CBCNEWS — Marketplace 20261004 013000 UTC 384 transcript segments Original Broadcaster Captioning (Enhanced) Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:01:23] And we begin tonight with the first murder of the year in Dawson Creek. [00:01:27] [Mark] January 2025. [00:01:30] Gunfire rings out in Dawson Creek. [00:01:33] One man is shot at this hotel and survives. [00:01:36] Across the street, [00:01:38] another man shot in an apartment isn't so lucky. [00:01:41] [newscaster] Now, police are not commenting, [00:01:44] but CJDC TV News has learned [00:01:46] Johnny Joel Freeman was murdered. [00:01:49] [Mark] Johnny Joel Freeman, [00:01:51] a local man with a lengthy criminal record. [00:01:54] In this case, the Mounties made an arrest. [00:01:57] 23-year-old Nolan Schmidt was taken into custody [00:02:00] the night of the murder. And yet what finally seemed like a win [00:02:03] for the Mounties was anything but. [00:02:06] I think that he is just an individual [00:02:09] that feels rage [00:02:12] and he doesn't have the proper outlets for it, right? [00:02:15] [Mark] Outreach worker Jan Atkinson believed Schmidt [00:02:18] was a ticking time bomb with mental health issues. [00:02:22] Here's Schmidt when he was a kid [00:02:24] in a video posted on Facebook. [00:02:27] That's three times, bud. Look at this shit. [00:02:30] [Mark] And it was clear to Atkinson years ago, [00:02:32] the ticking time bomb would explode. [00:02:36] I was upset that he had the opportunity [00:02:39] to even be out in the community. He'd been caught with weapons in the car. [00:02:42] He was a drug runner, he's a drug dealer. [Jan] I think he was a drug runner. [00:02:46] He hung around with some bad guys. [00:02:49] He did some really bad things. [00:02:51] [Mark] And one day Atkinson says Schmidt took a run at her [00:02:54] when he was staying at the shelter where she worked. [00:02:56] He was pretty angry with me [00:02:58] and he started running towards me, [00:03:01] and he was pretty hyped up. And were you afraid for your own safety? [00:03:05] Yeah, yeah. [Mark] That's when Atkinson wrote this letter. [00:03:09] Schmidt was going back to jai, [00:03:11] and Atkinson gave the judge a long list of reasons [00:03:14] why he needed to stay there and get help. [00:03:16] "I am begging the courts to remand [00:03:18] Mr. Schmidt into custody," she wrote. [00:03:22] I had written a letter to the judge being like, [00:03:24] "You know, blood's gonna be on your hands." [00:03:29] If he's released back into the community. If he's released back into the community. [00:03:32] What was your fear? [00:03:34] My fear was that he would murder somebody. [00:03:37] ♪ [00:03:43] Do you like coming out here to get a little peace and quiet? [00:03:46] Yeah. Usually there's an engine running, but. [chuckles] [00:03:50] [Mark] Andy Tylosky calls the Peace River region [00:03:53] "the last of the Wild West." [00:03:55] He's a farmhand who grew up here. [00:03:59] He remembers Nolan Schmidt as a kid. [00:04:04] [Andy] I knew his mom from her days as a bartender in Fort St. John. [00:04:07] She always spoke about her son, and she was just proud, as proud as could be, [00:04:11] about this young man. She was the glue in Nolan's life then. [00:04:14] Yeah, yeah, they were very, very close. [00:04:18] [Mark] Until she died when Schmidt was 18. [00:04:22] [Andy] He found her. -What did that do to him? -It just wrecked him. [00:04:28] He lost his sense of hope. The most important thing to him, [00:04:31] the only rock he had in his life. [00:04:33] And he told me at the funeral he just started drinking, [00:04:39] because that was the only way that it kind of numbed the pain. [00:04:42] And he never really stopped. [00:04:45] [Mark] Tylosky remembers years later, Schmidt contacted him from ja. [00:04:49] He had a sentencing hearing and needed to tell the judge [00:04:52] he had a place to stay, so Tylosky showed up [00:04:54] to court to give Schmidt a chance to go straight. [00:04:59] I was gonna provide him a relatively safe environment, [00:05:02] as much as I could. But you, at that point in his life, [00:05:05] -you were his last hope. -Pretty much, yeah. [00:05:09] [Mark] But Tylosky says within a month [00:05:11] things started to fall apart. [00:05:13] -Was he doing drugs? -Oh, he was cracked right out. [00:05:16] As soon as he got his first welfare check, it went right up the pipe. [00:05:19] [Mark] When Tylosky accused Schmidt [00:05:21] of stealing money from him, things got violent. [00:05:24] [Andy] We're driving just from downtown Fort St. John, [00:05:27] just happened to be passing the police detachment [00:05:30] when he pulls my kitchen knife out on me and goes, [00:05:35] "Give me-- Like, you're not gonna do this with me. [00:05:37] I will, you know, kill you," basically. [00:05:42] [Mark] The police in nearby Fort St John [00:05:43] defused the situation and took Schmidt into custody. [00:05:46] At that point, Tylosky thought he was done [00:05:49] with Schmidt for good, assuming he was behind bars. [00:05:52] But then his phone rang. [00:05:54] Two hours later, I get a call from him: "They've released me. [00:05:57] They just wanna get rid of me out of the jail." Like, they didn't wanna deal with him. [00:06:01] But here's a guy... [00:06:04] who is... [00:06:07] a loose cannon, who has mental health issues. [00:06:10] I mean, there's warnings on file about this guy. [00:06:14] -He's pulled a knife on you. -Yeah. [Mark] He's been arrested by the police. [00:06:18] And they just release him and say "Good luck"? [00:06:21] Mm-hmm. Yeah, I guess so. That was that. [00:06:24] We have to remember that police officers are people too, [00:06:27] and nobody likes to work harder than they have to. [00:06:29] [scoffs] I think it's sometimes where it comes down to. Like, he would have been a lot of paperwork, [00:06:32] a lot of trouble for them to deal with. [00:06:37] [Mark] Two days later, Johnny Joel Freeman was shot dead. [00:06:41] Yeah, but it certainly wasn't some sort of coordinated gang attack, I can tell you that much for sure. [00:06:45] [laughs] And I'm lucky in a lot of ways. [00:06:47] -[Mark] Could have been you. -It could have been me. [00:06:52] You know, I think we just all lost a little bit more faith [00:06:55] in the system that we're supposed to trust. [00:06:58] And until we can trust the system, [00:07:00] people aren't gonna have trust in coming forward. [00:07:03] Nothing's gonna happen. -[Mark] Nothing gonna change. -No. [00:07:07] [Mark] Some things never change. [00:07:10] Four months later in Dawson Creek, another murder. [00:07:14] It was mid-April when police discovered an abandoned truck [00:07:18] on this lonely stretch of dirt road southwest of town. [00:07:22] Inside the truck, the body of Emily Ogden. [00:07:25] The RCMP gave her the unlucky distinction: [00:07:29] she was Dawson Creek's murder victim number 13. [00:07:34] That abandoned truck belonged to a well-known drug dealer [00:07:36] in Dawson Creek, and a familiar name to us: [00:07:40] Arron Linklater. It had been just over a year [00:07:44] since five people stormed his house with guns in the middle of the night. [00:07:48] But time hadn't erased Linklater's lasting memory of that violent night. [00:07:52] There was a girl in the situation. [00:07:54] She was laughing at me. I'll never forget her laugh. [00:07:58] [Mark] That girl was Emily Ogden, [00:08:01] Dawson Creek's 13th murder victim. [00:08:03] Let me take you back to the home invasion-- Absolutely. [00:08:07] Because the woman who laughed in your face [00:08:09] -is Emily Ogden. -Yep. She's dead. [00:08:12] She winds up dead and her body's found in your truck. [00:08:15] Yep. My house was broken into and my truck was stolen. [00:08:18] I was drunk, came home. [00:08:19] I had no idea what exactly the circumstances are to it. [00:08:23] I was blown away, 'cause I woke up [00:08:25] really, really intoxicated still. Then I got taken into custody. [00:08:29] I had no idea of all the details. It was like-- [00:08:32] You have no idea that Emily Ogden was dead? -No. -Do you have anything [00:08:36] -to do with her death? -No. But you know that you're a suspect. [00:08:39] -Yeah, prime. -Prime suspect. [00:08:44] But the police aren't the only ones [00:08:46] who think Linklater killed Emily Ogden. [00:08:48] He says everyone in town believes that too, [00:08:51] including Emily's criminal friends. [00:08:53] Do you walk around now with a bulletproof vest? -I do. -Why? [00:08:57] Major Crimes came here and said that my ex-girlfriend and I, [00:09:01] that our lives are directly in jeopardy. [00:09:03] -Somebody wants to kill you. -Yeah. [00:09:06] And I just told them to get in their Jeep, [00:09:08] and I said, "Can you guys go around the block [00:09:11] and park right over by the neighbour's house? [00:09:13] Because that's where the line up to kill me begins. [00:09:16] Get the fuck off my property." [00:09:19] [Mark] By April of 2025, [00:09:21] the police had their hands full in Dawson Creek. [00:09:24] Another unsolved murder, and every indication [00:09:27] the cycle of violence would continue. [00:09:30] We live in a farming community, [00:09:31] but it's like, we have this new generation of entitled children. [00:09:36] -Do you know what I mean? -[Mark] Entitled and armed. [00:09:38] Entitled and armed, and it's just, [00:09:42] I've never seen anything like it. [00:09:45] [Mark] When we come back, we follow a new lead [00:09:48] in the mysterious disappearane of this man from Dawson Creek. [00:09:51] My name is Mark Kelley. I'm with the CBC program The Fifth Estate. [00:09:55] We're asking questions about the disappearance of Cole Hosack. [00:10:06] The moment you believe the whole world is actually a [00:10:09] facade, then it gets so hellishly [00:10:11] dangerous. We'd like to find a way to get in there. [00:10:14] Especially if Jessica was living in there. Walk me [00:10:17] through that day. You knock on the door, [00:10:19] tell me everything. I think the pink. Yeah, [00:10:22] the pink one with the balcony. That's the hotel. And when you [00:10:25] say kids are going to suffer, you were not talking [00:10:28] hypothetically. You were suffering. I watched kids [00:10:31] suffer. It's debilitating. It's scary. And they're trying to [00:10:34] hide that fear of is my child dead or alive? [00:10:36] Imagine you're a kid coming from school. They could walk [00:10:39] upon you like this. [00:10:42] All it takes is this and your influence. You're saying that [00:10:46] the only time family members came was one thing. They're [00:10:49] lying because they won the key. Why would they lie? [00:10:52] Why wouldn't her doctor line? The biggest part of it was that [00:10:55] we haven't been listened to. They just didn't listen. [00:10:58] There's never been a worse time to call this referendum. Quebec [00:11:02] separatists, Alberta separatists. It's like, [00:11:04] no, we're just regular folk that [00:11:06] want to free and independent country. How many workers are [00:11:10] in this IT army? Somewhere between 2:00 to 5:00 [00:11:12] 1000. It seems pretty clear that it's definitely in the [00:11:15] thousands. How cool are are you in North Korea right now? [00:11:19] No. Are you North Korean? Sounds like he was inside. Yeah, [00:11:23] he's because she said he wasn't interested. But how would that [00:11:26] have happened? Right. Yeah. I'm gonna approach. [00:11:29] OK. You want? Are you OK going on your own? [00:11:34] Watch my back. [00:13:52] of Canada's Wild West, then there's a growing need [00:13:55] for a sheriff to ride into town and clean it up. [00:14:01] With 13 homicides in four yea, [00:14:03] Dawson Creek now has a murder rate [00:14:06] 14 times the national average. [00:14:11] Families of the victims continue to wait for answers. [00:14:16] It's a wait that aches. [00:14:19] Take the case of Cole Hosack. [00:14:21] He's been missing for almost two years. [00:14:24] He was passing through Dawson Creek [00:14:26] when he stopped at a bar to ring in the New Year. The police have confirmed [00:14:30] there was an altercation outside the bar. And then what happened? [00:14:34] And then he's just never seen again. [00:14:37] [Mark] But how could he just disappear? Exactly. [00:14:41] [Mark] His mother, Julie Hosack, has been pleading for help, [00:14:44] searching for answers ever since. [00:14:46] I could feel that there's fear in Dawson Creek right from the beginning. [00:14:51] [Mark] The Fifth Estate has learned late last year [00:14:54] the Mounties arrested and questioned a suspect in the case: [00:14:58] Matt Lawton. [00:15:00] We also learned the last persn Cole Hosack called [00:15:03] the night of his disappearance was the same Matt Lawton, [00:15:07] a suspected drug dealer in Dawson Creek. [00:15:10] So we went to Lawton's house armed with questions. [00:15:14] Hey, Matt. My name is Mark Kelley, I'm with the CBC program The Fifth Estate. [00:15:18] We're asking questions about the disappearance of Cole Hosack. [00:15:23] [Mark] His family is looking for answers, [00:15:25] and we are just looking for your help to explain [00:15:28] about what happened that night. [00:15:32] [Mark] He had your phone number. [00:15:34] He made a call to you. It was the last call he made. [00:15:39] [Mark] Why would he have your number? [00:15:44] We don't know where he is, Matt. His family is looking for answers. [00:15:52] [Mark] In the end, the Mounties released Lawton without charg. [00:15:56] The RCMP now say they are treating [00:15:58] Hosack's disappearance as a murder. [00:16:00] The case remains unsolved, and still no sign of his body. [00:16:07] Behind the fear in Dawson Cre, [00:16:09] there is one name that rises above the rest: [00:16:12] Tanner Murray, the infamous repeat offender, [00:16:15] arrested last year with a small arsenal of weapons. [00:16:19] And the more people learn about Murray and his criminal convictions, [00:16:22] the more suspicious they've become. Do you think Tanner Murray had something to do [00:16:26] with Renee's death? No comment. [00:16:31] Are you afraid that commenting on that could get you more death threats? [00:16:35] Yes. 100%. [00:16:39] I don't personally know Tanner. Just what he's done to people. [00:16:44] Which is? [00:16:46] Drugs. You name it. [00:16:49] Well, if you know this, presumably police know this. [community member] Oh, the police know, [00:16:53] but they've got to get the evidence. -Nobody will come forward. -[Mark] Why not? [00:16:56] [community member] They're scared. Yeah, people in town have told us [00:17:00] they don't even wanna mention his name because they fear that [00:17:03] that could mean trouble for them. [00:17:06] What impact does Tanner, [00:17:09] or has Tanner Murray had on the community of Dawson Creek? [00:17:13] I think he's mostly just instilled a real sense of fear. [00:17:15] I think until Tanner, you know, sees some accountability, [00:17:20] I think that that will continue to be an issue. [00:17:24] [Mark] Murray has never been charged with murder, [00:17:27] but his criminal record continues to grow. [00:17:30] This spring, the RCMP in neary Grande Prairie, Alberta, [00:17:33] pulled over an SUV with stolen license plates. [00:17:36] Inside the vehicle? [00:17:38] Tanner Murray, who was wanted for violating his probation. [00:17:42] The RCMP later turned up a guitar case filled with guns [00:17:46] and drugs-- cocaine, fentanyl, methamphetamines-- [00:17:50] and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. [00:17:53] Murray is now being held without bail. [00:17:59] We're here at the courthouse in Grande Prairie, Alberta, [00:18:02] where Tanner Murray is facing a string of criminal charges related to his arrest [00:18:06] with that guitar case full of guns and drugs. [00:18:09] Well, his lawyer made an appearance before a judge [00:18:11] here this morning, saying at this stage, [00:18:13] Murray will not plead guilty. [00:18:16] So that means, much to the relief of the people in Dawson Creek, [00:18:20] Tanner Murray will remain in custody... for now. [00:18:25] While Murray is in jail, his half-brother isn't. [00:18:28] This is Jessie Ray Stevens. [00:18:30] This year, he changed his profile picture to this, [00:18:33] armed with a Beretta pistol. [00:18:35] He was in custody until recently, [00:18:38] when attempted murder charges against him were dropped. [00:18:41] The witness failed to show up and testify. [00:18:44] After Murray's arrest in Grande Prairie, Stevens posted this picture. [00:18:48] It's him with Murray as kids, with an ominous warning... [00:19:05] Also on the receiving end of threats, Arron Linklater, [00:19:08] the drug dealer we interviewed this spring. [00:19:10] He spoke by phone to Fifth Estate producer Timothy Sawa [00:19:14] days before we returned to Dawson Creek this fall. [00:19:54] [Mark] When we went back to speak to Linklater this fall, [00:19:56] we found the RCMP forensics team entering his house. [00:20:02] Day turned to night before we got an indication [00:20:05] about what was happening insi. [00:20:09] We've been outside Arron Linklater's house now [00:20:12] for several hours, waiting for answers. [00:20:14] We weren't sure whether the RCMP had taken him into custody [00:20:18] or charged him with any crimes. [00:20:20] But just minutes ago, the body removal unit arrived, [00:20:23] and it became clear to us, [00:20:25] Arron Linklater would not be leaving his home alive. [00:20:47] [solemn music] [00:20:50] Police are calling his death suspicious. [00:20:53] No one has been charged. [00:20:56] In our interview, Linklater told us how lethal drugs are used [00:21:00] to quietly kill people in Dawson Creek. [00:21:05] Is there a salt shaker in the room? Okay. I'm gonna show you something [00:21:08] about how much carfentanil it takes to kill a human body. [00:21:12] That's enough to kill three people. [00:21:15] So it's an assassin's drug. Guy will come over and party, [00:21:19] make like you're his best fucking friend in the world. "Hey, man, here's a gram for you, [00:21:22] here is a gram for you, and here's gram for you. [00:21:24] But this gram, it's just for you." [00:21:29] [Mark] Despite the threats, one of the last things Linklater told us? [00:21:33] He wasn't gonna run from the fear. [00:21:48] [Mark] We wrapped up our investigation with questions [00:21:50] for the RCMP at their headquarters in Surrey. [00:21:54] This time we're sitting down with Staff Sergeant Kris Clar, [00:21:57] a senior media relations officer in BC. [00:22:01] We spoke with Superintendent Wijayakoon. [00:22:04] He said, "Give us six months, and we will have [00:22:08] a measure of success for the families [00:22:11] in some of these cases." That was one year ago. [00:22:15] Since then, there have been no arrests [00:22:18] in the investigations into the 11 missing or murdered. [00:22:21] There have been no charges. [00:22:23] Is this your measure of success? [00:22:27] So I just actually spoke with Superintendent Wijayakoon [00:22:30] about this very thing. I think he probably regrets adding a timeline there [00:22:34] because we're still hopeful [00:22:37] that we will come to success in some of these investigations, [00:22:41] and I think we're very close to that still. [00:22:44] As you build your cases, [00:22:47] people in town are watching the people [00:22:49] that they suspect are murderers walking free in the community. [00:22:52] I think the biggest misconception here is, [00:22:56] you know, knowing and proving [00:23:00] are two completely different things. [00:23:04] We can say that we know this person did it. [00:23:06] But we need to, and I think more importantly, [00:23:10] prove that in a court of law [00:23:12] and successfully prosecute that [00:23:15] so that the families of the victims do get that justice. [00:23:20] [Mark] We showed the staff sergeant the photo of Jessie Ray Steve, [00:23:23] Tanner Murray's half-brother, pointing a pistol. [00:23:27] What message do you think this picture sends people in the community? [00:23:31] Well, it's obviously a direct threat. [00:23:34] Appears to be a direct threat. [00:23:35] To anyone to speak ill of his brother, [00:23:39] or to testify against his brother, for example. [00:23:44] Well, I wouldn't wanna speculate, but... [00:23:47] it's a general threat. [00:23:52] [Mark] Days before we went to air, [00:23:54] the RCMP found another body, this one in a burned-out vehie [00:23:58] near this area the locals call Dead Man's Curve. [00:24:02] It's the third body discovered here [00:24:04] in this bloody string of violence. [00:24:06] The RCMP is treating this latest case [00:24:09] as yet another homicide, [00:24:11] Dawson Creek's 15th. [00:24:16] Shyann Hambler's two cousins are among [00:24:18] the murdered in Dawson Creek. [00:24:21] There's a lot of fear in this town. [Shyann sobs] [00:24:28] How do you take that fear away? [Shyann] There's somebody behind this, [00:24:32] and somebody has to know something. [00:24:33] I just wish that whoever knows this can come forward. [00:24:37] I'm proud to stand up for them, [00:24:40] because who else is gonna stand for somebody [00:24:43] and say something if it's not me? [00:24:48] [Mark] When you look at the cycle of violence, [00:24:51] which sort of started shortly after [00:24:53] you arrived in Dawson Creek, [00:24:56] do you see it ending any time soon? I do. [00:25:02] You know, I have to have, like, a belief that people are, [00:25:05] you know, gonna do the right thing, and I have to have faith [00:25:08] that people are gonna have a bit more courage, right? [00:25:11] So, yeah. [00:25:15] [birds cawing] [00:25:21] [theme music playing] [00:27:28] [sirens blaring] [00:30:25] I'm Adrian Arceneaux, chief correspondent for CBC News. 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