETTLER SIEGE. THE VIOLENCE IN THE WEST BANK
[00:41:24] THE VIOLENCE IN THE WEST BANK REGARDING SETTLERS DIDN'T BEGIN
[00:41:26] REGARDING SETTLERS DIDN'T BEGIN JUST ON SUNDAY, OF COURSE.
[00:41:29] JUST ON SUNDAY, OF COURSE. GIVE US SOME CONTEXT ON THIS.
[00:41:32] GIVE US SOME CONTEXT ON THIS. >> ISRAELI SETTLEMENTS IN THE >> ISRAELI SETTLEMENTS IN THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK ARE ILLEGAL
[00:41:35] OCCUPIED WEST BANK ARE ILLEGAL UNDER THE INTERNATIONAL LAW. UNDER THE INTERNATIONAL LAW. THEY ARE GROWING IN NUMBER.
[00:41:38] THEY ARE GROWING IN NUMBER. THE UNITED NATIONS SAYS VIOLENCE THE UNITED NATIONS SAYS VIOLENCE AGAINST PALESTINIANS IS RISING.
[00:41:42] AGAINST PALESTINIANS IS RISING. THE SITUATION WAS DISCUSSED AT THE SITUATION WAS DISCUSSED AT THE U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL
[00:41:46] THE U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL EARLIER THIS WEEK WHERE DEPUTY
[00:41:48] EARLIER THIS WEEK WHERE DEPUTY SPECIAL COORDINATOR GAVE HIS
[00:41:52] SPECIAL COORDINATOR GAVE HIS ASSESSMENT.
[00:41:53] ASSESSMENT. >> FRAGILE CEASE-FIRE IN GAZA
[00:41:56] >> FRAGILE CEASE-FIRE IN GAZA AND REGIONAL INTENTIONS CAN
[00:41:58] AND REGIONAL INTENTIONS CAN CONSUME MUCH OF THE
[00:42:01] CONSUME MUCH OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY'S INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY'S CONCESSION.
[00:42:04] CONCESSION. THIS HAS NOT BEEN A SUDDEN THIS HAS NOT BEEN A SUDDEN DETERIORATION.
[00:42:07] DETERIORATION. THERE IS ALSO THE DECADE OF
[00:42:09] THERE IS ALSO THE DECADE OF UNRESOLVED CONFLICT THAT HAS
[00:42:12] UNRESOLVED CONFLICT THAT HAS DEEPENED THE UNLAWFUL ISRAELI
[00:42:16] DEEPENED THE UNLAWFUL ISRAELI OCCUPATION.
[00:42:21] OCCUPATION. >> THE ISRAELI AMBASSADOR TO THE
[00:42:23] >> THE ISRAELI AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N. SAYS CRITICISM OF ISRAELI
[00:42:25] U.N. SAYS CRITICISM OF ISRAELI ACTION FAILS TO ACKNOWLEDGE ACTION FAILS TO ACKNOWLEDGE ATTACKS AGAINST ISRAELIS.
[00:42:29] ATTACKS AGAINST ISRAELIS. WHILE ISRAELI LEADERS CONDEMN WHILE ISRAELI LEADERS CONDEMN EXTREMIST VIOLENCE, THERE ARE
[00:42:33] EXTREMIST VIOLENCE, THERE ARE FAR RIGHT FIGURES IN THE FAR RIGHT FIGURES IN THE GOVERNMENT ACTIVELY ENCOURAGING
[00:42:37] GOVERNMENT ACTIVELY ENCOURAGING THE DEVELOPMENT OF SETTLEMENTS. THE DEVELOPMENT OF SETTLEMENTS. LAST MONTH AFTER FOUR
[00:42:41] LAST MONTH AFTER FOUR PALESTINIANS AND TWO ISRAELIS PALESTINIANS AND TWO ISRAELIS WERE KILLED IN CLASHES IN THE
[00:42:44] WERE KILLED IN CLASHES IN THE WEST BANK. WEST BANK. BENJAMIN NETANYAHU VOWED TO
[00:42:48] BENJAMIN NETANYAHU VOWED TO ACCELERATE OF OUTPOSTS IN THE ACCELERATE OF OUTPOSTS IN THE WEST BANK.
[00:42:51] WEST BANK. PALESTINIANS ACCUSE THE ISRAELI PALESTINIANS ACCUSE THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT OF DISCRETING
[00:42:54] GOVERNMENT OF DISCRETING ALLOWING SETTLEMENTS AND NOT
[00:42:57] ALLOWING SETTLEMENTS AND NOT ENOUGH IS DONE FOR THE
[00:43:01] Well, immigration enforcement agents
[00:43:03] in the US may soon get be getting high tech gloves
[00:43:06] designed to deliver electrical shocks to people they're trying
[00:43:10] to detain. The plan is to spend between 10 and $20 million to
[00:43:14] purchase these devices and it's generating a lot of controversy.
[00:43:17] The ABC's Chris Reyes is in New York. She's tracking this story
[00:43:21] for us and joins us live. Hey, Chris,
[00:43:24] Let's begin with what exactly these devices look like and
[00:43:27] what ICE agents could use them for.
[00:43:31] Yeah, let me tell you all about it.
[00:43:33] Good morning, Arthur. So the glove is
[00:43:36] literally called GLOVE, which is actually an acronym
[00:43:39] that stands for Generated Low Output Voltage Emitter. And you
[00:43:43] wear these devices like you would a glove. It activates on
[00:43:47] skin only and emits about 30 electrical pulses per second.
[00:43:51] And the claim by the company that makes them is that it
[00:43:54] causes no injuries and that they've never had a lawsuit.
[00:43:58] And it simply creates enough of a shock for the person
[00:44:02] touched by it to fall to the ground. The advantage of this,
[00:44:05] according to the company and some law enforcement agencies
[00:44:09] using it, is that it gives officers an
[00:44:11] alternative tool before resorting to a weapon. So
[00:44:14] here's what one retired FBI agent said about it.
[00:44:18] I think it is a useful tool from the beginning of when you
[00:44:21] start law enforcement training, you learn about the force
[00:44:24] continuum. And any agent, law enforcement officer
[00:44:27] carrying out an operation wants to use the least force possible
[00:44:30] to do what they want to do, which is, you know,
[00:44:33] conduct that arrest safely. So there are different tools that
[00:44:36] you have along the way, you know, from verbal commands,
[00:44:39] soft physical controls, hard physical control,
[00:44:41] less lethal all the way up to deadly force.
[00:44:46] And the cost of these gloves, are they,
[00:44:49] as you mentioned already, 10 to $20 million for thousands
[00:44:52] of units if the Department of Homeland Security goes ahead
[00:44:56] with the order that it posted online earlier this week. We've
[00:44:59] mentioned that it is quite controversial. What kind of
[00:45:03] concerns do these electric shock gloves raise?
[00:45:07] What? To begin with, earthy tensions, as you know,
[00:45:10] as we've been reporting, between ICE agents and the
[00:45:13] communities that they patrol are perhaps at the highest
[00:45:17] level it's ever been since this agency was first created back
[00:45:20] in 2003 under President George W Bush post 911,
[00:45:23] when a bunch of different agencies relating to national
[00:45:27] security in the US consolidated to form the Department of
[00:45:30] Homeland Security. And even back then,
[00:45:32] it had many critics worried that this massive,
[00:45:35] powerful agency would trample civil liberties,
[00:45:38] that it's really under Trump and it would be in the 1st and
[00:45:42] 2nd administration that there has been a showdown between ICE
[00:45:46] and the groups that want it abolished. And just this year
[00:45:50] alone, as we've been covering here in
[00:45:52] the US ARTI, there have been several high
[00:45:55] profile clashes, including fatal ones with ICE,
[00:45:58] Renee Good and Alex Predict to name just two. So the idea that
[00:46:02] ICE is getting more weapons, even with claims that it's non
[00:46:06] lethal, is sparking major concerns, as you can
[00:46:10] imagine. Have a listen to one immigration advocate.
[00:46:14] I could list you more than 20 names of individuals that have
[00:46:17] been killed at the hands of ICE agents for no legitimate reason.
[00:46:21] They might be using them against the elderly
[00:46:25] individual, individuals with with heart
[00:46:27] conditions who may have a very significant reaction to an
[00:46:30] electric shock.
[00:46:34] So as you can imagine, earthy, this possible new purchase of
[00:46:39] these tools will just add more fuel to this already fiery
[00:46:43] debate about how much power ICE and ICE agent should have. So
[00:46:48] some have spoken out, arguing that these devices
[00:46:52] actually do hurt. One NYPD officer talking to NPR said
[00:46:56] that he's 63 and 250 lbs and it made him buckle to the ground.
[00:47:01] Other advocates say that ICE has been too quick to use
[00:47:05] force to begin with and that another tool like this would just lead
[00:47:09] to more harm and less accountability. OK, Chris,
[00:47:11] thank you for tracking this for us. That is the CBC's Chris
[00:47:15] Reyes in New York.
[00:47:18] The newly unsealed documents include search warrants,
[00:47:21] production orders and sealing orders. Now,
[00:47:23] the pages are largely redacted, as you can see here,
[00:47:27] but they do in part provide a snapshot into what happened
[00:47:30] that day when a shooter killed eight people in Tumblr Ridge
[00:47:34] and what evidence police sought in their investigation. The
[00:47:38] document say the morning of February 10th,
[00:47:41] RCMP responded to a string of 911 calls,
[00:47:43] first at the home of the shooter,
[00:47:45] which the documents identify as
[00:47:47] 18 year old Jesse Van Rootselaar. One caller reported
[00:47:51] 2 dead bodies and shotgun shells on the floor inside the
[00:47:54] suspect's home and they thought the suspect was armed and had
[00:47:58] left. The police also took calls reporting a vehicle
[00:48:01] driving quickly and erratically from the home to Tumblr Ridge
[00:48:05] Secondary School. The document then describes sequence by
[00:48:09] sequence accounting of officers arriving on scene,
[00:48:12] hearing shots fired and entering the school. The
[00:48:15] document reads police were shot at by the suspect
[00:48:18] which caused them to hold while being shot at. Officers recount
[00:48:22] finding 6 victims at the school, plus the shooter who died of a
[00:48:26] self-inflicted gunshot wound. Now,
[00:48:28] it's not clear how much time elapsed throughout this
[00:48:31] sequence of events as time stamps were redacted. But the
[00:48:35] documents also laid out what evidence police sought in their
[00:48:39] investigation, which included computers,
[00:48:41] cell phones and cameras that may have belonged to Van
[00:48:44] Rootselaar. It also outlined when RCMP was notified of the
[00:48:48] two chat CPT accounts believed to be used by Van Rootselaar,
[00:48:52] that section was heavily redacted with nearly 7 pages of
[00:48:56] text fully blacked out. But it does say quote. Jesse's ChatGPT
[00:49:00] account was subject to an internal review in June of 2025
[00:49:04] after Jesse's chat conversation discussed matters that could be
[00:49:08] related to the school shooting and open AI ban Jesse Chachi BT
[00:49:12] account and did not notify police at the time. Now,
[00:49:15] up until this point, these documents have been
[00:49:19] sealed due to an application from police stating concerns that it
[00:49:23] could compromise the ongoing investigation. Now,
[00:49:25] the media consortium has been in court this week to argue for
[00:49:29] the redacted information to be made public. Jessica Chung,
[00:49:33] CBC News, North Vancouver.
[00:51:37] Today we are asking if your kid wants an E scooter. Are you
[00:51:40] saying yes or no,
[00:51:45] Yes or no? My guest this hour is Pamela
[00:51:48] Fuselli. She's the president and CEO of Parachute. That's a
[00:51:51] national charity that's focused on injury prevention of all
[00:51:54] kind. Now she also sits on the injury prevention committee of
[00:51:58] the Canadian Pediatric Society. Welcome to Ontario today,
[00:52:01] Pamela. Thanks for having me. Yeah, nice to have you here. OK,
[00:52:04] so I mentioned you said on this injury prevention committee of
[00:52:08] the Canadian Pediatric Society. I wonder in in those meetings
[00:52:11] what you hear from physicians or staff who work in an ER
[00:52:15] about the kinds of injuries
[00:52:16] the kids are getting from E scooters. The number of,
[00:52:20] of kids that they're seeing, it has just skyrocketed over
[00:52:24] the last couple of years. And we see that in the data that we
[00:52:29] have from the Canadian Institutes for Health
[00:52:32] Information and you know, their concern about the
[00:52:36] severity of these injuries. So, you know,
[00:52:39] we heard about the traumatic brain injuries and fractures
[00:52:43] and, you know, anything that injures your
[00:52:46] torso or your head
[00:52:48] are really, you know, cause for concerns because
[00:52:51] that's where your organs are located,
[00:52:53] your brain is located. Those are the things that we are
[00:52:57] concerned about those serious and fatal injuries,
[00:53:00] not not the bumps and bruises and even some in some cases,
[00:53:03] some minor, you know, simple fractures. So what's
[00:53:07] your own theory about the you know,
[00:53:09] the the the cause of this rise in the number of incidents when
[00:53:13] it comes to kids and you scooters on that. And I
[00:53:16] understand there's an easy looking question.
[00:53:18] The cause is that these are powerful motors attached to
[00:53:22] high amperage batteries. But why are they so popular?
[00:53:25] Why are so many families saying, yeah,
[00:53:27] we can see that this is a bit of a rocket in the hands of our
[00:53:30] 10 year old, but we're still going to get
[00:53:32] one. But why is that happening? Well,
[00:53:35] I think there's a couple of things happening here. They
[00:53:38] look fun and they are fun, absolutely. But they're not a
[00:53:41] toy. And I think that's one of the major messages,
[00:53:44] the main messages that we want to get across to parents is
[00:53:47] these are motor vehicles. They have,
[00:53:50] they can go much faster than human powered scooters or bikes.
[00:53:54] And so the dangers and the risks that are associated with
[00:53:58] these devices are that much higher. They're also the way
[00:54:02] that they're with the way that they're designed,
[00:54:05] they have small wheels. So if you look at the size of a bike
[00:54:10] wheel versus an E scooter, the wheels are much smaller,
[00:54:13] which means they're less stable and controllable and they're
[00:54:18] more susceptible to
[00:54:19] being impacted by those Rd. irregularities, those cracks,
[00:54:24] those potholes, those curbs. And so it's more,
[00:54:28] much more difficult to, to control.
[00:54:31] So, you know, when we look at kids, I mean,
[00:54:35] just like motor vehicles, drivers of cars and trucks,
[00:54:39] you know, we limit the age groups that
[00:54:41] can use these because they go fast,
[00:54:44] because they require specific cognitive and physical
[00:54:48] abilities that this is no, no dissing the the younger kids,
[00:54:52] but just physically, developmentally,
[00:54:55] they just don't have those skills yet. And so we want to
[00:54:59] protect them until they can safely
[00:55:02] use these products. We're not saying don't use these products
[00:55:06] because there are some benefits, but the children under 16 is
[00:55:10] just a an A no go.
[00:55:13] It's a highly contagious disease lurking in the air.
[00:55:16] Measles have infected over 900 people in Manitoba. Now cases
[00:55:21] have fallen to a new low. You know,
[00:55:24] it's dropped down very significantly and while it may
[00:55:28] increase in the fall, I think that we're very likely
[00:55:31] well past any kind of peak. Measles climbed to over 100 new
[00:55:36] infections monthly from February to April. Cases have
[00:55:40] seen decline steadily down to only two
[00:55:43] in July, a number not seen since March
[00:55:47] 2025.
[00:55:48] With months of lower cases, Brandon's mayor says it hasn't
[00:55:51] been a concern. I think we went back to status quo and hold
[00:55:54] back to the historic standard. You know,
[00:55:56] this is this is something that for a generation we never
[00:55:59] worried about. No new infections were reported or
[00:56:02] detected by public health in about 3 1/2 weeks in July.
[00:56:05] That's the closest point the province has gotten of
[00:56:08] declaring its measles outbreak over in months. But experts are
[00:56:11] still concerned about not reaching her immunity in the
[00:56:14] province yet. It doesn't die out when there's a large
[00:56:17] community or a large
[00:56:19] population that's unimmunized and that's what we saw with
[00:56:22] this prolonged outbreak. 95% of the provinces population should
[00:56:26] be immune against measles to stop the virus long term
[00:56:30] because of how contagious it is. Public health says Manitoba is
[00:56:34] still far from that target. The current outbreak will likely
[00:56:38] end, but it might only be temporary.
[00:56:40] This could happen again and would be expected to happen
[00:56:44] again. People moving doors in the coming months for winter.
[00:56:47] Children go back to school.
[00:56:49] Infections in the US skyrocket. Dr. Philippe Lacewings says he
[00:56:53] expects cases to go up again. Anytime that you've got more
[00:56:57] kids or more people in close quarters in a single room,
[00:57:01] you are going to increase the risk of measles transmitting.
[00:57:04] Experts say only higher vaccination rates can prevent a
[00:57:08] future spread And the health complications,
[00:57:11] like dozens of hospitalizations that have come with it.
[01:05:01] OTTAWA. >>> ONTARIO'S OPTICIAN PARTIES >>> ONTARIO'S OPTICIAN PARTIES ARE DEMANDING ANSWERS OVER AN
[01:05:05] ARE DEMANDING ANSWERS OVER AN ALLEGATION THAT THE PROGRESSIVE
[01:05:07] ALLEGATION THAT THE PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE PARTY PIED ON CONSERVATIVE PARTY PIED ON FORMER PROVINCIAL LIBERAL LEADER FORMER PROVINCIAL LIBERAL LEADER BONNIE CROMBIE.
[01:05:11] BONNIE CROMBIE. THE ALLEGATIONS SURFACED IN A
[01:05:13] THE ALLEGATIONS SURFACED IN A REPORT IN THE ONLINE NEWS
[01:05:16] REPORT IN THE ONLINE NEWS PUBLICATION THE TRILLIUM. PUBLICATION THE TRILLIUM. THE CBC'S MEAGAN FITZPATRICK
[01:05:20] THE CBC'S MEAGAN FITZPATRICK HAVE IN GUELPH ONTARIO FOR AN HAVE IN GUELPH ONTARIO FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT DATA CENTRES
[01:05:23] ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT DATA CENTRES AND JOINS US LIVE. AND JOINS US LIVE. MEAGAN, WHAT DID FORD HAVE TO
[01:05:26] MEAGAN, WHAT DID FORD HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE SPYING ALLEGATION?
[01:05:28] SAY ABOUT THE SPYING ALLEGATION? >> Reporter: WELL, KARINA, HE >> Reporter: WELL, KARINA, HE DIDN'T DENY THE ALLEGATION THAT
[01:05:32] DIDN'T DENY THE ALLEGATION THAT WALLS REPORTED IN THE THIS WALLS REPORTED IN THE THIS MORNING'S -- THE TRILLIUM.
[01:05:36] MORNING'S -- THE TRILLIUM. EARLIER THIS WEEK WEEK, THEY HAD EARLIER THIS WEEK WEEK, THEY HAD REPORTED ON SOME EXPENSES THAT
[01:05:39] REPORTED ON SOME EXPENSES THAT HAD BEEN FILED BY THE ONTARIO HAD BEEN FILED BY THE ONTARIO P.C. PARTY IN 2023 WHERE THEY
[01:05:43] P.C. PARTY IN 2023 WHERE THEY LISTED EXPENSES FOR TWO LISTED EXPENSES FOR TWO DIFFERENT HOTELS IN JAMAICA AND
[01:05:47] DIFFERENT HOTELS IN JAMAICA AND WHEN ASKED TO EXPLAIN THEM, THE WHEN ASKED TO EXPLAIN THEM, THE PARTY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TO
[01:05:50] PARTY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY IN THE WAY OF EXPLANATION SAY IN THE WAY OF EXPLANATION OTHER THAN SAYING THEY WEREN'T
[01:05:53] OTHER THAN SAYING THEY WEREN'T FOR SOMEBODY'S PERSONAL VACATION FOR SOMEBODY'S PERSONAL VACATION OR PERSONAL REASONS.
[01:05:57] OR PERSONAL REASONS. THEN THEY UPDATED THEIR THEN THEY UPDATED THEIR REPORTING THIS MORNING AND CITED
[01:06:01] REPORTING THIS MORNING AND CITED SOURCES REPORTING THAT SOMEONE
[01:06:02] SOURCES REPORTING THAT SOMEONE HAD BEEN SENT BY THE P.C. PARTY
[01:06:05] HAD BEEN SENT BY THE P.C. PARTY TO JAMAICA WHERE FORMER ONTARIO TO JAMAICA WHERE FORMER ONTARIO LIBERAL LEADER BONNIE CROMBIE
[01:06:08] LIBERAL LEADER BONNIE CROMBIE WAS TAKING A PERSONAL VACATION.
[01:06:12] WAS TAKING A PERSONAL VACATION. NOW WHEN ASKED ABOUT THIS TODAY, NOW WHEN ASKED ABOUT THIS TODAY, PREMIER FORD SAYING HE JUST
[01:06:16] PREMIER FORD SAYING HE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IT YESTERDAY AND FOUND OUT ABOUT IT YESTERDAY AND IN THE TRILLIUM REPORTING THEY
[01:06:20] IN THE TRILLIUM REPORTING THEY HAD QUOTED A SPOKESPERSON FOR HAD QUOTED A SPOKESPERSON FOR FORD'S OFFICE SAYING THE PREMIER
[01:06:24] FORD'S OFFICE SAYING THE PREMIER DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS AT THE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS AT THE TIME. TIME. AND FORD SAYING TODAY TALK TO
[01:06:27] AND FORD SAYING TODAY TALK TO THE PARTY. THE PARTY. CBC HAS REACHED OUT TO THE P.C.
[01:06:31] CBC HAS REACHED OUT TO THE P.C. PARTY FOR ONTARIO TO ASK SEVERAL
[01:06:36] PARTY FOR ONTARIO TO ASK SEVERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS REPORT AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS REPORT AND HAS NOT HEARD BACK YET BUT
[01:06:39] HAS NOT HEARD BACK YET BUT PREMIER FORD SAYING IT'S
[01:06:40] PREMIER FORD SAYING IT'S POLITICS BY WAY OF EXPLANATION
[01:06:45] BUT HE DID SAY I WOULDN'T DO IT, SEEMINGLY INDICATING HE WOULDN'T SEEMINGLY INDICATING HE WOULDN'T HAVE APPROVED OF THIS ACTION HAD
[01:06:48] HAVE APPROVED OF THIS ACTION HAD HE KNOWN ABOUT IT AT THE TIME. HE KNOWN ABOUT IT AT THE TIME. HE SAID HE DIDN'T APPROVE OF IT.
[01:06:52] HE SAID HE DIDN'T APPROVE OF IT. WOULDN'T DO T BUT MULTIPLE TIMES WOULDN'T DO T BUT MULTIPLE TIMES SAID IT'S $3,000.
[01:06:56] SAID IT'S $3,000. IT IS ABOUT $3,000, THE HOTEL IT IS ABOUT $3,000, THE HOTEL EXPENSES FILED BY THE PARTY AND
[01:07:00] EXPENSES FILED BY THE PARTY AND THEY HAVE TO FILE THESE EXPENSES THEY HAVE TO FILE THESE EXPENSES WITH ELECTIONS ONTARIO AND THEY
[01:07:03] WITH ELECTIONS ONTARIO AND THEY IN PART HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE
[01:07:05] IN PART HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST PARTY MONEY,
[01:07:07] THIS IS NOT JUST PARTY MONEY, POLITICAL PARTIES ARE IN PART POLITICAL PARTIES ARE IN PART FUNDED BY DONATIONS, MEMBERS OF
[01:07:11] FUNDED BY DONATIONS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, BUT ALSO THEY GET
[01:07:13] THE PUBLIC, BUT ALSO THEY GET SUBSIDIES THAT ARE FUNDED BY
[01:07:15] SUBSIDIES THAT ARE FUNDED BY TAXPAYERS, A PER VOTE SUBSIDY. TAXPAYERS, A PER VOTE SUBSIDY. SO THAT'S ABOUT ALL FORD HAD TO
[01:07:19] SO THAT'S ABOUT ALL FORD HAD TO SAY ABOUT IT, REPEATEDLY SAYING
[01:07:22] SAY ABOUT IT, REPEATEDLY SAYING TALK TO THE PARTY.
[01:07:25] TALK TO THE PARTY. AND BONNIE CROMBIE HAS CONFIRMED
[01:07:27] AND BONNIE CROMBIE HAS CONFIRMED TO CBC NEWS THAT SHE DID TAKE A
[01:07:31] TO CBC NEWS THAT SHE DID TAKE A VACATION TO JAMAICA IN 2023 AND VACATION TO JAMAICA IN 2023 AND STAYED AT ONE OF THE HOTEL THAT
[01:07:34] STAYED AT ONE OF THE HOTEL THAT IS THE P.C. PARTY FILED AN
[01:07:36] IS THE P.C. PARTY FILED AN EXPENSE FOR, BUT BEYOND, THAT EXPENSE FOR, BUT BEYOND, THAT KARINA, SHE'S NOT COMMENTING.
[01:07:40] KARINA, SHE'S NOT COMMENTING. >> Karina: WHILE WE WAIT TO
[01:07:41] >> Karina: WHILE WE WAIT TO HEAR FROM THE PARTY, WHAT IS THE HEAR FROM THE PARTY, WHAT IS THE ONTARIO OPPOSITION SAYING ABOUT
[01:07:45] ONTARIO OPPOSITION SAYING ABOUT THE SPYING ALLEGATION? THE SPYING ALLEGATION? >> Reporter: WELL, THEY'RE
[01:07:48] >> Reporter: WELL, THEY'RE HAVING PRETTY STRONG REACTIONS HAVING PRETTY STRONG REACTIONS TO THIS REPORTING.
[01:07:51] TO THIS REPORTING. BOTH THE N.D.P. AND THE LIBERALS BOTH THE N.D.P. AND THE LIBERALS HAVE BEEN SPEAKING OUT TODAY
[01:07:54] HAVE BEEN SPEAKING OUT TODAY SAYING THAT THIS IS CREEPY, SAYING THAT THIS IS CREEPY, DISGUSTING AND THAT IT WENT TOO
[01:07:58] DISGUSTING AND THAT IT WENT TOO FAR. FAR. NOW POLITICAL PARTIES DO DO WHAT
[01:08:00] NOW POLITICAL PARTIES DO DO WHAT THEY CALL OPPOSITION RESEARCH ON
[01:08:02] THEY CALL OPPOSITION RESEARCH ON THEIR POLITICAL OPPONENTS, BUT
[01:08:06] THEIR POLITICAL OPPONENTS, BUT TO FOLLOW SOMEONE OUT OF THE
[01:08:07] TO FOLLOW SOMEONE OUT OF THE COUNTRY ON A PERSONAL VACATION,
[01:08:10] COUNTRY ON A PERSONAL VACATION, THEY SAY IS COMPLETELY
[01:08:13] THEY SAY IS COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE.
[01:08:17] INAPPROPRIATE. HERE'S M.P. -- LIBERAL M.P.P.
[01:08:24] HERE'S M.P. -- LIBERAL M.P.P. STEPHANIE SMYTH. STEPHANIE SMYTH. >> NOT ONLY DISTURBING BUT AN >> NOT ONLY DISTURBING BUT AN ABSOLUTE VIOLATION OF SOMEONE'S
[01:08:28] ABSOLUTE VIOLATION OF SOMEONE'S PRIVACY. PRIVACY. IT GOES BEYOND ORDINARY
[01:08:31] IT GOES BEYOND ORDINARY POLITICAL OPPOSITION, RESEARCH POLITICAL OPPOSITION, RESEARCH THAT WE KNOW THAT PARTIES DO
[01:08:35] THAT WE KNOW THAT PARTIES DO WHEN WE SEE SOMEONE ACTUALLY
[01:08:37] WHEN WE SEE SOMEONE ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY FOLLOWING SOMEONE TO
[01:08:40] PHYSICALLY FOLLOWING SOMEONE TO OBSERVE A POLITICAL OPPONENT IS
[01:08:44] OBSERVE A POLITICAL OPPONENT IS JUST THE LOWEST OF THE LOW.
[01:08:48] JUST THE LOWEST OF THE LOW. AND ONTARIANS DESERVE ANSWERS AND ONTARIANS DESERVE ANSWERS ABOUT THIS.
[01:08:51] ABOUT THIS. WHO AUTHORIZED THIS?
[01:08:54] WHO AUTHORIZED THIS? WHO APPROVED THIS SPENDING?
[01:08:57] WHO APPROVED THIS SPENDING? WHO WAS DIRECTING THIS WHO WAS DIRECTING THIS OPERATION?
[01:09:00] OPERATION? AND WHAT EXACTLY WERE THEY
[01:09:01] AND WHAT EXACTLY WERE THEY LOOKING FOR?
[01:09:05] LOOKING FOR? >> Reporter: AND N.D.P. LEADER >> Reporter: AND N.D.P. LEADER MARIT STILES ALSO SPOKE TO
[01:09:08] MARIT STILES ALSO SPOKE TO REPORTERS ABOUT THIS TODAY. REPORTERS ABOUT THIS TODAY. SIMILARLY CALLING IT CREEPY,
[01:09:12] SIMILARLY CALLING IT CREEPY, DISTURBING,ING SAYING IT RAISES DISTURBING,ING SAYING IT RAISES A LOT OF QUESTIONS AS YOU HEARD
[01:09:15] A LOT OF QUESTIONS AS YOU HEARD SMYTH SAY THERE, INCLUDING SMYTH SAY THERE, INCLUDING QUESTIONS AROUND SECURITY,
[01:09:19] QUESTIONS AROUND SECURITY, INCLUDING QUESTIONS AROUND THEY INCLUDING QUESTIONS AROUND THEY SAY HOW FAR DOUG FORD IS WILLING
[01:09:23] SAY HOW FAR DOUG FORD IS WILLING TO GO TO ATTACK HIS OPPONENTS.
[01:09:25] TO GO TO ATTACK HIS OPPONENTS. AND THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO
[01:09:29] AND THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO AUTHORIZED THIS, WHO WAS AUTHORIZED THIS, WHO WAS INVOLVED, WHO WENT TO JAMAICA,
[01:09:33] INVOLVED, WHO WENT TO JAMAICA, AND WHAT TOTAL EXPENSES WERE
[01:09:35] AND WHAT TOTAL EXPENSES WERE THERE FOR THIS TRIP? THERE FOR THIS TRIP? BONNIE CROMBIE IS NO LONGER THE
[01:09:39] BONNIE CROMBIE IS NO LONGER THE ONTARIO LIBERAL LEADER, SHE'S ONTARIO LIBERAL LEADER, SHE'S NOT DIRECTLY AN OPPONENT OF THE
[01:09:43] NOT DIRECTLY AN OPPONENT OF THE PREMIER ANYMORE, BUT SHE IS PREMIER ANYMORE, BUT SHE IS RUNNING FOR MAYOR RIGHT NOW FOR
[01:09:46] RUNNING FOR MAYOR RIGHT NOW FOR THE CITY OF MISSISSAUGA. THE CITY OF MISSISSAUGA. THAT'S THE JOB SHE USED TO HOLD
[01:09:49] THAT'S THE JOB SHE USED TO HOLD BEFORE BECOMING ONTARIO LIBERAL BEFORE BECOMING ONTARIO LIBERAL LEADER AND DOUG FORD HAS OPENLY
[01:09:53] LEADER AND DOUG FORD HAS OPENLY EXPRESSED HIS OPPOSITION TO HER
[01:09:56] EXPRESSED HIS OPPOSITION TO HER BEING THE MAYOR OF MISSISSAUGA
[01:09:59] BEING THE MAYOR OF MISSISSAUGA SAYING HOW HE WOULD SEND IN AN SAYING HOW HE WOULD SEND IN AN ARMY TO DEFEAT HER.
[01:10:02] ARMY TO DEFEAT HER. SO THAT HAS BEEN CITED BY THE SO THAT HAS BEEN CITED BY THE OPPONENTS TODAY AS WELL, KARINA,
[01:10:06] OPPONENTS TODAY AS WELL, KARINA, IN TERMS OF THEIR REACTION TO IN TERMS OF THEIR REACTION TO THESE TACTICS THAT WERE
[01:10:10] THESE TACTICS THAT WERE APPARENTLY USED BY THE P.C. APPARENTLY USED BY THE P.C. PARTY.
[01:10:13] PARTY. SO WE'RE AWAITING MORE SO WE'RE AWAITING MORE INFORMATION, MORE QUESTIONS FOR INFORMATION, MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE PARTY.
[01:10:17] THE PARTY. BUT IN TERMS OF THE PREMIER AND BUT IN TERMS OF THE PREMIER AND HIS RESPONSE TO IT, AGAIN, HE
[01:10:20] HIS RESPONSE TO IT, AGAIN, HE SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT AND SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT AND HE WOULDN'T HAVE APPROVED IT. HE WOULDN'T HAVE APPROVED IT. >> Karina: THANKS VERY MUCH
[01:10:24] >> Karina: THANKS VERY MUCH MEAGAN.
[01:10:26] THE SCENE. >>> THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT HAS
[01:10:28] >>> THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT HAS LAUNCHED A FRAMEWORK TO REGULATE
[01:10:30] LAUNCHED A FRAMEWORK TO REGULATE DATA CENTRES IN THE PROVINCE. DATA CENTRES IN THE PROVINCE. THE ANNOUNCEMENT COMES AS
[01:10:34] THE ANNOUNCEMENT COMES AS CONCERNS GROW ABOUT THOSE LARGE
[01:10:37] CONCERNS GROW ABOUT THOSE LARGE ENERGY SAPPING FACILITIES THAT ENERGY SAPPING FACILITIES THAT ARE USED TO POWER ARTIFICIAL
[01:10:40] ARE USED TO POWER ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. INTELLIGENCE. THE CBC'S MARK CARCASOLE JOINS
[01:10:43] THE CBC'S MARK CARCASOLE JOINS ME NOW IN STUDIO WITH MORE. ME NOW IN STUDIO WITH MORE. MARK, WHAT DID WE HEAR FROM THE
[01:10:46] MARK, WHAT DID WE HEAR FROM THE ONTARIO PREMIER? ONTARIO PREMIER? >> Reporter: THIS IS SOMETHING
[01:10:48] >> Reporter: THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MANY PEOPLE IN ONTARIO, THAT MANY PEOPLE IN ONTARIO, POLITICAL LEADERS, MUNICIPAL
[01:10:52] POLITICAL LEADERS, MUNICIPAL LEADERS HAVE CALLED FOR FOR A
[01:10:53] LEADERS HAVE CALLED FOR FOR A LONG TIME FROM THE PROVINCE.
[01:10:56] LONG TIME FROM THE PROVINCE. DATA CENTRES IS WERE NOT NEW BUT DATA CENTRES IS WERE NOT NEW BUT ONTARIO AND ACROSS CANADA WE
[01:10:59] ONTARIO AND ACROSS CANADA WE HAVE SEVERAL SMALLER DATA HAVE SEVERAL SMALLER DATA CENTRES MEANT TO RUN THINGS ON
[01:11:02] CENTRES MEANT TO RUN THINGS ON THE CLOUD AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE CLOUD AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WITH THE ADVENT OF A.I., THERE
[01:11:05] WITH THE ADVENT OF A.I., THERE ARE LARGE SCALE DATA CENTRES ARE LARGE SCALE DATA CENTRES THAT MANY COMPANIES WANT TO THAT MANY COMPANIES WANT TO BUILD.
[01:11:08] BUILD. THINK OF THE BIGGEST FACTORY YOU THINK OF THE BIGGEST FACTORY YOU CAN THINK OF IT AND MULTIPLY IT CAN THINK OF IT AND MULTIPLY IT SEVERAL TIMES.
[01:11:12] SEVERAL TIMES. THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THIS THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THIS FRAMEWORK BASICALLY IS THE
[01:11:15] FRAMEWORK BASICALLY IS THE PROVINCE'S WAY OF DICTATING THE
[01:11:18] PROVINCE'S WAY OF DICTATING THE RULES FOR ANYONE, ANY DEVELOPER, RULES FOR ANYONE, ANY DEVELOPER, INVESTORS WHO WANTS TO BRING A
[01:11:21] INVESTORS WHO WANTS TO BRING A LARGE SCALE DATA CENTRE INTO LARGE SCALE DATA CENTRE INTO ONTARIO.
[01:11:24] ONTARIO. THERE ARE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT THERE ARE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT THE THE PROVINCE SAYS THEY'RE THE THE PROVINCE SAYS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
[01:11:28] LOOKING FOR. MOST MOATABLY, PREMIER DOUG FORD MOST MOATABLY, PREMIER DOUG FORD SAYS THE PROVINCE WILL MAKE NO
[01:11:31] SAYS THE PROVINCE WILL MAKE NO FINANCIAL INCENTIVES TO ATTRACT FINANCIAL INCENTIVES TO ATTRACT INVESTORS.
[01:11:34] INVESTORS. HE SPOKE ABOUT DATA SOVEREIGNTY, HE SPOKE ABOUT DATA SOVEREIGNTY, RULES FOR CONNECTING TO THE RULES FOR CONNECTING TO THE GRID.
[01:11:38] GRID. HE WANTS THESE CENTRES TO PAY HE WANTS THESE CENTRES TO PAY FOR EVERY BIT OF ELECTRICITY
[01:11:41] FOR EVERY BIT OF ELECTRICITY THEY USE. THEY USE. LET'S HEAR WHAT PREMIER FORD HAD LET'S HEAR WHAT PREMIER FORD HAD TO SAY.
[01:11:45] TO SAY. >> Premier Doug Ford: ONTARIO >> Premier Doug Ford: ONTARIO WILL NOT OFFER FINANCIAL WILL NOT OFFER FINANCIAL INCENTIVES TO ATTRACT
[01:11:49] INCENTIVES TO ATTRACT INVESTMENTS. INVESTMENTS. INSTEAD WE WILL RELY ON OUR
[01:11:52] INSTEAD WE WILL RELY ON OUR NATURAL COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE
[01:11:53] NATURAL COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE INCLUDING OUR CLEAN AND RELIABLE
[01:11:56] INCLUDING OUR CLEAN AND RELIABLE ELECTRICITY SYSTEM, AVAILABLE
[01:11:58] ELECTRICITY SYSTEM, AVAILABLE LAND, COOL CLIMATE AND LAND, COOL CLIMATE AND WORLD-CLASS WORK FORCE.
[01:12:02] WORLD-CLASS WORK FORCE. WE WILL ONLY ADVANCE PROJECTS
[01:12:04] WE WILL ONLY ADVANCE PROJECTS THAT STRENGTHEN ONTARIO AND THAT STRENGTHEN ONTARIO AND CANADA'S CONTROL OVER SENSITIVE
[01:12:08] CANADA'S CONTROL OVER SENSITIVE DATA. DATA. >> Reporter: PREMIER FORD SAYS
[01:12:11] >> Reporter: PREMIER FORD SAYS THEY'LL ALSO ONLY INVEST IN THEY'LL ALSO ONLY INVEST IN PROJECTS THAT INVEST BACK IN THE
[01:12:14] PROJECTS THAT INVEST BACK IN THE COMMUNITY, BRING JOBS, ABIDE BY COMMUNITY, BRING JOBS, ABIDE BY ONTARIO'S ENVIRONMENTAL
[01:12:18] ONTARIO'S ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS AND RESPONSIBLE WATER STANDARDS AND RESPONSIBLE WATER USE. USE. THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT FOR THIS
[01:12:21] THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT FOR THIS FRAMEWORK ALSO TALKS ABOUT NOISE
[01:12:23] FRAMEWORK ALSO TALKS ABOUT NOISE REDUCING TECHNOLOGY AND WASTE REDUCING TECHNOLOGY AND WASTE HEAT RECOVERY TO POSSIBLY HEAT
[01:12:27] HEAT RECOVERY TO POSSIBLY HEAT NEARBY BUILDINGS. NEARBY BUILDINGS. THIS WILL GO OUT NOW STARTING
[01:12:30] THIS WILL GO OUT NOW STARTING TODAY FOR A 30 DAY PUBLIC TODAY FOR A 30 DAY PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
[01:12:33] COMMENT PERIOD. IT'S A DIFFERENT TACTIC THAN IN IT'S A DIFFERENT TACTIC THAN IN ALBERTA FOR EXAMPLE WHERE THEY
[01:12:37] ALBERTA FOR EXAMPLE WHERE THEY HAVE A $13 BILLION DATA CENTRE HAVE A $13 BILLION DATA CENTRE SIGNED ON FOR BY META.
[01:12:41] SIGNED ON FOR BY META. THEY ARE ACTIVELY TRYING TO
[01:12:43] THEY ARE ACTIVELY TRYING TO BRING IN INVESTORS AND DATA
[01:12:45] BRING IN INVESTORS AND DATA CENTRE DEVELOPERS COURTING THEM
[01:12:48] CENTRE DEVELOPERS COURTING THEM WITH CHEAPER ELECTRICITY, LOOSER WITH CHEAPER ELECTRICITY, LOOSER ENERGY RULES.
[01:12:51] ENERGY RULES. ALBERTA IS ESSENTIALLY SAYING ALBERTA IS ESSENTIALLY SAYING THE DOOR'S OPEN. THE DOOR'S OPEN. C'MON IN.
[01:12:54] C'MON IN. >> VERY DIFFERENT. >> VERY DIFFERENT. NOW THE MUNICIPALITIES STILL
[01:12:57] NOW THE MUNICIPALITIES STILL HAVE THE POWER TO WEIGH IN OP ON HAVE THE POWER TO WEIGH IN OP ON THIS.
[01:13:00] THIS. HOW ARE THEY REACTING TO THE HOW ARE THEY REACTING TO THE POSSIBILITY OF THE DATA CENTRES?
[01:13:03] POSSIBILITY OF THE DATA CENTRES? >> Reporter: SOME STARTING >> Reporter: SOME STARTING FLEXING THAT PARTY.
[01:13:06] FLEXING THAT PARTY. OAKVILLE HAS BECOME THE FIRST OAKVILLE HAS BECOME THE FIRST MUNICIPALITY IN CANADA TO PUT A
[01:13:09] MUNICIPALITY IN CANADA TO PUT A ONE YEAR MORATORIUM ON THE ONE YEAR MORATORIUM ON THE CREATION OF ANY DATA CENTRES
[01:13:12] CREATION OF ANY DATA CENTRES WITHIN ITS TOWN LIMITS. WITHIN ITS TOWN LIMITS. MISSISSAUGA NEARBY IS EXPECTED
[01:13:16] MISSISSAUGA NEARBY IS EXPECTED TO VOTE ON THAT RELATIVELY SOON. TO VOTE ON THAT RELATIVELY SOON. IN TORONTO, AND WATERLOO REGION,
[01:13:20] IN TORONTO, AND WATERLOO REGION, THEY'VE STOPPED SHORT OF PUTTING THEY'VE STOPPED SHORT OF PUTTING IN A MORATORIUM.
[01:13:23] IN A MORATORIUM. BUT DIRECTED STAFF TO LOOK INTO
[01:13:26] BUT DIRECTED STAFF TO LOOK INTO IT AND POSSIBLY ADVOCATE THE IT AND POSSIBLY ADVOCATE THE PROVINCE FOR A FRAMEWORK LIKE
[01:13:29] PROVINCE FOR A FRAMEWORK LIKE THE ONE THEY'RE SEEING NOW AND
[01:13:31] THE ONE THEY'RE SEEING NOW AND THEN IN HAMILTON, ONTARIO, THERE THEN IN HAMILTON, ONTARIO, THERE WAS A VOTE.
[01:13:34] WAS A VOTE. THERE WAS A LARGE SCALE PROTEST THERE WAS A LARGE SCALE PROTEST BEFORE THAT VOTE.
[01:13:37] BEFORE THAT VOTE. THE COUNCIL CHAMBER WAS PACKED.
[01:13:39] THE COUNCIL CHAMBER WAS PACKED. CITY COUNCIL IN HAMILTON DECIDED
[01:13:43] CITY COUNCIL IN HAMILTON DECIDED TO FOREGO A MORATORIUM.
[01:13:48] TO FOREGO A MORATORIUM. PREMIER FORD SPOKE ON THE PREMIER FORD SPOKE ON THE VARIOUS MUNICIPALITIES AND THEIR
[01:13:51] VARIOUS MUNICIPALITIES AND THEIR STANCES ON THIS AS WELL. STANCES ON THIS AS WELL. >> Premier Doug Ford: IF
[01:13:54] >> Premier Doug Ford: IF SOMEONE SAID, OKAY, YOU'RE NOT
[01:13:57] SOMEONE SAID, OKAY, YOU'RE NOT HAVING A DATA CENTRE BUT AREN'T
[01:14:00] HAVING A DATA CENTRE BUT AREN'T GETTING DATA AND USING SOCIAL
[01:14:01] GETTING DATA AND USING SOCIAL MEDIA, PEOPLE WILL FLIP.
[01:14:04] MEDIA, PEOPLE WILL FLIP. YOU CAN'T HAVE NIMBYISM.
[01:14:08] YOU CAN'T HAVE NIMBYISM. THEY'RE NOT BAD. THEY'RE NOT BAD. THEY'VE COME SO FAR.
[01:14:11] THEY'VE COME SO FAR. THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOOD. THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOOD. REALLY GOOD.
[01:14:15] REALLY GOOD. BUT WE WANT ALL THE BENEFITS, BUT WE WANT ALL THE BENEFITS, BUT WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO
[01:14:18] BUT WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. WITH IT. >> THE PREMIER SAYS THE PROVINCE >> THE PREMIER SAYS THE PROVINCE WILL BE DISCUSSING THIS WITH
[01:14:22] WILL BE DISCUSSING THIS WITH MUNICIPAL LEADERS NEXT WEEK AT MUNICIPAL LEADERS NEXT WEEK AT THE CONFERENCE OF THE
[01:14:25] THE CONFERENCE OF THE ASSOCIATION OF MUNICIPALITIES OF ASSOCIATION OF MUNICIPALITIES OF ONTARIO TO SORT OF GIVE THEM A ONTARIO TO SORT OF GIVE THEM A CLEARER PICTURE.
[01:14:29] CLEARER PICTURE. >> Karina: THANKS, MARK. >> Karina: THANKS, MARK. >> T
[01:21:58] Wildfires are burning across BC and homes have been destroyed.
[01:22:02] So what do you do if you found out you've lost everything?
[01:22:05] The first step would be to contact your insurance company
[01:22:09] and get that process started. Experts say if you have home
[01:22:12] insurance, you're likely covered for
[01:22:14] wildfire damage and will be reimbursed for living expenses.
[01:22:18] Things like hotel rooms, things like food where you're
[01:22:21] forced outside your home, things like a rental car if you
[01:22:24] don't have access to your vehicle, taxis,
[01:22:27] things like that, clothing, household items.
[01:22:29] But the process to rebuild can be a long one. It's multiple
[01:22:33] steps and it's a real exercise in patience. But it took two
[01:22:36] years for Antique Goyer to rebuild from the McDougall
[01:22:39] Creek wildfire near West Kelowna in 2023. Before the
[01:22:42] fire hit, she and her husband videotaped
[01:22:45] the layouts and contents of their entire house,
[01:22:48] a key step that helped document their losses with the insurance
[01:22:51] company. We were able to go through each room and then
[01:22:55] freeze the video and write down all the things that we saw and,
[01:22:58] and it it's an endless process. But without the videos, you're,
[01:23:02] you're relying on memories. For people like de Goyer,
[01:23:05] insurance covered nearly everything except for things
[01:23:07] like utilities, which she says she would have
[01:23:10] paid for anyway if her house didn't burn down. But what if
[01:23:13] you don't have insurance? When you come home and there's
[01:23:16] nothing left standing and everything is leveled,
[01:23:18] you don't know where to start. In 2021,
[01:23:21] Litton and the surrounding areas were devastated,
[01:23:23] flames destroying almost everything,
[01:23:25] including the home of Trisha Thorpe. We did not have
[01:23:28] insurance. We were outside of Fire Protection
[01:23:30] and we had wood heat. My situation is actually not
[01:23:34] unique across this province. Many in the community couldn't
[01:23:38] afford insurance or didn't qualify Thorpe relying on
[01:23:41] charities, nonprofit organizations and
[01:23:44] others to rebuild. We had a lot of help from community,
[01:23:48] from friends, from my family, or we never would have been
[01:23:52] able to do it. The the resources aren't there for
[01:23:55] people who lose their homes, at least not from a government
[01:23:59] perspective. In my opinion.
[01:24:01] Macy's Emergency Support Services program provides short
[01:24:04] term help. People can access food, clothing and shelter,
[01:24:07] but when it comes to long term recovery,
[01:24:09] that support differs on the event and eventually can run
[01:24:12] out. It is something that all of us need to spend a few
[01:24:15] minutes every year just to make sure we have the financial
[01:24:18] protection in place for our family and for what is likely
[01:24:21] the biggest financial asset we own,
[01:24:23] which is our home. With officials still assessing
[01:24:26] damage and wildfire season not over yet,
[01:24:28] experts are reminding everyone to review their coverage and plan head.
[01:24:34] It was pretty intense. It was pretty quick. Another storm
[01:24:37] hitting the city and these Nepean homes. It was probably
[01:24:40] maximum like this. The winds probably 5 minutes and we had
[01:24:44] about, I would say an inch and a half
[01:24:46] to two inches of hail on our like ice on our on our deck in
[01:24:50] the back, powerful winds and heavy rain
[01:24:53] over a short period of time causing significant damage. It
[01:24:57] was scary. The first thing my husband did was get our
[01:25:00] insurance policy out and started calling,
[01:25:03] but we did get reply from them pretty well within half an hour
[01:25:08] after and the city as well. This morning they've triaged
[01:25:12] our tree situation
[01:25:15] as a priority, so that was good too. Thousands
[01:25:18] of people had their power knocked out as wind gusts
[01:25:22] reached as high as 107 kilometers per hour. So we were
[01:25:26] outside looking at the window. We,
[01:25:28] we were looking outside because it was like a really,
[01:25:32] it was raining a lot. And then we saw a lightning going white,
[01:25:36] cyan, green and blue. And we thought
[01:25:39] that was like really bad. And then it started really raining
[01:25:43] and we heard
[01:25:45] like bam and we saw the tree fell. It was. I just wanted to
[01:25:48] know if everyone was OK cause like my neighbors,
[01:25:50] I've known them for a while and same with them and I was just
[01:25:54] worried about them. That's it. City crews were around Ottawa
[01:25:58] cleaning up debris again. It continues the trend we've seen
[01:26:01] for much of the summer and lot of thunderstorms.
[01:26:04] We had a record amount of rain in July and so far that's
[01:26:08] continuing in August. Some residents have been flooded
[01:26:11] multiple times this summer. They are looking for relief and
[01:26:15] changes. I think anybody would have PTSD every time there was
[01:26:18] like heavy rain in this neighborhood. So the
[01:26:21] infrastructure in this neighborhood really needs to
[01:26:24] change because it's really no fault of of the property owners.
[01:26:28] I don't think. With weeks still left in the summer,
[01:26:31] people across the city are anxious about more rain as they
[01:26:34] continue to clear the debris
[01:26:36] from previous storms. David Fraser, CBC News, Ottawa.
[01:28:32] >>> PEDIATRICIANS ACROSS CANADA ARE RAISING THE ALARM ABOUT THE DANGERS OF E-SCOOTERS AND
[01:28:37] ARE RAISING THE ALARM ABOUT THE DANGERS OF E-SCOOTERS AND E-BIKES. DANGERS OF E-SCOOTERS AND E-BIKES. THEY RELEASED A REPORT SHOWING A
[01:28:40] E-BIKES. THEY RELEASED A REPORT SHOWING A STARTLING NUMBER OF SEVERE THEY RELEASED A REPORT SHOWING A STARTLING NUMBER OF SEVERE INJURIES AND EVEN DEATHS AMONG
[01:28:44] STARTLING NUMBER OF SEVERE INJURIES AND EVEN DEATHS AMONG CHILDREN WHO RIDE THE VEHICLES, INJURIES AND EVEN DEATHS AMONG CHILDREN WHO RIDE THE VEHICLES, ESPECIALLY ELECTRONIC SCOOTERS
[01:28:48] CHILDREN WHO RIDE THE VEHICLES, ESPECIALLY ELECTRONIC SCOOTERS WHICH ARE NOT MEANT FOR KIDS.
[01:28:50] ESPECIALLY ELECTRONIC SCOOTERS WHICH ARE NOT MEANT FOR KIDS. LAUREN PELLEY REPORTS ON WHAT
[01:28:54] LAUREN PELLEY REPORTS ON WHAT THEY SAY NEEDS TO CHANGE. >> Reporter: IT'S A COMMON THEY SAY NEEDS TO CHANGE. >> Reporter: IT'S A COMMON SIGHT ON SUMMER NIGHTS: KIDS
[01:28:58] >> Reporter: IT'S A COMMON SIGHT ON SUMMER NIGHTS: KIDS AND TEENS RACING AROUND ON SIGHT ON SUMMER NIGHTS: KIDS AND TEENS RACING AROUND ON E-SCOOTERS, HITTING 40 TO 60
[01:29:02] AND TEENS RACING AROUND ON E-SCOOTERS, HITTING 40 TO 60 KILOMETRES OR MORE. E-SCOOTERS, HITTING 40 TO 60 KILOMETRES OR MORE. THIS 12-YEAR-OLD BOY WAS LEFT
[01:29:06] KILOMETRES OR MORE. THIS 12-YEAR-OLD BOY WAS LEFT WITH A FRACTURED SKULL AFTER
[01:29:08] THIS 12-YEAR-OLD BOY WAS LEFT WITH A FRACTURED SKULL AFTER CRASHING WITHOUT A HELMET. WITH A FRACTURED SKULL AFTER CRASHING WITHOUT A HELMET. >> THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY HE
[01:29:12] CRASHING WITHOUT A HELMET. >> THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY HE WOULD NOT MAKE IT. >> THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY HE WOULD NOT MAKE IT. >> Reporter: CRYSTAL DUNKLEY'S
[01:29:16] WOULD NOT MAKE IT. >> Reporter: CRYSTAL DUNKLEY'S SON SHAWN WAS IN A COMA FOR A
[01:29:18] >> Reporter: CRYSTAL DUNKLEY'S SON SHAWN WAS IN A COMA FOR A WEEK LAST SUMMER AND SPENT MORE SON SHAWN WAS IN A COMA FOR A WEEK LAST SUMMER AND SPENT MORE THAN A MONTH IN HOSPITAL.
[01:29:22] WEEK LAST SUMMER AND SPENT MORE THAN A MONTH IN HOSPITAL. HE EVENTUALLY MADE A FULL THAN A MONTH IN HOSPITAL. HE EVENTUALLY MADE A FULL RECOVERY AND NOW REMINDS OTHERS
[01:29:26] HE EVENTUALLY MADE A FULL RECOVERY AND NOW REMINDS OTHERS TO WEAR A HELMET. RECOVERY AND NOW REMINDS OTHERS TO WEAR A HELMET. >> HE HAS TRIED TO TURN A
[01:29:30] TO WEAR A HELMET. >> HE HAS TRIED TO TURN A TRAGEDY INTO SOMETHING POSITIVE.
[01:29:32] >> HE HAS TRIED TO TURN A TRAGEDY INTO SOMETHING POSITIVE. >> Reporter: CANADIAN DOCTORS
[01:29:34] TRAGEDY INTO SOMETHING POSITIVE. >> Reporter: CANADIAN DOCTORS SAY MORE KIDS ARE GETTING >> Reporter: CANADIAN DOCTORS SAY MORE KIDS ARE GETTING SERIOUSLY INJURED, EVEN DYING,
[01:29:38] SAY MORE KIDS ARE GETTING SERIOUSLY INJURED, EVEN DYING, IN E-SCOOTER ACCIDENTS. SERIOUSLY INJURED, EVEN DYING, IN E-SCOOTER ACCIDENTS. A NEW SURVEY OF PEDIATRICIANS
[01:29:42] IN E-SCOOTER ACCIDENTS. A NEW SURVEY OF PEDIATRICIANS SUGGESTS THERE WERE TEN DEATHS, A NEW SURVEY OF PEDIATRICIANS SUGGESTS THERE WERE TEN DEATHS, 12ICU ADMISSIONS, AND 26
[01:29:46] SUGGESTS THERE WERE TEN DEATHS, 12ICU ADMISSIONS, AND 26 HOSPITALIZATIONS LASTING MORE
[01:29:48] 12ICU ADMISSIONS, AND 26 HOSPITALIZATIONS LASTING MORE THAN TWO DAYS, ALL LINKED TO HOSPITALIZATIONS LASTING MORE THAN TWO DAYS, ALL LINKED TO E-SCOOTER CRASHES IN JUST ONE
[01:29:52] THAN TWO DAYS, ALL LINKED TO E-SCOOTER CRASHES IN JUST ONE YEAR. E-SCOOTER CRASHES IN JUST ONE YEAR. >> THESE DEVICES ARE OFTEN
[01:29:56] YEAR. >> THESE DEVICES ARE OFTEN MARKETED AS TOYS, AND I WILL >> THESE DEVICES ARE OFTEN MARKETED AS TOYS, AND I WILL TELL YOU THEY'RE ANYTHING BUT
[01:29:59] MARKETED AS TOYS, AND I WILL TELL YOU THEY'RE ANYTHING BUT TOYS. TELL YOU THEY'RE ANYTHING BUT TOYS. >> Reporter: SickKids IN
[01:30:03] TOYS. >> Reporter: SickKids IN TORONTO IS AMONG THE HOSPITALS >> Reporter: SickKids IN TORONTO IS AMONG THE HOSPITALS SEEING A SPIKE IN INJURIES FROM
[01:30:07] TORONTO IS AMONG THE HOSPITALS SEEING A SPIKE IN INJURIES FROM TWO DOZEN CASES IN 2023 TO MORE SEEING A SPIKE IN INJURIES FROM TWO DOZEN CASES IN 2023 TO MORE THAN A HUNDRED LAST YEAR.
[01:30:11] TWO DOZEN CASES IN 2023 TO MORE THAN A HUNDRED LAST YEAR. >> AND THIS YEAR WE'RE LIKELY ON THAN A HUNDRED LAST YEAR. >> AND THIS YEAR WE'RE LIKELY ON TARGET FOR MORE THAN THAT SO
[01:30:15] >> AND THIS YEAR WE'RE LIKELY ON TARGET FOR MORE THAN THAT SO WE'RE JUST SEEING A COMPLETE
[01:30:17] TARGET FOR MORE THAN THAT SO WE'RE JUST SEEING A COMPLETE EXPONENTIAL RISE IN THE NUMBER
[01:30:19] WE'RE JUST SEEING A COMPLETE EXPONENTIAL RISE IN THE NUMBER OF KIDS WE'RE SEEING IN ANY
[01:30:21] EXPONENTIAL RISE IN THE NUMBER OF KIDS WE'RE SEEING IN ANY INJURY AND SO IT FOLLOWS THAT
[01:30:23] OF KIDS WE'RE SEEING IN ANY INJURY AND SO IT FOLLOWS THAT MORE SEVERE INJURIES WILL ALSO
[01:30:27] MORE SEVERE INJURIES WILL ALSO INCREASE THAT KIND OF SIMILAR RATE. INCREASE THAT KIND OF SIMILAR RATE. >> Reporter: E-SCOOTERS ARE
[01:30:31] RATE. >> Reporter: E-SCOOTERS ARE ILLEGAL FOR MOST CANADIANS UNDER >> Reporter: E-SCOOTERS ARE ILLEGAL FOR MOST CANADIANS UNDER 16, BUT...
[01:30:34] ILLEGAL FOR MOST CANADIANS UNDER 16, BUT... >> WE'RE NOT SEEING ENFORCEMENT 16, BUT... >> WE'RE NOT SEEING ENFORCEMENT OF AGE, WE'RE NOT SEEING
[01:30:38] >> WE'RE NOT SEEING ENFORCEMENT OF AGE, WE'RE NOT SEEING ENFORCEMENT OF DOUBLE RIDING OF AGE, WE'RE NOT SEEING ENFORCEMENT OF DOUBLE RIDING HELMET WEAR IS NOT ENFORCED.
[01:30:42] ENFORCEMENT OF DOUBLE RIDING HELMET WEAR IS NOT ENFORCED. >> Reporter: THE 18-YEAR-OLD
[01:30:44] HELMET WEAR IS NOT ENFORCED. >> Reporter: THE 18-YEAR-OLD SON OF FORMER CANADIAN PRIME >> Reporter: THE 18-YEAR-OLD SON OF FORMER CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU SKIPPED
[01:30:48] SON OF FORMER CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU SKIPPED ANY HEAD PROTECTION FOR A BACK MINISTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU SKIPPED ANY HEAD PROTECTION FOR A BACK TO SCHOOL E-SCOOTER AD THIS
[01:30:52] ANY HEAD PROTECTION FOR A BACK TO SCHOOL E-SCOOTER AD THIS WEEK. TO SCHOOL E-SCOOTER AD THIS WEEK. >> I WOULD SAY THIS IS THE ROLLS
[01:30:55] WEEK. >> I WOULD SAY THIS IS THE ROLLS ROYCE OF SCOOTERS. >> I WOULD SAY THIS IS THE ROLLS ROYCE OF SCOOTERS. >> Reporter: PROMPTING HIS MOM
[01:30:59] ROYCE OF SCOOTERS. >> Reporter: PROMPTING HIS MOM TO ASK WHERE'S YOUR HELMET?
[01:31:01] Your spy gadget PEI mom is one of a growing number of parents
[01:31:04] calling for an emergency alert system similar to an Amber
[01:31:08] Alert. It would be set in motion when a vulnerable person
[01:31:11] goes missing. Amber Alerts are only issued when police believe
[01:31:15] a child may have been abducted. This isn't going to be a matter
[01:31:19] of if it happens again. It's Tammy Ferguson's daughter
[01:31:23] Sophia is autistic and nonverbal and a wanderer. She's
[01:31:26] gone missing before for short periods of time. It's a huge
[01:31:30] fear
[01:31:31] again and it's not one I would wish on anybody. It's just
[01:31:34] absolutely debilitating and for the first few minutes I would
[01:31:39] just freeze and it would just be an adrenaline surge. Where
[01:31:43] where do I even begin? The death of an autistic boy in
[01:31:46] Calgary hit home for Ferguson. 11 year old Parker Wells
[01:31:50] disappeared from a day home on July 16th. His remains were
[01:31:54] found two weeks later. When you're dealing with these
[01:31:58] communities, time matters. So
[01:32:01] if this Indigo alert had been in place when Parker Wells went
[01:32:05] missing, um, there's no doubt in my mind he
[01:32:08] would have been saved.
[01:32:10] Nearly 40, 000 people have signed an
[01:32:12] online petition calling for the new Indigo alert. We shouldn't
[01:32:16] have to wait on this. I think the need has been identified
[01:32:19] again. I think it's an issue of life and death. Minutes count
[01:32:22] and when we have people perhaps wandering off who need help,
[01:32:25] we should get that notice out there as soon as possible. I
[01:32:28] just don't see a downside as to why government shouldn't act on
[01:32:32] this right away. My wife and I have thought a lot about this.
[01:32:35] Conservative Leader Pierre Palyed has written the federal
[01:32:38] Minister of Emergency Management calling for the changes.
[01:32:42] His seven-year old daughter has autism and is largely nonverbal.
[01:32:46] The alert system does need to be changed to allow for
[01:32:51] an alert to go out there. Some call it an Indigo alert. Where
[01:32:55] it might not be an abduction, there might be no evidence of
[01:32:59] any foul play, but where a vulnerable child or
[01:33:02] an autistic one might have wandered off,
[01:33:04] an alert could immediately go out. The Federal minister says
[01:33:08] efforts to strengthen the reliability and consistency of
[01:33:12] the national public alerting system are ongoing. The PEI
[01:33:15] government, which overseas the alert system
[01:33:18] here, says it plans to consult with
[01:33:20] police services and public safety partners
[01:33:23] about the Indigo alerts. Beyond tracking devices and emergency
[01:33:27] alerts, advocates say that public
[01:33:29] education is critical so people better understand the needs of
[01:33:34] neurodivergent people and how to help them if they get in
[01:33:38] trouble. Waiting. Tibeto. CBC News Crapo.
[01:35:43] PUBLIC JESSICA CHUNG, "CBC NEWS" NORTH VANCOUVER. >> THE LATEST TACTIC BY ISRAELI
[01:35:48] NORTH VANCOUVER. >> THE LATEST TACTIC BY ISRAELI SETTLERS IN THE OCCUPIED WEST >> THE LATEST TACTIC BY ISRAELI SETTLERS IN THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK IS BEING MET WITH
[01:35:52] SETTLERS IN THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK IS BEING MET WITH INTERNATIONAL CONDEMNATION. BANK IS BEING MET WITH INTERNATIONAL CONDEMNATION. THIS WEEK, SETTLERS STEPPED UP
[01:35:56] INTERNATIONAL CONDEMNATION. THIS WEEK, SETTLERS STEPPED UP THEIR ACTIONS BY SURROUNDING THIS WEEK, SETTLERS STEPPED UP THEIR ACTIONS BY SURROUNDING SOME PALESTINIAN HOUSES.
[01:36:00] THEIR ACTIONS BY SURROUNDING SOME PALESTINIAN HOUSES. AND ACCORDING TO THE RESIDENTS, SOME PALESTINIAN HOUSES. AND ACCORDING TO THE RESIDENTS, LAYING SIEGE.
[01:36:04] AND ACCORDING TO THE RESIDENTS, LAYING SIEGE. AS JULIA CHAPMAN REPORTS, ISRAEL LAYING SIEGE. AS JULIA CHAPMAN REPORTS, ISRAEL IS NOW STEPPING UP EFFORTS TO
[01:36:08] AS JULIA CHAPMAN REPORTS, ISRAEL IS NOW STEPPING UP EFFORTS TO RESTORE ORDER. IS NOW STEPPING UP EFFORTS TO RESTORE ORDER. >> ISRAEL SAYS IT HAS SENT IN
[01:36:11] RESTORE ORDER. >> ISRAEL SAYS IT HAS SENT IN MORE TROOPS TO DEAL WITH THE >> ISRAEL SAYS IT HAS SENT IN MORE TROOPS TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION IN THE VILLAGE.
[01:36:15] MORE TROOPS TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION IN THE VILLAGE. THE MILITARY SAYS, THEY ARRIVED SITUATION IN THE VILLAGE. THE MILITARY SAYS, THEY ARRIVED OVERNIGHT AND ARE CARRYING OUT
[01:36:19] THE MILITARY SAYS, THEY ARRIVED OVERNIGHT AND ARE CARRYING OUT WHAT THEY CALL DEFENSIVE OVERNIGHT AND ARE CARRYING OUT WHAT THEY CALL DEFENSIVE MISSIONS AND PATROLS TO PROTECT
[01:36:23] WHAT THEY CALL DEFENSIVE MISSIONS AND PATROLS TO PROTECT THE AREA. MISSIONS AND PATROLS TO PROTECT THE AREA. PALESTINIAN FAMILIES THERE
[01:36:27] THE AREA. PALESTINIAN FAMILIES THERE DESCRIBED BEING TRAPPED IN THEIR PALESTINIAN FAMILIES THERE DESCRIBED BEING TRAPPED IN THEIR HOMES AFTER ISRAELI SETTLERS
[01:36:31] DESCRIBED BEING TRAPPED IN THEIR HOMES AFTER ISRAELI SETTLERS ARRIVED ON SUNDAY SETTING UP
[01:36:33] HOMES AFTER ISRAELI SETTLERS ARRIVED ON SUNDAY SETTING UP TENTS AND BLOCKADING ENTRANCES.
[01:36:35] ARRIVED ON SUNDAY SETTING UP TENTS AND BLOCKADING ENTRANCES. ONE RESIDENT TOLD THE REUTERS
[01:36:37] TENTS AND BLOCKADING ENTRANCES. ONE RESIDENT TOLD THE REUTERS NEWS AGENCY THAT THE SETTLERS
[01:36:39] ONE RESIDENT TOLD THE REUTERS NEWS AGENCY THAT THE SETTLERS HARASSED HER FAMILY AND ATTACKED NEWS AGENCY THAT THE SETTLERS HARASSED HER FAMILY AND ATTACKED HER HOME CUTTING IT OFF FROM
[01:36:43] HARASSED HER FAMILY AND ATTACKED HER HOME CUTTING IT OFF FROM WATER AND ELECTRICITY. HER HOME CUTTING IT OFF FROM WATER AND ELECTRICITY. THERE WERE REPORTS OF THE
[01:36:47] WATER AND ELECTRICITY. THERE WERE REPORTS OF THE FAMILIES RUNNING LOW ON FOOD THERE WERE REPORTS OF THE FAMILIES RUNNING LOW ON FOOD SUPPLIES.
[01:36:51] FAMILIES RUNNING LOW ON FOOD SUPPLIES. WHILE THE ISRAELI MILITARY SAYS SUPPLIES. WHILE THE ISRAELI MILITARY SAYS TROOPS ARE GOING IN TO BRING THE
[01:36:54] WHILE THE ISRAELI MILITARY SAYS TROOPS ARE GOING IN TO BRING THE SITUATION UNDER CONTROL, THE TROOPS ARE GOING IN TO BRING THE SITUATION UNDER CONTROL, THE MAYOR SAYS, HE HAS LITTLE
[01:36:58] SITUATION UNDER CONTROL, THE MAYOR SAYS, HE HAS LITTLE CONFIDENCE IN THE SOLDIERS.
[01:37:01] MAYOR SAYS, HE HAS LITTLE CONFIDENCE IN THE SOLDIERS. >> [SPEAKING ANOTHER LANGUAGE]
[01:37:06] CONFIDENCE IN THE SOLDIERS. >> [SPEAKING ANOTHER LANGUAGE] >> THE MAYOR REFERS THERE TO >> [SPEAKING ANOTHER LANGUAGE] >> THE MAYOR REFERS THERE TO PRESSURE.
[01:37:10] >> THE MAYOR REFERS THERE TO PRESSURE. AND FOOTAGE HAS EMERGED WHICH PRESSURE. AND FOOTAGE HAS EMERGED WHICH APPEARS TO SHOW SOME ISRAELI
[01:37:14] AND FOOTAGE HAS EMERGED WHICH APPEARS TO SHOW SOME ISRAELI SOLDIERS PRAYING WITH THE APPEARS TO SHOW SOME ISRAELI SOLDIERS PRAYING WITH THE SETTLERS WHEN THEY FIRST ARRIVED
[01:37:18] SOLDIERS PRAYING WITH THE SETTLERS WHEN THEY FIRST ARRIVED RATHER THAN MOVING THEM ON AS SETTLERS WHEN THEY FIRST ARRIVED RATHER THAN MOVING THEM ON AS THEY WERE SENT THERE TO DO.
[01:37:22] RATHER THAN MOVING THEM ON AS THEY WERE SENT THERE TO DO. THE IDF SAYS IT IS THEY WERE SENT THERE TO DO. THE IDF SAYS IT IS INVESTIGATING.
[01:37:25] THE IDF SAYS IT IS INVESTIGATING. YESTERDAY, THERE WERE CLASHES INVESTIGATING. YESTERDAY, THERE WERE CLASHES BETWEEN THEM.
[01:37:28] YESTERDAY, THERE WERE CLASHES BETWEEN THEM. SOLDIERS USED TEAR GAS TO BETWEEN THEM. SOLDIERS USED TEAR GAS TO DISPERSE THE SETTLERS.
[01:37:32] SOLDIERS USED TEAR GAS TO DISPERSE THE SETTLERS. ALTHOUGH THEY DIDN'T ULTIMATELY DISPERSE THE SETTLERS. ALTHOUGH THEY DIDN'T ULTIMATELY LEAVE.
[01:37:35] ALTHOUGH THEY DIDN'T ULTIMATELY LEAVE. TODAY, THE IDF SAYS ONE ISRAELI LEAVE. TODAY, THE IDF SAYS ONE ISRAELI HAS BEEN ARRESTED.
[01:37:38] TODAY, THE IDF SAYS ONE ISRAELI HAS BEEN ARRESTED. AND TROOPS HAVE DISMANTLED HAS BEEN ARRESTED. AND TROOPS HAVE DISMANTLED ILLEGAL OUTPOSTS OUTSIDE OF
[01:37:42] AND TROOPS HAVE DISMANTLED ILLEGAL OUTPOSTS OUTSIDE OF THESE HOMES FOR ISRAELI ILLEGAL OUTPOSTS OUTSIDE OF THESE HOMES FOR ISRAELI SETTLEMENTS THERE ARE ILLEGAL
[01:37:46] THESE HOMES FOR ISRAELI SETTLEMENTS THERE ARE ILLEGAL UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW. SETTLEMENTS THERE ARE ILLEGAL UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW. THEY ARE GROWING IN NUMBER.
[01:37:50] UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW. THEY ARE GROWING IN NUMBER. THE UNITED NATIONS SAYS, THEY ARE GROWING IN NUMBER. THE UNITED NATIONS SAYS, VIOLENCE AGAINST PALESTINIANS
[01:37:54] THE UNITED NATIONS SAYS, VIOLENCE AGAINST PALESTINIANS THERE IS ON THE RISE. VIOLENCE AGAINST PALESTINIANS THERE IS ON THE RISE. A U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL MEETING
[01:37:58] THERE IS ON THE RISE. A U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL MEETING EARLIER THIS WEEK, ONE U.N.
[01:38:00] A U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL MEETING EARLIER THIS WEEK, ONE U.N. OFFICIAL SAID, THE WEST BANK IS
[01:38:02] EARLIER THIS WEEK, ONE U.N. OFFICIAL SAID, THE WEST BANK IS AT BREAKING POINT THE ISRAELI
[01:38:04] OFFICIAL SAID, THE WEST BANK IS AT BREAKING POINT THE ISRAELI AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N. SAYS AT BREAKING POINT THE ISRAELI AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N. SAYS THERE ARE REAL THREATS TO
[01:38:08] AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N. SAYS THERE ARE REAL THREATS TO ISRAELIS HE INSISTS THAT THERE ARE REAL THREATS TO ISRAELIS HE INSISTS THAT SETTLEMENTS DON'T JEOPARDIZE
[01:38:12] ISRAELIS HE INSISTS THAT SETTLEMENTS DON'T JEOPARDIZE PEACE. SETTLEMENTS DON'T JEOPARDIZE PEACE. AND ISRAELI LEADERS DO CONDEMN
[01:38:15] PEACE. AND ISRAELI LEADERS DO CONDEMN EXTREMIST VIOLENCE, THE
[01:38:18] Well, immigration enforcement agents
[01:38:19] in the US may soon get be getting high tech gloves
[01:38:23] designed to deliver electrical shocks to people they're trying
[01:38:26] to detain. The plan is to spend between 10 and $20 million to
[01:38:30] purchase these devices and it's generating a lot of controversy.
[01:38:34] The ABC's Chris Reyes is in New York. She's tracking this story
[01:38:38] for us and joins us live. Hey, Chris,
[01:38:40] Let's begin with what exactly these devices look like and
[01:38:44] what ICE agents could use them for.
[01:38:48] Yeah, let me tell you all about it.
[01:38:50] Good morning, Arthur. So the glove is
[01:38:52] literally called GLOVE, which is actually an acronym
[01:38:56] that stands for Generated Low Output Voltage Emitter. And you
[01:39:00] wear these devices like you would a glove. It activates on
[01:39:03] skin only and emits about 30 electrical pulses per second.
[01:39:07] And the claim by the company that makes them is that it
[01:39:11] causes no injuries and that they've never had a lawsuit.
[01:39:14] And it simply creates enough of a shock for the person
[01:39:18] touched by it to fall to the ground. The advantage of this,
[01:39:22] according to the company and some law enforcement agencies
[01:39:25] using it, is that it gives officers an
[01:39:28] alternative tool before resorting to a weapon. So
[01:39:31] here's what one retired FBI agent said about it.
[01:39:35] I think it is a useful tool from the beginning of when you
[01:39:38] start law enforcement training, you learn about the force
[01:39:41] continuum. And any agent, law enforcement officer
[01:39:43] carrying out an operation wants to use the least force possible
[01:39:47] to do what they want to do, which is, you know,
[01:39:49] conduct that arrest safely. So there are different tools that
[01:39:53] you have along the way, you know, from verbal commands,
[01:39:56] soft physical controls, hard physical control,
[01:39:58] less lethal all the way up to deadly force.
[01:40:03] And the cost of these gloves, are they,
[01:40:05] as you mentioned already, 10 to $20 million for thousands
[01:40:09] of units if the Department of Homeland Security goes ahead
[01:40:12] with the order that it posted online earlier this week. We've
[01:40:16] mentioned that it is quite controversial. What kind of
[01:40:19] concerns do these electric shock gloves raise?
[01:40:24] What? To begin with, earthy tensions, as you know,
[01:40:27] as we've been reporting, between ICE agents and the
[01:40:30] communities that they patrol are perhaps at the highest
[01:40:33] level it's ever been since this agency was first created back
[01:40:37] in 2003 under President George W Bush post 911,
[01:40:40] when a bunch of different agencies relating to national
[01:40:43] security in the US consolidated to form the Department of
[01:40:47] Homeland Security. And even back then,
[01:40:49] it had many critics worried that this massive,
[01:40:52] powerful agency would trample civil liberties,
[01:40:55] that it's really under Trump and it would be in the 1st and
[01:40:59] 2nd administration that there has been a showdown between ICE
[01:41:03] and the groups that want it abolished. And just this year
[01:41:06] alone, as we've been covering here in
[01:41:09] the US ARTI, there have been several high
[01:41:11] profile clashes, including fatal ones with ICE,
[01:41:14] Renee Good and Alex Predict to name just two. So the idea that
[01:41:19] ICE is getting more weapons, even with claims that it's non
[01:41:23] lethal, is sparking major concerns, as you can
[01:41:26] imagine. Have a listen to one immigration advocate.
[01:41:30] I could list you more than 20 names of individuals that have
[01:41:34] been killed at the hands of ICE agents for no legitimate reason.
[01:41:38] They might be using them against the elderly
[01:41:41] individual, individuals with with heart
[01:41:44] conditions who may have a very significant reaction to an
[01:41:47] electric shock.
[01:41:51] So as you can imagine, earthy, this possible new purchase of
[01:41:55] these tools will just add more fuel to this already fiery
[01:42:00] debate about how much power ICE and ICE agent should have. So
[01:42:05] some have spoken out, arguing that these devices
[01:42:08] actually do hurt. One NYPD officer talking to NPR said
[01:42:12] that he's 63 and 250 lbs and it made him buckle to the ground.
[01:42:17] Other advocates say that ICE has been too quick to use
[01:42:21] force to begin with and that another tool like this would just lead
[01:42:25] to more harm and less accountability. OK, Chris,
[01:42:28] thank you for tracking this for us. That is the CBC's Chris
[01:42:32] Reyes in New York.
[01:42:36] CAROLINE BARGHOUT "CBC NEWS" WASHINGTON. >> NEW DETAILS ARE COMING TO
[01:42:41] WASHINGTON. >> NEW DETAILS ARE COMING TO LIGHT ON THE INVESTIGATION INTO >> NEW DETAILS ARE COMING TO LIGHT ON THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE MASS SHOOTING IN
[01:42:45] LIGHT ON THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE MASS SHOOTING IN TUMBLER RIDGE, B.C., THAT LEFT THE MASS SHOOTING IN TUMBLER RIDGE, B.C., THAT LEFT EIGHT PEOPLE DEAD DOCUMENTS
[01:42:49] TUMBLER RIDGE, B.C., THAT LEFT EIGHT PEOPLE DEAD DOCUMENTS OBTAINED BY "CBC NEWS" AND A
[01:42:51] EIGHT PEOPLE DEAD DOCUMENTS OBTAINED BY "CBC NEWS" AND A CONSORTIUM OF MEDIA OUTLETS ARE
[01:42:53] OBTAINED BY "CBC NEWS" AND A CONSORTIUM OF MEDIA OUTLETS ARE PAINTING A PICTURE OF THE EVENTS
[01:42:55] CONSORTIUM OF MEDIA OUTLETS ARE PAINTING A PICTURE OF THE EVENTS THAT UNFOLDED BACK IN FEBRUARY.
[01:42:57] PAINTING A PICTURE OF THE EVENTS THAT UNFOLDED BACK IN FEBRUARY. BUT AS OUR JESSICA CHUNG TELLS THAT UNFOLDED BACK IN FEBRUARY. BUT AS OUR JESSICA CHUNG TELLS US, KEY DETAILS REMAIN MISSING.
[01:43:01] BUT AS OUR JESSICA CHUNG TELLS US, KEY DETAILS REMAIN MISSING. >> THE NEWLY UNSEALED DOCUMENTS US, KEY DETAILS REMAIN MISSING. >> THE NEWLY UNSEALED DOCUMENTS INCLUDE SEARCH WARRANTS,
[01:43:05] >> THE NEWLY UNSEALED DOCUMENTS INCLUDE SEARCH WARRANTS, PRODUCTION ORDERS, AND SEALING INCLUDE SEARCH WARRANTS, PRODUCTION ORDERS, AND SEALING ORDERS.
[01:43:08] PRODUCTION ORDERS, AND SEALING ORDERS. NOW THE PAGES ARE LARGELY ORDERS. NOW THE PAGES ARE LARGELY REDACTED AS YOU CAN SEE HERE.
[01:43:12] NOW THE PAGES ARE LARGELY REDACTED AS YOU CAN SEE HERE. BUT THEY DO IN PART PROVIDE A
[01:43:14] REDACTED AS YOU CAN SEE HERE. BUT THEY DO IN PART PROVIDE A SNAPSHOT INTO WHAT HAPPENED THAT BUT THEY DO IN PART PROVIDE A SNAPSHOT INTO WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY WHEN A SHOOTER KILLED EIGHT
[01:43:18] SNAPSHOT INTO WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY WHEN A SHOOTER KILLED EIGHT PEOPLE IN TUMBLER RIDGE. DAY WHEN A SHOOTER KILLED EIGHT PEOPLE IN TUMBLER RIDGE. AND WHAT EVIDENCE POLICE SOUGHT
[01:43:22] PEOPLE IN TUMBLER RIDGE. AND WHAT EVIDENCE POLICE SOUGHT IN THEIR INVESTIGATION. AND WHAT EVIDENCE POLICE SOUGHT IN THEIR INVESTIGATION. THE DOCUMENTS SAY, THE MORNING
[01:43:26] IN THEIR INVESTIGATION. THE DOCUMENTS SAY, THE MORNING OF FEBRUARY 10TH, RCMP RESPONDED THE DOCUMENTS SAY, THE MORNING OF FEBRUARY 10TH, RCMP RESPONDED TO A STRING OF 911 CALLS.
[01:43:30] OF FEBRUARY 10TH, RCMP RESPONDED TO A STRING OF 911 CALLS. FIRST AT THE HOME OF THE SHOOTER TO A STRING OF 911 CALLS. FIRST AT THE HOME OF THE SHOOTER WHICH THE DOCUMENTS IDENTIFIED
[01:43:34] FIRST AT THE HOME OF THE SHOOTER WHICH THE DOCUMENTS IDENTIFIED AS 18-YEAR-OLD JESSE VAN WHICH THE DOCUMENTS IDENTIFIED AS 18-YEAR-OLD JESSE VAN ROOTSELAAR.
[01:43:37] AS 18-YEAR-OLD JESSE VAN ROOTSELAAR. ONE CALLER REPORTED TWO DEAD ROOTSELAAR. ONE CALLER REPORTED TWO DEAD BODIES AND SHOTGUN SHELLS ON THE
[01:43:41] ONE CALLER REPORTED TWO DEAD BODIES AND SHOTGUN SHELLS ON THE FLOOR INSIDE THE SUSPECT'S HOME. BODIES AND SHOTGUN SHELLS ON THE FLOOR INSIDE THE SUSPECT'S HOME. THEY THOUGHT THE SUSPECT WAS
[01:43:45] FLOOR INSIDE THE SUSPECT'S HOME. THEY THOUGHT THE SUSPECT WAS ARMED AND HAD LEFT. THEY THOUGHT THE SUSPECT WAS ARMED AND HAD LEFT. THE POLICE ALSO TOOK CALLS
[01:43:49] ARMED AND HAD LEFT. THE POLICE ALSO TOOK CALLS REPORTING A VEHICLE DRIVING THE POLICE ALSO TOOK CALLS REPORTING A VEHICLE DRIVING QUICKLY AND ERRATICALLY FROM THE
[01:43:53] REPORTING A VEHICLE DRIVING QUICKLY AND ERRATICALLY FROM THE HOME TO TUMBLER RIDGE SECONDARY QUICKLY AND ERRATICALLY FROM THE HOME TO TUMBLER RIDGE SECONDARY SCHOOL.
[01:43:57] HOME TO TUMBLER RIDGE SECONDARY SCHOOL. THE DOCUMENT THEN DESCRIBES SCHOOL. THE DOCUMENT THEN DESCRIBES SEQUENCE BY SEQUENCE ACCOUNTING
[01:44:00] THE DOCUMENT THEN DESCRIBES SEQUENCE BY SEQUENCE ACCOUNTING OF OFFICERS ARRIVING ON SCENE
[01:44:02] SEQUENCE BY SEQUENCE ACCOUNTING OF OFFICERS ARRIVING ON SCENE HEARING SHOTS FIRED AND ENTERING
[01:44:05] OF OFFICERS ARRIVING ON SCENE HEARING SHOTS FIRED AND ENTERING THE SCHOOL THE DOCUMENT READS
[01:44:07] HEARING SHOTS FIRED AND ENTERING THE SCHOOL THE DOCUMENT READS POLICE WERE SHOT AT BY THE THE SCHOOL THE DOCUMENT READS POLICE WERE SHOT AT BY THE SUSPECT -- WHICH CAUSED THEM TO
[01:44:11] POLICE WERE SHOT AT BY THE SUSPECT -- WHICH CAUSED THEM TO HOLD WHILE BEING SHOT AT. SUSPECT -- WHICH CAUSED THEM TO HOLD WHILE BEING SHOT AT. OFFICERS RECOUNT FINDING SIX
[01:44:15] HOLD WHILE BEING SHOT AT. OFFICERS RECOUNT FINDING SIX VICTIMS AT THE SCHOOL PLUS THE OFFICERS RECOUNT FINDING SIX VICTIMS AT THE SCHOOL PLUS THE SHOOTER WHO DIED OF A
[01:44:19] VICTIMS AT THE SCHOOL PLUS THE SHOOTER WHO DIED OF A SELF-INFLICTED GUNSHOT WOUND.
[01:44:21] SHOOTER WHO DIED OF A SELF-INFLICTED GUNSHOT WOUND. IT IS NOT CLEAR HOW MUCH TIME
[01:44:23] SELF-INFLICTED GUNSHOT WOUND. IT IS NOT CLEAR HOW MUCH TIME ELAPSED THROUGHOUT THIS SEQUENCE
[01:44:25] IT IS NOT CLEAR HOW MUCH TIME ELAPSED THROUGHOUT THIS SEQUENCE OF EVENTS AS TIME-STAMPS WERE
[01:44:27] ELAPSED THROUGHOUT THIS SEQUENCE OF EVENTS AS TIME-STAMPS WERE REDACTED THE DOCUMENTS ALSO LAID
[01:44:29] OF EVENTS AS TIME-STAMPS WERE REDACTED THE DOCUMENTS ALSO LAID OUT WHAT EVIDENCE POLICE SOUGHT
[01:44:31] REDACTED THE DOCUMENTS ALSO LAID OUT WHAT EVIDENCE POLICE SOUGHT IN THEIR INVESTIGATION -- WHICH OUT WHAT EVIDENCE POLICE SOUGHT IN THEIR INVESTIGATION -- WHICH INCLUDED COMPUTERS CHECKS
[01:44:36] IN THEIR INVESTIGATION -- WHICH INCLUDED COMPUTERS CHECKS CELL PHONES AND CAMERAS THAT MAY INCLUDED COMPUTERS CHECKS CELL PHONES AND CAMERAS THAT MAY HAVE BELONGED TO
[01:44:39] CELL PHONES AND CAMERAS THAT MAY HAVE BELONGED TO JESSE VAN ROOTSELAAR. HAVE BELONGED TO JESSE VAN ROOTSELAAR. IT ALSO OUTLINED WHAT RCMP WAS
[01:44:43] JESSE VAN ROOTSELAAR. IT ALSO OUTLINED WHAT RCMP WAS NOTIFIED OF THE TWO ChatGPT IT ALSO OUTLINED WHAT RCMP WAS NOTIFIED OF THE TWO ChatGPT ACCOUNTS BELIEVED TO BE USED BY
[01:44:47] NOTIFIED OF THE TWO ChatGPT ACCOUNTS BELIEVED TO BE USED BY JESSE VAN ROOTSELAAR. ACCOUNTS BELIEVED TO BE USED BY JESSE VAN ROOTSELAAR. THAT SECTION WAS HEAVILY
[01:44:50] JESSE VAN ROOTSELAAR. THAT SECTION WAS HEAVILY REDACTED WITH NEARLY SEVEN PAGES THAT SECTION WAS HEAVILY REDACTED WITH NEARLY SEVEN PAGES OF TEXT FULLY BLACKED OUT.
[01:44:54] REDACTED WITH NEARLY SEVEN PAGES OF TEXT FULLY BLACKED OUT. BUT IT DOES SAY, "JESSE'S CHAT
[01:44:57] OF TEXT FULLY BLACKED OUT. BUT IT DOES SAY, "JESSE'S CHAT PSC ACCOUNT WAS SUBJECT TO AN
[01:45:00] PSC ACCOUNT WAS SUBJECT TO AN INTERNAL REVIEW IN JUNE OF 2025 AFTER JESSE'S CHAT INTERNAL REVIEW IN JUNE OF 2025 AFTER JESSE'S CHAT CONVERSATION DISCUSSED MATTERS
[01:45:04] AFTER JESSE'S CHAT CONVERSATION DISCUSSED MATTERS THAT COULD BE RELATED TO THE SCL CONVERSATION DISCUSSED MATTERS THAT COULD BE RELATED TO THE SCL SHOOTING.
[01:45:08] THAT COULD BE RELATED TO THE SCL SHOOTING. OPEN A.I. BANNED JESSE'S SHOOTING. OPEN A.I. BANNED JESSE'S ChatGPT ACCOUNT AND DID NOT
[01:45:11] OPEN A.I. BANNED JESSE'S ChatGPT ACCOUNT AND DID NOT NOTIFY POLICE AT THE TIME. ChatGPT ACCOUNT AND DID NOT NOTIFY POLICE AT THE TIME. UP UNTIL THIS POINT, THESE
[01:47:20] ANY OTHER PROVINCE. >> Katie: I'M JOINED NOW BY >> Katie: I'M JOINED NOW BY THE POWER PANEL.
[01:47:23] THE POWER PANEL. SUPRIYA DWIVEDI WAS AN ADVISOR SUPRIYA DWIVEDI WAS AN ADVISOR TO FORMER PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN TO FORMER PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU.
[01:47:27] TRUDEAU. ANDREW THOMSON IS A FORMER ANDREW THOMSON IS A FORMER SASKATCHEWAN NDP CABINET
[01:47:29] SASKATCHEWAN NDP CABINET MINISTER.
[01:47:32] MINISTER. AND HERE WITH ME IN STUDIO AND HERE WITH ME IN STUDIO GARRY KELLER IS A FORMER CHIEF
[01:47:36] GARRY KELLER IS A FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF TO CONSERVATIVE CABINET OF STAFF TO CONSERVATIVE CABINET MINISTER. MINISTER. GARRY, I'LL START WITH YOU
[01:47:40] GARRY, I'LL START WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE IN STUDIO WITH BECAUSE YOU'RE IN STUDIO WITH ME. ME. BASED ON WHAT THE PREMIERS ARE
[01:47:44] BASED ON WHAT THE PREMIERS ARE SAYING, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE SAYING, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE AT LEAST WILLING TO BE OPEN TO AT LEAST WILLING TO BE OPEN TO WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MAY
[01:47:48] WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MAY ASK OF THEM. ASK OF THEM. IS THAT ONE SORT OF OBSTACLE FOY
[01:47:51] IS THAT ONE SORT OF OBSTACLE FOY FOR THE CANADIAN TEAM? FOR THE CANADIAN TEAM? >> I DON'T THINK IT'S OUT OF THE >> I DON'T THINK IT'S OUT OF THE WAY AT ALL.
[01:47:55] WAY AT ALL. THREE WEEKS AGO, DAVID EBY WAS THREE WEEKS AGO, DAVID EBY WAS SAYING COME HELL OR HIGH WATER
[01:47:58] SAYING COME HELL OR HIGH WATER WE ARE NEVER -- NEVER PUTTING WE ARE NEVER -- NEVER PUTTING U.S. BOOZE BACK ON THE SHELVES.
[01:48:01] U.S. BOOZE BACK ON THE SHELVES. AND NOW IT'S, LIKE, BEING -- AND NOW IT'S, LIKE, BEING -- HE'S CLEARLY BEING ASKED TO DO A
[01:48:05] HE'S CLEARLY BEING ASKED TO DO A BIG THING. BIG THING. CHRISTINE FRECHETTE IN QUEBEC
[01:48:08] CHRISTINE FRECHETTE IN QUEBEC ALSO THE SAME THING. ALSO THE SAME THING. QUEBEC WILL ESTABLISH ITS OWN QUEBEC WILL ESTABLISH ITS OWN DESTINY.
[01:48:12] DESTINY. NOW, YOU KNOW, DOUG FORD IN
[01:48:14] NOW, YOU KNOW, DOUG FORD IN ONTARIO WHO HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR
[01:48:16] ONTARIO WHO HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT NO U.S. BOOZE ON THE THAT NO U.S. BOOZE ON THE SHELVES -- AGAIN, THAT KIND OF
[01:48:20] SHELVES -- AGAIN, THAT KIND OF COME HELL OR HIGH WATER APPROACH COME HELL OR HIGH WATER APPROACH WAS HIS APPROACH AND NOW WE'RE
[01:48:24] WAS HIS APPROACH AND NOW WE'RE STARTING TO SAY IF WE GET STARTING TO SAY IF WE GET PROTECTION ON THE OTHER THINGS,
[01:48:27] PROTECTION ON THE OTHER THINGS, WE MIGHT SEE MOVEMENT ON THAT. WE MIGHT SEE MOVEMENT ON THAT. I THINK FOR ME, THE BOOZE BAN IS
[01:48:30] I THINK FOR ME, THE BOOZE BAN IS REALLY INTERESTING -- THE REALLY INTERESTING -- THE ALCOHOL BAN THAT 8 OF THE 10
[01:48:34] ALCOHOL BAN THAT 8 OF THE 10 PROVINCES HAD BECAUSE I THINK PROVINCES HAD BECAUSE I THINK FOR A LOT OF THE CANADIANS IT'S
[01:48:37] FOR A LOT OF THE CANADIANS IT'S BEEN A SIGN OF THE ELBOWS UP BEEN A SIGN OF THE ELBOWS UP APPROACH. APPROACH. IF IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER
[01:48:41] IF IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER CONCESSION TOWARDS DONALD TRUMP, CONCESSION TOWARDS DONALD TRUMP, IT WILL BE VERY INTERESTING TO
[01:48:44] IT WILL BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE CANADIAN PUBLIC OPINION WHO SEE CANADIAN PUBLIC OPINION WHO I THINK FEELS VERY STRONGLY
[01:48:48] I THINK FEELS VERY STRONGLY ABOUT AND MUCH MORE STRONGLY ABOUT AND MUCH MORE STRONGLY ABOUT THE IMPACT MIGHT ACTUALLY
[01:48:51] ABOUT THE IMPACT MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE. HAVE. YES, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF
[01:48:55] YES, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CARPING AMONGST THE KENTUCKY
[01:48:57] CARPING AMONGST THE KENTUCKY BOURBON MANUFACTURERS, AND A LOT
[01:49:01] BOURBON MANUFACTURERS, AND A LOT OF CANADIANS FEEL THE IMPACT.
[01:49:02] OF CANADIANS FEEL THE IMPACT. IF IT GOES THE WAY OF THE DODO
[01:49:05] IF IT GOES THE WAY OF THE DODO BIRD IN THESE NEGOTIATIONS, I BIRD IN THESE NEGOTIATIONS, I WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE THE
[01:49:08] WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE THE CANADIAN REACTION TO THAT. CANADIAN REACTION TO THAT. >> Katie: SUPRIYA, WHAT DO YOU
[01:49:12] >> Katie: SUPRIYA, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF GARRY'S POINT THERE,
[01:49:13] MAKE OF GARRY'S POINT THERE, THAT THE ELBOWS UP, THAT IT IS
[01:49:18] THAT THE ELBOWS UP, THAT IT IS LED BY THAT, SOMETHING THAT MARK
[01:49:22] LED BY THAT, SOMETHING THAT MARK CARNEY CAMPAIGNED ON.
[01:49:26] CARNEY CAMPAIGNED ON. >> AS SOMEONE WHO MISSES >> AS SOMEONE WHO MISSES KENTUCKY BOURBON, I'M GOOD AND
[01:49:29] KENTUCKY BOURBON, I'M GOOD AND MORE THAN OKAY WITH THE KENTUCKY MORE THAN OKAY WITH THE KENTUCKY BOURBON, THE CALIFORNIA WINES,
[01:49:33] BOURBON, THE CALIFORNIA WINES, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE OFF THE
[01:49:36] WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE OFF THE SHELVES AT THE LCBO IN ONTARIO
[01:49:40] SHELVES AT THE LCBO IN ONTARIO AND UNDERSTANDING IT'S A TWAID
[01:49:41] AND UNDERSTANDING IT'S A TWAID TWAIDWAR, AND WAB KINEW SAID IT,
[01:49:47] TWAIDWAR, AND WAB KINEW SAID IT, NO CUSMA NO BOOZEMA, AND WE HAVE NO CUSMA NO BOOZEMA, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE CONCESSIONS THAT THE
[01:49:51] TO MAKE CONCESSIONS THAT THE PREMIERS WOULD HAVE TO WEAR AND PREMIERS WOULD HAVE TO WEAR AND BRING BACK THAT STORY VOTERS AND
[01:49:55] BRING BACK THAT STORY VOTERS AND THEIR CONSTITUENTS. THEIR CONSTITUENTS. WE HAVE TO BE GIVING THEM WE HAVE TO BE GIVING THEM SOMETHING.
[01:49:59] SOMETHING. IT HAS TO BE ENOUGH OF A WIN IT HAS TO BE ENOUGH OF A WIN THAT THE CARNEY GOVERNMENT CAN
[01:50:02] THAT THE CARNEY GOVERNMENT CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, NOT ONLY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, NOT ONLY BRINGING BACK TO THE PREMIERS
[01:50:05] BRINGING BACK TO THE PREMIERS BUT, YOU KNOW, TO GARRY'S POINT, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO GARRY'S POINT, BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE
[01:50:07] BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE CONFIDENT IN THE FACT THAT THE CONFIDENT IN THE FACT THAT THE PUBLIC SENTIMENT WILL BE THERE.
[01:50:11] PUBLIC SENTIMENT WILL BE THERE. I BELIEVE IT WAS NANOS THAT HAD
[01:50:14] I BELIEVE IT WAS NANOS THAT HAD RECENT-ISH NUMBERS ON THIS. RECENT-ISH NUMBERS ON THIS. BUT IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT EVEN
[01:50:17] BUT IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT EVEN IF BOOZE WERE TO GO BACK ON IF BOOZE WERE TO GO BACK ON CANADIAN SHELVES, THE MAJORITY
[01:50:20] CANADIAN SHELVES, THE MAJORITY OF CANADIANS, LIKE HIGH 60'S IN
[01:50:23] OF CANADIANS, LIKE HIGH 60'S IN TERMS OF NUMBERS, WOULDN'T BE TERMS OF NUMBERS, WOULDN'T BE FOR IT AND THEY WOULD STILL
[01:50:27] FOR IT AND THEY WOULD STILL CONTINUE TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW,
[01:50:28] CONTINUE TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW, SHOP WITH THEIR WALLETS AND
[01:50:31] SHOP WITH THEIR WALLETS AND ENSURE THAT CANADIAN DOLLARS GO ENSURE THAT CANADIAN DOLLARS GO TO CANADIAN PRODUCTS.
[01:50:35] TO CANADIAN PRODUCTS. >> I KNOW I'VE BEEN AWAY AND I'M >> I KNOW I'VE BEEN AWAY AND I'M NORMALLY BASED IN WASHINGTON.
[01:50:38] NORMALLY BASED IN WASHINGTON. BUT I HAD NOT HEARD NO CUSMA NO
[01:50:42] BUT I HAD NOT HEARD NO CUSMA NO BOOZEMA.
[01:50:45] BOOZEMA. [CHUCKLING] THAT IS GOING TO [CHUCKLING] THAT IS GOING TO STICK WITH ME.
[01:50:48] STICK WITH ME. ANDREW, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF SORT ANDREW, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF SORT OF THE -- BOTH OF THOSE POINTS
[01:50:51] OF THE -- BOTH OF THOSE POINTS THERE, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE WAY
[01:50:53] THERE, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT CANADIANS MAY REACT IF THIS
[01:50:57] THAT CANADIANS MAY REACT IF THIS HUGE POINT OF LEVERAGE THAT HAS HUGE POINT OF LEVERAGE THAT HAS CLEARLY UPSET THE AMERICANS IS CLEARLY UPSET THE AMERICANS IS ELIMINATED?
[01:51:01] ELIMINATED? >> I THINK SUPRIYA IS RIGHT >> I THINK SUPRIYA IS RIGHT ABOUT THIS.
[01:51:03] ABOUT THIS. THAT EVEN IF THE GOVERNMENTS ARE THAT EVEN IF THE GOVERNMENTS ARE REQUIRED TO PUT IT BACK IN IN
[01:51:07] REQUIRED TO PUT IT BACK IN IN ORDER TO GET A DEAL, I THINK ORDER TO GET A DEAL, I THINK MOST CANADIANS ARE GOING TO
[01:51:10] MOST CANADIANS ARE GOING TO STILL SAY LOOK, IT'S NOT ON.
[01:51:14] STILL SAY LOOK, IT'S NOT ON. AS LONG AS WE SEE THESE KIND OF
[01:51:17] AS LONG AS WE SEE THESE KIND OF UNFAIR TRADE ACTIONS, AS LONG AS UNFAIR TRADE ACTIONS, AS LONG AS WE SEE THE BELLICOSE RHETORIC
[01:51:21] WE SEE THE BELLICOSE RHETORIC COMING OUT OF THE AMERICAN COMING OUT OF THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT, I DON'T THINK THE PRESIDENT, I DON'T THINK THE MOOD OF CANADIANS HAS CHANGED
[01:51:25] MOOD OF CANADIANS HAS CHANGED ANY. ANY. I MEAN THERE'S NO BAN ON US
[01:51:28] I MEAN THERE'S NO BAN ON US TRAVELLING TO THE U.S. TODAY. TRAVELLING TO THE U.S. TODAY. AND YET MANY OF US SIMPLY ARE
[01:51:31] AND YET MANY OF US SIMPLY ARE REFUSING TO. REFUSING TO. EVEN THOUGH WE MIGHT VERY WELL
[01:51:34] EVEN THOUGH WE MIGHT VERY WELL NORMALLY IN THE SUMMER POP DOWN NORMALLY IN THE SUMMER POP DOWN FOR A FEW DAYS.
[01:51:37] FOR A FEW DAYS. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS -- IT PUTS SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS -- IT PUTS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN A BIT
[01:51:40] THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN A BIT OF A PRECARIOUS POSITION IN THAT OF A PRECARIOUS POSITION IN THAT THEY HAVE GOT TO NEGOTIATE A
[01:51:44] THEY HAVE GOT TO NEGOTIATE A DEAL THAT ACCEPTS THE FACT DEAL THAT ACCEPTS THE FACT CANADIANS ARE NOT GOING TO WANT
[01:51:48] CANADIANS ARE NOT GOING TO WANT TO GIVE IN TO A BULLY. TO GIVE IN TO A BULLY. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THEY'VE
[01:51:51] BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THEY'VE GOT TO FIND A DEAL THAT PROTECTS GOT TO FIND A DEAL THAT PROTECTS THE NATIONAL INTEREST.
[01:51:54] THE NATIONAL INTEREST. AND I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE AND I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE THE REAL CHALLENGE IS WHICH OF
[01:51:57] THE REAL CHALLENGE IS WHICH OF THOSE TWO NARRATIVES OR HOW DO THOSE TWO NARRATIVES OR HOW DO THEY SQUARE THE TWO NARRATIVES
[01:52:00] THEY SQUARE THE TWO NARRATIVES SO THEY END UP WITH SOMETHING SO THEY END UP WITH SOMETHING WORKABLE POLITICALLY, AND
[01:52:04] WORKABLE POLITICALLY, AND ACCEPTABLE TO THE TWO ACCEPTABLE TO THE TWO GOVERNMENTS. GOVERNMENTS. >> TO THE POINT THAT ANDREW IS
[01:52:08] >> TO THE POINT THAT ANDREW IS MAKING THERE, GARRY, IF YOU WERE MAKING THERE, GARRY, IF YOU WERE ADVISING PIERRE POILIEVRE, YOU
[01:52:11] ADVISING PIERRE POILIEVRE, YOU KNOW, IF THAT IS THE NEEDLE THAT KNOW, IF THAT IS THE NEEDLE THAT MARK CARNEY IS TRYING TO THREAD,
[01:52:15] MARK CARNEY IS TRYING TO THREAD, ACCEPTABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND ACCEPTABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND ALSO PRACTICALLABLE FOR
[01:52:17] ALSO PRACTICALLABLE FOR BUSINESSES AND WORKERS, HOW WOUD
[01:52:23] BUSINESSES AND WORKERS, HOW WOUD YOU ADVISE PIERRE POILIEVRE TO YOU ADVISE PIERRE POILIEVRE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITUATION AND
[01:52:26] TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITUATION AND PRESS FOR ACCOUNTABILITY? PRESS FOR ACCOUNTABILITY? >> I THINK HE'S BEEN DOING THAT
[01:52:29] >> I THINK HE'S BEEN DOING THAT OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF DAYS, OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF DAYS, NUMBER OF WEEKS. NUMBER OF WEEKS. WE'VE SEEN HIM AND HIS
[01:52:33] WE'VE SEEN HIM AND HIS CANADA/U.S. CRITICS, SHUV
[01:52:35] CANADA/U.S. CRITICS, SHUV MAJUMDAR OUT AND MAKING RIGID MAJUMDAR OUT AND MAKING RIGID POINTS, AND STRONG POINTS ABOUT
[01:52:39] POINTS, AND STRONG POINTS ABOUT THE FACT THAT GOVERNMENT THE FACT THAT GOVERNMENT PREACHED ONE THING AND IT'S
[01:52:42] PREACHED ONE THING AND IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN CONCEDING ON A ACTUALLY BEEN CONCEDING ON A NUMBER OF OTHER FRONTS. NUMBER OF OTHER FRONTS. I THINK IT'S FAIR FOR THE
[01:52:46] I THINK IT'S FAIR FOR THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION TO BE ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS. WHAT IS THE NEXT CONCESSION?
[01:52:50] WHAT IS THE NEXT CONCESSION? IT IS FAIR FOR THEM TO ASK WHAT
[01:52:51] IT IS FAIR FOR THEM TO ASK WHAT ARE CANADA'S EVENTUAL RED LINES?
[01:52:55] ARE CANADA'S EVENTUAL RED LINES? WE'RE SIX DAYS AWAY FROM THE WE'RE SIX DAYS AWAY FROM THE DEADLINE AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN
[01:52:58] DEADLINE AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN EXACTLY WHERE THE RED LINES ARE, EXACTLY WHERE THE RED LINES ARE, AND THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO BE
[01:53:01] AND THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO BE MORE EXPLICIT WITH CANADIANS ON THAT FRONT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS THE LEADER
[01:53:05] AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION, HE HAS A DUTY OF THE OPPOSITION, HE HAS A DUTY TO ASK TOUGH QUESTIONS AND SEE
[01:53:09] TO ASK TOUGH QUESTIONS AND SEE WHAT IS THE NEXT CONCESSION, IF WHAT IS THE NEXT CONCESSION, IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A NEXT
[01:53:12] THERE IS GOING TO BE A NEXT CONCESSION GOING FORWARD. CONCESSION GOING FORWARD. AND I THINK WE HAVEN'T SEEN A
[01:53:15] AND I THINK WE HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF TRANSPARENCY FROM THE LOT OF TRANSPARENCY FROM THE GOVERNMENT ON THIS POINT.
[01:53:18] GOVERNMENT ON THIS POINT. I AGREE YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT I AGREE YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT ALL OF YOUR CARDS ON THE TABLE.
[01:53:21] ALL OF YOUR CARDS ON THE TABLE. BUT, IT'S BEEN QUITE OPAQUE IN BUT, IT'S BEEN QUITE OPAQUE IN THE PROCESS, AND I THINK MORE
[01:53:24] THE PROCESS, AND I THINK MORE OPAQUE THAN THE CUSMA OPAQUE THAN THE CUSMA NEGOTIATIONS IN 2019, WHEN WE
[01:53:28] NEGOTIATIONS IN 2019, WHEN WE WERE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS. WERE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS. WE WERE GETTING MORE INFORMATION
[01:53:31] WE WERE GETTING MORE INFORMATION TTHAN PERHAPS WE ARE NOW.
[01:53:34] TTHAN PERHAPS WE ARE NOW. >> SUPRIYA, IF YOU WERE ADVISING >> SUPRIYA, IF YOU WERE ADVISING THE PRIME MINISTER NOW, AND I
[01:53:37] THE PRIME MINISTER NOW, AND I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT GOES
[01:53:40] ON BEHIND THE SCENES, IF CANADA AND THE U.S. CAN'T GET TO AN AND THE U.S. CAN'T GET TO AN AGREEMENT THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO
[01:53:43] AGREEMENT THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO BOTH COUNTRIES AND GET DONALD BOTH COUNTRIES AND GET DONALD TRUMP TO SIGN OFF ON IT, WHAT
[01:53:46] TRUMP TO SIGN OFF ON IT, WHAT WOULD YOU BE ADVISING PRIME WOULD YOU BE ADVISING PRIME MINISTER CARNEY IN THIS MOMENT
[01:53:50] MINISTER CARNEY IN THIS MOMENT ABOUT OPTIONS FOR WHETHER THERE ABOUT OPTIONS FOR WHETHER THERE IS ADDITIONAL RETALIATION ON THE
[01:53:53] IS ADDITIONAL RETALIATION ON THE TABLE? TABLE? >> YEAH, LOOK, I THINK THE
[01:53:57] >> YEAH, LOOK, I THINK THE APPETITE RIGHT NOW FROM THE APPETITE RIGHT NOW FROM THE CANADIAN PUBLIC IS VERY MUCH
[01:53:59] CANADIAN PUBLIC IS VERY MUCH STILL THAT ELBOWS UP SORT OF STILL THAT ELBOWS UP SORT OF MENTALITY, RIGHT.
[01:54:03] MENTALITY, RIGHT. IF WE HAVE A BULLY THAT IS IF WE HAVE A BULLY THAT IS THREATENING TO CLOCK US IN THE
[01:54:06] THREATENING TO CLOCK US IN THE FACE, WE SHOULDN'T SIT THERE AND FACE, WE SHOULDN'T SIT THERE AND TAKE IT, WE SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE IT, WE SHOULD PROBABLY PUNCH BACK.
[01:54:10] PUNCH BACK. BUT THERE ARE TWO FUNDAMENTAL BUT THERE ARE TWO FUNDAMENTAL UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTHS THAT THE
[01:54:13] UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTHS THAT THE CARNEY HAS TO TEND WITH HERE. CARNEY HAS TO TEND WITH HERE. THE FIRST IS THEY'VE SORT OF
[01:54:16] THE FIRST IS THEY'VE SORT OF PRIMED THE CANADIAN PUBLIC FOR PRIMED THE CANADIAN PUBLIC FOR AND THAT IS NO DEAL IS BETTER
[01:54:19] AND THAT IS NO DEAL IS BETTER THAN A TERRIBLE DEAL, RIGHT, AND THAN A TERRIBLE DEAL, RIGHT, AND THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO
[01:54:22] THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FUNDAMENTALLY SIGN ON TO FUNDAMENTALLY SIGN ON TO SOMETHING THAT ISN'T WITHIN THE
[01:54:25] SOMETHING THAT ISN'T WITHIN THE CANADIAN ECONOMIC INTERESTS. CANADIAN ECONOMIC INTERESTS. AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD.
[01:54:27] AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD. THE SECOND UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTH THE SECOND UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTH HERE IS THIS ADMINISTRATION IS
[01:54:30] HERE IS THIS ADMINISTRATION IS NOT EXACTLY KNOWN FOR OPERATING NOT EXACTLY KNOWN FOR OPERATING IN GOOD FAITH. IN GOOD FAITH. SO EVEN IF WE DO GET A DEAL --
[01:54:34] SO EVEN IF WE DO GET A DEAL -- AND I REALIZE IT'S IMPORTANT TO AND I REALIZE IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET ONE FOR ECONOMIC CERTAINTY
[01:54:37] GET ONE FOR ECONOMIC CERTAINTY AND SECURING CANADIAN JOBS AND AND SECURING CANADIAN JOBS AND THE LIKE.
[01:54:40] THE LIKE. BUT THE REALITY IS ONE POST TO BUT THE REALITY IS ONE POST TO TRUTH SOCIAL COULD UNRAVEL THE
[01:54:43] TRUTH SOCIAL COULD UNRAVEL THE WHOLE THING. WHOLE THING. THERE'S A LEVEL OF UNCERTAINTY
[01:54:46] THERE'S A LEVEL OF UNCERTAINTY THAT IS BAKED IN HERE THAT WE'RE
[01:54:49] NOT REALLY ADDRESSING PUBLICLY WHICH TO GARRY'S POINT I THINK WHICH TO GARRY'S POINT I THINK IS FINE, BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED
[01:54:52] IS FINE, BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED ALL OF THE CARDS OUT ON THE ALL OF THE CARDS OUT ON THE TABLE. TABLE. IDEALLY THE GOVERNMENT KNOWS IT
[01:54:56] IDEALLY THE GOVERNMENT KNOWS IT PRIVATELY, AND PLANNING FOR IT PRIVATELY, AND PLANNING FOR IT ACCORDINGLY. ACCORDINGLY. AT SOME POINT, THEY'RE LIKELY
[01:55:00] AT SOME POINT, THEY'RE LIKELY GOING TO HAVE TO LET THE GOING TO HAVE TO LET THE CANADIAN PUBLIC IN ON SOME OF CANADIAN PUBLIC IN ON SOME OF THAT THINKING.
[01:55:04] THAT THINKING. >> Katie: ANDREW -- DO YOU >> Katie: ANDREW -- DO YOU WANT TO JUMP IN THERE?
[01:55:07] WANT TO JUMP IN THERE? >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I THINK THIS IS THE KEY POINT THAT
[01:55:10] THINK THIS IS THE KEY POINT THAT SUPRIYA RAISES WHICH IS HOW DO SUPRIYA RAISES WHICH IS HOW DO THEY EXPLAIN THIS HAVING NOW
[01:55:13] THEY EXPLAIN THIS HAVING NOW SAID THAT NO DEAL IS BETTER THAN SAID THAT NO DEAL IS BETTER THAN A BAD DEAL.
[01:55:16] A BAD DEAL. IF THEY SIGN A DEAL, THEY ARE IF THEY SIGN A DEAL, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME FORWARD
[01:55:19] GOING TO HAVE TO COME FORWARD AND EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS A GOOD AND EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS A GOOD DEAL.
[01:55:23] DEAL. IN TERMS BETTER THAN WELL, WE
[01:55:24] IN TERMS BETTER THAN WELL, WE WOULD HAVE BEEN BULLYED AND WOULD HAVE BEEN BULLYED AND FACED MORE TARIFFS.
[01:55:28] FACED MORE TARIFFS. TO DATE, THEY'VE NOT BEEN GREAT TO DATE, THEY'VE NOT BEEN GREAT IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO
[01:55:32] IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP EXPLAIN WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP AND THE TRADEOFFS HAVE BEEN WITH AND THE TRADEOFFS HAVE BEEN WITH THE U.S.
[01:55:35] THE U.S. WE SEE THE PROBLEMS WITH THE WE SEE THE PROBLEMS WITH THE GORDIE HOWE BRIDGE DISCUSSION
[01:55:38] GORDIE HOWE BRIDGE DISCUSSION ABOUT EXACTLY HOW THAT WAS ABOUT EXACTLY HOW THAT WAS BALANCED OUT. BALANCED OUT. WHAT WAS THE ULTIMATE BENEFIT.
[01:55:42] WHAT WAS THE ULTIMATE BENEFIT. WHAT WAS THE REASON, WHAT WAS WHAT WAS THE REASON, WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE, WHAT WERE THE THE RATIONALE, WHAT WERE THE DETAILS.
[01:55:46] DETAILS. THAT WAS A REALLY MINOR DISPUTE THAT WAS A REALLY MINOR DISPUTE COMPARED TO WHAT THEY'RE GOING
[01:55:49] COMPARED TO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO
[01:55:50] TO HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO EXPLAIN IF THEY SIGN A DEAL IN
[01:55:53] EXPLAIN IF THEY SIGN A DEAL IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS THAT DOESN'T THE NEXT FEW DAYS THAT DOESN'T ERASE THE SECTION 232 TARIFFS,
[01:55:56] ERASE THE SECTION 232 TARIFFS, IF IT SIMPLY HOLDS IN ABEYANCE
[01:55:59] IF IT SIMPLY HOLDS IN ABEYANCE THE THREAT THAT TRUMP HAS ON THE THE THREAT THAT TRUMP HAS ON THE NEW TARIFFS THAT HE IS LOOKING
[01:56:03] NEW TARIFFS THAT HE IS LOOKING ON AUGUST 19th. ON AUGUST 19th. AND DOESN'T LEAD US ONE STEP
[01:56:07] AND DOESN'T LEAD US ONE STEP CLOSER TO RENEWAL OF CUSMA. CLOSER TO RENEWAL OF CUSMA. AND I THINK THAT'S A REALLY
[01:56:10] AND I THINK THAT'S A REALLY TOUGH SPOT FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO TOUGH SPOT FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO BE IN BECAUSE THEY ARE REALLY
[01:56:13] BE IN BECAUSE THEY ARE REALLY LEFT WITH AN ARGUMENT THAT JUST LEFT WITH AN ARGUMENT THAT JUST SAYS WELL IT WOULD BE WORSE IF
[01:56:16] SAYS WELL IT WOULD BE WORSE IF WE DIDN'T SIGN THIS AND I DON'T WE DIDN'T SIGN THIS AND I DON'T THINK THAT CANADIANS ARE AT THIS
[01:56:20] THINK THAT CANADIANS ARE AT THIS POINT PREPARED TO DO THAT. POINT PREPARED TO DO THAT. ESPECIALLY LOOKING AHEAD TO WHAT
[01:56:23] ESPECIALLY LOOKING AHEAD TO WHAT POTENTIALLY MAY HAPPY WITH THE POTENTIALLY MAY HAPPY WITH THE MID-TERMS.
[01:56:26] MID-TERMS. TRUMP IS A IN A VERY WEAK TRUMP IS A IN A VERY WEAK POSITION GOING INTO THOSE.
[01:56:29] POSITION GOING INTO THOSE. DOES THAT CHANGE THE THINKING IN DOES THAT CHANGE THE THINKING IN WASHINGTON? WASHINGTON? I DON'T KNOW.
[01:56:32] I DON'T KNOW. BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT THE CARNEY GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE
[01:56:36] Power and politics, the scale of the crisis and
[01:56:37] chaos got a day like this. We gotta get to the power panel
[01:56:40] early. Experts and party insiders break it all down.
[01:56:43] This is a shift in the Liberal position. And then the Tories
[01:56:46] are just left to say, well, you're not moving fast and
[01:56:48] making sense of our world. Conditions have gotten pretty
[01:56:51] bad and they look like they're gonna get worse. Can't now walk
[01:56:54] that back because governing is a lot harder than campaigning.
[01:56:57] He's a drag on his own party, extremely difficult choices.
[01:57:00] The Power Panel on Power and politics with David Cochrane today on CBC News.
[02:00:30] [♪♪] >> TONIGHT, DAYS BEFORE A MAJOR
[02:00:32] TRADE DEADLINE CANADA'S
[02:00:35] MINISTER MEETS WITH HIS COUNTERPART IN WASHINGTON.
[02:00:37] >> WE HAD GOOD DISCUSSIONS TODAY, WE WERE CORDIAL, THEY
[02:00:41] WERE DETAILED. THE PRESIDENT AND THE PRIME
[02:00:43] MINISTER, OBVIOUSLY THEY'LL BE
[02:00:48] GIVEN OPTIONS.
[02:00:51] >> Crystal: AS OFFICIALS WORK
[02:00:54] TO GET A DEAL DONE PREMIERS DAOW RED LINES.
[02:00:58] >> WE NEED -- DRAW RED LINES.
[02:01:02] >> PLUS, NEW DETAILS ABOUT THE
[02:01:04] DANGERS OF