CBCNEWS — Marketplace 20260816 013000 UTC 369 transcript segments Original Broadcaster Captioning (Enhanced) Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:01:22] And we begin tonight with the first murder of the year in Dawson Creek. [00:01:27] [Mark] January 2025. [00:01:29] Gunfire rings out in Dawson Creek. [00:01:32] One man is shot at this hotel and survives. [00:01:35] Across the street, [00:01:37] another man shot in an apartment isn't so lucky. [00:01:41] [newscaster] Now, police are not commenting, [00:01:43] but CJDC TV News has learned [00:01:45] Johnny Joel Freeman was murdered. [00:01:48] [Mark] Johnny Joel Freeman, [00:01:50] a local man with a lengthy criminal record. [00:01:53] In this case, the Mounties made an arrest. [00:01:56] 23-year-old Nolan Schmidt was taken into custody [00:01:59] the night of the murder. And yet what finally seemed like a win [00:02:03] for the Mounties was anything but. [00:02:06] I think that he is just an individual [00:02:09] that feels rage [00:02:11] and he doesn't have the proper outlets for it, right? [00:02:14] [Mark] Outreach worker Jan Atkinson believed Schmidt [00:02:17] was a ticking time bomb with mental health issues. [00:02:21] Here's Schmidt when he was a kid [00:02:23] in a video posted on Facebook. [00:02:26] That's three times, bud. Look at this shit. [00:02:29] [Mark] And it was clear to Atkinson years ago, [00:02:32] the ticking time bomb would explode. [00:02:35] I was upset that he had the opportunity [00:02:38] to even be out in the community. He'd been caught with weapons in the car. [00:02:42] He was a drug runner, he's a drug dealer. [Jan] I think he was a drug runner. [00:02:46] He hung around with some bad guys. [00:02:48] He did some really bad things. [00:02:50] [Mark] And one day Atkinson says Schmidt took a run at her [00:02:53] when he was staying at the shelter where she worked. [00:02:56] He was pretty angry with me [00:02:57] and he started running towards me, [00:03:00] and he was pretty hyped up. And were you afraid for your own safety? [00:03:04] Yeah, yeah. [Mark] That's when Atkinson wrote this letter. [00:03:08] Schmidt was going back to jai, [00:03:10] and Atkinson gave the judge a long list of reasons [00:03:13] why he needed to stay there and get help. [00:03:16] "I am begging the courts to remand [00:03:18] Mr. Schmidt into custody," she wrote. [00:03:21] I had written a letter to the judge being like, [00:03:23] "You know, blood's gonna be on your hands." [00:03:28] If he's released back into the community. If he's released back into the community. [00:03:31] What was your fear? [00:03:33] My fear was that he would murder somebody. [00:03:37] ♪ [00:03:42] Do you like coming out here to get a little peace and quiet? [00:03:45] Yeah. Usually there's an engine running, but. [chuckles] [00:03:49] [Mark] Andy Tylosky calls the Peace River region [00:03:52] "the last of the Wild West." [00:03:54] He's a farmhand who grew up here. [00:03:58] He remembers Nolan Schmidt as a kid. [00:04:03] [Andy] I knew his mom from her days as a bartender in Fort St. John. [00:04:06] She always spoke about her son, and she was just proud, as proud as could be, [00:04:10] about this young man. She was the glue in Nolan's life then. [00:04:14] Yeah, yeah, they were very, very close. [00:04:17] [Mark] Until she died when Schmidt was 18. [00:04:21] [Andy] He found her. -What did that do to him? -It just wrecked him. [00:04:27] He lost his sense of hope. The most important thing to him, [00:04:31] the only rock he had in his life. [00:04:32] And he told me at the funeral he just started drinking, [00:04:38] because that was the only way that it kind of numbed the pain. [00:04:41] And he never really stopped. [00:04:44] [Mark] Tylosky remembers years later, Schmidt contacted him from ja. [00:04:48] He had a sentencing hearing and needed to tell the judge [00:04:51] he had a place to stay, so Tylosky showed up [00:04:54] to court to give Schmidt a chance to go straight. [00:04:58] I was gonna provide him a relatively safe environment, [00:05:01] as much as I could. But you, at that point in his life, [00:05:04] -you were his last hope. -Pretty much, yeah. [00:05:08] [Mark] But Tylosky says within a month [00:05:10] things started to fall apart. [00:05:12] -Was he doing drugs? -Oh, he was cracked right out. [00:05:15] As soon as he got his first welfare check, it went right up the pipe. [00:05:19] [Mark] When Tylosky accused Schmidt [00:05:20] of stealing money from him, things got violent. [00:05:23] [Andy] We're driving just from downtown Fort St. John, [00:05:26] just happened to be passing the police detachment [00:05:30] when he pulls my kitchen knife out on me and goes, [00:05:34] "Give me-- Like, you're not gonna do this with me. [00:05:36] I will, you know, kill you," basically. [00:05:41] [Mark] The police in nearby Fort St John [00:05:43] defused the situation and took Schmidt into custody. [00:05:46] At that point, Tylosky thought he was done [00:05:48] with Schmidt for good, assuming he was behind bars. [00:05:51] But then his phone rang. [00:05:53] Two hours later, I get a call from him: "They've released me. [00:05:57] They just wanna get rid of me out of the jail." Like, they didn't wanna deal with him. [00:06:00] But here's a guy... [00:06:03] who is... [00:06:06] a loose cannon, who has mental health issues. [00:06:09] I mean, there's warnings on file about this guy. [00:06:14] -He's pulled a knife on you. -Yeah. [Mark] He's been arrested by the police. [00:06:17] And they just release him and say "Good luck"? [00:06:20] Mm-hmm. Yeah, I guess so. That was that. [00:06:23] We have to remember that police officers are people too, [00:06:26] and nobody likes to work harder than they have to. [00:06:28] [scoffs] I think it's sometimes where it comes down to. Like, he would have been a lot of paperwork, [00:06:32] a lot of trouble for them to deal with. [00:06:36] [Mark] Two days later, Johnny Joel Freeman was shot dead. [00:06:40] Yeah, but it certainly wasn't some sort of coordinated gang attack, I can tell you that much for sure. [00:06:44] [laughs] And I'm lucky in a lot of ways. [00:06:46] -[Mark] Could have been you. -It could have been me. [00:06:51] You know, I think we just all lost a little bit more faith [00:06:54] in the system that we're supposed to trust. [00:06:57] And until we can trust the system, [00:06:59] people aren't gonna have trust in coming forward. [00:07:02] Nothing's gonna happen. -[Mark] Nothing gonna change. -No. [00:07:07] [Mark] Some things never change. [00:07:09] Four months later in Dawson Creek, another murder. [00:07:13] It was mid-April when police discovered an abandoned truck [00:07:17] on this lonely stretch of dirt road southwest of town. [00:07:21] Inside the truck, the body of Emily Ogden. [00:07:25] The RCMP gave her the unlucky distinction: [00:07:28] she was Dawson Creek's murder victim number 13. [00:07:33] That abandoned truck belonged to a well-known drug dealer [00:07:36] in Dawson Creek, and a familiar name to us: [00:07:39] Arron Linklater. It had been just over a year [00:07:43] since five people stormed his house with guns in the middle of the night. [00:07:47] But time hadn't erased Linklater's lasting memory of that violent night. [00:07:52] There was a girl in the situation. [00:07:53] She was laughing at me. I'll never forget her laugh. [00:07:58] [Mark] That girl was Emily Ogden, [00:08:00] Dawson Creek's 13th murder victim. [00:08:03] Let me take you back to the home invasion-- Absolutely. [00:08:06] Because the woman who laughed in your face [00:08:09] -is Emily Ogden. -Yep. She's dead. [00:08:11] She winds up dead and her body's found in your truck. [00:08:14] Yep. My house was broken into and my truck was stolen. [00:08:17] I was drunk, came home. [00:08:19] I had no idea what exactly the circumstances are to it. [00:08:22] I was blown away, 'cause I woke up [00:08:24] really, really intoxicated still. Then I got taken into custody. [00:08:28] I had no idea of all the details. It was like-- [00:08:31] You have no idea that Emily Ogden was dead? -No. -Do you have anything [00:08:35] -to do with her death? -No. But you know that you're a suspect. [00:08:38] -Yeah, prime. -Prime suspect. [00:08:43] But the police aren't the only ones [00:08:45] who think Linklater killed Emily Ogden. [00:08:47] He says everyone in town believes that too, [00:08:50] including Emily's criminal friends. [00:08:53] Do you walk around now with a bulletproof vest? -I do. -Why? [00:08:57] Major Crimes came here and said that my ex-girlfriend and I, [00:09:00] that our lives are directly in jeopardy. [00:09:02] -Somebody wants to kill you. -Yeah. [00:09:05] And I just told them to get in their Jeep, [00:09:08] and I said, "Can you guys go around the block [00:09:10] and park right over by the neighbour's house? [00:09:13] Because that's where the line up to kill me begins. [00:09:15] Get the fuck off my property." [00:09:19] [Mark] By April of 2025, [00:09:21] the police had their hands full in Dawson Creek. [00:09:23] Another unsolved murder, and every indication [00:09:27] the cycle of violence would continue. [00:09:29] We live in a farming community, [00:09:31] but it's like, we have this new generation of entitled children. [00:09:35] -Do you know what I mean? -[Mark] Entitled and armed. [00:09:38] Entitled and armed, and it's just, [00:09:41] I've never seen anything like it. [00:09:45] [Mark] When we come back, we follow a new lead [00:09:47] in the mysterious disappearane of this man from Dawson Creek. [00:09:51] My name is Mark Kelley. I'm with the CBC program The Fifth Estate. [00:09:54] We're asking questions about the disappearance of Cole Hosack. [00:13:17] of Canada's Wild West, then there's a growing need [00:13:20] for a sheriff to ride into town and clean it up. [00:13:26] With 13 homicides in four yea, [00:13:28] Dawson Creek now has a murder rate [00:13:30] 14 times the national average. [00:13:36] Families of the victims continue to wait for answers. [00:13:40] It's a wait that aches. [00:13:44] Take the case of Cole Hosack. [00:13:46] He's been missing for almost two years. [00:13:49] He was passing through Dawson Creek [00:13:51] when he stopped at a bar to ring in the New Year. The police have confirmed [00:13:55] there was an altercation outside the bar. And then what happened? [00:13:59] And then he's just never seen again. [00:14:02] [Mark] But how could he just disappear? Exactly. [00:14:06] [Mark] His mother, Julie Hosack, has been pleading for help, [00:14:09] searching for answers ever since. [00:14:11] I could feel that there's fear in Dawson Creek right from the beginning. [00:14:16] [Mark] The Fifth Estate has learned late last year [00:14:18] the Mounties arrested and questioned a suspect in the case: [00:14:23] Matt Lawton. [00:14:25] We also learned the last persn Cole Hosack called [00:14:28] the night of his disappearance was the same Matt Lawton, [00:14:31] a suspected drug dealer in Dawson Creek. [00:14:35] So we went to Lawton's house armed with questions. [00:14:39] Hey, Matt. My name is Mark Kelley, I'm with the CBC program The Fifth Estate. [00:14:43] We're asking questions about the disappearance of Cole Hosack. [00:14:48] [Mark] His family is looking for answers, [00:14:49] and we are just looking for your help to explain [00:14:52] about what happened that night. [00:14:57] [Mark] He had your phone number. [00:14:59] He made a call to you. It was the last call he made. [00:15:04] [Mark] Why would he have your number? [00:15:09] We don't know where he is, Matt. His family is looking for answers. [00:15:17] [Mark] In the end, the Mounties released Lawton without charg. [00:15:20] The RCMP now say they are treating [00:15:22] Hosack's disappearance as a murder. [00:15:25] The case remains unsolved, and still no sign of his body. [00:15:32] Behind the fear in Dawson Cre, [00:15:34] there is one name that rises above the rest: [00:15:37] Tanner Murray, the infamous repeat offender, [00:15:40] arrested last year with a small arsenal of weapons. [00:15:44] And the more people learn about Murray and his criminal convictions, [00:15:47] the more suspicious they've become. Do you think Tanner Murray had something to do [00:15:51] with Renee's death? No comment. [00:15:56] Are you afraid that commenting on that could get you more death threats? [00:16:00] Yes. 100%. [00:16:04] I don't personally know Tanner. Just what he's done to people. [00:16:09] Which is? [00:16:10] Drugs. You name it. [00:16:14] Well, if you know this, presumably police know this. [community member] Oh, the police know, [00:16:18] but they've got to get the evidence. -Nobody will come forward. -[Mark] Why not? [00:16:21] [community member] They're scared. Yeah, people in town have told us [00:16:25] they don't even wanna mention his name because they fear that [00:16:28] that could mean trouble for them. [00:16:31] What impact does Tanner, [00:16:34] or has Tanner Murray had on the community of Dawson Creek? [00:16:38] I think he's mostly just instilled a real sense of fear. [00:16:40] I think until Tanner, you know, sees some accountability, [00:16:45] I think that that will continue to be an issue. [00:16:49] [Mark] Murray has never been charged with murder, [00:16:52] but his criminal record continues to grow. [00:16:54] This spring, the RCMP in neary Grande Prairie, Alberta, [00:16:58] pulled over an SUV with stolen license plates. [00:17:01] Inside the vehicle? [00:17:03] Tanner Murray, who was wanted for violating his probation. [00:17:07] The RCMP later turned up a guitar case filled with guns [00:17:10] and drugs-- cocaine, fentanyl, methamphetamines-- [00:17:15] and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. [00:17:18] Murray is now being held without bail. [00:17:24] We're here at the courthouse in Grande Prairie, Alberta, [00:17:27] where Tanner Murray is facing a string of criminal charges related to his arrest [00:17:31] with that guitar case full of guns and drugs. [00:17:34] Well, his lawyer made an appearance before a judge [00:17:36] here this morning, saying at this stage, [00:17:38] Murray will not plead guilty. [00:17:40] So that means, much to the relief of the people in Dawson Creek, [00:17:44] Tanner Murray will remain in custody... for now. [00:17:49] While Murray is in jail, his half-brother isn't. [00:17:53] This is Jessie Ray Stevens. [00:17:55] This year, he changed his profile picture to this, [00:17:58] armed with a Beretta pistol. [00:18:00] He was in custody until recently, [00:18:02] when attempted murder charges against him were dropped. [00:18:05] The witness failed to show up and testify. [00:18:09] After Murray's arrest in Grande Prairie, Stevens posted this picture. [00:18:13] It's him with Murray as kids, with an ominous warning... [00:18:29] Also on the receiving end of threats, Arron Linklater, [00:18:33] the drug dealer we interviewed this spring. [00:18:35] He spoke by phone to Fifth Estate producer Timothy Sawa [00:18:38] days before we returned to Dawson Creek this fall. [00:19:19] [Mark] When we went back to speak to Linklater this fall, [00:19:21] we found the RCMP forensics team entering his house. [00:19:27] Day turned to night before we got an indication [00:19:30] about what was happening insi. [00:19:34] We've been outside Arron Linklater's house now [00:19:36] for several hours, waiting for answers. [00:19:39] We weren't sure whether the RCMP had taken him into custody [00:19:42] or charged him with any crimes. [00:19:44] But just minutes ago, the body removal unit arrived, [00:19:48] and it became clear to us, [00:19:49] Arron Linklater would not be leaving his home alive. [00:20:11] [solemn music] [00:20:15] Police are calling his death suspicious. [00:20:18] No one has been charged. [00:20:21] In our interview, Linklater told us how lethal drugs are used [00:20:25] to quietly kill people in Dawson Creek. [00:20:29] Is there a salt shaker in the room? Okay. I'm gonna show you something [00:20:33] about how much carfentanil it takes to kill a human body. [00:20:37] That's enough to kill three people. [00:20:40] So it's an assassin's drug. Guy will come over and party, [00:20:44] make like you're his best fucking friend in the world. "Hey, man, here's a gram for you, [00:20:47] here is a gram for you, and here's gram for you. [00:20:49] But this gram, it's just for you." [00:20:54] [Mark] Despite the threats, one of the last things Linklater told us? [00:20:58] He wasn't gonna run from the fear. [00:21:13] [Mark] We wrapped up our investigation with questions [00:21:15] for the RCMP at their headquarters in Surrey. [00:21:19] This time we're sitting down with Staff Sergeant Kris Clar, [00:21:22] a senior media relations officer in BC. [00:21:25] We spoke with Superintendent Wijayakoon. [00:21:29] He said, "Give us six months, and we will have [00:21:33] a measure of success for the families [00:21:36] in some of these cases." That was one year ago. [00:21:39] Since then, there have been no arrests [00:21:43] in the investigations into the 11 missing or murdered. [00:21:46] There have been no charges. [00:21:48] Is this your measure of success? [00:21:52] So I just actually spoke with Superintendent Wijayakoon [00:21:55] about this very thing. I think he probably regrets adding a timeline there [00:21:59] because we're still hopeful [00:22:02] that we will come to success in some of these investigations, [00:22:06] and I think we're very close to that still. [00:22:09] As you build your cases, [00:22:12] people in town are watching the people [00:22:14] that they suspect are murderers walking free in the community. [00:22:17] I think the biggest misconception here is, [00:22:21] you know, knowing and proving [00:22:24] are two completely different things. [00:22:28] We can say that we know this person did it. [00:22:31] But we need to, and I think more importantly, [00:22:35] prove that in a court of law [00:22:37] and successfully prosecute that [00:22:40] so that the families of the victims do get that justice. [00:22:45] [Mark] We showed the staff sergeant the photo of Jessie Ray Steve, [00:22:48] Tanner Murray's half-brother, pointing a pistol. [00:22:52] What message do you think this picture sends people in the community? [00:22:56] Well, it's obviously a direct threat. [00:22:59] Appears to be a direct threat. [00:23:00] To anyone to speak ill of his brother, [00:23:04] or to testify against his brother, for example. [00:23:09] Well, I wouldn't wanna speculate, but... [00:23:12] it's a general threat. [00:23:17] [Mark] Days before we went to air, [00:23:19] the RCMP found another body, this one in a burned-out vehie [00:23:23] near this area the locals call Dead Man's Curve. [00:23:26] It's the third body discovered here [00:23:29] in this bloody string of violence. [00:23:31] The RCMP is treating this latest case [00:23:33] as yet another homicide, [00:23:36] Dawson Creek's 15th. [00:23:41] Shyann Hambler's two cousins are among [00:23:43] the murdered in Dawson Creek. [00:23:46] There's a lot of fear in this town. [Shyann sobs] [00:23:53] How do you take that fear away? [Shyann] There's somebody behind this, [00:23:57] and somebody has to know something. [00:23:58] I just wish that whoever knows this can come forward. [00:24:02] I'm proud to stand up for them, [00:24:05] because who else is gonna stand for somebody [00:24:08] and say something if it's not me? [00:24:13] [Mark] When you look at the cycle of violence, [00:24:16] which sort of started shortly after [00:24:18] you arrived in Dawson Creek, [00:24:21] do you see it ending any time soon? I do. [00:24:27] You know, I have to have, like, a belief that people are, [00:24:30] you know, gonna do the right thing, and I have to have faith [00:24:33] that people are gonna have a bit more courage, right? [00:24:36] So, yeah. [00:24:40] [birds cawing] [00:24:46] [theme music playing] [00:24:52] Hi there Canada. [00:24:56] The funny, not so funny thing about the [00:24:59] world right now is the thing you maybe didn't see coming. [00:25:04] My favorite word? Tariff. Minimum 10% tariff on [00:25:08] all imports. We're already hearing about layoffs. He is [00:25:12] trying to break us. [00:25:15] So you have questions. How should Canadians be preparing [00:25:19] for that next trip? How seriously are you taking [00:25:22] this threat? How is Hamilton bracing for [00:25:24] tariff impact? And while your elbows have been [00:25:27] up, elbows up, for us it's the sleeves rolled [00:25:30] up. Because you need answers. 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