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[00:00:00] FOR THANK YOU FOR MAKING TIME FOR US. US. >> THANKS FOR HAVING US.
[00:00:03] >> THANKS FOR HAVING US. >> LEISURE TO BE HERE.
[00:00:07] >> LEISURE TO BE HERE. >> LET'S START WITH OTTAWA
[00:00:08] >> LET'S START WITH OTTAWA ANNOUNCING THE FORMATION OF THIS
[00:00:11] ANNOUNCING THE FORMATION OF THIS 13 MEMBER NATIONAL COUNCIL ON 13 MEMBER NATIONAL COUNCIL ON ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.
[00:00:14] ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. IT IS SUPPOSED TO GIVE GUIDANCE IT IS SUPPOSED TO GIVE GUIDANCE TO PROVIDE THOSE GUARDRAILS THAT
[00:00:17] TO PROVIDE THOSE GUARDRAILS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT SO MUCH
[00:00:22] HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT SO MUCH RECENTLY, BUT ALSO PROVIDE RECENTLY, BUT ALSO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES. OPPORTUNITIES. LET'S START WITH YOU, VERY.
[00:00:25] LET'S START WITH YOU, VERY. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS?
[00:00:28] WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? WILL DO ENOUGH TO TACKLE SOME OF
[00:00:30] WILL DO ENOUGH TO TACKLE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE ARE
[00:00:33] THE CHALLENGES THAT WE ARE HEARING FROM SOME OF THE TOP
[00:00:35] HEARING FROM SOME OF THE TOP A.I. EXPERTS IN THE WORLD?
[00:00:38] A.I. EXPERTS IN THE WORLD? >> I THINK IT IS A GOOD PANEL. >> I THINK IT IS A GOOD PANEL. I DO NOTICE LIVING HERE IN
[00:00:42] I DO NOTICE LIVING HERE IN VANCOUVER THAT THERE IS
[00:00:44] VANCOUVER THAT THERE IS BASICALLY NOBODY FROM WEST OF
[00:00:48] BASICALLY NOBODY FROM WEST OF ONTARIO.
[00:00:52] ONTARIO. I THINK BRITISH COLUMBIA GETS I THINK BRITISH COLUMBIA GETS SOME REPRESENTATION.
[00:00:55] SOME REPRESENTATION. THE REAL QUESTION IS THE EXTENT THE REAL QUESTION IS THE EXTENT OF WHICH THEY ARE ANYTHING MORE
[00:00:58] OF WHICH THEY ARE ANYTHING MORE THAN JUST AN ADVISING BODY AND THAN JUST AN ADVISING BODY AND HOW MUCH INFLUENCE THEY HAVE AND
[00:01:01] HOW MUCH INFLUENCE THEY HAVE AND HOW MUCH INFLUENCE CONTROL THEY HOW MUCH INFLUENCE CONTROL THEY HAVE.
[00:01:05] HAVE. I GUESS WE WILL HAVE TO SEE WHAT I GUESS WE WILL HAVE TO SEE WHAT THEIR RIGHTS AND
[00:01:08] THEIR RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND POWERS RESPONSIBILITIES AND POWERS REALLY ARE. REALLY ARE. >> Deana: WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT
[00:01:12] >> Deana: WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT?
[00:01:13] ON THAT? >> IT IS CERTAINLY AN ADVISOR
[00:01:17] >> IT IS CERTAINLY AN ADVISOR BODY. BODY. I AM STRUCK BY HOW INDUSTRY I AM STRUCK BY HOW INDUSTRY ORIENTED THEY ARE.
[00:01:21] ORIENTED THEY ARE. THEY HAVE HAD BOSSES AND GROUPS
[00:01:24] THEY HAVE HAD BOSSES AND GROUPS OF ADVISORS ON A.I.
[00:01:26] OF ADVISORS ON A.I. THEY WERE ADVISING THE
[00:01:28] THEY WERE ADVISING THE INNOVATION MINISTER AND THIS ONE
[00:01:30] INNOVATION MINISTER AND THIS ONE IS SET UP TO ADVISE THE PRIME IS SET UP TO ADVISE THE PRIME MINISTER HIMSELF.
[00:01:34] MINISTER HIMSELF. I DON'T IMAGINE HE WILL BE AT
[00:01:35] I DON'T IMAGINE HE WILL BE AT EVERY MEETING, BUT I'M SURE THE
[00:01:38] EVERY MEETING, BUT I'M SURE THE OFFICIALS WILL BE TAKING NOTE OF OFFICIALS WILL BE TAKING NOTE OF THESE THINGS.
[00:01:41] THESE THINGS. OF THE PEOPLE YOU HAVE ON THEIR,
[00:01:42] OF THE PEOPLE YOU HAVE ON THEIR, YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE BUILDING
[00:01:45] YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE BUILDING A.I. COMPANIES LIKE ONE WHO JUST A.I. COMPANIES LIKE ONE WHO JUST STARTED A COMPANY.
[00:01:49] STARTED A COMPANY. YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIKE JORDAN
[00:01:51] YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIKE JORDAN JACOBS AND JOHN GRAHAM WHO FUND
[00:01:55] JACOBS AND JOHN GRAHAM WHO FUND THE COMPANY WEEKEND THIS
[00:01:59] THE COMPANY WEEKEND THIS PROFESSOR WHO ADVISES ON A WIDE PROFESSOR WHO ADVISES ON A WIDE RANGE OF COMPANIES, INCLUDING
[00:02:02] RANGE OF COMPANIES, INCLUDING THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT, IS THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT, IS QUITE SAFETY FOCUSED.
[00:02:06] QUITE SAFETY FOCUSED. THIS IS A VERY ADOPTED AND
[00:02:08] THIS IS A VERY ADOPTED AND INDUSTRY HAVEL -- INDUSTRY HEAVY
[00:02:12] INDUSTRY HAVEL -- INDUSTRY HEAVY PANEL. PANEL. >> Deana: EMILY, WHEN YOU SEE
[00:02:15] >> Deana: EMILY, WHEN YOU SEE THIS, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
[00:02:16] THIS, WHAT DO YOU THINK? KEEPING IN MIND WHAT HE JUST
[00:02:19] MENTIONED THAT IT SEEMS TO BE MORE FOCUSED TOWARD DIVIDING
[00:02:21] MORE FOCUSED TOWARD DIVIDING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES THAT COME ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES THAT COME FROM OPPORTUNITIES COMING TO
[00:02:25] FROM OPPORTUNITIES COMING TO CANADA, MAYBE NOT QUITE AS
[00:02:28] CANADA, MAYBE NOT QUITE AS FOCUSED FOCUS ON PROVIDING FOCUSED FOCUS ON PROVIDING GUARDRAILS.
[00:02:31] GUARDRAILS. YOUR YOU -- YOU ARE A YOUR YOU -- YOU ARE A COMPUTATIONAL LINGUIST.
[00:02:33] COMPUTATIONAL LINGUIST. WHERE IT IS DOES YOUR GREATEST
[00:02:35] WHERE IT IS DOES YOUR GREATEST AREA OF CONCERN LIE RIGHT NOW?
[00:02:38] AREA OF CONCERN LIE RIGHT NOW? >> I AM CONCERNED ABOUT >> I AM CONCERNED ABOUT POLICYMAKERS BEING DISTRACTED
[00:02:42] POLICYMAKERS BEING DISTRACTED ABOUT THESE FANTASIES OF A.I. ABOUT THESE FANTASIES OF A.I. SYSTEMS COMBUSTING INTO SYSTEMS COMBUSTING INTO CONSCIOUSNESS AND KILLING US
[00:02:46] CONSCIOUSNESS AND KILLING US ALL. ALL. IT IS IMPORTANT FOR CALL -- FOR IT IS IMPORTANT FOR CALL -- FOR POLICY MEASURES TO BE ADVISED BY
[00:02:50] POLICY MEASURES TO BE ADVISED BY THE COMPOSITION OF THIS PANEL THE COMPOSITION OF THIS PANEL SOUNDS LIKE IT IS PEOPLE WITH
[00:02:53] SOUNDS LIKE IT IS PEOPLE WITH VESTED INTERESTS. VESTED INTERESTS. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE BEEN
[00:02:57] THEY ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE BEEN LOBBYING, OUR GOVERNMENT AND THE LOBBYING, OUR GOVERNMENT AND THE U.S., AND AROUND THE WORLD TO
[00:03:01] U.S., AND AROUND THE WORLD TO TREAT THIS TECHNOLOGY IS TREAT THIS TECHNOLOGY IS SOMETHING SPECIAL, AND THEREFORE
[00:03:04] SOMETHING SPECIAL, AND THEREFORE DIFFICULT TO REGULATE, AS DIFFICULT TO REGULATE, AS OPPOSED TO JUST WORKING AT A
[00:03:08] OPPOSED TO JUST WORKING AT A BUSINESS THAT SHOULD BE
[00:03:09] BUSINESS THAT SHOULD BE SUBJECTED TO ALL OF THE EXISTING
[00:03:14] REGULATIONS ABOUT DEFECTIVE PRODUCTS AND LIABILITY, PRODUCTS AND LIABILITY, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, AND OTHER
[00:03:18] ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, AND OTHER SORTS OF EXTERNALITIES. SORTS OF EXTERNALITIES. WE MIGHT NEED SOME NEW CHELATION
[00:03:22] WE MIGHT NEED SOME NEW CHELATION HIS BUT I AM AFRAID THIS KIND OF
[00:03:23] HIS BUT I AM AFRAID THIS KIND OF PANEL WILL MISDIRECT.
[00:03:26] PANEL WILL MISDIRECT. >> Deana: SPEAKING OF OUR PANEL >> Deana: SPEAKING OF OUR PANEL THAT WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW, I WANT
[00:03:29] THAT WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW, I WANT TO SHIFT OUR ATTENTION TO TO SHIFT OUR ATTENTION TO LIBRARY AND ARCHIVES LIBRARY AND
[00:03:33] LIBRARY AND ARCHIVES LIBRARY AND ARCHIVES CANADA.
[00:03:36] THEY SPARKED HEADLINES SAYING YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ROGUE
[00:03:37] YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ROGUE A.I. HACKING NETWORKS.
[00:03:41] A.I. HACKING NETWORKS. THIS IS A LIBRARY AND ARCHIVES
[00:03:43] THIS IS A LIBRARY AND ARCHIVES CANADA SO IT IS AN IMPORTANT CANADA SO IT IS AN IMPORTANT DATABASE.
[00:03:46] DATABASE. HAVE HEARD OF SIMILAR INTRUSIONS HAVE HEARD OF SIMILAR INTRUSIONS FROM THE GOVERNMENT OF
[00:03:50] FROM THE GOVERNMENT OF AUSTRALIA, FOR EXAMPLE,, U.S. AUSTRALIA, FOR EXAMPLE,, U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCIES HAVE ALSO
[00:03:53] GOVERNMENT AGENCIES HAVE ALSO REPORTED SIMILAR THINGS. REPORTED SIMILAR THINGS. GARY, FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, I
[00:03:56] GARY, FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, I JUST FIND WHEN I TALK TO PEOPLE JUST FIND WHEN I TALK TO PEOPLE IT GETS PEOPLE SO NERVOUS AND SO
[00:04:00] IT GETS PEOPLE SO NERVOUS AND SO ANXIOUS THAT IF A SYSTEM THAT
[00:04:02] ANXIOUS THAT IF A SYSTEM THAT SHOULD BE THIS SECURE IS LIABLE
[00:04:05] SHOULD BE THIS SECURE IS LIABLE TO BEING ATTACKED, THAN WHAT TO BEING ATTACKED, THAN WHAT CHANCE DO REGULAR FOLKS HAVE OR
[00:04:09] CHANCE DO REGULAR FOLKS HAVE OR SMALL BUSINESSES AND SO ON?
[00:04:10] SMALL BUSINESSES AND SO ON? SHOULD PEOPLE BE VERY NERVOUS
[00:04:14] SHOULD PEOPLE BE VERY NERVOUS ABOUT THIS? ABOUT THIS? ABOUT ROGUE A.I. BASICALLY DOING ABOUT ROGUE A.I. BASICALLY DOING WHAT ITS DESIGNERS DO NOT WANT
[00:04:18] WHAT ITS DESIGNERS DO NOT WANT IT TO DO?
[00:04:21] IT TO DO? >> I WISH WE WOULD CALL IT >> I WISH WE WOULD CALL IT SLOPPY A.I. RATHER THAN ROGUE
[00:04:24] SLOPPY A.I. RATHER THAN ROGUE A.I. A.I. I DON'T BELIEVE IT HAS INTENT.
[00:04:28] I DON'T BELIEVE IT HAS INTENT. I THINK CALLING IT ROGUE A.I. I THINK CALLING IT ROGUE A.I. ANTHROPOMORPHIZE IS IT.
[00:04:31] ANTHROPOMORPHIZE IS IT. OPEN A.I. DID SOMETHING THAT WE
[00:04:34] OPEN A.I. DID SOMETHING THAT WE KNEW WOULD BE DANGEROUS. KNEW WOULD BE DANGEROUS. I WARNED ABOUT IT IN TWITTER AND
[00:04:37] I WARNED ABOUT IT IN TWITTER AND ON MY SUB STACK AND SO FORTH.
[00:04:40] ON MY SUB STACK AND SO FORTH. IS TO BUILD AGENTS AGO OUT ONTO
[00:04:42] IS TO BUILD AGENTS AGO OUT ONTO THE INTERNET UNCONSTRAINED WITH THE INTERNET UNCONSTRAINED WITH PASSWORDS AND THE ABILITY TO
[00:04:45] PASSWORDS AND THE ABILITY TO STEAL CREDENTIALS BASICALLY AND STEAL CREDENTIALS BASICALLY AND BREAK INTO THINGS.
[00:04:48] BREAK INTO THINGS. IT WAS A BAD IDEA FROM THE IT WAS A BAD IDEA FROM THE JUMP. JUMP. OPEN A.I. WENT AHEAD AND DID
[00:04:53] OPEN A.I. WENT AHEAD AND DID IT. IT. IT IS THEIR SOFTWARE WHO THERE IT IS THEIR SOFTWARE WHO THERE SOFTWARE WHO IS DOING IT.
[00:04:56] SOFTWARE WHO IS DOING IT. THEY SHOULD TAKE THEY SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. RESPONSIBILITY. CALLING IT ROGUE AGENTS IS LIKE
[00:05:00] CALLING IT ROGUE AGENTS IS LIKE THEY ARE SAYING THEY HAVE NO THEY ARE SAYING THEY HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY.
[00:05:03] RESPONSIBILITY. A BUILT THIS SOFTWARE WHICH A BUILT THIS SOFTWARE WHICH RENEW VIOLATED CYBERSECURITY
[00:05:06] RENEW VIOLATED CYBERSECURITY PRACTICES THAT ARE STANDARD. PRACTICES THAT ARE STANDARD. MAYHEM HAS BEEN A RESULT.
[00:05:10] MAYHEM HAS BEEN A RESULT. WHAT WE SHOULD DO HERE IS NOT WHAT WE SHOULD DO HERE IS NOT PANIC ABOUT EXTINCTION.
[00:05:13] PANIC ABOUT EXTINCTION. I AM WITH PROFESSOR BENDER ABOUT
[00:05:17] I AM WITH PROFESSOR BENDER ABOUT THAT, BUT WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT THAT, BUT WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT MORE.
[00:05:20] MORE. WE SHOULD INSIST THAT THESE WE SHOULD INSIST THAT THESE COMPANIES BUILD BETTER
[00:05:23] COMPANIES BUILD BETTER CYBERSECURITY PRACTICES AND WE CYBERSECURITY PRACTICES AND WE SHOULD RECALL THE PRODUCT UNTIL SHOULD RECALL THE PRODUCT UNTIL THEY FIX IT.
[00:05:27] THEY FIX IT. THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM AND THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM AND THEY DON'T HAVE IT UNDER GOOD
[00:05:31] THEY DON'T HAVE IT UNDER GOOD CONTROL AND THEY SHOULD BE CONTROL AND THEY SHOULD BE OBLIGATED TO FIX IT OR TAKE IT OBLIGATED TO FIX IT OR TAKE IT OFF THE MARKET.
[00:05:35] OFF THE MARKET. >> Deana: YOU GUYS MADE A VERY >> Deana: YOU GUYS MADE A VERY INTERESTING POINT.
[00:05:38] INTERESTING POINT. WE ANTHROPOMORPHIZED IT AND VIEW
[00:05:42] WE ANTHROPOMORPHIZED IT AND VIEW IT AS HAVING HUMANLIKE IT AS HAVING HUMANLIKE QUALITIES. QUALITIES. WE ARE NOT ACTUALLY TACKLING THE
[00:05:46] WE ARE NOT ACTUALLY TACKLING THE PROBLEM. PROBLEM. WE SHOULD TACKLE IT LIKE A WE SHOULD TACKLE IT LIKE A FAULTY PHONE.
[00:05:49] FAULTY PHONE. I WANT TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON I WANT TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS.
[00:05:53] THIS. WE KNOW THAT TOP A.I. DEVELOPERS
[00:05:55] WE KNOW THAT TOP A.I. DEVELOPERS LIKE OPEN A.I. AND ANTHROPIC
[00:05:58] LIKE OPEN A.I. AND ANTHROPIC HAVE SUGGESTED MAYBE FINDING A HAVE SUGGESTED MAYBE FINDING A THIRD-PARTY, A REGULATOR THAT
[00:06:01] THIRD-PARTY, A REGULATOR THAT WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF MAKING
[00:06:04] WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF MAKING SURE THAT A.I. DOES NOT GO
[00:06:09] SURE THAT A.I. DOES NOT GO ROGUE, SO TO SPEAK. ROGUE, SO TO SPEAK. WHAT YOU THINK OF THAT
[00:06:13] APPROACH? >> I WANT TO VERY QUICKLY PUT
[00:06:14] >> I WANT TO VERY QUICKLY PUT THIS IN CONTEXT.
[00:06:18] THIS IN CONTEXT. DOES INCLUDE A FATAL ATTEMPT TO DOES INCLUDE A FATAL ATTEMPT TO GET ACCESS TO DIVORCE RECORDS
[00:06:22] GET ACCESS TO DIVORCE RECORDS FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS FROM THE FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS FROM THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS.
[00:06:25] EARLY 19 HUNDREDS. NOT HIGHLY SENSITIVE NOT HIGHLY SENSITIVE INFORMATION.
[00:06:29] INFORMATION. >> Deana: WE DON'T KNOW, BUT I >> Deana: WE DON'T KNOW, BUT I SEE YOUR POINT. SEE YOUR POINT. >> I IMAGINE EVERYONE IN THOSE
[00:06:33] >> I IMAGINE EVERYONE IN THOSE RECORDS IS PROBABLY DEAD NOW, RECORDS IS PROBABLY DEAD NOW, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN MORE SERIOUS
[00:06:37] BUT THERE HAVE BEEN MORE SERIOUS CASES. CASES. WHICH IS SO CANADIANS DON'T FEEL WHICH IS SO CANADIANS DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE IS A CYBER THREAT
[00:06:41] LIKE THERE IS A CYBER THREAT THEY ARE UNAWARE OF.
[00:06:44] THEY ARE UNAWARE OF. THIRD-PARTY AUDIT IS A VERY THIRD-PARTY AUDIT IS A VERY INTERESTING QUESTION FOR TWO
[00:06:46] INTERESTING QUESTION FOR TWO REASONS. REASONS. ONE, THERE HAS BEEN A BACKLASH
[00:06:50] ONE, THERE HAS BEEN A BACKLASH FOR SMALLER A.I. COMPANIES WHO
[00:06:53] FOR SMALLER A.I. COMPANIES WHO SUGGEST THAT THE IMPOSITION OF
[00:06:55] SUGGEST THAT THE IMPOSITION OF THIRD-PARTY RULES THAT IS
[00:06:57] THIRD-PARTY RULES THAT IS DESIGNED FOR OPEN A.I. OR
[00:07:00] DESIGNED FOR OPEN A.I. OR ANTHROPIC PRESENTS A BARRIER OF
[00:07:01] ANTHROPIC PRESENTS A BARRIER OF COMPETITION BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE
[00:07:04] COMPETITION BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE TO BRING IN AUDITORS AND PAY FOR TO BRING IN AUDITORS AND PAY FOR AUDITORS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT IS
[00:07:08] AUDITORS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT IS AN EXPENSE THAT YOU HAVE TO AN EXPENSE THAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERGO. UNDERGO. THE SECOND PART OF IT IS THAT IN
[00:07:12] THE SECOND PART OF IT IS THAT IN THIS MOST NOTABLE HACKING THIS MOST NOTABLE HACKING INCIDENT, THE ONE THAT KICKED US
[00:07:15] INCIDENT, THE ONE THAT KICKED US OFF ON ALL OF THIS, WHICH IS
[00:07:17] OFF ON ALL OF THIS, WHICH IS OPEN A.I. AGENTS HACKING INTO A
[00:07:21] OPEN A.I. AGENTS HACKING INTO A PLATFORM A FEW MONTHS AGO, THEY
[00:07:24] PLATFORM A FEW MONTHS AGO, THEY DID BRING IN THIRD-PARTY DID BRING IN THIRD-PARTY ORGANIZATIONS TO CONDUCT A
[00:07:27] ORGANIZATIONS TO CONDUCT A REVIEW, AND PUBLISHED A REPORT.
[00:07:30] REVIEW, AND PUBLISHED A REPORT. BUT THEY ACTUALLY USED OPEN
[00:07:34] BUT THEY ACTUALLY USED OPEN A.I.'S TOOLS TO CONDUCT THEIR A.I.'S TOOLS TO CONDUCT THEIR INVESTIGATIONS BECAUSE THE
[00:07:37] INVESTIGATIONS BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF CODE THEY WOULD HAVE AMOUNT OF CODE THEY WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
[00:07:40] TO REVIEW TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WENT ON, THESE 30 PARTY WENT ON, THESE 30 PARTY ORGANIZATIONS SAY WOULD NOT BE
[00:07:43] ORGANIZATIONS SAY WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE.
[00:07:44] POSSIBLE. THAT CREATES A LOOP WHERE,
[00:07:48] THAT CREATES A LOOP WHERE, ESSENTIALLY THE COMPANIES THAT ESSENTIALLY THE COMPANIES THAT ARE BEING AUDITED CONTROL THE
[00:07:52] ARE BEING AUDITED CONTROL THE RESOURCES REQUIRED TO AUDIT
[00:07:54] RESOURCES REQUIRED TO AUDIT THEM, AND THE INFORMATION
[00:07:57] REQUIRED TO AUDIT THEM. AND THE THIRD PARTY AND THE THIRD PARTY ORGANIZATIONS DON'T NECESSARILY
[00:08:00] ORGANIZATIONS DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE FORCE OF LAW. HAVE THE FORCE OF LAW. THOSE ARE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES
[00:08:03] THOSE ARE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES WITH THIS PROPOSAL WHICH HAS NOT
[00:08:05] WITH THIS PROPOSAL WHICH HAS NOT BEEN FLESHED OUT SIGNIFICANTLY.
[00:08:10] BEEN FLESHED OUT SIGNIFICANTLY. >> Deana: EMILY, WHERE DO YOU >> Deana: EMILY, WHERE DO YOU STAND ON THAT?
[00:08:13] STAND ON THAT? WATCHING THE SPEECHES AT THE WATCHING THE SPEECHES AT THE UNITED NATIONS LAST WEEKEND, YOU
[00:08:16] UNITED NATIONS LAST WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T PRIVY TO THE KNOW, I WASN'T PRIVY TO THE SPECIALIZED ONES HAVING TO DO
[00:08:19] SPECIALIZED ONES HAVING TO DO SPECIFICALLY WITH A.I. SPECIFICALLY WITH A.I. REGULATION. REGULATION. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S NO
[00:08:23] IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S NO CONSENSUS ON ANYTHING WHEN IT CONSENSUS ON ANYTHING WHEN IT COMES TO THE UNITED NATIONS COMES TO THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
[00:08:27] GENERAL ASSEMBLY. WITH THAT WE THE PLACE TO
[00:08:30] WITH THAT WE THE PLACE TO ENFORCE SOME SORT OF ENFORCE SOME SORT OF INTERNATIONAL GUARDRAILS THAT
[00:08:33] INTERNATIONAL GUARDRAILS THAT WOULD BE APPLIED ACROSS EVERY WOULD BE APPLIED ACROSS EVERY COUNTRY THAT HAS A.I.
[00:08:37] COUNTRY THAT HAS A.I. COMPANIES? COMPANIES? SHOULD THAT ENFORCEMENT COME
[00:08:39] SHOULD THAT ENFORCEMENT COME FROM ANOTHER PLACE? FROM ANOTHER PLACE? >> I AGREE WITH PROFESSOR
[00:08:42] >> I AGREE WITH PROFESSOR MARCUS. MARCUS. YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL.
[00:08:45] YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL. THIS IS NOT AN INSTANCE OF A.I.
[00:08:48] THIS IS NOT AN INSTANCE OF A.I. MODELS GOING ROGUE AND DOING MODELS GOING ROGUE AND DOING SOMETHING.
[00:08:52] SOMETHING. THAT IS NOT ON ACCURATE WAY TO THAT IS NOT ON ACCURATE WAY TO DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENS.
[00:08:54] DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENS. WHAT HAPPENED IS OPEN A.I. AND WHAT HAPPENED IS OPEN A.I. AND THE OTHERS HAVE BEEN BUILDING
[00:08:57] THE OTHERS HAVE BEEN BUILDING AND RUNNING MALWARE.
[00:09:00] AND RUNNING MALWARE. WHEN THEY DESCRIBE IT LIKE THAT,
[00:09:02] WHEN THEY DESCRIBE IT LIKE THAT, THEY ARE TRYING TO DODGE
[00:09:06] THEY ARE TRYING TO DODGE ACCOUNTABILITY. ACCOUNTABILITY. DOING REGULATION FOR THIS IS A
[00:09:09] DOING REGULATION FOR THIS IS A LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR FOR ME. LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR FOR ME. THE KIND OF THING YOU WOULD WANT
[00:09:13] THE KIND OF THING YOU WOULD WANT INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION FOR
[00:09:16] HAVE TO DO WITH PEOPLE USING SOFTWARE THAT CAN VENERATE SOFTWARE THAT CAN VENERATE PLAUSIBLE LOOKING TEXT IN MANY
[00:09:19] PLAUSIBLE LOOKING TEXT IN MANY LANGUAGES TO MEDDLE IN POLITICS LANGUAGES TO MEDDLE IN POLITICS AND OTHER COUNTRIES.
[00:09:23] AND OTHER COUNTRIES. THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING YOU THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING YOU WOULD WANT INTERNATIONAL COURTS WOULD WANT INTERNATIONAL COURTS FOR.
[00:09:26] FOR. BUT THE STUFF ABOUT THESE MODELS
[00:09:29] BUT THE STUFF ABOUT THESE MODELS ABOUT TO JUST TAKE OVER THE ABOUT TO JUST TAKE OVER THE WORLD IS A FANTASY.
[00:09:32] WORLD IS A FANTASY. IT IS REALLY SAD TO SEE EVEN THE
[00:09:34] IT IS REALLY SAD TO SEE EVEN THE U.N. BEING DISTRACTED BY IT.
[00:09:40] U.N. BEING DISTRACTED BY IT. >> Deana: I AM AN EDUCATION >> Deana: I AM AN EDUCATION REPORTER, THAT IS MY OTHER HAT
[00:09:43] REPORTER, THAT IS MY OTHER HAT THAT I WEAR. WHERE. THAT I WEAR. WHERE. I TALKED TO A LOT OF EDUCATORS
[00:09:46] I TALKED TO A LOT OF EDUCATORS AND A LOT OF PARENTS.
[00:09:48] AND A LOT OF PARENTS. AS WE KEEP HAVING THIS AS WE KEEP HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, THE YOUNGEST
[00:09:52] CONVERSATION, THE YOUNGEST PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS THE KEENEST
[00:09:53] PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS THE KEENEST ADOPTERS TO THEIR TECHNOLOGY AND
[00:09:58] ADOPTERS TO THEIR TECHNOLOGY AND TO DO THEIR POSTSECONDARY WORK.
[00:09:59] TO DO THEIR POSTSECONDARY WORK. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?
[00:10:09] EVERYBODY IS FLYING BY THE SEAT OF THEIR PANTS AND THERE ISN'T
[00:10:12] OF THEIR PANTS AND THERE ISN'T REALLY CLEAR REGULATION WHEN IT REALLY CLEAR REGULATION WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT IS APPROPRIATE USE
[00:10:15] COMES TO WHAT IS APPROPRIATE USE AND WHAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE USE
[00:10:17] AND WHAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE USE OF A.I. OF A.I. >> WE ARE SEEING MORE AND MORE
[00:10:21] >> WE ARE SEEING MORE AND MORE REGULATION COMING IN AND REGULATION COMING IN AND STANDING UP FOR THE IMPORTANCE
[00:10:24] STANDING UP FOR THE IMPORTANCE OF LEARNING THAT IT IS DONE FOR OF LEARNING THAT IT IS DONE FOR PEOPLE BY PEOPLE WITHOUT ANY
[00:10:28] PEOPLE BY PEOPLE WITHOUT ANY TECHNOLOGY AND CERTAINLY WITHOUT
[00:10:29] TECHNOLOGY AND CERTAINLY WITHOUT THIS SORT -- SYNTHETIC TEXT THIS SORT -- SYNTHETIC TEXT MACHINES.
[00:10:33] MACHINES. NORWAY MADE A BIG STRIDE IN THAT NORWAY MADE A BIG STRIDE IN THAT DIRECTION AND NEW YORK CITY MADE
[00:10:36] DIRECTION AND NEW YORK CITY MADE A BIG STEP IN THAT DIRECTION.
[00:10:39] A BIG STEP IN THAT DIRECTION. I THINK THERE HAS BEEN DAMAGE
[00:10:42] I THINK THERE HAS BEEN DAMAGE FROM THESE NARRATIVES OF FROM THESE NARRATIVES OF INEVITABILITY THAT COME FROM THE
[00:10:44] INEVITABILITY THAT COME FROM THE COMPANIES THAT SAY THIS IS THE COMPANIES THAT SAY THIS IS THE FUTURE, WE AREN'T PREPARING THE
[00:10:47] FUTURE, WE AREN'T PREPARING THE KIDS IF THEY AREN'T USING IT -- KIDS IF THEY AREN'T USING IT -- AREN'T LEARNING HOW TO USE IT.
[00:10:51] AREN'T LEARNING HOW TO USE IT. THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE OUR THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE OUR FUTURE.
[00:10:54] FUTURE. IT IS HEARTENING TO SEE BOTH IT IS HEARTENING TO SEE BOTH EDUCATOR STANDING UP AND SAYING
[00:10:57] EDUCATOR STANDING UP AND SAYING WE DON'T -- WE ARE GOING TO DO WE DON'T -- WE ARE GOING TO DO OUR JOBS HERE.
[00:11:00] OUR JOBS HERE. OUR JOBS ARE TO BUILD LEARNING OUR JOBS ARE TO BUILD LEARNING COMMUNITIES AND OUR CLASSROOMS.
[00:11:04] COMMUNITIES AND OUR CLASSROOMS. AND YOU SAY THAT YOUNG PEOPLE AND YOU SAY THAT YOUNG PEOPLE ARE USUALLY THE KEENEST ADOPTERS
[00:11:07] ARE USUALLY THE KEENEST ADOPTERS OF TECHNOLOGY. OF TECHNOLOGY. THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF
[00:11:10] THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF RESISTANCE TO ARTIFICIAL RESISTANCE TO ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE FROM TODAY'S HIGH
[00:11:14] INTELLIGENCE FROM TODAY'S HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE STUDENTS,
[00:11:16] SCHOOL AND COLLEGE STUDENTS, WHICH IS ALSO HEARTENING.
[00:11:18] WHICH IS ALSO HEARTENING. >> Deana: I WANT TO ASK THE >> Deana: I WANT TO ASK THE OTHER TWO GENTLEMEN, WHAT DO YOU
[00:11:22] OTHER TWO GENTLEMEN, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? THINK ABOUT THIS? THE KIND OF FINAL THOUGHTS FOR
[00:11:25] THE KIND OF FINAL THOUGHTS FOR OUR VIEWERS.
[00:11:26] OUR VIEWERS. GARY, WHERE DO YOU STAND WHEN
[00:11:29] GARY, WHERE DO YOU STAND WHEN PEOPLE ARE HEARING SO MUCH DOOM
[00:11:31] PEOPLE ARE HEARING SO MUCH DOOM AND GLOOM AND THESE REALLY AND GLOOM AND THESE REALLY FRIGHTENING SCENARIOS, WE ARE
[00:11:35] FRIGHTENING SCENARIOS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ENDS OF TALKING ABOUT THE ENDS OF CIVILIZATION AND BILLIONS OF
[00:11:38] CIVILIZATION AND BILLIONS OF PEOPLE DYING, THIS IS JUST THE
[00:11:40] PEOPLE DYING, THIS IS JUST THE NEWS FOR THE LAST FEW WEEKS.
[00:11:44] NEWS FOR THE LAST FEW WEEKS. HOW SHOULD REGULAR PEOPLE AND HOW SHOULD REGULAR PEOPLE AND LAYPEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE DEEP
[00:11:47] LAYPEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE DEEP KNOWLEDGE OF A.I. INTERPRET KNOWLEDGE OF A.I. INTERPRET THIS?
[00:11:49] THIS? >> WE SHOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT >> WE SHOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT EXTINCTION.
[00:11:53] EXTINCTION. WE HAVE KIND OF COVERED THAT.
[00:11:54] WE HAVE KIND OF COVERED THAT. WE SHOULD WORRY ABOUT
[00:11:58] WE SHOULD WORRY ABOUT DEMOCRACY. DEMOCRACY. THE ONLY WAY THESE COMPANIES CAN
[00:12:01] THE ONLY WAY THESE COMPANIES CAN MAKE MONEY IS TO BASICALLY TURN MAKE MONEY IS TO BASICALLY TURN THEIR TOOLS INTO SURVEILLANCE
[00:12:05] THEIR TOOLS INTO SURVEILLANCE TOOLS. TOOLS. THIS A LOT OF SIGNS THAT OPEN
[00:12:07] THIS A LOT OF SIGNS THAT OPEN A.I. IS TRYING TO DO THAT AND A.I. IS TRYING TO DO THAT AND THEY'RE TRYING TO PUSH THEM IN THEY'RE TRYING TO PUSH THEM IN THAT DIRECTION.
[00:12:11] THAT DIRECTION. THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH MISINFORMATION AND WHOLESALE MISINFORMATION AND WHOLESALE THIS INFORMATION.
[00:12:15] THIS INFORMATION. THERE ARE THINGS TO WORRY THERE ARE THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT.
[00:12:17] ABOUT. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS DON'T WHAT I WOULD SAY IS DON'T PANIC.
[00:12:20] PANIC. IT IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. IT IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. EVERYDAY PEOPLE SHOULD BE
[00:12:23] EVERYDAY PEOPLE SHOULD BE WORRIED THAT WE ARE GIVING TOO WORRIED THAT WE ARE GIVING TOO MUCH POWER TO THESE COMPANIES.
[00:12:27] MUCH POWER TO THESE COMPANIES. AND ADVISORY PANEL THAT IS HALF AND ADVISORY PANEL THAT IS HALF CORPORATE IS NOT WHAT WE NEED.
[00:12:30] CORPORATE IS NOT WHAT WE NEED. WE DO NEED A STRONG STANCE TO WE DO NEED A STRONG STANCE TO MAKE SURE THESE COMPANIES ARE
[00:12:33] MAKE SURE THESE COMPANIES ARE RESPONSIBLE TO THE HARMS THAT RESPONSIBLE TO THE HARMS THAT THEY ARE CLEARLY CAUSING
[00:12:37] THEY ARE CLEARLY CAUSING SOCIETY. SOCIETY. >> Reporter: HOW WORRIED SHOULD >> Reporter: HOW WORRIED SHOULD WE BE?
[00:12:40] WE BE? >> AS A REPORTER, I LEAVE THE
[00:12:44] >> AS A REPORTER, I LEAVE THE TECHNICAL ASSESSMENT TO
[00:12:46] TECHNICAL ASSESSMENT TO PROFESSORS THAT I SHARE THIS
[00:12:50] PROFESSORS THAT I SHARE THIS WITH AND TO SOME OF THE ONES WITH AND TO SOME OF THE ONES THAT EVERYONE KNOWS IN CANADA.
[00:12:53] THAT EVERYONE KNOWS IN CANADA. ON AN INDIVIDUAL LEVEL, IT IS
[00:12:57] ON AN INDIVIDUAL LEVEL, IT IS WORTH REMEMBERING THIS IS NOT WORTH REMEMBERING THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THERE HAS BEEN
[00:13:00] THE FIRST TIME THERE HAS BEEN THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE EXISTENTIAL RISK. EXISTENTIAL RISK. TWO YEARS AGO, THREE YEARS AGO
[00:13:04] TWO YEARS AGO, THREE YEARS AGO NOW I CAN REMEMBER LOTS OF
[00:13:06] NOW I CAN REMEMBER LOTS OF PEOPLE RING IN THE U.K. FOR NAI
[00:13:09] PEOPLE RING IN THE U.K. FOR NAI SAFETY SUMMIT WHEN CONCERNS
[00:13:13] SAFETY SUMMIT WHEN CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY WERE VERY ABOUT SAFETY WERE VERY HEIGHTENED AND THEN THEY FADED
[00:13:16] HEIGHTENED AND THEN THEY FADED AWAY AND THEY HAVE SORT OF AWAY AND THEY HAVE SORT OF CROPPED UP AGAIN.
[00:13:19] CROPPED UP AGAIN. IN THE SAME WAY THAT PEOPLE
[00:13:21] IN THE SAME WAY THAT PEOPLE THINK CRITICALLY ABOUT THE NEW
[00:13:24] THINK CRITICALLY ABOUT THE NEW STAKE OF THIS, IT IS CRITICAL DO
[00:13:27] STAKE OF THIS, IT IS CRITICAL DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE NEWS YOU
[00:13:29] YOU THINK ABOUT THE NEWS YOU CONSUME AND A.I. AND WHETHER HOW CONSUME AND A.I. AND WHETHER HOW MUCH OF THIS POPULATION OF THE
[00:13:32] MUCH OF THIS POPULATION OF THE PEOPLE BUILDING THE TECHNOLOGY
[00:13:34] PEOPLE BUILDING THE TECHNOLOGY AND WHAT THEY REPRESENT.
[00:13:38] AND WHAT THEY REPRESENT. >> Deana: I WANTED TO THANK ALL >> Deana: I WANTED TO THANK ALL THREE OF YOU FOR PUTTING THIS
[00:13:41] THREE OF YOU FOR PUTTING THIS INTO CONTEXT FOR US AND FOR YOUR
[00:13:45] INTO CONTEXT FOR US AND FOR YOUR TIME.
[00:13:48] TIME. THANK YOU TO ALL THREE OF YOU.
[00:15:54] Well, as diesel prices continue to rise around the world, including in Canada,
[00:15:57] the G7 has agreed to coordinate a massive release from their
[00:16:01] strategic petroleum reserves.
[00:16:04] You know, the barrel, 100 million barrels,
[00:16:07] according to French President Emmanuel Macron,
[00:16:10] including a lot of diesel fuel to help push down those prices,
[00:16:13] which thanks to supply disruptions have soared since
[00:16:17] the Trump administration launched its ongoing war with
[00:16:20] Iran seven months ago.
[00:16:22] All right, for more on the move, let's bring in senior business
[00:16:26] correspondent Peter Armstrong. So, Peter,
[00:16:28] if the idea is to bring down the price of diesel,
[00:16:30] will it work? Maybe some a bit, right?
[00:16:32] But at the end of the day, the move here wasn't really to
[00:16:35] release all these reserves of oil or of diesel. This was
[00:16:38] fundamentally about preventing Trump from making good on that
[00:16:42] threat to ban
[00:16:43] diesel exports from the United States because that would have
[00:16:46] been hugely disruptive. That would have had all kinds of
[00:16:49] unintended consequences for the United States and the world.
[00:16:53] So Trump spoke about this at the White House. He said the
[00:16:56] export ban was never really on the table. I mean,
[00:16:59] so was it just a threat? Well, whether it was just a threat or
[00:17:03] something he was going to make good on,
[00:17:05] he can say it worked. It got done what he wanted to do. He
[00:17:09] could hold this up now and say, look,
[00:17:11] I made that happen. They're going to be making a major
[00:17:14] world contribution, and so are we. And we're not
[00:17:17] going to be doing the export ban. We're going to be doing
[00:17:21] what we're supposed to do. But I did ask.
[00:17:24] We're gonna have a lot of oil
[00:17:26] and all of this, Peter, helpful for a president looking
[00:17:29] for a story to tell with the coming midterms. The agreement,
[00:17:32] and I'm reading here, specifically says they'll front
[00:17:35] load substantial diesel releases over the next 20 days,
[00:17:38] 20 days from now, smack dab on the eve of the US
[00:17:46] Armstrong, CBC's senior business correspondent.
[00:17:50] This image, taken from surveillance video
[00:17:52] at Legibly shows a tanker truck stealing diesel from a gas
[00:17:56] station near Olds. Employees at the Westview Co-op,
[00:18:00] about an hour north of Calgary, say the suspects got away with
[00:18:04] thousands of dollars worth of fuel. We have attracted a 7000
[00:18:08] liters of diesel fuel being pulled out of our tank in that
[00:18:12] one
[00:18:13] incident in about 20 minutes. I've never experienced any of
[00:18:16] this and I've I've been with the Coop for a lot of years and
[00:18:20] and multiple locations. RCMP are investigating. The Olds
[00:18:24] incident is the latest in a string of reported gas station
[00:18:27] thefts, including three in Calgary
[00:18:29] involving A tanker truck allegedly siphoning diesel from
[00:18:33] an underground tank in Olds. The images show a truck with a
[00:18:37] bright red cab and a long white tank,
[00:18:39] similar to the tanker caught on tape in the three incidents
[00:18:43] in Calgary. Police have not linked them,
[00:18:45] but the manager of the Olds gas station thinks it may be the
[00:18:48] same person or people responsible. It's definitely
[00:18:51] something looking into and it's a very serious thing that we're
[00:18:55] all looking at as to what we need to do to make sure that
[00:18:58] that doesn't happen again and that everyone's aware of it.
[00:19:02] Olds in Calgary Combined, more than 17,
[00:19:04] 000 liters of diesel has been reported stolen in about 2 1/2
[00:19:07] weeks. Ted Henley, CBC News, Calgary.
[00:19:18] OVERSIGHT, INDIGENOUS OWNERSHIP AND HIRING.
[00:19:22] AND HIRING. >>> DRIVERS CAN EXPECT MORE >>> DRIVERS CAN EXPECT MORE STICKER SHOCK AT THE GAS PUMPS
[00:19:25] STICKER SHOCK AT THE GAS PUMPS IF THEY ARE FILLING UP TODAY.
[00:19:26] IF THEY ARE FILLING UP TODAY. GAS PRICES ARE TAKING A BIG JUMP
[00:19:30] GAS PRICES ARE TAKING A BIG JUMP THIS WEEKEND. THIS WEEKEND. DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU LIVE, YOU
[00:19:33] DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU LIVE, YOU COULD SEE AN INCREASE AS MUCH AS
[00:19:35] COULD SEE AN INCREASE AS MUCH AS 14 CENTS A LITRE TODAY.
[00:19:39] 14 CENTS A LITRE TODAY. IT IS ONE OF THE SECOND INCREASE IT IS ONE OF THE SECOND INCREASE IN AS MANY DAYS.
[00:19:42] IN AS MANY DAYS. PRICES ARE EXPECTED TO DROP A PRICES ARE EXPECTED TO DROP A LITTLE TOMORROW.
[00:19:44] LITTLE TOMORROW. CONFLICT IN THE PERSIAN GULF IS
[00:19:48] CONFLICT IN THE PERSIAN GULF IS LARGELY TO BLAME AND AN LARGELY TO BLAME AND AN AGREEMENT IS EXPECTED TO REDUCE
[00:19:52] AGREEMENT IS EXPECTED TO REDUCE PRICES ON DIESEL FUEL BUT IT IS
[00:19:54] PRICES ON DIESEL FUEL BUT IT IS UNCLEAR JUST BY HOW MUCH.
[00:19:58] UNCLEAR JUST BY HOW MUCH. THE CANADIAN LOCAL AFFAIRS THE CANADIAN LOCAL AFFAIRS INSTITUTE EXPLAINS WHY WE ARE
[00:20:02] INSTITUTE EXPLAINS WHY WE ARE SEEING THESE INCREASES
[00:20:09] >> THERE ARE POSSIBLE IRANIAN STRIKES NOT JUST IN THE SHIPS
[00:20:13] STRIKES NOT JUST IN THE SHIPS THEMSELVES AND THEY THINK WE THEMSELVES AND THEY THINK WE HAVE BEEN SEEING THAT THERE WERE
[00:20:17] HAVE BEEN SEEING THAT THERE WERE A FEW TANKERS GETTING HIT JUST A FEW TANKERS GETTING HIT JUST EARLIER TODAY, BUT ALSO ON THE
[00:20:20] EARLIER TODAY, BUT ALSO ON THE OIL INFRASTRUCTURE ITS SELF.
[00:20:24] OIL INFRASTRUCTURE ITS SELF. SO THINGS LIKE REFINERIES, SO THINGS LIKE REFINERIES, PIPELINES, MAYBE EVEN UPSTREAM
[00:20:28] PIPELINES, MAYBE EVEN UPSTREAM FACILITIES IN SAUDI ARABIA AND
[00:20:30] FACILITIES IN SAUDI ARABIA AND THE UAE, QATAR AND ELSEWHERE.
[00:20:35] THE UAE, QATAR AND ELSEWHERE. BUT THESE PLACES COULD STILL BE
[00:20:36] BUT THESE PLACES COULD STILL BE HIT BY THE IRANIAN REGIME OR
[00:20:41] HIT BY THE IRANIAN REGIME OR AFFILIATED MILITIA IN IRAQ.
[00:20:43] AFFILIATED MILITIA IN IRAQ. THERE ARE STILL SOME RISKS.
[00:20:46] THERE ARE STILL SOME RISKS. THE TANKERS ARE BEING HELPED THE TANKERS ARE BEING HELPED ALONG BY THE U.S. MILITARY, BY
[00:20:50] ALONG BY THE U.S. MILITARY, BY THE U.S. NAVY, BUT THESE THE U.S. NAVY, BUT THESE FACILITIES THAT ARE ON THE
[00:20:53] FACILITIES THAT ARE ON THE GROUND ARE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT,
[00:20:55] GROUND ARE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT, IN MY MIND TO EFFECTIVELY
[00:20:59] IN MY MIND TO EFFECTIVELY PROVIDE THAT PROTECTION BECAUSE PROVIDE THAT PROTECTION BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST SITTING THERE ON
[00:21:02] THEY ARE JUST SITTING THERE ON THE GROUND AND CAN BE STRUCK BY THE GROUND AND CAN BE STRUCK BY VARIOUS MEANS.
[00:21:06] VARIOUS MEANS. >> Eli: THE PROBLEM IS THE >> Eli: THE PROBLEM IS THE CHALLENGE IS MUCH LARGER THAN
[00:21:09] CHALLENGE IS MUCH LARGER THAN THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ. THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ. EVEN WITH INCREASED FLOW OF
[00:21:12] EVEN WITH INCREASED FLOW OF SHIPPING TRAFFIC THERE'S ALSO SHIPPING TRAFFIC THERE'S ALSO THE INCREASED FLOW OF THE
[00:21:15] THE INCREASED FLOW OF THE PERCEPTION OF THAT RISK AND THE PERCEPTION OF THAT RISK AND THE LONG-TERM VIABILITY OF THE
[00:21:18] LONG-TERM VIABILITY OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.
[00:21:21] ENTIRE SYSTEM. >> THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT HOW
[00:21:25] >> THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT HOW THIS WAR WILL EVENTUALLY END.
[00:21:26] THIS WAR WILL EVENTUALLY END. WE STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT
[00:21:29] WE STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT EXACTLY WHO WILL MAINTAIN
[00:21:33] EXACTLY WHO WILL MAINTAIN CONTROL OVER THE STRAIT OF
[00:21:37] CONTROL OVER THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ. HORMUZ. IRAN IS UNDER ECONOMIC PRESSURE IRAN IS UNDER ECONOMIC PRESSURE FROM THE UNITED STATES BUT
[00:21:41] FROM THE UNITED STATES BUT THERE'S ALSO THE QUESTION OF THERE'S ALSO THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE UNITED STATES CAN
[00:21:44] WHETHER THE UNITED STATES CAN BRING ENOUGH MILITARY PRESSURE
[00:21:45] BRING ENOUGH MILITARY PRESSURE ON IRAN TO STOP WITH THESE ON IRAN TO STOP WITH THESE STRIKES.
[00:21:49] STRIKES. WE ARE STILL IN A LIMBO WE ARE STILL IN A LIMBO SITUATION WHERE NEITHER PARTY SITUATION WHERE NEITHER PARTY HAS THE UPPER HAND.
[00:21:53] HAS THE UPPER HAND. AND EITHER PARTY COULD ESCALATE
[00:21:56] AND EITHER PARTY COULD ESCALATE THINGS OR TRY TO GAIN MORE
[00:21:59] THINGS OR TRY TO GAIN MORE LEVERAGE OR TRY TO GAIN AN LEVERAGE OR TRY TO GAIN AN OFFRAMP HERE.
[00:22:02] OFFRAMP HERE. THERE ARE HUGE QUESTIONS ABOUT THERE ARE HUGE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN AND QUITE A
[00:22:05] WHAT COULD HAPPEN AND QUITE A BIT OF THIS IS ORIENTED AROUND BIT OF THIS IS ORIENTED AROUND THE UPCOMING MIDTERM ELECTIONS
[00:22:09] THE UPCOMING MIDTERM ELECTIONS IN THE UNITED STATES AS WELL. IN THE UNITED STATES AS WELL. THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO THINK
[00:22:13] THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO THINK THE IRANIANS COULD DO MILITARY THE IRANIANS COULD DO MILITARY STRIKES TO PUT MORE PRESSURE ON STRIKES TO PUT MORE PRESSURE ON THE MILITARY -
[00:22:18] My name is Corbin Giroux, I'm a compulsive gambler. At
[00:22:22] the last date that I placed a bet was April 17th. 202331 year
[00:22:26] old Corbin Giroux was the modern day gambling addict.
[00:22:29] Most of his betting done online and after Ontario opened up the
[00:22:33] market to private operators in 2022. Sports betting on sports
[00:22:37] that I don't even watch at times of the day that I
[00:22:40] shouldn't even be awake at. From there it segued into
[00:22:44] online blackjack and that was sort of like that's when it got
[00:22:48] as bad as it could
[00:22:49] gotten. Currently there are 49 operators in Ontario running 84
[00:22:53] gaming websites and October, which coincides with the NFL
[00:22:56] and NHL seasons and launch of the NBA season,
[00:22:59] is when they see a big spike in wagers. Now that we have highly
[00:23:03] regulated legal options available,
[00:23:05] there's taking people out of the Gray market and that alone
[00:23:09] has protected tremendous amount of people. But it didn't
[00:23:12] protect Giroux. And while 10s of billions are wagered each
[00:23:16] year now generating billions in revenue for Ontario, more
[00:23:20] people are seeking help. The province does have a digital
[00:23:23] tool that allows users to self exclude from online gambling
[00:23:26] sites. Creating this new commercial online market has
[00:23:29] really reduced the friction and increased the accessibility and
[00:23:33] we're seeing more and more people gambling and more and
[00:23:36] more people getting into real trouble with gambling.
[00:23:39] According to data from Connex Ontario,
[00:23:41] the province's mental health and addiction support
[00:23:44] organization, people presenting issues with
[00:23:47] online gambling has risen roughly 400% since 2022. Most
[00:23:50] are young men.
[00:23:52] My name is Damien Keelan. The last time I placed the bet was
[00:23:56] December 15th, 2005.
[00:23:59] Damien Keelan is a member of Hamilton's Gamblers Anonymous
[00:24:03] meeting an old timer that's helped guide Guru and other
[00:24:06] newcomers in the early stages of recovery. But it's all on
[00:24:10] line. Ever since COVID hit, we've seen them explosion
[00:24:14] of online gambling, phone addiction. While decades
[00:24:17] separate the two members, their experiences are similar.
[00:24:21] The lying, deceitful, cheating,
[00:24:24] you know, whatever I can get away with,
[00:24:27] I tried to get away with these rooms here,
[00:24:29] save my life. The whole point of the program is it's so much
[00:24:33] more than just not gambling, it's just being able to be
[00:24:36] comfortable in your own skin. As the province plans to expand
[00:24:40] both the online and in person casino markets,
[00:24:43] Keelan and Giroux worry about the potential harms and
[00:24:46] encourage anyone who's struggling to reach out for
[00:24:49] help. Dale Manokotak, CBC News, Hamilton.
[00:30:34] It is a comeback years in the making. Céline Dion finally
[00:30:37] back on stage for a series of sold out concerts in Paris. It
[00:30:41] has been a long journey for the Canadian superstar who shocked
[00:30:45] the world back in 2022 when she revealed she was leaving the
[00:30:49] stage. No concerts, no tours as she battled A
[00:30:52] debilitating autoimmune disorder called Stiff Person
[00:30:55] Syndrome. You may remember she spoke with me back in 2024. It
[00:30:59] was her first Canadian interview in English after