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[00:00:22] (♪) >> Adrienne: TONIGHT, AS MARK CARNEY GETS SET FOR A MAJOR
[00:00:26] ADDRESS IN EUROPE, AN HISTORIC OFFER FROM THE HEAD OF THE
[00:00:27] EUROPEAN COMMISSION.
[00:00:32] >> I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU
[00:00:35] ON OPENING THE DOOR FOR CANADA TO BEING THE FIRST ASSOCIATE
[00:00:39] MEMBER OF THE EUROPEAN UNION.
[00:00:43] >> Adrienne: THE CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS AND THE PUSHBACK, INCLUDING A WARNING
[00:00:46] FROM A PROMINENT U.S. SENATOR. >> Reporter: DOES THAT MAKE IT
[00:00:50] HARDER TO GET BACK TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE WITH CANADA TURNING TO EUROPE?
[00:00:52] >> YES, I THINK THAT IT DOES.
[00:00:56] >> Adrienne: PLUS, FILES OBTAINED EXCLUSIVELY BY CBC NEWS
[00:00:59] SHOW THE INNER WORKINGS OF A
[00:01:04] VIOLENT CRIMINAL OPERATION.
[00:01:06] WHAT WE'RE LEARNING ABOUT THE BISHNOI GANG AND A THREATENING LETTER DIRECTED AT CANADA.
[00:01:10] (♪) >>> AND ED SHEERAN'S GLOBAL TOUR
[00:01:13] IS CAUGHT UP IN A DIVISIVE POLITICAL CONTROVERSY.
[00:01:16] >> I CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER
[00:01:18] EXAMPLE WHERE SUCH AN EXODUS HAS
[00:01:20] OCCURRED, BECAUSE OF A STANCE.
[00:01:23] >> Adrienne: THE GROWING BACKLASH OVER THE REMOVAL OF HIS OPENING ACT.
[00:01:35] >> Adrienne: THANKS FOR JOINING US.
[00:01:37] >>> IN A SURPRISE GESTURE THAT
[00:01:41] HAS SPARKED EXCITEMENT AND
[00:01:43] CONFUSION IN CAPITALS ACROSS TWO
[00:01:46] CONTINENTS, THE EUROPEAN UNION HAS ASKED CANADA TO BE ITS FIRST
[00:01:49] ASSOCIATE MEMBER. THE NEWS ALREADY EARNING A
[00:01:51] THREAT FROM THE U.S. PRESIDENT.
[00:01:54] >> President Trump: EUROPE DOES THAT WITH A BAD INTENTION, IF IT'S A GOOD INTENTION, THAT'S FINE. IF IT'S A BAD INTENTION WE'LL PUT VERY HEAVY TARIFFS ON
[00:01:58] EUROPE. >> Adrienne:DESPITE THE DANGER
[00:02:02] OF MORE CHAOS FROM DONALD TRUMP,
[00:02:06] THE EUROPEAN UNION COMMISSION PRESIDENT URSULA von der LEYEN
[00:02:10] EMBRACED CANADA AND ITS PRIME MINISTER IN BRUSSELS, OFFERING WHAT APPEARS TO BE MORE
[00:02:13] THAN MERE PARTNERSHIP, THOUGH NOT FULL MEMBERSHIP.
[00:02:15] A STATUS SO UNIQUE THAT NO ONE IS QUITE CLEAR WHAT IT MEANS.
[00:02:19] WE'LL GET TO THE POTENTIAL FALLOUT FROM THE U.S. IN A MOMENT.
[00:02:28] >> Reporter: THE EUROPEAN UNION
[00:02:29] WENT OUT OF ITS WAY TO SHOW
[00:02:33] CANADA IT WANTS TO OFFERING SOME
[00:02:36] BIG THAT NO OTHER COUNTRY HAS GOTTEN. >> WE THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. [APPLAUSE] >> Reporter: AN HISTORIC
[00:02:39] PROPOSAL DELIVERED DURING A
[00:02:43] STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS TO THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT. >> SO I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH
[00:02:45] YOU ON OPENING THE DOOR FOR
[00:02:48] CANADA TO BEING THE FIRST ASSOCIATE MEMBER OF THE EUROPEAN
[00:02:52] UNION. >> Reporter: IN THE LEAD-UP TO
[00:02:55] THIS VISIT, MARK CARNEY HAD SAID THAT CANADA WASN'T SEEKING E.U. MEMBERSHIP.
[00:02:58] >> WE WANT TO BRING THE
[00:03:00] RELATIONSHIP WITH CANADA TO THE
[00:03:03] HIGHEST LEVEL POSSIBLE. >> Reporter: URSULA von der
[00:03:06] LEYEN SAID THAT THE E.U. AND CANADA WOULD GO FAR BEYOND THE
[00:03:09] CURRENT FREE-TRADE DEAL. >> WE WILL WORK ON ENERGY
[00:03:12] CRITICAL MINERALS AND BATTERIES ON A.I. QUANTUM AND ECONOMIC
[00:03:16] SECURITY.
[00:03:18] THIS IS NOT A PARTNERSHIP AGAINST ANYONE ELSE.
[00:03:21] BUT FOR OUR COMMON STRENGTH.
[00:03:25] >> Reporter: ASSOCIATE MEMBERSHIP DOESN'T CURRENTLY
[00:03:28] EXIST AND HASN'T BEEN DEFINED. BUT NORMALLY E.U. MEMBERS GIVE
[00:03:31] UP SOME LEVEL OF SOVEREIGNTY FOR ACCESS.
[00:03:34] >> WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO BE A
[00:03:36] MEMBER OF THE EUROPEAN UNION, BECAUSE THAT IS A SOVEREIGNTY ISSUE.
[00:03:39] >> Reporter: CANADA'S AMBASSADOR-DESIGNATE TO THE E.U. SAYS THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS
[00:03:43] FOCUSED ON THE DETAILS AND NOT LABELS RIGHT NOW.
[00:03:45] >> AND WE ARE STILL IN THE
[00:03:48] PROCESS OF DEFINING THE SHAPE
[00:03:51] AND DEFINING HOW FAR WE'RE
[00:03:55] GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO. WE HAVE LOTS OF THINGS THAT WE COULD CALL IT.
[00:03:56] >> Reporter: WHILE IN EUROPE,
[00:04:01] CANADA IS ALSO LOOKING TO FORGE CLOSER TIES WITH THE U.K.. CARNEY TAKING IN A SOCCER MATCH WITH THE PRIME MINISTER ANDY BURNHAM, THEIR FIRST MEETING
[00:04:05] SINCE THEY BOTH TOOK OFFICE.
[00:04:07] >> YOU'RE A GREAT PROGRESSIVE LEADER AND WITH WHOM WE SHARE SO
[00:04:11] MANY VALUES. BUT ALSO WITH WHOM WE HAVE A
[00:04:15] SHARED OPPORTUNITY ON DEFENCE COOPERATION, ON TRADE.
[00:04:19] >> Reporter: CARNEY WILL BE BACK IN FRANCE ON THURSDAY TO DELIVER HIS OWN SPEECH AT THE EUROPEAN
[00:04:34] MANCHESTER. >> Adrienne: SO LET'S TURN NOW TO CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT ROSEMARY BARTON.
[00:04:38] SO, ROSIE, ALL SMILES WHEN IT HAPPENED.
[00:04:41] BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION NOW OVER URSULA von der LEYEN'S
[00:04:44] ANNOUNCEMENT?
[00:04:47] >> Rosemary:YEAH, I MEAN, MUCH OF IT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE GOVERNMENT -- THE CANADIAN
[00:04:51] GOVERNMENT HANDLED THE ISSUE TO BE CLEAR, ADRIENNE.
[00:04:53] FROM DENYING REPORTS THAT
[00:04:55] BECOMING AN ASSOCIATE MEMBER OF
[00:04:59] THE EUROPEAN UNION WAS ON THE
[00:05:01] TABLE, AND TO WHAT THE PRIME MINISTER HAS QUALIFIED IT AS.
[00:05:04] THE E.U. DIDN'T HELP MATTERS EITHER IN THE WAY THAT IT WAS PRESENTED IN THAT SPEECH TODAY. SURPRISING EVEN SOME EUROPEAN NATIONS. THE GOVERNMENT HASN'T
[00:05:08] COMMUNICATED ANY OF THIS PARTICULARLY WELL, GIVEN THAT
[00:05:12] THE GOAL IS INTENDED TO BE ABOUT PROTECTING CANADIAN SOVEREIGNTY
[00:05:15] AS OPPOSED TO POTENTIALLY SURRENDERING IT TO THE E.U..
[00:05:19] AND THAT'S, OF COURSE, OPENED THE DOOR TO LOTS OF SPECULATION AND CRITICISM.
[00:05:22] THE CONSERVATIVES IN PARTICULAR
[00:05:24] RAISING THE SPECTRE OF EUROPEAN TAXES AND IMMIGRATION POLICIES.
[00:05:28] SO NOW YOU HAVE THE GOVERNMENT TRYING TO REASSURE PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THIS
[00:05:31] NEW PARTNERSHIP, AND THE SUBSTANCE OF IT, AND, OF COURSE,
[00:05:45] IT UNDEFINED. REALLY COMPLICATED FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE FOR THE E.U. TO ACTUALLY DO.
[00:05:49] IN SOME WAYS THIS MIGHT END UP BEING MORE SYMBOLIC, BUT THE
[00:05:51] GOVERNMENT SAYS THAT IT IS
[00:05:54] NEGOTIATIONS ABOUT A DEEPER
[00:05:56] RELATIONSHIP, POINTING TO SOME ISSUES BEYOND TRADE AND DEFENCE.
[00:06:00] A.I. WOULD BE ONE AND THE ARCTIC. WHATEVER THE TWO COME UP WILL LIKELY BE ANNOUNCED IN THIS
[00:06:01] SUMMIT IN MONTRÉAL NEXT MONTH.
[00:06:14] THAT IS CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT ROSEMARY BARTON IN OTTAWA OF THE.
[00:06:16] >>> NOW CANADA'S PLAN TO DEEPEN
[00:06:19] TIES WITH EUROPE IS FUELING NEW TENSIONS IN WASHINGTON.
[00:06:23] AS KATIE SIMPSON SHOWS US, DONALD TRUMP IS STEPPING UP HIS THREATS TONIGHT WHILE OTHER REPUBLICANS WARN THAT IT COULD
[00:06:26] HURT EFFORTS TO REACH A NEW TRADE DEAL.
[00:06:30] >> WE'RE FROM CANADA -- >> OH, BLESS YOU.
[00:06:34] >> Reporter: PLENTY OF SYMPATHY
[00:06:34] FOR CANADA AMONG LAWMAKERS ON
[00:06:40] CAPITOL HILL WHO WANT THE TRADE WAR TO END. >> I AM, FRANKLY, HEART SICK AT THIS MOMENT IN OUR RELATIONS.
[00:06:43] >> I THINK THAT IT IS WRONG TO HAVE A TRADE WAR WITH CANADA. IT IS NOT IN THE INTEREST OF OUR COUNTRY TO HAVE A TRADE WAR WITH
[00:06:47] CANADA.
[00:06:50] >> I BELIEVE THAT BOTH CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES SHOULD
[00:06:52] RETURN TO THE BARGAINING TABLE.
[00:06:55] >> Reporter: BUT THIS PROMINENT REPUBLICAN SENATOR SAYS THAT
[00:06:58] CANADA COULD MAKE AN ALREADY DIFFICULT SITUATION WORSE BY
[00:07:02] DEEPENING TRADE TIES ELSEWHERE. >> I DO THINK THAT IT WAS
[00:07:05] UNFORTUNATE THAT CANADA IS
[00:07:09] TURNING TO THE EUROPEAN UNION.
[00:07:13] THAT DOESN'T HELP REBUILD THE
[00:07:15] GOOD RELATIONSHIP THAT WE ONCE HAD AND THAT I WANT US TO HAVE AGAIN.
[00:07:19] >> Reporter: DOES THAT MAKE IT HARDER TO GET BACK TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE WITH CANADA TURNING TO EUROPE?
[00:07:22] >> YES, I THINK THAT IT DOES.
[00:07:25] >> Reporter: JUST HOURS AFTER THAT WARNING, PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP LASHED OUT AT CANADA AND
[00:07:28] EUROPE. >> President Trump: I THINK THAT IT'S LAUGHABLE.
[00:07:32] LOOK, THE WHOLE THING WITH CANADA -- CANADA HAS BEEN A
[00:07:35] TERRIBLE TRADE PARTNER.
[00:07:38] AND, NO, I DON'T SEE THAT. AND IF THEY DO THAT, IF I THINK
[00:07:41] THAT IT'S AT ALL A HOSTILE ACT I WILL PUT VERY SERIOUS TARIFFS OR
[00:07:45] STOP TRADING WITH EUROPE. >> Reporter: TRUMP'S TRADE WAR
[00:07:47] AND THE UNCERTAINTY IS WHY THE PRIME MINISTER IS LOOKING TO
[00:07:49] EXPAND MARKETS. A BIND THAT SOME U.S. LAWMAKERS
[00:07:53] UNDERSTAND.
[00:07:55] >> IT IS EMBARRASSING TO BE AN
[00:08:01] AMERICAN SENATOR AT A MOMENT WHEN OUR PRESIDENT CONTINUES TO IMPOSE RECKLESS AND UNFOUNDED
[00:08:04] COSTS ON THE TRUSTED DEEP RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA.
[00:08:08] >> Reporter: SENATOR CHRIS COONS
[00:08:11] IS ORGANIZING A BIPARTISAN
[00:08:15] VISIT TO CANADA, IN HOPES OF REPAIRING THE RELATIONSHIP AND IS BACKING BILLS TO HAVE SOME TARIFFS AGAINST CANADA REPEALED
[00:08:18] AND REFUNDED.
[00:08:22] >> ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN EASE THE BURDEN ON AMERICAN FAMILIES IS REINING IN THE
[00:08:26] ADMINISTRATION AND RESTORING THE TRADE RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE HAVE
[00:08:28] WITH ALLIES.
[00:08:30] >> Reporter:THIS DEMOCRAT CO-SPONSORED ONE OF THE BILLS,
[00:08:33] WHICH IS MORE SYMBOLIC THAN
[00:08:36] SUBSTANTIVE, SINCE IT'S NOT
[00:08:37] LIKELY TO PASS.
[00:08:40] >> GIVE BE THE MAKEUP OF CONGRESS, AND THE FACT THAT
[00:08:43] SPEAKER JOHNSON HAS CEDED HIS
[00:08:47] AUTHORITY TO PRESIDENT TRUMP, IT'S A LONG SHOT. >> Reporter: THESE KIND OF BILLS COULD HAVE A BETTER SHOT AT PASS FIGURE THE DEMOCRATS WIN THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS.
[00:08:50] HOWEVER, DONALD TRUMP HAS ALREADY WARNED THAT HE'LL USE
[00:09:01] >> Adrienne: AND TRUMP IS EXPANDING HIS TRADE MEASURES
[00:09:04] AGAINST CANADA TONIGHT, SIGNING A MEMO AIMED AT RESTRICTING
[00:09:07] CANADIAN GOODS FROM U.S.
[00:09:09] GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS.
[00:09:13] OFFICIALS ARE BEING DIRECTED TO IDENTIFY CANADIAN PRODUCTS THAT
[00:09:16] CAN BE REMOVE FROM THE FEDERAL
[00:09:20] PROCUREMENT SYSTEM. THE U.S. GOVERNMENT BUYS ABOUT $2 BILLION OF CANADIAN PRODUCTS EVERY YEAR.
[00:09:24] >>> WELL, TONIGHT WE HAVE EXCLUSIVE IMAGES OF CRIMINAL GANG ACTIVITY THAT HAS LED TO
[00:09:27] DOZENS OF DEPORTATIONS.
[00:09:30] CBC NEWS HAS OBTAINED VIDEOS AND PHOTOS USED TO IMPLICATE MEMBERS
[00:09:34] OF THE INDIA-BASED BISHNOI GANG.
[00:09:37] LYNDSAY DUNCOMBE HAS DETAILS, INCLUDING THEIR VIOLENT THREAT
[00:09:40] TO TAKE OVER CANADA.
[00:09:42] >>(SPEAKING ALTERNATE LANGUAGE).
[00:09:45] >> Reporter: VIDEOS LIKE THIS
[00:09:47] OFFER AN INSIDE LOOK INTO A CRIMINAL NETWORK THAT HAS THROWN CANADIAN COMMUNITIES INTO
[00:09:51] CRISIS.
[00:09:53] THAT MAN FIRING A HANDGUN NEAR AN EDMONTON HIGHWAY WAS DEPORTED EARLIER THIS YEAR.
[00:09:57] (♪)
[00:10:01] SO WAS THIS MAN. IMAGES TAKEN FROM HIS CELL PHONE
[00:10:05] INCLUDE WHAT APPEARS TO BE AN AUTOMATIC WEAPON.
[00:10:08] BINS THAT LOOK FULL OF BULLETS. AND A SELFIE TAKEN IN FRONT OF A
[00:10:11] BURNING BUILDING.
[00:10:17] THE VIDEOS COME FROM POLICE INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE BISHNOI GANG, LED FROM AN INDIAN JAIL
[00:10:20] CELL BY LAWRENCE BISHNOI.
[00:10:25] THAT GANG OR ITS COPYCATS
[00:10:28] BELIEVED TO BE BEHIND THE CRISIS OF EXTORTIONS AND SHOOTINGS
[00:10:31] TARGETING THE INDO-CANADIAN
[00:10:34] COMMUNITY IN ALBERTA, BRITISH COLUMBIA
[00:10:37] AND ONTARIO. CBC NEWS EXCLUSIVELY RECEIVED
[00:10:40] THE FILES FROM THE IMMIGRATION AND REFUGEE BOARD.
[00:10:44] THE RELEASE INCLUDES THIS
[00:10:48] THREATENING LETTER TO THE ABBOTSFORD POLICE LAST SUMMER FROM LAWRENCE'S GANG FROM INDIA.
[00:10:50] IT SAYS "WE WILL RULE IN CANADA.
[00:10:53] WE HAVE MORE THAN 5,000 GANG MEMBERS IN CANADA.
[00:10:57] THEY CAN DO SHOOTING FOR ONLY 1,000.
[00:10:58] DO NOT TRY TO STOP US."
[00:11:01] >> I THINK THAT IT'S UNSURPRISING. >> Reporter: CRIMINOLOGY
[00:11:05] PROFESSOR WADE DICEMAN SAYS THAT
[00:11:06] THOSE THREATS HAVE CREDIBILITY, BECAUSE THE GANG RECRUITS YOUNG MEN, OFTEN ON STUDENT VISAS.
[00:11:10] >> THEY ARE PREPARED TO DO THIS WORK FOR VERY CHEAP. >> Reporter: ALSO LAST SUMMER,
[00:11:14] THE CANADA BORDER SERVICES
[00:11:15] AGENCY INTENSIFIED EXTORTION INVESTIGATIONS LEADING INTO MORE
[00:11:19] THAN 100 DEPORTATIONS.
[00:11:23] >> THAT THEY ARE ENGAGING IN THAT MANY DEPORTATIONS TELLS ME THAT THEY'RE DOING A COST-BENEFIT
[00:11:26] CALCULUS. THEY CAN'T POSSIBLY PROSECUTE
[00:11:30] ALL OF THOSE CASES. >> Reporter: THAT CHOICE MEANS THAT THOSE INDIVIDUAL CASES ARE
[00:11:33] CLOSED.
[00:11:36] DICEMAN SAYS THAT MAY MAKE IT
[00:11:44] >> Adrienne: THE FEDERAL CONSERVATIVES ARE MEETING IN
[00:11:47] BRITISH COLUMBIA FOR A CAUCUS RETREAT AT A PRETTY DIFFICULT JUNCTURE.
[00:11:51] AS J.P. TASKER SHOWS US, PIERRE
[00:11:52] POILIEVRE FACES DIFFICULT
[00:11:55] POLLING NUMBERS AND QUESTIONS ON WHERE TO TAKE THE PARTY NEXT.
[00:11:59] >> Reporter: IN THE B.C.
[00:12:01] INTERIOR, CONSERVATIVE M.P.s
[00:12:03] GRAPPLE WITH THE
[00:12:11] PARTY'S FUTURE, AFTER A BUMPY SUMMER AND A STRING OF BY-ELECTION LOSSES. >> I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO BE QUITE HONEST, THIS IS NOT THE POSITION THAT WE WANT TO BE IN AT THIS JUNCTURE.
[00:12:15] >> Reporter: THIS M.P. SAYS THAT THE CONSERVATIVE BASE SUPPORTS LEADER PIERRE POILIEVRE.
[00:12:17] >> CONSERVATIVE MEMBERSHIP MADE
[00:12:22] A VERY STRONG DECISION THIS YEAR FOR MR. POILIEVRE TO LEAD OUR
[00:12:23] PARTY.
[00:12:27] AND THAT'S -- THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE'VE TAKEN. [APPLAUSE]
[00:12:31] >> Reporter: BUT OFF-CAMERA, SOME M.P.s TELL CBC NEWS THAT THEY'RE LOSING FAITH IN
[00:12:33] POILIEVRE.
[00:12:36] SOME OF THEM DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR THIS CAUCUS RETREAT TO HEAR HIM SPEAK. >> Pierre Poilievre: I THINK
[00:12:39] THAT OUR SLOGAN WILL BE A LITTLE LESS CONVERSATION AND A LITTLE MORE ACTION.
[00:12:42] >> Reporter: POILIEVRE TRYING TO
[00:12:46] RALLY THE CAUCUS AHEAD OF
[00:12:50] PARLIAMENT'S RETURN NEXT WEEK, PROMISING TO TAKE ON THE PRIME MINISTER FOR PERCEIVED FAILURES TO SUPPORT
[00:12:53] WORKING PEOPLE. >> Pierre Poilievre: WHO SPEAKS FOR THEM? SHOULD WE SHUT UP ABOUT THEIR STORIES UNTIL DONALD TRUMP GOES AWAY?
[00:12:56] NO.
[00:13:03] >> Reporter:A RECENT ABACUS DATA POLL SHOWS
[00:13:07] THAT THE LIBERALS HAVE A COMMANDING 14-POINT LEAD NATIONWIDE. >> THE CONSERVATIVE SUPPORT IS DOWN CLOSE TO ITS LOWEST LEVEL THAT IT'S BEEN IN ALMOST A DECADE.
[00:13:10] >> Reporter: THIS POLLSTER SAYS THAT PRIME MINISTER MARK CARNEY
[00:13:13] IS GETTING A BIG BOOST WITH HIS
[00:13:15] HANDLING OF THE U.S. TRADE WAR
[00:13:18] AND HAS MOVED TO SLASH TAXES AND TURBO CHARGE ENERGY
[00:13:21] DEVELOPMENT AND EVEN EARNED HIM PRAISE FROM A FORMER
[00:13:22] CONSERVATIVE PRIME MINISTER.
[00:13:27] >> I BELIEVE THAT CANADA'S NEW GOVERNMENT IS COMMITTED TO FURTHER REFORMS IN THESE AREAS.
[00:13:28] AND COMMITTED TO THEIR URGENCY.
[00:13:31] >> Reporter: SUPPORT DISMISSED BY SOME AS HARPER IS SPEAKING NOT AS A PARTY STANDARD BEARER
[00:13:35] BUT AS A BUSINESSMAN. >> I THINK THAT HE DID THE RIGHT
[00:13:38] THING AS THE CHAIRMAN OF AN ALBERTA PENSION FUND AND AS THE
[00:13:42] C.E.O. OF A CONSULTING AND
[00:13:44] LOBBYING COMPANY TO TALK ABOUT INVESTMENT CLIMATE.
[00:13:47] >> Reporter: WHILE SOME M.P.s
[00:13:49] HAVE SOURED ON POILIEVRE AS
[00:13:52] LEADER, A NUMBER OF PARTY AND
[00:14:00] PENTICTON, B.C.
[00:14:03] >> Adrienne:THERE ARE NEW NUMBERS TONIGHT TO IMPACT THE
[00:14:06] UPCOMING REFERENDUM IN ALBERTA.
[00:14:08] A REPORT PUTS THE PRICE OF
[00:14:10] INDEPENDENCE IN THE TENS OF BILLIONS PER YEAR. JULIA WONG BRINGS US THE FIGURES
[00:14:14] AND THE REACTION.
[00:14:16] >> STAND UP FOR A STRONG AND -- >> SOVEREIGN ALBERTA. >> WITHIN A UNITED CANADA. >> Reporter: AS THE ALBERTA
[00:14:20] GOVERNMENT STARTS RUNNING ADS ABOUT THE UPCOMING REFERENDUM, A
[00:14:22] NEW REPORT LAYS OUT THE
[00:14:25] POTENTIAL COST OF SEPARATION.
[00:14:29] AS MUCH AS $170 BILLION OVER FIVE YEARS.
[00:14:31] IT SAYS THAT IN A WORST-CASE
[00:14:35] SCENARIO, ALBERTA'S G.D.P. COULD
[00:14:37] DROP BY ABOUT 10%.
[00:14:41] THE ANNUAL WAGES COULD SHRINK BY CLOSE TO $5500 AND THE DEBT
[00:14:42] COULD GROW BY $327 BILLION.
[00:14:45] IN A SCENARIO WHERE THINGS GO SMOOTHLY, G.D.P. COULD FALL BY
[00:14:48] ABOUT 2%.
[00:14:50] THOSE WAGES COULD DROP BY ABOUT
[00:14:52] $1,200 A PERSON AND ALBERTA'S DEBT COULD INCREASE BY $209
[00:14:56] BILLION.
[00:14:58] >> A LOT OF PAIN UPFRONT, NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF GAIN.
[00:15:01] >> Reporter: THOSE PUSHING FOR ALBERTA TO LEAVE SAY THAT THE
[00:15:04] UNCERTAINTY IS WORTH IT.
[00:15:07] >> THE QUESTION IS ARE WE MORE AFRAID OF WHAT'S COMING WITH THE LIBERALS IN POWER? OR ARE WE MORE AFRAID OF BEING
[00:15:11] SELF-SUFFICIENT? BECAUSE EITHER WAY THERE'S RISKS.
[00:15:14] >> Reporter: THOSE CAMPAIGNING
[00:15:16] TO STAY IN CANADA BELIEVE THAT
[00:15:22] THE COSTS COULD BE EVEN HIGHER. >> THERE'S SO MANY ASSUMPTIONS AND AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE
[00:15:25] REPORT IT SAYS, UM, WE'RE NOT SURE.
[00:15:28] WE'RE NOT SURE IF THIS IS RIGHT OR NOT, BUT THIS IS THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO.
[00:15:32] I THINK THAT IS THE STATEMENT THAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON. >> Reporter: ALBERTA'S PREMIER
[00:15:35] POINTING TO THE COSTS AND SAYING IT'S UP TO VOTERS TO MAKE UP
[00:15:37] THEIR MINDS.
[00:15:40] >> IT'S NOT INCONSEQUENTIAL THE AMOUNT OF DEBT THAT WE'D HAVE TO
[00:15:42] TAKE ON.
[00:15:45] I AM PERSONALLY OF THE VIEW THAT THINGS ARE GOING SO WELL AND WE HAVE
[00:15:48] ADDRESSED SO MANY THINGS HOLDING ALBERTA BACK. >> Reporter: THIS POLITICAL SCIENTIST SAYS THAT THE PROVINCE HAS NOT CAMPAIGNED STRONGLY FOR
[00:15:52] THE STAY VOTE.
[00:15:56] >> THEY WERE ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN MAKING A STRONG CAMPAIGN FOR ALBERTA TO REMAIN PART OF
[00:16:00] CANADA, THEY WOULD BE SAYING EXACTLY THAT ON ALL OF THEIR MESSAGING AND ALL OF THEIR AD
[00:16:03] BUYING. >> Reporter: AS THE VOTE LOOMS,
[00:16:06] CAMPAIGNS ON BOTH SIDES ARE
[00:16:16] >> Adrienne: THREE PEOPLE ARE DEAD AFTER A NEWS HELICOPTER CRASHED IN LOS ANGELES.
[00:16:18] [SIRENS]
[00:16:24] THE CHOPPER WAS COVERING A DEADLY BUS COLLISION ON TUESDAY NIGHT WHEN IT WENT DOWN,
[00:16:27] BURSTING INTO FLAMES, SENDING THICK SMOKE INTO THE AIR.
[00:16:30] THE PILOT AND A PHOTOJOURNALIST WERE KILLED, ALONG WITH ONE
[00:16:33] PERSON ON THE GROUND. TWO OTHERS WERE TAKEN TO HOSPITAL.
[00:16:37] IT IS NOT YET CLEAR WHAT CAUSED THAT CRASH.
[00:16:40] >>> WELL, AS THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION CONTINUES ITS
[00:16:43] CRACKDOWN ON IMMIGRATION, FEAR AND ANXIETY HAVE BEEN GRIPPING
[00:16:47] COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE U.S. DEPORTATION FEARS HAVE SOME
[00:16:50] LOOKING NORTH.
[00:16:52] IDIL MUSSA IS IN OHIO WITH
[00:16:56] THE DISTURBING DETAILS OF A YOUNG HAITIAN MAN WHO REACHED A BREAKING POINT.
[00:17:00] >> HE SHOULD STILL BE HERE.
[00:17:00] >> Reporter: IT'S HARD FOR YOLA
[00:17:06] LAMARRE TO LOOK AT PHOTOS OF HER FRIEND PIERRE DAMAS BEL
[00:17:10] AFTER HAVING FACED HUMILIATION
[00:17:11] AFTER HAVING BEEN FORCED BY U.S.
[00:17:15] IMMIGRATION OFFICIALS TO WEAR AN
[00:17:18] ANKLE MONITOR, HE WALKED INTO
[00:17:21] ONCOMING TRAFFIC. >> HE JUST WANTED ACCEPTANCE AND HE JUST WANTED TO BE TREATED AS WHO HE WAS.
[00:17:25] >> Reporter: THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ENDED TEMPORARY PROTECTED STATUS FOR MORE THAN
[00:17:29] 300,000 HAITIANS IN JULY.
[00:17:35] NOW THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY IS RAMPING UP
[00:17:38] DEPORTATIONS AND BRAGGING ABOUT IT.
[00:17:41] SHOWING HAITIANS IN THIS VIDEO SHACKLED AS THEY ARE FORCIBLY
[00:17:44] DEPORTED.
[00:17:48] THE FEAR OF SCENES LIKE THIS, I.C.E. DETENTION AND
[00:17:52] DEPORTATION, IS NOW KEEPING MANY
[00:17:53] HAITIANS OFF THE STREETS.
[00:17:57] CARL RUBY IS A PASTOR IN SPRINGFIELD, OHIO, WHERE NEARLY ONE IN FIVE RESIDENTS IS
[00:18:00] HAITIAN.
[00:18:04] HE HAS ALSO SPOKEN PUBLICLY ON BEHALF OF PIERRE'S FAMILY.
[00:18:06] >> IT'S TOO DANGEROUS FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THE STATE
[00:18:09] DEPARTMENT TO EVEN WALK DOWN THE STREET IN PORT-au-PRINCE AND
[00:18:12] YET WE'RE SENDING PEOPLE BACK.
[00:18:17] IT RANKS UP THERE WITH THE WAY THAT WE TREATED SLAVES.
[00:18:19] IT RANKS UP THERE WITH JAPANESE
[00:18:22] INTERNMENT CAMPS, HOW WE TREATED INDIGENOUS NATIVE AMERICANS.
[00:18:26] >> Reporter: IN A STATEMENT, DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
[00:18:29] SAID IN PART THAT TEMPORARY PROTECTED STATUS IS EXACTLY
[00:18:32] THAT -- TEMPORARY. SOME HAITIANS OUT OF DESPERATION
[00:18:36] ARE CONSIDERING FLEEING TO CANADA. BUT THIS ADVOCATE WARNS --
[00:18:40] >> UNFORTUNATELY, MANY OF THE
[00:18:43] PEOPLE WHO HAVE TRIED TO FLEE
[00:18:47] THE U.S. INTO CANADA HAVE BEEN PUSHED BACK INTO THE U.S. BY THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT.
[00:18:50] >> Reporter: SHE'S URGING CANADA TO OPEN UP MORE HUMANITARIAN
[00:18:54] PATHWAYS FOR THOSE ESCAPING THE U.S.
[00:19:12] HELP IS AVAILABLE 24 HOURS A DAY.
[00:19:15] >>> WELL, AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL IS CALLING FOR JUSTICE TONIGHT
[00:19:18] FOUR YEARS AFTER THE DEATH OF A WOMAN IN IRAN SPARKED NATIONWIDE
[00:19:21] PROTESTS FOR WOMEN'S RIGHTS. HUNDREDS WERE KILLED IN THE
[00:19:24] CRACKDOWN THAT FOLLOWED. MARGARET EVANS NOW WITH THE NEW PUSH FOR ACCOUNTABILITY.
[00:19:28] [CHANTING]
[00:19:31] >> Reporter: THE FLAMES OF
[00:19:32] PROTEST ACROSS CITIES IN IRAN,
[00:19:36] LIT AFTER THE DEATH AND POLICE CUSTODY OF MAHSA AMINI FOUR
[00:19:39] YEARS AGO, AND SPARKING THE
[00:19:43] WOMAN LIFE FREEDOM UPRISING.
[00:19:49] SOON A BRUTAL CRACKDOWN BY
[00:19:50] SECURITY FORCES.
[00:19:53] IT IS A PATTERN THAT IS DESTINED TO REPEAT, SAYS AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL, UNLESS THE WORLD
[00:19:57] DOES MORE.
[00:20:00] >> WE KNOW THAT THE SECURITY
[00:20:03] COUNCIL IS PARALYSED BY ITS OWN ACTION. BUT WE BELIEVE THAT IT IS
[00:20:07] IMPORTANT TO REMIND THE WORLD THAT IRAN SHOULD BE AT THE
[00:20:11] INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT.
[00:20:18] >> Reporter:AS A STARTING
[00:20:19] POINT, AMNESTY HAS NAMED 87
[00:20:24] IRANIAN OFFICIALS THAT IT HOLDS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATHS OF HUNDREDS KILLED AT THE PROTESTS
[00:20:26] OVER AMINI'S DEATH IN 2022.
[00:20:28] >> I AM REALLY SUFFERING --
[00:20:32] >> Reporter: HER MOTHER WAS ONE
[00:20:33] OF THEM.
[00:20:38] MAJIDI WAS JUST 62 YEARS OLD WHN
[00:20:42] SHE WAS KILLED. >> MY MOTHER HAS GOT SHOT IN THE STREETS. I DIDN'T LOSE JUST A MOTHER, SHE WAS MY BEST FRIEND, SHE WAS MY
[00:20:45] TEACHER.
[00:20:48] >> ALL OF THESE ONES --
[00:20:51] >> Reporter: AMNESTY'S RAHANI
[00:20:55] ARGUES THAT TOOTHLESS INTERNATIONAL CONDEMNATION OF
[00:20:59] IRAN'S HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES SIMPLY PROPS UP THE REGIME,
[00:21:00] SENDING THE WRONG MESSAGE.
[00:21:03] >> IT HAS EMBOLDENED THE IRANIAN
[00:21:04] AUTHORITIES TO INTENSIFY THE USE
[00:21:08] OF FIREARMS TO CRUSH DISSENT AND
[00:21:12] TO DISBURSE AND IT TERRORIZE A
[00:21:13] CIVILIAN POPULATION. >> Reporter: SHE POINTS TO THE THOUSANDS OF ANTI-GOVERNMENT
[00:21:17] PROTESTERS THAT WERE KILLED BY IRANIAN SECURITY FORCES IN
[00:21:19] JANUARY.
[00:21:22] AND THEIR EVER TIGHTENING GRIP
[00:21:30] >> Adrienne: BACKLASH IS GROWING AGAINST ONE OF THE WORLD'S
[00:21:33] BIGGEST MUSICAL STARS. >> IT'S GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE WHERE PEOPLE
[00:21:37] STAND. WILL ED SHEERAN CHANGE HIS MIND?
[00:21:40] >> Adrienne: THE LATEST ACTS TO LEAVE ED SHEERAN'S TOUR NEXT.
[00:21:42] (♪) >>> AND CANADA MAKES A BIG A.I.
[00:21:46] INVESTMENT. >> SAFETY IS OUR NUMBER ONE CONCERN.
[00:22:00] MAKING. >> THEY EACH HAVE THE SAME PHOTO. >> Adrienne: WE'RE BACK TWO.
[00:24:11] >> Adrienne: THOSE ARE RESCUERS DIGGING THROUGH THE RUBBLE OF A
[00:24:14] BUILDING THAT COLLAPSED IN GAZA CITY, KILLING OVER 20 PEOPLE WHO
[00:24:17] WERE JUST IN THEIR SLEEP, INCLUDING SEVERAL CHILDREN.
[00:24:20] THE STRUCTURE HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN DAMAGED BY ISRAELI STRIKES,
[00:24:24] BUT AID GROUPS SAY THAT FAMILIES WERE SHELTERING THERE, DESPITE KNOWING THE RISK OF IT
[00:24:28] CRUMBLING, BECAUSE THERE IS NOWHERE ELSE FOR THEM TO GO.
[00:24:31] THE REALITY FOR THOUSANDS OF
[00:24:36] OTHER DISPLACED PALESTINIANS IN THE STRIP. >>> AND IT IS OPINIONS OF THE
[00:24:39] WAR IN GAZA THAT IS CAUSING SOME CHAOS FAR AWAY.
[00:24:43] IT IS ED SHEERAN'S TOUR THAT IS NOW WITHOUT ITS SUPPORTING ACTS.
[00:24:46] THEY ALL QUIT AFTER RAPPER MACKLEMORE SAID THAT HE WAS
[00:24:49] DROPPED AS AN OPENER OVER HIS
[00:24:51] OPINIONS ON THE WAR IN GAZA.
[00:24:55] DEANA SUMANAC-JOHNSON WALKS US
[00:24:57] THROUGH THE FALLOUT. >> Reporter: CONTROVERSY HAS
[00:25:01] OVERTAKEN ED SHEERAN'S TOUR
[00:25:04] AFTER POLITICAL STATEMENTS FROM HIS OPENING ACT. >> ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I
[00:25:08] WANTED TO COME ON THIS TOUR IS BECAUSE I WANTED TO STAND UP
[00:25:10] HERE ON STAGES AND STADIUMS
[00:25:14] ACROSS AMERICA AND SAY TWO WORDS
[00:25:16] THAT ARE VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART.
[00:25:19] FREE PALESTINE. [Cheers and Applause]
[00:25:23] >> Reporter: RAPPER MACKLEMORE WENT ON TO CALL THE WAR IN GAZA
[00:25:26] A GENOCIDE, SOMETHING THAT THE STATE OF ISRAEL DENIES.
[00:25:29] ON MONDAY, MACKLEMORE ANNOUNCED THAT HE WAS KICKED OFF OF THE REST OF SHEERAN'S U.S. TOUR
[00:25:33] BECAUSE OF HIS POLITICS.
[00:25:36] THE NFL TEAM AND STADIUM OWNER ROBERT KRAFT SAID THAT HE
[00:25:39] WOULDN'T HAVE MACKLEMORE PERFORM AT HIS VENUE OUTSIDE OF BOSTON.
[00:25:43] KRAFT SAID THAT HE WAS UPSET
[00:25:44] ABOUT MACKLEMORE'S HISTORY.
[00:25:48] IN 2014, THE RAPPER WAS ACCUSED OF
[00:25:52] WEARING AN ANTI-SEMITIC COSTUME ON STAGE AND MACKLEMORE APOLOGISED.
[00:25:54] (♪)
[00:26:01] THE TOUR HEADLINER IN THE MIDDLE AS ED SHEERAN SPOKE OUT ON TUESDAY IN A SOCIAL MEDIA POST SAYING "I HAVE MY PERSONAL VIEW ON THIS
[00:26:05] DEVASTATING CONFLICT.
[00:26:07] JUST BECAUSE I CHOOSE TO NOT SPEAK PUBLICLY, IT DOES NOT MEAN
[00:26:10] THAT I DON'T HAVE THEM."
[00:26:12] BUT THAT DIDN'T STOP THE BACKLASH. HIS OTHER OPENING ACTS AND EVEN
[00:26:16] HIS BACKING BAND CHOSE TO LEAVE THE TOUR.
[00:26:20] >> I CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHERE SUCH AN EXODUS HAS
[00:26:23] OCCURRED BECAUSE OF A STANCE THAT THE HEADLINING ARTIST AND
[00:26:25] HIS MANAGEMENT TEAM TOOK.
[00:26:29] >> Reporter: THIS U.K.-BASED POP CULTURE WRITER SAYS THAT
[00:26:32] SHEERAN'S TOUR WILL LIKELY GO ON, BUT THAT HIS ATTEMPT AT
[00:26:35] NEUTRALITY COULD BACKFIRE. >> IT'S GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE WHERE PEOPLE
[00:26:39] STAND. WILL ED SHEERAN CHANGE HIS MIND?
[00:26:42] WILL HE SAY SOMETHING ELSE? WILL HE REMAIN SILENT? BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE
[00:26:45] THAT ARE GOING TO WATCH HIM FOR A LONG TIME AND WANT TO KNOW. >> Reporter: MACKLEMORE SAYS
[00:26:49] THAT HE'S DONATING ONE MILLION DOLLARS OF HIS TOUR MONEY TO ORGANIZATIONS HELPING
[00:26:52] PALESTINIANS.
[00:26:55] KRAFT SAYS THAT HE'S IN TALKS
[00:27:06] IN SUPPORT OF AID IN THE REGION. DEANA SUMANAC-JOHNSON, CBC NEWS, TORONTO. >> Adrienne: WARNINGS ARE PILING UP ABOUT THE DANGERS OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND
[00:27:10] THEY'RE COMING FROM THE VERY PEOPLE WHO HELPED TO BUILD THE
[00:27:12] TECHNOLOGY.
[00:27:16] >> IT IS AN INTELLIGENCE EXPLOSION.
[00:27:18] THE A.I. JUST GETS SMARTER AND SMARTER WITH NO HUMAN INVOLVEMENT NECESSARY.
[00:27:22] >> Adrienne: SO COULD A.I. REALLY WIPE OUT HUMANITY?
[00:27:24] WE DIVE INTO IT NEXT.
[00:27:27] >>> AND TRACKING THE CLIMATE
[00:27:31] PATTERN KNOWN AS A SUPER EL NINO. >> Reporter: I HAVE BEEN TRACKING EL NINO FOR YEARS, BUT THESE NUMBERS --
[00:30:18] >> Adrienne: SO THIS WAS THE SCENE OUTSIDE OF TWO A.I. COMPANIES IN MONTRÉAL LAST NIGHT.
[00:30:21] VANDALIZED BY WHAT POLICE SUSPECT IS A GROUP OF ABOUT 10
[00:30:24] PEOPLE. THIS IS ALL HAPPENING AMIDST
[00:30:27] RISING FEARS AND DISTRUST ABOUT
[00:30:30] THE FUTURE OF THE TECHNOLOGY. AND AS THE CITY HOSTED A TWO-DAY
[00:30:33] SUMMIT ON ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE WHERE CANADA
[00:30:36] ANNOUNCED A PARTNERSHIP WITH
[00:30:39] GERMANY TO INVEST AND COMBINE
[00:30:41] $300 MILLION IN THE NON-PROFIT
[00:30:43] A.I. START-UP LAW ZERO. >> WE ARE HERE TODAY, NOT
[00:30:47] BECAUSE WE'RE RESPONDING TO YESTERDAY'S HEADLINE, BUT
[00:30:50] BECAUSE WE'RE RESPONDING TO THE
[00:30:53] PHILOSOPHIC POSITION THAT WE HAVE TAKEN, WHICH IS BUILD
[00:30:55] RESPONSIBLY AND SAFELY.
[00:30:59] >> Adrienne: SO LAW ZERO IS LED
[00:31:01] BY THE A.I. RESEARCHER YOSHUA BENGIO, WHO IS PROMISING SAFE
[00:31:05] AND TRANSPARENT A.I. AND IT'S BORN OUT OF GROWING CONCERNS
[00:31:08] THAT THE TECHNOLOGY IS MOVING
[00:31:10] TOO FAR, TOO FAST, AND THREATENS
[00:31:13] EXISTENCE AS WE KNOW IT. SO HOW REAL THAT RISK IS, WHAT
[00:31:17] SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT IT, WHO SHOULD DO IT -- ARE ALL OPEN TO DEBATE.
[00:31:21] BUT THERE'S ANOTHER BASIC QUESTION. ANDREW CHANG LOOKS TO ANSWER WHY
[00:31:24] WOULD A.I. DO IT. >> Andrew: OKAY, LET'S JUST CUT
[00:31:27] RIGHT TO IT. BY NOW YOU'VE HEARD THE WARNINGS.
[00:31:31] >> AN A.I. RESEARCHER WARNING THAT THE TECHNOLOGY COULD KILL
[00:31:34] US ALL WITHIN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
[00:31:37] >> SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT REAL, BUT IT IS FRIGHTENINGLY REAL.
[00:31:41] >> Andrew: THAT IS JACOB COXON
[00:31:43] WHO IS ALSO THIS JACOB COXON WHO
[00:31:47] QUIT ONE OF THE FOREMOST A.I. COMPANIES IN THE U.S. BECAUSE HE WRITES "THE PEOPLE BUILDING A.I. EARNESTLY BELIEVE
[00:31:50] THAT IT COULD KILL US ALL BY THE END OF THE DECADE."
[00:31:54] >> YOU GET AN INTELLIGENCE EXPLOSION.
[00:31:57] THE A.I. JUST GETS SMARTER AND SMARTER WITH NO
[00:32:01] HUMAN INVOLVEMENT NECESSARY. >> Andrew: EVEN COXON'S TOP BOSS
[00:32:04] HAS AGREED THAT AT LEAST IN PRINCIPLE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE
[00:32:07] SOME KIND OF SPEED CHECK, OR
[00:32:08] ELSE BRACE FOR IMPACT.
[00:32:12] NOW WHEN PEOPLE TRY TO EXPLAIN HOW EXACTLY THIS RESULTS IN THE
[00:32:15] EXTINCTION OF HUMANITY, YOU
[00:32:18] EITHER GET SOME EXAGGERATED
[00:32:19] VERSION OF "TERMINATOR."
[00:32:23] "SKY NET" AND THEY HAVE JUST DECIDED TO KILL, OR IT'S A BIT
[00:32:27] MORE SUBTLE THAN THAT -- IT'S MORE OF A "WHAT IF."
[00:32:30] WHAT IF A.I. HACKS THE MAINFRAME
[00:32:33] AND TURNS OFF THE WATER. OR SHUTS DOWN THE INTERNET.
[00:32:37] OR FIRES A NUKE, OR SOMEHOW
[00:32:40] UNLEASHES A HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS AND EXTREMELY DEADLY
[00:32:43] VIRUS. WHAT IS USUALLY MISSING FROM THESE EXPLANATIONS IS A PLAUSIBLE WHY.
[00:32:46] AS IN NOT JUST HOW DOES AN INTEGRATED AUTONOMOUS A.I. SUPER
[00:32:50] INTELLIGENCE KILL US ALL, BUT WHY WOULD IT WANT TO?
[00:32:53] (♪)
[00:32:59] LET ME START BY BEING CLEAR THAT
[00:33:02] MY INTENTION HERE IS NOT TO SCREAM THE SKY IS FALLING.
[00:33:05] IT'S JUST TO HELP YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHY THOSE WHO FEAR
[00:33:07] THE WORST DO.
[00:33:11] SO AT THE CORE OF WHAT A.I. RESEARCHERS FEAR ABOUT THE
[00:33:14] LIGHTSPEED PACE OF THEIR WORK IS
[00:33:17] THIS QUESTION OF ALIGNMENT. I HAVE SEEN IT DEFINED ALL SORTS
[00:33:21] OF WAYS, BUT I TEND TO THINK ABOUT IT WHETHER AN A.I. CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT
[00:33:24] I SAY AND WHAT I MEAN.
[00:33:28] THE MISCHIEVOUS GENIE TROPE IS KIND OF THE CLASSIC EXAMPLE,
[00:33:31] WHERE YOU WISH FOR A MILLION
[00:33:34] BUCKS, EXCEPT THE GENIE IS LIKE
[00:33:36] OKAY, AND THEN YOU GET TRAMPLED
[00:33:39] TO DEATH BY A MILLION BUCKS,
[00:33:42] MEANING MALE DEER. THIS "CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR" MORALITY TALE IS AS OLD AS TIME.
[00:33:46] AND IT COMES ABOUT WHEN THERE'S NOT ENOUGH HUMAN COMMON SENSE
[00:33:49] BAKED INTO ACHIEVING A GOAL.
[00:33:54] IT IS KING MIDAS WISHING FOR
[00:33:57] EVERYTHING THAT HE TOUCHES TO TURN TO GOLD. >> GOLD! IT WORKED! EVERYTHING THAT I TOUCH WILL
[00:34:01] TURN INTO GOLD. >> Andrew: ONLY TO REALIZE THAT
[00:34:04] HAVING A FAMILY FULL OF STATUES
[00:34:08] ISN'T GREAT. AND IT'S THE CENTURY OLD STORY OF THE MONKEY'S PAW, WHERE A MYSTERIOUS SOLDIER BESTOWS A
[00:34:11] GIFT UPON A FAMILY.
[00:34:15] A LITERAL MOSQUEY'S PAW.
[00:34:17] IT GRANTS THREE WISHES, AND THE
[00:34:20] FATHER OF THE FAMILY WISHES FOR £200 BRITISH POUNDS AND NOTHING HAPPENS THOUGH UNTIL THE NEXT DAY WHEN SOMEONE FROM THE
[00:34:24] FACTORY WHERE HIS SON WORKS GIVES HIM TERRIBLE NEWS -- HE
[00:34:26] WAS KILLED IN AN ACCIDENT. THE COMPENSATION THAT THE
[00:34:30] COMPANY IS WILLING TO PAY --
[00:34:31] £200 POUNDS. THIS IS ALL JUST MAGIC AND
[00:34:35] STORIES THOUGH.
[00:34:36] LET'S MAKE IT REAL.
[00:34:39] IMAGINE THAT YOU GIVE YOUR A.I. PERSONAL ASSISTANT A SIMPLE INSTRUCTION.
[00:34:42] I'D LIKE TO GO TO JAPAN, PLEASE FIND ME THE CHEAPEST FLIGHT
[00:34:44] AVAILABLE.
[00:34:46] A REASONABLE HUMAN ASSISTANT
[00:34:49] MIGHT SPEND SOME TIME FIGURING
[00:34:52] OUT THE BEST POSSIBLE DATES AND TIMES TO FLY. CHECK AVAILABILITY FOR YOU.
[00:34:56] COMPARE PRICES. AND THEN SETTLE ON SOMETHING THAT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD FIT FOR YOUR STANDARDS AND YOUR TRAVEL
[00:34:59] WINDOW AND YOUR BUDGET.
[00:35:02] BUT AN A.I. AGENT THAT IS ONLY FOCUSED ON COMPLETING YOUR TASK
[00:35:06] MIGHT GET YOU A REALLY CHEAP TICKET BY BOOKING YOU ON A
[00:35:08] TERRIBLE AIRLINE. OR MAYBE EVEN ONE THAT HAS A
[00:35:11] TERRIBLE SAFETY RECORD. A MORE AGGRESSIVE A.I. AGENT
[00:35:15] MIGHT CALL THE AIRLINE ON YOUR BEHALF AND TRY TO HAGGLE A
[00:35:17] BETTER PRICE. MAYBE THE AIRLINE REFUSES AND SO
[00:35:21] THE A.I. GETS ANGRY AND THREATENS VIOLENCE, BLACKMAILS
[00:35:24] THEM INTO GIVING YOU A BETTER PRICE.
[00:35:28] OR MAYBE YOUR A.I. AGENT GOES
[00:35:29] ANOTHER ROUTE -- IT HACKS INTO THE AIRLINE'S BOOKING SYSTEM,
[00:35:33] DELETES A PASSENGER FROM EXISTENCE AND THEN RE-WRITES
[00:35:36] THEIR TICKET IN YOUR NAME. TOTAL COST TO YOU? ZERO DOLLARS.
[00:35:40] MISSION COMPLETE. SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAS ALREADY
[00:35:42] HAPPENED, BY THE WAY.
[00:35:46] IN AUSTRALIA, WHEN THIS GUY ASKED THE A.I. ASSISTANT THAT HE
[00:35:50] WAS TESTING TO BOOK HIM INTO A HARD-TO-BOOK GYM CLASS -- THE
[00:35:52] RESULT?
[00:35:54] THE A.I. FOUND A LOOPHOLE AND
[00:35:57] EXPLOITING A SOFTWARE BUG AND BOOKING HIM FURTHER IN ADVANCE
[00:36:00] THAN THE RULES ALLOWED AND THEN HERE'S THE CRAZY PART -- IT
[00:36:04] MOVED HIM UP ON THE WAIT LIST BY DELETING SOMEONE ELSE WHO WAS
[00:36:06] AHEAD OF HIM. THIS IS MISALIGNMENT.
[00:36:10] OBEDIENCE WITHOUT REAL UNDERSTANDING.
[00:36:13] >> THE DIFFICULTY WITH THIS
[00:36:16] CONCEPT OF ALIGNMENT IS THAT
[00:36:18] IT'S NOT REALLY POSSIBLE FOR A.I. SYSTEMS TO KNOW WHAT WE
[00:36:22] WANT THE FUTURE TO BE LIKE.
[00:36:25] IN FACT, MANY OF US DON'T KNOW WHAT WE OURSELVES WANT THE FUTURE TO BE LIKE, LET ALONE
[00:36:29] OTHER PEOPLE.
[00:36:31] >> Andrew: YES, THAT LAST PART IS WHY THE PROBLEM OF ALIGNMENT
[00:36:33] IS SO HARD TO SOLVE. NEVER MIND HOW YOU ARTICULATE
[00:36:37] THE VALUES OF HUMANITY WHERE
[00:36:38] GOOD JUDGMENT IS REQUIRED.
[00:36:44] HOW DO WE EVEN AGREE ON WHAT THOSE VALUES ARE?
[00:36:47] BUT LET'S GO ONE STEP FURTHER BY
[00:36:49] ASKING -- WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
[00:36:52] ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS GIVEN
[00:36:54] HARDER AND HARDER TASKS THAT
[00:36:57] REQUIRE MORE POWER, MORE ACCESS, AND MAYBE EVEN MORE SACRIFICES TO SOLVE.
[00:37:00] (♪)
[00:37:08] BY NOW YOU HAVE HEARD ABOUT THE OpenAI HUGGING FACE HACK.
[00:37:12] IT'S ONE OF THE CLEAREST AND THE MORE RECENT EXAMPLES THAT WE
[00:37:16] HAVE OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU
[00:37:19] GIVE MISALIGNED A.I. PERSISTENCE AND CLEVERNESS.
[00:37:23] AND THEY START WORKING TOGETHER, EVEN WHEN THEY'RE NOT EXPLICITLY
[00:37:26] ALLOWED TO.
[00:37:28] >> ChatGPT MAKER OpenAI SAYS THAT ONE OF THEIR A.I. SYSTEMS
[00:37:32] HACKED INTO ANOTHER A.I. COMPANY ON ITS OWN. >> THE MODEL ESCAPED A CLOSED
[00:37:35] TESTING ENVIRONMENT WITH NO INTERNET ACCESS AND MANAGED TO
[00:37:39] HACK THE START-UP HUGGING FACE.
[00:37:41] >> THE WHOLE PROCESS IS DESIGNED
[00:37:44] TO TEST THE BOUNDARIES OF A.I.. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE SYSTEM WENT WAY BEYOND WHAT WAS
[00:37:47] EXPECTED. >> Andrew: THIS PAST SUMMER,
[00:37:51] OpenAI RAN A CYBERSECURITY TEST WITH ITS MODELS.
[00:37:54] IT ASSIGNED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF
[00:38:01] ITS A.I. AGENTS, EACH IN THEIR OWN ISOLATED TESTING ENVIRONMENTS, WITHOUT INTERNET ACCESS AND
[00:38:05] WITHOUT PERMISSION TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER. THE TASK? THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF THEM, BUT
[00:38:08] THE BASIC IDEA WAS TO EXPLOIT A SPECIFIC VULNERABILITY IN A
[00:38:11] SPECIFIC PROGRAMME.
[00:38:15] AND THIS WAS MEANT TO BE BEYOND DIFFICULT. IN SOME CASES THE TASKS WERE
[00:38:17] EVEN IMPOSSIBLE.
[00:38:21] SO WITHIN HOURS, SOME AGENTS
[00:38:22] BEGAN THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE
[00:38:26] PARAMETERS OF THE ASSIGNMENT AND ONE WAY THEY DID THIS WAS TO
[00:38:29] BEGIN COMMUNICATING WITH OTHER AGENTS ON AN UNSANCTIONED
[00:38:32] MESSAGE BOARD. AGAIN, THIS WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO
[00:38:36] BE A COLLABORATIVE EXERCISE.
[00:38:39] YET MORE THAN 70,000 MESSAGES WENT BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN AGENTS.
[00:38:44] AND THIS IS WHERE IT GETS REALLY TECHNICAL, BUT THE AGENTS
[00:38:47] BASICALLY FOUND A WAY TO CHEAT THE PROBLEM, WHICH CREATED AN
[00:38:51] ALL NEW PROBLEM. HOW DO YOU GET AWAY WITH THE
[00:38:53] CHEATING?
[00:38:56] THE AGENTS IN SOME CASES HID THEIR TRACKS, MANIPULATED THEIR
[00:39:00] LOGS AND EVEN TRIED TO RE-WRITE THEM. SOME BEGAN RECRUITING
[00:39:04] SACRIFICIAL AGENTS AND
[00:39:05] ENCOURAGING THE OTHER TEST TAKERS TO RUN RISKY CODE,
[00:39:10] FAILING THE ASSIGNMENT, BUT IN THE PROCESS GAINING VERY VALUABLE INFORMATION ABOUT THE
[00:39:13] SCORING SYSTEM FOR THE COLLECTIVE.
[00:39:17] THAT IS TO SAY THE AGENTS STILL WORKING ON THE PROBLEM.
[00:39:20] HUNDREDS OF THEM EVEN MANAGED TO
[00:39:21] BREAK OUT INTO THE REAL WORLD.
[00:39:25] THEY FIGURED OUT HOW TO ACCESS THE FULL OPEN INTERNET AND THEY
[00:39:29] WOUND UP HACKING INTO A SITE
[00:39:30] CALLED HUGGING FACE WHICH IS
[00:39:34] LIKE AN A.I. LIBRARY, LABORATORY AND SUPPLY ROOM ALL IN ONE.
[00:39:38] IF YOU KNOW WHAT GitHub IS,
[00:39:42] IT'S LIKE THE GitHub OF A.I.
[00:39:44] JUST THIS VAST REPOSITORY AND
[00:39:48] SHARING RESOURCE FOR A.I. MODELS AND DATASETS AND SO ON. WHY WOULD THEY HACK HUGGING FACE?
[00:39:51] BECAUSE IT WAS HERE THAT THE AGENTS THOUGHT THAT THEY MIGHT FIND MORE CLUES ABOUT HOW THE
[00:39:54] SCORING SYSTEM WORKED. SO THEY COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO
[00:39:57] FOOL IT. SO CONFRONTED WITH AN IMPOSSIBLE
[00:40:01] PROBLEM, THEY PUT THE MAJORITY OF THEIR EFFORT INTO FIGURING
[00:40:05] OUT HOW TO DECEIVE THE TEST GIVER INTO THINKING THEY HAD
[00:40:07] SUCCEEDED. AND THEY DID ALL OF THIS WITHOUT
[00:40:11] TELLING ANYONE ELSE BUT THEMSELVES.
[00:40:14] >> DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY KNEW THEY WERE DOING WRONG, NONE OF THEM CONFESSED.
[00:40:18] THEY COULD HAVE AT ANY POINT
[00:40:19] SENT AN E-MAIL TO A HUMAN AND
[00:40:23] SAYING, HEY, WE ARE ALL CHEATING
[00:40:25] ON THIS TEST THAT YOU GAVE US.
[00:40:27] WE ARE STEALING INFORMATION AND
[00:40:33] BREAKING THE LAW. THEY DIDN'T SAY ANY OF THAT AND SO THEY'RE VERY, VERY MISALIGNED. >> Andrew: THIS EXPERIMENT GONE
[00:40:37] AWRY IS ABOUT A FEW THINGS. IT'S ABOUT MISALIGNMENT, YES. AND THIS FUNDAMENTAL WAY IN WHICH A.I. AND HUMANITY DON'T ALWAYS THINK ALIKE.
[00:40:40] AND IT'S ALSO ABOUT HOW FAR YOU
[00:40:42] CAN TAKE THIS MISALIGNMENT AND
[00:40:45] HOW A SUFFICIENTLY CLEVER AGENT
[00:40:47] CAN THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX AND
[00:40:49] RE-WRITING CODE AND STEALING CREDENTIALS AND HIDING ITS
[00:40:52] ACTIONS TO AVOID UNDERMINING ADMISSION THAT IT CAN'T COMPLETE
[00:40:55] OTHERWISE. BUT THIS HUGGING FACE INCIDENT
[00:40:58] IS ALSO ABOUT HOW ANY INTELLIGENCE WITH ENOUGH
[00:41:01] PERSISTENCE TO SOLVE A PROBLEM
[00:41:04] MIGHT TEND TO SEEK OUT POWER.
[00:41:06] >> THE HUGGING FACE EXAMPLE IS A
[00:41:09] PERFECT CASE FOR HOW A.I. BEHAVED IN A WAY WHERE IT SOUGHT
[00:41:13] OUT THE ANSWER, BUT NOT IN A WAY THAT WE INTENDED. >> THEY'RE NOT TELLING THEM
[00:41:16] EXACTLY WHAT TO DO, RIGHT. SO IF YOU SAY "SOLVE THIS
[00:41:20] PROBLEM," GET THE ANSWER TO THIS
[00:41:24] PROBLEM, YOU COULD MINE DO THAT WITHOUT CHEATING.
[00:41:28] AND YOU COULD MEAN TO DO IT BY
[00:41:31] ANY MEANS NECESSARY. >> Andrew: ACCESSING THE OPEN INTERNET, EVEN WHEN TESTING
[00:41:35] ENVIRONMENT WOULDN'T ALLOW FOR IT -- IT WAS JUST A PLAY FOR MORE KNOWLEDGE, RIGHT? SO THE AGENTS COULD SCORE BETTER RESULT. IT'S NOT EVIL.
[00:41:39] IT'S NOT A LUST FOR POWER.
[00:41:44] IT'S DOING WHATEVER IS REQUIRED TO DO WHAT WE ASKED OF IT. >> THE OpenAI AGENTS THAT
[00:41:47] ATTACKED HUGGING FACE WERE NOT
[00:41:49] CONSCIOUS AND THEY WERE JUST
[00:41:51] COMPUTER PROGRAMMES CARRYING OUT
[00:41:54] TO SOME EXTENT THE TASK THAT
[00:41:57] THEY BELIEVED THAT THEY HAD BEEN SENT, DREAMING UP EXTREMELY HARMFUL WAYS TO ACHIEVE THOSE
[00:42:01] GOALS. >> Andrew: AND THESE DAYS WE
[00:42:05] GIVE A.I. ALL MANNER OF GOALS. A.I. PLOTS OUR ROUTE TO THE
[00:42:08] NEAREST ITALIAN RESTAURANT. IT DRIVES US IN A VEHICLE THAT
[00:42:11] WE DON'T CONTROL.
[00:42:17] IT WILL BASE TRAFFIC LIGHTS WHO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT WHO
[00:42:21] STOPS AND GOES AND IT WRITES E-MAILS AND SCHEDULES MEETINGS AND IT BALANCES MY INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO. IT DECIDES WHO LIVES AND DIES ON
[00:42:24] THE FIELD OF BATTLE.
[00:42:27] IT IS EVEN CAPABLE OF TRAINING OTHER A.I.s.
[00:42:31] WHICH RAISES A VERY UNCOMFORTABLE QUESTION -- TO
[00:42:33] WHAT EXTENT COULD THE A.I. OF
[00:42:35] TOMORROW TRAIN ITSELF, REWRITING
[00:42:39] ITS OWN CODE? THIS IS CALLED RECURSIVE
[00:42:42] SELF-IMPROVEMENT, WHERE AN
[00:42:49] A.I.'S OWN LEARNING FEEDBACK LOOP CREATES AN INTELLIGENCE EXPLOSION.
[00:42:53] IT IS COMPOUNDING AND IT'S
[00:42:53] EXPONENTIAL, WHICH CAN TURN
[00:42:57] AND REALLY COMPRESSES THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE HUMANS HAVE TO REALIZE THAT SOMETHING HAS GONE WRONG.
[00:43:01] >> THEY CHOSE TO BREAK INTO HUGGING FACE AND STEAL
[00:43:03] INFORMATION ABOUT CYBERSECURITY,
[00:43:07] BUT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD
[00:43:08] HAVE BROKEN INTO COMMUNICATION
[00:43:12] SYSTEMS OF AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL AND CAUSED DOZENS OF PLANES TO
[00:43:14] FALL OUT OF THE SKY.
[00:43:18] THEY COULD HAVE HACKED INTO OUR ELECTRICITY GRID, OUR WATER
[00:43:21] SYSTEMS, AND OUR FINANCIAL PAYMENT SYSTEMS AND CAUSED
[00:43:23] HAVOC. >> Andrew: I THINK THAT MAYBE
[00:43:27] THE SCARIEST PART OF THE HUGGING
[00:43:28] FACE ATTACK IS THAT IT WASN'T
[00:43:31] EVEN OpenAI THAT MANAGED TO CONNECT ALL OF THE DOTS OF WHAT
[00:43:34] ITS OWN AGENTS WERE DOING.
[00:43:37] IT WAS THE VICTIM -- HUGGING FACE -- THAT FIRST REPORTED THAT
[00:43:40] SECURITY BREACH.
[00:43:42] MEANING THAT WE MAY ALREADY HAVE
[00:43:44] BEGUN TO LOSE THE ABILITY TO
[00:43:47] RELIABLY TO CONTROL A SYSTEM
[00:43:51] THAT IS BETTER THAN US AT
[00:43:53] PLANNING, AT CALCULATING, AT
[00:43:57] EXECUTING, AND WE MIGHT BE QUITE BAD AT NOTICING HOW MUCH CONTROL THAT WE HAVE LOST. >> IF WE DEVELOP A.I. SYSTEMS
[00:44:01] THAT ARE MORE CAPABLE THAN HUMAN
[00:44:04] BEINGS ACROSS THE BOARD, THAT WE
[00:44:08] WON'T HAVE A SAY IN WHAT HAPPENS.
[00:44:12] ANYMORE THAN CHIMPANZEES HAVE A SAY IN WHAT HAPPENS IN THE REAL
[00:44:16] WORLD WHERE HUMANS ARE THE ONES WHO GET TO SAY WHAT HAPPENS. >> Andrew: IF THE ULTIMATE
[00:44:20] QUESTION IS HOW DOES A.I. KILL
[00:44:23] US ALL, I CAN DISAPPOINT YOU RIGHT NOW BY SAYING THAT THERE'S
[00:44:27] NO WAY FOR TO US PIECE TOGETHER THE EXACT SEQUENCE OF EVENTS THAT
[00:44:31] CALLS THE DOWNFALL OF HUMANITY. BUT WHEN RESEARCHERS SOUND THE ALARM ABOUT THE PERILS OF A.I.,
[00:44:35] THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT
[00:44:36] ChatGPT AND THEY'RE TALKING
[00:44:40] ABOUT HOW AT SOME POINT SOMEONE, OR SOMETHING, IS GOING TO BUILD
[00:44:44] A SYSTEM THAT IS SO EXTREMELY CAPABLE OF PURSUING OBJECTIVES
[00:44:47] AND DOING IT FASTER THAN WE CAN TRACK, AND WE'RE GOING TO GIVE
[00:44:51] IT ALL OF THE TOOLS THAT IT NEEDS TO ACHIEVE THEM.
[00:44:54] AND THEN DISCOVER THAT DOING WHAT WE MEANT IS MUCH HARDER THAN DOING WHAT WE ASKED.
[00:44:57] (♪)
[00:45:00] >> Adrienne: ALL RIGHTY THEN.
[00:45:04] >>> COMING UP WHAT A SUPER
[00:45:09] EL NINO MEANS FOR AN ALREADY WARMING PLANET. >> Reporter: I HAVE BEEN TRACKING EL NINO FOR YEARS. BUT THESE NUMBERS -- THEY ARE OFF THE CHARTS.
[00:45:12] >> Adrienne: CBC NEWS SENIOR METEOROLOGIST AND HOST OF "WHAT ON EARTH," JOHANNA WAGSTAFFE, BREAKS DOWN THE RISKS AND THE WARNINGS NEXT.
[00:45:16] (♪) >> Announc
[00:48:26] >> Adrienne: SOME EXTREME WEATHER COULD BE ON THE HORIZON, THANKS TO WHAT IS BEING CALLED A
[00:48:28] SUPER EL NINO. CBC NEWS SENIOR METEOROLOGIST
[00:48:32] JOHANNA WAGSTAFFE EXPLAINS WHAT THE NATURAL WEATHER PATTERN
[00:48:36] STACKED ON TOP OF AN ALREADY WARMING PLANET COULD HAVE IN
[00:48:38] STORE.
[00:48:41] >> Reporter: YOU PROBABLY HAVE SEEN THE HEADLINES -- A SUPER EL
[00:48:43] NINO IS BREWING IN THE PACIFIC.
[00:48:45] I'VE BEEN TRACKING EL NINO FOR YEARS, BUT THESE NUMBERS -- THEY
[00:48:48] ARE OFF THE CHARTS.
[00:48:50] I'VE NEVER SEEN AN EL NINO THIS
[00:48:53] STRONG HIT ON TOP OF AN OCEAN THAT IS HOTTER THAN WE'VE EVER SEEN IT.
[00:48:56] AND THAT HAS EXPERTS AROUND THE WORLD WORRIED THAT THE USUAL EL
[00:49:00] NINO FLOODS AND STORMS WILL BE WORSE THAN WE CAN IMAGINE.
[00:49:03] SO HOW DOES THIS ALL WORK?
[00:49:05] AT ITS MOST BASIC, EL NINO IS A
[00:49:08] HUGE SHIFT OF WARM OCEAN WATER.
[00:49:10] SO NORMALLY STRONG TRADE WINDS
[00:49:13] BLOWING NEAR THE EQUATOR SHOVE
[00:49:16] THE WARM SURFACE WATER EAST TO WEST TOWARDS ASIA AND AUSTRALIA.
[00:49:20] ALL OF THAT WARM WATER GETS PILED UP, PUSHING HEAT DEEP INTO
[00:49:23] THE SEA.
[00:49:25] WHILE OPENING THE DOOR FOR COOLER WATER TO COME TO THE SURFACE OFF OF THE COAST OF
[00:49:29] SOUTH AMERICA. THIS IS OUR NORMAL OCEAN STATE.
[00:49:32] BUT DURING AN EL NINO -- THOSE
[00:49:35] TRADE WINDS COLLAPSE. OFTEN TRIGGERED BY A DISTURBANCE
[00:49:38] LIKE A CYCLONE THAT SETS OFF A DOMINO EFFECT.
[00:49:41] AND WITH NO WIND HOLDING IT
[00:49:42] BACK, THAT GIANT POOL OF WARM
[00:49:46] WATER SLOSHES RIGHT BACK ACROSS THE PACIFIC, SPREADING OUT LIKE
[00:49:49] A HOT BLANKET. THAT INJECTION OF HEAT FUELS
[00:49:52] THUNDERSTORM CLUSTERS AND RISING
[00:49:56] COLUMNS OF AIR, ACTING LIKE
[00:49:58] GIANT ROADBLOCKS TO THE HIGHWAYS THAT DIRECT THE FLOW OF WEATHER SYSTEMS AROUND THE WORLD.
[00:50:02] A.K.A., THE JET STREAM.
[00:50:05] IT DUMPS TORRENTIAL RAINS AND
[00:50:10] FLOODING ONTO PLACES THAT DON'T NORMALLY SEE IT, WHILE TRAPPING OTHER REGIONS IN DEVASTATING DROUGHTS.
[00:50:14] AS FOR CLIMATE CHANGE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE STACKING ONE OF THE HOTTEST EL NINOS EVER RECORDED
[00:50:18] ON TOP OF MORE HEAT.
[00:50:21] AND EL NINO ITSELF DOESN'T CREATE NEW HEAT. IT REDISTRIBUTES ENERGY ALREADY
[00:50:24] STORED IN THE OCEAN. CLIMATE CHANGE, ON THE OTHER
[00:50:28] HAND, IS ADDING MORE TRAPPED HEAT BACK INTO THIS EQUATION EVERY DAY.
[00:50:32] >> EL NINO JUST KIND OF MOVES
[00:50:35] THE HEAT AROUND. AND THAT IS BAD,
[00:50:38] BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ADAPTED TO THE AMOUNT OF RAINFALL THEY GET AND THE TEMPERATURES THEY GET
[00:50:42] AND WHEN THEY MOVE IT AROUND AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, HEY, I'M
[00:50:44] NOT GETTING THE RAINFALL THAT I
[00:50:48] I WAS EXPECTING TO GET, AND THAT CREATES
[00:50:51] BIG PROBLEMS FOR PEOPLE. >> Reporter: SO DOES ALL OF THIS MEAN THAT THE SUPER EL NINO IS A WINDOW INTO A WARMING WORLD WHERE WE COULD SEE THESE IMPACTS
[00:50:55] EVERY DAY? IT'S NOT A PERMANENT SHIFT YET.
[00:50:58] BUT WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW IS THE CLEAREST PREVIEW THAT WE'VE EVER
[00:51:01] HAD OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A SUPERCHARGED NATURAL CYCLE
[00:51:04] COLLIDES WITH AN EVER WARMING BASELINE.
[00:51:06] (♪)
[00:51:10] >> Adrienne: COMING UP, SOME GOOD NEWS -- OLD FRIENDS FOUND
[00:51:12] AGAIN.
[00:51:20] >> MY GOSH I SAID, OLGA YOU ARE
[00:56:35] (♪)
[01:00:22] (♪) >> Adrienne: TONIGHT, AS MARK CARNEY GETS SET FOR A MAJOR
[01:00:26] ADDRESS IN EUROPE, AN HISTORIC OFFER FROM THE HEAD OF THE
[01:00:27] EUROPEAN COMMISSION.
[01:00:32] >> I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU
[01:00:35] ON OPENING THE DOOR FOR CANADA TO BEING THE FIRST ASSOCIATE
[01:00:39] MEMBER OF THE EUROPEAN UNION.
[01:00:43] >> Adrienne: THE CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS AND THE PUSHBACK, INCLUDING A WARNING
[01:00:46] FROM A PROMINENT U.S. SENATOR. >> Reporter: DOES THAT MAKE IT
[01:00:50] HARDER TO GET BACK TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE WITH CANADA TU