CBCNEWS — About That 20261004 003000 UTC 436 transcript segments Original Broadcaster Captioning (Enhanced) Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:08] What kind of future do Albertans want for their province? The upcoming referendum will [00:00:12] reveal where voters stand. The Alberta referendum October 19th. [00:00:15] Stay tuned to CBC News. [00:00:19] It is absolutely shocking that the people on this plane [00:00:22] survived. [00:00:25] Look, this is video taken by a [00:00:27] passenger. Pure panic onboard fly Dubai flight 1073 after the [00:00:32] copilot of the plane allegedly stabbed the pilot. The entire [00:00:36] plane at this point at grave risk of crashing and everyone [00:00:41] was screaming, there were children crying. [00:00:44] Except a whole series of things happen. Highly improbable, [00:00:48] almost impossible, it seems to me [00:00:52] as a commercial. [00:00:57] All of these incredible things together end up saving [00:01:00] everybody's life against all odds. And I'm going to show you [00:01:04] how [00:01:09] there were more than 170 people on board this flight, [00:01:13] which is a daily flight running from Dubai International in the [00:01:17] United Arab Emirates to Ben Gurion International near Tel [00:01:21] Aviv in Israel. This is what that flight path normally looks [00:01:25] like. It's about a three hour flight, [00:01:27] except on September 30th, things would take a very abrupt [00:01:31] turn here. But when I say abrupt turn, [00:01:34] I don't mean left or right, I mean down. [00:01:37] At around 8:21 AM local time over Saudi airspace, [00:01:40] the plane lost altitude more than 17, [00:01:43] 000 feet in under a minute and it speed up dramatically as it [00:01:48] pitched towards the earth [00:01:51] Jordanian border. Suddenly the aircraft dropped a massive [00:01:55] massive turbulence for 2030 seconds. We know now what was [00:02:00] happening around this time was the planes copilot allegedly [00:02:04] attacking the planes captain nearly killing him. The [00:02:07] struggle beginning after he stabbed the other pilot and [00:02:11] sent the jet plunging thousands of meters in just seconds. At [00:02:16] this point, with the attacker taking [00:02:18] control, potentially looking to crash [00:02:21] the plane, the only way that people on [00:02:24] board survive is if the captain survives. And improbably, [00:02:28] he does. This is him, Captain Smith Matcha from India. [00:02:31] He somehow manages to survive a surprise attack from an armed [00:02:35] assailant in close quarters while flying a plane. But he's [00:02:39] down and in a real bad way. One of the passengers, [00:02:43] a dentist would later tell CNN. Much other suffered massive [00:02:47] blood loss, was severely wounded. He was [00:02:50] covered in cuts, his head, [00:02:52] his hands, they were practically sliced [00:02:54] open, almost severed in two. [00:02:56] Historically when 1 pilot turns on the other. There are clear [00:03:00] examples where this ends in disaster for everybody on board. [00:03:04] In 2015, Germanwings flight 9525, [00:03:07] the copilot locks the captain out of the cockpit when he [00:03:11] leaves to use the bathroom. He then manually steers the plane [00:03:15] into a rapid descent, crashing into the French Alps. [00:03:18] Everybody on board dies. Or just a couple years before that, [00:03:23] in 2013, same thing, except this time it's the [00:03:26] captain on a flight from Mozambique who locks the [00:03:29] copilot out of the cockpit. He crashes the plane into a [00:03:33] National Park in Namibia, once again killing everybody on [00:03:37] board. But this time, Captain Matcha survives the [00:03:40] attack from his copilot and manages to do one other [00:03:43] incredible thing that's single handedly triggers a series of [00:03:47] events that keep that plane in the air. [00:03:55] So imagine the copilot is believed to have attacked the [00:03:59] captain with some sort of stabbing weapon, [00:04:02] leaves him bleeding on the ground. I've seen multiple [00:04:06] reports that he was so grievously wounded he was on [00:04:09] the verge of passing out completely even that he did at [00:04:13] one point, but just before he did he [00:04:16] somehow unlocks the cockpit door. They redesigned airplanes [00:04:20] to, in fact, create [00:04:22] this impenetrable door between the cabin and the cockpit. That [00:04:25] door remains locked from the incident. Problem with [00:04:29] yesterday is that the threat did not come from the cabinet. [00:04:33] This is the critical point at which the entire arc of this [00:04:36] crisis pivots. It's where passengers begin to realize not [00:04:40] just that something has gone terribly wrong, [00:04:43] but that they can do something about it. [00:04:46] The plane just started going up and down, [00:04:49] says 1 passenger. We started hearing screams. The plane, [00:04:52] according to those on board, nose dived at a sickening angle. [00:04:56] Overhead bins popped open and luggage flew out. Other [00:05:00] accounts spoke of incredible G forces almost pinning [00:05:03] passengers to their seats as the plane itself plunged and [00:05:07] leveled repeatedly. It was like the craziest Holocaust that you [00:05:11] ever did, but like, multiplied by [00:05:14] father. It felt like something really wrong is happening here. [00:05:18] So for some passengers to have overcome this chaos and to have [00:05:22] the instinct to burst into the cockpit to see what was wrong, [00:05:26] Yet another incredible development, [00:05:29] without which I don't know how this plane survives. Eventually, [00:05:33] one man bursts in and grabs the assailant, the copilot, [00:05:37] from behind. Yes, [00:05:41] the first Beta beta message. [00:05:47] That's one of the many heroes of this story. By all accounts, [00:05:51] wrestling control of the plane from the alleged hijacker [00:05:55] happened very quickly. The dentist I mentioned earlier, [00:05:58] he says he tied the attacker up using headphone cords and [00:06:02] plastic zip ties. He then started tending to the wounded [00:06:06] pilot. He was in serious condition, not critical, [00:06:09] perhaps, but serious due to the massive [00:06:12] blood loss. And that would have looked like [00:06:16] and a warn you this is the most graphic part of the story [00:06:19] because it's at this point we have video of the state of the [00:06:23] lanes captain as he's lying injured on the floor. [00:06:27] But this was the scene you're looking at. 2 bloodied pilots [00:06:31] on the floor on this passenger jet in mid air, [00:06:34] passengers holding one of them down, [00:06:37] treating the other. The reason I show that to you is because I [00:06:41] want you to understand how unreal this all would have felt [00:06:45] to everybody on board. And yet we have yet another improbable [00:06:49] act from the very same passenger who claims to have [00:06:53] subdued the attacker in the 1st place. He single handedly pulls [00:06:57] the plane out of its nose dive. [00:07:00] Uh, [00:07:02] yeah. [00:07:05] He would later reveal he learned that move from TV shows [00:07:08] pulling on the pilot steering column, [00:07:11] the yoke to pitch the planes nose up. They actually pull up [00:07:15] the stick the the airplane stick. The plane was decreasing [00:07:18] in very, very sharp angle. It is a [00:07:21] tricky maneuver, you know, not normal or a commercial [00:07:24] airliner to be in that flight position to be nose down at 600 [00:07:28] miles an hour. But even all this, [00:07:30] as improbable as it all is put together, [00:07:33] only leads to yet another impossible question. [00:07:37] How do you land a plane when you have no pilot? [00:07:45] In a normal emergency, if such a thing even exists, [00:07:49] the pilot is doing more than just flying the plane and [00:07:52] landing it. They are the planes eyes and ears, [00:07:55] navigating weather patterns, how much fuel they've got left, [00:08:00] and which runways are even available and safe. There was [00:08:04] nothing but desert beneath US1 passenger told CNN. We feared [00:08:08] being taken to an enemy country or landing in the middle of the [00:08:12] desert. We didn't know who to trust. Now, [00:08:15] if this were a Hollywood movie, the scripted stroke of luck [00:08:19] here would be that someone on board is simply bold enough to [00:08:23] do something like land a plane that they've never done before [00:08:27] and it just happens to work out. But in real life, [00:08:31] there just happened to be another set of pilots on board, [00:08:34] an off duty British pilot along with another, together, [00:08:38] a pair of relief pilots who were meant to fly the next [00:08:42] flight [00:08:43] was fortunate that they were on an airplane that had this extra [00:08:47] deadheading crew, as we call it. You know, [00:08:50] but to actually jump into a pilot seat when you've got [00:08:54] another pilot next to you that potentially was suicidal and [00:08:58] the captain of the aircraft neutralized as well was [00:09:02] absolutely heroic action. Those 2 pilots took control of the [00:09:06] plane, diverted to an airport not in [00:09:08] Israel where they were originally going, [00:09:11] but in nearby Saudi Arabia instead. [00:09:14] Which interestingly is a country Israel has no formal [00:09:17] diplomatic relations with, but that years ago did open its [00:09:21] airspace. 2 passenger planes flying to and from Israel. So [00:09:26] they had control of the plane and a safe runway to land on. [00:09:30] But there was still one more problem. The plane was badly [00:09:34] damaged. When I saw the images of the aircraft on the ground [00:09:38] with the rudder section torn out, [00:09:40] I immediately had a cold chill. If you've ever looked at the [00:09:44] back of a plane, [00:09:46] you know what that vertical tail looks like. But what's a [00:09:49] little more subtle than that is the rudder, [00:09:51] which is this movable flap that controls the side to side [00:09:55] swinging of the lanes nose. It's basically stabilizing the [00:09:59] plane. If you RIP that out, as you can see in these photos [00:10:02] here of this fly Dubai flight shortly after emergency landing, [00:10:06] you have two problems. 1 is that you're possibly bleeding [00:10:09] hydraulic fluid out all over the place, [00:10:12] which affects a whole bunch of other systems on the plane. But [00:10:16] two, [00:10:17] landing becomes more dangerous. Letters are the key element of [00:10:20] aircraft stability, particularly at landing. And in [00:10:23] this case the runner was not there. The airplane went [00:10:27] through extensive aerodynamic shot. All of the experts I've [00:10:31] heard on this believe it was the planes nosedive. We [00:10:34] mentioned at the start that sudden steep descent that [00:10:38] likely applied enormous aerodynamic forces to the tail, [00:10:41] enough to RIP that part of the rudder right off. But somehow [00:10:45] those two relief pilots [00:10:47] managed to land the plane regardless, [00:10:53] so now investigators have their work cut out for them. Why did [00:10:57] this copilot hijack the plane, and what was he trying to do? [00:11:01] Did he improvise the weapon he used, [00:11:03] or did he smuggle it on board? And Speaking of getting on [00:11:07] board, should intelligence or law [00:11:10] enforcement officers have known to apprehend him before he got [00:11:14] on that plane? Those answers will hopefully [00:11:17] come with time, but all we know now is that [00:11:19] this plane load of passengers somehow pulled off the [00:11:23] impossible. The captain surviving A devastating attack, [00:11:27] managing with his last sliver of consciousness to open the [00:11:30] cockpit door, allowing passengers undergoing [00:11:33] extreme G forces to storm that cockpit, subdue the attacker, [00:11:37] pull the plane out of the nosedive just in time. And then [00:11:40] they just happened to have a pair of pilots on hand who [00:11:44] grabbed the controls, find a safe runway to land on, [00:11:47] and manage to do so with a severely damaged rudder in a [00:11:51] plane that no inspector would ever consider airworthy. [00:11:54] I don't know what you call that, but as terrible and traumatic [00:11:59] as it was for everyone involved, those folks undeniably got very, [00:12:04] very lucky. [00:14:12] What even is potash? Answer that question and you'll [00:14:14] know how basically overnight, Trump went from boasting of a [00:14:18] massive deal in the works to buy a whole bunch of potash [00:14:21] from Belarus and for substantially less than we are [00:14:24] currently paying to Canada, to suddenly saying, well, [00:14:28] maybe we'll keep buying from Canada after all, [00:14:30] he'll continue to go with Canada, [00:14:32] but but Belarus would like to sell it for a much lower price. [00:14:36] So which is it? Trump may sound like he's flip [00:14:39] flopping any kind of is, but [00:14:41] he's also putting his finger on a glaring American weakness. [00:14:45] Because the US needs an outside source of potash to grow food, [00:14:49] and Trump thinks he can mitigate that problem by [00:14:53] undercutting the global juggernaut of potash, Canada. [00:15:01] I can just show you what potash looks like. You mine it from [00:15:05] the earth. It's a type of salt. But the core defining element [00:15:09] of this salt, which makes it different from [00:15:11] say, the table salt you season your [00:15:13] food with, is that it's chock full of potassium. [00:15:17] Potassium. I said it that way because potash is where [00:15:20] potassium gets its name from. And two critical things to know [00:15:24] about potassium 1. You do not just find pure potassium like a [00:15:28] hunk of it in Nature, which Carlton University does a [00:15:31] good job of explaining why. Potassium metal, [00:15:34] like all metals that are in Group one of the periodic table [00:15:38] that's down the left hand side are quite reactive with water. [00:15:42] Boom, though, this burst into flame [00:15:45] because the reaction between potassium and water releases [00:15:49] hydrogen, and then the hydrogen gas is [00:15:51] what explodes. So if you want potassium, [00:15:54] you have to find it in very specific forms that won't [00:15:57] explode by accident. But the second big thing to know about [00:16:01] potash is that it is considered a critical mineral. Plants need [00:16:05] potassium to grow. Every crop does. So almost all of the [00:16:08] potash mine around the world eventually ends up as [00:16:12] fertilizer because it's so potassium rich. Farmers know [00:16:15] if you use it on your crops, you'll get better water [00:16:19] retention, better disease resistance, [00:16:21] better yields, better overall quality. And [00:16:24] this is precisely why farmers globally spend billions of [00:16:28] dollars a year on this stuff. So we can all eat. Now where do [00:16:32] you find this critical mineral? The non explode kind. Chile, [00:16:36] Germany, China and the US are all [00:16:38] meaningful players in this space. Between them, [00:16:41] there are hundreds of millions of tons of known potassium [00:16:45] nutrient [00:16:47] reserves. But where you'll find the most, there's Russia, [00:16:50] with 12% of the world's reachable unmined supply. Its [00:16:53] ally Belarus has an even larger share of this critical mineral, [00:16:58] almost twice as much, but with a full third of the [00:17:01] world's total reserves. Canada, America's closest ally, [00:17:05] has more than a billion tons of potassium in the form of potash [00:17:09] underground. [00:17:11] It's also the world's most active miner and exporter of [00:17:15] that potash, owning almost 40% of the [00:17:17] international market today. We are a major, [00:17:20] major player in this market, to the point where our potash [00:17:24] exports are often priced in Canadian dollars rather than U. [00:17:28] S. dollars. And not to put too fine a point on what I said [00:17:32] about Canada being America's closest ally, [00:17:35] but I'll say the US is incredibly dependent on Canada [00:17:38] for all of its potash, and more specifically [00:17:41] the potassic fertilizer you get out of it. the US imported from [00:17:46] all sources 13 million tons of it last year, [00:17:49] but almost 90% of that haul was from Canada. This is billions [00:17:53] of dollars each year spent on a very precious product. And [00:17:57] worth mentioning those whopping 50% tariffs Trump imposed on [00:18:01] Canadian goods recently, Potash is exempt. Which should [00:18:05] tell you one very important thing, [00:18:07] that Trump does not want to make Canadian potash more [00:18:11] expensive [00:18:13] because he knows how badly American farmers need it. the [00:18:15] US is very, very highly reliant on imported [00:18:18] potash in order to meet our needs. So it's hard to describe [00:18:22] how important that relationship is. The advantage for Canada [00:18:26] when it comes to plot ashes or 3G's we've got there's geology, [00:18:29] geography and sort of global distribution. It's true, [00:18:33] Canada has basically everything the US needs. Vast reserves, [00:18:36] expansive mining operations with new mines in the process [00:18:40] of being built. This one is slated to begin [00:18:43] production in 2027. Apparently as big as a city, [00:18:46] Canada also has a well established production and [00:18:49] delivery schedule, especially during critical [00:18:52] planting seasons. And crucially, it has direct access to an [00:18:56] expansive rail network able to carry product from Saskatchewan, [00:19:00] where almost all of Canada's Potash's mind, [00:19:03] across the border and into virtually every nook and cranny [00:19:06] of the United States. But especially agricultural states [00:19:10] in the northern Midwest like Indiana, Illinois, [00:19:13] Iowa and Nebraska and Minnesota were the soil for intensive row [00:19:18] crops like corn, soybeans and wheat need a [00:19:21] constant topping up of potassium to keep yields high. [00:19:25] And arguably now more than ever, American farmers rely on this [00:19:29] efficiency and stability because they are, in 2026, [00:19:33] contending with an undeniable pressure on their bottom lines. [00:19:37] Fertilizer prices have been going up, [00:19:40] and the US war in Iran has throttled global oil traffic, [00:19:44] making the diesel that keeps farm equipment running more [00:19:48] expensive and indirectly increasing the price of [00:19:51] basically everything else that needs to be shipped anywhere. [00:19:55] Not to mention Trump's trade war with Canada, [00:19:58] where 50% tariffs on Canadians steel and aluminum can, [00:20:01] for example, make buying a tractor or even [00:20:04] simply sourcing replacement parts more expensive than it [00:20:07] used to be. There's been an awful lot of large increases in [00:20:11] the input costs of farming. So diesel is going up [00:20:15] 28% in the last year. We interest rates growing up, [00:20:19] the price of new farm machinery is about 15 to 20%. So enter [00:20:23] Belarus, where this post from the [00:20:25] president starts to take on a different tone, right? [00:20:29] A massive deal to buy potash from that country, [00:20:33] one of the top producers of the mineral globally. He knows the [00:20:37] US needs Canadian potash, like really needs it. And he's [00:20:41] trying to diversify, questioning his [00:20:45] Can he? [00:20:50] When Trump decided he was going to nudge Belarus for a better [00:20:54] deal on potash, the intention was always pretty [00:20:57] clear that this was a move designed to undercut Canada's [00:21:01] stranglehold on supply. And on a surface level, [00:21:04] it makes sense to go with a potash powerhouse like Belarus. [00:21:08] Except Trump himself would have immediately realized how [00:21:12] difficult a pivot this would be. First, [00:21:15] the US government doesn't even have a direct say [00:21:18] in the matter. It doesn't negotiate prices. It doesn't do [00:21:22] any bulk purchasing itself. That's between private business [00:21:26] and farmers. But even if he were to try to create favorable [00:21:30] conditions for Belarusian potash to enter the US market, [00:21:34] the second problem is that this is Belarus we're talking about [00:21:38] here, a political pariah, a close ally of Vladimir Putin, [00:21:42] and a critical staging ground for Russia's troops during its [00:21:46] initial invasion of Ukraine four years ago. [00:21:49] If you've seen the headlines from Saskatchewan's premier [00:21:53] about how potash from Belarus is blood potash, [00:21:56] This is why the Lukashenko regime out of Belarus is [00:21:59] instrumental in supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine. [00:22:04] And again, terrible human rights record. [00:22:07] So a large number of countries, including Canada and including [00:22:11] the United States, have sanctioned Belarus. And [00:22:14] those sanctions on Belarus really affect how competitive [00:22:18] its potash can ever possibly be in the global marketplace [00:22:22] because, for starters, it is a landlocked country. [00:22:25] It's closest access to international shipping waters [00:22:29] is north through Lithuania, except European sanctions on [00:22:32] Belarus have closed this port [00:22:34] off to them. And it gets worse. Those same sanctions have also [00:22:38] shut down most alternatives, Poland, Latvia, [00:22:41] and especially Ukraine also off limits. But let's say you could [00:22:45] get around that problem by shipping through Russia, [00:22:48] for example. There's a third problem, [00:22:51] which is that we're still talking about a country nearly [00:22:54] 10, 000 kilometers away from the US [00:22:56] by boat. In order to get the potash from Belarus, [00:22:59] we have to go through sort of four major parts, [00:23:02] shipping it to to Russia, getting it loaded [00:23:05] ships, getting it to the US and then [00:23:08] once in the US shipping it to sort of the Midwest. We have [00:23:11] one step. We put it on a train and it's and it's there. The [00:23:15] problem with potash in particular is that it's a [00:23:18] relatively low value product compared to how heavy it is and [00:23:22] how much space it takes up. These are bulk commodities. [00:23:26] It's not like you're shipping diamonds or microchips where [00:23:30] the cost to ship is offset by how efficient shipping is. So [00:23:34] even if Belarus decided, let's say, [00:23:36] to put all of its authoritarian state owned might behind potash, [00:23:40] driving down the production cost at the potash mine itself [00:23:44] on the other side of the world, American farmers aren't going [00:23:49] to be moved by that if it's still costing an arm and a leg [00:23:53] to ship that cheap potash halfway around the world. One [00:23:57] analyst figures Canada's location helps it deliver [00:24:00] potash at about a 35% discount compared to potash from Belarus. [00:24:05] And another analyst [00:24:06] comes to the same conclusion that a metric ton of potash [00:24:10] from Belarus might cost $200 to a US farmer before profit [00:24:13] margins compared to buying from Canada at a substantially lower [00:24:17] $130.00 per metric ton. But let's say you figure out the [00:24:21] first problem and give the US government a freer hand. You [00:24:25] solve the second problem and remove international sanctions [00:24:28] on Belarus. You even solve the third problem of shipping costs [00:24:32] through subsidies or some kind of deal. You then still have [00:24:36] 1/4 problem, which is that Belarus itself is [00:24:39] signaling. I don't know if we have all that much potash to [00:24:43] spare. They're shipping all of their potash E not to West, [00:24:47] the western world, and that's been indicated to be [00:24:50] the case. You remember how landlocked Belarus is and how [00:24:54] it's potash can only really go in One Direction E through [00:24:58] Russia? Well, it turns out that economic [00:25:00] reality leaves China and other Asian countries as the only [00:25:04] viable buyers. China alone buys almost 1/3 [00:25:07] of the potash Belarus exports. Which is not to say that [00:25:11] Belarus couldn't switch clients to the US or boost production, [00:25:15] but both are hard. One risks alienating a reliable customer, [00:25:19] the other is slow and expensive. Because guess what? [00:25:22] Canada is a reliable cost competitive supplier. [00:25:30] So what explains then this roller coaster ride where [00:25:33] everybody's wondering what on earth would possess Trump to [00:25:37] think Canada's potash is replaceable by potash mind on [00:25:40] the other side of the planet? Well, to be fair, [00:25:43] I don't know if that's what he was ever saying. It's the same [00:25:47] thing as what we're doing in regard to trade with the US, [00:25:50] right? Yes, the US is looking for alternate [00:25:53] suppliers. We're looking for alternate markets. We're both [00:25:57] sort of playing [00:25:58] two sides of the same coin here. the US knows it is in a [00:26:01] vulnerable position. It is working to lift itself out of [00:26:05] that position. It started earlier this year when in March, [00:26:09] it lifted sanctions on two major potash companies in [00:26:13] Belarus, Belarus, Cali and the Belarusian potash [00:26:16] company. The Trump administration also made potash [00:26:19] from Belarus legal to buy in America. And what timing? [00:26:23] According to Argus Media, which watches commodity prices, [00:26:27] the first Belarus cargo [00:26:28] fertilizer to the US in four years, a 30, [00:26:31] 000 metric tons cargo of MOP, which is a specific kind of [00:26:36] potash fertilizer. It's expected to arrive at New [00:26:40] Orleans next month. Now, let's be clear. Canada's [00:26:44] dominance in potash is not in jeopardy. This country is not [00:26:49] replaceable to the US. But Canada also is not untouchable, [00:26:53] because Trump isn't necessarily trying to push Canadian potash [00:26:58] away, [00:27:00] he's just trying to payless for it. And even if American [00:27:02] farmers don't suddenly flock on mass to Belarusian potash, [00:27:06] they now at least have the option to right? [00:27:09] And that accomplishes one thing, it tells Canada If you still [00:27:13] want American business, we at least want you to compete [00:27:17] for it. [00:30:30] where families continue to be torn apart by violence [00:30:33] including two recent murders [00:30:35] and a shooting at the historic Mile Zero Hotel. [00:30:38] Who's going to clean up this town? You know, that's a good question. [00:30:42] I'm very fearful for the future of this area. We investigate the violence [00:30:46] to learn more about who is killing who and why. [00:30:49] Why are so many people getting murdered in Dawson Creek? [00:30:53] Because the drugs are rampant. Fucking rampant. [00:30:56] Thirteen murders and counting, [00:30:58] and a growing fear that comes with a warning: speaking out can get you killed.