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[00:00:01] I'm Adrian Arseneau. This is the National Canada's newscast.
[00:00:22] [theme music]
[00:00:29] [Frédéric Zalac] We're overseas, with an extraordinary look
[00:00:33] inside a fraud factory.
[00:00:35] [man]
[00:00:37] [Zalac] Thousands of recordings have been leaked,
[00:00:40] capturing scammers in action. [man 2]
[00:00:44] [Zalac] As they target the life savings
[00:00:46] of unsuspecting Canadians.
[00:00:48] I was stupid to go there, but they are good.
[00:00:52] They know how to ruin your mind.
[00:00:55] [Zalac] Fraudsters who are fearless, even when confronte.
[00:00:58] [Marcel] [Mary]
[00:01:03] [Zalac] Marketplace and Enquête team up to find out
[00:01:06] who, or what, will stop them.
[00:01:08] If there's someone who could fix this,
[00:01:11] is Prime Minister Mark Carney. Why is it still happening?
[00:01:15] This is your Marketplace.
[00:01:17] [dramatic music]
[00:01:21] ♪
[00:01:22] [Zalac] We're on the road in southeastern Ontario,
[00:01:25] on a journey to the centre of a scam...
[00:01:28] [phone ringing] ...to meet a man we've only heard,
[00:01:32] and recorded phone calls, with a woman half a world awa.
[00:01:37] [Marcel] [Mary] -[Marcel] Yes. -[Mary]
[00:01:47] [Zalac] Mary is a scammer,
[00:01:49] using a fake name and stolen photos to identify herself.
[00:01:53] In this call, her victim, Marcel Deschamps,
[00:01:56] realizes she's scamming him.
[00:01:58] [Marcel] -[Mary] Oh, Marcel. -[Marcel]
[00:02:02] [Mary] You will apologize. -[Mary] No, no. -[Marcel]
[00:02:07] [Mary]
[00:02:10] [Marcel]
[00:02:13] [Mary]
[00:02:17] [Marcel] Well...
[00:02:20] [Zalac] We've learned that Mary's real name
[00:02:22] is Mariam Charchian.
[00:02:25] We find her on social media,
[00:02:27] enjoying a lush life at Marcel's expense.
[00:02:31] [Marcel]
[00:02:39] [Mary] [Marcel] [Mary]
[00:02:44] -[Marcel] Yeah, yeah. -[Mary] You don't mean to anyone, oka?
[00:02:47] [Marcel] [Mary] You don't mean to anyone. [Marcel]
[00:02:50] [unsettling music]
[00:02:53] [Zalac] How we found this call, and came to learn so much
[00:02:57] about this case is a story in itself.
[00:03:00] ♪ It begins overseas,
[00:03:03] in the former Soviet Republic of Georgia.
[00:03:06] In the capital, Tbilisi,
[00:03:08] at this building that houses a call centre,
[00:03:11] better described as a fraud factory.
[00:03:15] [Luke]
[00:03:20] [Zalac] An anonymous source is leaking data
[00:03:22] to journalists from inside. [Alex]
[00:03:26] -[woman] Yeah. -[man] Yeah. [Zalac] A million recordings of scammers
[00:03:30] phoning their victims, pretending to be financial advisors.
[00:03:34] [man]
[00:03:39] [Zalac] Leaked screen recordings
[00:03:41] capture their computers in action.
[00:03:44] The scammers' own files detail their deceit
[00:03:47] as they promise big returns through phony investments.
[00:03:51] [woman]
[00:03:57] [Zalac] Canadians are some of their favorite targets.
[00:04:00] [woman]
[00:04:04] ♪
[00:04:06] [Zalac] All this extraordinary data is first leaked
[00:04:10] to Swedish broadcaster, SVT...
[00:04:12] Hey, friends, welcome to the call.
[00:04:15] [Zalac] ...who then shares it with CBC,
[00:04:16] Radio-Canada, and other media outlets.
[00:04:19] At one point, they were just using Western Union.
[00:04:22] [Zalac] We're teaming up,
[00:04:24] along with the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Projt
[00:04:27] to track down the victims, and unmask the scammers.
[00:04:30] [dramatic music]
[00:04:32] [Mary]
[00:04:35] [Marcel]
[00:04:36] [Zalac] We spend weeks analyzing 1,600 calls to Canadian victi,
[00:04:41] and figure out the man in this one is Marcel Descham.
[00:04:45] [Mary]
[00:04:47] [Marcel]
[00:04:50] [Mary] [Marcel]
[00:04:54] [Mary]
[00:04:56] [Marcel]
[00:04:59] ♪
[00:05:04] So, Marcel Deschamps wasn't returning our phone calls,
[00:05:07] wasn't answering our emails.
[00:05:09] So we decided to head here to Alexandria, Ontario,
[00:05:13] to try to find him. And we managed to reach one of his relatives
[00:05:17] who talked to him, and he's agreed to meet us
[00:05:20] at the local Tim Hortons. [traffic rumbling]
[00:05:23] Marcel, Frédéric Zalac from CBC Marketplace.
[00:05:26] We're very happy to have been able to track you down here.
[00:05:30] You weren't answering our calls, though.
[00:05:32] [Marcel] Every day I get phone calls of fraud.
[00:05:34] And for sure, I was-- I thought you guys were fraud, also.
[00:05:38] Like, I-- I was sure you weren't real.
[00:05:41] [Zalac] Marcel Deschamps was a factory foreman,
[00:05:44] who worked hard to build a nest egg for his retirement.
[00:05:49] Those life savings are gone n.
[00:05:51] Stolen through investment sca.
[00:05:54] That used to be my residence. This nice, old Victorian home.
[00:05:58] [somber music] [Zalac] And what happened?
[00:06:01] With the fraud, I had to sell everything,
[00:06:03] and... move to a small apartment,
[00:06:06] a bachelor apartment now.
[00:06:07] ♪
[00:06:10] [Zalac] Marcel lives here, with his regrets.
[00:06:14] [Marcel] My life is totally different now. Totally.
[00:06:16] I lost a lot of trust in people. Faith in people...
[00:06:20] ♪
[00:06:28] ...to trust people.
[00:06:30] [Zalac] Like so many others, Marcel's troubles begin
[00:06:34] with something he sees on Facebook, similar to this.
[00:06:38] Important news for all residents of Canada. Kevin O'Leary is offering you the opportunity
[00:06:42] to earn up to $7,000 Canadian dollars a week.
[00:06:45] [Zalac] It looks like a news story from CTV,
[00:06:48] but it's totally made up, with the help of AI.
[00:06:51] [Kevin O'Leary AI] My goal is simple.
[00:06:58] [Zalac] All you need is a few hundred dollars to join in.
[00:07:05] [Zalac] A more recent trend has fake news reports
[00:07:08] featuring Prime Minister Mark Carney.
[00:07:16] [Zalac] He urges Canadians to sign up for government-bacd
[00:07:20] investment programs, to combat things
[00:07:22] like inflation or tariffs.
[00:07:24] We're proud to support Agentic AI.
[00:07:27] [Zalac] When Canadians do sign up,
[00:07:30] their contact info is immediately sold
[00:07:32] to the overseas fraud factori.
[00:07:34] It was too easy to get in.
[00:07:37] For people at home, don't bite.
[00:07:41] Nothing is real now, and nowadays, on the internet.
[00:07:46] [Zalac] Marcel's losses escalate rapidly.
[00:07:49] He becomes desperate to get his money back. There's always that little hope
[00:07:53] that somebody out there will help you. I guess it's like gambling, right?
[00:07:56] If you're playing cards and you're losing money, well, I'm going to put another 20 in. I'm gonna get it back.
[00:08:00] [Zalac] That's when Mariam Charchian,
[00:08:03] aka Mary Roberts, comes calli.
[00:08:06] [phone ringing]
[00:08:08] She tells Marcel she's a cryptocurrency expert
[00:08:11] who knows how to recover his stolen funds.
[00:08:14] [Mary]
[00:08:22] [Zalac] Mariam works to build trust with Marcel
[00:08:25] using the identity of a real registered financial advisor
[00:08:29] named Mary Roberts.
[00:08:32] She says this passport is her, but it's a fake.
[00:08:36] And when Marcel sends her a photo of himself,
[00:08:39] Mariam, or Mary, gushes that he looks like a teenager.
[00:08:45] In the fraudster's database,
[00:08:47] she notes that, "Marcel has started to love m"
[00:08:51] and that she's asked him for $10,000.
[00:08:55] [phone ringing]
[00:08:58] Those same scammers set their sights
[00:09:01] on Ginette Gauthier of Drummondville, Quebec. [Ginette]
[00:09:05] [man] [Ginette] Good morning to you, too. [man]
[00:09:09] [Ginette] Yes, this is.
[00:09:10] [Zalac] After she, too, responds to an ad
[00:09:13] for an investment scheme supposedly endorsed
[00:09:16] by a Quebec celebrity.
[00:09:18] [Luke]
[00:09:21] [Zalac] Ginette is an accounting technician,
[00:09:23] and her chat with Lucas leads to many more
[00:09:27] that convince her she's cashing in. How did they make you believe
[00:09:30] that you were making a lot of money? With the application,
[00:09:34] I saw my investment goes up,
[00:09:37] uh, really fast.
[00:09:40] [Zalac] That app is, in fact, a fake investment platform
[00:09:44] that shows Ginette fake returns on her money.
[00:09:48] [Ginette, on recording]
[00:09:51] [Luke]
[00:09:57] [Ginette and Luke laugh] [Luke] Okay.
[00:10:09] [Zalac] Ginette is urged to step out of her comfort zoe
[00:10:13] to invest thousands in a projt
[00:10:15] they claim is related to Tesl.
[00:10:17] So when they ask you to put in an extra $3,000,
[00:10:21] what did you do? I gave them the $3,000,
[00:10:25] and on Monday,
[00:10:27] I had $50,000 or $60,000
[00:10:32] on the application. My investments go up-- woo!
[00:10:36] And that's when I said to Lucas,
[00:10:40] I want to withdraw my money, because it was enough for me.
[00:10:45] After that, the nightmare began.
[00:10:49] [Zalac] Coming up, the scammers are upping the ante...
[00:10:53] [man]
[00:10:58] [Zalac] ...as we zero in on them, after the break.
[00:11:01] I mean, we know what's going on in here. -[man] Yes, please, obviously-- -We know that people are being
[00:11:04] -scammed in this building. -[man] Both of you leave, sir.
[00:11:05] ♪
[00:11:12] ♪
[00:11:15] [phone ringing]
[00:11:17] [Luke]
[00:11:19] [Zalac] The pressure is mounting on Ginnette Gauthier
[00:11:22] of Drummondville, Quebec. [Ginette]
[00:11:25] [Luke] [Ginette] Yes.
[00:11:29] [Zalac] She wants to cash out profits
[00:11:31] from an investment she thinks is real,
[00:11:34] but in fact, she's getting scammed.
[00:11:39] [Zalac] These recordings have been leaked from an overseas fraud factor,
[00:11:43] and now they're telling Ginette she needs to pay more.
[00:11:46] [Gauthier]
[00:11:51] The scammers are intimidating, claiming she may be
[00:11:54] under investigation for money laundering in the UK.
[00:11:59] [man]
[00:12:08] The constant demands for money push Ginette
[00:12:12] to the breaking point.
[00:12:14] [man]
[00:12:20] [Gauthier]
[00:12:23] Yeah, so maybe you need to listen to this.
[00:12:51] I cry. I cry all night.
[00:12:55] But I don't want...
[00:12:56] I doesn't want to tell nobody about that.
[00:13:02] What helped you to... This little guy.
[00:13:07] He helped me.
[00:13:10] If Charlot hadn't been here...
[00:13:14] Uh... Maybe me too.
[00:13:19] [Zalac] In total, Ginette loses $20,000,
[00:13:22] half of her yearly income...
[00:13:25] ...to the scam artists working here,
[00:13:29] in the former Soviet Republic of Georgia.
[00:13:33] In a few short years, they've ripped off victims
[00:13:36] to the tune of $50 million.
[00:13:39] Behind us, there's actually a call center of scammers.
[00:13:44] Our colleagues gather in Tbilisi to stake them out.
[00:13:47] It's really strange. How many buildings do you see
[00:13:50] where all the windows are covered?
[00:13:52] Leaked records from inside show at least 85 people
[00:13:56] employed here, by a company calling itself the AK Group.
[00:14:03] We're like 20 metres away from the entrance.
[00:14:06] Our colleagues make their mov. [beeping]
[00:14:12] Hoping to confront the fraud factory's bosses.
[00:14:15] Hi. [journalist] Hi, good morning. Hello.
[00:14:19] -We're looking... -We're from Swedish television. And from ZDF.
[00:14:22] But a security guard won't let them pass.
[00:14:25] I mean, we know what's going on here. We know that people are being scammed.
[00:14:30] We know that people are being scammed in here.
[00:14:35] ♪ A little party never ♪
[00:14:37] If this video is an indicatio, the scammers aren't too worri.
[00:14:42] They celebrate their successes with elaborate parties,
[00:14:46] and with prizes that can include luxury cars.
[00:14:50] Their leader is pictured here on the left,
[00:14:53] a 34-year-old man named Akaki Kevkishvili.
[00:14:58] Fraudster Mariam Charchian, known as Mary Roberts,
[00:15:02] is one of his best.
[00:15:04] She pocketed as much as $29,000 US a month
[00:15:09] by shaking down victims like Marcel Deschamps.
[00:15:13] [Mariam]
[00:15:16] [Marcel]
[00:15:21] Marcel figures out she's playing him.
[00:15:24] But when he demands his money back or else,
[00:15:26] Mariam can only laugh.
[00:16:03] ♪ [Zalac] That laughter...
[00:16:07] [Mariam laughing on recording] doesn't sit well with Chris Sutton
[00:16:11] of the Ontario Provincial Police. [Mariam] You're so stupid.
[00:16:15] [Zalac] He's a special constable with their cyber-enabled fraud team.
[00:16:19] How does it feel to hear her, basically
[00:16:22] laugh at him, but at you guys too,
[00:16:25] by saying, you'll never catch me?
[00:16:27] It's certainly frustrating.
[00:16:31] It's very difficult to hear conversations like that.
[00:16:35] But ultimately, I think for a lot of us,
[00:16:38] myself included, that sort of just adds fuel to the fire.
[00:16:42] [Zalac] Chris's team has managed to disrupt some scams,
[00:16:46] and freeze millions in stolen money. But it isn't easy.
[00:16:50] What do you think is the problem here?
[00:16:53] I think one of the biggest problems in the industry right now is
[00:16:57] that international coordination and international cooperation.
[00:17:00] Even the victims don't play along.
[00:17:03] Most never tell police they've been scammed.
[00:17:06] We need those victim complaints.
[00:17:08] They are sort of our livelihood
[00:17:10] as a starting point for an investigation.
[00:17:13] What are the chances for the victims of getting any funds back?
[00:17:17] While time is of the essence,
[00:17:19] the faster that someone can report,
[00:17:22] there is definitely an increased likelihood.
[00:17:24] But unfortunately, there is no guarantees in this industry.
[00:17:30] After the break, time to confront the minister in char.
[00:17:33] If there's someone who could fix this,
[00:17:36] is Prime Minister Mark Carney.
[00:17:38] Why is it still happening? ♪
[00:17:50] [Zalac] It's the dead of night in Tbilisi,
[00:17:54] And our Georgian colleagues ae ready to confront the top dog
[00:17:58] of a fraud factory that's been scamming Canadians.
[00:18:07] Bodyguards block their path as Akaki Kevkishvili
[00:18:11] takes cover in the back of his SUV.
[00:18:14] ♪
[00:18:18] Clearly, a bigger strategy is needed to fight the fraudster.
[00:18:24] So we're in Ottawa, to ask
[00:18:26] Public Safety Minister Gary Anandasangaree
[00:18:30] what the plan is.
[00:18:32] Canadians are losing their life savings in investment scams,
[00:18:35] that often start with fake articles, with deepfakes.
[00:18:40] I'd like to show you just an example of this.
[00:18:44] We show him how scammers are using AI-generated videos
[00:18:48] of the Prime Minister to attract victims.
[00:18:51] [AI Carney] That's why we're proud to support
[00:18:53] Agentic AI, a breakthrough platform
[00:18:56] that allows Canadians to take part in wealth buildi.
[00:18:59] If there's someone who could fix this,
[00:19:02] is Prime Minister Mark Carney. Why is it still happening?
[00:19:05] This is outrageous.
[00:19:07] The use of fake images and fake narratives.
[00:19:12] There's fraud going on in many parts of the world,
[00:19:15] including Canada, and I'm just dismayed by it.
[00:19:19] Look, we have been investing heavily into fighting fraud.
[00:19:24] So Australia is starting
[00:19:26] to force banks, telecoms and social media
[00:19:31] to stop these ads from getting to consumers.
[00:19:35] Why is Canada not doing the same thing?
[00:19:37] We've had a number of attempts in holding
[00:19:41] our tech companies to account. We have not been quite successful.
[00:19:45] As you're aware, it's quite complicated,
[00:19:49] and oftentimes an issue where we've had a lot of pushback.
[00:19:54] So it is imperative that tech companies play ball.
[00:19:59] 'Cause if you don't force Facebook or the social media
[00:20:02] or the banks to actually do these things, they don't do it.
[00:20:07] Both Meta and Google tell us it's against their policies
[00:20:11] to run ads that are fraudulent or promote scams.
[00:20:15] They say they are taking steps,
[00:20:16] but that scammers are evading their detection.
[00:20:21] Back in Alexandria, Ontario,
[00:20:23] scam victim Marcel Deschamps is taking action of his own.
[00:20:29] Hello, Mariam.
[00:20:31] We find a personal cell phone number
[00:20:34] for fraudster Mariam Charchia.
[00:20:37] So Marcel turns the tables and calls her up.
[00:20:40] It's Marcel. You don't remember me?
[00:20:43] You told me I could never find you.
[00:20:46] I could never reach you.
[00:20:52] Marcel. You don't remember me. Marcel.
[00:20:59] You live in Tbilisi, right? Georgia?
[00:21:07] Are you Mariam Charchian?
[00:21:11] Or are you Mary Roberts?
[00:21:13] Hey, Mariam. You stole money from me.
[00:21:17] We found you. -[beeping] -[system] Call ended.
[00:21:28] [Zalac] As for the fraud factory itse,
[00:21:30] because of our reporting, this location is closed now,
[00:21:34] though we discover the scammers open elsewhere.
[00:21:38] Georgian prosecutors say they're investigating,
[00:21:42] but no arrests have been made.
[00:21:45] And the world over, the calls keep coming.
[00:21:48] -[phone ringing] -[man] Hello? [woman] Hello? [man 2] Hello?
[00:21:51] [man 3] Oh, hello. -[man 4] Hello? -[woman 2] Hello...
[00:22:00] [Tomlinson] Next week, after we investigate...
[00:22:03] We noticed water seeping through the ceiling one day.
[00:22:06] Then the inspection was done. A big-time renovator closes its doors.
[00:22:10] Doesn't look like anyone's here.
[00:22:12] Clients out thousands for projects unfinished.
[00:22:15] They scammed me. That's how I felt. Promises broken.
[00:22:18] Consumers don't have the protection that they think they have.
[00:22:21] So we go overseas.
[00:22:23] We are on our way to Bulgaria.
[00:22:25] Searching for the man behind it all.
[00:22:28] Hello? Ivan Atanasov?
[00:22:31] Next week on your Marketplace.
[00:22:36] ♪
[00:22:51] Hi there, Canada.
[00:22:53] Hi Siri,
[00:22:55] How are you holding up?
[00:23:00] It's been difficult to say the least.
[00:23:04] I intend to resign as party leader, as Prime Minister.
[00:23:10] The funny, not so funny thing about the
[00:23:12] world right now
[00:23:14] is the thing that can consume your thoughts
[00:23:17] is the thing you maybe didn't see coming.
[00:23:22] My favorite word? Tariff
[00:23:25] is going to be cracking down. Minimum 10% tariff on all
[00:23:28] imports. Some contracts are already getting cancelled.
[00:23:31] Facing a potential 25 or even 50% tariff on steel exports.
[00:23:34] We're already hearing about layoffs. Feeling the financial
[00:23:38] pain of Canada's 25% counter tariffs. He believes that
[00:23:41] Canadians would benefit greatly from becoming the 51st state
[00:23:44] when our sovereignty is threatened.
[00:23:47] You do what you can. He is trying to break us. So you have
[00:23:51] questions. How should Canadians be preparing for that next trip?
[00:23:55] What is your plan? How seriously are you taking
[00:23:58] this threat of 100% tariffs on foreign made films?
[00:24:01] A lot of questions. How is Hamilton bracing for tariff
[00:24:04] impact? When we talk about counter
[00:24:07] terrorists, do those affect you? How much does it cost to be
[00:24:10] patriotic when picking items at the grocery store?
[00:24:13] And while your elbows have been up, elbows up.
[00:24:18] For us, it's the sleeves rolled up.
[00:24:21] Because you need answers about your neighborhood, your world,
[00:24:25] your Canada,
[00:24:27] and what it means for all of us to say we are Canadian.
[00:24:35] Our journalists countrywide and all over the world are on the
[00:24:39] case.
[00:24:41] Do you think you're gonna have to close?
[00:24:44] I hate to think about that.
[00:24:52] I'm about 15 kilometers from the Russian border. Where are
[00:24:56] Canada's allies? Where are Canada's markets?
[00:24:59] What is this country's place on the planet?
[00:25:02] It's the uncertainty that's the
[00:25:04] this issue. What is the next thing to happen and what will
[00:25:08] it mean for all of us? We assume that it will be a
[00:25:12] difficult Rd. Canada. We got you and we are right there
[00:25:17] right beside you trying to make sense of it with you.
[00:25:34] Hi there, Canada.
[00:25:38] How are you holding up?
[00:25:42] The funny, not so funny thing about the
[00:25:44] world right now
[00:25:46] is the thing that can consume your thoughts
[00:25:50] is the thing you maybe didn't see coming.
[00:25:54] My favorite word, tariff, minimum 10% tariff on all
[00:25:57] imports. Some contracts are already getting cancelled.
[00:26:01] We're already hearing about layoffs. Feeling the financial
[00:26:04] pain of Canada's 25% counter tariffs. He is trying to break
[00:26:08] us. So you have questions. How should Canadians be preparing
[00:26:12] for that next trip? What is your plan?
[00:26:15] How seriously are you taking this threat of 100% tariffs on
[00:26:19] foreign made films? A lot of questions. How is
[00:26:22] Hamilton bracing for tariff impact?
[00:26:24] How much does it cost to be patriotic when picking items at
[00:26:28] the grocery store? And while your elbows have been
[00:26:31] up, elbows up.
[00:26:34] For us, it's the sleeves rolled up.
[00:26:36] Because you need answers about your neighborhood, your world,
[00:26:41] your Canada,
[00:26:45] our journalist countrywide, and all over the world are on
[00:26:48] the case. Do you think you're going to have to close?
[00:26:52] I hate to think about that.
[00:27:01] Where are Canada's allies? Where are Canada's markets?
[00:27:04] What is this country's place on the planet?
[00:27:07] It's the uncertainty that's the biggest issue. What is the next
[00:27:11] thing to happen and what will it mean for all of us?
[00:27:16] We got you and we are right there right beside you trying
[00:27:21] to make sense of it with you.
[00:28:36] Hi there Canada.
[00:28:40] The funny, not so funny thing about the
[00:28:42] world right now is the thing you maybe didn't see coming.
[00:28:48] My favorite word? Tariff. Minimum 10% tariff on
[00:28:51] all imports. We're already hearing about layoffs. He is
[00:28:56] trying to break us.
[00:28:59] So you have questions. How should Canadians be preparing
[00:29:02] for that next trip? How seriously are you taking
[00:29:05] this threat? How is Hamilton bracing for
[00:29:07] tariff impact? And while your elbows have been
[00:29:10] up, elbows up, for us it's the sleeves rolled
[00:29:13] up. Because you need answers.
[00:29:17] Our journalists countrywide and all over the world are on the
[00:29:22] case. Canada, we got you and we are right
[00:29:25] there, right beside you trying to make
[00:29:28] sense of it with you.
[00:29:36] To truly understand a news story, you need to connect with the people in the moment.
[00:29:40] Everybody's in panic mode, witnessing their struggles and
[00:29:43] resilience.
[00:29:45] I'm OK. This is really my last hurrah. Investigating and
[00:29:49] digging for the fact it's actually a picture of me and
[00:29:52] her, you know? See. Yeah, you can see that for sure.
[00:29:55] That's on her tombstone to get you answers. That's your friend
[00:29:59] and that's you.
[00:30:01] I'm Adrian Arseneau. This is the National Canada's newscast.
[00:30:24] [Steven D'Souza] On this edition of The Fifth Estate... [shouting]
[00:30:26] We're on St. Mary's Bay in Nova Scotia,
[00:30:29] the richest part of Canada's billion dollar lobster industry,
[00:30:33] where there's a war on the water.
[00:30:36] -Go home. -You go home, lady.
[00:30:40] [Steven] Intimidation and frequent threats of violence.
[00:30:42] Places burning down, windows getting smashed in,
[00:30:45] houses being shot up, people getting shot at.
[00:30:48] You hear stories it's a little lawless sometimes around rural Nova Scotia.
[00:30:51] The fight over who gets to fish here
[00:30:53] has left communities bitter and divided. [Matthew] We're not pirates.
[00:30:57] We're not the villains. [Steven] Does racism play a role here? Uh...