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[00:00:26] I'm Adrian Arceneaux, chief correspondent for CBC News. Here's what's making news right now.
[00:00:34] AMBULANCE. THE U.S. COAST GUARD HAS THE U.S. COAST GUARD HAS PROVIDED. AN UPDATE SAYING THE
[00:00:37] PROVIDED. AN UPDATE SAYING THE SEARCH IS ONGOING.
[00:00:38] SEARCH IS ONGOING. SEARCHERS DISCOVERED A DEBRIS
[00:00:42] SEARCHERS DISCOVERED A DEBRIS FIELD YESTERDAY.
[00:00:44] FIELD YESTERDAY. THE AIRCRAFT HAD BEEN FLYING TO THE AIRCRAFT HAD BEEN FLYING TO BOSTON FROM BERMUDA FOUR
[00:00:48] BOSTON FROM BERMUDA FOUR CANADIANS AMONG THE SIX PEOPLE CANADIANS AMONG THE SIX PEOPLE ON BOARD.
[00:00:52] ON BOARD. CBC'S MICHELLE SONG HAS BEEN CBC'S MICHELLE SONG HAS BEEN TRACKING THE LATEST.
[00:00:55] TRACKING THE LATEST. WHAT DID WE LEARN? WHAT DID WE LEARN? >> Reporter: THE U.S. COAST
[00:00:59] >> Reporter: THE U.S. COAST GUARD SAYS THEIR PRIORITY IS TO GUARD SAYS THEIR PRIORITY IS TO FIND THOSE SIX PEOPLE WHO WERE
[00:01:02] FIND THOSE SIX PEOPLE WHO WERE ON BOARD THAT FLIGHT. ON BOARD THAT FLIGHT. THEY SAY THAT THEY HAVE NOTIFIED
[00:01:05] THEY SAY THAT THEY HAVE NOTIFIED THE NEXT OF KIN OF THE PROGRESS
[00:01:07] THE NEXT OF KIN OF THE PROGRESS SO FAR INTO THE SEARCH.
[00:01:11] SO FAR INTO THE SEARCH. FOUR MISSING ARE CANADIAN.
[00:01:13] FOUR MISSING ARE CANADIAN. TWO ARE BERMUDA NATIONALS. TWO ARE BERMUDA NATIONALS. THEY WOULDN'T IDENTIFY
[00:01:17] THEY WOULDN'T IDENTIFY INDIVIDUALS OUT OF RESPECT FOR INDIVIDUALS OUT OF RESPECT FOR THEIR FAMILIES PRIVACY.
[00:01:20] THEIR FAMILIES PRIVACY. THE COAST GUARD WAS ASKED TO THE COAST GUARD WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE A SPECIFIC TIMELINE FOR
[00:01:23] PROVIDE A SPECIFIC TIMELINE FOR HOW MUCH LONGER THEY WILL HOW MUCH LONGER THEY WILL CONTINUE THE SEARCH.
[00:01:26] CONTINUE THE SEARCH. TAKE A LISTEN.
[00:01:28] TAKE A LISTEN. >> WE'LL CONTINUE TO SEARCH AND
[00:01:31] >> WE'LL CONTINUE TO SEARCH AND SATURATE THE AREA UNTIL WE'RE AT SATURATE THE AREA UNTIL WE'RE AT THE POINT WE'RE CONFIDENT IF
[00:01:34] THE POINT WE'RE CONFIDENT IF THERE'S SURVIVORS REMAINING WE THERE'S SURVIVORS REMAINING WE WOULD HAVE FOUND THEM.
[00:01:37] WOULD HAVE FOUND THEM. IT IS RATHER LARGE AREA TO IT IS RATHER LARGE AREA TO SEARCH.
[00:01:40] SEARCH. WE HAVE SUFFICIENT ASSETS WHERE
[00:01:42] WE HAVE SUFFICIENT ASSETS WHERE WE ARE SATURATING THE AREA
[00:01:45] WE ARE SATURATING THE AREA HOPING TO THE FIND THEM. HOPING TO THE FIND THEM. >> Reporter: THEY DID FIND AND
[00:01:48] >> Reporter: THEY DID FIND AND CONFIRM THE DEBRIS IS PART OF CONFIRM THE DEBRIS IS PART OF THE AIR AMBULANCE BUT THEY SAY
[00:01:51] THE AIR AMBULANCE BUT THEY SAY BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF DEBRIS,
[00:01:54] BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF DEBRIS, THEY COULDN'T GET INTO THE THEY COULDN'T GET INTO THE SPECIFICS ABOUT IT AND WHAT WAS
[00:01:57] SPECIFICS ABOUT IT AND WHAT WAS RECOVERED OR HOW MANY ITEMS THEY RECOVERED OR HOW MANY ITEMS THEY FOUND.
[00:02:00] FOUND. THEY SAID THIS THEY HAVE THEY SAID THIS THEY HAVE SAFEGUARDED THE DEBRIS FOR THAT
[00:02:03] SAFEGUARDED THE DEBRIS FOR THAT WIDER INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT WIDER INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT HAPPENED INTO THE FLIGHT.
[00:02:06] HAPPENED INTO THE FLIGHT. THEY ARE STILL TRYING TO RECOVER THEY ARE STILL TRYING TO RECOVER A BLACK BOX AS THEY SAY THEY
[00:02:09] A BLACK BOX AS THEY SAY THEY HAVE YET TO FIND THAT. HAVE YET TO FIND THAT. >> Linda: THAT WILL BE KEY
[00:02:12] >> Linda: THAT WILL BE KEY TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LEAD UP TO THIS HAPPENED IN THE LEAD UP TO THIS PLANE GOING MISSING.
[00:02:16] PLANE GOING MISSING. DID THEY GIVE US ANY INFORMATION DID THEY GIVE US ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THAT?
[00:02:20] ABOUT THAT? >> Reporter: THEY DON'T HAVE >> Reporter: THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH
[00:02:23] MUCH ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE INVESTIGATION. THE INVESTIGATION. THEY SAID THAT RIGHT NOW THE
[00:02:26] THEY SAID THAT RIGHT NOW THE PRIORITY REALLY IS THE PRIORITY REALLY IS THE SEARCH-AND-RESCUE.
[00:02:29] SEARCH-AND-RESCUE. I WANT TO TAKE YOU BACK INTO I WANT TO TAKE YOU BACK INTO WHAT HAPPENED RIGHT BEFORE THE
[00:02:32] WHAT HAPPENED RIGHT BEFORE THE FLIGHT WENT DOWN.
[00:02:33] FLIGHT WENT DOWN. THIS FLIGHT WAS HEADING TO
[00:02:36] THIS FLIGHT WAS HEADING TO BOSTON FROM BERMUDA TRANSPORTING BOSTON FROM BERMUDA TRANSPORTING A PATIENT AND THEIR FAMILY
[00:02:39] A PATIENT AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBER.
[00:02:41] MEMBER. AROUND 1:30 SATURDAY MORNING THE
[00:02:45] AROUND 1:30 SATURDAY MORNING THE JET LOST CONTACT WITH FLIGHT
[00:02:49] JET LOST CONTACT WITH FLIGHT DATA CONTROL. DATA CONTROL. THE AIRCRAFT DROPPED FROM AN ALL
[00:02:52] THE AIRCRAFT DROPPED FROM AN ALL THE ATTITUDE OF 24,000 FEET TO
[00:02:55] THE ATTITUDE OF 24,000 FEET TO 11,000 FEET AND THEN LEVELED OFF 11,000 FEET AND THEN LEVELED OFF BEFORE IT VANISHED.
[00:03:00] BEFORE IT VANISHED. A SPOKESPERSON FOR THE NANTUCKET A SPOKESPERSON FOR THE NANTUCKET MEMORIAL AIRPORT SAID THE FLIGHT
[00:03:04] MEMORIAL AIRPORT SAID THE FLIGHT DECLARED AN EMERGENCY BEFORE IT DECLARED AN EMERGENCY BEFORE IT LOST CONTACT.
[00:03:07] LOST CONTACT. HERE'S A BIT OF AUDIO OF AIR HERE'S A BIT OF AUDIO OF AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL ASKING ANOTHER
[00:03:11] TRAFFIC CONTROL ASKING ANOTHER AIRCRAFT FOR HELP.
[00:03:13] AIRCRAFT FOR HELP. >> WHEN YOU LOOK TO SEE IF
[00:03:18] >> WHEN YOU LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S AN AIRCRAFT OUT THERE.
[00:03:21] THERE'S AN AIRCRAFT OUT THERE. >> Reporter: STILL SO MANY >> Reporter: STILL SO MANY QUESTIONS, LINDA, INTO WHAT
[00:03:25] QUESTIONS, LINDA, INTO WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE THE FLIGHT. HAPPENED BEFORE THE FLIGHT. THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT SAYS
[00:03:27] THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT SAYS THEY ARE IN TOUCH WITH THE THEY ARE IN TOUCH WITH THE AUTHORITIES ON THE GROUND AND AUTHORITIES ON THE GROUND AND THEY ARE
[00:03:37] EMERGING FROM THE AUTHORITIES IN THE UAE WHO ARE LEADING THIS
[00:03:42] THE UAE WHO ARE LEADING THIS INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION. IT IS ONE OF THE FIRST TIME THEY
[00:03:45] IT IS ONE OF THE FIRST TIME THEY HAVE USED THE WORD TERRORISM IN
[00:03:46] HAVE USED THE WORD TERRORISM IN RELATION TO THIS INCIDENT.
[00:03:49] ACCORDING TO REUTERS AND THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, THE UAE ASSOCIATED PRESS, THE UAE PROSECUTOR GENERAL SAID THE
[00:03:52] PROSECUTOR GENERAL SAID THE COPILOT OF FLY DUBAI 1073 TRY TO
[00:03:56] COPILOT OF FLY DUBAI 1073 TRY TO TAKE CONTROL OF THE PLANE AND TAKE CONTROL OF THE PLANE AND CARRY OUT A TERRORIST ATTACK
[00:03:59] CARRY OUT A TERRORIST ATTACK WHICH WE NOW KNOW WAS THWARTED
[00:04:01] WHICH WE NOW KNOW WAS THWARTED BY THE PASSENGERS WHO INTERVENE.
[00:04:07] BY THE PASSENGERS WHO INTERVENE. INVESTIGATORS ARE STILL COMBING INVESTIGATORS ARE STILL COMBING THROUGH EVIDENCE AND WORKING TO
[00:04:11] THROUGH EVIDENCE AND WORKING TO ESTABLISH A MOTIVE. ESTABLISH A MOTIVE. THE UAE HASN'T NAMED THE SUSPECT
[00:04:14] THE UAE HASN'T NAMED THE SUSPECT BUT MULTIPLE MEDIA OUTLETS BUT MULTIPLE MEDIA OUTLETS HAVE.
[00:04:17] HAVE. THEY SAY HE IS A NATIONAL OF
[00:04:20] THEY SAY HE IS A NATIONAL OF OMAN. OMAN. THE ASSOCIATED PRESS SAYS HE HAD
[00:04:24] THE ASSOCIATED PRESS SAYS HE HAD PREVIOUSLY WORKED FOR OMAN AIR PREVIOUSLY WORKED FOR OMAN AIR BUT HAD BEEN REMOVED OF A -- AS
[00:04:28] BUT HAD BEEN REMOVED OF A -- AS A PILOT BECAUSE OF HIS EXTREMIST A PILOT BECAUSE OF HIS EXTREMIST VIEWS.
[00:04:32] VIEWS. THAT LEAVES BIG QUESTIONS FOR THAT LEAVES BIG QUESTIONS FOR FLY DUBAI ABOUT HOW THEY VETTED
[00:04:35] FLY DUBAI ABOUT HOW THEY VETTED HIM AND HOW HE WAS ALLOWED TO HIM AND HOW HE WAS ALLOWED TO FLY ON A ROUTE TO ISRAEL.
[00:04:38] FLY ON A ROUTE TO ISRAEL. ISRAEL DOES NOT ALLOW PILOTS
[00:04:40] ISRAEL DOES NOT ALLOW PILOTS INTO ITS AIRSPACE IF THEY COME
[00:04:43] INTO ITS AIRSPACE IF THEY COME FROM COUNTRIES THAT DON'T HAVE FROM COUNTRIES THAT DON'T HAVE DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH ISRAEL
[00:04:46] DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH ISRAEL AND THAT INCLUDES OMAN. AND THAT INCLUDES OMAN. THE UAE'S PROSECUTOR GENERAL
[00:04:50] THE UAE'S PROSECUTOR GENERAL ALSO REVEALED THE WEAPON THAT ALSO REVEALED THE WEAPON THAT WAS USED.
[00:04:53] WAS USED. IT WAS A CRASH ASK.
[00:04:54] IT WAS A CRASH ASK. WE CAN SHOW YOU WHAT IT CAN LOOK
[00:04:57] WE CAN SHOW YOU WHAT IT CAN LOOK LIKE. LIKE. THIS IS THE ONE FROM THE FLY THIS IS THE ONE FROM THE FLY DUBAI PLANE.
[00:05:01] DUBAI PLANE. IT ILLUSTRATES WHAT KIND OF IT ILLUSTRATES WHAT KIND OF WEAPON WAS USED.
[00:05:04] WEAPON WAS USED. THEY ARE FOUND IN THE COCKPITS
[00:05:06] THEY ARE FOUND IN THE COCKPITS OF PLANES FOR EMERGENCIES. OF PLANES FOR EMERGENCIES. IF A PLANE OR TO CRASH AND THE
[00:05:10] IF A PLANE OR TO CRASH AND THE DOORS OR WINDOWS WERE STUCK THAN DOORS OR WINDOWS WERE STUCK THAN A CRASH ASK COULD BE USED TO
[00:05:14] A CRASH ASK COULD BE USED TO BREAK THEM DOWN AND HELP PILOTS
[00:05:15] BREAK THEM DOWN AND HELP PILOTS ESCAPE THE COCKPIT.
[00:05:19] ESCAPE THE COCKPIT. IT COULD BE REVIEWED AFTER THIS
[00:05:23] IT COULD BE REVIEWED AFTER THIS INCIDENT.
[00:05:26] INCIDENT. IT BECAME THE PRACTICE AFTER
[00:05:28] IT BECAME THE PRACTICE AFTER 9/11 BUT AFTER THIS CASE, THE
[00:05:30] 9/11 BUT AFTER THIS CASE, THE PASSENGER SURVIVED AND THE
[00:05:32] PASSENGER SURVIVED AND THE CAPTAIN WAS ABLE TO UNLOCK THE
[00:05:35] CAPTAIN WAS ABLE TO UNLOCK THE COCKPIT AND ALLOW THE PASSENGERS COCKPIT AND ALLOW THE PASSENGERS TO COME TO HIS AID.
[00:05:38] TO COME TO HIS AID. IF HE HAD BEEN UNABLE TO DO THAT
[00:05:42] It is absolutely shocking that the people on this plane
[00:05:45] survived.
[00:05:47] Look, this is video taken by a
[00:05:50] passenger. Pure panic onboard fly Dubai flight 1073 after the
[00:05:54] copilot of the plane allegedly stabbed the pilot. The entire
[00:05:59] plane at this point at grave risk of crashing and everyone
[00:06:03] was screaming, there were children crying.
[00:06:06] Except a whole series of things happen. Highly improbable,
[00:06:10] almost impossible, it seems to me
[00:06:14] as a commercial.
[00:06:19] All of these incredible things together end up saving
[00:06:23] everybody's life against all odds. And I'm going to show you
[00:06:26] how
[00:06:31] there were more than 170 people on board this flight,
[00:06:35] which is a daily flight running from Dubai International in the
[00:06:39] United Arab Emirates to Ben Gurion International near Tel
[00:06:43] Aviv in Israel. This is what that flight path normally looks
[00:06:47] like. It's about a three hour flight,
[00:06:49] except on September 30th, things would take a very abrupt
[00:06:53] turn here. But when I say abrupt turn,
[00:06:56] I don't mean left or right, I mean down.
[00:06:59] At around 8:21 AM local time over Saudi airspace,
[00:07:02] the plane lost altitude more than 17,
[00:07:05] 000 feet in under a minute and it speed up dramatically as it
[00:07:10] pitched towards the earth
[00:07:14] Jordanian border. Suddenly the aircraft dropped a massive
[00:07:18] massive turbulence for 2030 seconds. We know now what was
[00:07:22] happening around this time was the planes copilot allegedly
[00:07:26] attacking the planes captain nearly killing him. The
[00:07:30] struggle beginning after he stabbed the other pilot and
[00:07:34] sent the jet plunging thousands of meters in just seconds. At
[00:07:38] this point, with the attacker taking
[00:07:40] control, potentially looking to crash
[00:07:43] the plane, the only way that people on
[00:07:46] board survive is if the captain survives. And improbably,
[00:07:50] he does. This is him, Captain Smith Matcha from India.
[00:07:53] He somehow manages to survive a surprise attack from an armed
[00:07:58] assailant in close quarters while flying a plane. But he's
[00:08:02] down and in a real bad way. One of the passengers,
[00:08:05] a dentist would later tell CNN. Much other suffered massive
[00:08:09] blood loss, was severely wounded. He was
[00:08:12] covered in cuts, his head,
[00:08:14] his hands, they were practically sliced
[00:08:16] open, almost severed in two.
[00:08:18] Historically when 1 pilot turns on the other. There are clear
[00:08:23] examples where this ends in disaster for everybody on board.
[00:08:27] In 2015, Germanwings flight 9525,
[00:08:29] the copilot locks the captain out of the cockpit when he
[00:08:33] leaves to use the bathroom. He then manually steers the plane
[00:08:37] into a rapid descent, crashing into the French Alps.
[00:08:41] Everybody on board dies. Or just a couple years before that,
[00:08:45] in 2013, same thing, except this time it's the
[00:08:48] captain on a flight from Mozambique who locks the
[00:08:51] copilot out of the cockpit. He crashes the plane into a
[00:08:55] National Park in Namibia, once again killing everybody on
[00:08:59] board. But this time, Captain Matcha survives the
[00:09:02] attack from his copilot and manages to do one other
[00:09:05] incredible thing that's single handedly triggers a series of
[00:09:09] events that keep that plane in the air.
[00:09:17] So imagine the copilot is believed to have attacked the
[00:09:21] captain with some sort of stabbing weapon,
[00:09:24] leaves him bleeding on the ground. I've seen multiple
[00:09:28] reports that he was so grievously wounded he was on
[00:09:32] the verge of passing out completely even that he did at
[00:09:35] one point, but just before he did he
[00:09:38] somehow unlocks the cockpit door. They redesigned airplanes
[00:09:42] to, in fact, create
[00:09:44] this impenetrable door between the cabin and the cockpit. That
[00:09:48] door remains locked from the incident. Problem with
[00:09:51] yesterday is that the threat did not come from the cabinet.
[00:09:55] This is the critical point at which the entire arc of this
[00:09:58] crisis pivots. It's where passengers begin to realize not
[00:10:02] just that something has gone terribly wrong,
[00:10:05] but that they can do something about it.
[00:10:08] The plane just started going up and down,
[00:10:11] says 1 passenger. We started hearing screams. The plane,
[00:10:14] according to those on board, nose dived at a sickening angle.
[00:10:18] Overhead bins popped open and luggage flew out. Other
[00:10:22] accounts spoke of incredible G forces almost pinning
[00:10:25] passengers to their seats as the plane itself plunged and
[00:10:29] leveled repeatedly. It was like the craziest Holocaust that you
[00:10:33] ever did, but like, multiplied by
[00:10:36] father. It felt like something really wrong is happening here.
[00:10:40] So for some passengers to have overcome this chaos and to have
[00:10:44] the instinct to burst into the cockpit to see what was wrong,
[00:10:48] Yet another incredible development,
[00:10:51] without which I don't know how this plane survives. Eventually,
[00:10:55] one man bursts in and grabs the assailant, the copilot,
[00:10:59] from behind. Yes,
[00:11:03] the first Beta beta message.
[00:11:09] That's one of the many heroes of this story. By all accounts,
[00:11:13] wrestling control of the plane from the alleged hijacker
[00:11:17] happened very quickly. The dentist I mentioned earlier,
[00:11:21] he says he tied the attacker up using headphone cords and
[00:11:24] plastic zip ties. He then started tending to the wounded
[00:11:28] pilot. He was in serious condition, not critical,
[00:11:31] perhaps, but serious due to the massive
[00:11:34] blood loss. And that would have looked like
[00:11:38] and a warn you this is the most graphic part of the story
[00:11:41] because it's at this point we have video of the state of the
[00:11:45] lanes captain as he's lying injured on the floor.
[00:11:49] But this was the scene you're looking at. 2 bloodied pilots
[00:11:53] on the floor on this passenger jet in mid air,
[00:11:56] passengers holding one of them down,
[00:11:59] treating the other. The reason I show that to you is because I
[00:12:03] want you to understand how unreal this all would have felt
[00:12:07] to everybody on board. And yet we have yet another improbable
[00:12:11] act from the very same passenger who claims to have
[00:12:15] subdued the attacker in the 1st place. He single handedly pulls
[00:12:19] the plane out of its nose dive.
[00:12:22] Uh,
[00:12:25] yeah.
[00:12:27] He would later reveal he learned that move from TV shows
[00:12:31] pulling on the pilot steering column,
[00:12:33] the yoke to pitch the planes nose up. They actually pull up
[00:12:37] the stick the the airplane stick. The plane was decreasing
[00:12:41] in very, very sharp angle. It is a
[00:12:43] tricky maneuver, you know, not normal or a commercial
[00:12:46] airliner to be in that flight position to be nose down at 600
[00:12:50] miles an hour. But even all this,
[00:12:52] as improbable as it all is put together,
[00:12:55] only leads to yet another impossible question.
[00:12:59] How do you land a plane when you have no pilot?
[00:13:07] In a normal emergency, if such a thing even exists,
[00:13:11] the pilot is doing more than just flying the plane and
[00:13:14] landing it. They are the planes eyes and ears,
[00:13:18] navigating weather patterns, how much fuel they've got left,
[00:13:22] and which runways are even available and safe. There was
[00:13:26] nothing but desert beneath US1 passenger told CNN. We feared
[00:13:30] being taken to an enemy country or landing in the middle of the
[00:13:34] desert. We didn't know who to trust. Now,
[00:13:37] if this were a Hollywood movie, the scripted stroke of luck
[00:13:41] here would be that someone on board is simply bold enough to
[00:13:45] do something like land a plane that they've never done before
[00:13:49] and it just happens to work out. But in real life,
[00:13:53] there just happened to be another set of pilots on board,
[00:13:57] an off duty British pilot along with another, together,
[00:14:00] a pair of relief pilots who were meant to fly the next
[00:14:04] flight
[00:14:05] was fortunate that they were on an airplane that had this extra
[00:14:09] deadheading crew, as we call it. You know,
[00:14:12] but to actually jump into a pilot seat when you've got
[00:14:16] another pilot next to you that potentially was suicidal and
[00:14:20] the captain of the aircraft neutralized as well was
[00:14:24] absolutely heroic action. Those 2 pilots took control of the
[00:14:28] plane, diverted to an airport not in
[00:14:31] Israel where they were originally going,
[00:14:33] but in nearby Saudi Arabia instead.
[00:14:36] Which interestingly is a country Israel has no formal
[00:14:40] diplomatic relations with, but that years ago did open its
[00:14:44] airspace. 2 passenger planes flying to and from Israel. So
[00:14:48] they had control of the plane and a safe runway to land on.
[00:14:52] But there was still one more problem. The plane was badly
[00:14:56] damaged. When I saw the images of the aircraft on the ground
[00:15:00] with the rudder section torn out,
[00:15:02] I immediately had a cold chill. If you've ever looked at the
[00:15:06] back of a plane,
[00:15:08] you know what that vertical tail looks like. But what's a
[00:15:11] little more subtle than that is the rudder,
[00:15:14] which is this movable flap that controls the side to side
[00:15:17] swinging of the lanes nose. It's basically stabilizing the
[00:15:21] plane. If you RIP that out, as you can see in these photos
[00:15:24] here of this fly Dubai flight shortly after emergency landing,
[00:15:28] you have two problems. 1 is that you're possibly bleeding
[00:15:31] hydraulic fluid out all over the place,
[00:15:34] which affects a whole bunch of other systems on the plane. But
[00:15:38] two,
[00:15:39] landing becomes more dangerous. Letters are the key element of
[00:15:42] aircraft stability, particularly at landing. And in
[00:15:46] this case the runner was not there. The airplane went
[00:15:49] through extensive aerodynamic shot. All of the experts I've
[00:15:53] heard on this believe it was the planes nosedive. We
[00:15:56] mentioned at the start that sudden steep descent that
[00:16:00] likely applied enormous aerodynamic forces to the tail,
[00:16:03] enough to RIP that part of the rudder right off. But somehow
[00:16:07] those two relief pilots
[00:16:09] managed to land the plane regardless,
[00:16:15] so now investigators have their work cut out for them. Why did
[00:16:19] this copilot hijack the plane, and what was he trying to do?
[00:16:23] Did he improvise the weapon he used,
[00:16:26] or did he smuggle it on board? And Speaking of getting on
[00:16:29] board, should intelligence or law
[00:16:32] enforcement officers have known to apprehend him before he got
[00:16:36] on that plane? Those answers will hopefully
[00:16:39] come with time, but all we know now is that
[00:16:42] this plane load of passengers somehow pulled off the
[00:16:45] impossible. The captain surviving A devastating attack,
[00:16:49] managing with his last sliver of consciousness to open the
[00:16:52] cockpit door, allowing passengers undergoing
[00:16:55] extreme G forces to storm that cockpit, subdue the attacker,
[00:16:59] pull the plane out of the nosedive just in time. And then
[00:17:03] they just happened to have a pair of pilots on hand who
[00:17:06] grabbed the controls, find a safe runway to land on,
[00:17:09] and manage to do so with a severely damaged rudder in a
[00:17:13] plane that no inspector would ever consider airworthy.
[00:17:16] I don't know what you call that, but as terrible and traumatic
[00:17:21] as it was for everyone involved, those folks undeniably got very,
[00:17:26] very lucky.
[00:20:28] The governor has entrusted my office with this investigation
[00:20:32] and we do not take that responsibility lightly. That's
[00:20:35] New York's attorney general now in charge of the investigation
[00:20:39] into an alleged gang rape at Cornell University. The alleged
[00:20:43] 2024 crime at a frat house at the Ivy League school is
[00:20:46] drawing outrage from around the world. New York's governor has
[00:20:50] appointed Letitia James to take the lead after saying she has
[00:20:54] lost faith in how the case has been handled. For many
[00:20:58] Canadians, the details of the Cornell case
[00:21:00] may sound familiar. Legal experts
[00:21:02] pointed out the parallels between it and the 2018 Hockey
[00:21:06] Canada case that was settled last year. So to dig deeper
[00:21:09] into what these similarities reveal has turned to Gillian
[00:21:12] Nature. She is a lawyer who has represented victims of sexual
[00:21:16] violence. Julian, appreciate you coming in and
[00:21:19] talk to us. Thank you. Appreciate the invitation. So
[00:21:22] you told CBC that this is more than a coincidence with the
[00:21:25] details we know so far. What do these cases have in common?
[00:21:29] I think that the parallels are overwhelming when you really
[00:21:32] just pair it back.
[00:21:34] They both started as nights out for young people. There was
[00:21:38] alcohol involved and started with a consensual encounter
[00:21:42] between two young people, but quickly spiraled out of
[00:21:45] control when a young woman found herself in a room heavily
[00:21:49] intoxicated and a young man, unbeknownst to her,
[00:21:53] invited a chat chat group full of men to come in and have sex
[00:21:57] with her. And I think that's in some ways just where the
[00:22:01] parallels begin. And so that's where the parallels
[00:22:05] again, and then they continue from,
[00:22:07] from what we know. You think I, I mean,
[00:22:10] I think that that the way that both victims,
[00:22:13] from what I understand, responded to what they endured
[00:22:17] in the aftermath are also strikingly similar and will
[00:22:21] sound extremely familiar to any woman who's ever endured any
[00:22:26] kind of sexual assault. I see this all the time in my
[00:22:30] practice where at first there's often a denial that sets in or
[00:22:35] desire to sort of
[00:22:36] minimize, normalize, regularize, believe you can put it behind
[00:22:40] you and just move on with your life. And as you process that
[00:22:44] experience and as the trauma becomes sort of too large
[00:22:48] internally to ignore, that is when the allegations
[00:22:52] come forth. Unfortunately, when you're dealing with legal
[00:22:56] allegations sort of that, that initial psychological
[00:22:59] response is so often used against these women. And when
[00:23:03] they do report
[00:23:05] laws different in Canada and the US,
[00:23:08] when it comes to all of that that you just laid out there,
[00:23:11] they're largely the same. New York has one particular
[00:23:15] exception, which is that,
[00:23:18] and I am not a New York lawyer, but if you consume alcohol
[00:23:22] voluntarily, then you cannot raise
[00:23:24] intoxication as something vitiated your consent shy of
[00:23:28] being blackout drunk. And to speak candidly,
[00:23:31] I think that's insane. It's the ultimate in a sort of blame the
[00:23:35] victim piece of legislation where essentially you're saying
[00:23:39] to young women, well, if you go out and get drunk,
[00:23:43] even though you're of age and it's legal to consume alcohol
[00:23:47] problem, that's your
[00:23:48] problem. You are responsible for what happens to you
[00:23:51] thereafter. Wow, OK. That that is a key
[00:23:53] difference. I did not realize both OEM and Jane Doe,
[00:23:56] they chose to pursue civil cases rather than criminal ones.
[00:23:59] Tell us why that that's significant. I think it's again
[00:24:02] in the in the hockey case. That's right. Of course,
[00:24:05] there's a different standard of proof. And so when you report
[00:24:08] allegations to the police and they choose to prosecute,
[00:24:11] they have to prove those allegations beyond a reasonable
[00:24:14] doubt. That's an incredibly high standard,
[00:24:16] very difficult to overcome. And so in all the hand wringing
[00:24:20] we've done over the years about how to secure better conviction
[00:24:24] rates and sexual assault, you know,
[00:24:26] the the criminal system does what it's intended to do. It's
[00:24:30] not a truth seeking process. It is designed to rigorously test
[00:24:34] evidence and decide if there's sufficient evidence to deprive
[00:24:38] somebody of their liberty in a criminal context. Civil cases
[00:24:41] sort of weigh the allegations and decide what is more likely
[00:24:45] than not true. And so all of the information that's come out
[00:24:49] with the text change both
[00:24:51] the night of and after the fact, which is which is the number.
[00:24:55] Another parallel between the Hockey Canada case and the
[00:24:58] Cornell case. People will be questioned on those. You get
[00:25:02] the fuller picture. And so it is very common for victims to
[00:25:05] pursue civil cases. What do you make of what we were learning
[00:25:09] today where a special prosecutor has been appointed
[00:25:13] to look into this Governor held a news conference and and where
[00:25:17] this may be going next? I think it's all the people in
[00:25:20] authority trying to
[00:25:22] Telegraph that they are taking these situations seriously. I
[00:25:26] don't have high hopes for our prosecution in the Cornell case,
[00:25:30] just like, candidly, I didn't have high hopes for a
[00:25:34] prosecution in the Hockey Canada case. Again,
[00:25:37] because you see these young women coping in this situation
[00:25:42] by fawning, by pleasing, by trying to, you know,
[00:25:45] avoid creating an immediate conflict that could potentially
[00:25:50] jeopardize their physical safety
[00:25:52] and by normalizing after the fact. And that's going to be
[00:25:55] the kiss of death when it comes to proving allegations beyond a
[00:25:59] reasonable doubt. Jillian, it was good of you to come in
[00:26:02] and talk to us about an important story. Thank you.
[00:26:05] Jillian Nachu is a lawyer and legal expert in gender based violence.
[00:28:10] NANTUCKET. IT IS THE LAST DAY OF
[00:28:13] IT IS THE LAST DAY OF CAMPAIGNING IN QUEBEC. CAMPAIGNING IN QUEBEC. AHEAD OF TOMORROW'S PROVINCIAL
[00:28:17] AHEAD OF TOMORROW'S PROVINCIAL ELECTION. ELECTION. THE CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN ESPECIALLY THE CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN ESPECIALLY CROWDED WITH ALL PARTIES IN
[00:28:21] CROWDED WITH ALL PARTIES IN POSITION TO POTENTIALLY HAVE
[00:28:23] POSITION TO POTENTIALLY HAVE MEMBERS ELECTED FOR THE FIRST
[00:28:30] TIME IN MORE THAN 50 YEARS. ALEXANDRE SILBERMAN JOIN US NOW ALEXANDRE SILBERMAN JOIN US NOW FROM MONTREAL. FROM MONTREAL. WALK US THROUGH THE DIFFERENT
[00:28:34] WALK US THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PARTIES AND WHY THE PQ IS
[00:28:37] PARTIES AND WHY THE PQ IS GETTING TRACTION HERE? GETTING TRACTION HERE? >> Reporter: LINDA, LIKE YOU
[00:28:40] >> Reporter: LINDA, LIKE YOU SAID, AN INCREDIBLY CROWDED RACE SAID, AN INCREDIBLY CROWDED RACE WITH FIVE PARTIES LIKELY TO WIN
[00:28:43] WITH FIVE PARTIES LIKELY TO WIN SEATS IN THIS ELECTION.
[00:28:45] SEATS IN THIS ELECTION. YOU HAVE AT THE FRONT RUNNERS OF
[00:28:47] YOU HAVE AT THE FRONT RUNNERS OF THIS ALL THE P.Q. WITH NO MORE
[00:28:50] THIS ALL THE P.Q. WITH NO MORE THAN 30% IN THE POLLS. THAN 30% IN THE POLLS. REALLY CAPITALIZING ON THE
[00:28:53] REALLY CAPITALIZING ON THE STRONG DESIRE FROM A LOT OF STRONG DESIRE FROM A LOT OF QUEBEC VOTERS TO SEE CHANGE.
[00:28:57] QUEBEC VOTERS TO SEE CHANGE. THE PARTY'S LEADER PROMISING
[00:29:02] THE PARTY'S LEADER PROMISING FISCAL REFORM, PROTECTION OF THE
[00:29:05] FISCAL REFORM, PROTECTION OF THE FRENCH LANGUAGE ALSO THIRD
[00:29:06] FRENCH LANGUAGE ALSO THIRD REFERENDUM ON QUEBEC'S
[00:29:10] REFERENDUM ON QUEBEC'S SOVEREIGNTY. SOVEREIGNTY. DESPITE STRONG OPPOSITION IN
[00:29:12] DESPITE STRONG OPPOSITION IN QUEBEC, YOU HAVE ABOUT 70% OF QUEBEC, YOU HAVE ABOUT 70% OF QUEBECERS WHO DON'T WANT TO SEE
[00:29:16] QUEBECERS WHO DON'T WANT TO SEE ANOTHER REFERENDUM.
[00:29:17] ANOTHER REFERENDUM. A LOT OF PEOPLE WILLING TO LOOK
[00:29:20] A LOT OF PEOPLE WILLING TO LOOK PAST THAT CHANGE.
[00:29:23] PAST THAT CHANGE. THE C.A.Q. HAS BEEN IN THE C.A.Q. HAS BEEN IN GOVERNMENT IN THE PROVINCE FOR
[00:29:26] GOVERNMENT IN THE PROVINCE FOR THE PAST EIGHT YEARS.
[00:29:28] THE PAST EIGHT YEARS. THE PARTY'S CURRENT LEADER HAS
[00:29:31] THE PARTY'S CURRENT LEADER HAS STRUGGLED TO DISTANCE HERSELF STRUGGLED TO DISTANCE HERSELF FROM HOW DEEPLY POLITICALLY
[00:29:34] FROM HOW DEEPLY POLITICALLY UNPOPULAR THAT PARTY BECAME,
[00:29:36] UNPOPULAR THAT PARTY BECAME, ESPECIALLY TOWARDS THE END OF
[00:29:40] ESPECIALLY TOWARDS THE END OF FORMER PREMIER FRANCOIS LEGAULT
[00:29:46] FORMER PREMIER FRANCOIS LEGAULT TENURE. TENURE. WE SAW THINGS LIKE THE PARTY
[00:29:49] WE SAW THINGS LIKE THE PARTY REMOVING -- NOT PUTTING LOGO ON REMOVING -- NOT PUTTING LOGO ON CAMPAIGN SIGNS.
[00:29:53] CAMPAIGN SIGNS. TRYING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO
[00:29:54] TRYING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO DISTANCE ITSELF AND REBRAND.
[00:29:57] DISTANCE ITSELF AND REBRAND. THAT RANT REALLY GOTTEN -- BUT THAT RANT REALLY GOTTEN -- BUT THAT HASN'T GOTTEN ACROSS.
[00:30:01] THAT HASN'T GOTTEN ACROSS. WE HAVE THE LIBERAL PARTY OF WE HAVE THE LIBERAL PARTY OF QUEBEC TRYING TO POSITION ITSELF
[00:30:05] QUEBEC TRYING TO POSITION ITSELF AS THE SOLELY FEDERALIST PARTY AS THE SOLELY FEDERALIST PARTY IN THIS RACE.
[00:30:08] IN THIS RACE. THEY USE THE TRADE WAR AS THE
[00:30:11] THEY USE THE TRADE WAR AS THE WAY TO DRAW IN VOTERS WHO WANT WAY TO DRAW IN VOTERS WHO WANT STRONGER COLLABORATION WITH
[00:30:15] STRONGER COLLABORATION WITH CANADA. CANADA. YOU HAVE TWO SMALLER PARTIES YOU HAVE TWO SMALLER PARTIES THAT ARE CONTENDERS THAT
[00:30:19] THAT ARE CONTENDERS THAT CONSERVATIVE PARTY WHICH IS CONSERVATIVE PARTY WHICH IS COMPETITIVE IN AROUND QUEBEC
[00:30:22] COMPETITIVE IN AROUND QUEBEC CITY. CITY. LEFT-LEANING STUDY WHICH IS
[00:30:25] LEFT-LEANING STUDY WHICH IS COMPETITIVE IN A HAND FULL OF COMPETITIVE IN A HAND FULL OF URBAN RIDINGS.
[00:30:29] URBAN RIDINGS. ALL THOSE PARTIES COMPETING WHAT ALL THOSE PARTIES COMPETING WHAT ARE GOING TO BE A NUMBER OF VERY
[00:30:32] ARE GOING TO BE A NUMBER OF VERY CLOSE RACES. CLOSE RACES. >> Linda: THE FINAL PUSH IS ON >> Linda: THE FINAL PUSH IS ON FOR SURE.
[00:30:36] FOR SURE. THE LAST DAY OF THE CAMPAIGN. THE LAST DAY OF THE CAMPAIGN. WHAT ARE THE LEADERS UP TO
[00:30:40] WHAT ARE THE LEADERS UP TO TODAY? TODAY? >> Reporter: THERE'S A LOT WE >> Reporter: THERE'S A LOT WE CAN READ INTO AS FAR AS WHERE
[00:30:44] CAN READ INTO AS FAR AS WHERE THE LEADERS ARE TODAY. THE LEADERS ARE TODAY. YOU LOOK AT THE P.Q. YOU LOOK AT THE P.Q. THEY'VE.
[00:30:47] THEY'VE. CRISSCROSSING THE PROVINCE ON CRISSCROSSING THE PROVINCE ON THIS ALL OUT BLITZ HOPING THAT
[00:30:50] THIS ALL OUT BLITZ HOPING THAT EVEN WITH 30% OF THE VOTE JUST EVEN WITH 30% OF THE VOTE JUST BASED ON WHAT THE POLLS ARE
[00:30:53] BASED ON WHAT THE POLLS ARE SHOWING, THAT THEY CAN STILL SHOWING, THAT THEY CAN STILL MANAGE TO WIN A MAJORITY
[00:30:57] MANAGE TO WIN A MAJORITY GOVERNMENT. GOVERNMENT. THEY'RE ON THAT ALL OUT BLITZ THEY'RE ON THAT ALL OUT BLITZ RIGHT NOW.
[00:31:01] RIGHT NOW. CAMPAIGNING TODAY IN AROUND